@ufewl Did you even know what the question means? Increase in the information of the genome. what kind of answer would you expect to hear? i bet not autism, youd prolly think the more info the better. The idea of information inside a genome does not simply define evolution... despite Dawkins not answering that question, is it really out of the realm of possibility for you yourself not to find out that answer?? its in a first year biology text book for crying out loud. dont be afraid to learn
@MARKLOSTP I dropped biology pretty early I very much doubt it was covered in what I was taught, 100% sure. Now firstly Dawkin's is supposed to be an expert in this subject but he could not answer!! I don't need to read a text book to answer anway because it depends what you mean by information. For example I could add some information to this sentence now and I will imediately, fejrferjf;ergvo;gu54u290gu245ug. Hope you get the idea and hoe it answers the question you could not answer yourself!!
@MARKLOSTP furthermore he was asked to give an example and he could it!! I did not expect to hear autism because that is not always the case, and I can prove it so the guy.
Autism just happens in this specific case.
The main point is that any adding or 'information' to the genome screws it up (outside of normal reproduction where no new human genetic info is added).
Dawkins did not want to answer because all mutations produce an inferior being and thus disprove evolution.
@patriotsundergod and remember he is @Fourdeuce01. And all Fourdeuce01 are unethical immoral dirty old piece of shit who slander and lie about other people's character. Therefore whatever he says is null and invalid
But that doesn't sound like a realistic mechanism for adding meaningful complexity. DNA replication sure is a complex process. How do you think it originated?
It doesn't matter how it originated. Evolution is about the CHANGES that life went through. Many of you theists focus on the origin of life so much you don't even realize you're not even talking about evolution. Either that or you realize what you're doing but you understand that you can't talk about evolution so you keep talking about something else. That would be dishonest of you.
I am just asking an honest question. I would seriously like to know. You sure are defensive and have certainly made some assumptions about my intentions.
"You sure are defensive and have certainly made some assumptions about my intentions."
You ASSume I am defensive and I don't need to make assumptions about your intentions. You come on Youtube and post lies. Your intentions are obviously dishonest.
Is that how you alienate religious people who are trying to open their minds to your way of thinking? If so, well done. Look through my comments history. I haven't been on a crusade against your beliefs. Anyway, this is my last interaction with you sir. Good day to you.
Why should that possibility be taken off the table? I am honestly trying to find answers dude. Don't take out your atheist "meaningless life syndrome" frustrations on me.
It's an incredible coincidence that no one has commented on the video you respond to in the last 2 years.. not to mention that all the responses seem pro-creation... not to mention that a lot of the responders' youtube accounts are closed.. not to mention that the likes/dislikes are censored.
In addition to your excellent response, consider also that the organism with the genetic information (230 times more base pairs than a human) is the amoeba.
@catchatyou In a face to face social encounter, I wouldn't say such 'harsh' things, if that's what you call harsh. I treat this merely as a channel of entertainment. Since that idiot loves irritating people with childish immature comments, I shall do the same, for the fun of it.
UNBELIEVABLE, hahahahaha, this guy? thats like saying that: saying "superman" twice is more information, lmao
OH: and btw: are you ACTUALLY SAYING that this is the process which allows for molecules to man? hahahahahahaha, incredible, this guy is a total fraud and an idiot.
Well, how is this adding new information? Since it already has the genetic information required to produce a human, it adds existing information. Kind of like turtle with two heads. The information was already there, but it was mutated into where it duplicated part of it.
Maybe I'm not seeing something, but this is the only logical conclusion I can think of.
"Maybe I'm not seeing something, but this is the only logical conclusion I can think of."
There's a LOT you're not seeing. If you want to see the truth you'll have to pull your head out of your old book of fairy tales.
BTW, your conclusion is not logical. It's just a tantrum thrown by a child who refuses to face reality. Maybe Mommy will give you the answer you want to hear, but don't count on getting it here.
@FourDeuce01 How can you see the truth when you got your head stuck up your gay boyfriends' assholes? Better start pulling your head out, if not your brain will get damaged from lack of oxygen inside your gay boyfriends' assholes. How can you tell him that he's not seeing the truth when you can't either? Blind leading the blind.
@FourDeuce01 For all you know I might be older than you. What does age have to do with intelligence? I've met a lot of old people who aren't nearly as smart as me. I'm certainly no genius, but at least I'm questioning something which is what REAL SCIENCE is. The more a hypothesis is questioned, the better the results.
@faithhopelove1987 Why do you say such harsh things. That is not the way someone who claims to be a Christian should act; even if you don't agree with them.
"The more a hypothesis is questioned, the better the results"
Right, but that only applies to sensible questions asked by people who bother to first learn what the hypothesis says. Those who just ask questions because it disagrees with the childish fairy tales they swallow don't help the results.
I'd bet you aren't, going by your posts. You are no older than about maybe 18(and that's giving you some extra slack). The intelligence level exhibited in your posts would make me guess somewhere around 7 or 8 years old.
"What does age have to do with intelligence?"
Sometimes ignorance is a product of youth. Other times it's just the way people want to live.
@FourDeuce01 You're right, I am under 18, but not by nearly as much as you said. So you're talking with a 16 year old who will have a full-time job next year like he's a small child. Have you even looked at the maturity level of the comments.
Let's see, all of your comments to me are just filled with hate. Not once have you explained to me what I might be lacking in information, you're just too concerned about age. 16 years old with maturity is better than a 20+ year old without it.
"So you're talking with a 16 year old who will have a full-time job next year like he's a small child."
You're here defending your belief in a childish fairy tale. Do you even know why people in your religion try to brainwash you when you're very young? It's because you learn to think about the time you're 3 or 4, and they know that even a 3 or 4 year old can tell their fairy tale makes no sense.
"Not once have you explained to me what I might be lacking in information,"
It's not my job to educate you, and you are not here to be educated anyway. You are here to defend your belief in your silly fairy tale by trying to argue against evolution. Unfortunately, you know nothing about the theory, so your arguments are based on nothing but ignorance.
"16 years old with maturity is better than a 20+ year old without it."
It's amusing, the holier-than-thou or smarter-than-thou attitude that prevails video comments such as this. Both 'creationists' as well as 'evolutionists are guilty of this shitty attitude.
Well, you may indeed be smarter than the one you are putting down, but get this right, you won't get a trophy of proving you are 'right'. Being 'right' doesn't make one successful in life. All the best for the new year 2012.
Thanks for making this video response. The fact that all replies have to be approved and there is no option to like/dislike are clear indicators that "JJjayco" knows that he's entering a world of shit.
@imrational - google "nylonase enzyme" and you don't have to go through a discussion of myosis which the creationists aren't going to be capable of understanding anyway. It's a clear example of something new, rather than the possibility that down syndrome has been in the genome all this time and is just now coming out. (Yes, they believe stuff like that.)
....According to Darwins theory evolution must help, not hamper a species... Down syndrome is in the hamper pile. And to all you atheists here posting your garbage. You have not won anything by this guys video so don't gloat, because you actually lost this argument.
"....According to Darwins theory evolution must help, not hamper a species..."
Wrong, liar. If you want to discuss evolution, you really need to learn what it says. Failing to do that makes you look like just another religious idiot.
Some things NEVER change, and its sad. There will always be people LYING beside gay boyfriends and shoving their heads up their gay boyfriends' assholes because they want to study the evolution of the human asshole, isn't that sad, @Fourdeuce01??
@faithhopelove1987 Very intelligent argument. Ask yourself why you become so defensive when your silly beliefs are challenged. I was raised as a Christian too but, like Santa Claus, I kind of knew deep down that it didn't make any sense although it felt good as a psychological security blanket. Some people just can't let it go and face the world and the truth on their own.
@CultofRevolt I really do not know if you are pretending, but for goodness sake, @FourDeuce01 is a troll, and when I deal with such trolls, I don't intend to raise any 'intelligent' arguments. I'm merely irritating him, pure and simple. No matter what is your belief, you won't get a trophy for proving you are right. All you have done is wasted your time arguing. For such matters, the most 'intelligent' argument is NO ARGUMENT at all. If that is what you believe, so be it, I don't care.
@CultofRevolt You may hold your beliefs or non-beliefs because of certain reasons, I hold mine for my own reasons. Whatever it is, I don't intend to convince you or anyone for that matter. @FourDeuce01 is so obnoxious in his comments I can't help but to keep shooting him, it is just kind of fun anyway. It was never meant to be an 'argument'. Unfortunately, you thought it was an argument, no it isn't.
