Another option is a pistol caliber carbine with subsonic rounds, like .45 or 9mm in 147 gr. Plenty of stopping power in most instances and won't blow your eardrums out in the enclosed space of a home.
@chubbs636 Check out some ballistics gelatin tests. Even cheap fmj .223 causes a greater wound than .45acp.. Hollow point, Ballistic tip, and Open Tip Match .223 are even more affective at destroying tissue and yet less likely than HP pistol ammunition to over penetrate.
5.56 penetrates walls worse then 9mm or 40cal. I think a 5.56 or 300 blackout make an excellent HD weapon. Here is my problem with your *average* gun owner using a, for example, AR15 for HD. The AR15 uses a floating firing pin and the pin slams into the primer when you load the weapon, making loading it in your house a "potentionally" iffy idea (yes, I know its highly unlikely to be a problem). In fact, I just won't leave my rifle with one in the chamber in my house because of that.
@bp968 That said, I think 5.56 is an excellent HD round, and if you don't mind taking the extra second to charge the weapon, then a *good* ar15 makes an excellent HD weapon. Keep in mind though that the concussion blast from a 5.56/223 leaving a 16" or 18" barrel is enough to permanently harm your hearing. Still, it *is* much easier to use a shoulder weapon then a pistol.
@timmyjunior1 shit that made no sense -_- "it can not even come close to penetrating 4 walls and a skull it can't even go through what 1 inch of concrete"
@MrDip02 4 inch walls sometimes consist if 1/2" of drywall, a little fiberglass insulation, and a 1/2" inch thick board, and aluminum siding. A .223 could go through that with no problem. I once saw a house where someone had blown a hole the size of a baseball through an exterior wall using a shotgun with bird shot.
@IndianaJesusfreak you're comparing a .12 gauge to a .223 a .223 is basically a hollow point it mushrooms out ALOT earlier and faster than a standard round and people who use guns for home defense don't really reload there ammunition so there stuck with the "hollow point" bullet that the commerical ammunition offers
don'r risk over-penetration. Grab a 12 gauge and load it up with the appropriate ammo. If you have kids in the house, use bird shot. If its just you then some 00 buck will do the trick. Like timmyjunior1 said, a rifle is just too risky in an urban environment.
Carbines are not sub machine guns. A carbine is just a short-barreled rifle.
That being said, there's no way I'd use a rifle for home defense. IMO the best home defense weapon is a shotgun. That is, if you're handy with one. If not, stick to a pistol.
better hope you dont kill your neighbors. fmj's can pierce a body and several layers of sheet rock, and even some hollow points have penetration capabilities that will surprise you
I agree with your school of thought. Do you feel that the .223 will overpenetrate and hit a family member. I defintily feel that the M1 carbine will work.
Tests have proven that .223 penetrates less than 9mm and other similar pistol rounds. The .223 cartridge is bad for fragmenting resulting in less penetration.
@leadleed, I have plenty of firearms to choose from but home defense, can't beat the 12 ga.. If your planning on a firefight, yea, my ar or mini, or colt 1911 will do fine, but in home defense, two shots are about all it will take, the sound of a 12 pump action will strike fear in the heart of anyone inside my house
@trickykwoo2 or give him a split second to bring his knife down on your or pull his trigger. You dont use a pump shotgun to scare someone, you use it to shoot someone.
@AirsoftSeattleReveiw 5.56mm is a faster, lighter constructed round, and doesn't do as well against intermediate barriers as well constructed service pistol JHP ammo.
It's effectively a "free lunch" in that you get more power, and less over penetration with a 5.56mm
A woman once asked a man "sir, I see you are wearing a pistol around your waste are you expecting trouble?" The man replied "no maam, if I was expecting trouble I would have brought my rifle."
I have a nice middle ground between a pistol and a long gun; A Mare's Leg firing a .357 Magnum +P Hollow Point. I DARE you to try and break into my house in the middle of the night!
For home defense, nothing beats a shotgun, don't get me wrong, I like handguns and rifles a lot, but a barrel big enough to put your thumb in is intimidating in it's self, if you have a pump shotgun, well that racking sound alone will send shivers up a thiefs yellow bellied spine. Plus the choices of shot type.
@trickykwoo2 while i like a good 12 ga for home defense, i prefer the capacity of a carbine. 20 or 30 rds of .223 vs 6-8 12 ga shells? hell, even a short barrelled lever gun in a pistol cartridge makes a damn fine HD gun
FiveTwoSevenTHR, if your familys life is worth your ego, go ahead, I know what my test results and years of experience have shown. You do what you want, I'll do what I want.
@timmyjunior1 for home defense, you would use hollowpoint ammo. that way there is no risk of over-penetration. at home, i use hornady critical defense ammo for my sks and my pistol.
@timmyjunior1 that's why ammunition companies constantly test their products. and that is why you need to choose the correct ammo for self/home defense.
@timmyjunior1 yea, it's definitely apples and oranges. i initially wanted a shotgun just for the home. but, i felt more comfortable with my updated sks and pistol since i use those quite a bit on the range.
@timmyjunior1 You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. A .223 Remington round tends to penetrate LESS building materials than 9mm or .45 JHPs or 12ga Buckshot.
If anything there is less worry of overpenetration when using a rifle chambered in .223 Remington for home defense.
wrong - .223 has a tendency to penetrate fewer interior walls than other common self defense rounds. 9mm .40 cal, .45, 12 gauge. this is a function of velocity and the lighter weight of the bullet. 55 grain FMJ usually self destruct when they try to penetrate 2-4 sheets of drywall. The 45 grain hollow point I prefer for home defense does 3800 FPS and has a light jacket - they frag and stop in 2-3 sheets of drywall (I've tested this on a range.)
by comparison a 115 grain 9mm JHP +P round (I use corbon ammo) doing 1300 FPS will plow through 6 or more sheets of drywall. .45 and 12 gauge 00 buck pellets do the same. this is why many police tac units are now running .223 rifles in favor of 9mm Sub machine guns.
@timmyjunior1 a .223 has a hard time penetrating even walls let alone a skull a wall and then go through another wall and then go through another skull
I will start by stating over 1/2 of the homes in the nation are constructed in a framed manner with either a stucco system out west or siding for the midwest and east. A .223 could easily pentrate a body and thats assuming you dont miss the person, a wall an additional wall and into another body.
@MrDip02 If your assuming in a masonary block wall that it could not penetrate only a small portion of the blocks are grouted(filled with concrete) usually the corners and around doors and windows.
