Radical air powered flight simulator motion base

[Hannible100]

What happens if your a fat 300lb bastard?

[stancurtin]

@Hannible100 HAHAHA. You can ride too! With the full fiberglass hood on, the machine got a little sluggish with riders over 250 pounds. But, without the hood (as seen here), 300 pounds was no prob.

Also, we are running the cylinders with a compressor that produces 150 psi. The machine itself can actually be run at up to 250 psi. SO, by just using a higher psi compressor, we should be able to rock and roll!!! Thanks!

[JohnisoneGR]

Enable antialiasing please!

[harveylopezt]

looks from 60's ...

[TheCrazymonkey501]

how did i get here?

[bmcclintic83]

MaxFlight for life!  hee aww!!

[koreyokeenelove]

looks to cramped!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stancurtin]

@koreyokeenelove HAHA. Well, I always thought like a fighter plane. :-)

Thanks.

[nazaxprime]

@stancurtin Wait... I have made many a combat aircraft, and I never met one that thought... fascinating!

[mcpandawaffle]

This is the stuff they should have at chucky chesse >:D

[alsh2010]

Rolls, especially of that magnitude, make not much sense in a chair like this. The forces on your body are quite wrong compared to an aircraft in motion. I know it's just for fun and it's probably more exciting compared to sitting in front of a dead table with a joystick, but still....

[stancurtin]

@alsh2010 Thanks, yes, correct G forces are difficult to simulate. Fortunately for simulation, visual cuing is so dominant, that you really do experience a surprisingly strong feeling of acceleration in any direction based on the visuals alone. The best simulators do not translate joystick motion into seat motion, nor do they match angle to angle with the screen.  The most realistic ride is when accelerations are calculated and synced, which this sim does reasonably well.

[agamo4]

how can I teleport like that

[tjd1985]

I'd rather have his ability to teleport.

[fats699]

is that a oops at 2:08 the rotation ram :)

[stancurtin]

@fats699 That does look scary, but it's normal. When the chain moves, the no load side of the chain sometimes bends inward, and the cylinder is mounted on a pivot to follow this.

This seat was the prototype. On the production seats, we added a chain tensioner so that it always stayed straight. That said, the seat in the video gave over 40,000 rides in that configuration without a single mechanical problem. It's still going strong today...

[JerryLawsMartin]

D:



[ETonZan]

where can I find more information about this?

[stancurtin]

@ETonZan You could write me at nooncomp at yahoo dot com

[ETonZan]

dear santa...

[airloo]

i want buy that so baldy... where can i get that? pls email me

thank



[afgrocks123]

You could make a good magician instead XD

[noonco]

@afgrocks123 Thanks!!!!

[afgrocks123]

@noonco :)

[vkn128]

hahahahahah....hohohoho....heh­eheheheh hoohooohoohoo haahahahahahahahhahahahahah

[vkn128]

ha hahahahahaha.....omg

[vkn128]

At 180 deg....you will be seeing heaven....,you could have gone further or pl come out with a "chair " that rotates....360 deg.....honestly tell me which airplane tilts at 180 degrees...but for military aircraft...

[NestoreG75]

@vkn128 and out from under the slime come all the useless morons. Here's a tiny list to get you started, go back to school and graduate.

Cessna 150 Aerobat, Pitts Specials, Sukhoi SU's, Yak 5's, Sbach 342's, Extra's and Caps.

[vkn128]

@NestoreG75 you r correct dude...though you scold me I don't mind...still you are of my opinion...I agree as you agree for military the put you with all kinda motions includin 360 d ok....any way nice of you to scold me back for my mild ,jovial comment...keep your temper always high and keep blowing...Happy ,hot 2012

[KiriouSs]

technology is getting scary...

[XXSLIPKNOTFAN88]

*Reaches for barf bag*

[GTOTechnology]

*gets in*

*falls out*

[guisantenuclear]

DEAR SANTA....

[1sum41]

so where do i get one?

[braya2s]

deseguro esta jugando super mario bros en una super nintendo

[djplace16]

its a sex machine

[manilovevideogames]

try to crash



[Rudie2106]

Dear Dear Best Santa.....please

[Mupp1t]

Sitting like that makes me feel like I'm going to blow a huge fart and take off

[bubvester]

theres just no need to teleport that much

[JABO8907]

dear santa...

[Oddjob23747]

This is the most 90's thing I've seen since.....the 90's.

[Seerofderp]

Do a barrel roll.

[stancurtin]

@Seerofderp Thanks. The reason for the behind the seat rotation point was so that you could do just that. But, our insurance company said "it it rolls, you're not insured." So, roll is "limited" to about 185 degrees. IT would be easy to modify for a full roll though... :-) Thanks!

[anthrax70]

@stancurtin fuck insurance. do a barrel role.

