Grassley Explains His Authority to Investigate Pulpit Pimps

[carlabellis]

Which is why I asked the question!

[carlabellis]

WHAT ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCHES!!!

[mysty0]

@carlabellis Incase you aint worked it out yet.., the worlds governments answer to the Vatican!!

[TJae1]

Good stuff ~ kcm is taking over ~ press is bettr than hype ~ good grief

[melbatelba]

The widow gave the last she had, SHE TRUSTED GOD, the families that Paul spoke of in CORINTHIANS, THEY GAVE THEIR LAST, THEY had REAL FAITH in GODs POWER. YOUR TRADITIONS MAKE GODS WORDS TO NO EFFECT AND HE ALREDY SAID HIS WORD WILL NOT GO OUT VOID! WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE HIM, YET YOU MAKE EXCUSES. I AM SICK OF LAZY SUCKY FOLKS WHO PERVERT THE WORD!! YOU PEOPLE WISH YOU ACTUALLY KNEW WHAT SACRIFICE IS.

[melbatelba]

With ALL of mans technology and books enough to circle the universe, you sit and make excuses why you cannot truly study the words of God when it is so easy. Do HIS COMMANDMENTS.

[melbatelba]

What I love about most of the so-called Christians is that God is in YOUR IMAGE and not the other way aroound. Good old fashioned liberal secular humanism. Folks always want to tell God how He should love. That is why the USA is OVER TODAY because of the lies and lack of actually knowing who God is. DO HIS COMMANDMENTS.

[xtwoxasxonex]

who says a pastor or an evangelists can't make over a certain amount?!? are you a socialist?! geez! i suggest you shut down or confront these people face-to-face. i do believe you're a socialist!

[MoMRX101]

Grassley has done nothing. What investigation? this is a bunch of MESS!

[revivalgirl]

What is the senator after some of the questions that they are requesting is who is giving what. Is that not protected by law in the states??? Who has preached where hmmmmm. As a canadian I think I have more rights and freedoms by far. Be warned as your rights and freeedoms are being erroded

[kvajyg]

If you have an excuse after reading

Hebrews 7:6-13, then what else can be said? Wealth and riches (gained by such means) are identified in Revelation only with Babylon the Great (the empire of false religion). Jesus never rode the backs of the poor to gain riches. And what loving God would even asked for tithings when gas is over $4.00? When food and shelter is hard to come by? He promises in Psalms 37:10, 11. to clean up the earth not have his followers hope in it or its riches.

[jahrome904]

that these churches under investigation are stealing from people or taking advantage of any person most of them sell books and have other entrepreneurial means to making their own money...and if anyone thinks that selling a book that has to with god is wrong then why are there bibles in the bookstores???!!!! One day the government will have to see that their double standard way of doing things is not right and senseless because where god is uplifted in righteousness no man can come against it!!!

[kvajyg]

It is sad Jahrome904 - that fundamental preaching has caused people to say "dont look in my backyard!" As far as the tithing is concerned, look on page 2, we discussed that already. Everyone wants to say the Ransom sacrificed freed us from THE LAW - yet when it comes to tithing - its still a commandment. Hebrews 7:6-13 could be no more expressive that tithing according to Jesus ransom IS NO LONGER NEEDED. In fact it says all men who still receive tithing are dying men - stuck in the law.

[jahrome904]

well tell me this....Why is the pope is filthy rich and noone complains...i'll tell you because he's not driving around atlanta and broadcasting that you can live for god and follow his word have a clean life be happy and through following god's commands you too will blessed immensly with not just wealth but knowledge, wisdom & happiness but most importantly an eternal life in heaven

[kvajyg]

How blessed you are to have such riches! But you failed to use Jesus words that you received it free - you should give it free. Matthews 10:8. You compare yourselves to crooked politicians? And people are jealous you are weathly? By means of the poor? As Jesus said you give a tenth of the mill and gulped the whole camel! So what you do some good! I would be scared because of the description of Babylon the Great - false religion being wealthy. Don't hate! Is that the best you can do?

