holy shit, that quote you said at about 1:30 was genius, off the top of your head, too. I'm stealing it, I hope you dont mind. you look like hunter s thompson, high five.
Like I said elsewhere your faith is in Logic....your #1 reason for being an Atheist or atheisTIC is that God is ILLogical. I agree! By "Faith" I mean belief/credence/agreement....or the proverbial basket u are willing to place your eggs into (or jellybenas...;))
2) logical theories are irrelevent because you're looking at God as a being we can comprehend, explain, predict. as a scientist i expect u beleive u can explain things via conincidence and cause and effect ideas etc. but can u explain why we cant predict the future? i mean why be alive if things were planned out and we knew what was gonna happen? btw i mentioned this a long time ago on another video of yours! dont think we came to any conclusions but thats good, were not supposed to lol
The future is predictable. You turn the keys in the ignition of your car, what happens? You throw a ball into the air, what happens? You connect a positive and negative end of a battery through tungsten resistor in a glass enclosed vacuum, what happens? You live your life constantly making predictions about the future that DO come true, with such accuracy and so often that you take it for granted apparently.
agreed, the physical world is predictable. human nature is up to an extent, but thats the problem - there's a limit. u can only go so far and do so much. the future is more than just a set of reactions, as is our will and the conscious or sub conscious decisions that we make. for example i can predict u to an extent. i can predict that u were goin to reply, but not what u were goin to say, or how u were goin to spell your words or phase your response etc
the limit you see seems only to be one of knowledge, given enough knowledge of a system I see no reason why said system could not be predictable, regardless of the practicality of doing so.
if u could predict my ever move, thought and emotion then my existance would be meaningless. if u look at life as meaningless then ur correct. from a purely logical p.o.v wouldnt that make ur life pointless too, therefore making ur arguement fudamentally flawed?
1) humans make mistakes. we all do negative and positive actions which are all relative. mayber the bible was wrong in some parts, but this doesnt disporve or prove God - i mean look at the idea of 'good' - what does that even mean? for the good of who? we get a choice, if he make those choices for us i think it would be bad.
The word "God" I think was a mistranslation. Originally the word Elohim was used, which is plural and to a lesser extent Eloha which is singular and Yahweh is like the leader of these Elohim and a central identity in the bible. Even some catholic scholars admit Elohim turned into Gd then into God. The Catholic church has old bibles but won't allow people to get access to them.
So let me get this straight, you were adopted into Judaism? That's so crazy. Christianity I could see, but Jews don't tend to be a big conversion religion. Am I on planet 9? Help me out here.
Judaism is not an active convert seeking religion (hence the small population when compared to christianity and islam). Even willing converts are supposed to be turned away 3 times traditionally, to make sure they're serious. After the conversion though, they are treated as equal parts of the community, they did sign the contract afterall. The adoption of children is a much easier process, only a bris is required, that's the circumcision ceremony, and then they're full fledged kosher.
Argh, just posted a comment and it disappeared. Let's see if I can remember it... Thanks for the video response. I have noticed that most atheist responses are logical, most theists emotional. My top two are so emotional. I made a terrible theist when I tried though. The logic is always back there, somewhere. =)
Katatawnic recently expressed it quite eloquently in the comments section of I-wish-I-could-remember-which-video. ;-)
You could also watch this video.
watch?v=saDHFomGW3A
He talks about Damasio's theories about the primacy of emotion from "Descartes Error" early on in the video (first 10-15 minutes), but the whole video is worth watching. I went and saw Lakoff speak here in Philly on Tuesday night and he was outstanding!
It isn't mysterious at all. Those using Epicurus train of thought don't seem to acknowledge that biblically, God will destroy all evil and cast evildoers into hell. You are just arguing with his timeline. he let's us experience evil for the short period we are here on earth, so that throughout eternity, protected from evil, we will know how bad it is.
No significance of the 666 in the name I suppose, keep smacking and rubbing your head- maybe another jelly bean will fall out;-0
wolfmagic72 1 year ago
holy shit, that quote you said at about 1:30 was genius, off the top of your head, too. I'm stealing it, I hope you dont mind. you look like hunter s thompson, high five.
bongchampion 1 year ago
@bongchampion Epicurus is the name of the greek philosopher, look him up.
kalin666 1 year ago
@kalin666 thats quite the epic name, I just might do that.
bongchampion 1 year ago
Well said!
DeMaSm 2 years ago
And Kalin, how would you respond to Pascal's Wager?
0TheBen 3 years ago
I'd tell him it's a false choice as he didn't specify which god
kalin666 3 years ago
Like I said elsewhere your faith is in Logic....your #1 reason for being an Atheist or atheisTIC is that God is ILLogical. I agree! By "Faith" I mean belief/credence/agreement....or the proverbial basket u are willing to place your eggs into (or jellybenas...;))
julzabro 3 years ago
i read science fiction and fantasy and watch a decent amount of the discovery channel
kalin666 3 years ago
wow i completely agree with you man and yes jelly beans are great.
azteck 3 years ago
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
--Epicurus.