[SVPrelude]

@Seerofderp lol I don't think he got it.

[Seerofderp]

@SVPrelude I know. D:

[joetylerdale]

Are you manufacturing this? Is there a retail date? Are you selling distributer rights? PLEASE TELL ME IF THIS WILL EVER BE SOLD!

[TVPOLY]

I WANT THIS HOW MUTCH

[TheNirvanaisgod]

Think i seen this porn.

[TheSeasmy]

it has pedals not rudder controllers? LOL is it a plane sim or a car sim

[stancurtin]

@TheSeasmy It has two pedals configured as rudder pedals just like an aircraft. It really does build up your "stick and rudder" coordination in a short time. We had several students who trained in the sim tell us their instructors were amazed when they flew for the first time and already could fly a cross wind correction by feel! So, their instructors didn't have to keep telling them to "stomp the ball!" like mine used to. HAHA.

[mechmove]

looks like it simulates attitude, but does it also impose g's from acceleration?

[stancurtin]

@mechmove Not significantly, though you certainly feel the "swooping" feeling when pitching up (unlike most sims). Because the virtual reality goggles (or the full hood that I also have for it) block out all outside visual cues, it's surprising how powerful the feeling of flight is just from the visuals. This is one complaint I have with other sims that just mount a monitor in front of a moving chair. All sims that do that are useless for simulating the feeling you are flying.

[brickceo]

@mechmove My thinking is to "impose G's" wouldn't you need a lot more movement like the old 1940's g force simulators?

[BengyLamb]

I'd probably shit myself the first few times.

[nathan98900]

does it go upside down??? :s

[stancurtin]

@nathan98900 It was designed with that mount to go fully inverted, but our insurance company said "if it goes upside down, it's not insured." So, we limit it to about 170 degrees at max. But, it would require very little modification for full invert...

[stancurtin]

@agustindelrio55 I am Lord Raiden!

[1ramus1]

Sorry.

Do you have a question difficult to answer???

[Cryton12345]

That looks so cool, lol

[derrawhide]

damn thats a sweet thing i would sell my wife for it lol

[58jtaylor]

Awesome, how much?

[stancurtin]

@58jtaylor After running the basic platform for several years myself, a company named Motion Vision in San Diego now makes them. I think their target price was around 12k with everything, but they may have changed that up or down?!?!

They'd given over 40,000 rides in the first unit by the end of the year and it was still going strong... Lots of fun!

Thanks! Walt

[sanluisskywatch]

@stancurtin This thing looks awesome.. This looks like exactly what I need to forget about the loss of our Constitution, the designed economic collapse, and all the weather modification in the sky!

Thanks for the info!

[stancurtin]

@sanluisskywatch That's what flying, virtual or otherwise is for. :-)

[CanItYouFish]

Why does he have to teleport around the device?

[alex46215]

@CanItYouFish

Because...they jus discovered how to use this piece of video editing..and decide to KILL IT.

[stancurtin]

Re: Barrel roll.

That was the orihinal plan, and the reason for suspending the seat from that point. It IS possible to rig it for a roll, and to use a laptop onboard for graphics (so no wires to twist). However. our insurance company said "if it rolls, you are not insured." We're living in the days of liability unfortunately. But, it still feels like a full roll when the goggles tell your eyes you're rolling!

[waldropij]

Do a barrel roll

[tonytor53]

There is a new trial of a device that generates impulses and connects to the the head, behind the ears and directly acts on the structure of the semicircular canals (balance - position). This will give you the full 360 degree sensation in the X, Y, Z axis but also, most important the sense of acceleration and weightlessness. Have you ever known anyone with labyrintitis? Well this will be "controlled labiryntitis". Probably a good 10 year away from marketting. though!

[stancurtin]

@tonytor53 That's neat.  I think all reality will be virtual reality someday, if it isn't already. :-)

[oddball354]

Omg where can I get?

[groomlake67]

omg....now thats what I call a Sigfred and Roy jacket ... LOL

And the cheesy video effects :)))))

[waltibaba]

Degrees of motion and degrees of freedom are not the same. "Simulators in the past have specified 6-12 degrees of motion" that is outright incorrect. They have specified 6 degrees of freedom maybe, but they all have a range of more than 12 degrees in those directions. degrees of freedom are the axes that you are free to move or rotate along, and since there are only 3 axes, the max is 6 degrees of freedom.

[jammybizzle666]

great job

[electroneticTV]

cool effects bro

[polymomial]

This thing will stand you on your head

[DementoX666]

wow how did they get raiden for this promo?....

[Slackbaz]

Did they got all that stuff in the 80's`? o,O

[TheeOz]

looks amazing when is it on the market?

