This is one of the repertoire's most difficult arias to sing, and Ms. Genaux goes through it with great intelligence and skill. She doesn't always do these jaw movements, this is just very, very difficult. Brava Vivica!
It's one of the very few times i've seen a singer doing that with her jaw o.o.... it's quite weird... it almost reminds me of Charlotte church -yuck, what an horrible singer :S- but this miss must be 100 times better... of course there must be better ones over there.
whatvs... she looks weird moving her jaw like that D:!
forive me, but her facial expressions are so cute. she looks like a little mouse nibbling on a wedge of cheese. now that i said that, she sounds great. interesting technique.
I'm an instrumentalist, so I don't really know enough to talk about her technique. All I know is she is rushing a whole lot around 1:00, and she looks like a chipmunk. She sounds fantastic though otherwise!
With so much effort and preoccupation to hit the notes how could she even begin to think about creating a personage on stage or all the nuances of acting?
These were the advances singers made in the 1950s!!
Master technique and be free to elevate the art above merely singing sounds at a particular frequency.
Who is that ridiculous android going through initial arm movement diagnostic disguised as a conductor? Ah, the French, can't live with them can't kill'em.
@HeidelbergSoprano Yes that lip/jaw high frequency chop-chop is distracting, but just listen and look only at the parts when the camera shows her beautiful bare back instead. Then it becomes heavenly.
@HeidelbergSoprano nope, its a very hard technique to learn and it is a recognized vibrato technique but many look down on it as it can be seen as ugly compared to someone who uses a virbato from the diaphragm but it is still a perfectly acceptable vibrato technique
@allthenamesrtook jaw vibrato? Seriously it looks like... meh. 2nd it sounds better or at least this good with diaphragmatic vibrato. I don`t agree it`s hard for some ppl. Some just have that weird jaw... vibrato:)) For those who don`t it is hard, but what`s it`s purpose anyway? And most important.. you can control the frequency diaphragmatic vibrato.. but this not. :)
@Serinia4melodic aha, true, it is easier for a lot of people, and it is for people who either can't do vibrato from the diaphragm but mostly it is a lot more noticeable as it is much stronger in the sound of it, and thats why a lot of people use it because 'normal' vibrato can often be left unheard so a piece sounds rather empty
@Serinia4melodic You shouldn't be doing either of those things to produce vibrato when singing. It's something that just happens when you're singing with correct breath pressure and an open throat/ resonance. If you're doing something to create vibrato you're doing it wrong.
@tenor220 I agree... since you can`t control the diaphragm.. the brain controls it. But you can control the abdominal muscles to force diaphragmatic breathing... and that is forced vibrato. But in the end in order to create the pressure for singing you still need the diaphragm so it`s her who plays an important part even in natural vibrato.
This makes me feel better being thrown in with this vocalist. Maybe I can get with her and she can help me with my "praises of the Lamb". And about the recorder pull up my new Ep The Connection by Trooper Keeton and tell me a real studio isn't a plus. Tk
@ales1329 Well, as stated above, it's about technique. It doesn't matter how "awful" she looks doing it, it's how well she can use that technique to get the desired effect.
@gildedsinn , well let me tell you..she has a really bad technique! she has developed bad habits.for example, the vibrato comes from the vibration of the diaphragm, but she is doing it with her lips.THIS MUSIC IS ABOUT PERFECTION
@ales1329 And this is just her take on the song, using her own technique to get the desired effect. She still did a good job, whether or not you think she is using a good technique.
@ales1329 you clearly have no idea what your talking about there is NOT one technique to singing now even close, each type of vocal voice, i.e tenor and so on use DIFFERENT techniques, this is one of the recognised colotura techniques. also pop starts and different genre singeres all use totally different techniques to each other and before you say i have no clue, im actually a counter tenor and classicaly trained pianist
@ales1329 vibrato can actually be done with either the diaphram or slightly closing the vocal chords, vibrating the soft pallet or moving the jaw along with the tongue. they are all PROPPER techniques that any opera singer can use, some opera singers use more than one depending on the particular piece they are singing as each has different qualities suited for particular pieces. DO RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!
i rather genaux's 'vavavavava' coloratura, than some of callas' 'hahahahaha' coloratura, callas fans, no offence here but callas had the habit of skipping notes and singing flat
If you close your eyes, you are saved from a terrible sight...both her seizuring lips and that lime monstrosity. Although I can't say that I even like the sound of her coloratura line, due to the fact that when she moves her lips in that "vavavavavava" manner she does, it dampens her sound.
@bigmandrel Is ist masterful singing? Why? Not the technique is awful, but the voice is not beautiful at all, she's not very exact at all, and her style doesn't add anything to the aria but it rather has little to do with it. I don't like this showing off of crazy agility, I don't at all.
osadas variaciones en el último tramo que sortea con cierta dificultad, pero bien. no la ayuda la emisión, por momentos se le nota en la coloratura que el movimiento involuntario que tiene en labios afecta la emisión. De momento quizá no sea muy grosero, esperemos que no lo sea a futuro
Couldn't imagine a worse and more disturbing vocal technique than hers. Not to talk about the complete lack of style with "ornamentations", random notes would have better chances to be more appropriate. What about having a quick look at all the treatises on vocal technique from either XVII and XVIII century? Like Tosi's or Mancini's both recommending to sing keeping the mouth as more natural as possible "in shape of pleasant smile"...
@singingtruth76 Opera is enough conservative as it is ( the fact it is indeed opera music, aeons old is conservative). I do not doubt singing is not only about sound, and also about looks, but focus on the sound! How many mezzos are there out there singing as clearly, agily and easily as her? Have you heard her Rossini? She is by many experts considered the Marylin Horne of now! Any idea how big and skilled you need to be to just be compared to her, let alone considered exactly as good as her?
