my truck frame manufacturing plant closed in 2005 being one of the first dominos to fall,luckly i have another job & last autumn I made a delivery to the new owners eg only part of the plant was torn down so it was quiet an interesting delivery.
These factory closings have been going on up here for last 30yrs..went WILD riiight after "free trade"...now with "global trade" workers are "finished". We cannot compete! We cannot have a home & NOT HEAT IT..the pipes FREEZE! NO veggies grow in Winter. We cannot work for 0.25/HR
There are industrial ghost towns up here now.
Dad/Mom apply for same crappy min wage jobs as their kids now...the Food Banks are depended on now not anymore a temporary help.
$40k vehicle is a bout $3500 so no the cost of the worker is not too high it's not even close to fair, we could pay our auto workers $150/hour with benefits and still be more than profitable enough. get a clue sir you are being lied to by executive that think the money is theirs when if fact they are nothing but people put in place by the real worker, the welder and assembly people. work makes a company not pushing paper.
@nhoogen1 UT'S NOT UNREASONABLE TO PUSH OUT A $40K VEHICLE EVERY 3 MINUTES AND EXPECT A FAIR SHARE OF THE INCOME WHILE DOING ALL THE WORK WAKE UP THE EMPLOYEE IS THE REASON FOR THE WORK AND NOT AN UNECCESARY EXPENSE, THE PEOPLE AT THE TOP ARE SUPPORT FOR THE WORKER NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. PROFIT IS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE WORK NOT THE PEOPLE WHO PUSH PAPER AROUND.
@circusboy90210 sorry moron greed should be celebrated! GM cars are crap and nobody wants to buy them because they are utter shit. Your Communist union buddies are doing nothing but smoking dope and striking for insane salaries.
@gopconservative78 hahaha whatever. insane?? more like pennies compared to the value their labor creates. do the math $48k vehicle cost $3500 in labor. finished vehicle off the line every 3 minutes 24/7/365 , thoe people are highly underpaid. oh union jobs have drug test on a random basis so dope smoking is not an option. you logic is flawed sir.
@circusboy90210 Have to actually done a full economic analysis? Where do you get the $3500 labor cost? What about Materials, Transport, fuel to keep the lights on, insurance costs? You like a typical moron who has never done a complete economic analysis on ANYTHING!
@gopconservative78 materials cost is even less than that. I have friends in middle management over there at gm. those other cost are very minimal compared to the profit involved. I have done a economic analysis on ever business I've ever operated and many that have interested me. your conjecture on my lifestyle skillset and experience are laudible, haha not. the only overpayed people at gm are the ceos who perform no function other than glue to keep the whole thing running smoothly.
@gopconservative78 Worked at GM. Did the analysis. I think your labor cost estimate is a bit high. Our TOTAL plant cost (excluding material) was less than that.
what an idiot you don't sell your tools for a short term need, maybe he should not have tried to help everybody and went into photo journalism harder.
Questions about how I came up with 100K. If you take the wage is about 60 K (30/hr for 2080 hours or 40 a week), 5K for overtime, value of health insurance (don't know exactly I'm government plan is NOT as good as GM) 30K for a family plan, Retirement is about 7,500 (figuring 11.5% like the state plan costs, again GM is better than state). That's about 100K, I grew up outside a GM town (Lansing MI) most folks I new got more than 100 hours a year OT unless they were in the parts plant.
Well the government added all these requirements to our vehicles for gas mileage and emissions and crash and .... and got the price of cars so high the average person doesn't buy a new car every two or three years. It makes sense if we keep our cars twice as long you only need half the auto workers to build our cars good bye 100K/year unskilled labor jobs.
@Allante715 auto workers got paid very fucking well for the skill level of their job... They can thank the unions but then again they help price themselves out of a job
Problem was no one was buying GM cars at that time. They were poorly designed and poorly executed. You can blame the production workers, but they build what they are told to build. Management seems to always escape the blame.
@Allante715 it had nothing to do with managment.. Chevy was one of the best selling brands till the housing collapse and gas went up to 4+ a gallon. People wanted small cars and sold off all their trucks.. I even got a 2002 chevy 4x4 perfect condition for 5500 because guy couldn't fill it. .. Chevy still holds the highest resale of all trucks still today ... People now are buying trucks again and sales are up and there is nothing wrong with their trucks.