Then lets talk about windows it could enter/exit through a window as well, the bottom line why risk it, you are responsible for every round you put downrange. The benefit are not even close to the downsides for me.
just a word of advice, never use a rifle for home defense unless you live out in the country and dont have any nearby neighbors. handgun rounds by themselves could end up in your neighbors house, a rifle round almost definitely will if their house is in its path. ill start using my ar-15 for home defense when i move up into the mountains in colorado, but until then im using my glock 23 with gold dots.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR i know that. but once it passes through a person and then my outerwall it will have lost most of its energy. im aware that i could miss, and im aware that it could still reach a neighboring house, but the point is theres less chance than with a rifle.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR thats exactly my point. theres plenty of people who would use their AK, their M1A, or even an AR in 6.8 for home defense which would be incredibly dangerous and people need to be aware of that. the reason i dont use my AR-15 for home defense is because i currently live in california and my AR has a bullet button on it which makes it extremely ineffective in any form of combat.
@1cme1 I can understand what you mean but It's extremely rare for any conflict in the civilian world to shoot more that 4 rounds. Each 5.56 is the same power as a .44 magnum. One or two rounds would stop most people.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR my glock 23 for now with 180gr. gold dots and two spare magazines. or if i for some reason know a threat could be coming (examples being stalkers, one of my idiot brothers getting in a feud with another gang, etc) ill keep my .12 guage shotgun out loaded with buckshot.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR i keep it in the safe so i dont give a burglar immediate access to a free fully loaded shotgun if someone breaks in while im not home.
@1cme1 That's understandable. I keep my shotgun out and loaded but my handgun locked up when I'm not home. I live in New Hampshire and we have the lowest crime rate so I don't feel too bad about it. I'll eventually get a wall mounted shotgun lock to secure it when I'm not home.
@SupremeAmerican I can't tell if you're trolling or just and idiot. The High Road is probably the best forum you can find for guns. Why don't you join and participate and see for yourself.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR Ive checked it out plenty of times. Most of them are dellusional adults who got rejected by the cops or military and display severe mental disorders and obsessions over guns, and extremely egotistical.
@SupremeAmerican do you have significant evidence to prove your statement? or do YOU just feel they are mentaly ill because YOU are scared of guns? stop living in la la land.
@SupremeAmerican Because you made claims that just don't make sense at all. You could be asking for advice on your new High Point and they would give it to you with encouragement. Come in with your new few thousand dollar 1911 and they'll do the same. Your claims do not match what THR is and I've been a member for over two years. Alot of them are both in the military, Law enforcement or retired from those two thing.
@SupremeAmerican Chances are if someone claims to be in special forces, they are lying. Saw someone like that once but most people weren't in combat or something that could be bragged about. If they brag about it in nearly every post then they weren't. I'm not sure why you think that anyway, it's not hard to get in the military.
@SupremeAmerican Gun forums have a ton of idiots but youtube has just as many, 70% of shooters are retards who can't shoot for shit and just parrot the same info their Grand Papa told them that he learned from a fake former Navy Seal who was selling candy bars at a local gun show.
@cskimber1911 I ran out of characters to use before I could say, at those close ranges, the shot is still in the shotcup, not scattering about yet, one semisolid mass, I also use a shotcup with either no slits or slit only half way down sitting on top of a healthy charge of WST powder. It takes awhile for the cup to separate.
@cskimber1911, we will have to agree to disagree, I have shot enough to know the shot does not open into anykind of pattern at ranges indoors, usually 10-15 ft or less, and an oz. of lead stacked shot will do just fine, I would use nothing larger than no.5 buckshot. I've done tests myself, I can't argue with a three inch intrance wound. I"m not saying anything bad about the cal., it's my fav. but a .45 is the worst offender at over penatration in sheet rock, more so than a .223,
@trickykwoo2 No sir, bird shot does not have the cross sectional density to penetrate the chest cavity and reach the vitals. Go to a website called theboxotruth and you will find that the best load for home defense if you're worried about over penetrations is #1 Buckshot out of a 12 ga. Then after that, is a light rifle round, like the 5.56. It's a very common misconception that just because you're firing it out of a shotgun it will kill a bad guy. This is not the case.
@trickykwoo2 Yeah I agree! It only hurts the badguy and has trouble killing someone even if they are shot in the face at point blank! Birdshot will still travel through walls. If it can penetrate flesh, it can rip through drywall. I'll keep my 12 gauge slugs and you can keep the fantasies.
Over-penetration should be a concern for anyone using a rifle, or handgun. Even a .380 will shoot clean thru a regular wall. I would not recommend either a rifle or pistol for home defense for anyone living in a neighborhood. Even a shotgun will blow thru a wall. Thing to use would be 12gauge pump stoked with 4buck. That's my modest opinion, anyway.
ruger mini 14 is on my wish list,however for someone who has anyone living beside them,or children in the home this would concern me,i went for the 9mm carbine and hornady custom hollow points,that way the only death is of someone deserving of it and no accidents
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I'd rather have a threaded barrel that I can put a flash hider of my choice so I can shoot surplus ammo or whichever ammo and not have a huge fireball. That is one reason I like carbines, I can mask the flash signature. How effective is the flash hider on the minis that have them?
inside the house, hand gun all the way. #1. turning corners will expose more of your body to return fire if using a carbine where as you can round a corner with the hand gun and little body exposure. #2 cheap 223 rounds will over penatrate possible hit your own family members while not stopping the target! you want target dead not wounded with only one story to tell the cops, yours!! 40cal-45cal up close! 12ga shotgun in the yard, carbine at 30+ yds.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I agree but its not about power only in home defence. 5.56 and 44 mag are powerful yes, but if you were standing 6ft behind the human target I was going to shoot which should I use. FMJ 5.56 that will go clean through with little to no break up of the bullet, or a hollow point 44-45 that will stay in the target. don't forget 5.56 needs to reach a certain speed for it to break up when it hits a human. 5.56 out of a short barrel carbine is slow, bullet remains whole most times
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I would say there is alot going on with different bullets. but I can say with fact that a 5.56 with good shot placement with go clean through a deer at 100 yds. I've done it!! tracked deer another 60-70 yds and found it. once cleaned I saw it went through both lungs and blow out a rib on exit. now maybe at greater distance yes the penetration is less but in a room whatever you shoot is getting a clean through hole.
I love the Mini 14 and wouldn't hesitate to use it as a home defense gun. Not for a second... I carried an AR .223 in Vietnam for a year and felt very comfortable with it. I am just as comfortable with the Mini. I have killed a lot of game and farm animals with the Mini 14 and I know what it is capable of doing. With the right selection of ammunition it is more than you need for self defense or survival. It is plenty of gun. That's the way I see it. :0)
@controversyking a weapons light should be added to any home defense weapon. A shotgun with 7 or 8 shot will stop a bad guy in your home without over penetration and is easier to shoot under stress than a pistol. I think a pistol should be an addition to a shotgun or rifle defense system because 2 guns are always better than one should 1 fail.