@faithhopelove1987 Fair enough. "No argument" is a good policy in my book. I'm not out to recruit atheists or agnostics, just live and let live. However, it does irk me to see people try to use science AGAINST science(not directed at you). It's like, if you say you believe because you have faith, fine, there's nothing to argue about there. Pointing to the steadily decreasing dark areas in scientific theory as an argument for it's invalidity is dangerously ignorant imo.
@CultofRevolt Good. Now you know why my 'argument' against @Fourdeuce01 sounds so 'intelligent'. I won't use Science to shove my beliefs down people's throat, although I do believe some facts and findings of Science could 'hint' of a creator. But no I won't insist that what I do know is THE truth, because all our knowledge is after all, incomplete.
and down syndrome is a mutation in the gene pool, NOT adding information. its a mistake, where you yourself said that all that happens is information is transferred, and MISPLACED. NOT created out of thin air. So the info was there, it just got put in the wrong place.
You didn't answer the question. You only explain down syndrome. They wanted to know how new information is added, not how old information is added twice in a cell.
You are very ignorant, but then why not be ignorant because its a happy place;)
When will you IDIOTS @fourplusseven and @MrMatty190891 ever realise @FourDeuce01 is an INTERNET TROLL who's real intent is to start arguments for the fun of it? All he is good at is LYING with his gay boyfriends and shoving his head up his boyfriends' ASSHOLES. What a sad excuse for a human being.
ok.... I'm following the debate as entirely neutral here. The next question is: can you give an example of information increase in the genome which *does not* result in impairment of cognitive ability and physical growth as in Downs?
"I'm following the debate as entirely neutral here."
Sure you are. It's always funny to see you lying christians come here and post that stupid lie, as if nobody could see from the lies you post that you are not even close to being neutral. Your christian lies give you away. When you believe in childish fairy tales the lack of critical thinking skills is impossible to hide.
You fools think it makes a difference WHICH fairy tales you believe, but to a person with a working brain it really doesn't make any difference whatsoever. Whether you believe in one fairy tale or another is unimportant to me. The FACT that you believe in ANY fairy tales means you lack critical thinking skills. "I'm just after an answer to my question."
That's funny. So many christians have said the SAME lie.
"I'm following the debate as entirely neutral here."
Right. That's why you ask a question with the clear intent of proving evolution is wrong. If you want to argue about evolution it would really help if you first learned about it. Trying to argue about it based on ignorance and lies just makes you look foolish.
@FourDeuce01 I never argued about evolution, nor do I doubt its existence. I asked one question about it, not to "prove anything wrong" (in one question??) but simply out of curiosity as to the answer. I didn't view the question as arbitrative of the truth or falsehood of an entire theory. I didn't advance an argument.
You've been arguing too long and are hot tempered. I suggest a nice cup of tea and a sit down. If you don't know the answer to my question simply ignore it. Bye now!
"I never argued about evolution, nor do I doubt its existence. I asked one question about it,"
Yes, you asked the same question many other liars have asked, and now you want to hide from the truth again by pretending you don't have an agenda. The question you asked reveals the truth, that you don't have a clue about evolution. "I suggest a nice cup of tea"
You are as arrogant as all the other christians, to ASSume that I take suggestions from idiots.
"If you don't know the answer to my question simply ignore it"
If you learned something about evolution you would know the answer to your own question, and you might even figure out how to hide your dishonesty better.
"I never argued about evolution, nor do I doubt its existence."
I already told you your lies are transparent, and you still try to lie again. You aren't very smart, are you? "You've been arguing too long and are hot tempered."
You know nothing about me, but then, you know nothing about evolution, and that doesn't stop you from trying to discuss it. Typical theistic arrogance and ignorance.
There's another lie, unless you can show where I claimed that. You just can't help lying, can you? Of course, you'll just lie again to answer that question, won't you?
"prove that I am lying. What's the lie"
Already showed 2 of your lies. Did I type too fast for you?
Trolls are cowards, and @FourDeuce01 is one of them idiots. Troll me if you dare! You can't right? Of course you can't ever take me in hand with your daft trolling tactics. Your tactics won't work. You don't dare to come back here? Coward! I say COWARD. Die a coward, that's what you always are. And to anyone seeing this comment, he doesn't deserve a word of kindness. Much has shown him already by now. He should just die, one less scum on the earth.
'So is down syndrome gonna change an ape to a human? lol, good luck with that...'
Liar. Anyone who disagrees with me @Fourdeuce01 is a LIAR and must have his head shoved up my arsehole because I love being f**ked by virile young males.
@FourDeuce01 Yeah, you sure need a lot of luck if you are ever gonna shove your head into your boyfriend's asshole. Fortunately, Fourdeuce01 has lots of luck. And fortunately for Dawkins, Darwin, and Fourdeuce01, monkeys have plenty of luck too, if not, monkeys with Down Syndrome would never have evolved into Fourdeuce01 and the rest of his bros. Please thank your ansectors, Fourdeuce01. You can't always be so lucky and stupid at the same time.
Trolling coward asshole screwer @FourDeuce01 don't dare to answer me! Got out-trolled by me? Yes I AM a troll, I am trolling you! Go ahead, give your smartass answers! Cat got your tongue?
Sorry, my youtube thread hadn't updated. I'm concerned with the aggressive undertones beneath a lot of Dawkins's evolutionary arguments, especially within his live debates. However, a lot of theists are also guilty of this, perhaps more so. When it comes to a topic of this importance, and it really is of immense importance, there is no room for arrogant, emotive, bullying-esque tactics. We as intelligent beings have approached a theoretical impasse, we must be calm and respectful of each other.
A loser doesn't DARE reply me. Why? Because he knows he is a TROLL and nothing worthwhile saying except bitching and being a childish nuisance. Right @Fourdeuce01?? He's knows he can't fool and bait me into a silly argument. What a coward and loser! COWARD I say! COWARD!
@Fourdeuce01 I'm a mind reader if you are looking for one. I just read your mind DIRTY OLD MAN! Don't you think I don't know you are thinking of LYING with your boyfriends and stuffing your head up their assholes. You have your head up assholes for so long the only thing you know about is the EVOLUTION OF ASSHOLES. You naughty naughty OLD MAN!
I really am amused how people can waste their time with a troll like @Fourdeuce01 and he probably at this for years.
If you don't know what an internet troll is, google it.
I refused to talk sense with him, so now he's ignoring me. @Fourdeuce01 is NOTHING but a big LOSER IN LIFE hiding behind a monitor and keyboard and mouse. Right OLD MAN @Fourdeuce01???
come on now, you know very well that this isn't what the question meant by 'increase in information'. perhaps to be more clear what we're looking for is 'new information', i.e. information that wasn't in the genome previously, i.e. evolutionary 'progress'. mongolism is not an example of this.
although if you're a fan of dawkins, i guess i shouldn't be surprised that sophistry is your go-to move. nice try, though. you did manage to fool 4 078 youtubers, so there's a feather in your cap.
@eleutheromaniac viruses always introduce new genetic material into the cell they infect, that is how they reproduce. So there is another example of how genetic material can be added.
So, if we all come from the same evolutionary pool, that would mean that we all would have fucked up genetics? It is a proven fact that animals of different genus can sometimes reproduce but the offspring will be sterile or die at infancy. So, if we all came from the same genetic wash that would mean that evolution would have been stopped in its tracks from the beginning.
Please take a look at the crossing of a lion and a tiger=Liger. If we came to be in a similar manner then what would happen?
"So, if we all come from the same evolutionary pool, that would mean that we all would have fucked up genetics?"
Nope. If you really want to discuss evolution you should first go and learn something about it. To learn about it, you need to go where the truth can be found. That means no cretinist book or website.
Why thank him for the laugh? The laugh is a product of your own ignorance and arrogance. You weak-minded gullible fools think ONLY scientists can understand science, but it's not true. Anybody with a working brain can understand much of science. Even a christian can understand the basics, even though they refuse to.
@FourDeuce01 Thanks for another laugh. Nondisjunction (which he didn't mention, is what causes 95% of downs syndrome) and translocation (which he did mention) are errors in the cell splitting process... What does this have to do with natural selection or the theory of evolution?
@imax1971 Evolution can work by random mutations. These mutations can be either detrimental or beneficial to the organism. Detrimental mutations cause the organism to die (and cause the responsible DNA to be lost), and beneficial mutations will allow the organism to perform better (and pass its DNA on.) Down Syndrome is a random error--a mutation--in meiosis.