@daddyoca69 My brother followed me when I told him not to and ended finishing assembly of his 2010 Silverado truck himself with a tube of Permatex glue cause the door gaskets kept falling off. his Truck was assembled in Mexico and I bet that didn't help either. Took me four years to get all the bugs out of my 2000. I have a 1/2" stack of dealer work orders. only good thing is motor,trans,& brakes. Never will hand G.M.32K again.
@ENCO12357 I had a 2000 Silverado for about 8 months. Bought brand new, Problems were antilock brakes would wrongly engage but GM had stated no problems, and the pedal would go to the floor w/o warning, rear window leaking had to be repaired twice by dealer,. Had bent rim, all four tires had to be replaced by dealer, had torque convertor chudder which the dealer said could not be fixed. Truck also had a weird bouncing feel to the ride. I traded it in, for a used car and lost money
@Lockemeister I feel your pain.Got most bugs out around 35K.Electronic 4x4 selector went out at 55K $900.00 repair job.Manual 4by selector N/A from Factory any more.Anti lock went out @ 60K,I'll just fish tail it til next brake job.Front lens pop off fog lamp,replacement lamp $100 screw it,made my own lens $5 Turned 70K this week and all is well. 3rd set of shocks will be more firm to get rid of that bounce you talk about.Still on my 1st set of brakes that's good.
@ENCO12357 I almost bought a Silverado that was made inMexico. Thank God I didn't. The truck I bought was made in Ft. Wayne, Indiana, and I'm very proud of it.
@daddyoca69 As of today Ford F-250 is assembled in Louisville, Ky. Engine and trans are also made in U.S.A. Think I'll pass on Obama's Government Motors this time. Happy new year!!
@ENCO12357 First off not all fords parts are made in America and also GM has paid back its loans a while back and still doing better than Ford.. Only reason Ford did not borrow money is they found some large private loans and they didn't retool much. Ford is going to have a tough time loosing cops contracts and possible uhaul and others..
The sense of entitlement of these UAW employees is horrendous !
A lot of these employees received six figure severance packages which is better than most unemployed peoples dreams.
Watching the original movie and complaints of how they got screwed by GM, or "GM owes us.....something".... these UAW employees live in a fantasy world of poorly made cars and entitlements.
All of this is of your own doing, crappy cars + greedy unions = failure and about time.
You're implying that our interconnected lives are are reliant on whether or not mismanaged Detroit auto companies and greedy employees remain employed?
The invisible hand of the marketplace has deemed these low quality vehicles and the underlying greed unworthy of consumption.
Are we supposed to subsidize GM by purchasing their junk and deeming it patriotic to waste our money on their cars that catch fire and their unwillingness to properly repair them?
I'm not American and I feel for these people. It realy hits home because I'm an industrial electrician too. I worked in mines, foundries facories and steel mills.
Right now I work in a mill that made steel for GM ford and Chrylser ( as well as Honda ). They don't order much coil these days and with high iron prices extorted by the likes of Vale we can't aford to make it for profit.
Now we make armour plate for export to the USA. We are the only mill left that produces it
@SeymourButtz99 sorry but the camaro is not junk, neither is the corvette, cadillac?? yeah the chineses are buying the fuck out that one. what happened was the feds gave a mandate for gm to make eco shit boxes nobody wanted, then when that backfired, the feds tried to say it was the gas guzzlers nobody wanted not selling. nothing could be further from the truth. americans make the best deal for the dollar, twice a big with just as good fuel economy as a honda and 4 times the power and safety.
@circusboy90210 American's make the best deal for the dollar? Seriously? GM's been making Shit for years. Only in the last few have they come up with the Malibu, and, when you look under that shiney new valve cover, it's the same piece of shit 2.8L V6 that was in the Grand Am in 1986. Puhlease.
@MrSupertwo no it's not the same engine many things are different if you were a mechnic you would know this. the malibu??? gm was strong enough purchase many other other brands and created the most profiable brands ever like hummer , and caddilac. if gm is such crap why is china the leading importer of these brands? I drive many different cars whenever possible and dollar for dollar the american car is best when all things are taken into account.