Shotguns over penetrate worse than rifles assuming 1. you're shooting shot larger than bird shot (which you should be if you're shooting in self-defense at anything greater than contact distance...at least #1 Buck is recommended) and 2. you're using a fragmenting rifle round, such as a ballistic tip or hollow point. I wouldn't necessarily recommend a .308 but given the right ammo it's not as much of a liability as some make it seem. If something will penetrate flesh, it will penetrate drywall.
It is not my primary home defense weapon, but I have this same Mini Tactical and it easily shoots sub 2" groups at 100. That is perfectly acceptable for something that is built like a tank,, has a short(er) barrel and will fire any kind of ammo you want to feed it. Plus, my shot groups are barely 1" when I load my own rounds. I love it, and didn't pay anywhere near $800 new....somebody got robbed.
Thanks for the video. It's an interesting point about how far the handgun is sticking out when you're shooting it. Lots more energy and easier for most folks to control with the rifle. My house-gun is a rifle, too. Lever 44.
Dan that's an awesome rifle. I'm a big fan of the M-14 and this just looks like a modernized, shortened version...kinda similar to the M-14 scout. As far as home defense, perhaps if your home is a ranch or another rural setting. Other than that I think it's a bit too powerful for urban areas.
I agree a shot gun is very effective.You dont even need to use it just shout through the door I have a gun then RACK the shotgun hard they will hear it and more than likely take off.If not and they continue to try to enter the home then theres nothing like some 00 buck if you live in an apartment and are afraid of over penetration then switch to heavy bird shot for the first 2-3 shells then 00 buck for the last 2-3 shells that way if the bird shot fails to stop them the 00 buck will do the job.
home defense? stick with a short-barreled shotgun or pistol or like others have already stated, the round WILL go through an intruder then through the drywall then through the outside wall then into the house nextdoor then through their drywall and so forth and so on.....3000+or- fps is a bit much for home defense.
For home defense in "the country" would find use for a 5.56 carbine but in an urban or suburban environment it has way too much penetration and would endanger neighbors were you to need to defend your life. In those circumstances a 20 ga. shotgun with #3 or #4 buckshot would be preferable. My defensive carbine is a "youth model" 20 ga. when I am at my home and an SKS "paratrooper when I am at "the farm." If you need more than 10 rounds you need to improve your shooting skills.
@BALJIT147 Not just stupid, but really stupid. The main disadvantage to a .223 carbine for home defense is that it'll punch right through the wall and continue on (Into the next room where your kid is sleeping or into the next house?). If you want something bigger than a pistol for home defense, then choose a shotgun with 00 (8mm) or 000 (9mm) buckshot. The latter will give you six 9mm pellets with every trigger pull, increasing your chances of hitting the intruder, and buckshot stops at walls.
@Ljungman42 you must be a REALLY crappy shot, the Mini14 is a fantastic, uber reliable rifle....period. There are many real world comparisons out there run by industry professionals(check out Nutnfancy on you tube) that prove the Mini is just as as accurate if not more so than the AR or AK but also unbelievably reliable, you can pour dirt into the action, still fires.It is too much for in home defense in most scenarios, but is perfect for Zombies on your lawn or occupying Wall Street.
@slamskie1 Really? Your the only one who thinks so. Lets face it, the Mini-14 has a bad rep that is WELL deserved. I haven't tried the new "target model" but I don't see me EVER buying another Mini. I lost my shirt on the last one when I FINALLY sold it.
@Ljungman42 I can send you MANY reviews by true industry field testers and military personal but I am not sure you would care, it sounds like you had a bad experience so you have written the rifle off, I can't believe you lost your shirt on it any I ever see are close to retail used. I bought my first Mini from a Army Ranger friend, he had 3 and I talked him out of one of them. He said he would rely on his Mini long before his AR as far as the "gonna shoot" not matter what gun.
@Ljungman42 a good AR is superior in some ways but can be picky and problematic in others. I am not suggesting the Mini is a competition target rifle but neither are most AR's. Also with the new stock options out there, especially the new Archangel Sparta stock the Mini is fully capable of any roll the AR is. The new Tactical version of the Mini has been adopted by police forces both for it's value and reliability.
@Ljungman42 And last but not least Ruger has been producing the Mini14 for 37 years and have sold a tremendous number of them, if it was really just a junk gun that would never happen. I by no means think the Mini is the greatest rifle out there, by the same token it does not deserve the brow beating you are giving it, BUT this is America and we can voice our opinions all we want.
@slamskie1 It's not just my experiences with the rifle, it's the fact that many people told me what this rifle was like and I refused to believe them untill I owned one.
It "could" be a nice rifle if it was priced right. THAT'S the killer. My SKS-D and the Mini-14 both shot about the same when it comes to groupings. The only difference was the SKS-D was $200 new and the Mini-14 was $800. The SKS gives you what you paied for, the Mini robbs you blind.
@Ljungman42 wtf are you talking about? useless piece of junk? anyone that says any gun is a useless piece of junk should have there head examined. no gun use useless.
223 for home defense what about other people in the house 9mm slower less chance of threw an threw compard to the 223.. threw an threw meening intruders or walls....
I have to say i have lived in both countries, and must say i felt safer in England than the States, so i understand the feeling for needing a gun to defend yourself and your family. Its the American way, and it's our right.
Although a long gun is almost the same length as a handgun stance fully extended, in a self defense scenario you may have only one hand free, or you might have to shoot from an awkward position. Can't do it with a long gun. Anyone who says you have almost the same maneuverability with a long gun is compensating for something. And .223 is not overkill, heck I use a 50 BMG rifle and a 600 nitro express handgun for my home protection. Lol
talk about overkill for home defense (outside of zombie situations), .223 will probably over penetrate and make you neighborhoods really really made. If you into long gun, use a shotgun; if you can't pump use a semi-auto shotgun and use buckshot not slugs.
@xingfenzhen I agree. A guy in my old neighborhood was cleaning/messing with his rifle and accidentally fired a round. The round went through the wall of his house and penetrated into the garage of his neighbor. In a home defense scenario where you're probably going to be shooting sporadically, you don't want rounds ending up in your neighbors house. Shotguns are hands down, the best for home defense.
A Mini 14 is definitely not for bears. Use the 12 gauge with some hard cast Brenneke Slugs as other slugs will be too soft and you want major penetration. If you could happen to score some Frag-12, armor piercing variety, rounds for it instead, even better. :-)
This guy is so true. People has the misbelief that handguns are more manoeuverable and fast than shoulder weapons. I can raise my carbine on shoulder as fast as i raise a gun. And for any other aspect I would go shoulder weapon anytime.
The only pros handguns have is concealability (good for gangsters not homedefense) and weight (dont care since you hold your rifle both hands or in the back).
Is that a trade off for faster, more accurate and stable shooting, and more stopping power? Hell no!
To be fair though, if a bear is charging at you, you're fucked. It's just to what degree of fucked is the question, whether it's just shitting your pants or ending up bear shit. :(
@bigpoppa1951 - a .223 is not really a bear rifle. If you need a rifle for bears, get a bigger one.