Life is an imperfect mechanism. Think of a cell dividing and how many things can go "wrong" in that complex process.
"What does this have to do with natural selection or the theory of evolution?"
If you learned what evolution is you wouldn't have to ask such stupid questions. If you need somebody to hold your hand, go to your cretinist masters. It's not my job to try to teach stupid people something they don't want to learn.
@FourDeuce01 I know exactly what evolution is. It is theory that cannot be proven... It is a theory perpetuated by people like Dawkin's who have agenda's.. Natural Selection in not fact. You can call me stupid until you're blue in the face. That will not change this. The Earth was once a ball of fire... According to you guys, nothing created everything.. To my knowledge, there isn't a scientist on the planet that can produce life from non living matter.. Is there?
@imax1971 actually, there has recently been a few scientists that published a report saying that either they have created life from chemicals, or have shown a process that looks very promising to do so. Either way though, to dismiss evolution is disregarding a very well documented process that proves the theory of evolution. Have you ever seen a dog?
@woodicw What are you talking about??? How can you say with a straight face that a group of scientists published a report "saying that either they have created life from chemicals, or have shown a process that looks very promising to do so"... You completely contradicted yourself in one sentence... Either they did or didn't! The answer is, they didn't. Life cannot be produced from non living matter.. Yes I have seen a dog. Your point?
@imax1971 There isn't a scientist on this Earth that can 'create' a black hole, but that doesn't prohibit a black hole from being a real, naturally occurring phenomenon. The lack of intelligence in these youtube comments really shocks me, and slowly but surely I'm losing all confidence in the human race. Really I am. If you can't say anything intelligent, please don't say anything at all.
@minarima Why are you losing confidence in the human race? Because there are people that don't subscribe to the belief system of Dawkins? Natural selection is not fact, it is a theory perpetuated by people like Dawkins who clearly have an agenda.. You question the intelligence of others yet you use a black whole to make your point? We are talking about biology, not astronomy. I have an open mind. If you would like to have a civil discussion, I'd like that. If not, I wish you the best.
@imax1971 Not at all, and please don't be so quick to pigeon hole me. In all honesty I feel uneasy with the aggressive undertones of Dawkins, he does appear to be quite closed off intellectually, perhaps not as cool, calm and collected as one would hope from somebody who rates reason and empiricism so highly.
@minarima My intent was not to "pigeon hole" you.. I have simply pointing out that natural selection is not fact and that Dawkins has an agenda.. I'm not sure how to respond to what you wrote to me in regards to your opinion of Dawkins. Elaborate...
@imax1971 May I just add imax1971 that my deep-seated frustration lies in the throwing around of the term 'god' on youtube; It's my opinion that you must state your definition of a term before any meaningful conversation can occur. Are we discussing an anthropomorphic, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent god who is both personal and judgmental? Or a non-judgmental, non-omniscient dehumanized god? or something in-between? Even followers of the same religion can possess definitions that differ.
@minarima I never mentioned God or religion. The topic of discussion is biology, specifically Natural Selection and Dawkins.. You made a comment regarding Dawkins and I asked you to elaborate on it. You chose not to answer.. Why the deflection? Do you believe that only religious people don't sign on to what Dawkins preaches?
@imax1971 Hate to break it to you there, but natural selection is a fact. It has been witnessed to occur time and again. Scientists do not have an agenda, all they are trying to do is answer questions about natural phenomena, and will report their findings no matter if they like them or not. If you really do have an open mind, go read up on some of these things, learn the science behind it. You will change your mind.
@Fourdeuce01 there are NO TROLLS in YT, only. In WORLD OF WARCRAFT. OLD USELESS MAN, get off your butt and do something USEFUL with your life. If you can't contribute anything USEFUL to this world, you should just die. And stop playing WORLD OF WARCRAFT. No one believes in that fairytale game.
@FourDeuce01 told u so many times, if you want ADULT STUFF, go google. Shoving your head inside assholes won't help and Youtibe doesn't have ADULT videos. Trolling the comments won't help either.
It's a waste of time posting facts for the fools. They aren't interested in the truth. Trolls just want attention, and they'll do whatever it takes to get it. They'll never learn what evolution is, so they'll never be able to discuss it like adults.
@FourDeuce01 look, I KNOW you love shoving your head up your BOYFRIENDS' assholes, but pls realise that @LanceKolaski and I have no wish to join you in your weird hobby. I also KNOW you love exploring the anatomy of your asshole, but we aren't that flexible to have our head up our asshole like you can, neither are we interested in doing so. Thank you very much.
@LanceKolaski2 haha! He will NEVER post anything intelligent or significant here. He's been at this trolling business since more than a year ago when I stumbled upon here.
@Fourdeuce01@LanceKolaski2 and I are definitely ignorant about LYING besides assholes and shoving our heads up assholes looking for BULLSHIT. Thanks for helping us understand the biology of your boyfriends assholes, but we wish to be ignorant of the stinky details. We do not wish to know how the anatomy of your boyfriends' assholes evolve over time.
@LanceKolaski2 No no no, @FourDeuce01 is ALWAYS right. Don't try to argue against it. You are always wrong no matter what. So don't say anything if you don't want to sound like a liar. Only people who LIE down with their gay boyfriends like @FourDeuce01 are ALWAYS correct.
Also, (see my other comment) one would think that Ricard Dawkins would have long ago considered this and mentioned it immediately; rather, he does not so as to not make himself seem unintelligent by using something that is obviously not a good example.
That does not really answer the question because it implies a genetic mutation that helps whatever species in it's evolutionary process to survive or advance. Down syndrome is a clear example of a minor defect within one species. If this was truly an example of what the question was seeking, then we would see the coming of a new species with down syndrome; rather, men with down syndrome tend to be sterile while women with the same defect have a higher chance of miscarriage.
"That does not really answer the question because it implies a genetic mutation that helps whatever species in it's evolutionary process to survive or advance."
Wrong, liar. There was no such implication made anywhere. If you want to claim there was, good luck proving it.
@FourDeuce01 Haha, fine, for your sake I will. The whole purpose of the hypothesis called macro evolution is to help a species either adapt or advance in a given environment. This is often called "survival of the fittest" in case you do not know. In an intelligent conversation, why would they be asking for something that degrades a species? That would be absurd. Even Dawkins probably knew that, which is why he did not give that answer. Please, think before you scream liar. Thank you :)
"The whole purpose of the hypothesis called macro evolution"
Let me help you with your ignorance so you don't look so stupid in the future. There IS no "hypothesis" called macro evolution. The Theory of Evolution is what you are supposed to be discussing. Try to follow along. Holding your hand like this is something your parents and teachers should be doing.
@FourDeuce01 hahahahahahahahahahahaha, I love it when ignorant people only reply with insults. It first shows their level of intelligence and it shows that they have no answers and just spew out pointless comments. But most importantly, it tells me not to waste my time trying to argue with such ignorance. Please reply to my comments when you have something worth reading; otherwise, don't waste your energy. I won't reply to it anymore.
@Fourdeuce01 is not just OLD. He's getting SENILE too and probably has forgotten how to use a computer. Dementia is incurable ... so SAD. So OLD, LONELY and USELESS, dying of cancer and AIDS from screwing too many asses, now also SENILE!
Also remember to attend his funeral because it seems that most of his friends and family can't appreciate his words of WISDOM and INSIGHT, according to his YT profile. So let us, those who can APPRECIATE his WORDS of WISDOM attend his funeral, if not he will be a LONELY OLD MAN on his FINAL 'JOURNEY'
Okay guys I think @Fourdeuce01 is dying soon of OLD age. That's why he's not commenting as much as he should. Please visit him while you can and pay him your last RESPECTS before he goes .... Thank you! Yup, your last RESPECTS.
@Fourdeuce01 before you try to DISCUSS something, go and find out the definition of DISCUSS in a dictionary. If you AREN'T EDUCATED ENOUGH to use a dictionary, STOP PLAYING WORLD OF WARCRAFT and save some moneyvfor your funeral, get insurance in case you get a HEART ATTACK, OLD MAN!
@Fourdeuce01 if you are interested in actually LEARNING something, stop LYING besides your boyfriends' asshole and do something USEFUL, you will be amazed at the things you will LEARN. @Zoosexuality and I aren't interested in becoming your arsehole licking buddies.