@killerbunny123123 To me it's not a matter of look, elegance, style, conservation or whatsoever. As I wrote previously I believe that the inappropriate and disturbing movements of her jaw are just the most obvious evidence of a wrong singing technique. The best proof of that is that nowadays she's totally unable to sing one single middle-range note lasting more than 2 secs (like a "filato" or a "messa di voce") without her jaw starts shaking and the voice fluttering That's all of it.
@singingtruth76 Well, at this point remains the question, better be right but medium skilled, or be wrong and extraordinarily skilled? I think she chose to sacrifice the balance of a couple middle range notes to achieve speed, clarity flexibility no one else has ever achieved.
@killerbunny123123 Perhaps I was not clear enough: I think Ms Genaux is a skilled person who happened to bild up a reputation as a specialist of virtuosity on the base of a wrong technique that now allows her only to sing "fast and furious". Now she's not able any longer to sing expressive, slow arias (have you heard her singing any of that recently?) and I'm afraid that unfortunately in a few years she won't be able to sing at all.
@singingtruth76 Hmmm...well i find her "sposa son disprezzata" quite nice and sentimental. True, perhaps in a while she wont be able to sing stuff like that at all. But what she has given so far, i repeat no one else has given. Her virtuosity and mastery of Rossini and Baroque coloratura arias are a whole new fresh breath of air. Be that based on a right or wrong technique.
@singingtruth76 I couldn't agree more with you here! At last somebody writes a true intelligent comment about this promoted monster who forgot that baroque and classical art at all is not about producing the ugliest sounds possible and making ugly monkey grimaces competing in it with Cecilia Bartoli, but about BEAUTY! If it hurts Genaux so much when she sings, otherwise she would be a beautiful woman why does she come on stage at all? I don't want to see her AGONY and be in agony myself! Brrrr!!
@xoxtinysingerxox She's doing what an intelligent person with a bit of common sense and, of course, her talent, would do. That is, trying something different. I'm sure her voice and vocal capacities are far better than yours or mine or anyone else's
you got to be kidding me she is doing the coloratura at the front of her mouth it's crutch she can't do the sound from her larynx without moving her mouth like that she's using a V to make the coloratura never seen that that's like Ildebrando d'arcangelo not being able to do coloratura legato it's all staccato. she just looks aweful
Sorry but bartoli is sometimes wrong in the interpretation and she is not perfect , as everybody is !! I like Bartoli in a lot of roles and arias but not all the time !! And she is sometimes unbearable to look when she is moving or grimacing like a removal man that chews tobacco...
I think comparing singers is a bit cruel. I think each one has something to add. Both has strange movements: one is the face, the other is the mouth..I like see Vivica improvising, interpretation...Cecilia on the other hand has the italianish way, the blood, the italian spirit in a Italian aria...also in Agitata, Vivica seems to sing slower than it should be...but thumbs up for both.
Yes, she is far from Bartoli... THANKS GOODNESS! Listen to "Qual guerriero in campo armato" sung by Genaux, it's something that Bartoli, Kermes and all the commercial products like them can only dream of.
Sì, è lontana dalla Bartoli... GRAZIE AL CIELO! Ascoltate "Qual guerriero in campo armato" cantato dalla Genaux, è qualcosa che la Bartoli, Kermes e tutti gli altri prodotti commerciali come loro possono solo sognarsi.
is it beautiful??? or just crazily, insanely fast???? what for? there are some conductors I just don't understand. I find it pity, when it's only about speed. too much coffein or what... :-) to me it feels like waste of beautiful music for some "sportive" ambition.... and for speed: Bravo - very speedy. too speedy..
She's showing everything you shouldn't do when you sing : tension and crispations in the shoulders (often going up) and the jaws, all her face express tension and effort… The eyebrows are going up too.
Moreover the way she sings the "vocalises" makes her look like a hamster !
That must ask her a lot of energy, much more that should normally ask if she could sing it relaxed…
@pierrederhet It's possible… in my voice's range. But I'm not a pro ! Just saying she could really do it more relaxed. Bartoli is better for that, but still lightly tensed.
What an ugly singing and grimaces! She is just competing with Bartoli who sings this great aria uglier, lower and more aggressive! Somebody should remind such women that they are WOMEN and should sing FEMININE, and also to have more respect for great composers! Baroque is first of all about beauty and moving the heart and not showing off their ugly visceral special effects only trying to stir listeners guts. Or they can do it but in a different category - POP interpretations of classics...
Apart from the horrible sound (event hough very clear, I have to admit), when she sings it looks like a rat eating cheese.. Is it necessary to do that? I thought, watching other singers perform this, it was all about the diafram..
I too wonder about the lip and jaw movement. I haven't seen it in other singers and her jaw seems very tense and I wonder if it affects her vocal production. That being said, this woman is a formidable technician and fearless in her singing, and that is not common in this world, especially with such difficult music. I prefer Veronica Cangemi's version on the Spinosi recording: very pure and unforced and sounds more like a 15 year princess might sound (Costanza).
@DanielBaroque I have to say that I also like Cangemi's version a lot....her DaCapo is probably better than Vivica's....Cangemi slows it down and has a huge lyrical momentum there which Vivica could chew on a bit i think...Anna Bonitatibus' is even better...
@bf2019 I have also heard Anna's version, which is extraordinary even with the poor sound quality of the recording, but I have to say that I prefer Veronica's daCapo to Anna's, which is big and exciting, but slightly distracting for my ears. Veronica's approach just seems so natural and of the period, and also the voice quality seems right for the character she sings.
@DanielBaroque I have to say I am Appreciating Veronica Cangemi more and more....I have just discovered her "Ombre Vane" from the same Spinosi recording of Griselda....I think it is one of Vivaldi's very best works, and what Veronica does with it is...Off the Scale!!!...Her "Ombre Vane" is some of the best Vocal Music I have ever heard in my life...check out the elias 12186 upload: it is the best sound quality, very dramatic and beautiful...