A 12 or 20 guage shotgun, on the other hand, is usually considered perfect for defense from bears, if you load slugs. Great big slugs make great big holes. If your only reason for getting a rifle is to protect yourself from bears, forget it. Just load your shotgun with slugs.
I agree length isn't an issue. My 12 gauge has a 20" barrel and a stock, not a pistol grip. i maneuver fine through my apartment. the last thing a burglar wants to see is a mossberg :)
True the overall length of both are comparable , BUT, clearing a close quarters environment is hands down easier with a handgun. And if properly trained, you do not have to be at full extension to fire with a handgun.
Another option is a pistol caliber carbine with subsonic rounds, like .45 or 9mm in 147 gr. Plenty of stopping power in most instances and won't blow your eardrums out in the enclosed space of a home.
jwash3rd 1 day ago
pretty sure a .45 hollow point will do far more damage then a .223 out of a 16' barrel
chubbs636 2 days ago
@chubbs636 Check out some ballistics gelatin tests. Even cheap fmj .223 causes a greater wound than .45acp.. Hollow point, Ballistic tip, and Open Tip Match .223 are even more affective at destroying tissue and yet less likely than HP pistol ammunition to over penetrate.
barccy 2 days ago
5.56 penetrates walls worse then 9mm or 40cal. I think a 5.56 or 300 blackout make an excellent HD weapon. Here is my problem with your *average* gun owner using a, for example, AR15 for HD. The AR15 uses a floating firing pin and the pin slams into the primer when you load the weapon, making loading it in your house a "potentionally" iffy idea (yes, I know its highly unlikely to be a problem). In fact, I just won't leave my rifle with one in the chamber in my house because of that.
bp968 1 week ago
@bp968 That said, I think 5.56 is an excellent HD round, and if you don't mind taking the extra second to charge the weapon, then a *good* ar15 makes an excellent HD weapon. Keep in mind though that the concussion blast from a 5.56/223 leaving a 16" or 18" barrel is enough to permanently harm your hearing. Still, it *is* much easier to use a shoulder weapon then a pistol.
bp968 1 week ago
nice vid jack nut kill your neighbors with a 223 fuck that. 45acp glock or 1911 or 12g in the house is good. Dont kill timmy you bastard.
boonedogger 2 weeks ago
It will also go through your walls and kill your neighbor:)
A7Delgado 2 weeks ago
Also a 30 round clip is better then 15 rounds.
MrJapper88 2 weeks ago
I wish Ruger made a 18 inch heavy barrel with flash hidder.
MrJapper88 2 weeks ago
m1 carbine would be a better option, it is lighter and it has a slower cartridge i believe the gun is shorter as well
powerbagle 2 weeks ago
I agree with your views on the carbine. Good video
sailwed1 3 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
I love my Mini 30, but only for outdoor use.
floridafyme 3 weeks ago
The only reason I have a MINI 14 is to kill bad guys.
MrAppleseed88 3 weeks ago
best weapon for home defense is a shotgun....nothing is more intimidating than that click of a shotgun cocking. haha
tippman2k01 3 weeks ago
@timmyjunior1 shit that made no sense -_- "it can not even come close to penetrating 4 walls and a skull it can't even go through what 1 inch of concrete"
MrDip02 4 weeks ago
@MrDip02 4 inch walls sometimes consist if 1/2" of drywall, a little fiberglass insulation, and a 1/2" inch thick board, and aluminum siding. A .223 could go through that with no problem. I once saw a house where someone had blown a hole the size of a baseball through an exterior wall using a shotgun with bird shot.
IndianaJesusfreak 3 weeks ago
@IndianaJesusfreak you're comparing a .12 gauge to a .223 a .223 is basically a hollow point it mushrooms out ALOT earlier and faster than a standard round and people who use guns for home defense don't really reload there ammunition so there stuck with the "hollow point" bullet that the commerical ammunition offers
MrDip02 3 weeks ago
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MrDip02 4 weeks ago
don'r risk over-penetration. Grab a 12 gauge and load it up with the appropriate ammo. If you have kids in the house, use bird shot. If its just you then some 00 buck will do the trick. Like timmyjunior1 said, a rifle is just too risky in an urban environment.
CalamitysGrasp 4 weeks ago
Oh, yeah......not to mention how deaf you'll be after popping off a rifle in your hallway.
KAS8208 4 weeks ago
man those lawyer will eat you up if you shoot someone with a carbine aka submachine gun!
mrcharles007 4 weeks ago
@mrcharles007
Carbines are not sub machine guns. A carbine is just a short-barreled rifle.
That being said, there's no way I'd use a rifle for home defense. IMO the best home defense weapon is a shotgun. That is, if you're handy with one. If not, stick to a pistol.
KAS8208 4 weeks ago
better hope you dont kill your neighbors. fmj's can pierce a body and several layers of sheet rock, and even some hollow points have penetration capabilities that will surprise you
ManFlaver 1 month ago
I agree with your school of thought. Do you feel that the .223 will overpenetrate and hit a family member. I defintily feel that the M1 carbine will work.
sailwed1 1 month ago
@sailwed1 all you have to do is kil the inner city scum trying to kill you. you dotn have to kill a family member.
MrAppleseed88 1 month ago
i loove ruger
wheelhorseful 1 month ago
Ahh...over penetration! The price your new neighbor pays for contributing to suburban sprawl and dragging criminals from the city with them.
opinionatedinc 1 month ago
home defense bahhhh kill all your neighbors due to over penetrating yeah,pistol or shotgun for home defense
sarge242 1 month ago
OH SHIT! CHICKEN WING!
asssface2000 1 month ago
"The size and power of a 9mm doesnt matter when i put 2 in your chest and one in your head"
Former Seal Team Six member
MADDAWG1771 1 month ago 2
@MADDAWG1771
Seriously...
Tacksman99 1 month ago
just get some frangible ammunition. Problem solved.
Takiado 1 month ago
Tests have proven that .223 penetrates less than 9mm and other similar pistol rounds. The .223 cartridge is bad for fragmenting resulting in less penetration.
jwesttt2 1 month ago 3
@tronclay, once it's pumped, it's smokin
trickykwoo2 2 months ago
@leadleed, I have plenty of firearms to choose from but home defense, can't beat the 12 ga.. If your planning on a firefight, yea, my ar or mini, or colt 1911 will do fine, but in home defense, two shots are about all it will take, the sound of a 12 pump action will strike fear in the heart of anyone inside my house
trickykwoo2 2 months ago
@trickykwoo2 or give him a split second to bring his knife down on your or pull his trigger. You dont use a pump shotgun to scare someone, you use it to shoot someone.
tronclay 2 months ago
Because over penetration doesn't apply to home-defense carbines...