@circusboy90210 Yeah, it is the same engine. They've put an adjustable cam sprocket on the front of it, added a few sensors, added a coil on plug ignition system, but, it's the same Shitty Push-Rob V6 as the old. So you tell me, what are the many things that are different that make it NEW??? It still has Intake Manifold leaks, and, it still uses the same shitty old made in Mexico crank sensors that fail. It's not just crap, it's FUCKEN CRAP. And, because China buys it does not mean it's good.
@MrSupertwo your words explian how it's nt the same engine. push rods are good for certain applications, we are not building a f1 car here. I'm a real mechanic I deal with real world problems not the penny anty bs a dealership gets. I rebuild entire vehicles not just parts of the drivtrain. tell me what does rolls royce meril use? overhead cams or pushrods? mexico makes dam good guitars and other stuff.
And, if you're talking about dollar for dollar, ok. GM puts a lot of Bells and Whistles in their cars. Not as many Chrysler, but, they do. If that's what you mean, sure... Whatever. But, you walk into a GM Dealership, and look at the Shit the Mechanics have to fight with. I've been there in the trenchs, I know the product VERY WELL.
@MrSupertwo would rather have a Cadillac than a Mercedes any day of the week, however prefer the Lincoln town car to even that. have driven almost every luxury car known to man. the Mercedes just looks and feels clunky and there are diminishing returns for the amount of cost involved.
@northerbrewer the uaw killed the auto industry, its a fact. these minorty ridden, women hiring companys became ENTITLEMENT factorys, with liitl or no pride in making sure the compay survived. its a me me me attituede, and the company had no choice ut to move the manufactring part of this great industry out UAW territory. god bless em
@TheHulahulahula If the UAW killed the auto industry, why is Ford thriving? The UAW didn't kill the auto industry. Corporate greed did. There's nothing wrong with working for a decent wage and decent benefits. There is something wrong with one making millions of dollars a year, while their neighbor is struggling to get by. Coporate greed has destroyed our economy.
@TheHulahulahula i would like people like you to explain to me why a factory worker on the floor shouldn't make a decent wage but management should? So if its ok to out source cheaper labor why not out source cheaper management? Why dont we hire Japanese CEOs for 1mill a year instead of american ones for 100mill a year. I mean if you think its ok to do this to union workers why not do it to management
@ntstick06 workers producing a new vehicle are not over payed even if they were payed $300 per hour . the amount of productivity the automotive plant dwarf the employees cost. the average hours per car is about 23 human hours robotics cost really do not enter into the equation.
my truck frame manufacturing plant closed in 2005 being one of the first dominos to fall,luckly i have another job & last autumn I made a delivery to the new owners eg only part of the plant was torn down so it was quiet an interesting delivery.
curtis7690 1 month ago
Good day
These factory closings have been going on up here for last 30yrs..went WILD riiight after "free trade"...now with "global trade" workers are "finished". We cannot compete! We cannot have a home & NOT HEAT IT..the pipes FREEZE! NO veggies grow in Winter. We cannot work for 0.25/HR
There are industrial ghost towns up here now.
Dad/Mom apply for same crappy min wage jobs as their kids now...the Food Banks are depended on now not anymore a temporary help.
How do you run a Country this way?
RetroCaptain 1 month ago
@nhoogen1 oh the average wage cost of a that
$40k vehicle is a bout $3500 so no the cost of the worker is not too high it's not even close to fair, we could pay our auto workers $150/hour with benefits and still be more than profitable enough. get a clue sir you are being lied to by executive that think the money is theirs when if fact they are nothing but people put in place by the real worker, the welder and assembly people. work makes a company not pushing paper.
circusboy90210 1 month ago
@nhoogen1 UT'S NOT UNREASONABLE TO PUSH OUT A $40K VEHICLE EVERY 3 MINUTES AND EXPECT A FAIR SHARE OF THE INCOME WHILE DOING ALL THE WORK WAKE UP THE EMPLOYEE IS THE REASON FOR THE WORK AND NOT AN UNECCESARY EXPENSE, THE PEOPLE AT THE TOP ARE SUPPORT FOR THE WORKER NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. PROFIT IS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE WORK NOT THE PEOPLE WHO PUSH PAPER AROUND.