[xblackhawk91x]

this looks like it was made in the 80's

[golf1664]

@xblackhawk91x

maybe he thinks he's in top gun hahaha

[ZzRvXzZ]

Stop teleporting please, dude.

[tatakiboy]

Congratulations Walt Noon.........u have by far the best motion simulator that i have seen yet on the web.....But can u plz if u have not already , post a clip of what u see when when u have the Vizor or hood down and how closely does it match what's being display'ed on screen...........None the less i think u have done a excellent job & would like to follow any progress u might have made since & if u have a web site ,could u plz forward me the details.....!

[noonco]

Thank you!

The feel is very close to actual motion, though I "hot rodded" it up a bit because I like a radical ride. :-) From the software, you can set the range to extreme, or gentle.

There is a bubble at the end of the video with a link to some of these simulators in the field that shows the goggle view.

I don't think VR goggles are very good. And, I've even worn the 200,000 dollar goggles the military uses. The problem is, they are not imersive my opinion. But, still VERY fun!

[AntDX316]

I think it's not fast enough to turn. Like say if your in an F18 and you start doing a lot of turns or you in an A10 and you pull too much G and the aircraft starts to spin out of control it won't match the brutality of the acceleration.

[xDRyexD]

OMG THE GUY IS TELEPORTING!

[drunkdude86]

WHERE CAN YOU BUY ONE OF THESE?!?!?!?!?!

[shoopwhoopX]

doesn it have ace combat?

[ZippoZappata]

That's so strange that it must come from the usa :D. I really like that....greetings from germany.

[dltodd1966]

I like the concept and appreciate that anyone would attempt to design a device like this in an economy that restricts the spending habits of many who would normally purchase something like this. I only wish I could afford it. Good luck in marketing this very unique product.

[wardogmobius]

Can you build a racing simulator using this technology?

[000terminator]

gonna get this for when ace combat assult horizons comes out XP

[Noimnotthatguy]

but will it blend

[Cunelito]

I don't understand something.

When u move the joystick to the right, shouldn't the rig go left and vice versa?

Very nice platform btw. /thumbs up

[airste172]

Is the motion in this machine programmed to produce a sensory effect that's similar to what would be experienced in a real aircraft or does the motion simply follow the attitude of the aircraft in relation to the ground? If it's the latter, then I don't expect the "feel" to be realistic to anyone but those who have never flown a plane. An experience that's no more authentic than a coin-operated kiddie ride.

[stancurtin]

@airste172 All the best simulation programming is based on acceleration, and NOT just moving the platform with the joystick. (As you point out, this is a common novice error.) The programming on this simulator lands in between... It does NOT simply move with the joystick, it reads screen position data from the software and matches feel as you suggest. Some "arcade" players were shocked when they moved the stick and the platform moved a different way (as the aircraft did),

[stancurtin]

@airste172 But, what I meant by "in between" is that ultimately I graphed what felt right to ME, and then mapped that into the software. SO, I did fudge a technical algorithm with what "felt right" to me. :-)

[airste172]

@stancurtin Your honest and straight forward answer is very much appreciated. Thank you! :)

[stancurtin]

@airste172 Thanks for bringing up an interesting point!!!

[MrEvans794]

@airste172

i Wonder if you could help me i am after one of your Radical flight sim bases

i am very into flight sim and i have been after something like this for a long time

it would be great if you could advise me how much this would cost and where to get one from in live in the uk

thank you .

[flexyco]

Cool machine! but can it simulate the roll rate of a FW190A?

[ercoleferrari]

where can i buy one??????????????????? or how can i get the plans to build one, congratulations great job!

[stevoh11182]

Hello 1980.

[inthesky666]

dear santa

[leebog31]

This must be a speilburg production.

[wastadkey]

Could you tell me the specs of the cylinder and were you could purchase one? Thanks in advance!!

[FireOfEire]

Heya, I'm running FSX now but it appears to rely on my CPU a lot instead of my video card and although that wouldn't be a problem normally, I also installed REX 2.0 which enhances the visuals. Do you know if there'll be a new MS Flight Simulator? Are you going to the market with this? Looks like you did an awesome job!

[noonco]

Thanks. This design is a few years old, and worked with older versions (2002) of MSFS as well as Combat sim and X-Plane and a few others.

Its largely used as entertainment these days (not training) and usually run as a "ride only."

Yes, these are currently marketed inside the industry.

Thanks so much fr your compliments!

[wastadkey]

thanks man..any idea were 2 buy 1??

[wastadkey]

If you use potentiometers with feedback, it comes with three wires, what sort of interface would you need to send feedback back to the computer

[noonco]

Feedback goes to an analog to digital converter that changes the voltage from the pot to value that can be read by the computer's serial port.

[411Taker]

скок стоит это судо?