AirsoftSeattleReveiw 2 months ago
@AirsoftSeattleReveiw 5.56mm is a faster, lighter constructed round, and doesn't do as well against intermediate barriers as well constructed service pistol JHP ammo.
It's effectively a "free lunch" in that you get more power, and less over penetration with a 5.56mm
MitchellCT 2 months ago
Plus when you run out ammo you can always use the carbine as a club.
pveg65 2 months ago
A woman once asked a man "sir, I see you are wearing a pistol around your waste are you expecting trouble?" The man replied "no maam, if I was expecting trouble I would have brought my rifle."
jigsaw183 2 months ago 28
@jigsaw183 Didn't John Wayne Say that?
Friedstuffsable 2 months ago
@jigsaw183 I first read that as "I would have brought my wife."
MikeInTheMachine 1 month ago 2
I have a nice middle ground between a pistol and a long gun; A Mare's Leg firing a .357 Magnum +P Hollow Point. I DARE you to try and break into my house in the middle of the night!
FrozenKoolAidDude 2 months ago
For home defense, nothing beats a shotgun, don't get me wrong, I like handguns and rifles a lot, but a barrel big enough to put your thumb in is intimidating in it's self, if you have a pump shotgun, well that racking sound alone will send shivers up a thiefs yellow bellied spine. Plus the choices of shot type.
trickykwoo2 2 months ago
@trickykwoo2 while i like a good 12 ga for home defense, i prefer the capacity of a carbine. 20 or 30 rds of .223 vs 6-8 12 ga shells? hell, even a short barrelled lever gun in a pistol cartridge makes a damn fine HD gun
MrLeedleed 2 months ago
FiveTwoSevenTHR, if your familys life is worth your ego, go ahead, I know what my test results and years of experience have shown. You do what you want, I'll do what I want.
trickykwoo2 2 months ago
Great, until it goes through your wall and hits your neighbors kid.
timmyjunior1 2 months ago 23
@timmyjunior1 Exactly why i have a 380 for in the house LOL, or maybe i should do like this guy and get a m60 .. hmmmm XD
JDK1981 2 months ago
@timmyjunior1 for home defense, you would use hollowpoint ammo. that way there is no risk of over-penetration. at home, i use hornady critical defense ammo for my sks and my pistol.
jasoncerna 1 month ago
@jasoncerna I wouldn't say "no chance". A chunk of metal flying at that speed can do things you would never expect.
timmyjunior1 1 month ago
@timmyjunior1 that's why ammunition companies constantly test their products. and that is why you need to choose the correct ammo for self/home defense.
jasoncerna 1 month ago
@jasoncerna Not for me I guess, I just prefer a shotgun.
timmyjunior1 1 month ago
@timmyjunior1 yea, it's definitely apples and oranges. i initially wanted a shotgun just for the home. but, i felt more comfortable with my updated sks and pistol since i use those quite a bit on the range.
jasoncerna 1 month ago
@jasoncerna I also live in close proximity to other houses so another reason I chose a shotgun.
timmyjunior1 1 month ago
@timmyjunior1 Handgun bullets will do that too. So will buckshot. Any effective projectile will go through drywall.
Friedstuffsable 1 month ago
@Friedstuffsable One of the reasons I use birdshot.
timmyjunior1 1 month ago
@timmyjunior1 depends the bullet....
Taud 1 month ago
@timmyjunior1 You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. A .223 Remington round tends to penetrate LESS building materials than 9mm or .45 JHPs or 12ga Buckshot.
If anything there is less worry of overpenetration when using a rifle chambered in .223 Remington for home defense.
hydrashok556 1 month ago
@timmyjunior1
wrong - .223 has a tendency to penetrate fewer interior walls than other common self defense rounds. 9mm .40 cal, .45, 12 gauge. this is a function of velocity and the lighter weight of the bullet. 55 grain FMJ usually self destruct when they try to penetrate 2-4 sheets of drywall. The 45 grain hollow point I prefer for home defense does 3800 FPS and has a light jacket - they frag and stop in 2-3 sheets of drywall (I've tested this on a range.)
evilsnuffalupagus 1 month ago
@evilsnuffalupagus
by comparison a 115 grain 9mm JHP +P round (I use corbon ammo) doing 1300 FPS will plow through 6 or more sheets of drywall. .45 and 12 gauge 00 buck pellets do the same. this is why many police tac units are now running .223 rifles in favor of 9mm Sub machine guns.
evilsnuffalupagus 1 month ago
@evilsnuffalupagus To each his own, I'll stick with my shotgun ;)
timmyjunior1 1 month ago
@timmyjunior1 Not all bullets hit neighbors kids.
MrAppleseed88 1 month ago
@MrAppleseed88 ... some do ?
mba2ceo 1 month ago
@MrAppleseed88 It only take one to kill him
SmartMeteResistance 4 weeks ago
@SmartMeteResistance only if you hit them. the odds of that is nill. only in tv horse shit anti gun propaganda do you see it happen.
MrAppleseed88 4 weeks ago
@timmyjunior1 a .223 has a hard time penetrating even walls let alone a skull a wall and then go through another wall and then go through another skull
MrDip02 1 month ago
@MrDip02 Bullshit you are just flat out wrong!
I will start by stating over 1/2 of the homes in the nation are constructed in a framed manner with either a stucco system out west or siding for the midwest and east. A .223 could easily pentrate a body and thats assuming you dont miss the person, a wall an additional wall and into another body.
jmalone19 1 week ago
@MrDip02 If your assuming in a masonary block wall that it could not penetrate only a small portion of the blocks are grouted(filled with concrete) usually the corners and around doors and windows.
Then lets talk about windows it could enter/exit through a window as well, the bottom line why risk it, you are responsible for every round you put downrange. The benefit are not even close to the downsides for me.
jmalone19 1 week ago
@timmyjunior1 Because we all know a 9mm can't go through drywall.
lj2justgoto 1 week ago
@timmyjunior1 Yeah, it seems like a nice 12 ga would be safer for the innocents that might be nearby
TONY45066 6 days ago
@TONY45066 Less wall penetration if you buy the right loads.
timmyjunior1 5 days ago
just a word of advice, never use a rifle for home defense unless you live out in the country and dont have any nearby neighbors. handgun rounds by themselves could end up in your neighbors house, a rifle round almost definitely will if their house is in its path. ill start using my ar-15 for home defense when i move up into the mountains in colorado, but until then im using my glock 23 with gold dots.
1cme1 2 months ago
@1cme1 Your .40 S&W rounds will easily leave your home.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR i know that. but once it passes through a person and then my outerwall it will have lost most of its energy. im aware that i could miss, and im aware that it could still reach a neighboring house, but the point is theres less chance than with a rifle.
1cme1 2 months ago
@1cme1 5.56 loses velocity faster after hitting something.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR i wasnt only talking about 5.56, i was talking about rifles. not everyone is going to have a mini-14 or an AR.