circusboy90210 1 month ago
@circusboy90210 sorry moron greed should be celebrated! GM cars are crap and nobody wants to buy them because they are utter shit. Your Communist union buddies are doing nothing but smoking dope and striking for insane salaries.
gopconservative78 1 month ago
@gopconservative78 hahaha whatever. insane?? more like pennies compared to the value their labor creates. do the math $48k vehicle cost $3500 in labor. finished vehicle off the line every 3 minutes 24/7/365 , thoe people are highly underpaid. oh union jobs have drug test on a random basis so dope smoking is not an option. you logic is flawed sir.
circusboy90210 1 month ago
@circusboy90210 Have to actually done a full economic analysis? Where do you get the $3500 labor cost? What about Materials, Transport, fuel to keep the lights on, insurance costs? You like a typical moron who has never done a complete economic analysis on ANYTHING!
gopconservative78 1 month ago
@gopconservative78 materials cost is even less than that. I have friends in middle management over there at gm. those other cost are very minimal compared to the profit involved. I have done a economic analysis on ever business I've ever operated and many that have interested me. your conjecture on my lifestyle skillset and experience are laudible, haha not. the only overpayed people at gm are the ceos who perform no function other than glue to keep the whole thing running smoothly.
circusboy90210 1 month ago
@gopconservative78 Worked at GM. Did the analysis. I think your labor cost estimate is a bit high. Our TOTAL plant cost (excluding material) was less than that.
D0lly3447 2 weeks ago
what an idiot you don't sell your tools for a short term need, maybe he should not have tried to help everybody and went into photo journalism harder.
circusboy90210 1 month ago
Questions about how I came up with 100K. If you take the wage is about 60 K (30/hr for 2080 hours or 40 a week), 5K for overtime, value of health insurance (don't know exactly I'm government plan is NOT as good as GM) 30K for a family plan, Retirement is about 7,500 (figuring 11.5% like the state plan costs, again GM is better than state). That's about 100K, I grew up outside a GM town (Lansing MI) most folks I new got more than 100 hours a year OT unless they were in the parts plant.
fk4515 1 month ago
Lol GM moraine was not UAW it was IUE-CWA. Misinformation is great.
Allante715 1 month ago
no job lasts forever ,,,,
Bwah2012 1 month ago
Well the government added all these requirements to our vehicles for gas mileage and emissions and crash and .... and got the price of cars so high the average person doesn't buy a new car every two or three years. It makes sense if we keep our cars twice as long you only need half the auto workers to build our cars good bye 100K/year unskilled labor jobs.
fk4515 3 months ago
@fk4515
Who the fuck made over 100k without being a skilled tradesman (electrican, tool and die maker, ect..) Jesus Christ
Allante715 1 month ago
@Allante715 auto workers got paid very fucking well for the skill level of their job... They can thank the unions but then again they help price themselves out of a job
daddyoca69 1 month ago
@daddyoca69
Problem was no one was buying GM cars at that time. They were poorly designed and poorly executed. You can blame the production workers, but they build what they are told to build. Management seems to always escape the blame.
Allante715 1 month ago
@Allante715 it had nothing to do with managment.. Chevy was one of the best selling brands till the housing collapse and gas went up to 4+ a gallon. People wanted small cars and sold off all their trucks.. I even got a 2002 chevy 4x4 perfect condition for 5500 because guy couldn't fill it. .. Chevy still holds the highest resale of all trucks still today ... People now are buying trucks again and sales are up and there is nothing wrong with their trucks.
daddyoca69 1 month ago
@daddyoca69 My brother followed me when I told him not to and ended finishing assembly of his 2010 Silverado truck himself with a tube of Permatex glue cause the door gaskets kept falling off. his Truck was assembled in Mexico and I bet that didn't help either. Took me four years to get all the bugs out of my 2000. I have a 1/2" stack of dealer work orders. only good thing is motor,trans,& brakes. Never will hand G.M.32K again.
