This pilot instructor says they are in Phoenix AZ The attacks started at 8:46 AM. They took a break and saw the attacks were happening, in Phoenix that would be 6:48 AM. What time did his class start 4:00 AM? does this sound logical to anyone?
They also tried to do it in a 737 this has a standard Yoke style wheel. The 767 is fly by wire with a stick.
why has the menus been disabled on the forum unless you "register" why cant people research anonamously ? are they building a list? who is really behind the site? Pilots For 9/11 Truth
I'm a professional pilot. This mans view and other arguments against the aircraft being flown by novices are nonsense, I'm confident I could hit that building at high speed while drunk. The part about Dutch Roll he mentions is gibberish, not relevant at all at the reported speed and altitude we're discussing here. As are his arguments for aileron reversal and flutter and exceeding Vmo... the aircraft haven't been tested at these speeds before so that is pure speculation, I could go on
@proc555 You must fly ultra-lights then. You could probably go on spouting nonsense, but what's the point? Your not being paid enough to dis-inform 24/7 are you? We do know that airplanes were not designed to perform outside of their designed limits. You CANNOT fly an airliner at 400 knots at sea level. Grow up.
Actually we know for a fact that their limits only say "the safe operation of the aircraft cannot be guaranteed beyond these limits". I don't think safety was much of a concern for the hijackers.
PSA 1771, Mach .9 in to a seaside hill, intact. A380, Mach .96, alive and well. EgyptAir 990, Mach .99 broke apart. FedEx 705 near transonic, extreme aerial maneuvers, intact. Pilot landed it alone without one ear and deep gashes on his head.
@Weirdo10o4 I am a disabled vet, so I can go on all day pal. Nothing else left to do but defend the uninformed from those who have sold their soul to defend lies. You will have your reality turned upon its head soon enough. Soon enough, you will come out of your hole and see that there are two suns in the sky. What will you believe then? Time will tell, time will tell.
@Weirdo10o4 What exactly do you think you've won? When the truth comes out, there won't be a hole deep enough for you to hide in. You will be on the endangered species list. If I'm wrong, then come find me and give me the justice my kind would so richly deserve which would probably be a bullet in the head from your kind. I wonder if you would be willing to give your life for the truth? Would be willing to subject yourself to public punishment if your wrong? I would, how about you?
Sorry, but handing out "justice" to misguided fools isn't my thing. Although I can't deny that you people should receive a hefty fine for derailing real activism and forgetting the real motive behind the 9/11 attacks. The only ones who should be persecuted are those who lie in order to profit. I.e. Richard Gage.
@Weirdo10o4 Stop bothering me little boy. Better yet, why don't you go enlist in the service. They can always use tools. You are already brainwashed so they might cut out 2 or three weeks of your advanced individualized training. The military needs all the people they can get right now. If you really believe in your bullshit, back it up by manning up and signing up. Otherwise, go pound rocks you puke.
@Weirdo10o4 You want the draft? I thought you loved your country? Are you a patriot? Does not matter where you are from. If you believe that terrorist attacked america and made NORAD look stupid then you should join and go and fight the terrorist. JOIN NOW. Your country needs you. What are you waiting for? The terrorist to come and get you? Get out there and kill them. Go son, go and fight for what you believe in.
@Weirdo10o4 So stop talking to me and go and fight for what you believe in. You know that you will never change my mind so why bother talking to me. Are you lonley? Not getting any love lately? You been at this nonsense for quite a while. Get out there and start killing for what you believe in you fraud. You said you would be a pilot. Great. Dropping bombs on women and children is what you wouldn't object to as long as your commander told you that they were terrorist. You again bore me
You have already made it clear you have no problem murdering someone for being wrong, Saint Daddë.
These conflicts have practically passed already. The UK is out of Iraq and the soonest I might even apply is 2015[withdrawal date for Afghanistan 2014] because of the 3 year residency limit. There probably won't be this type of rather pointless crusades in the future.
While we're on the subject, why was Ahmad Shah Massoud assassinated in such perfect coordination with the 9/11 attacks?
@Weirdo10o4 Why are you not out there killing for what you believe in then. I'm not interested in talking to you unless we can drink out of one of your trophy skulls. Go fight the terrorist hero. We need you to protect our international corporations rights. Stop wasting time on me, I don't have any fight left in me. You are young and able. Get out there son. Fight for what you believe in. Me I would never harm a fly. I dont believe in war for any reason.
"there won't be a hole deep enough for you to hide in. You will be on the endangered species list."
So to protect the international corporations rights = allowing 9/11/Cole/US embassy bombings/whatever terrorist attack? That's their right?
Yes, it's senseless to fight a War on Terror with conventional weapons and tactics such as a theater war. It should always have been an intel based war.
So you don't believe in stopping human rights violations?
@Weirdo10o4 I promise you that I won't personally do anything to you. You have my word. And I would never send anyone to do anything. You will be mostly hiding from yourself. Yes, corporations made a fortune during the war. There is no such thing as a war on terror. The europeans who came here to america and killed their way to success were terrorist. Should we just forget the lessons of history? There is no way to be proud of what the colonist did here in america. Who are you anyway?
Yes, corporations do make money. It's their raw purpose.
Yes you do have a bloody history, but that does not define you today. I'm not for the war in Iraq, it's senseless and they wiped out their resistance movement by abandoning the uprising in 91. But the war in Afghanistan was justified, even if you drop out the 9/11 attacks when considering it.
The war on terror is a massive intel war and it would have worked just fine at pre 9/11 authority levels.
@Weirdo10o4 There is no war on terror. What is terror? If you lived in Egypt, Jordan, Saudia Arabia, Iraq, Yemen, Lybia, Algeria during the past 40 or 50 years and had to deal with dictators who were propped up by americans who say they love freedom, just not yours, you might be a terrorist. George Bush was right. The terrorist hate our freedom. How can you support dictators out of one side of your mouth and say you love freedom out the other side of your mouth. History is important.
Ah, the real motive. Yes, it should have been dealt with. But that would not have stopped people from trying to murder innocent Americans, they're not guilty by affiliation.
@Weirdo10o4 that's because corporations that make weapons only make money when they sell them. You say that it should have been dealt with. We have had 50 years to deal with this problem. We assassinated the duly elected president of Iran because he wouldn't make a deal with the american oil companies. Then we put in a puppet dictator and were surprised that a revolution happened when they got tired of his nonsense. What history did you study? What do you know of the past?
I'd like a pilot's view of how fast a 747 can bank its wings.
The supposed 2nd plane appears to go from nearly level to a 45-degree angle in a few hundred feet, just before hitting the tower. Are they really that nimble?
@zenoist2 "The heavy titanium alloy engines disappeared on impact"
You keep posting this same clumsy lie, and when everyone points out all the photos of engine parts you run away like a little girl and post the same childish nonsense on another Youtube vid.
Are you just really bored, living in mommy's basement, dreaming of a real life someday?
Watch the "Hyperinflation" videos on YouTube from inflation.us Watch Keith Olbermann on Habeas Corpus from MSNBC and see your Bill of Rights thrown out the window. Watch HBO's Hacking Democracy and look into continuous vote fraud. Watch "National Security Alert" Watch "Richard Gage's Presentation/Manatoba University Watch Fall of the Republic" Watch "911 Press for Truth" Watch U.S. Spy Bill HR6304. Watch "Population Reduction by Dr Rima. ("The Tea Party Truther" - Facebook)
That's right about the airports being closed immediately after the attacks. I was scheduled to fly that day and it was never the same again. Texas State Technical College/Baylor Pilot Training Tech 2000-2002.
@thedayitriedtodie...Your name implies emptiness. Search instead for happiness. What flight paths into PENTAGRAM?? What in the world are you talkin about? The JFK video does not show a frontal impact from a rifle shot, It clearly shows 3 shots from behind. Have you ever shot a rifle before? The driver told Mrs. kennedy he heard 3 shots! He even slowed the car down to look behind him. The 3rd shot was easy to make! The driver screwed up. They knew oswald worked in the BDB. They drove that way!!!
JFK? what the fuck do u know? the man was shot from the front too, u can see that on video.
And about this, and considering these pilots could be fake, what do u have to say about their claims about being really hard to do what the highjackers did?not tomention structural issues?
and about the light poles, go see Loyd English's video, and what he has to say about that day.
do u even know there are 2 diverse flight paths on the pentagram?
@thedayitriedtodie Have you ever been to new jersey? You can see the WTC buildings for Miles and Miles away, Clearly. So why would you think it is hard to fly level flight into the buildings? They terrorists did not do any acrobatics, they just flew level, remember the second plane almost missed the building because he was flying beyond his skill level. 9/11 was not a conspiracy, just a bad day for all.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? or are you just guessing. Speeds.
This is becoming comical now. The utubers are trying to convince people that 9/11 planes could not reach the speeds they did on that morning. WAKE UP!!!!
@thedayitriedtodie I would question any, "Pilot" who claims that the planes of 9/11 could not perform the way they did. That makes no sense at all. The first plane flew straight and level, the second almost missed. but that was not an impossible manuever that he made. The pentagon plane was not impossible. Flight 93, what was so strange about that? You can see it fleww into the ground inverted. Look at the tail strike. I have seen jet aircraft crash, they burn hot and black.
your country is broke by design and more and more civil rights disappear under the shadowy cloak of "security". Are you one of the guys laughing about the germans, that Hitler could make it to power? Well here's a clue for you Einstein, Germany was broke at the time and Hitler gave great promises.
AHH WAIT. That sounds a bit familiar doesn't it?
Get real pal, it was people from skull and bones and other societies incorporated in the US who financed Hitler.