1cme1 2 months ago
@1cme1 Anything above 5.56 in a rifle is over kill at those ranges unless it's something like 7.62 x 39. .308 would have too much over penetration.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR thats exactly my point. theres plenty of people who would use their AK, their M1A, or even an AR in 6.8 for home defense which would be incredibly dangerous and people need to be aware of that. the reason i dont use my AR-15 for home defense is because i currently live in california and my AR has a bullet button on it which makes it extremely ineffective in any form of combat.
1cme1 2 months ago
@1cme1 I can understand what you mean but It's extremely rare for any conflict in the civilian world to shoot more that 4 rounds. Each 5.56 is the same power as a .44 magnum. One or two rounds would stop most people.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR true, but if i ever did find myself in a situation where it didnt end in 10 rounds i would be dead.
1cme1 2 months ago
@1cme1 That can be true but what alternative do you use?
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR my glock 23 for now with 180gr. gold dots and two spare magazines. or if i for some reason know a threat could be coming (examples being stalkers, one of my idiot brothers getting in a feud with another gang, etc) ill keep my .12 guage shotgun out loaded with buckshot.
1cme1 2 months ago
@1cme1 Should keep your shotgun out and loaded anyway.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR i keep it in the safe so i dont give a burglar immediate access to a free fully loaded shotgun if someone breaks in while im not home.
1cme1 2 months ago
@1cme1 That's understandable. I keep my shotgun out and loaded but my handgun locked up when I'm not home. I live in New Hampshire and we have the lowest crime rate so I don't feel too bad about it. I'll eventually get a wall mounted shotgun lock to secure it when I'm not home.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR ya yur not tew smart u should probably quit looking at so many gun forums, they tend to be full of idiots.
SupremeAmerican 2 months ago
@SupremeAmerican I can't tell if you're trolling or just and idiot. The High Road is probably the best forum you can find for guns. Why don't you join and participate and see for yourself.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR Ive checked it out plenty of times. Most of them are dellusional adults who got rejected by the cops or military and display severe mental disorders and obsessions over guns, and extremely egotistical.
SupremeAmerican 2 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Must be looking at M4A1Carbine or something. What was your user name?
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@SupremeAmerican do you have significant evidence to prove your statement? or do YOU just feel they are mentaly ill because YOU are scared of guns? stop living in la la land.
annasajerk 2 months ago
@SupremeAmerican I guess you forgot to reply to me. What is your user name?
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR don't have one at the moment, and if i do, i forgot it. Why are you so offended? Your ego in jeapardy?
SupremeAmerican 2 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Because you made claims that just don't make sense at all. You could be asking for advice on your new High Point and they would give it to you with encouragement. Come in with your new few thousand dollar 1911 and they'll do the same. Your claims do not match what THR is and I've been a member for over two years. Alot of them are both in the military, Law enforcement or retired from those two thing.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR Chances are, if someone on the high road forum tells you they're in military or law enforcement, they are lying. Deal with it.
SupremeAmerican 2 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Chances are if someone claims to be in special forces, they are lying. Saw someone like that once but most people weren't in combat or something that could be bragged about. If they brag about it in nearly every post then they weren't. I'm not sure why you think that anyway, it's not hard to get in the military.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Gun forums have a ton of idiots but youtube has just as many, 70% of shooters are retards who can't shoot for shit and just parrot the same info their Grand Papa told them that he learned from a fake former Navy Seal who was selling candy bars at a local gun show.
semiautoriflelover1 2 months ago
@semiautoriflelover1 Quiet. I'm hunting ninja's.. Of the 'mall' species.
SupremeAmerican 2 months ago
@cskimber1911 I ran out of characters to use before I could say, at those close ranges, the shot is still in the shotcup, not scattering about yet, one semisolid mass, I also use a shotcup with either no slits or slit only half way down sitting on top of a healthy charge of WST powder. It takes awhile for the cup to separate.
trickykwoo2 2 months ago
@cskimber1911, we will have to agree to disagree, I have shot enough to know the shot does not open into anykind of pattern at ranges indoors, usually 10-15 ft or less, and an oz. of lead stacked shot will do just fine, I would use nothing larger than no.5 buckshot. I've done tests myself, I can't argue with a three inch intrance wound. I"m not saying anything bad about the cal., it's my fav. but a .45 is the worst offender at over penatration in sheet rock, more so than a .223,
trickykwoo2 2 months ago
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trickykwoo2 2 months ago
HOME DEFENSE? Hope no one is in the rooms beyond target!!!! Shotgun with bird shot is best home defense. periond!
trickykwoo2 2 months ago
@trickykwoo2 No sir, bird shot does not have the cross sectional density to penetrate the chest cavity and reach the vitals. Go to a website called theboxotruth and you will find that the best load for home defense if you're worried about over penetrations is #1 Buckshot out of a 12 ga. Then after that, is a light rifle round, like the 5.56. It's a very common misconception that just because you're firing it out of a shotgun it will kill a bad guy. This is not the case.
cskimber1911 2 months ago
@trickykwoo2 Yeah I agree! It only hurts the badguy and has trouble killing someone even if they are shot in the face at point blank! Birdshot will still travel through walls. If it can penetrate flesh, it can rip through drywall. I'll keep my 12 gauge slugs and you can keep the fantasies.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
Over-penetration should be a concern for anyone using a rifle, or handgun. Even a .380 will shoot clean thru a regular wall. I would not recommend either a rifle or pistol for home defense for anyone living in a neighborhood. Even a shotgun will blow thru a wall. Thing to use would be 12gauge pump stoked with 4buck. That's my modest opinion, anyway.
menacinggesture 2 months ago
ruger mini 14 is on my wish list,however for someone who has anyone living beside them,or children in the home this would concern me,i went for the 9mm carbine and hornady custom hollow points,that way the only death is of someone deserving of it and no accidents
rusty123able 2 months ago
Good luck blinding yourself with that thing when it is discharged in the middle of the night with no flash hider.
Friedstuffsable 3 months ago
@Friedstuffsable Hornady TAP 5.56 has low muzzle flash meant for shooting in the dark in a home.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I'd rather have a threaded barrel that I can put a flash hider of my choice so I can shoot surplus ammo or whichever ammo and not have a huge fireball. That is one reason I like carbines, I can mask the flash signature. How effective is the flash hider on the minis that have them?