ENCO12357 1 month ago
@ENCO12357 I had a 2000 Silverado for about 8 months. Bought brand new, Problems were antilock brakes would wrongly engage but GM had stated no problems, and the pedal would go to the floor w/o warning, rear window leaking had to be repaired twice by dealer,. Had bent rim, all four tires had to be replaced by dealer, had torque convertor chudder which the dealer said could not be fixed. Truck also had a weird bouncing feel to the ride. I traded it in, for a used car and lost money
Lockemeister 1 month ago
@Lockemeister I feel your pain.Got most bugs out around 35K.Electronic 4x4 selector went out at 55K $900.00 repair job.Manual 4by selector N/A from Factory any more.Anti lock went out @ 60K,I'll just fish tail it til next brake job.Front lens pop off fog lamp,replacement lamp $100 screw it,made my own lens $5 Turned 70K this week and all is well. 3rd set of shocks will be more firm to get rid of that bounce you talk about.Still on my 1st set of brakes that's good.
ENCO12357 1 month ago
They made the last truck my fave truck a GMC Envoy Denali in WHITE!
TJC450 7 months ago
Now that GM trucks are made in Mexico. I will never buy another GM truck again, so help me God.
ENCO12357 7 months ago
@ENCO12357 I almost bought a Silverado that was made inMexico. Thank God I didn't. The truck I bought was made in Ft. Wayne, Indiana, and I'm very proud of it.
ajd1211 5 months ago
@ENCO12357 what are you going to buy? ford/dodge have shit made in mexico too ....
daddyoca69 1 month ago
@daddyoca69 As of today Ford F-250 is assembled in Louisville, Ky. Engine and trans are also made in U.S.A. Think I'll pass on Obama's Government Motors this time. Happy new year!!
ENCO12357 1 month ago
@ENCO12357 First off not all fords parts are made in America and also GM has paid back its loans a while back and still doing better than Ford.. Only reason Ford did not borrow money is they found some large private loans and they didn't retool much. Ford is going to have a tough time loosing cops contracts and possible uhaul and others..
daddyoca69 1 month ago
Everyone is entitiled to work a goob and be paid a decent pay for the work they do.
Theollie301 11 months ago
@Theollie301 no one is ENTITLED to have a good job and pay... thats something you EARN not GIVEN...
daddyoca69 1 month ago
that Kim Clay guy is doing alright now cuz he works with me.
nibornna 1 year ago
did they only build the trailblazer / envoy at this plant?
robertpicardo 1 year ago
@robertpicardo No they also built the Oldsmobile Bravada, and the Buick Rainier
Myaurora2001 1 year ago
@Myaurora2001 Thanks, what did they make before the 360 platform?
robertpicardo 1 year ago
@robertpicardo They made the previous 1st gen Bravada, Jimmy, Blazer before they went to the 360 platform.
Myaurora2001 1 year ago
The sense of entitlement of these UAW employees is horrendous !
A lot of these employees received six figure severance packages which is better than most unemployed peoples dreams.
Watching the original movie and complaints of how they got screwed by GM, or "GM owes us.....something".... these UAW employees live in a fantasy world of poorly made cars and entitlements.
All of this is of your own doing, crappy cars + greedy unions = failure and about time.
SeymourButtz99 1 year ago
@SeymourButtz99
Thats very cold...
These people were part of my life even though I never met them or even vissited that part of the USA.
I used to make steel, iron parts and raw materials for these cars and trucks.
Like threads you pull one here and one there and next thing you know our interconnected lives are reduced to tatters.
Whats worse is you only realize it after the fact when there is nothing you can do to put things back together
northerbrewer 1 year ago
@northerbrewer The stupidity is amazing!
You're implying that our interconnected lives are are reliant on whether or not mismanaged Detroit auto companies and greedy employees remain employed?
The invisible hand of the marketplace has deemed these low quality vehicles and the underlying greed unworthy of consumption.
Are we supposed to subsidize GM by purchasing their junk and deeming it patriotic to waste our money on their cars that catch fire and their unwillingness to properly repair them?
SeymourButtz99 1 year ago
@SeymourButtz99
I'm not American and I feel for these people. It realy hits home because I'm an industrial electrician too. I worked in mines, foundries facories and steel mills.
Right now I work in a mill that made steel for GM ford and Chrylser ( as well as Honda ). They don't order much coil these days and with high iron prices extorted by the likes of Vale we can't aford to make it for profit.