@Fourdeuce01@zoosexuality you SURE you can 'see many things'? All you do everyday is LYING beside your boyfriends assholes. What ELSE do you see besides assholes?
@Fourdeuce01 oh well, you're probably dead from heart attack screwing too many assholes, or you are just too OLD, about time you go anyway. Previously you were an arsehole, now you're a DEAD arsehole. I feel SAD
@Fourdeuce01 not done screwing 5 year old boys? Don't you usually have so much to comment? @joi12345678 asked a question. Not going to show off your smart ass answers? Huh?
How come Dawkins as a geneticists could not give that answer?
ufewl 2 days ago
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@ufewl
"How come Dawkins as a geneticists could not give that answer?"
How come you ASSume Dawkins COULD NOT give that answer?
FourDeuce01 2 days ago
@ufewl Did you even know what the question means? Increase in the information of the genome. what kind of answer would you expect to hear? i bet not autism, youd prolly think the more info the better. The idea of information inside a genome does not simply define evolution... despite Dawkins not answering that question, is it really out of the realm of possibility for you yourself not to find out that answer?? its in a first year biology text book for crying out loud. dont be afraid to learn
MARKLOSTP 7 hours ago
@MARKLOSTP I dropped biology pretty early I very much doubt it was covered in what I was taught, 100% sure. Now firstly Dawkin's is supposed to be an expert in this subject but he could not answer!! I don't need to read a text book to answer anway because it depends what you mean by information. For example I could add some information to this sentence now and I will imediately, fejrferjf;ergvo;gu54u290gu245ug. Hope you get the idea and hoe it answers the question you could not answer yourself!!
ufewl 6 hours ago
@ufewl
"I dropped biology pretty early"
That's obvious.
FourDeuce01 1 hour ago
@MARKLOSTP furthermore he was asked to give an example and he could it!! I did not expect to hear autism because that is not always the case, and I can prove it so the guy.
Autism just happens in this specific case.
The main point is that any adding or 'information' to the genome screws it up (outside of normal reproduction where no new human genetic info is added).
Dawkins did not want to answer because all mutations produce an inferior being and thus disprove evolution.
ufewl 5 hours ago
@MARKLOSTP AND I definitely do not think the more info the better as I know the thing with the most 'information' is a plant!!!
You see the problem for Dawkins here is he could not give an answer when adding information or a mutation produced a better lifeform!!
All unintelligently designed mutations produce an inferior creature!!
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@patriotsundergod and remember he is @Fourdeuce01. And all Fourdeuce01 are unethical immoral dirty old piece of shit who slander and lie about other people's character. Therefore whatever he says is null and invalid
faithhopelove1987 1 week ago
@patriotsundergod ignore @Fourdeuce01 he is just a dirty old man who shoves his head up his gay boyfriends assholes. And remember he is @Fpurd
faithhopelove1987 1 week ago
But that doesn't sound like a realistic mechanism for adding meaningful complexity. DNA replication sure is a complex process. How do you think it originated?
patriotsundergod 1 week ago
@patriotsundergod
"How do you think it originated?"
It doesn't matter how it originated. Evolution is about the CHANGES that life went through. Many of you theists focus on the origin of life so much you don't even realize you're not even talking about evolution. Either that or you realize what you're doing but you understand that you can't talk about evolution so you keep talking about something else. That would be dishonest of you.
FourDeuce01 1 week ago
@FourDeuce01
I am just asking an honest question. I would seriously like to know. You sure are defensive and have certainly made some assumptions about my intentions.
patriotsundergod 1 week ago
@patriotsundergod
"You sure are defensive and have certainly made some assumptions about my intentions."
You ASSume I am defensive and I don't need to make assumptions about your intentions. You come on Youtube and post lies. Your intentions are obviously dishonest.
FourDeuce01 1 week ago
@FourDeuce01
What lies? To me, YOUR beliefs are the lies. That is a pretty subjective accusation to make, don't you think?
patriotsundergod 1 week ago
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@patriotsundergod
"What lies? To me, YOUR beliefs are the lies."
There's another lie. I don't HAVE any beliefs, stupid. "That is a pretty subjective accusation to make, don't you think?"
Nope.
FourDeuce01 1 week ago
@patriotsundergod
"What lies?"
"I am honestly trying to find answers dude."
That's one of the MANY lies you have posted here.
FourDeuce01 1 week ago
@FourDeuce01
Is that how you alienate religious people who are trying to open their minds to your way of thinking? If so, well done. Look through my comments history. I haven't been on a crusade against your beliefs. Anyway, this is my last interaction with you sir. Good day to you.
patriotsundergod 1 week ago
@patriotsundergod
"Is that how you alienate religious people who are trying to open their minds to your way of thinking?"
There you go lying again. People who are "trying to open their minds" don't go around posting lies. That is NOT opening your mind.
"I haven't been on a crusade against your beliefs."
Right. You've just been here on Youtube posting stupid lies.
FourDeuce01 1 week ago
@patriotsundergod
"But that doesn't sound like a realistic mechanism for adding meaningful complexity."
Ah, the Argument From Ignorance. Never heard that one used before. ;)
FourDeuce01 1 week ago
@FourDeuce01
It is not an argument. It is an honest assessment of this guy's very poorly chosen example as a meaningful contribution.
patriotsundergod 1 week ago
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@patriotsundergod
"It is not an argument"
That I can agree with.
"It is an honest assessment"
Nothing you do is honest. You are a christian, and christians lie.
"of this guy's very poorly chosen example as a meaningful contribution."
Blah, blah, blah.
FourDeuce01 1 week ago
@patriotsundergod
"But that doesn't sound like a realistic mechanism for adding meaningful complexity."
Lemme guess. I bet you consider a "realistic mechanism" something along the lines of "my invisible god poofed it into existence like that", right?
FourDeuce01 1 week ago
@FourDeuce01
Why should that possibility be taken off the table? I am honestly trying to find answers dude. Don't take out your atheist "meaningless life syndrome" frustrations on me.
patriotsundergod 1 week ago
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@patriotsundergod
"Don't take out your atheist "meaningless life syndrome" frustrations on me."
Typical christian hypocrite, doing just what you accuse other people of doing.
"You sure are defensive and have certainly made some assumptions about my intentions."
Quack, quack.
FourDeuce01 1 week ago
It's an incredible coincidence that no one has commented on the video you respond to in the last 2 years.. not to mention that all the responses seem pro-creation... not to mention that a lot of the responders' youtube accounts are closed.. not to mention that the likes/dislikes are censored.
In addition to your excellent response, consider also that the organism with the genetic information (230 times more base pairs than a human) is the amoeba.
rulz492 3 weeks ago
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@catchatyou In a face to face social encounter, I wouldn't say such 'harsh' things, if that's what you call harsh. I treat this merely as a channel of entertainment. Since that idiot loves irritating people with childish immature comments, I shall do the same, for the fun of it.
faithhopelove1987 3 weeks ago
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faithhopelove1987 3 weeks ago
@EVERYONE Geez! LEAVE THAT GAY TROLL @FourDeuce01 ALONE!!
faithhopelove1987 3 weeks ago
UNBELIEVABLE, hahahahaha, this guy? thats like saying that: saying "superman" twice is more information, lmao
OH: and btw: are you ACTUALLY SAYING that this is the process which allows for molecules to man? hahahahahahaha, incredible, this guy is a total fraud and an idiot.
xXsakkelaoXx 3 weeks ago
@xXsakkelaoXx
"hahahahahahaha, incredible, this guy is a total fraud and an idiot"
Coming from a fraud and idiot, that opinion doesn't carry any weight.
FourDeuce01 3 weeks ago
@FourDeuce01 Is that for the same reason your statement carries weight? because I didn't see any background evidence for your claims :)
xXsakkelaoXx 3 weeks ago
@xXsakkelaoXx
"I didn't see any background evidence for your claims"
Which claims? Try to be specific if you can.
FourDeuce01 3 weeks ago
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@FourDeuce01 "Coming from a fraud and idiot, that opinion doesn't carry any weight."
claims without evidence.
xXsakkelaoXx 3 weeks ago
Well, how is this adding new information? Since it already has the genetic information required to produce a human, it adds existing information. Kind of like turtle with two heads. The information was already there, but it was mutated into where it duplicated part of it.
Maybe I'm not seeing something, but this is the only logical conclusion I can think of.
catchatyoufg 3 weeks ago
@catchatyoufg
"Maybe I'm not seeing something, but this is the only logical conclusion I can think of."