Friedstuffsable 2 months ago
@Friedstuffsable I don't really have any experiance with the Mini 14 to tell you.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
inside the house, hand gun all the way. #1. turning corners will expose more of your body to return fire if using a carbine where as you can round a corner with the hand gun and little body exposure. #2 cheap 223 rounds will over penatrate possible hit your own family members while not stopping the target! you want target dead not wounded with only one story to tell the cops, yours!! 40cal-45cal up close! 12ga shotgun in the yard, carbine at 30+ yds.
gonzosc1 3 months ago
@gonzosc1 5.56 has the same power as a .44 mag. Even at 300 yards it still has more than twice the power of .45 ACP. Don't believe me? Look it up.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I agree but its not about power only in home defence. 5.56 and 44 mag are powerful yes, but if you were standing 6ft behind the human target I was going to shoot which should I use. FMJ 5.56 that will go clean through with little to no break up of the bullet, or a hollow point 44-45 that will stay in the target. don't forget 5.56 needs to reach a certain speed for it to break up when it hits a human. 5.56 out of a short barrel carbine is slow, bullet remains whole most times
gonzosc1 2 months ago
@gonzosc1 The lightweight of 5.56 makes it penetrate less because of how fast it looses velocity after hitting something.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@FiveTwoSevenTHR I would say there is alot going on with different bullets. but I can say with fact that a 5.56 with good shot placement with go clean through a deer at 100 yds. I've done it!! tracked deer another 60-70 yds and found it. once cleaned I saw it went through both lungs and blow out a rib on exit. now maybe at greater distance yes the penetration is less but in a room whatever you shoot is getting a clean through hole.
gonzosc1 2 months ago
interesting thouthts, though I would always choose a handgun over a rifle for home defense.
DngerousRadical 3 months ago
yea but you need both hands to operate it. what happens if you have to grab your kid and drag em down the hallway cos they are too scared to run..
SharpenerHellJoy 3 months ago
Forget the Mini-14, get a man-size caliber. 7.62x39 MINIMUM. My favorite is 7.62x54R. SVT-40... my favorite.
Mortablunt 3 months ago
.223 rounds are so quick and small though, half the time they go through you. Semi auto .44 mag is a better option
gshdrums 3 months ago
I love the Mini 14 and wouldn't hesitate to use it as a home defense gun. Not for a second... I carried an AR .223 in Vietnam for a year and felt very comfortable with it. I am just as comfortable with the Mini. I have killed a lot of game and farm animals with the Mini 14 and I know what it is capable of doing. With the right selection of ammunition it is more than you need for self defense or survival. It is plenty of gun. That's the way I see it. :0)
Roberthurz 3 months ago
@controversyking a weapons light should be added to any home defense weapon. A shotgun with 7 or 8 shot will stop a bad guy in your home without over penetration and is easier to shoot under stress than a pistol. I think a pistol should be an addition to a shotgun or rifle defense system because 2 guns are always better than one should 1 fail.
DanielJosephTV 3 months ago
Shotguns over penetrate worse than rifles assuming 1. you're shooting shot larger than bird shot (which you should be if you're shooting in self-defense at anything greater than contact distance...at least #1 Buck is recommended) and 2. you're using a fragmenting rifle round, such as a ballistic tip or hollow point. I wouldn't necessarily recommend a .308 but given the right ammo it's not as much of a liability as some make it seem. If something will penetrate flesh, it will penetrate drywall.
wcropp1 4 months ago
It is not my primary home defense weapon, but I have this same Mini Tactical and it easily shoots sub 2" groups at 100. That is perfectly acceptable for something that is built like a tank,, has a short(er) barrel and will fire any kind of ammo you want to feed it. Plus, my shot groups are barely 1" when I load my own rounds. I love it, and didn't pay anywhere near $800 new....somebody got robbed.
superdart75 4 months ago
Thanks for the video. It's an interesting point about how far the handgun is sticking out when you're shooting it. Lots more energy and easier for most folks to control with the rifle. My house-gun is a rifle, too. Lever 44.
NotElmerKeith 4 months ago
Dan that's an awesome rifle. I'm a big fan of the M-14 and this just looks like a modernized, shortened version...kinda similar to the M-14 scout. As far as home defense, perhaps if your home is a ranch or another rural setting. Other than that I think it's a bit too powerful for urban areas.
Devilock79 4 months ago
I agree a shot gun is very effective.You dont even need to use it just shout through the door I have a gun then RACK the shotgun hard they will hear it and more than likely take off.If not and they continue to try to enter the home then theres nothing like some 00 buck if you live in an apartment and are afraid of over penetration then switch to heavy bird shot for the first 2-3 shells then 00 buck for the last 2-3 shells that way if the bird shot fails to stop them the 00 buck will do the job.
gijoekfg1969 4 months ago
home defense? stick with a short-barreled shotgun or pistol or like others have already stated, the round WILL go through an intruder then through the drywall then through the outside wall then into the house nextdoor then through their drywall and so forth and so on.....3000+or- fps is a bit much for home defense.
linkin622 4 months ago
For home defense in "the country" would find use for a 5.56 carbine but in an urban or suburban environment it has way too much penetration and would endanger neighbors were you to need to defend your life. In those circumstances a 20 ga. shotgun with #3 or #4 buckshot would be preferable. My defensive carbine is a "youth model" 20 ga. when I am at my home and an SKS "paratrooper when I am at "the farm." If you need more than 10 rounds you need to improve your shooting skills.
magicdaveable 4 months ago
that is a cool gun man. how much do they go for? ballpark figure.
chraw1983 4 months ago
I also agree the 12Ga is the best, just the sound of loading a pump shotgun will run most bad guys away!
slamskie1 4 months ago
using a rifle for home protection is stupid
BALJIT147 4 months ago
@BALJIT147 keep telling yourself that buddy.
LRASS2009 4 months ago
@BALJIT147 Not just stupid, but really stupid. The main disadvantage to a .223 carbine for home defense is that it'll punch right through the wall and continue on (Into the next room where your kid is sleeping or into the next house?). If you want something bigger than a pistol for home defense, then choose a shotgun with 00 (8mm) or 000 (9mm) buckshot. The latter will give you six 9mm pellets with every trigger pull, increasing your chances of hitting the intruder, and buckshot stops at walls.
BloodofPatriots 4 months ago
@BloodofPatriots I know thats why I said it's stupid
BALJIT147 4 months ago
One: It's pronounced "CarBINE" not "CarBEAN"
Two: The Mini-14 is a useless piece of junk that can't hit the broad side of a hockey stadium.
It's also way over powered for home defence. If you MUST have a carBINE then get one chambered in a pistol round. Or better yet.....buy a 12ga.
Ljungman42 4 months ago
@Ljungman42 you must be a REALLY crappy shot, the Mini14 is a fantastic, uber reliable rifle....period. There are many real world comparisons out there run by industry professionals(check out Nutnfancy on you tube) that prove the Mini is just as as accurate if not more so than the AR or AK but also unbelievably reliable, you can pour dirt into the action, still fires.It is too much for in home defense in most scenarios, but is perfect for Zombies on your lawn or occupying Wall Street.
slamskie1 4 months ago 2
@slamskie1 Really? Your the only one who thinks so. Lets face it, the Mini-14 has a bad rep that is WELL deserved. I haven't tried the new "target model" but I don't see me EVER buying another Mini. I lost my shirt on the last one when I FINALLY sold it.