@barmtrail One of the two pilots interviewed was inside a freakin' flight simulator used to train professional pilots on 9/11 and could not hit the two towers and your comeback is "Well Geez I can see the buildings from Jersey as big as day so of course it's not hard to fly into them"....SERIOUSLY?!?!? I think it's you who is desperate to cling to the government conspiracy of what happened not the other way around. " I can see them from Jersey....LOL YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!
@Captjack... A light post is not made of steel...LOL A light post can be knocked over very easily by a 150,000 pound aircraft. What do you say to all the people who watched the aircraft fly into the building? And that very large very black smoke indicitive of aircraft fuel burning(yes i have seen jets crash) Fuselage fragments on the lawn after the crash. The video camera was not a high speed camera that captured the impact, so forget that argument. And guess what? it was not a missle Captjack.
A light post is not made of steel. guess what neither is a planes wings. one plane crashed from hitting ONE lightpole but apparently this plane was indestructable and was able to knock out 5!
haha if 9/11 wasn't an inside job, why took the fbi all the surveillance footage of surrounding gas stations close to the pentagon? wake up and face reality and stop lying to yourself.
@klauwn17 Well that was a novel try at trying to make a point. Are you serious?
Clown..Get away from the conspiracy junkies as fast as you can!..They have nothing. They live by the conspiracy, they die by the conspiracy. Get a life!!!!!
what a retard you are. "Get a life" this is what sheeples like you use, in order to discredit people who actually make use of their brain. You mean I should do my job and let others decide what happens in the world? Is that your point?
Get the fuck out you fucking slave. Drink your poisonous fluoridated water and watch television. This is NOT having a life, it is throwing your live away.
@klauwn17 It is clear that your life is boring and dull. and you try to say mine is to make you feel superior. Hitler was not financed by the U.S. you fool. Hitler made it to power because germany was broke and he created fear in his people that the jews were to blame. Nothing more nothing less. Hitler was a scared little man who trusted no one. Does this sound familiar? Look in the mirror. What do you see?
....Just read about project paperclip (historically documented) and see the truth.
The economic crisis was engineered by the FED in 29, and since Europe was broke due to WW1, they all got a lot of credits from the us. That's how the situation was. You have never asked yourself how Hitler could build a superpower while germany had no money at all, in less than 6 years?
The truth is not written in common history books. Every historian knows this.
@klauwn17 Hitler built a superpower? If money ran out of any country, The resources are still there Klauwn. Hitler simply took over the country and built it from the ground up. America or france or russia or britian did not create hitler. I know clearly that the powerful are in charge of alot, but hiltler was of his own creation. He had mental problems like most scared dictators. Nothing new.
@klauwn17 Hitler had connections with the vatican and the U.S. and british elite???LOL...And you say that i dont know what i am talking about? The economic principle back then is about to happen right now in the world. The german people did work for free for sometime until the hitler money was produced. There will be a time soon where paper money willl not exsist. Hitler had no connection to the U.S. or the british. I do not know where your info comes from but i would go to another library.
Yes he had just check the relations between the us and germany before ww2. they were good. And follow the us industrialists and how they helped hitler build his empire. This is documented fact. Another fact is, that the british monarchy is full of german blood - and untill 1918 germany had a monarch at the top (officially).
And btw people worked for free untill the money was printed? Dude if you're bankrupt and have nothing to back money up with, it's worthless.
You can't just print money.. Papermoney was developped out of documents, showing your ownership over gold and silver (which was physically on a bank)
Today there is about 10 times as much "money" as there is physically. How? Just digital, but dealt as real money. So you could generally say: Money nowadays only has worth, because people accept it. Everything that is not backed up by gold or silver or things of that nature is nothing but paper.
LOL....Captjack, How do you know the aircraft was traveling at 500 knots? Did you get a chance to read the flight recorder? How far away was the light post from the impact point? You are trying t o tell me that a commercial aircraft cannot travel that distance after hitting a light post? Holy christ in heaven!! Put down that 100th beer and go to bed. Or go watch Alex jones video's and hail him as all knowing and all being....
Mindblank, go to dallas and stand on the sidewalk when jfk was shot. and then you tell me how far away oswald was from the limo. You talk about shells on the floor and all other kind of b/s/ that you have NO idea what you are talking about. You just love to keep this conspiracy going. Your wrong, plain and simple.
He was shot twice but only two spent casings were found where oswald was supposedly shooting from. A third was found not discharged. Explain the three shots then xD
No mention of how you came to the conclusion of it being 100 yards, but anyway off subject of OP.
It is 2009 and this will just never end. A planes wing can break a light tower, very easily!
"FightforyourRights" Say's it very plainly. Conspiracy nuts will try and convince you everything is a conspiracy. It was not difficult what the terrorist did that morning. Our airport security was pathetic, American civilians hae no fight inthem anymore. Taking over the planes was simple!. We are a bunch of panty waist's. C'mon people, Wake up!! And yes, oswald shot kennedy. It was an easy shot. 100 yrd
Cept in a reconstruction shown on TV, one of the worlds best marksmen missed his first shot! and also he was 60ft UP a building, explain 100yards for the love of god haha
As usual its retards who cant fathom the truth that reply complete dribble and dont even listen to the people who DO KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO FLY and say something is not possible yet you say otherwise in your understanding of aviation, HAHA.
A lamp post, probably made of steel is struck and kocked down by a high speed object made of sheet aluminium over an aluminium frame, the aluminium structure is damaged by such an impact but you expect us to believe that no debris was created and ,despite multiple impacts of the same type, that the aircraft managed to carry on in perfect level flight and strike its intended target with a novice at the controls. A heavy airliner at sea level doing 500knots? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Please check the Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum Latest News Section at pilotsfor911truth(dot)org(slash)forum for an updated version of the scene that goes into more detail with animations and new interviews. You're looking for "Scene From 9/11: World Trade Center Attack - Control" at the thread title.
I get the impression when you walk around town or whatever you act like everyone thinks your hilarious but they are actually laughing at you not with you and you think everyone likes you.
Im no "pseudo-psychologist" but that is my opinion of you.
So you agree it can happen, because you cant deny the story i linked to you, but you CAN deny what I think because it is not written down in a case by authority.
Please, i dont understand who you are talking to, me? Or anyone else who will read?
Talk to me, dont talk to the viewers, were you never told to not act as if you are being watched all the time?
What "viewers"?! I AM talking (writing) to you. That guys is a KNOWN trouble maker. Maybe you don't know it. I'm well aware of his pathetic manipulation. Why are you assuming that I care about anyone else reading this. Please provide me with any line in my replies that suggests any such thing.
Common sense says a planes wing at 500+ mph would be ripped off if it came into contact with anything. Never mind a light standard.
I like how you say EVERYTIME blah blah.
The light standards were bent, as if pressure was slowly applied, not a sudden 500+mph impact and how did they bend over so much and THEN come out of the ground. Just because your pea brain doesn't understand dont take it out on everyone around you.
"Just because your pea brain doesn't understand dont take it out on everyone around you."
Wow, the irony. OK. Believe what you want based on your biased information gathering. No matter what I write, you will twist it around. You aren't worth my time. You obviously know so much more than I do. Bye
I AM a pilot, Not jets, I admit. But I DO know what I'm talking about. And 2 pilots out of thousands who just happen to be conspiracy nuts don't mean anything. Sorry, it's not as hard as they suggest to fly an airplane in a fucking straight line. Go ahead, buy into the paranoid bullshit. It's funny.
Yup, that's ALL it is... a "thought". I wish MORE of you conspiracy nuts would go on record as admitting what you believe are just "thoughts" based on information you have gathered as opposed to EVIDENCE you haven't EVER seen. It's so easy to form opinions based on what you read as long as it fits preconceived opinion. OR, are you suggesting that you, and the pilots for 9/11 truth have actually studied actual evidence? Dunno...don't care. Believe what you want, don't call it fact.
Why is up to me to "prove" the official story is true, but it isn't up to you to prove it isn't? I have seen NOTHING that suggests the truthers know whet they are talking about. Show me that ANYTHING going 500+MPH wouldn't take out 5 light poles, be damaged and keep flying! What is "damage"?! Dents? SOMETHING hit those poles at 500+ and kept going, was it a steel barn door?! Give me a break! YOU have speculation based on crap you read online, the official "story" is based on physical evidence.
Because as I have shown, a small tip of a plane can and did rip the wing off a jet liner. FACT.
Another FACT is a lot of eye witness reports tell the flight path of the jet to be contradictory to the official flight path. Including two Pentagon police officers! Who place the jet on the north side of the filling station that the official story places on the south where the downed poles were found.
This is my proof, where is yours? The Gov says so, well show us the videos, show us something!!
A small tip "CAN" damage the wing enough so the other plane can fall from the sky! Where do you get "rip the wing off"?! and what makes you think that would happen EVERY time?! Your logic is TERRIBLE! What you call "proof" is eyewitness accounts, yet I read other eyewitness accounts that it was a large plane that hit the Pentagon. And again, if not a plane that hit the poles...WHAT?! Did they get pushed over by "them" to make it "look like" something hit them?! My proof is the official report.
That tip could have severed the lines for the ailerons or some hydraulic systems badly enough that the plane did an immediate roll, which at that speed and in that plane would be unrecoverable. Yet YOU seem to think that it's "proof" that in one scenario that plane crashed when something contacted the wing, that means in EVERY scenario contact with the wing will result in a crash. FUCKING RUBBISH! That winglet could have sheared something at an angle the light pole wouldn't have!
Because unknown to you, I watched the Air Crash Investigation to this mid air collision. I know what happened, the wreckage was spread over miles because the plane broke up almost the second it was hit, evidenced from the flight recorder. Your assuming a LOT.