@belladenisa sicuramente la mia preparazione e la mia conoscenza è molto più vasta ed acculturata della tua.......non posso accettare che si dicano simili cazzate. La Bartoli strilla punto e basta. Suono stridente? Ma dove? E' morbida come un velluto la sua voce (di Vivica) e poi senti chi parla...il bue che dice cornuto all'asino. Torna a studiare ed ASCOLTARE (soprattutto)
@belladenisa La Bartoli urla solamente e basta non sa cantare come la Vivica, la Joyce di Donato, Patrizia Ciofi o la meravigliosa Invernizzi.....la Bartoli urla solamente
@Sbribri74 meno male che qualcuno concorda con me :) in questi commenti leggo dei commenti troppo negativi sulla Vivica.....se nn vi piace non ascoltatela........
Why is it that most of the time I discover here on You Tube a singer I really like... trolls abound. The self described fans of Callas, Sutherland, and Bartoli are the worst. I don't know if they are really fans or just using the supposed comparisons to hang their venom on display. Come on folks, C, S and B aren't being damaged by singers like Genaux, why do you seem so threatened? Or are you just doing like people who write graffiti on other peoples walls?
Veronica Cangemi also does a credible performance of this Aria....nice also really good colorutura...original ornamentation etc....and civileso includes the score...so very educational relative to Vivica's work here....thanks for posting wienerfr....
@Rhisiart85 IO CREDO KE OGNUNA CANTI NEL MODO IN CUI SI TROVA MEGLIO COMODA... A QUESTO PUNTO DELLA BARTOLI COSA MI DICI? LA GENAUX FA SICURAMENTE MENO SMORFIE DELLA BARTOLI! IL MIO MAESTRO QUANDO MI FA CANTARE NON VUOLE KE IO MUOVA LA BOCCA E LE AGILITA DEVONO ESSERE INTERNE MA CREDIMI NON E FACILE TENERE LA BOCCA FERMA QUANDO SI CANTA!
as a vocalist myself I understand you have get the notes out not matter what your face looks like lol Brava Vivica! I think these musical geniuses often forgot that the vocalist were human lol
@Rhisiart85 Concordo pienamente con Voi.Io che amo in assoluto Vivaldi,mi sono rifiutato di comprare questo cd non avendo mai amato questa cantante!Questa esecuzione la trovo semplicemente terrificante ed improponibile.
Questo è abbaiare!...la coloratura è ben altra cosa.
Watching Vivica's coloratura for weeks : the connections between the comments about her mouth, & what I actually hear, resolved themselves into a few words..I hear a Lucidity, an Articulation & a shear Velocity in Vivica's coloratura unequaled by any other major singer: her lips move precisely hand in hand, sound shaped note for note, with that articulation.. : say to a great violinist: please make those wonderful, lyricical phrases, except I don't want to see you moving the bow next Time ok???
I think she can make her tone as good as it is without doing this with lips because you don't sing with lips...I don't know why is she doing this..maybe because she wants to be different and want that people comment, like we do :)
Please forgive my last comments...I was giggling to had to contain myself....but I do recommend the good listeners to also check out Vivica's other performance of this piece: Paris, Théâtre des Champs Elysées, December 14 2009....Believe it or not the tempo is even faster than this....(the youtube video has a red frontispiece with Vivica's photo only)....and there, her coloratura is definitely more :"Bird Coloratura"....hehe...perhaps as it should be...anyway...enjoy....
Hehheheee.....I am peeing my pants.....everyone has such funny comments about whoever performs this piece....Bartoli...Sumi Jo,...everyone.....but the Funniest i have heard yet....is definitely RABBIT COLORATURA....heheh....I LOVE Vivica Geneux so much....I think she is one of the Best Musicians of our Century....and perhaps one of the best vocal musicians of the last two centurys....and it definitely looks like she is doing Rabbit Coloratura...oh this is so bad...I am so sorry Vivica...dying...
I think it must be part of singing Vivaldi that one must look insane. Genaux isn't singing this aria like Cecilia, but her lip is having a seizure... Hence why so few people can do this music; they don't want to look crazy.
@coryisawake Hehe ....if you are actually for example Bartoli, you will ACTUALLY be having a seizure (so only way to avoid by cheating, losing notes, adding breaths, going stacatti, etc).....if you are actually for example Vivica Genaux, then yes 'appearing' to doing a lot of strange things with your mouth, while actually singing the notes (with amazing expression & articulation) of one of the most difficult pieces of vocal music ever attempted by non castrated human beings....................
@coryisawake what is the point of singing it without looking like having a seizure!? :-)
there are enough pieces for meditation... this is meant by the composer to be a circus number... let there be fun in opera... Tosca's jumping from the castle is just as demented after all... :-))
@coryisawake Vivaldi must have been chuckling as he composed this insane piece of music, thinking about the expressions of those singers who would face this challenge. XD
@HighGuy512 Hehehehe....I think that just what you say is True: Vivaldi specifically composed this work to make all the best singers look really funny....I Love Vivica, however what used to be the top rated comment ..."rabbit colorutura!" surely does look a bit accurate here....please parden me Vivica if you read this....hehe it is not so much about you....as about Vivaldi....
OMFG, is this a popular channel in french tv?, the music splendor on TV?...Mexico is SOOOOOOOOOOO fucked up about music and tv, the best thing we get to see is people doing stupid shit, dancing to stupid horrible so called "music" (a very simple compass n fuckin retarded lyrics, ugly voices n badly arranged instruments)......I'm affraid I'll never get to see something like that on tv here :S:S:S:S:S
@lateralex90 México es lo peor en lo peor, por eso... a lo más que llegamoses a programas como Se Vale, es triste como la falta de cultura en tv esta carcomiento la mente de más y más personas en el país
got to love the faces she pulls ha it is hard to do vibrato as well as pitch changing passages listen to sumi jo sing this haa no ugly faces and perfect pitch with pure vibrato just amazing
This is one of the repertoire's most difficult arias to sing, and Ms. Genaux goes through it with great intelligence and skill. She doesn't always do these jaw movements, this is just very, very difficult. Brava Vivica!
distefano13069609 3 days ago
It's one of the very few times i've seen a singer doing that with her jaw o.o.... it's quite weird... it almost reminds me of Charlotte church -yuck, what an horrible singer :S- but this miss must be 100 times better... of course there must be better ones over there.
whatvs... she looks weird moving her jaw like that D:!