There's a LOT you're not seeing. If you want to see the truth you'll have to pull your head out of your old book of fairy tales.
BTW, your conclusion is not logical. It's just a tantrum thrown by a child who refuses to face reality. Maybe Mommy will give you the answer you want to hear, but don't count on getting it here.
FourDeuce01 3 weeks ago
@FourDeuce01 How can you see the truth when you got your head stuck up your gay boyfriends' assholes? Better start pulling your head out, if not your brain will get damaged from lack of oxygen inside your gay boyfriends' assholes. How can you tell him that he's not seeing the truth when you can't either? Blind leading the blind.
faithhopelove1987 3 weeks ago
@catchatyoufg
"how is this adding new information?"
If English is a problem for you try asking Mommy or Daddy to explain it to you. Maybe an adult can help you figure it out.
FourDeuce01 3 weeks ago
@FourDeuce01 For all you know I might be older than you. What does age have to do with intelligence? I've met a lot of old people who aren't nearly as smart as me. I'm certainly no genius, but at least I'm questioning something which is what REAL SCIENCE is. The more a hypothesis is questioned, the better the results.
@faithhopelove1987 Why do you say such harsh things. That is not the way someone who claims to be a Christian should act; even if you don't agree with them.
catchatyou 3 weeks ago
@catchatyou
"at least I'm questioning something which is what REAL SCIENCE is."
No, you are TRYING to question science while you accept a childish fairy tale with no questions. That isn't very smart.
FourDeuce01 3 weeks ago
@catchatyou
"The more a hypothesis is questioned, the better the results"
Right, but that only applies to sensible questions asked by people who bother to first learn what the hypothesis says. Those who just ask questions because it disagrees with the childish fairy tales they swallow don't help the results.
FourDeuce01 3 weeks ago
@catchatyou
"For all you know I might be older than you."
I'd bet you aren't, going by your posts. You are no older than about maybe 18(and that's giving you some extra slack). The intelligence level exhibited in your posts would make me guess somewhere around 7 or 8 years old.
"What does age have to do with intelligence?"
Sometimes ignorance is a product of youth. Other times it's just the way people want to live.
FourDeuce01 3 weeks ago
@FourDeuce01 You're right, I am under 18, but not by nearly as much as you said. So you're talking with a 16 year old who will have a full-time job next year like he's a small child. Have you even looked at the maturity level of the comments.
Let's see, all of your comments to me are just filled with hate. Not once have you explained to me what I might be lacking in information, you're just too concerned about age. 16 years old with maturity is better than a 20+ year old without it.
catchatyou 3 weeks ago
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@catchatyou
"So you're talking with a 16 year old who will have a full-time job next year like he's a small child."
You're here defending your belief in a childish fairy tale. Do you even know why people in your religion try to brainwash you when you're very young? It's because you learn to think about the time you're 3 or 4, and they know that even a 3 or 4 year old can tell their fairy tale makes no sense.
FourDeuce01 3 weeks ago
@catchatyou
"Not once have you explained to me what I might be lacking in information,"
It's not my job to educate you, and you are not here to be educated anyway. You are here to defend your belief in your silly fairy tale by trying to argue against evolution. Unfortunately, you know nothing about the theory, so your arguments are based on nothing but ignorance.
"16 years old with maturity is better than a 20+ year old without it."
How would you know? You're not mature.
FourDeuce01 3 weeks ago
@FourDeuce01 "How would you know? You're not mature."
How can an OLD MAN who spends his life LYING with OLD GAY MEN be MATURE? Please! Give me a break!
faithhopelove1987 3 weeks ago
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@catchatyou Geez!! Can't you see you are dealing with an Internet TROLL? He's just here to irritate people? Can't you guys see?!
'Why do you say such harsh things. That is not the way someone who claims to be a Christian should act; even if you don't agree with them.'
I'm not even angered by this idiot @FourDeuce01 >> I'm just irritating him with senseless nonsensical statements.
I'm just saddened by the fact so many of you guys fall for his traps. He's here to disrupt and irritate!
faithhopelove1987 3 weeks ago
It's amusing, the holier-than-thou or smarter-than-thou attitude that prevails video comments such as this. Both 'creationists' as well as 'evolutionists are guilty of this shitty attitude.
Well, you may indeed be smarter than the one you are putting down, but get this right, you won't get a trophy of proving you are 'right'. Being 'right' doesn't make one successful in life. All the best for the new year 2012.
faithhopelove1987 3 weeks ago
Thanks for making this video response. The fact that all replies have to be approved and there is no option to like/dislike are clear indicators that "JJjayco" knows that he's entering a world of shit.
JeremiahCrow 3 weeks ago
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@JeremiahCrow
"clear indicators that "JJjayco" knows that he's entering a world of shit."
He's not ENTERING a world of shit. He lives his life in a world of shit. ;)
FourDeuce01 3 weeks ago
@imrational - google "nylonase enzyme" and you don't have to go through a discussion of myosis which the creationists aren't going to be capable of understanding anyway. It's a clear example of something new, rather than the possibility that down syndrome has been in the genome all this time and is just now coming out. (Yes, they believe stuff like that.)
Quakeboy02 3 weeks ago
I love how the author of the original video has to APPROVE comments. "Sorry, can't let you put that up. It exposes a whole in my argument."
Yashpar1 3 weeks ago
....According to Darwins theory evolution must help, not hamper a species... Down syndrome is in the hamper pile. And to all you atheists here posting your garbage. You have not won anything by this guys video so don't gloat, because you actually lost this argument.
NANAKISONOFSETO 3 weeks ago
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@NANAKISONOFSETO
"....According to Darwins theory evolution must help, not hamper a species..."
Wrong, liar. If you want to discuss evolution, you really need to learn what it says. Failing to do that makes you look like just another religious idiot.
"you actually lost this argument"
Ah, yes, victory by declaration. Good argument.
FourDeuce01 3 weeks ago
Some things NEVER change, and its sad. There will always be people LYING beside gay boyfriends and shoving their heads up their gay boyfriends' assholes because they want to study the evolution of the human asshole, isn't that sad, @Fourdeuce01??
faithhopelove1987 4 weeks ago
@faithhopelove1987 Very intelligent argument. Ask yourself why you become so defensive when your silly beliefs are challenged. I was raised as a Christian too but, like Santa Claus, I kind of knew deep down that it didn't make any sense although it felt good as a psychological security blanket. Some people just can't let it go and face the world and the truth on their own.
CultofRevolt 4 weeks ago
@CultofRevolt I really do not know if you are pretending, but for goodness sake, @FourDeuce01 is a troll, and when I deal with such trolls, I don't intend to raise any 'intelligent' arguments. I'm merely irritating him, pure and simple. No matter what is your belief, you won't get a trophy for proving you are right. All you have done is wasted your time arguing. For such matters, the most 'intelligent' argument is NO ARGUMENT at all. If that is what you believe, so be it, I don't care.
faithhopelove1987 3 weeks ago
@CultofRevolt You may hold your beliefs or non-beliefs because of certain reasons, I hold mine for my own reasons. Whatever it is, I don't intend to convince you or anyone for that matter. @FourDeuce01 is so obnoxious in his comments I can't help but to keep shooting him, it is just kind of fun anyway. It was never meant to be an 'argument'. Unfortunately, you thought it was an argument, no it isn't.
faithhopelove1987 3 weeks ago
@faithhopelove1987 Fair enough. "No argument" is a good policy in my book. I'm not out to recruit atheists or agnostics, just live and let live. However, it does irk me to see people try to use science AGAINST science(not directed at you). It's like, if you say you believe because you have faith, fine, there's nothing to argue about there. Pointing to the steadily decreasing dark areas in scientific theory as an argument for it's invalidity is dangerously ignorant imo.
CultofRevolt 3 weeks ago
@CultofRevolt Good. Now you know why my 'argument' against @Fourdeuce01 sounds so 'intelligent'. I won't use Science to shove my beliefs down people's throat, although I do believe some facts and findings of Science could 'hint' of a creator. But no I won't insist that what I do know is THE truth, because all our knowledge is after all, incomplete.
faithhopelove1987 3 weeks ago
@CultofRevolt The Creationists never understanding the flaw in the "God of the gaps" that they espouse.
Quakeboy02 3 weeks ago
and down syndrome is a mutation in the gene pool, NOT adding information. its a mistake, where you yourself said that all that happens is information is transferred, and MISPLACED. NOT created out of thin air. So the info was there, it just got put in the wrong place.