Again, eye witness accounts place the jet north of the filling station, two of the pentagon police officers. end of.
You watched the investigation?! WOW! That THAT is impressive. So, the investigation explained at just what angle the winglet hit the wing, and what happened when it did. It also explains what happens EVERY time an object impacts a wing. Now, did the wing fold up because a structural member was compromised? And if the light posts didn't impact a key structural member, couldn't the wing still fly? Was there debris near the light poles? You assume one crash has ANYTHING to do with another. Silly!
"Again, eye witness accounts place the jet north of the filling station, two of the pentagon police officers. end of."
Please provide verifiable proof of this. Not internet BS. An interview and proof they were even there. Give me a break! What you call "end of" is just plain silly! You ACCEPT This as proof simply because it fits your conspiracy prone mind. You reject the eyewitness accounts that say it was a plane. Too funny!
Again, something hit the poles...what was it? A "missile"? Must have been a pretty wide missile! Or, did the planners of this event go out there and knock down poles in broad daylight and tell everyone around to keep quiet about it? SOMETHING hit those poles. If not a plane...what?! And whatever it was had to supposedly be super strong because in YOUR mind, the laws of physics are nonsense. and a frail aluminum wing couldn't possibly damage a street light. Oh man, you are comical!
I reckon a Stihl Saw probably impacted the poles the night before, carried by men in black suits employed by nefarious bad people who want to run the world. Please debunk the Pilots for 911 truth. You can't so shut the Fark up!
How much would it cost to rent one of these level D simulators for a half an hour in order to make a video of the whole process of entering the simulator, flying the plane and attempting to impact a building at the correct speed? Is there any active pilot in your organization that could make such a video? It would add a lot of support to your claims to do so.
See my newest uploads - Oklahoma City bombing was THE PRECURSOR & test case for 911!
Engineers & other experts are on video - Oklahoma City bombing was several bombs inside the building; and just like the Israelis who weren't in the WTC on 911, the ATF employees were not in the Oklahoma Federal Building on the day of the explosion!
The "fact" that the voice of the pilot they call Mohamed Atta is distinctly Israeli leads me to believe that if anyone was flying the plane it was a highy trained Israel military pilot.
Israel had everything to gain from the dramatic destruction of American property, the death of American individuals and the actions that the ultra-Zionists running the Bush administration justified as a result of the attacks. Specifically the war on Islam.
Thanks guys for teaching us, non-pilots, the technical details that we otherwise couldn't bring up in discussions/debates with partisans of the official myth.
It's very well done, instructive, and you have all of my admiration.
I take it from this interview that a 757 can't be flown at high speed in a straight line ? How do planes go anywhere if they are so unstable that you can't fly them in the direction you want to fly them without going into some kind of 'dutch roll'? I see now the so-called 'impossible' maneuver of the 270 degree turn is not so difficult - but now they are saying it was a professional pilot doing it! Flying a plane by remote control is more difficult that flying it directly.
The plane that flew into the North tower flew fast and straight into the building. The second plane had a bit more trouble, but still managed to hit the building. I've heard so many professional pilots, retired military pilots etc. telling people the hijackers couldn't have done this or that - if you actually examine what they say and use your common sense you can see they are selling an agenda or have had an agenda sold to them and are not assessing evidence objectively.
I'm sorry but you sound like someone with a clear agenda.
Flying very low at such speed, even in a straight line is VERY difficult. That's what they say. And someone who CAN'T pilot a cessna adequately can't do this. Jumbo jets are not designed to fly low and fast because they are very heavy, and they can dismember themselves because of the immense pressure it puts on the fuselage. So to only maintain trajectory is quite a feat.
My common sense tells me no plane should've gone unintercepted
"Flying very low at such speed, even in a straight line is VERY difficult. That's what they say. And someone who CAN'T pilot a cessna adequately can't do this."
Absolute HORSE SHIT!
"Dismember themselves"?!? It's just so sad that some idiots educate themselves by accepting the drivel they read on the internet posted by OTHER idiots, as fact. Your "common sense" is flawed!
Somebody tell me please. We have so many experts and professional pilots saying that flying these planes in such a manner would be impossible. So who was flying the planes?? Somebody was. Do you think that the USAF asked it's top pilots to fly a suicide mission? Do you think that they were remote control?
Total thing is a hoax...what did they supposedly hijack the planes with? Box cutters? Yeah...no. There enough other weapons on an airplane...suitcases...fists...200 fighting humans v. four. Whole fucking thing is a hoax
You and a friend are going to have a fight to the death with determined people and you have a choice. You can sit strapped into seats with full harness seat belts and your opponents are going to suddenly come from behind you wielding knives. Or you can have the knives and they will be strapped in the seats.
Its not difficult to believe that an extremist with no regard for his own safety or the integrity of the airplane, that he plans on crashing anyway, is willing to exceed the limits of a given airframe (assuming he cared enough to know them).
Once again you offer a strawman argument. No one is claiming an "extremist" cannot exceed the limits of a given airframe. Please re-watch the video above, visit the video/links recommended below, and do some research. You didnt even know the airspeeds involved till you came here. You need to do a lot moe research to understand the claims made. Have you even watched the above video yet? It doesnt appear so. Again, you dont have to buy a DVD.
Dont be fooled by some innate need to feel like you are "in" on something that most people arent. Jets are MORE stable at higher speeds. Things change when you start getting into transonic airflow, but Dutch roll and any other sideslip or AOA issues in a particular airframe are dampened to the point of being a non issue in airliners. It wouldnt take a significant amount of training to take an airborne jet, point at a building, set full throttle, and hit it.
Hey Squid, let us know when you get some real time in a sweep wing heavy jet, then perhaps you can tell us what it means to fly 150 knots over Vmo. Until then, you may want to check the list of pilots who disagree with you. pilotsfor11truth*org(slash)core
Also, be sure to search Captain Russ Wittenberg on youtube for his statements regarding 757/767 handling. Unlike you, He actually has time in type of the aircraft reportedly used on 9/11.
lol, you are crazier than i thought if you think I am going to buy a DVD from those people.
I have plenty of time at high speeds and a clear understanding of the aerodynamic arguments that are being made. Granted, I do not have time in 757/767 specifically but I have had friends and instructors that do. Trust me, it doesnt take a GPS to hit the tallest buildings in NY.
What are you using to describe 150 kts over Vmo? IMN? KCAS?
Jets don't just disintegrate when they exceed manufacturer limits
You dont have to buy a DVD. Just search youtube as explained above.
No one said it takes a GPS "to hit a building". But it does take skill as pointed out by the Check Airman in the above video and by Capt Russ Wittenberg, 757/767 Capt for United.
150 knots over Vmo according to FDR data and Radar. Do your research. Also, there is a reason manufacturers place limits on aircraft. Control surface flutter, Center of Pressure movement vs. CG, Mcrit numbers... for starters.
I am not a squid btw, and if I were you wouldnt rate to call me one.
I get it, Capt Wittenberg is your champion for the cause. There are plenty of pilots that arent outraged with the findings, however. I suppose we are all myopic morons.
Vmo, Vne, etc. are manufacturer limits based on known safe operating envelopes not physical walls. It is possible to exceed them.Again, I am aware of the physics in play here. Though surprised by the A/S, I am not shocked into disbelief.
If you had taken the time to view the long list of pilots who disagree with you, you will see many more 757/767 Capts from both United and American who agree with Capt Wittenberg. They also have flown many Combat missions as well prior to being hired at a Major Airline. And no, you dont need to buy a DVD to view the long list of pilots who disagree with you.
Also, no one said there is a "physical wall" at Vmo. Please try not to use so many strawmans. It hurts your argument.
Also, if you cannot debate the facts civilly, i will not be approving your comments. Personal attacks are not needed. One would expect an Officer such as yourself to behave more professionally.
But the terrorists supposedly took control of the airborne jet and made several extreme maneuvers such as fly an inch over the pentagon lawn and not even touch a blade of grass along the way. And the aircrafts wings chopped light poles in half along the flight path, a light standard would shear the wings completely off and burst into flames. A global hawks wings can be cut off and it will still strike its target right on the money! They didnt simply just point the plane and fly!
"And the aircrafts wings chopped light poles in half along the flight path, a light standard would shear the wings completely off and burst into flames."
Sadly its not bullshit. You can find a clip of a jumbo jet flying low and striking a light standard with its wing and sure enough the wing is sheared completely off and the plane bursts into flames.
So you might want to do some research before pumping out your verbal dynamics!
Do you think a jets wings are made of granite, the wings are hollow and wrapped with aluminum.... and you think the wing would shear a light standard in half. You really are quite comical, arent you.
So, if it happens "in a clip" it's going to happen every time?!? THAT is what YOU call "research"?! PATHETIC! I don't think wings are made of granite, no. But, they ARE reinforced TREMENDOUSLY and aren't made of tinfoil! In fact, I have seen SEVERAL videos of wings going right through some pretty serious exterior walls. Granted, they did break, but only after they made HUGE holes! Maybe you could research that. Look up "9/11 impact world trade center" and see for yourself.
I love how you paranoid pseudo-engineers leave so many things out of the equation. Inertia, gravity, speed, stress, force and so on and so forth and just "ASSume" that since you "believe" something, it must be true. REGARDLESS of your OWN inability to accurately research and test the theories that so many HAVE tested and conclude to be fact. Go ahead..."believe" that you are an engineer and there is no way that a reinforced aluminum wing can take a light pole down. Dumbfuck.