SakumaRyuichiNG 1 week ago
Despite her technique, she is AMAZING
distefano13069609 1 week ago
start it at 2:10 and put it at mute.
distefano13069609 1 week ago
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distefano13069609 1 week ago
Pause at 2:12 lol
poker face!
maracheski 1 week ago
forive me, but her facial expressions are so cute. she looks like a little mouse nibbling on a wedge of cheese. now that i said that, she sounds great. interesting technique.
asdfopera 2 weeks ago
Conductor moves like Pinocchio.
19sp70 2 weeks ago
I'm an instrumentalist, so I don't really know enough to talk about her technique. All I know is she is rushing a whole lot around 1:00, and she looks like a chipmunk. She sounds fantastic though otherwise!
zipzapzop93 2 weeks ago
Bloody hell....What the hell is this woman doing with her jaw and mouth?
Tonioo84 3 weeks ago 3
With so much effort and preoccupation to hit the notes how could she even begin to think about creating a personage on stage or all the nuances of acting?
These were the advances singers made in the 1950s!!
Master technique and be free to elevate the art above merely singing sounds at a particular frequency.
operassassin 3 weeks ago
Who is that ridiculous android going through initial arm movement diagnostic disguised as a conductor? Ah, the French, can't live with them can't kill'em.
PiroozAzDirooz 3 weeks ago
@HeidelbergSoprano Yes that lip/jaw high frequency chop-chop is distracting, but just listen and look only at the parts when the camera shows her beautiful bare back instead. Then it becomes heavenly.
PiroozAzDirooz 3 weeks ago
VIVA BARTOLI ,1000 VOLTE MEGLIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!VIVICA E SOLO UN CONIGLIO ARRABIATO
belladolce100 1 month ago
The Conductor is a badass!
inkedkid13 1 month ago
@HeidelbergSoprano nope, its a very hard technique to learn and it is a recognized vibrato technique but many look down on it as it can be seen as ugly compared to someone who uses a virbato from the diaphragm but it is still a perfectly acceptable vibrato technique
allthenamesrtook 1 month ago
@allthenamesrtook jaw vibrato? Seriously it looks like... meh. 2nd it sounds better or at least this good with diaphragmatic vibrato. I don`t agree it`s hard for some ppl. Some just have that weird jaw... vibrato:)) For those who don`t it is hard, but what`s it`s purpose anyway? And most important.. you can control the frequency diaphragmatic vibrato.. but this not. :)
Serinia4melodic 1 month ago
@Serinia4melodic aha, true, it is easier for a lot of people, and it is for people who either can't do vibrato from the diaphragm but mostly it is a lot more noticeable as it is much stronger in the sound of it, and thats why a lot of people use it because 'normal' vibrato can often be left unheard so a piece sounds rather empty
allthenamesrtook 1 month ago
@Serinia4melodic You shouldn't be doing either of those things to produce vibrato when singing. It's something that just happens when you're singing with correct breath pressure and an open throat/ resonance. If you're doing something to create vibrato you're doing it wrong.
tenor220 3 weeks ago
@tenor220 I agree... since you can`t control the diaphragm.. the brain controls it. But you can control the abdominal muscles to force diaphragmatic breathing... and that is forced vibrato. But in the end in order to create the pressure for singing you still need the diaphragm so it`s her who plays an important part even in natural vibrato.
Serinia4melodic 3 weeks ago
....what is she doing?
JuliaWincent 1 month ago
Once you listen to Cecilia perform this, everyone else cannot compare...
TopandTang 1 month ago
She needs a coat. Apperently it is cold there
erikomertens 1 month ago
@erikomertens je ne saurais mieux dire.....!!!
06ctenor 3 weeks ago
This makes me feel better being thrown in with this vocalist. Maybe I can get with her and she can help me with my "praises of the Lamb". And about the recorder pull up my new Ep The Connection by Trooper Keeton and tell me a real studio isn't a plus. Tk
Picadors65 1 month ago in playlist Terrifying/Hilarious Vocalists
Does anyone else find the conductor's conducting a little hard to follow? Just saying....
Zombiemuffins13 1 month ago
Scary! No, Certified Intergalactic! :-)
Dogaradodia 1 month ago
what the hell is happening with her lips?????? its funny but AWFUL!!!!!!!
ales1329 2 months ago 3
@ales1329 Well, as stated above, it's about technique. It doesn't matter how "awful" she looks doing it, it's how well she can use that technique to get the desired effect.
gildedsinn 1 month ago
@gildedsinn , well let me tell you..she has a really bad technique! she has developed bad habits.for example, the vibrato comes from the vibration of the diaphragm, but she is doing it with her lips.THIS MUSIC IS ABOUT PERFECTION
ales1329 1 month ago 4
@ales1329 And this is just her take on the song, using her own technique to get the desired effect. She still did a good job, whether or not you think she is using a good technique.
gildedsinn 1 month ago
@gildedsinn i can see you have no idea how to sing. there is only one technique you cant create your own technique! and its not an effect!
ales1329 1 month ago 6
@ales1329 She just did :) And thats your opinion, nothing else.
gildedsinn 1 month ago
@ales1329 you clearly have no idea what your talking about there is NOT one technique to singing now even close, each type of vocal voice, i.e tenor and so on use DIFFERENT techniques, this is one of the recognised colotura techniques. also pop starts and different genre singeres all use totally different techniques to each other and before you say i have no clue, im actually a counter tenor and classicaly trained pianist
allthenamesrtook 1 month ago
@ales1329 without technique it´s not possible to sing this aria after 4th bar!!!!!
marinainwonderland 1 month ago
@ales1329 vibrato can actually be done with either the diaphram or slightly closing the vocal chords, vibrating the soft pallet or moving the jaw along with the tongue. they are all PROPPER techniques that any opera singer can use, some opera singers use more than one depending on the particular piece they are singing as each has different qualities suited for particular pieces. DO RESEARCH!!!!!!!!!!!!
allthenamesrtook 1 month ago
@ales1329 Diaphragmatic vibrato often leads to wobbles in the voice as the singer ages.
tenor220 1 month ago
@ales1329 Vibration of the diaphragm?! NO! that is a forced vibrato. You have no clue what you're talking about!