Sickkness 3 years ago
2) logical theories are irrelevent because you're looking at God as a being we can comprehend, explain, predict. as a scientist i expect u beleive u can explain things via conincidence and cause and effect ideas etc. but can u explain why we cant predict the future? i mean why be alive if things were planned out and we knew what was gonna happen? btw i mentioned this a long time ago on another video of yours! dont think we came to any conclusions but thats good, were not supposed to lol
tecnique000 3 years ago
The future is predictable. You turn the keys in the ignition of your car, what happens? You throw a ball into the air, what happens? You connect a positive and negative end of a battery through tungsten resistor in a glass enclosed vacuum, what happens? You live your life constantly making predictions about the future that DO come true, with such accuracy and so often that you take it for granted apparently.
kalin666 3 years ago
agreed, the physical world is predictable. human nature is up to an extent, but thats the problem - there's a limit. u can only go so far and do so much. the future is more than just a set of reactions, as is our will and the conscious or sub conscious decisions that we make. for example i can predict u to an extent. i can predict that u were goin to reply, but not what u were goin to say, or how u were goin to spell your words or phase your response etc
tecnique000 3 years ago
the limit you see seems only to be one of knowledge, given enough knowledge of a system I see no reason why said system could not be predictable, regardless of the practicality of doing so.
kalin666 3 years ago
if u could predict my ever move, thought and emotion then my existance would be meaningless. if u look at life as meaningless then ur correct. from a purely logical p.o.v wouldnt that make ur life pointless too, therefore making ur arguement fudamentally flawed?
tecnique000 3 years ago
what does "meaning" have to do with predictability?
kalin666 3 years ago
well what is the system you could create for then? why bother?
tecnique000 3 years ago
I don't understand
kalin666 3 years ago
...thats why i believe in God
tecnique000 3 years ago
or some sort of creator, if the word God carries to many misunderstood connations
tecnique000 3 years ago
top 2 reasons i believe in some form of God:
1) humans make mistakes. we all do negative and positive actions which are all relative. mayber the bible was wrong in some parts, but this doesnt disporve or prove God - i mean look at the idea of 'good' - what does that even mean? for the good of who? we get a choice, if he make those choices for us i think it would be bad.
tecnique000 3 years ago
The word "God" I think was a mistranslation. Originally the word Elohim was used, which is plural and to a lesser extent Eloha which is singular and Yahweh is like the leader of these Elohim and a central identity in the bible. Even some catholic scholars admit Elohim turned into Gd then into God. The Catholic church has old bibles but won't allow people to get access to them.
raulitech 3 years ago
You've got it right.
Lookyinthesky 3 years ago
My answers are too boring for a video. I was jsut born that way, and never indoctrinated. :)
Brianswers 3 years ago
So let me get this straight, you were adopted into Judaism? That's so crazy. Christianity I could see, but Jews don't tend to be a big conversion religion. Am I on planet 9? Help me out here.
mwest1234 3 years ago
Judaism is not an active convert seeking religion (hence the small population when compared to christianity and islam). Even willing converts are supposed to be turned away 3 times traditionally, to make sure they're serious. After the conversion though, they are treated as equal parts of the community, they did sign the contract afterall. The adoption of children is a much easier process, only a bris is required, that's the circumcision ceremony, and then they're full fledged kosher.
kalin666 3 years ago
jelly beans are PROOF of Gods existence
eddygoombah 3 years ago
Epicurus was the greek philosopher with the evil paradox you talked about... :)
ivarbt 3 years ago
If god works in such mysterious ways, how can anyone claim to know him?
howtofoldsoup 3 years ago
clearly only the humble can claim such a grand thing
kalin666 3 years ago
Amen, Kalin. I have 4 wisdom teeth that tell me there's no intelligent creator.
DblOSmith 3 years ago
I had mine pulled
kalin666 3 years ago
Damn Canada and your healthcare. :) I just now have the insurance to think about getting mine looked at, Finally.
DblOSmith 3 years ago
Argh, just posted a comment and it disappeared. Let's see if I can remember it... Thanks for the video response. I have noticed that most atheist responses are logical, most theists emotional. My top two are so emotional. I made a terrible theist when I tried though. The logic is always back there, somewhere. =)
lirpa69 3 years ago
But logic needs emotion.
CousinoMacul 3 years ago
I'm sure you're right, but please elucidate for me.
lirpa69 3 years ago
Katatawnic recently expressed it quite eloquently in the comments section of I-wish-I-could-remember-which-video. ;-)
You could also watch this video.
watch?v=saDHFomGW3A
He talks about Damasio's theories about the primacy of emotion from "Descartes Error" early on in the video (first 10-15 minutes), but the whole video is worth watching. I went and saw Lakoff speak here in Philly on Tuesday night and he was outstanding!
CousinoMacul 3 years ago
lies, logic needs electricity
kalin666 3 years ago
yes, lurking, like some 20 sided die wielding nerd in a dark corner of his parents basement
kalin666 3 years ago
(mr lurkalot says): rofl!
pornoopel 3 years ago
★★★★★
Katalyzt 3 years ago
don't covet my jelly beans!
kalin666 3 years ago
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"
Epicurus indeed.. :o)
~Angel XIII~
anangel13 3 years ago
Epicurus rocks!
CousinoMacul 3 years ago
"Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent."
That isn't logical because you don't allow for higher reasons he may destroy evil on his timeline.
sarabellumm 3 years ago
yeah yeah, mysterious ways, we know
kalin666 3 years ago
"yeah yeah, mysterious ways, we know"
It isn't mysterious at all. Those using Epicurus train of thought don't seem to acknowledge that biblically, God will destroy all evil and cast evildoers into hell. You are just arguing with his timeline. he let's us experience evil for the short period we are here on earth, so that throughout eternity, protected from evil, we will know how bad it is.
sarabellumm 3 years ago
yeah, that sounds like a real nice god to me . . . . ridiculous.
kalin666 3 years ago
Epicurus!.
joebot1 3 years ago