I HAVE seen cars impact light poles sideways and take out light poles without more than a small dent to show for it. Push your finger into the side of your car and then TRY to push your finger into the leading edge of a wing and see which one gives away easier...I really DO hate people like you. Idiots who assume that they understand so much, but actually have such LITTLE real world experience with the bullshit they spew. You make me sick with both your ignorance and arrogance.
What YOU call "research" is nothing more than biased information gathering based on your preconceived notion of what the "truth" is. YOU reject anything that shows your belief to be "wrong" as bullshit and anything that supports your retarded and paranoid bullshit is always going to be fact. You don't research, you collect info to support your ideas...NOT The same thing! You make me sick! "Truthers" are the dumbest group on the planet. Well, after chemtards.
Also, the wings are NOT hollow...where do you people get this retarded stuff?! They have tanks, wiring, actuators, electronics, spars, rods, and so much more, yet you say they are "hollow" like it's only a thin skin shaped like a wing. You are ignorant, yet act like you are knowledgeable. Pathetic, actually. And trust me, theses wings are stronger than YOU "think" they are. This isn't a fucking Cessna! Talk about "comical"! You are the village idiot! "truthers" are HILARIOUS!
Google this, Colliding With Death at 37,000 Feet, and Living.
The small tips of the private jet's wings, sliced through the 737's wings like butter,
"Investigators are still trying to sort out what happened, and how — our smaller jet managed to stay aloft while a 737 that is longer, wider and more than three times as heavy, fell from the sky nose first"
Yeah, so that means EVERY TIME a 737 is impacted by another object, the wing fails. I get it. Thanks for the clarification. It also TOTALLY explains why the wing held up against aluminum poles that were hit with the leading edge. Gotcha. You must be an engineer!
So, the wing "should have" gotten weaker as it hit each pole?! I get it. And how are you so sure it "did nothing" to the wings? Did you see the wings?! Do yourself a favor, go to a REAL school and stop pretending that your youtube education has ANY value at all. Thanks
You pseudo-engineers are hilarious! Airplanes are built better than y9ou think they are. And just because one incident resulted in a crash, doesn't mean ALL incidents related to the wing will result in a crash..sorry.
I never said they got "weaker" I said they hit 5 times, but nothing happened to them, because if something did happen it would be apparent on the grass and road leading up to the impact. The evidence clearly shows NO such damage to the lead up.
You are asking if I am sure it did nothing to the wings, I am asking you, are you so sure it wouldn't have caused mayhem before the impact?
You, yourself, is claiming pseudo-engineering, because you yourself can't tell me with authority the facts.
"but nothing happened to them, because if something did happen it would be apparent on the grass and road leading up to the impact."
That is PURELY an assumption on YOUR part. The fact that you are not qualified to make that a statement of fact is evidenced by the value you put on your internet education. I make NO claims about what did/didn't happen to the wings. I'm simply pointing out that you form beliefs based on assumption. That is a POOR thinking process.
given that your assumptions of single minded self belief also sound very compelling, are you qualified to make an accurate indication of what happened, or are your "assumptions" taken from the same areas of intricate detail from which we all thrive? or are fox and cnn your "best friends" among the single minded people who walk this earth at the moment....
maybe you can clarify a bit more on what you expect would be the truth, rather than trying to bend other peoples more plausible beliefs...
jlewenthal, Nobody asked you shit! Stop waisting everyone's reading time while simultaneously exposing your lack of understanding of basic aerodynamics by trying to sound intelligent.
Just to reiterate: the difficulty was not flying the planes into the towers, but flying the planes into the towers at such high speeds! Planes flying as such speeds are usually at high altitudes where they don't have to hit a target the size of the towers. They just have to stay several miles from other planes.
Few people has been aware of the 9.11 was actually the home-made attack by U.S.think-tanks like Iraq-attack and the Cuban missile crisis 1962.
That incident was a plan for making a reason for open war between Afghanistan. But now, Most people believes its ringleader is Bin-ladin in the world.
Some suspected Hi-jackers are confirmed to live in their countries. U.S.think-tanks are proffessionals for making a plan. Major TV-network also are a member of U.S.military-group.
Corporation have become the reigning institutions of our time & 9/11, political corruption, media disinformation, hyper consumption, global environmental degradation and so on are the results. WE better find a cure quick!!
This pilot instructor says they are in Phoenix AZ The attacks started at 8:46 AM. They took a break and saw the attacks were happening, in Phoenix that would be 6:48 AM. What time did his class start 4:00 AM? does this sound logical to anyone?
They also tried to do it in a 737 this has a standard Yoke style wheel. The 767 is fly by wire with a stick.
niceguytim 1 month ago
@niceguytim
The 767 has a yoke style wheel also. There is no transport aircraft
of any type that flies with a stick. That is a single pilot crewed air
craft control. You can't share a stick with a co-pilot, LOL.
Search for 767 on youtube, and you can see several 767 pilots
flying their aircraft with a wheel.
Merlin5by5 1 month ago
@Merlin5by5 You are correct, they are Fly by wire with a yoke. Airbus has the side sticks.
niceguytim 1 month ago
Something is not right! no shit...
Allanlegacy43 5 months ago
Oppose the deceivers
pmcgraw13 10 months ago
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So be obedient and believe in WHAT THEY TELL YOU.
aviomaster 11 months ago
why has the menus been disabled on the forum unless you "register" why cant people research anonamously ? are they building a list? who is really behind the site? Pilots For 9/11 Truth
paulspydar 11 months ago
I'm a professional pilot. This mans view and other arguments against the aircraft being flown by novices are nonsense, I'm confident I could hit that building at high speed while drunk. The part about Dutch Roll he mentions is gibberish, not relevant at all at the reported speed and altitude we're discussing here. As are his arguments for aileron reversal and flutter and exceeding Vmo... the aircraft haven't been tested at these speeds before so that is pure speculation, I could go on
proc555 1 year ago
@proc555 You must fly ultra-lights then. You could probably go on spouting nonsense, but what's the point? Your not being paid enough to dis-inform 24/7 are you? We do know that airplanes were not designed to perform outside of their designed limits. You CANNOT fly an airliner at 400 knots at sea level. Grow up.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
Actually we know for a fact that their limits only say "the safe operation of the aircraft cannot be guaranteed beyond these limits". I don't think safety was much of a concern for the hijackers.
PSA 1771, Mach .9 in to a seaside hill, intact. A380, Mach .96, alive and well. EgyptAir 990, Mach .99 broke apart. FedEx 705 near transonic, extreme aerial maneuvers, intact. Pilot landed it alone without one ear and deep gashes on his head.
9/11? Max M .76, fit pilot no extreme maneuvers.
Weirdo10o4 10 months ago
@Weirdo10o4 I am a disabled vet, so I can go on all day pal. Nothing else left to do but defend the uninformed from those who have sold their soul to defend lies. You will have your reality turned upon its head soon enough. Soon enough, you will come out of your hole and see that there are two suns in the sky. What will you believe then? Time will tell, time will tell.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
I'll believe that someone poisoned my coffee.
Weirdo10o4 10 months ago
@Weirdo10o4 Whatever. Go back to playing world of warcraft. You bore me.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
Lol. Typical.
How about you discuss the facts. Apparently you have nothing to say to those above, so debunking well done, congratulations me.
Weirdo10o4 10 months ago
@Weirdo10o4 What exactly do you think you've won? When the truth comes out, there won't be a hole deep enough for you to hide in. You will be on the endangered species list. If I'm wrong, then come find me and give me the justice my kind would so richly deserve which would probably be a bullet in the head from your kind. I wonder if you would be willing to give your life for the truth? Would be willing to subject yourself to public punishment if your wrong? I would, how about you?
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
This is just about the facts.
I'll be persecuted for undeniable facts?
Sounds like a war fit for me.
Sorry, but handing out "justice" to misguided fools isn't my thing. Although I can't deny that you people should receive a hefty fine for derailing real activism and forgetting the real motive behind the 9/11 attacks. The only ones who should be persecuted are those who lie in order to profit. I.e. Richard Gage.
Weirdo10o4 10 months ago
@Weirdo10o4 Stop bothering me little boy. Better yet, why don't you go enlist in the service. They can always use tools. You are already brainwashed so they might cut out 2 or three weeks of your advanced individualized training. The military needs all the people they can get right now. If you really believe in your bullshit, back it up by manning up and signing up. Otherwise, go pound rocks you puke.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
"con·scrip·tion"
": compulsory enrollment of persons especially for military service : draft"
Weirdo10o4 10 months ago
@Weirdo10o4 You want the draft? I thought you loved your country? Are you a patriot? Does not matter where you are from. If you believe that terrorist attacked america and made NORAD look stupid then you should join and go and fight the terrorist. JOIN NOW. Your country needs you. What are you waiting for? The terrorist to come and get you? Get out there and kill them. Go son, go and fight for what you believe in.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
No, we have military service for every male.
But I'm a dual national. So what am I waiting for? Contrary to what you said I'm not a tool, and have a good shot at making pilot, FiAF or RAF.
Weirdo10o4 10 months ago
@Weirdo10o4 So stop talking to me and go and fight for what you believe in. You know that you will never change my mind so why bother talking to me. Are you lonley? Not getting any love lately? You been at this nonsense for quite a while. Get out there and start killing for what you believe in you fraud. You said you would be a pilot. Great. Dropping bombs on women and children is what you wouldn't object to as long as your commander told you that they were terrorist. You again bore me
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
You have already made it clear you have no problem murdering someone for being wrong, Saint Daddë.
These conflicts have practically passed already. The UK is out of Iraq and the soonest I might even apply is 2015[withdrawal date for Afghanistan 2014] because of the 3 year residency limit. There probably won't be this type of rather pointless crusades in the future.