XxWeccaxX 2 weeks ago 2
i rather genaux's 'vavavavava' coloratura, than some of callas' 'hahahahaha' coloratura, callas fans, no offence here but callas had the habit of skipping notes and singing flat
tsuki121tsang 2 months ago
@tsuki121tsang she also had the habit of being the greatest singer ever.
doddsalfa 2 months ago
Allez V-v-v-v-v-v-ivica!!! The conductor is so taken aback by her method that he stops conducting around 1:50. She's fantastic
enyanomics 2 months ago
If you close your eyes, you are saved from a terrible sight...both her seizuring lips and that lime monstrosity. Although I can't say that I even like the sound of her coloratura line, due to the fact that when she moves her lips in that "vavavavavava" manner she does, it dampens her sound.
WaitonAlsoSings 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
Viva Vavavavavaviivica!
Operanobility 3 months ago
Technique is a means to an end - only. I don't care if she wiggles her index finger under her throat to produce vibrato. This is masterful singing.
bigmandrel 3 months ago 14
@bigmandrel Yeah; and the beautiful classically sculptured bare back does not interfere with her 'masterful singing' either.
PiroozAzDirooz 3 weeks ago
@bigmandrel Is ist masterful singing? Why? Not the technique is awful, but the voice is not beautiful at all, she's not very exact at all, and her style doesn't add anything to the aria but it rather has little to do with it. I don't like this showing off of crazy agility, I don't at all.
DiomedesDioscuro 1 day ago
Awful.
ZPTheart32 3 months ago
is she making "vavavavavavavavavavavava" in the coloratura part? terrible, oh.
onotuoedaul 3 months ago
it is really amazing how far you can come with such a bad technique. Look at her! Singing should look pleasant and nice.
Sitronsmak 3 months ago 3
Yo me quedo con la filarmónica.
IIkhronozII 3 months ago
bartoli e molto piu brava
divavolpe 3 months ago
es excelente. por favor dejen de criticar como canta. el canto es sonido no necesariamente visual.
ahmetmedici 3 months ago
@ahmetmedici la mayoría de los que critican no saben de música...
oHitGirlo 1 month ago 2
@oHitGirlo tienes razón
marinainwonderland 1 month ago
parece un castor mordiendo madera o un roedor comiendo queso, no sé
pero suena bien
KriBlackRoson 3 months ago 2
@KriBlackRoson cállate, envidioso.
gustavojoris 3 months ago
soy mujer, no soy envidiosa, para nada =)
Yo digo lo que yo pienso, estoy en mi derecho
tiene una voz increíble, me encanta su sonido, pero me dio la sensación de ver un castor, nunca has visto dibujos animados de animales o qué?
xD
KriBlackRoson 3 months ago
yo me imaginaba que de repente caia desmayada la pobre, canta bien pero la boca la pone horrible!!!!
lombardojosue 3 months ago
totalmente horrible, la verdad que tiene muy mala gesticulación!!!
lombardojosue 3 months ago
osadas variaciones en el último tramo que sortea con cierta dificultad, pero bien. no la ayuda la emisión, por momentos se le nota en la coloratura que el movimiento involuntario que tiene en labios afecta la emisión. De momento quizá no sea muy grosero, esperemos que no lo sea a futuro
Anibaal 3 months ago
cuanta estupidez. no se trata si nos gusta verla o lo que hace con los labios. el canto es voz . No espetáculo. su técnica es estupenda.
ahmetmedici 4 months ago
jejeje igual por momentos parece curli cu
Anibaal 3 months ago
bartoli es la mejor
RACHELGOTIK 4 months ago
Couldn't imagine a worse and more disturbing vocal technique than hers. Not to talk about the complete lack of style with "ornamentations", random notes would have better chances to be more appropriate. What about having a quick look at all the treatises on vocal technique from either XVII and XVIII century? Like Tosi's or Mancini's both recommending to sing keeping the mouth as more natural as possible "in shape of pleasant smile"...
singingtruth76 4 months ago
@singingtruth76 Opera is enough conservative as it is ( the fact it is indeed opera music, aeons old is conservative). I do not doubt singing is not only about sound, and also about looks, but focus on the sound! How many mezzos are there out there singing as clearly, agily and easily as her? Have you heard her Rossini? She is by many experts considered the Marylin Horne of now! Any idea how big and skilled you need to be to just be compared to her, let alone considered exactly as good as her?
killerbunny123123 4 months ago
@killerbunny123123 To me it's not a matter of look, elegance, style, conservation or whatsoever. As I wrote previously I believe that the inappropriate and disturbing movements of her jaw are just the most obvious evidence of a wrong singing technique. The best proof of that is that nowadays she's totally unable to sing one single middle-range note lasting more than 2 secs (like a "filato" or a "messa di voce") without her jaw starts shaking and the voice fluttering That's all of it.
singingtruth76 3 months ago
@singingtruth76 Well, at this point remains the question, better be right but medium skilled, or be wrong and extraordinarily skilled? I think she chose to sacrifice the balance of a couple middle range notes to achieve speed, clarity flexibility no one else has ever achieved.
killerbunny123123 3 months ago
@killerbunny123123 Perhaps I was not clear enough: I think Ms Genaux is a skilled person who happened to bild up a reputation as a specialist of virtuosity on the base of a wrong technique that now allows her only to sing "fast and furious". Now she's not able any longer to sing expressive, slow arias (have you heard her singing any of that recently?) and I'm afraid that unfortunately in a few years she won't be able to sing at all.