[orion1077]

walk around you arse! keep the teleport for when you're crashing...haaaha

[footballward]

that effect with you dissolving with the sparks is very annoying

[gunhimdown]

so 90's

[jakylili]

that was such a cheesy presentation...bad green screen...but crazy ass productLol

[issueagent]

Where can i purchase this?

[piromoretta]

holy crap

[BiggCleve2]

nice

[michelesestu]

wow, this guy rematerialize himself like a charm!

[BiggCleve2]

lol

[kingmcbrian]

i want it. whens it hitting shops??? O.O

[base2final36]

That's awesome! Will this be in production soon?

[skisteepndeep]

great job, good to see american ingenuity is alive and well

[stancurtin]

Thanks so much! It IS hard to "build 'em here" these days, but I think we can still out work any of them. :-)

[redghost105]

@stancurtin how much do these things sell for?

[audiojester]

What would it cost to build this? Also, what are the specs on this? I am going to be building something but what Im wanting to build is more RACE oriented vs flight. However if this performs very well I would build something like this. ALSO was wondering how you would get the feedback movements to the chair from the computer...

[stancurtin]

I spent about 5K on it (parts only, computer included).

It's not optimum for a race simulator, though it has been used for that. The response is too smooth, so it feels like you're flying, not bumping along in a car.

Feedback was accomplished with pots. The computer monitors platform position and updates motion20 times each second!

Thanks.

[SimbolRides]

Looks expensive....As far as you building your own simulator, check out the x-sim software, that's probably how the RAPFSMB does it. All you need is one serial port pin to a microcontroller that manages your "servos".

[DGMRuadeil]

@audiojester as a university project we worked on a similar flight simulator which uses the same principle movements as this one does. We did it for about 600$ in total using 2nd hand parts (festo pneumatics), computer excluded

[jerryku]

@DGMRuadeil are any motion simulators available for purchase?

[DGMRuadeil]

@jerryku i dont know to be honest. We only build 1, and it will be used for promotional purposes by the school

[juzzlookin]

The steelwork looks a bit flimsy, I'll bet you beef it up a bit to overcome fatigue and bounce. The PC bit is pretty much a done deal nowdays, but mechanical reliability always seem to be the designers weak point. Nice concept though.

[stancurtin]

It does look spindely (sp) but it really is pretty robust even with a dynamic load. It passed OSHA's toughest engineering inspection for use in California fairs, and has given over 40,000 rides to date!

Thanks!

[ggrizzle]

nice...this is a very well designed simulator one of the best I've seen to date. Good Job.

[noonco]

Thanks!

[Agent739]

A I like this its pretty compact. i am no expert on motion control but it looks very well done. What is the cost of a system like this?

[audiojester]

I dont think too many spins is possible before your CORDS get twisted... cough wireless? What games does it play?

[stancurtin]

Part of the idea of the design was to make 360 spins possible with minimum modification. The trick to not tangling cords was to have a laptop mounted to the seat run everything.

We did it experimentally, but our insurance company said "if it goes 360, you are not insured."

Going 185 degrees as it does now already sends the blood rushing to your head, and the mods still possible for those who don't need insurance. :-)

Thanks!

[audiojester]

ohhh... That sucks about the insurance. This has so much potential but needs big backing to get anywhere.

[soshowcanihelp]

where do ya buy one?

[mitsuenthu]

i dont know whats more amazing your invention of the aswome chair or the teleporting dust.

[noonco]

HAHA. Thanks.

You'll never believe it, but I had people seriously write to ask how to teleport.

I don't suppose I should tell them they just need a video editor. :-)

[pvtred]

This looks so dangerous

[noonco]

The machine passed OSHA inspection, and has given more than 40,000 rides to date (all weights and sizes).

But you're absolutely right! It LOOKS dangerous. :-) I think that makes it even more fun.

Thanks! Walt

[GGGunitNextLevel]

It looks like 1991 cheap low budget ad....

[stancurtin]

HAHA. Always on a shoestring... We did the video and effects all ourselves (just like the sim), so what you're seeing (the video) cost less than $30 to make.

I've been told if I ever get a REAL budget, I'd be dangerous!

I hope I get a chance to test that.

Thanks!

[laurentien00]

Is this motion base for sale ? If so, who sells it ?

[nicksf1]

OMG he can telaport LOL

[TRIXSTER03]

This would be great while flying the EXTRA aircraft in flight sim. When you fly upside down, the results of this device would be awsome.

[crossfitdude]

Look up Walt Noon in google, you will see it.

[swissarmour]

i bet it flopped in the nineties or something judging by the video, i looked it up and nothing came up

[abcdfghijlnopqrst]

agreed.

[ICOM2957]

Yup, a price or a link would be nice. Suggestion; get rid of the flash animation it takes away from the presentation. The product looks great on it's own.