While we're on the subject, why was Ahmad Shah Massoud assassinated in such perfect coordination with the 9/11 attacks?
Weirdo10o4 10 months ago
@Weirdo10o4 Why are you not out there killing for what you believe in then. I'm not interested in talking to you unless we can drink out of one of your trophy skulls. Go fight the terrorist hero. We need you to protect our international corporations rights. Stop wasting time on me, I don't have any fight left in me. You are young and able. Get out there son. Fight for what you believe in. Me I would never harm a fly. I dont believe in war for any reason.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
"I would never harm a fly"
"there won't be a hole deep enough for you to hide in. You will be on the endangered species list."
So to protect the international corporations rights = allowing 9/11/Cole/US embassy bombings/whatever terrorist attack? That's their right?
Yes, it's senseless to fight a War on Terror with conventional weapons and tactics such as a theater war. It should always have been an intel based war.
So you don't believe in stopping human rights violations?
Weirdo10o4 10 months ago
@Weirdo10o4 I promise you that I won't personally do anything to you. You have my word. And I would never send anyone to do anything. You will be mostly hiding from yourself. Yes, corporations made a fortune during the war. There is no such thing as a war on terror. The europeans who came here to america and killed their way to success were terrorist. Should we just forget the lessons of history? There is no way to be proud of what the colonist did here in america. Who are you anyway?
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
But you'd incite such things.
Yes, corporations do make money. It's their raw purpose.
Yes you do have a bloody history, but that does not define you today. I'm not for the war in Iraq, it's senseless and they wiped out their resistance movement by abandoning the uprising in 91. But the war in Afghanistan was justified, even if you drop out the 9/11 attacks when considering it.
The war on terror is a massive intel war and it would have worked just fine at pre 9/11 authority levels.
Weirdo10o4 10 months ago
@Weirdo10o4 There is no war on terror. What is terror? If you lived in Egypt, Jordan, Saudia Arabia, Iraq, Yemen, Lybia, Algeria during the past 40 or 50 years and had to deal with dictators who were propped up by americans who say they love freedom, just not yours, you might be a terrorist. George Bush was right. The terrorist hate our freedom. How can you support dictators out of one side of your mouth and say you love freedom out the other side of your mouth. History is important.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
@Daddyo930
Ah, the real motive. Yes, it should have been dealt with. But that would not have stopped people from trying to murder innocent Americans, they're not guilty by affiliation.
Weirdo10o4 10 months ago
@Weirdo10o4 that's because corporations that make weapons only make money when they sell them. You say that it should have been dealt with. We have had 50 years to deal with this problem. We assassinated the duly elected president of Iran because he wouldn't make a deal with the american oil companies. Then we put in a puppet dictator and were surprised that a revolution happened when they got tired of his nonsense. What history did you study? What do you know of the past?
Daddyo930 10 months ago
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Why doesnt Steven Jones say HOW he obtained the WTC dust samples and WHERE they were stored for the past 7.5 years?
ctcole77 7 months ago
Joe Lieberman is a piece of excrement from the low form of slug. lieing piece of snot.
7digitalSunday 1 year ago
@7digitalSunday I concur and agree.
Daddyo930 10 months ago
I'd like a pilot's view of how fast a 747 can bank its wings.
The supposed 2nd plane appears to go from nearly level to a 45-degree angle in a few hundred feet, just before hitting the tower. Are they really that nimble?
Wazabooz 1 year ago
@zenoist2 "The heavy titanium alloy engines disappeared on impact"
You keep posting this same clumsy lie, and when everyone points out all the photos of engine parts you run away like a little girl and post the same childish nonsense on another Youtube vid.
Are you just really bored, living in mommy's basement, dreaming of a real life someday?
ReemYoranus 1 year ago
Watch the "Hyperinflation" videos on YouTube from inflation.us Watch Keith Olbermann on Habeas Corpus from MSNBC and see your Bill of Rights thrown out the window. Watch HBO's Hacking Democracy and look into continuous vote fraud. Watch "National Security Alert" Watch "Richard Gage's Presentation/Manatoba University Watch Fall of the Republic" Watch "911 Press for Truth" Watch U.S. Spy Bill HR6304. Watch "Population Reduction by Dr Rima. ("The Tea Party Truther" - Facebook)
disheartedheart 1 year ago
The plane was indestructible till it crashed into the pentagon.
Then a very curious thing happened .
The heavy titanium alloy engines disappeared on impact as did the wings and tail section.
The hollow aluminum fuselage on the other hand had no problems punching straight through 3 layers of reinforced concrete.
This is the official story
What do you think?
zenoist2 1 year ago
I thought you guys had got banned from youtube?
Thats 911 pilots for truth. org
The truth will come out eventually anyway.
zenoist2 1 year ago
Dan Govatos #1!Go dad!!!
pizzaboy1250 1 year ago
I read there are compensating computer software that helps the pilot not overcompensate? Can this be a reason the amateur pilots made it?
Axbent 1 year ago
It's called sheeple.. People won't listen or think for themselves. My president said it happen, So it must have.. Hmm,,
Cry wolf enough and don't see it. peoples will stop looking for the wolf.
And they did are and will keep ignoring the wolf. While we keep loosing more sheople to this wolf.
And it lives right next door to you.
Snowman374th 2 years ago 4
That's right about the airports being closed immediately after the attacks. I was scheduled to fly that day and it was never the same again. Texas State Technical College/Baylor Pilot Training Tech 2000-2002.
Chuckjagermeister 2 years ago
@thedayitriedtodie...Your name implies emptiness. Search instead for happiness. What flight paths into PENTAGRAM?? What in the world are you talkin about? The JFK video does not show a frontal impact from a rifle shot, It clearly shows 3 shots from behind. Have you ever shot a rifle before? The driver told Mrs. kennedy he heard 3 shots! He even slowed the car down to look behind him. The 3rd shot was easy to make! The driver screwed up. They knew oswald worked in the BDB. They drove that way!!!
barmtrail 2 years ago
How could there have been 3 shots from behind, ONLY TWO SPENT SHELLS WERE FOUND AND A THIRD UNUSED!
I know nothing of course LOL
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
@barmtrail
the driver screwed up?
why isn't he in jail, stupido?
Pentagon=Pentagram
u should look at the blue print of ur capital city too, man, it's fool of satanic symbols.
Not surprising, since the USA are a masonic country, not to mention a Queen Elizabeth's II property....
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
@thedayitriedtodie Why would the driver be in jail? What are you talking about?
You are just another scared human that believes every conspiracy junkie who comes to dinner and tells all these great stories to instill fear in you.
Slow down and think a little.
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail i apologise for spamming. it wasn't intentional, this shit kept saying error. wtf!?
about the driver, u said he fuked up.... was he punished for that?
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
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@ohdip,there is no way to convince conspiracy theroist's that what happeed on 9/11 happened. So i will not try.
barmtrail 2 years ago
@barmtrail
u are spawning ur shill rethorics here.
JFK? what the fuck do u know? the man was shot from the front too, u can see that on video.
And about this, and considering these pilots could be fake, what do u have to say about their claims about being really hard to do what the highjackers did?not tomention structural issues?
and about the light poles, go see Loyd English's video, and what he has to say about that day.
do u even know there are 2 diverse flight paths on the pentagram?
thedayitriedtodie 2 years ago
@thedayitriedtodie Have you ever been to new jersey? You can see the WTC buildings for Miles and Miles away, Clearly. So why would you think it is hard to fly level flight into the buildings? They terrorists did not do any acrobatics, they just flew level, remember the second plane almost missed the building because he was flying beyond his skill level. 9/11 was not a conspiracy, just a bad day for all.
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail
i never talked about no acrobactics.
i just talked about the structural issues on the planes. The speeds they claim are BS.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
@thedayitriedtodie The speeds they claim are B.S.? what??
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? or are you just guessing. Speeds.
This is becoming comical now. The utubers are trying to convince people that 9/11 planes could not reach the speeds they did on that morning. WAKE UP!!!!
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail
it's not utubers, it's pilots, as u see in these videos from the pilots...
it's not me, saying it.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
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@barmtrail
it's not utubers, it's pilots, as u see in these videos from the pilots...
it's not me, saying it.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
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@barmtrail
it's not utubers, it's pilots, as u see in these videos from the pilots...
it's not me, saying it.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
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@barmtrail it's not utubers, it's pilots, as u see in these videos from the pilots...
it's not me saying it.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
@barmtrail it's not utubers, it's pilots, as u see in these videos from the pilots...
it's not me saying it.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
@barmtrail it's not utubers, it's pilots, as u see in these videos from the pilots...
it's not me saying it.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
@barmtrail it's not utubers, it's pilots, as u see in these videos from the pilots...
it's not me, saying it.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
@thedayitriedtodie I would question any, "Pilot" who claims that the planes of 9/11 could not perform the way they did. That makes no sense at all. The first plane flew straight and level, the second almost missed. but that was not an impossible manuever that he made. The pentagon plane was not impossible. Flight 93, what was so strange about that? You can see it fleww into the ground inverted. Look at the tail strike. I have seen jet aircraft crash, they burn hot and black.
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail it's not me nor utubers who make such claims is it?
we simply discuss it.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
@barmtrail
your country is broke by design and more and more civil rights disappear under the shadowy cloak of "security". Are you one of the guys laughing about the germans, that Hitler could make it to power? Well here's a clue for you Einstein, Germany was broke at the time and Hitler gave great promises.
AHH WAIT. That sounds a bit familiar doesn't it?