[jahrome904]

the word is free and church is free as well, and offering is a voluntary gift to the CHURCH to help it to grow and continue helping the community by taking thugs off the street spreading gods message of love and everlasting life, and your tithe is 10% that GOD asked for in malachi 3:6-12 pay your tithes and offerings some will disobey and some will not .....but allow me to say there are some crooked pastors the bible also speaks of them in revelations but because they ave wealth does not mean..

[jahrome904]

or would not even care about the ministry otherwise this did not just happen over night there have been many years of community violence, homelessness, poverty, prostitution, and drugs taking over homes and communites, that creflo and pastors like him have donated and ministered to help put an end to..... consequently bettering families and people! but now that he has established wealth by following gods commands its a problem right?

[jahrome904]

i think these politicians scince they seemingly have a new watchful set of eyes should check thier own books and dirty back door deeds first before launching investigations on someone else especially the institution of worship...take the plank out of your own eye before tryig to remove the splinter in anothers

jealousy is breeding amongst the unsuccessful ministers in the gospel causing them to throw a brick and hide thier hands sending this kind of drama into the eyes of men who do not ....

[kvajyg]

My grandmother did not have privy to driving her preachers luxury car or rent a room in his house so it does not belong to the church. If Creflo loaned his Rolls out to the church, I would join just to drive it on the weekends. Not true. We are fed up with a government where the rich get richer and the poor poorer and Jesus felt the same. Why would he adopt anyone who felt riches were part of our road to God? Especially when he didnt share the wealth with the members?

[vuduchld61958]

People, did you not see this coming! I saw Bishop Eddie Long driving a Rolls Royce Phantom near the Ga Dome in the summer of 2007. I've seen Bynum driving her Rolls through Centennial Park. It was only a matter of time before the house of cards was going to fall, and yes, being a former employee for the IRS, Grassley has EVERY RIGHT to get whatever information he needs. Why? Because the Congress runs the IRS, it is just one agency within the dept of treasury, which congress oversees!

[kvajyg]

According to Matthew 10:8 - if you were suppose to be rich in shouldnt came for charging people for your services. It should have been on your own merrit. Politicians are called crooked if they used contributions from their supporters. My grandmother worried each day about food but the majority of her social security check went into the money basket. Her plight while her minister lived beautiful and drove an expensive car showed no caring for his flock. I visited a Kingdom Hall and no bucket!

[kvajyg]

In answer to your previous question of Jesus receiving gold and perfumes (when he was a baby) His parents offered doves for sacrificing (considered the poor contribution for sacrifice). The gold breastplate and robe was a symbol of honor - there were no mention of accessories. I'de like to know how you got the scriptures and history twisted and if other preachers are following your theory then I will visit my grandmother's grave and assure her of the ongoing investigation of false profits.

[mastacsg]

Exodus 39:10. Not only was the breastplate gold it had 4 rows of precious jewels, sapphires, emeralds etc... fine cloth, gold... It was excessive to say the least, whatever it was a symbol of.

As for Jesus, the sacrifice that you refer to of pigeons was made when Jesus was 8 days old (when he was circumcised). The Magi visited him and gave him gifts a few months after his birth. We also know during Jesus' ministry (3.5 years?) Judas had been stealing from their purse and no one noticed. How?

[kvajyg]

Mastacsq - you are mistaken. The breastplate did not BELONG to the priest himself - when he died the breastplate STAYED with the temple. So no one was rich. It wasnt until they were exposed of fleecing the people that they were punished or exposed as hypocrites by Jesus. Read the book of Malachi for further clarifications. Jesus referred the donations given to help feed the poor. He did not have a place to lay his head. As in point, if Jesus caed about money - he would have known.

[mastacsg]

Of course it stayed with the temple, ie, it stayed in the family. As you know, priesthood was a family affair. Similarly, Creflo would claim that his Rolls, his jet, BELONG to the church.

Which is kind of beside the point. Galatians 3, we're children of Abraham thanks to Christ. We're in the good company of Joseph, David, Solomon: all VERY rich. Have you read Deut/leviticus? Follow the law you will be made rich, you will produce wealth. There's no room for misinterpretation.