Ljungman42 4 months ago
@Ljungman42 I can send you MANY reviews by true industry field testers and military personal but I am not sure you would care, it sounds like you had a bad experience so you have written the rifle off, I can't believe you lost your shirt on it any I ever see are close to retail used. I bought my first Mini from a Army Ranger friend, he had 3 and I talked him out of one of them. He said he would rely on his Mini long before his AR as far as the "gonna shoot" not matter what gun.
slamskie1 4 months ago
@Ljungman42 a good AR is superior in some ways but can be picky and problematic in others. I am not suggesting the Mini is a competition target rifle but neither are most AR's. Also with the new stock options out there, especially the new Archangel Sparta stock the Mini is fully capable of any roll the AR is. The new Tactical version of the Mini has been adopted by police forces both for it's value and reliability.
slamskie1 4 months ago
@Ljungman42 And last but not least Ruger has been producing the Mini14 for 37 years and have sold a tremendous number of them, if it was really just a junk gun that would never happen. I by no means think the Mini is the greatest rifle out there, by the same token it does not deserve the brow beating you are giving it, BUT this is America and we can voice our opinions all we want.
slamskie1 4 months ago
@slamskie1 It's not just my experiences with the rifle, it's the fact that many people told me what this rifle was like and I refused to believe them untill I owned one.
It "could" be a nice rifle if it was priced right. THAT'S the killer. My SKS-D and the Mini-14 both shot about the same when it comes to groupings. The only difference was the SKS-D was $200 new and the Mini-14 was $800. The SKS gives you what you paied for, the Mini robbs you blind.
Ljungman42 4 months ago
@Ljungman42 wtf are you talking about? useless piece of junk? anyone that says any gun is a useless piece of junk should have there head examined. no gun use useless.
dillweed154 4 months ago
@dillweed154 True.....might make a good club.....thats about it though.
Ljungman42 4 months ago
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Ljungman42 4 months ago
A pistol is my "go to" gun for self/home-defense, however a carbine is a viable option.
CapitolCityMilitia 5 months ago
223 for home defense what about other people in the house 9mm slower less chance of threw an threw compard to the 223.. threw an threw meening intruders or walls....
yup703 5 months ago
I have to say i have lived in both countries, and must say i felt safer in England than the States, so i understand the feeling for needing a gun to defend yourself and your family. Its the American way, and it's our right.
bonsa100 5 months ago
Although a long gun is almost the same length as a handgun stance fully extended, in a self defense scenario you may have only one hand free, or you might have to shoot from an awkward position. Can't do it with a long gun. Anyone who says you have almost the same maneuverability with a long gun is compensating for something. And .223 is not overkill, heck I use a 50 BMG rifle and a 600 nitro express handgun for my home protection. Lol
jpap967 6 months ago
fuck my life i cant have over a 5 round capacity mag in california
omgwaffels96 7 months ago
@omgwaffels96 its 10
alen209 6 months ago
you can also use quarters nickels pennys and dimes for a double barrel !
southpawrocky11 7 months ago
@southpawrocky11 Is that what we call "keep the change" Obozo.
TR5T 7 months ago
talk about overkill for home defense (outside of zombie situations), .223 will probably over penetrate and make you neighborhoods really really made. If you into long gun, use a shotgun; if you can't pump use a semi-auto shotgun and use buckshot not slugs.
xingfenzhen 8 months ago
@xingfenzhen I agree. A guy in my old neighborhood was cleaning/messing with his rifle and accidentally fired a round. The round went through the wall of his house and penetrated into the garage of his neighbor. In a home defense scenario where you're probably going to be shooting sporadically, you don't want rounds ending up in your neighbors house. Shotguns are hands down, the best for home defense.
bigstabby 6 months ago
Thanks for the info. Ill gust put the slughs in my 12 gage. That just saved me maybe 600.00 bucks.Can buy a lot of slugs for that.
bigpoppa1951 8 months ago
A Mini 14 is definitely not for bears. Use the 12 gauge with some hard cast Brenneke Slugs as other slugs will be too soft and you want major penetration. If you could happen to score some Frag-12, armor piercing variety, rounds for it instead, even better. :-)
T33V33 8 months ago
Mini 14 ??? Penetration .. through wall into the neighbors kids bedroom .. But hey ... long as you're safe huh ???
peterm3964 8 months ago
@peterm3964 Hell you come first everyone else second.
jmmurdy 8 months ago
This guy is so true. People has the misbelief that handguns are more manoeuverable and fast than shoulder weapons. I can raise my carbine on shoulder as fast as i raise a gun. And for any other aspect I would go shoulder weapon anytime.
The only pros handguns have is concealability (good for gangsters not homedefense) and weight (dont care since you hold your rifle both hands or in the back).
Is that a trade off for faster, more accurate and stable shooting, and more stopping power? Hell no!
niksarass 8 months ago
I have a mossberg930 and moving to the mountains.Am thinking about buying a mini14 in case of bears. Is it better or is the mossberg good .
bigpoppa1951 8 months ago
@bigpoppa1951
There's going to be a ton of debate on what's a good bear gun.
IMO... whatever loaded gun is within reach when the bear is feeling a bit peckish. :D
warzer0 8 months ago
@warzer0 So with the right round in my 12 gage that should be good enought?
bigpoppa1951 8 months ago
@bigpoppa1951
Hard to say really. Just my opinion but:
1) Any loaded gun is better then no gun.
2) Distance is golden. Keep it.
3) Only hits count.
To be fair though, if a bear is charging at you, you're fucked. It's just to what degree of fucked is the question, whether it's just shitting your pants or ending up bear shit. :(
warzer0 8 months ago
@bigpoppa1951 - a .223 is not really a bear rifle. If you need a rifle for bears, get a bigger one.
A 12 or 20 guage shotgun, on the other hand, is usually considered perfect for defense from bears, if you load slugs. Great big slugs make great big holes. If your only reason for getting a rifle is to protect yourself from bears, forget it. Just load your shotgun with slugs.
sixgunner455 8 months ago
I agree length isn't an issue. My 12 gauge has a 20" barrel and a stock, not a pistol grip. i maneuver fine through my apartment. the last thing a burglar wants to see is a mossberg :)
tastykak3s 9 months ago
Gunman dont be telling people to get piece of shit hi points.
Radion561 9 months ago 2
get a hi point 4595, 45 acp, cheap gun, works fine with good mags, good stopping power, and no over-penetration.
gunman848 9 months ago
@weewaa101 If we were, why would we own .22s, or 2 in. revolvers or derringers?
jonestim491 9 months ago
True the overall length of both are comparable , BUT, clearing a close quarters environment is hands down easier with a handgun. And if properly trained, you do not have to be at full extension to fire with a handgun.
M1NDC0N7R0L 10 months ago