To me, it sounds like there's some kind of plastic sheen between the mic and the epi--the contours are kind of dulled. When the Blackheart is on, it's like that sheen has been lifted away and you can hear what's really there.
I just put a Celestion Blue in an Epi cab, sounds great. Yeah that Leslie G27 is looking good and I am getting one. I think they both sound poor, kid of ratty, but that could be the amp used. The Blackheart has a hole in the mids and the Epi fills that hole but is missing the highs and lows of the blackheart. It sounds like they were voiced for different things. The Epi more for a classic rock sound and the Blackheart for Metal. I didn't like either.
The Blackheart does not work well for anything harder than Led Zepplin. The BH Eminence is designed with tight bass, strong mid and high's. I had to load 1 cab with a Celestion G12H Anniv. to get low end.
After doing research, ive come to the conclusion that it is a now discontinued eminence Stonehenge in the blackheart.
ZZOUNDS website says it is 12 inches, Red Framed, British voiced, 1.75" Voice Coiled, with a 38oz magnet and 75 watts handling. Those specs EVEN the COLOR match up to the stonehenge PERFECTLY. It makes sense, eminence discontinued the speaker, had a ton left over, so hey, lets slap em into these cabs!
New BH Cabs don't use the LadyLuck speakers and don't sound as good to my ears anymore. The LL speaker definitely has less coloration,warmer and smoother breakup, and superior clean tone. As for this test I may be wrong but i think the Epi has open back and the BH closed? which would account for some difference as well. Regardless a little equalization change and the epi sounds more scooped like the BH. BTW the LL speaker is designed to directly let your guitars tone shine...not the speakers.
I like the blackheart because it's a little cleaner and you can always tone it down . it would be a little more tricky to brighten the warmer epi cab. atleast thats my theory.. heh I bet they would sound great together!
I like them both for different reasons. Epi is a bit more classic rock. Blackheart is a bit more Metal sounding. If I had to choose, I would take both.
Hey man, thanks for all these gear videos. Yoy're doing a great sirvice to all of us. I was just thinking of getting the epiphone cab and putiong a different speaker in it, the plywood construction is very good for the price.
Well its hard to say unless I have more info. Were you using single coil or humbuckers. Also, if this WAS the neck PU that you were using, I'd say that the Epi was the more appropriate response, because the blackheart is way too mid and high for a neck PU. But if it was the bridge PU, then the Blackheart was perfect, and the EPI was way too dark. So lmsjr, was it a neck or bridge PU in this experiment, and was it singleC or humB. Thanks in advance.
With some basic hand power tools. A sheet of birch ply and whatever speaker(s) combination you wanted you could make your own cabs in a weekend. Get a book on upholstery from your library for the tolex. The grill cloth is about the only hard to get item. If you're not going to gig with these cabs you're overspending for pressboard boxes.
Um ... dunno, but you are probably right. They have the same designer. Not sure about the same factory, but it wouldn't suprise me. Thanks for viewing!
perfect test, thanks, im actually looking for a cab for my tiny terror and these are the top 2 on my list.
Yeah, they have different sound character, im also leaning to the Epi one, because of its smoothness, but the backheart clarity is also very tempting, so ...
Thank you!! Agreed - very subjective. Every day I listen, I like the other ... which means, you should all buy both of em ;-)
Seriously though ... I will tell you this. When I bought both, they were priced at $99, free shipping. NOT ANY LONGER FOLKS - these are tough to come by now. Remember, as demand goes up, so does price :-) Take care all, and again, thanks for viewing!
Excellent comparison video.Thanks for all you do,man its great.For me,I prefer the Blackheart cab.Its definitely what i'm getting for my new Blackheart B5H little giant head.I dig these Blackhearts! They sound great,and look great doing their thing.
Totally agree. Plus, you're listening to an Orange amp, which is going to sound better through what appears to be, a bit thicker birch. Like a Marshall cab(low end), vs, a Fender.
yeah, all this testing is confusing me. lmsjr, is it too much to ask to try this swapping of the epi/blackheart heads with the each other's cabs? You don't need to post it, just tell me which one is better. Nice job on all these videos.
The Blackheart, definitely!
humbuckersNcoke 2 years ago
the epi is really warm and the blackheart is more brigth
I prefer the blackheart
Unholyhector 2 years ago
i like the blackheart better
ruffles272 2 years ago
Blackheart wins hands down IMHO.