[kvajyg]

You are not Creflo and I dont know if anyone can speak on his motives or theory. Remember also Joseph, David, Solomon were not HIGH PRIEST. What was established for them was separate from worship. GOD DOES NOT NEED MONEY. Solomon put all that gold into building the temple of God which was later destroyed because of disobedience. The church leaders today would have been scruffling to get the gold and claiming the temple treasures were precious anyway.

[mastacsg]

Saying that these men aren't doing enough for the poor is loaded with assumptions. It assumes you know what they do for the poor, it assumes you know how much money they make and how much they give. It's between each man and God. Judas criticized Mary for pouring perfume on Jesus' feet. Who are we to judge? As it stands, I admire the work that Creflo does in the world. God has given you and I an amount of wealth also. Ask yourself if you can give more, not if someone else can.

[jtrisgood]

IN this video Sen. Grassley "ACCUSES" the IRS of, "...not doing their job.". Good job Sen. Grassley!!!!

[jtrisgood]

Well, Senator maybe we should look at your record and the record of your colleagues. According to the IRS, they can't keep up with the latest tax code because you morons keep making and changing it every year!!! So Senator Grassley, who's not doing their job???

[kvajyg]

Thats just like calling the kettle black. Dont look in my backyard - look in yourns. That doesnt help the fact that they are not following Jesus's role in not charging for their services. Jesus said you received free - give free. Matthew 10:8. I love the title False Profits.

[badboogerfinger]

Any man or woman who takes money in return for prayer or speech, while the poor stay poor. Is by definition a very evil soul. I do not believe in hand outs for everyone. You want, you make it happen. For those who are giving these theives money, I'm sure when you do get to heaven, GOD will slap you on the head and say what were you thinking! I was inside you the whole time! And for the shameful thieves, the devil will say.....Welcome....Mi casa, es su casa! -Think for yourselves!! sheeple!

[mastacsg]

People give money as they are moved to give, as much as they want, when they want, IF they want. According to the Bible, people should be giving money to a church. Why call these pastors thieves? They give a staggering amount of money to many charities. How much money we have invested in McD's, athletes, alcohol etc? When God compares that amount to what we each give to the poor, what will he say? We only know His judgement of a person will be a reflection of how they've judged others. Careful.

[mastacsg]

In response to people saying not to expect money: 2 corinthians 9:10, "Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your rightneousness. You will be made RICH IN EVERY WAY so you can be generous on every occasion."

Preaching greed is wrong, but if you listen to these pastors that's not what they preach. To expect God to provide means he provides everything abundantly. That includes money, health etc.

[kvajyg]

If these people live in mansions, drive jaguars and profit in anyway while their flock like my grandmother lived from paycheck to paycheck, hoping God is going to make a way for them to make it each month - then I think their conscience should speak for itself. This not God's way. Tithing was only used to feed the poor and the Levitical priesthood. It was done away with - with the ransom sacrifice. Jesus was poor like his people. This is more like Revelations Babylon the Great.

[mastacsg]

The first thing we learned about Jesus is how men came from the East to give him gold and expensive perfumes etc. I don't think there is any reason to assume that Jesus was poor. Also, I don't think tithing was used to feed the poor. It was used to pay priests. Have you read what the priests in the Levitical priesthood are supposed to be wearing? Gold and jewels and expensive cloth... Let's say it must have looked pretty gaudy and VERY excessive. The Bible doesn't preach that we should be poor.

[kvajyg]

They lived in the temple while the Israelites received the promise land. And if you read Malachi 3:10 says "Bring all the tenth parts into the storehouse that there may come to be food in my house. This food was used to feed the poor and the orphans and widows. Please read the bible and the history of the Jews. Here is the sad part of your question as to how the money was spent...Jesus told his disciples "you received the word free - give it free Mathew 10:8.

[tonymice]

Jesus paid his taxes and so should these multimillion dollar faith industries. Render unto ceasar what is ceasar's, and render unto God's what is Gods.

[QuinnCassidy]

check out the documentary freedom to fascism.. it explains how income tax came to be and how their is NO WRITTEN LAW that states we have to pay income tax.. it is in fact illegal..

[keemosobbee]

Catholic Charities is the shit!! and I am no where near a Catholic. They are for real.