Get real pal, it was people from skull and bones and other societies incorporated in the US who financed Hitler.
klauwn17 1 year ago
@barmtrail One of the two pilots interviewed was inside a freakin' flight simulator used to train professional pilots on 9/11 and could not hit the two towers and your comeback is "Well Geez I can see the buildings from Jersey as big as day so of course it's not hard to fly into them"....SERIOUSLY?!?!? I think it's you who is desperate to cling to the government conspiracy of what happened not the other way around. " I can see them from Jersey....LOL YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!
marcriv80 5 months ago
@Captjack... A light post is not made of steel...LOL A light post can be knocked over very easily by a 150,000 pound aircraft. What do you say to all the people who watched the aircraft fly into the building? And that very large very black smoke indicitive of aircraft fuel burning(yes i have seen jets crash) Fuselage fragments on the lawn after the crash. The video camera was not a high speed camera that captured the impact, so forget that argument. And guess what? it was not a missle Captjack.
barmtrail 2 years ago
A light post is not made of steel. guess what neither is a planes wings. one plane crashed from hitting ONE lightpole but apparently this plane was indestructable and was able to knock out 5!
ohdipiitzpat 2 years ago 6
@ohdipiitzpat it did crasch! like a second later!
USAneedsaChange 1 year ago
@ohdipiitzpat Why do you think it was indestructable? It crashed - remember?
Tinfoilnation 7 months ago
@barmtrail
haha if 9/11 wasn't an inside job, why took the fbi all the surveillance footage of surrounding gas stations close to the pentagon? wake up and face reality and stop lying to yourself.
klauwn17 1 year ago
@klauwn17 Well that was a novel try at trying to make a point. Are you serious?
Clown..Get away from the conspiracy junkies as fast as you can!..They have nothing. They live by the conspiracy, they die by the conspiracy. Get a life!!!!!
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail
what a retard you are. "Get a life" this is what sheeples like you use, in order to discredit people who actually make use of their brain. You mean I should do my job and let others decide what happens in the world? Is that your point?
Get the fuck out you fucking slave. Drink your poisonous fluoridated water and watch television. This is NOT having a life, it is throwing your live away.
klauwn17 1 year ago
@klauwn17 It is clear that your life is boring and dull. and you try to say mine is to make you feel superior. Hitler was not financed by the U.S. you fool. Hitler made it to power because germany was broke and he created fear in his people that the jews were to blame. Nothing more nothing less. Hitler was a scared little man who trusted no one. Does this sound familiar? Look in the mirror. What do you see?
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail
....Just read about project paperclip (historically documented) and see the truth.
The economic crisis was engineered by the FED in 29, and since Europe was broke due to WW1, they all got a lot of credits from the us. That's how the situation was. You have never asked yourself how Hitler could build a superpower while germany had no money at all, in less than 6 years?
The truth is not written in common history books. Every historian knows this.
The powerful write it their way.
klauwn17 1 year ago
@klauwn17 Hitler built a superpower? If money ran out of any country, The resources are still there Klauwn. Hitler simply took over the country and built it from the ground up. America or france or russia or britian did not create hitler. I know clearly that the powerful are in charge of alot, but hiltler was of his own creation. He had mental problems like most scared dictators. Nothing new.
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail
Yes he did. In case you don't know, Hitler rushed all over Europe and Russia for the first 3 Years.
You obviously have absolutely no idea how economics work.
"The things are there" yeah you think the people worked for free? You better think again.
And Hitler had connections to the vatican and to the us/british elite, which btw sympathized with the nazis before the war.
And it was the same bunch of people which helped Nazi scientists and spyies to flee to the US.
klauwn17 1 year ago
@klauwn17 Hitler had connections with the vatican and the U.S. and british elite???LOL...And you say that i dont know what i am talking about? The economic principle back then is about to happen right now in the world. The german people did work for free for sometime until the hitler money was produced. There will be a time soon where paper money willl not exsist. Hitler had no connection to the U.S. or the british. I do not know where your info comes from but i would go to another library.
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail
Yes he had just check the relations between the us and germany before ww2. they were good. And follow the us industrialists and how they helped hitler build his empire. This is documented fact. Another fact is, that the british monarchy is full of german blood - and untill 1918 germany had a monarch at the top (officially).
And btw people worked for free untill the money was printed? Dude if you're bankrupt and have nothing to back money up with, it's worthless.
klauwn17 1 year ago
@barmtrail
You can't just print money.. Papermoney was developped out of documents, showing your ownership over gold and silver (which was physically on a bank)
Today there is about 10 times as much "money" as there is physically. How? Just digital, but dealt as real money. So you could generally say: Money nowadays only has worth, because people accept it. Everything that is not backed up by gold or silver or things of that nature is nothing but paper.
klauwn17 1 year ago
LOL....Captjack, How do you know the aircraft was traveling at 500 knots? Did you get a chance to read the flight recorder? How far away was the light post from the impact point? You are trying t o tell me that a commercial aircraft cannot travel that distance after hitting a light post? Holy christ in heaven!! Put down that 100th beer and go to bed. Or go watch Alex jones video's and hail him as all knowing and all being....
barmtrail 2 years ago
Mindblank, go to dallas and stand on the sidewalk when jfk was shot. and then you tell me how far away oswald was from the limo. You talk about shells on the floor and all other kind of b/s/ that you have NO idea what you are talking about. You just love to keep this conspiracy going. Your wrong, plain and simple.
barmtrail 2 years ago
You want me to time travel, sweet, give me a shot of your time machine!
What do you know that I dont? please.....
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
Where DO you get your information haha
He was shot twice but only two spent casings were found where oswald was supposedly shooting from. A third was found not discharged. Explain the three shots then xD
No mention of how you came to the conclusion of it being 100 yards, but anyway off subject of OP.
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
Mindblank...Oswald missed his first shot as well. The car was moving. The fatal shot was fired at a car that was almost still. 911 truther's????
Complete B/S. Just like Alex Jones.
barmtrail 2 years ago
BS AT disINFOWARS...
he and bermas cover up the FACT that
NO PLANES crashed ANYWHERE in the 9/11 PSYOP...
watch
911 amateur pt 2
september clues
wsee 2 years ago
It is 2009 and this will just never end. A planes wing can break a light tower, very easily!
"FightforyourRights" Say's it very plainly. Conspiracy nuts will try and convince you everything is a conspiracy. It was not difficult what the terrorist did that morning. Our airport security was pathetic, American civilians hae no fight inthem anymore. Taking over the planes was simple!. We are a bunch of panty waist's. C'mon people, Wake up!! And yes, oswald shot kennedy. It was an easy shot. 100 yrd
barmtrail 2 years ago
Cept in a reconstruction shown on TV, one of the worlds best marksmen missed his first shot! and also he was 60ft UP a building, explain 100yards for the love of god haha
As usual its retards who cant fathom the truth that reply complete dribble and dont even listen to the people who DO KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO FLY and say something is not possible yet you say otherwise in your understanding of aviation, HAHA.
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
A lamp post, probably made of steel is struck and kocked down by a high speed object made of sheet aluminium over an aluminium frame, the aluminium structure is damaged by such an impact but you expect us to believe that no debris was created and ,despite multiple impacts of the same type, that the aircraft managed to carry on in perfect level flight and strike its intended target with a novice at the controls. A heavy airliner at sea level doing 500knots? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
CptJackAubreyRN 2 years ago
Now he posts on my channel saying I deleted his post, how lame.
He posted nothing apart fro what you see now.
You have shown your true colours now, please for the sake of sanity tell me what you posted that I deleted.
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
Please check the Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum Latest News Section at pilotsfor911truth(dot)org(slash)forum for an updated version of the scene that goes into more detail with animations and new interviews. You're looking for "Scene From 9/11: World Trade Center Attack - Control" at the thread title.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago 4
I get the impression when you walk around town or whatever you act like everyone thinks your hilarious but they are actually laughing at you not with you and you think everyone likes you.
Im no "pseudo-psychologist" but that is my opinion of you.
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
So you agree it can happen, because you cant deny the story i linked to you, but you CAN deny what I think because it is not written down in a case by authority.
Please, i dont understand who you are talking to, me? Or anyone else who will read?
Talk to me, dont talk to the viewers, were you never told to not act as if you are being watched all the time?
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
What "viewers"?! I AM talking (writing) to you. That guys is a KNOWN trouble maker. Maybe you don't know it. I'm well aware of his pathetic manipulation. Why are you assuming that I care about anyone else reading this. Please provide me with any line in my replies that suggests any such thing.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
Everyone just plays down some of the experts opinions but on the same account believes the same experts who say otherwise.
It is down to you to decide and make your own conclusion. I wonder the out come if all this ever came down to a public jury.
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago 2
Common sense says a planes wing at 500+ mph would be ripped off if it came into contact with anything. Never mind a light standard.
I like how you say EVERYTIME blah blah.
The light standards were bent, as if pressure was slowly applied, not a sudden 500+mph impact and how did they bend over so much and THEN come out of the ground. Just because your pea brain doesn't understand dont take it out on everyone around you.
I bet you cry when you dont get your own way too.
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
"Just because your pea brain doesn't understand dont take it out on everyone around you."
Wow, the irony. OK. Believe what you want based on your biased information gathering. No matter what I write, you will twist it around. You aren't worth my time. You obviously know so much more than I do. Bye
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
You OBVIOUSLY know more than pilots with 30k hours flight time!
Go away, thanks!
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
I AM a pilot, Not jets, I admit. But I DO know what I'm talking about. And 2 pilots out of thousands who just happen to be conspiracy nuts don't mean anything. Sorry, it's not as hard as they suggest to fly an airplane in a fucking straight line. Go ahead, buy into the paranoid bullshit. It's funny.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
I wonder how many people would be brave enough to stand up and risk being struck off the books for speaking out, just a thought.