To me, it sounds like there's some kind of plastic sheen between the mic and the epi--the contours are kind of dulled. When the Blackheart is on, it's like that sheen has been lifted away and you can hear what's really there.
superduperlouber 2 years ago
man ur really into the mini heads and stacks huh?
ruffles272 2 years ago
guilty as charged :-) ... yes I am. Check out my new videos ... lots more, better quality. Thanks for tuning in!
lmsjr 2 years ago
The Blackheart sounds like it would cut through the mix way better than the Epi. The Epi sounds a little too scooped for my taste.
OnlyVees 3 years ago
Anyone answer please. will Lady lucks sound any good for hard rock/metal?
swishitjoey 3 years ago
LadyLuck for classic rock (think greenback sounding). Buy a blackheart cab for a rock sound (think G12T75)
lmsjr 3 years ago
What are some good 4X12 cabs (for metal) for around $250 then??
swishitjoey 3 years ago
Bugera 4x12
lmsjr 3 years ago
cool, thanks a lot.
swishitjoey 3 years ago
the blackheart one is closed back too, isn't it?
005davidragon 3 years ago
I think the VJ Cab sounds a little dampened and muffled.
smoss469 3 years ago
I like the Epiphone cab far better, sounds darker & more vintage.
frontroomautos 3 years ago
I just put a Celestion Blue in an Epi cab, sounds great. Yeah that Leslie G27 is looking good and I am getting one. I think they both sound poor, kid of ratty, but that could be the amp used. The Blackheart has a hole in the mids and the Epi fills that hole but is missing the highs and lows of the blackheart. It sounds like they were voiced for different things. The Epi more for a classic rock sound and the Blackheart for Metal. I didn't like either.
bigdaddyblueman1957 3 years ago
The Blackheart does not work well for anything harder than Led Zepplin. The BH Eminence is designed with tight bass, strong mid and high's. I had to load 1 cab with a Celestion G12H Anniv. to get low end.
LesPaulXXX 3 years ago
neither. the leslie g27.
unfortunately, i can't afford the g27, so i'd have to choose epiphone ;)
005davidragon 3 years ago
After doing research, ive come to the conclusion that it is a now discontinued eminence Stonehenge in the blackheart.
ZZOUNDS website says it is 12 inches, Red Framed, British voiced, 1.75" Voice Coiled, with a 38oz magnet and 75 watts handling. Those specs EVEN the COLOR match up to the stonehenge PERFECTLY. It makes sense, eminence discontinued the speaker, had a ton left over, so hey, lets slap em into these cabs!
t2mike2 3 years ago
Epi. The BlackhHeart sounds "Blech!".
Slayer166 3 years ago
New BH Cabs don't use the LadyLuck speakers and don't sound as good to my ears anymore. The LL speaker definitely has less coloration,warmer and smoother breakup, and superior clean tone. As for this test I may be wrong but i think the Epi has open back and the BH closed? which would account for some difference as well. Regardless a little equalization change and the epi sounds more scooped like the BH. BTW the LL speaker is designed to directly let your guitars tone shine...not the speakers.
RFAWarchild 3 years ago
definite answer: Epi!
amarr1 3 years ago
I like the blackheart because it's a little cleaner and you can always tone it down . it would be a little more tricky to brighten the warmer epi cab. atleast thats my theory.. heh I bet they would sound great together!
stymye 3 years ago
I like them both for different reasons. Epi is a bit more classic rock. Blackheart is a bit more Metal sounding. If I had to choose, I would take both.
hueseph 3 years ago
Hey man, thanks for all these gear videos. Yoy're doing a great sirvice to all of us. I was just thinking of getting the epiphone cab and putiong a different speaker in it, the plywood construction is very good for the price.
BTW, I think the BlackHeart has the better tone.
Thanks again,
Juda
Juda0326 3 years ago
black heart for me. I've got a Veteran 30 and Green Beret to try out in my epi cab. I'll demo it soon.
PLUMBdogg 3 years ago
blackheart more bite epip more mid? i think i like the blackheeart better more defintion
feartheflanger 3 years ago
Definitely the Blackheart. Which head are you using?
quacktron 3 years ago
epiphone much more deeper, the blackie is much more bare bones and coarse, i'm guessing the lady lucks are good for cleans
philphie 3 years ago
I hate to say it, but I like the Epi better. Has a very nice Brian Mayesque sound. Great video comparison. Thanks!