Now we make armour plate for export to the USA. We are the only mill left that produces it
northerbrewer 1 year ago
@SeymourButtz99 sorry but the camaro is not junk, neither is the corvette, cadillac?? yeah the chineses are buying the fuck out that one. what happened was the feds gave a mandate for gm to make eco shit boxes nobody wanted, then when that backfired, the feds tried to say it was the gas guzzlers nobody wanted not selling. nothing could be further from the truth. americans make the best deal for the dollar, twice a big with just as good fuel economy as a honda and 4 times the power and safety.
circusboy90210 1 month ago
@circusboy90210 American's make the best deal for the dollar? Seriously? GM's been making Shit for years. Only in the last few have they come up with the Malibu, and, when you look under that shiney new valve cover, it's the same piece of shit 2.8L V6 that was in the Grand Am in 1986. Puhlease.
MrSupertwo 1 week ago
@MrSupertwo no it's not the same engine many things are different if you were a mechnic you would know this. the malibu??? gm was strong enough purchase many other other brands and created the most profiable brands ever like hummer , and caddilac. if gm is such crap why is china the leading importer of these brands? I drive many different cars whenever possible and dollar for dollar the american car is best when all things are taken into account.
circusboy90210 1 week ago
@circusboy90210 Yeah, it is the same engine. They've put an adjustable cam sprocket on the front of it, added a few sensors, added a coil on plug ignition system, but, it's the same Shitty Push-Rob V6 as the old. So you tell me, what are the many things that are different that make it NEW??? It still has Intake Manifold leaks, and, it still uses the same shitty old made in Mexico crank sensors that fail. It's not just crap, it's FUCKEN CRAP. And, because China buys it does not mean it's good.
MrSupertwo 1 week ago
@MrSupertwo your words explian how it's nt the same engine. push rods are good for certain applications, we are not building a f1 car here. I'm a real mechanic I deal with real world problems not the penny anty bs a dealership gets. I rebuild entire vehicles not just parts of the drivtrain. tell me what does rolls royce meril use? overhead cams or pushrods? mexico makes dam good guitars and other stuff.
circusboy90210 1 week ago
And, if you're talking about dollar for dollar, ok. GM puts a lot of Bells and Whistles in their cars. Not as many Chrysler, but, they do. If that's what you mean, sure... Whatever. But, you walk into a GM Dealership, and look at the Shit the Mechanics have to fight with. I've been there in the trenchs, I know the product VERY WELL.
MrSupertwo 1 week ago
@MrSupertwo would rather have a Cadillac than a Mercedes any day of the week, however prefer the Lincoln town car to even that. have driven almost every luxury car known to man. the Mercedes just looks and feels clunky and there are diminishing returns for the amount of cost involved.
circusboy90210 1 week ago
@northerbrewer the uaw killed the auto industry, its a fact. these minorty ridden, women hiring companys became ENTITLEMENT factorys, with liitl or no pride in making sure the compay survived. its a me me me attituede, and the company had no choice ut to move the manufactring part of this great industry out UAW territory. god bless em
TheHulahulahula 11 months ago
@TheHulahulahula If the UAW killed the auto industry, why is Ford thriving? The UAW didn't kill the auto industry. Corporate greed did. There's nothing wrong with working for a decent wage and decent benefits. There is something wrong with one making millions of dollars a year, while their neighbor is struggling to get by. Coporate greed has destroyed our economy.
ajd1211 5 months ago
@TheHulahulahula i would like people like you to explain to me why a factory worker on the floor shouldn't make a decent wage but management should? So if its ok to out source cheaper labor why not out source cheaper management? Why dont we hire Japanese CEOs for 1mill a year instead of american ones for 100mill a year. I mean if you think its ok to do this to union workers why not do it to management
ntstick06 1 month ago 2
@ntstick06 workers producing a new vehicle are not over payed even if they were payed $300 per hour . the amount of productivity the automotive plant dwarf the employees cost. the average hours per car is about 23 human hours robotics cost really do not enter into the equation.
circusboy90210 1 week ago
@circusboy90210 I agree with you i do not think they are over paid at all
ntstick06 1 week ago
kate geiger has made yet another horrid career decision...graphic designers are a dollar a dozen...she should sell her hawg and go into nursing.
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