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
Yup, that's ALL it is... a "thought". I wish MORE of you conspiracy nuts would go on record as admitting what you believe are just "thoughts" based on information you have gathered as opposed to EVIDENCE you haven't EVER seen. It's so easy to form opinions based on what you read as long as it fits preconceived opinion. OR, are you suggesting that you, and the pilots for 9/11 truth have actually studied actual evidence? Dunno...don't care. Believe what you want, don't call it fact.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
Nobody is calling it fact, but if its true, prove it isn't, all you have done is said the official story is true, back it up.
Show us the proof wings wouldn't be damaged by hittinf five light standards at 500+MPH.
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
Why is up to me to "prove" the official story is true, but it isn't up to you to prove it isn't? I have seen NOTHING that suggests the truthers know whet they are talking about. Show me that ANYTHING going 500+MPH wouldn't take out 5 light poles, be damaged and keep flying! What is "damage"?! Dents? SOMETHING hit those poles at 500+ and kept going, was it a steel barn door?! Give me a break! YOU have speculation based on crap you read online, the official "story" is based on physical evidence.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
Because as I have shown, a small tip of a plane can and did rip the wing off a jet liner. FACT.
Another FACT is a lot of eye witness reports tell the flight path of the jet to be contradictory to the official flight path. Including two Pentagon police officers! Who place the jet on the north side of the filling station that the official story places on the south where the downed poles were found.
This is my proof, where is yours? The Gov says so, well show us the videos, show us something!!
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
A small tip "CAN" damage the wing enough so the other plane can fall from the sky! Where do you get "rip the wing off"?! and what makes you think that would happen EVERY time?! Your logic is TERRIBLE! What you call "proof" is eyewitness accounts, yet I read other eyewitness accounts that it was a large plane that hit the Pentagon. And again, if not a plane that hit the poles...WHAT?! Did they get pushed over by "them" to make it "look like" something hit them?! My proof is the official report.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
That tip could have severed the lines for the ailerons or some hydraulic systems badly enough that the plane did an immediate roll, which at that speed and in that plane would be unrecoverable. Yet YOU seem to think that it's "proof" that in one scenario that plane crashed when something contacted the wing, that means in EVERY scenario contact with the wing will result in a crash. FUCKING RUBBISH! That winglet could have sheared something at an angle the light pole wouldn't have!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
Because unknown to you, I watched the Air Crash Investigation to this mid air collision. I know what happened, the wreckage was spread over miles because the plane broke up almost the second it was hit, evidenced from the flight recorder. Your assuming a LOT.
Again, eye witness accounts place the jet north of the filling station, two of the pentagon police officers. end of.
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
You watched the investigation?! WOW! That THAT is impressive. So, the investigation explained at just what angle the winglet hit the wing, and what happened when it did. It also explains what happens EVERY time an object impacts a wing. Now, did the wing fold up because a structural member was compromised? And if the light posts didn't impact a key structural member, couldn't the wing still fly? Was there debris near the light poles? You assume one crash has ANYTHING to do with another. Silly!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
"Again, eye witness accounts place the jet north of the filling station, two of the pentagon police officers. end of."
Please provide verifiable proof of this. Not internet BS. An interview and proof they were even there. Give me a break! What you call "end of" is just plain silly! You ACCEPT This as proof simply because it fits your conspiracy prone mind. You reject the eyewitness accounts that say it was a plane. Too funny!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
You haven't seen the video'd accounts from the officers at the filling station where they point the direction of the plane from the north?
Are you serious? hahahaha
Go back to sleep, thanks.
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
Again, something hit the poles...what was it? A "missile"? Must have been a pretty wide missile! Or, did the planners of this event go out there and knock down poles in broad daylight and tell everyone around to keep quiet about it? SOMETHING hit those poles. If not a plane...what?! And whatever it was had to supposedly be super strong because in YOUR mind, the laws of physics are nonsense. and a frail aluminum wing couldn't possibly damage a street light. Oh man, you are comical!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
It could clearly damage a street light and visa vera, stop playing with words and making up senarios of comments to suit your argument.
As a plane would damage a street light, a street light would damage a wing @ 500mph.
Please also stop swearing, there is no way you were/are a pilot using such a small vocabulary.
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
I reckon a Stihl Saw probably impacted the poles the night before, carried by men in black suits employed by nefarious bad people who want to run the world. Please debunk the Pilots for 911 truth. You can't so shut the Fark up!
CptJackAubreyRN 2 years ago
"Your assuming a LOT."
Fucking hypocrite!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
If the buildings are in the line of sight, they can be hit! Give me a break! This is such bullshit!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
5 stars! i put this on my conspiracy forum :)
2012gregg 2 years ago
How much would it cost to rent one of these level D simulators for a half an hour in order to make a video of the whole process of entering the simulator, flying the plane and attempting to impact a building at the correct speed? Is there any active pilot in your organization that could make such a video? It would add a lot of support to your claims to do so.
pocoapoco2 2 years ago
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sugarpuddin88 2 years ago
The "fact" that the voice of the pilot they call Mohamed Atta is distinctly Israeli leads me to believe that if anyone was flying the plane it was a highy trained Israel military pilot.
Israel had everything to gain from the dramatic destruction of American property, the death of American individuals and the actions that the ultra-Zionists running the Bush administration justified as a result of the attacks. Specifically the war on Islam.
Israeli false-flag written in big letters.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
music please lol loves the classic rock.... who signs the song in the begenning?
killuminati63 2 years ago
Thanks guys for teaching us, non-pilots, the technical details that we otherwise couldn't bring up in discussions/debates with partisans of the official myth.
It's very well done, instructive, and you have all of my admiration.
I wish the Truth will come out.
poprip 2 years ago
I take it from this interview that a 757 can't be flown at high speed in a straight line ? How do planes go anywhere if they are so unstable that you can't fly them in the direction you want to fly them without going into some kind of 'dutch roll'? I see now the so-called 'impossible' maneuver of the 270 degree turn is not so difficult - but now they are saying it was a professional pilot doing it! Flying a plane by remote control is more difficult that flying it directly.
pentagon28 2 years ago
Huh, first, the idea you have to understand is the ratio altitude/speed. The lower you are, the harder it is to maintain control at high speed.
Secondly, it is not so clear what exactly was the trajectory of the plane nor if it did hit the pentagone or just fly over.
If the government would just release the darn videos that would put an end to the endless theories and debates.
They HAVE videos that show the whole sequence, not just stills like they've released.
poprip 2 years ago
The plane that flew into the North tower flew fast and straight into the building. The second plane had a bit more trouble, but still managed to hit the building. I've heard so many professional pilots, retired military pilots etc. telling people the hijackers couldn't have done this or that - if you actually examine what they say and use your common sense you can see they are selling an agenda or have had an agenda sold to them and are not assessing evidence objectively.
pentagon28 2 years ago
I'm sorry but you sound like someone with a clear agenda.
Flying very low at such speed, even in a straight line is VERY difficult. That's what they say. And someone who CAN'T pilot a cessna adequately can't do this. Jumbo jets are not designed to fly low and fast because they are very heavy, and they can dismember themselves because of the immense pressure it puts on the fuselage. So to only maintain trajectory is quite a feat.
My common sense tells me no plane should've gone unintercepted
poprip 2 years ago
"Flying very low at such speed, even in a straight line is VERY difficult. That's what they say. And someone who CAN'T pilot a cessna adequately can't do this."
Absolute HORSE SHIT!
"Dismember themselves"?!? It's just so sad that some idiots educate themselves by accepting the drivel they read on the internet posted by OTHER idiots, as fact. Your "common sense" is flawed!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
Excellent points. To say it "can't be done" is RIDICULOUS! The absurdity of that statement is overwhelming.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
"To say it "can't be done" is RIDICULOUS! The absurdity of that statement is overwhelming."
Yet this is exactly what you are saying...
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
Somebody tell me please. We have so many experts and professional pilots saying that flying these planes in such a manner would be impossible. So who was flying the planes?? Somebody was. Do you think that the USAF asked it's top pilots to fly a suicide mission? Do you think that they were remote control?
PorkyPiggles 2 years ago
Total thing is a hoax...what did they supposedly hijack the planes with? Box cutters? Yeah...no. There enough other weapons on an airplane...suitcases...fists...200 fighting humans v. four. Whole fucking thing is a hoax
Susieshepherd 2 years ago
You and a friend are going to have a fight to the death with determined people and you have a choice. You can sit strapped into seats with full harness seat belts and your opponents are going to suddenly come from behind you wielding knives. Or you can have the knives and they will be strapped in the seats.
pentagon28 2 years ago
Total thing is a hoax...what did they supposedly hijack the planes with? Box cutters? Yeah...no.
Susieshepherd 2 years ago
Its not difficult to believe that an extremist with no regard for his own safety or the integrity of the airplane, that he plans on crashing anyway, is willing to exceed the limits of a given airframe (assuming he cared enough to know them).
jlewenthal 2 years ago
Once again you offer a strawman argument. No one is claiming an "extremist" cannot exceed the limits of a given airframe. Please re-watch the video above, visit the video/links recommended below, and do some research. You didnt even know the airspeeds involved till you came here. You need to do a lot moe research to understand the claims made. Have you even watched the above video yet? It doesnt appear so. Again, you dont have to buy a DVD.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
Dont be fooled by some innate need to feel like you are "in" on something that most people arent. Jets are MORE stable at higher speeds. Things change when you start getting into transonic airflow, but Dutch roll and any other sideslip or AOA issues in a particular airframe are dampened to the point of being a non issue in airliners. It wouldnt take a significant amount of training to take an airborne jet, point at a building, set full throttle, and hit it.
jlewenthal 2 years ago
Hey Squid, let us know when you get some real time in a sweep wing heavy jet, then perhaps you can tell us what it means to fly 150 knots over Vmo. Until then, you may want to check the list of pilots who disagree with you. pilotsfor11truth*org(slash)core
Also, be sure to search Captain Russ Wittenberg on youtube for his statements regarding 757/767 handling. Unlike you, He actually has time in type of the aircraft reportedly used on 9/11.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
lol, you are crazier than i thought if you think I am going to buy a DVD from those people.