singingtruth76 3 months ago
@singingtruth76 Hmmm...well i find her "sposa son disprezzata" quite nice and sentimental. True, perhaps in a while she wont be able to sing stuff like that at all. But what she has given so far, i repeat no one else has given. Her virtuosity and mastery of Rossini and Baroque coloratura arias are a whole new fresh breath of air. Be that based on a right or wrong technique.
killerbunny123123 3 months ago
@singingtruth76 I couldn't agree more with you here! At last somebody writes a true intelligent comment about this promoted monster who forgot that baroque and classical art at all is not about producing the ugliest sounds possible and making ugly monkey grimaces competing in it with Cecilia Bartoli, but about BEAUTY! If it hurts Genaux so much when she sings, otherwise she would be a beautiful woman why does she come on stage at all? I don't want to see her AGONY and be in agony myself! Brrrr!!
serenaluce 3 months ago
what the hell is she doing with her lips!?
xoxtinysingerxox 4 months ago
@xoxtinysingerxox She's doing what an intelligent person with a bit of common sense and, of course, her talent, would do. That is, trying something different. I'm sure her voice and vocal capacities are far better than yours or mine or anyone else's
lapressemusicale 4 months ago
What the hell is she doing with her lips?
xoxtinysingerxox 4 months ago
noob!!
viva bartoli
arkicreativo 4 months ago
noob!!
arkicreativo 4 months ago
Is she cold.....? :DDD
FadoPrimavera 4 months ago
Vivica is hot.
mtrzzz 4 months ago
formidable...!!!! Also Bartoli is good, but she is not the only one...!
wotanBrunhilde 4 months ago
you got to be kidding me she is doing the coloratura at the front of her mouth it's crutch she can't do the sound from her larynx without moving her mouth like that she's using a V to make the coloratura never seen that that's like Ildebrando d'arcangelo not being able to do coloratura legato it's all staccato. she just looks aweful
geekbaritone 4 months ago
Sorry but bartoli is sometimes wrong in the interpretation and she is not perfect , as everybody is !! I like Bartoli in a lot of roles and arias but not all the time !! And she is sometimes unbearable to look when she is moving or grimacing like a removal man that chews tobacco...
piccolofred 5 months ago
@piccolofred ma per favore, cosa dici??? oh please, what do you saying??
Fluzza89 4 months ago
Puedo escucharla, pero es imposible verla, qué horror quién le enseño esa cosa horrible que hace con la boca???
luisalandaeta 5 months ago 2
THAT LIP SHACKING IS AN ABSOLUTE MESS I JUST THINK ITS POOR TECHNIQUE I DONT UNDERSTAND IT AT ALL....
CECILIA BARTOLI!!!!!!! IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
immature0916 5 months ago
This is AMAZING LIVE SInging if ever you heard it!!!
antistry 5 months ago
AND: who is anna netrebko??? ;-)
RowanIvy 5 months ago
this woman is adorable!!!
RowanIvy 5 months ago
viva bartoli!
enzerinckful 5 months ago 11
@enzerinckful ¬¬
guitarquetzalcoatl 1 month ago
j'connais dautres versions de cette arie avec moins dinstruments, mais beaucpu plus de force
omoshiroidayo 5 months ago
I Dont Understand The Lip Shacking Thing Isnt That A Sign Of Bad Technique
immature0916 5 months ago 3
OOO MMM GGG!!!
mrharpsi 5 months ago
I think comparing singers is a bit cruel. I think each one has something to add. Both has strange movements: one is the face, the other is the mouth..I like see Vivica improvising, interpretation...Cecilia on the other hand has the italianish way, the blood, the italian spirit in a Italian aria...also in Agitata, Vivica seems to sing slower than it should be...but thumbs up for both.
danielmedeiros81 6 months ago
Yes, she is far from Bartoli... THANKS GOODNESS! Listen to "Qual guerriero in campo armato" sung by Genaux, it's something that Bartoli, Kermes and all the commercial products like them can only dream of.
Sì, è lontana dalla Bartoli... GRAZIE AL CIELO! Ascoltate "Qual guerriero in campo armato" cantato dalla Genaux, è qualcosa che la Bartoli, Kermes e tutti gli altri prodotti commerciali come loro possono solo sognarsi.
3F93 6 months ago
WWO WHAT A HELL!!!! OMG, She wants to be Bartoli... She's crazy....
wilhelmlds 6 months ago
is it beautiful??? or just crazily, insanely fast???? what for? there are some conductors I just don't understand. I find it pity, when it's only about speed. too much coffein or what... :-) to me it feels like waste of beautiful music for some "sportive" ambition.... and for speed: Bravo - very speedy. too speedy..
kadeczka 6 months ago
BRAVISSIMA !!!!!!!!!!
9bibisol 6 months ago
She's very far from Cecila...
lisaveg1 6 months ago
She's showing everything you shouldn't do when you sing : tension and crispations in the shoulders (often going up) and the jaws, all her face express tension and effort… The eyebrows are going up too.
Moreover the way she sings the "vocalises" makes her look like a hamster !
That must ask her a lot of energy, much more that should normally ask if she could sing it relaxed…
Rakeesh84 6 months ago
@Rakeesh84 SO... Try to do the same!!!
pierrederhet 6 months ago
@pierrederhet It's possible… in my voice's range. But I'm not a pro ! Just saying she could really do it more relaxed. Bartoli is better for that, but still lightly tensed.
Rakeesh84 6 months ago
Cecilia Bartoli FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cats79 6 months ago
What an ugly singing and grimaces! She is just competing with Bartoli who sings this great aria uglier, lower and more aggressive! Somebody should remind such women that they are WOMEN and should sing FEMININE, and also to have more respect for great composers! Baroque is first of all about beauty and moving the heart and not showing off their ugly visceral special effects only trying to stir listeners guts. Or they can do it but in a different category - POP interpretations of classics...
serenaluce 6 months ago
Ridicule.
tysa888 6 months ago
Tra lei e la Bartoli non so quale sia la peggiore
Megacle87 6 months ago
No one like Cecilia. PUNKT.
vafancULLO11 6 months ago
Veronica has a much less powerful voice than Vivica, that you should also take into account when comparing these two singers
geduld0 6 months ago
Apart from the horrible sound (event hough very clear, I have to admit), when she sings it looks like a rat eating cheese.. Is it necessary to do that? I thought, watching other singers perform this, it was all about the diafram..