StrikerDaSkimboarder 4 weeks ago
The cut was when he told the camaras to stop rolling because he couldnt think of an answer.
StrikerDaSkimboarder 4 weeks ago
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@StrikerDaSkimboarder
"The cut was when he told the camaras to stop rolling because he couldnt think of an answer."
Keep lying. If anybody doesn't know you're dishonest already, they should know it soon.
FourDeuce01 4 weeks ago
You didn't answer the question. You only explain down syndrome. They wanted to know how new information is added, not how old information is added twice in a cell.
You are very ignorant, but then why not be ignorant because its a happy place;)
morrisdecat 4 weeks ago
@morrisdecat
"why not be ignorant because its a happy place;)"
You know that, don't you?
FourDeuce01 4 weeks ago
Religious people are mentally retarded.
NeoTranshuman 1 month ago
@NeoTranshuman I hate religion. I have a relationship with Jesus Christ. So I agree. Religion sucks, Jesus ROCKS!
StrikerDaSkimboarder 4 weeks ago
@StrikerDaSkimboarder
"I have a relationship with Jesus Christ."
Then you don't hate religion. You just hate the truth.
FourDeuce01 4 weeks ago
When will idiots ever learn to stop feeding the trolls
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
When will you IDIOTS @fourplusseven and @MrMatty190891 ever realise @FourDeuce01 is an INTERNET TROLL who's real intent is to start arguments for the fun of it? All he is good at is LYING with his gay boyfriends and shoving his head up his boyfriends' ASSHOLES. What a sad excuse for a human being.
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
Well done.
MisterLepton 1 month ago
ok.... I'm following the debate as entirely neutral here. The next question is: can you give an example of information increase in the genome which *does not* result in impairment of cognitive ability and physical growth as in Downs?
fourplusseven 1 month ago
@fourplusseven
"I'm following the debate as entirely neutral here."
Sure you are. It's always funny to see you lying christians come here and post that stupid lie, as if nobody could see from the lies you post that you are not even close to being neutral. Your christian lies give you away. When you believe in childish fairy tales the lack of critical thinking skills is impossible to hide.
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
@FourDeuce01 One thing I'm definitely not is a Christian. Have a look at my blog if you like.
I'm just after an answer to my question.
fourplusseven 1 month ago
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@fourplusseven
"One thing I'm definitely not is a Christian."
You fools think it makes a difference WHICH fairy tales you believe, but to a person with a working brain it really doesn't make any difference whatsoever. Whether you believe in one fairy tale or another is unimportant to me. The FACT that you believe in ANY fairy tales means you lack critical thinking skills. "I'm just after an answer to my question."
That's funny. So many christians have said the SAME lie.
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
@fourplusseven
"I'm following the debate as entirely neutral here."
Right. That's why you ask a question with the clear intent of proving evolution is wrong. If you want to argue about evolution it would really help if you first learned about it. Trying to argue about it based on ignorance and lies just makes you look foolish.
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
@FourDeuce01 I never argued about evolution, nor do I doubt its existence. I asked one question about it, not to "prove anything wrong" (in one question??) but simply out of curiosity as to the answer. I didn't view the question as arbitrative of the truth or falsehood of an entire theory. I didn't advance an argument.
You've been arguing too long and are hot tempered. I suggest a nice cup of tea and a sit down. If you don't know the answer to my question simply ignore it. Bye now!
fourplusseven 1 month ago
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@fourplusseven
"I never argued about evolution, nor do I doubt its existence. I asked one question about it,"
Yes, you asked the same question many other liars have asked, and now you want to hide from the truth again by pretending you don't have an agenda. The question you asked reveals the truth, that you don't have a clue about evolution. "I suggest a nice cup of tea"
You are as arrogant as all the other christians, to ASSume that I take suggestions from idiots.
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
@fourplusseven
"If you don't know the answer to my question simply ignore it"
If you learned something about evolution you would know the answer to your own question, and you might even figure out how to hide your dishonesty better.
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
@fourplusseven
"I never argued about evolution, nor do I doubt its existence."
I already told you your lies are transparent, and you still try to lie again. You aren't very smart, are you? "You've been arguing too long and are hot tempered."
You know nothing about me, but then, you know nothing about evolution, and that doesn't stop you from trying to discuss it. Typical theistic arrogance and ignorance.
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
@FourDeuce01 OK all-knowing one, prove that I am lying. What's the lie I'm telling?
fourplusseven 1 month ago
@fourplusseven
"OK all-knowing one,"
There's another lie, unless you can show where I claimed that. You just can't help lying, can you? Of course, you'll just lie again to answer that question, won't you?
"prove that I am lying. What's the lie"
Already showed 2 of your lies. Did I type too fast for you?
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
@FourDeuce01 OK so I'm to take it you actually think that I'm trying to disprove evolution?
fourplusseven 1 month ago
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@fourplusseven
"What's the lie I'm telling?"
Correction: I already showed you 3 of your lies.
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
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@FourDeuce01 OK so I'm to take it you actually think that I'm trying to disprove evolution?
fourplusseven 1 month ago
The answer is simple, Trisomy 13, 18 and 21. This guys mentions 21, creationists are tards that can't google.
grahamgeons 1 month ago
Trolls are cowards, and @FourDeuce01 is one of them idiots. Troll me if you dare! You can't right? Of course you can't ever take me in hand with your daft trolling tactics. Your tactics won't work. You don't dare to come back here? Coward! I say COWARD. Die a coward, that's what you always are. And to anyone seeing this comment, he doesn't deserve a word of kindness. Much has shown him already by now. He should just die, one less scum on the earth.
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
Obviously @Fourdeuce01 is not a man, cowardly troll hiding from me!
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
Apparently @Fourdeuce01 isn't credible. He only has a reputation of shoving his head into asses
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
Whenever someone says something about Credibility, I always check his background to see if he has ANY to begin with. Apparently @Fpurd
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
So is down syndrome gonna change an ape to a human? lol, good luck with that...
xXsakkelaoXx 1 month ago
@xXsakkelaoXx your assumption that every mutation (that adds data to genome) HAS to be beneficial is kinda funny :)
MuF123 1 month ago
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@MuF123 do it the @FourDeuce01 way. Don't have to be so polite to @xXsakkelaoXx.
'So is down syndrome gonna change an ape to a human? lol, good luck with that...'
Liar. Anyone who disagrees with me @Fourdeuce01 is a LIAR and must have his head shoved up my arsehole because I love being f**ked by virile young males.
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
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@MuF123
"your assumption that every mutation (that adds data to genome) HAS to be beneficial is kinda funny)
But that's what his cretinist masters told him, and they wouldn't lie to him, would they? ;)
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
@xXsakkelaoXx evolution doesn't work like that - bellend
Dagvalda 1 month ago
@xXsakkelaoXx
"lol, good luck with that."
Good luck with posting lies on Youtube and trying to retain any credibility. You'll need it.
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
@FourDeuce01 Yeah, you sure need a lot of luck if you are ever gonna shove your head into your boyfriend's asshole. Fortunately, Fourdeuce01 has lots of luck. And fortunately for Dawkins, Darwin, and Fourdeuce01, monkeys have plenty of luck too, if not, monkeys with Down Syndrome would never have evolved into Fourdeuce01 and the rest of his bros. Please thank your ansectors, Fourdeuce01. You can't always be so lucky and stupid at the same time.
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
Trolling coward asshole screwer @FourDeuce01 don't dare to answer me! Got out-trolled by me? Yes I AM a troll, I am trolling you! Go ahead, give your smartass answers! Cat got your tongue?
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
Thank you, good sir.
I believe you have earned 10 internets... here, have mine!
M4xH4xCentaurus 1 month ago
Aren't you going to give your smartass answer to @Imax1971? @Fourdeuce01?? Or your head is stuck in your boyfriend's asshole???
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
Sorry, my youtube thread hadn't updated. I'm concerned with the aggressive undertones beneath a lot of Dawkins's evolutionary arguments, especially within his live debates. However, a lot of theists are also guilty of this, perhaps more so. When it comes to a topic of this importance, and it really is of immense importance, there is no room for arrogant, emotive, bullying-esque tactics. We as intelligent beings have approached a theoretical impasse, we must be calm and respectful of each other.
minarima 1 month ago
A loser doesn't DARE reply me. Why? Because he knows he is a TROLL and nothing worthwhile saying except bitching and being a childish nuisance. Right @Fourdeuce01?? He's knows he can't fool and bait me into a silly argument. What a coward and loser! COWARD I say! COWARD!