Riggleman81 3 years ago
epi
amarr1 3 years ago
i like the black heart
seabolt23 3 years ago
Epi cab for me too. Sounds deeper and richer. My 2 centavos
frpax 3 years ago
From the video, the epi cab sounded too nasal for me. The blackheart is tighter and crisper. I like the blackheart better.
Siore 3 years ago
Well its hard to say unless I have more info. Were you using single coil or humbuckers. Also, if this WAS the neck PU that you were using, I'd say that the Epi was the more appropriate response, because the blackheart is way too mid and high for a neck PU. But if it was the bridge PU, then the Blackheart was perfect, and the EPI was way too dark. So lmsjr, was it a neck or bridge PU in this experiment, and was it singleC or humB. Thanks in advance.
strangebrutoo 3 years ago
Damn, what good test. Cheers!
fishnose1 3 years ago
With some basic hand power tools. A sheet of birch ply and whatever speaker(s) combination you wanted you could make your own cabs in a weekend. Get a book on upholstery from your library for the tolex. The grill cloth is about the only hard to get item. If you're not going to gig with these cabs you're overspending for pressboard boxes.
adhociowa 3 years ago
i think they're made in the same factory
yu0004ng 3 years ago
Um ... dunno, but you are probably right. They have the same designer. Not sure about the same factory, but it wouldn't suprise me. Thanks for viewing!
lmsjr 3 years ago
the cabs or the speakers?
philphie 3 years ago
speakers
yu0004ng 3 years ago
perfect test, thanks, im actually looking for a cab for my tiny terror and these are the top 2 on my list.
Yeah, they have different sound character, im also leaning to the Epi one, because of its smoothness, but the backheart clarity is also very tempting, so ...
alexandrenotebook 3 years ago
BTW, I'm leaning more on the Epi cab. :)
johnnybluesy 3 years ago
Would've been nice if the cleans were tested, too. But nonetheless a great review!
johnnybluesy 3 years ago
epi cab
amarr1 3 years ago
I liked the Blackheart, the epiphone sounded too generic and plain.
Muragle 3 years ago
id go for blackheart also. and yes that is a cool ass guitar :D
wawawa88 3 years ago
Great video!!! I say it's subjective and a matter of taste. The Blackheart was more articulate, but the Epi had a nice warm sound.
GossamerReverb 4 years ago
Thank you!! Agreed - very subjective. Every day I listen, I like the other ... which means, you should all buy both of em ;-)
Seriously though ... I will tell you this. When I bought both, they were priced at $99, free shipping. NOT ANY LONGER FOLKS - these are tough to come by now. Remember, as demand goes up, so does price :-) Take care all, and again, thanks for viewing!
lmsjr 4 years ago
Excellent comparison video.Thanks for all you do,man its great.For me,I prefer the Blackheart cab.Its definitely what i'm getting for my new Blackheart B5H little giant head.I dig these Blackhearts! They sound great,and look great doing their thing.
Tedzomplin 4 years ago
My pleasure. Thanks for viewing.
lmsjr 4 years ago
The Blackheart sounded like it had more clearly defined highs.
Thanks for posting this!
sozsei 4 years ago
You are welcome!
lmsjr 4 years ago
blackheart :D
haharoadkillking 4 years ago
i like the blackheart better, but i like the epi valve jr head better than the blackheart..maybe i'll get an epi head and a blackheart cab lol
GNRjungle87 4 years ago
Totally agree. Plus, you're listening to an Orange amp, which is going to sound better through what appears to be, a bit thicker birch. Like a Marshall cab(low end), vs, a Fender.
cum2roll 4 years ago
yeah, all this testing is confusing me. lmsjr, is it too much to ask to try this swapping of the epi/blackheart heads with the each other's cabs? You don't need to post it, just tell me which one is better. Nice job on all these videos.
chinolam 4 years ago
Blackheart has more presence.
Fahrenheit501 4 years ago
EVJ have better tone, but Blackheart have more volume.
Jestersage 4 years ago
blackheart piss in the face of the epiphone
walter728 4 years ago
blackheart hands down...
verticalslice 4 years ago