LiliSevAutumn 7 months ago
Incredible technique, wonderfull voice, Brilliant performance! Thx for uploading!
kingturtje 7 months ago
BRAVOOOO!!!!!!!!!
ModeModeMode63 7 months ago
I too wonder about the lip and jaw movement. I haven't seen it in other singers and her jaw seems very tense and I wonder if it affects her vocal production. That being said, this woman is a formidable technician and fearless in her singing, and that is not common in this world, especially with such difficult music. I prefer Veronica Cangemi's version on the Spinosi recording: very pure and unforced and sounds more like a 15 year princess might sound (Costanza).
DanielBaroque 7 months ago
@DanielBaroque I have to say that I also like Cangemi's version a lot....her DaCapo is probably better than Vivica's....Cangemi slows it down and has a huge lyrical momentum there which Vivica could chew on a bit i think...Anna Bonitatibus' is even better...
bf2019 7 months ago
@bf2019 I have also heard Anna's version, which is extraordinary even with the poor sound quality of the recording, but I have to say that I prefer Veronica's daCapo to Anna's, which is big and exciting, but slightly distracting for my ears. Veronica's approach just seems so natural and of the period, and also the voice quality seems right for the character she sings.
DanielBaroque 7 months ago
@DanielBaroque I have to say I am Appreciating Veronica Cangemi more and more....I have just discovered her "Ombre Vane" from the same Spinosi recording of Griselda....I think it is one of Vivaldi's very best works, and what Veronica does with it is...Off the Scale!!!...Her "Ombre Vane" is some of the best Vocal Music I have ever heard in my life...check out the elias 12186 upload: it is the best sound quality, very dramatic and beautiful...
bf2019 7 months ago
lmao xD I think she is cold...
Ericajt09 7 months ago
Terrible. Her interpretation gets me angry.
FloripanoBR 7 months ago
Can't quite think why this video makes me think of Flopsy my pet rabbit.
darkendank 7 months ago
@belladenisa sicuramente la mia preparazione e la mia conoscenza è molto più vasta ed acculturata della tua.......non posso accettare che si dicano simili cazzate. La Bartoli strilla punto e basta. Suono stridente? Ma dove? E' morbida come un velluto la sua voce (di Vivica) e poi senti chi parla...il bue che dice cornuto all'asino. Torna a studiare ed ASCOLTARE (soprattutto)
ziocarino850 8 months ago
@belladenisa ascolta "Venti turbini" cantata dalla Vivica e poi dalla Bartoli......poi mi saprai dire
ziocarino850 8 months ago
@belladenisa La Bartoli urla solamente e basta non sa cantare come la Vivica, la Joyce di Donato, Patrizia Ciofi o la meravigliosa Invernizzi.....la Bartoli urla solamente
ziocarino850 8 months ago 2
@ziocarino850 sono completamente d'accordo con te!
Sbribri74 1 month ago
@Sbribri74 meno male che qualcuno concorda con me :) in questi commenti leggo dei commenti troppo negativi sulla Vivica.....se nn vi piace non ascoltatela........
ziocarino850 1 month ago
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TheRonaldbegg 8 months ago
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TheRonaldbegg 8 months ago
Too many comments from 'non' Opera folks!! Tune out to LadyGaga
TheRonaldbegg 8 months ago
Why is it that most of the time I discover here on You Tube a singer I really like... trolls abound. The self described fans of Callas, Sutherland, and Bartoli are the worst. I don't know if they are really fans or just using the supposed comparisons to hang their venom on display. Come on folks, C, S and B aren't being damaged by singers like Genaux, why do you seem so threatened? Or are you just doing like people who write graffiti on other peoples walls?
MrHbc3 8 months ago
I HATE THE DIRECTOR, !!!! IS LIKE A PERSON WITH PARKINSON!!!!
dannben 8 months ago
Veronica Cangemi also does a credible performance of this Aria....nice also really good colorutura...original ornamentation etc....and civileso includes the score...so very educational relative to Vivica's work here....thanks for posting wienerfr....
bf2019 8 months ago
@Rhisiart85 si....un giudizio a minuto 3:54....mmmmmm
bf2019 8 months ago
@Rhisiart85 IO CREDO KE OGNUNA CANTI NEL MODO IN CUI SI TROVA MEGLIO COMODA... A QUESTO PUNTO DELLA BARTOLI COSA MI DICI? LA GENAUX FA SICURAMENTE MENO SMORFIE DELLA BARTOLI! IL MIO MAESTRO QUANDO MI FA CANTARE NON VUOLE KE IO MUOVA LA BOCCA E LE AGILITA DEVONO ESSERE INTERNE MA CREDIMI NON E FACILE TENERE LA BOCCA FERMA QUANDO SI CANTA!
emilytransex 8 months ago
as a vocalist myself I understand you have get the notes out not matter what your face looks like lol Brava Vivica! I think these musical geniuses often forgot that the vocalist were human lol
afrolatino06 8 months ago
I absolutely can not stand this version. The way she sings this SOUNDS (I don't care how it looks) so terrible and really does it a disservice.
therising1 8 months ago
I think it's impossible to sing this song without looking like you're on crack.
fightthespoons 8 months ago
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Alexmeister25 8 months ago
@Rhisiart85 Concordo pienamente con Voi.Io che amo in assoluto Vivaldi,mi sono rifiutato di comprare questo cd non avendo mai amato questa cantante!Questa esecuzione la trovo semplicemente terrificante ed improponibile.
Questo è abbaiare!...la coloratura è ben altra cosa.