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
@Fourdeuce01 is a loser. @Fourdeuce01 is a loser
@Fourdeuce01 is a loser
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
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@Fourdeuce01 I'm a mind reader if you are looking for one. I just read your mind DIRTY OLD MAN! Don't you think I don't know you are thinking of LYING with your boyfriends and stuffing your head up their assholes. You have your head up assholes for so long the only thing you know about is the EVOLUTION OF ASSHOLES. You naughty naughty OLD MAN!
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
I really am amused how people can waste their time with a troll like @Fourdeuce01 and he probably at this for years.
If you don't know what an internet troll is, google it.
I refused to talk sense with him, so now he's ignoring me. @Fourdeuce01 is NOTHING but a big LOSER IN LIFE hiding behind a monitor and keyboard and mouse. Right OLD MAN @Fourdeuce01???
faithhopelove1987 1 month ago
come on now, you know very well that this isn't what the question meant by 'increase in information'. perhaps to be more clear what we're looking for is 'new information', i.e. information that wasn't in the genome previously, i.e. evolutionary 'progress'. mongolism is not an example of this.
although if you're a fan of dawkins, i guess i shouldn't be surprised that sophistry is your go-to move. nice try, though. you did manage to fool 4 078 youtubers, so there's a feather in your cap.
eleutheromaniac 1 month ago
@eleutheromaniac
"you know very well that this isn't what the question meant by 'increase in information'."
Says who? Are you a mind reader? Are you so sure the person asking the question was too stupid to ask what they really wanted to ask?
"i.e. evolutionary 'progress'."
There is no such thing. Saying that reveals you are clueless about evolution.
"i shouldn't be surprised that sophistry is your go-to move."
I'm not surprised that lying is your go-to move.
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
@eleutheromaniac viruses always introduce new genetic material into the cell they infect, that is how they reproduce. So there is another example of how genetic material can be added.
woodicw 1 month ago
So, if we all come from the same evolutionary pool, that would mean that we all would have fucked up genetics? It is a proven fact that animals of different genus can sometimes reproduce but the offspring will be sterile or die at infancy. So, if we all came from the same genetic wash that would mean that evolution would have been stopped in its tracks from the beginning.
Please take a look at the crossing of a lion and a tiger=Liger. If we came to be in a similar manner then what would happen?
superfluteman1 1 month ago
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@superfluteman1
"So, if we all come from the same evolutionary pool, that would mean that we all would have fucked up genetics?"
Nope. If you really want to discuss evolution you should first go and learn something about it. To learn about it, you need to go where the truth can be found. That means no cretinist book or website.
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
HAHAHA... What's funnier? The political hack Dawkins or this guy acting like a scientist? Thanks for the laugh imrational!.....
imax1971 1 month ago
@imax1971
"Thanks for the laugh imrational!"
Why thank him for the laugh? The laugh is a product of your own ignorance and arrogance. You weak-minded gullible fools think ONLY scientists can understand science, but it's not true. Anybody with a working brain can understand much of science. Even a christian can understand the basics, even though they refuse to.
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
@FourDeuce01 Thanks for another laugh. Nondisjunction (which he didn't mention, is what causes 95% of downs syndrome) and translocation (which he did mention) are errors in the cell splitting process... What does this have to do with natural selection or the theory of evolution?
imax1971 1 month ago
@imax1971 Evolution can work by random mutations. These mutations can be either detrimental or beneficial to the organism. Detrimental mutations cause the organism to die (and cause the responsible DNA to be lost), and beneficial mutations will allow the organism to perform better (and pass its DNA on.) Down Syndrome is a random error--a mutation--in meiosis.
Life is an imperfect mechanism. Think of a cell dividing and how many things can go "wrong" in that complex process.
Ifcabod 1 month ago
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@Ifcabod "Detrimental mutations cause the organism to die (and cause the responsible DNA to be lost)"....
????? LMAO!
"Down Syndrome is a random error--a mutation--in meiosis."..... LOL! Great copy and paste job........ You clearly have no clue...
You are not smart enough to even see that I was leading you...
imax1971 1 month ago
@imax1971
"What does this have to do with natural selection or the theory of evolution?"
If you learned what evolution is you wouldn't have to ask such stupid questions. If you need somebody to hold your hand, go to your cretinist masters. It's not my job to try to teach stupid people something they don't want to learn.
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
@FourDeuce01 I know exactly what evolution is. It is theory that cannot be proven... It is a theory perpetuated by people like Dawkin's who have agenda's.. Natural Selection in not fact. You can call me stupid until you're blue in the face. That will not change this. The Earth was once a ball of fire... According to you guys, nothing created everything.. To my knowledge, there isn't a scientist on the planet that can produce life from non living matter.. Is there?
imax1971 1 month ago
@imax1971
"I know exactly what evolution is."
That means your lies about it are not from ignorance, but from dishonesty. Ok. "According to you guys, nothing created everything"
Liar. I have NEVER said that.
"To my knowledge, there isn't a scientist on the planet that can produce life from non living matter"
To your knowledge there aren't any gods, either. Can you prove any gods exist?
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
@FourDeuce01 "That means your lies about it are not from ignorance, but from dishonesty."
Lies? Dishonesty? I simply pointed out that natural select
imax1971 1 month ago
@imax1971 actually, there has recently been a few scientists that published a report saying that either they have created life from chemicals, or have shown a process that looks very promising to do so. Either way though, to dismiss evolution is disregarding a very well documented process that proves the theory of evolution. Have you ever seen a dog?
woodicw 1 month ago
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@woodicw What are you talking about??? How can you say with a straight face that a group of scientists published a report "saying that either they have created life from chemicals, or have shown a process that looks very promising to do so"... You completely contradicted yourself in one sentence... Either they did or didn't! The answer is, they didn't. Life cannot be produced from non living matter.. Yes I have seen a dog. Your point?
imax1971 1 month ago
@imax1971 There isn't a scientist on this Earth that can 'create' a black hole, but that doesn't prohibit a black hole from being a real, naturally occurring phenomenon. The lack of intelligence in these youtube comments really shocks me, and slowly but surely I'm losing all confidence in the human race. Really I am. If you can't say anything intelligent, please don't say anything at all.
minarima 1 month ago
@minarima Why are you losing confidence in the human race? Because there are people that don't subscribe to the belief system of Dawkins? Natural selection is not fact, it is a theory perpetuated by people like Dawkins who clearly have an agenda.. You question the intelligence of others yet you use a black whole to make your point? We are talking about biology, not astronomy. I have an open mind. If you would like to have a civil discussion, I'd like that. If not, I wish you the best.
imax1971 1 month ago
@imax1971 Not at all, and please don't be so quick to pigeon hole me. In all honesty I feel uneasy with the aggressive undertones of Dawkins, he does appear to be quite closed off intellectually, perhaps not as cool, calm and collected as one would hope from somebody who rates reason and empiricism so highly.
minarima 1 month ago
@minarima My intent was not to "pigeon hole" you.. I have simply pointing out that natural selection is not fact and that Dawkins has an agenda.. I'm not sure how to respond to what you wrote to me in regards to your opinion of Dawkins. Elaborate...
imax1971 1 month ago
@imax1971 May I just add imax1971 that my deep-seated frustration lies in the throwing around of the term 'god' on youtube; It's my opinion that you must state your definition of a term before any meaningful conversation can occur. Are we discussing an anthropomorphic, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent god who is both personal and judgmental? Or a non-judgmental, non-omniscient dehumanized god? or something in-between? Even followers of the same religion can possess definitions that differ.
minarima 1 month ago
@minarima I never mentioned God or religion. The topic of discussion is biology, specifically Natural Selection and Dawkins.. You made a comment regarding Dawkins and I asked you to elaborate on it. You chose not to answer.. Why the deflection? Do you believe that only religious people don't sign on to what Dawkins preaches?
imax1971 1 month ago
@imax1971 Hate to break it to you there, but natural selection is a fact. It has been witnessed to occur time and again. Scientists do not have an agenda, all they are trying to do is answer questions about natural phenomena, and will report their findings no matter if they like them or not. If you really do have an open mind, go read up on some of these things, learn the science behind it. You will change your mind.
woodicw 1 month ago
@imax1971 the dawkins in this video is a world class scientist and not a politician. you must be very confused. imrational's answer is correct.
mcmanustony 1 month ago
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@mcmanustony
"you must be very confused."