I have plenty of time at high speeds and a clear understanding of the aerodynamic arguments that are being made. Granted, I do not have time in 757/767 specifically but I have had friends and instructors that do. Trust me, it doesnt take a GPS to hit the tallest buildings in NY.
What are you using to describe 150 kts over Vmo? IMN? KCAS?
Jets don't just disintegrate when they exceed manufacturer limits
jlewenthal 2 years ago
You dont have to buy a DVD. Just search youtube as explained above.
No one said it takes a GPS "to hit a building". But it does take skill as pointed out by the Check Airman in the above video and by Capt Russ Wittenberg, 757/767 Capt for United.
150 knots over Vmo according to FDR data and Radar. Do your research. Also, there is a reason manufacturers place limits on aircraft. Control surface flutter, Center of Pressure movement vs. CG, Mcrit numbers... for starters.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
I am not a squid btw, and if I were you wouldnt rate to call me one.
I get it, Capt Wittenberg is your champion for the cause. There are plenty of pilots that arent outraged with the findings, however. I suppose we are all myopic morons.
Vmo, Vne, etc. are manufacturer limits based on known safe operating envelopes not physical walls. It is possible to exceed them.Again, I am aware of the physics in play here. Though surprised by the A/S, I am not shocked into disbelief.
jlewenthal 2 years ago 2
If you had taken the time to view the long list of pilots who disagree with you, you will see many more 757/767 Capts from both United and American who agree with Capt Wittenberg. They also have flown many Combat missions as well prior to being hired at a Major Airline. And no, you dont need to buy a DVD to view the long list of pilots who disagree with you.
Also, no one said there is a "physical wall" at Vmo. Please try not to use so many strawmans. It hurts your argument.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
Also, if you cannot debate the facts civilly, i will not be approving your comments. Personal attacks are not needed. One would expect an Officer such as yourself to behave more professionally.
johndoeXLC 2 years ago
jlewenthal
But the terrorists supposedly took control of the airborne jet and made several extreme maneuvers such as fly an inch over the pentagon lawn and not even touch a blade of grass along the way. And the aircrafts wings chopped light poles in half along the flight path, a light standard would shear the wings completely off and burst into flames. A global hawks wings can be cut off and it will still strike its target right on the money! They didnt simply just point the plane and fly!
F4O4U4R4S 2 years ago
"And the aircrafts wings chopped light poles in half along the flight path, a light standard would shear the wings completely off and burst into flames."
Bullshit!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
Sadly its not bullshit. You can find a clip of a jumbo jet flying low and striking a light standard with its wing and sure enough the wing is sheared completely off and the plane bursts into flames.
So you might want to do some research before pumping out your verbal dynamics!
Do you think a jets wings are made of granite, the wings are hollow and wrapped with aluminum.... and you think the wing would shear a light standard in half. You really are quite comical, arent you.
F4O4U4R4S 2 years ago
So, if it happens "in a clip" it's going to happen every time?!? THAT is what YOU call "research"?! PATHETIC! I don't think wings are made of granite, no. But, they ARE reinforced TREMENDOUSLY and aren't made of tinfoil! In fact, I have seen SEVERAL videos of wings going right through some pretty serious exterior walls. Granted, they did break, but only after they made HUGE holes! Maybe you could research that. Look up "9/11 impact world trade center" and see for yourself.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
I love how you paranoid pseudo-engineers leave so many things out of the equation. Inertia, gravity, speed, stress, force and so on and so forth and just "ASSume" that since you "believe" something, it must be true. REGARDLESS of your OWN inability to accurately research and test the theories that so many HAVE tested and conclude to be fact. Go ahead..."believe" that you are an engineer and there is no way that a reinforced aluminum wing can take a light pole down. Dumbfuck.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
I HAVE seen cars impact light poles sideways and take out light poles without more than a small dent to show for it. Push your finger into the side of your car and then TRY to push your finger into the leading edge of a wing and see which one gives away easier...I really DO hate people like you. Idiots who assume that they understand so much, but actually have such LITTLE real world experience with the bullshit they spew. You make me sick with both your ignorance and arrogance.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
What YOU call "research" is nothing more than biased information gathering based on your preconceived notion of what the "truth" is. YOU reject anything that shows your belief to be "wrong" as bullshit and anything that supports your retarded and paranoid bullshit is always going to be fact. You don't research, you collect info to support your ideas...NOT The same thing! You make me sick! "Truthers" are the dumbest group on the planet. Well, after chemtards.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
Also, the wings are NOT hollow...where do you people get this retarded stuff?! They have tanks, wiring, actuators, electronics, spars, rods, and so much more, yet you say they are "hollow" like it's only a thin skin shaped like a wing. You are ignorant, yet act like you are knowledgeable. Pathetic, actually. And trust me, theses wings are stronger than YOU "think" they are. This isn't a fucking Cessna! Talk about "comical"! You are the village idiot! "truthers" are HILARIOUS!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
"the wings are NOT hollow..."
It means they're not solid, dipshit.
I know nothing about planes other than how to be a passenger on one and even I knew what he meant.
Mechelle68 2 years ago
Google this, Colliding With Death at 37,000 Feet, and Living.
The small tips of the private jet's wings, sliced through the 737's wings like butter,
"Investigators are still trying to sort out what happened, and how — our smaller jet managed to stay aloft while a 737 that is longer, wider and more than three times as heavy, fell from the sky nose first"
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
Yeah, so that means EVERY TIME a 737 is impacted by another object, the wing fails. I get it. Thanks for the clarification. It also TOTALLY explains why the wing held up against aluminum poles that were hit with the leading edge. Gotcha. You must be an engineer!
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
It wasn't just one pole, it was 5.
So it happened 5 times, twice to the right wing and 3 times to the left wing and it did nothing to the wings?
Please, who is the dillusional one?
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago 2
So, the wing "should have" gotten weaker as it hit each pole?! I get it. And how are you so sure it "did nothing" to the wings? Did you see the wings?! Do yourself a favor, go to a REAL school and stop pretending that your youtube education has ANY value at all. Thanks
You pseudo-engineers are hilarious! Airplanes are built better than y9ou think they are. And just because one incident resulted in a crash, doesn't mean ALL incidents related to the wing will result in a crash..sorry.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
I never said they got "weaker" I said they hit 5 times, but nothing happened to them, because if something did happen it would be apparent on the grass and road leading up to the impact. The evidence clearly shows NO such damage to the lead up.
You are asking if I am sure it did nothing to the wings, I am asking you, are you so sure it wouldn't have caused mayhem before the impact?
You, yourself, is claiming pseudo-engineering, because you yourself can't tell me with authority the facts.
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
"but nothing happened to them, because if something did happen it would be apparent on the grass and road leading up to the impact."
That is PURELY an assumption on YOUR part. The fact that you are not qualified to make that a statement of fact is evidenced by the value you put on your internet education. I make NO claims about what did/didn't happen to the wings. I'm simply pointing out that you form beliefs based on assumption. That is a POOR thinking process.
FightForYourRights01 2 years ago
Im not assuming anything, I have PROVEN wings do get damaged, you have not proved in any way that they wouldn't!!!
hahahaha
MinDBlanK1 2 years ago
given that your assumptions of single minded self belief also sound very compelling, are you qualified to make an accurate indication of what happened, or are your "assumptions" taken from the same areas of intricate detail from which we all thrive? or are fox and cnn your "best friends" among the single minded people who walk this earth at the moment....
maybe you can clarify a bit more on what you expect would be the truth, rather than trying to bend other peoples more plausible beliefs...
jamie19eighty 2 years ago
bad cessna pilots cant fly airliners - period - get real
mooners40 2 years ago
jlewenthal, Nobody asked you shit! Stop waisting everyone's reading time while simultaneously exposing your lack of understanding of basic aerodynamics by trying to sound intelligent.
imnazhole 2 years ago
it's kinda funny to hear my dad on a youtube video ^_^ Dan Govatos!
pizzaboy1250 2 years ago
Just to reiterate: the difficulty was not flying the planes into the towers, but flying the planes into the towers at such high speeds! Planes flying as such speeds are usually at high altitudes where they don't have to hit a target the size of the towers. They just have to stay several miles from other planes.
Skeptic121 3 years ago
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Few people has been aware of the 9.11 was actually the home-made attack by U.S.think-tanks like Iraq-attack and the Cuban missile crisis 1962.
That incident was a plan for making a reason for open war between Afghanistan. But now, Most people believes its ringleader is Bin-ladin in the world.
Some suspected Hi-jackers are confirmed to live in their countries. U.S.think-tanks are proffessionals for making a plan. Major TV-network also are a member of U.S.military-group.
okinawaislands 3 years ago
Why the long intro?
A minute and a half of my life wasted!
fanbutton 3 years ago 3
We're in a lot of trouble.
Corporation have become the reigning institutions of our time & 9/11, political corruption, media disinformation, hyper consumption, global environmental degradation and so on are the results. WE better find a cure quick!!
sustainf 3 years ago 2