Phebus74 8 months ago
VOFF VOFF VOFF! barks like a dog!
MrBreezer76 8 months ago
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MrBreezer76 8 months ago
Well I might be laughing my butt off at her but she's still making more money than I am.
Tatlone 8 months ago
perfetta... voce, tecnica, fisico tutto
Agmiskac 8 months ago
Watching Vivica's coloratura for weeks : the connections between the comments about her mouth, & what I actually hear, resolved themselves into a few words..I hear a Lucidity, an Articulation & a shear Velocity in Vivica's coloratura unequaled by any other major singer: her lips move precisely hand in hand, sound shaped note for note, with that articulation.. : say to a great violinist: please make those wonderful, lyricical phrases, except I don't want to see you moving the bow next Time ok???
bf2019 9 months ago 32
I think she can make her tone as good as it is without doing this with lips because you don't sing with lips...I don't know why is she doing this..maybe because she wants to be different and want that people comment, like we do :)
amillia007 9 months ago
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amillia007 9 months ago
Genaux has an incredible voice.. but, in my opinion, WRONG SONG!!! lol
mashandabears 9 months ago
Please forgive my last comments...I was giggling to had to contain myself....but I do recommend the good listeners to also check out Vivica's other performance of this piece: Paris, Théâtre des Champs Elysées, December 14 2009....Believe it or not the tempo is even faster than this....(the youtube video has a red frontispiece with Vivica's photo only)....and there, her coloratura is definitely more :"Bird Coloratura"....hehe...perhaps as it should be...anyway...enjoy....
bf2019 9 months ago
Hehheheee.....I am peeing my pants.....everyone has such funny comments about whoever performs this piece....Bartoli...Sumi Jo,...everyone.....but the Funniest i have heard yet....is definitely RABBIT COLORATURA....heheh....I LOVE Vivica Geneux so much....I think she is one of the Best Musicians of our Century....and perhaps one of the best vocal musicians of the last two centurys....and it definitely looks like she is doing Rabbit Coloratura...oh this is so bad...I am so sorry Vivica...dying...
bf2019 9 months ago
damn, is she cold????
BlackThunder1707 9 months ago 2
I think it must be part of singing Vivaldi that one must look insane. Genaux isn't singing this aria like Cecilia, but her lip is having a seizure... Hence why so few people can do this music; they don't want to look crazy.
sam1322xx 9 months ago
Can no one sing this music without looking like their having a seizure?
coryisawake 9 months ago 30
@coryisawake yes, Sumi Jo.
WorldCupSeoul 9 months ago
@coryisawake I don't think so... lol
verdinfishy 8 months ago
@coryisawake Hehe ....if you are actually for example Bartoli, you will ACTUALLY be having a seizure (so only way to avoid by cheating, losing notes, adding breaths, going stacatti, etc).....if you are actually for example Vivica Genaux, then yes 'appearing' to doing a lot of strange things with your mouth, while actually singing the notes (with amazing expression & articulation) of one of the most difficult pieces of vocal music ever attempted by non castrated human beings....................
bf2019 8 months ago
@coryisawake what is the point of singing it without looking like having a seizure!? :-)
there are enough pieces for meditation... this is meant by the composer to be a circus number... let there be fun in opera... Tosca's jumping from the castle is just as demented after all... :-))
MariaCaIIas 8 months ago
@coryisawake you try not to and you let us know?
eustazio 7 months ago
@coryisawake Vivaldi must have been chuckling as he composed this insane piece of music, thinking about the expressions of those singers who would face this challenge. XD
HighGuy512 6 months ago
@HighGuy512 Hehehehe....I think that just what you say is True: Vivaldi specifically composed this work to make all the best singers look really funny....I Love Vivica, however what used to be the top rated comment ..."rabbit colorutura!" surely does look a bit accurate here....please parden me Vivica if you read this....hehe it is not so much about you....as about Vivaldi....
bf2019 6 months ago
@coryisawake you should definitely try
postpositivist 6 months ago
@coryisawake Why ever should you care? I'm not an expert but thus must be f... difficult.
GraceTemptation 6 months ago
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@coryisawake give it a shot. Maybe you can be the first.
gameloveblog 6 months ago
@coryisawake
you try
qyzuf 5 months ago
What the hell is she doing with her lips???
MaxLuetgendorff 9 months ago
Incredible, but also hilarious! I peed a little.
WaitonAlsoSings 9 months ago
Why is she chewing or lip-trilling her coloratura passages? Truly bizarre.
Shahrdad 9 months ago
LMAO! she's like the fast forwarded version of dog barking or what. xD
m213m2 9 months ago
The lip thing....
chichi123xx 9 months ago
That thing she does with her lips is absolutely bizarre.
thecritiquevirtuoso 9 months ago 2
well she's no Cecilia Bartoli...
stompyhollo 9 months ago in playlist Fun
OMFG, is this a popular channel in french tv?, the music splendor on TV?...Mexico is SOOOOOOOOOOO fucked up about music and tv, the best thing we get to see is people doing stupid shit, dancing to stupid horrible so called "music" (a very simple compass n fuckin retarded lyrics, ugly voices n badly arranged instruments)......I'm affraid I'll never get to see something like that on tv here :S:S:S:S:S
lateralex90 9 months ago
@lateralex90 México es lo peor en lo peor, por eso... a lo más que llegamoses a programas como Se Vale, es triste como la falta de cultura en tv esta carcomiento la mente de más y más personas en el país
MoniXcullen2695 9 months ago
got to love the faces she pulls ha it is hard to do vibrato as well as pitch changing passages listen to sumi jo sing this haa no ugly faces and perfect pitch with pure vibrato just amazing
allthenamesrtook 9 months ago
@allthenamesrtook but sumi jo's words get all tangled together into one long syllable at some parts =[ unfortunate
penguinpenguin007 9 months ago
@penguinpenguin007 ahh true but sumi jo does have the better singing technique and sounds better in my opion
allthenamesrtook 9 months ago