He's a christian. Of course he's confused. ;)
FourDeuce01 1 month ago
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@Fourdeuce01 there are NO TROLLS in YT, only. In WORLD OF WARCRAFT. OLD USELESS MAN, get off your butt and do something USEFUL with your life. If you can't contribute anything USEFUL to this world, you should just die. And stop playing WORLD OF WARCRAFT. No one believes in that fairytale game.
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
@FourDeuce01 told u so many times, if you want ADULT STUFF, go google. Shoving your head inside assholes won't help and Youtibe doesn't have ADULT videos. Trolling the comments won't help either.
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
triploidy, tetraploidy, etc
robertsonian translocations
isochromosomes
the list goes on and on of mutations that lead to a gain of genetic information.
a004 2 months ago
@a004
It's a waste of time posting facts for the fools. They aren't interested in the truth. Trolls just want attention, and they'll do whatever it takes to get it. They'll never learn what evolution is, so they'll never be able to discuss it like adults.
FourDeuce01 2 months ago
I have enough fun with the troll @FourDeuce01. Let everyone take NOTE, @Fourdeuce01 is a TROLL. DON'T feed him
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
@FourDeuce01 look, I KNOW you love shoving your head up your BOYFRIENDS' assholes, but pls realise that @LanceKolaski and I have no wish to join you in your weird hobby. I also KNOW you love exploring the anatomy of your asshole, but we aren't that flexible to have our head up our asshole like you can, neither are we interested in doing so. Thank you very much.
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
@LanceKolaski2 haha! He will NEVER post anything intelligent or significant here. He's been at this trolling business since more than a year ago when I stumbled upon here.
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
@Fourdeuce01 @LanceKolaski2 and I are definitely ignorant about LYING besides assholes and shoving our heads up assholes looking for BULLSHIT. Thanks for helping us understand the biology of your boyfriends assholes, but we wish to be ignorant of the stinky details. We do not wish to know how the anatomy of your boyfriends' assholes evolve over time.
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
@LanceKolaski2 don't feed the trolls
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
@LanceKolaski2 he is a troll. No matter what you say, he will call you a list. Don't waste your time.
Am I right? @FourDeuce01? All you do is troll YT and LIE besides your boyfriends' assholes.
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
@faithhopelove1987 do not worry. I already told him that I would not reply until I see something intelligent in his post. But thanks.
LanceKolaski2 2 months ago
@LanceKolaski2
"I already told him that I would not reply until I see something intelligent in his post."
Then you'll never reply since you can't see anything intelligent until you pull your head out of your ass.
FourDeuce01 2 months ago
@LanceKolaski2 No no no, @FourDeuce01 is ALWAYS right. Don't try to argue against it. You are always wrong no matter what. So don't say anything if you don't want to sound like a liar. Only people who LIE down with their gay boyfriends like @FourDeuce01 are ALWAYS correct.
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
Also, (see my other comment) one would think that Ricard Dawkins would have long ago considered this and mentioned it immediately; rather, he does not so as to not make himself seem unintelligent by using something that is obviously not a good example.
LanceKolaski2 2 months ago
That does not really answer the question because it implies a genetic mutation that helps whatever species in it's evolutionary process to survive or advance. Down syndrome is a clear example of a minor defect within one species. If this was truly an example of what the question was seeking, then we would see the coming of a new species with down syndrome; rather, men with down syndrome tend to be sterile while women with the same defect have a higher chance of miscarriage.
LanceKolaski2 2 months ago
@LanceKolaski2
"That does not really answer the question because it implies a genetic mutation that helps whatever species in it's evolutionary process to survive or advance."
Wrong, liar. There was no such implication made anywhere. If you want to claim there was, good luck proving it.
FourDeuce01 2 months ago
@FourDeuce01 Haha, fine, for your sake I will. The whole purpose of the hypothesis called macro evolution is to help a species either adapt or advance in a given environment. This is often called "survival of the fittest" in case you do not know. In an intelligent conversation, why would they be asking for something that degrades a species? That would be absurd. Even Dawkins probably knew that, which is why he did not give that answer. Please, think before you scream liar. Thank you :)
LanceKolaski2 2 months ago
@LanceKolaski2
"The whole purpose of the hypothesis called macro evolution is to help a species either adapt or advance in a given environment."
Still wrong, liar. No matter how many times you repeat bullshit lies, they do not become true.
"In an intelligent conversation, why would they be asking for something that degrades a species?"
If you knew anything about evolution, you wouldn't need to ask such stupid questions.
FourDeuce01 2 months ago
@LanceKolaski2
"Please, think before you scream liar."
Good advice coming from a liar who doesn't even know how to think.
You should stick with your fairy tales, because biology is definitely not a subject you are qualified to discuss.
FourDeuce01 2 months ago
@LanceKolaski2
"The whole purpose of the hypothesis called macro evolution"
Let me help you with your ignorance so you don't look so stupid in the future. There IS no "hypothesis" called macro evolution. The Theory of Evolution is what you are supposed to be discussing. Try to follow along. Holding your hand like this is something your parents and teachers should be doing.
FourDeuce01 2 months ago
@FourDeuce01 hahahahahahahahahahahaha, I love it when ignorant people only reply with insults. It first shows their level of intelligence and it shows that they have no answers and just spew out pointless comments. But most importantly, it tells me not to waste my time trying to argue with such ignorance. Please reply to my comments when you have something worth reading; otherwise, don't waste your energy. I won't reply to it anymore.
LanceKolaski2 2 months ago
@LanceKolaski2
"I love it when ignorant people only reply with insults"
I love it when you christians call the truth "insults". It reveals your fundamental lack of integrity.
FourDeuce01 2 months ago
Yup, @Fourdeuce01 is SENILE and STUMPED, just like DOG-SKINS (dawkins)
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
@Fourdeuce01 is not just OLD. He's getting SENILE too and probably has forgotten how to use a computer. Dementia is incurable ... so SAD. So OLD, LONELY and USELESS, dying of cancer and AIDS from screwing too many asses, now also SENILE!
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
@Fourdeuce01 OLD (useless) man douchebag, are you still alive? Or dead already?
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
Also remember to attend his funeral because it seems that most of his friends and family can't appreciate his words of WISDOM and INSIGHT, according to his YT profile. So let us, those who can APPRECIATE his WORDS of WISDOM attend his funeral, if not he will be a LONELY OLD MAN on his FINAL 'JOURNEY'
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
Okay guys I think @Fourdeuce01 is dying soon of OLD age. That's why he's not commenting as much as he should. Please visit him while you can and pay him your last RESPECTS before he goes .... Thank you! Yup, your last RESPECTS.
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
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@Fourdeuce01 before you try to DISCUSS something, go and find out the definition of DISCUSS in a dictionary. If you AREN'T EDUCATED ENOUGH to use a dictionary, STOP PLAYING WORLD OF WARCRAFT and save some moneyvfor your funeral, get insurance in case you get a HEART ATTACK, OLD MAN!
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
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@Fourdeuce01 if you are interested in actually LEARNING something, stop LYING besides your boyfriends' asshole and do something USEFUL, you will be amazed at the things you will LEARN. @Zoosexuality and I aren't interested in becoming your arsehole licking buddies.
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
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@Fourdeuce01 @zoosexuality you SURE you can 'see many things'? All you do everyday is LYING beside your boyfriends assholes. What ELSE do you see besides assholes?
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
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@malithe00 LOL ... I agree!! Haha
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
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FourDouche01 is an imbecile but then again, ALL leftists, liberals, atheists, marxists etc. are all, either imbeciles or liars. LOL for true
malithe00 2 months ago
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@Fourdeuce01 okay lets observe a minute of silence for the DEAD arsehole Fourdeuce01 ...
In the name of the great Rhesus Cries because his arsehole can't be screwed by Fourdeuce01 anymore.
rAmen!
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
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@Fourdeuce01 oh well, you're probably dead from heart attack screwing too many assholes, or you are just too OLD, about time you go anyway. Previously you were an arsehole, now you're a DEAD arsehole. I feel SAD
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
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@Fourdeuce01 not done screwing 5 year old boys? Don't you usually have so much to comment? @joi12345678 asked a question. Not going to show off your smart ass answers? Huh?
faithhopelove1987 2 months ago
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@Fourdeuce01 too busy screwing your boyfr