[QuinnCassidy]

check out the documentary freedom to fascism.. it explains how income tax came to be and how their is NO WRITTEN LAW that states we have to pay income tax.. it is in fact illegal..

[keemosobbee]

The IRS is not perfect

[pos777]

Kenneth Copeland is a con man. He believes that people who send him money deserve to get taken. That's how people like him think. The government can't stop people from giving their money away, America is a free country. I'm glad someone is speaking up.

[ChuuchFolk]

Wow, i have one question...those of us that are adults and have dealt with taxes and the IRS. Do we honestly, genuinely think that the IRS are a bunch of kindergarten kids or something? Don't we all agree, that the IRS has better investigation skills than the police? NO ONE succeeds in tax evation, especially not for 22 years! Why do we think that these pastor's have succeeded in it, especially as large as they are. This is plain and simple unnecessary and ridiculous, Sen. Grassley has lost it.

[pos777]

It's all a con. Jesus was against materialism. These guys don't believe in the bible, they're sharks! Jesus' message was a spiritual one. The rewards were never meant to mean material rewards. Copeland lives in a massive mansion; an extravagance that a 'real' man of God would forgo to give to the poor or to spreading the gospel. It's a disgrace, but you can't STOP people from giving their money away. Otherwise it wouldn't be a free country.

[BKRtunes]

Jesus wasn't against material things. He was against loving your stuff more than him. Perhaps pos777 should actually read the Bible. I'd like to ask all the commentators here..How much have you given to the poor,in fact when was the last time you did anything for anybody else? These ministers give more and do more in one week than most of you will give or do in your entire life. It's clear in the Bible that God wants us to prosper. Why would I want to listen to a preacher that isn't prospering?

[pos777]

BKRtunes - We must have different bibles. In mine Jesus says to give all your money to the poor and follow him, not worrying for the morrow, but to consider the lilies of the field and trust in God to provide your basics. That's why I don't follow him either, but at least I admit it. With regards giving to the poor, I'm a charity case myself, but I do what I can.

[BKRtunes]

You have a Bible, what you lack is understanding. That scripture is talking about your priority's. It's saying that if you're not willing to give up all you wealth to follow him,your wealth is keeping you from his will. If you would read that Bible,you'd find several other times that Jesus asked others to do the same thing,& the ones that did,got it back a hundred times over. Why would he give them back a hundred times what they gave up,if he expected them to be poor? It was a test & he failed.

[pos777]

I understand the moral. The 'hundred times over' refers to a literal interpretation of Mark 10:29-30. None of the disciples nor Paul (a maker of tents) were recorded as becoming rich men. Matthew 19:28-29 and Lk.18:29-30 imply that the rewards are spiritual. Matthew actually implies that the gain comes 'at the renewal of all things.' See: bible[DOT]ca/ef/expository-mar­k-10-29-30.htm for a study of the difficulties caused by a literal interpretation of Mark 10:29-30.

[carmel23]

What are the standards for the things that a pastor should have? Who says that ANYONE shouldn't accept a GIFT as big as a Rolls Royce? I agree that there are many Pulpit Pimps however, their financial matters are between GOD, themselves,IRS,and the contributers. Everybody else then put themselves in a position to judge when it's only a position GOD himself declares. Who are you to request that this is made public for you to decide whether or not their legit. Pray and ask GOD to lead you He will

[djisforreal2]

Many, Many people would say that it's wrong for ministers to have nice things, but if that's so is it wrong for presidents and senators to be rich. God said, "I will bless those that bless you, and curse those that curse you." Peole bless those pastors to be blessed. I know because I as homeless and had nothing, but now I live in a nice house and eat good all the time and drive a cadillac seville because I blesed my man and woman of God. The principals they preach work if you who care to use it.

[FaithandReasons]

Y r u comparing ministers 2 worldly politicians? & the issue isn't the wolves having "nice things." It's suspected corruption & abuse of influence & position.

None of the "preachers" being investigated know the Lord. They r heretics, wolves, devils. I am not surprised that u can't discern that...being that u follow their perverted "word of faith" doctrine.

Examine urself & c if u b in the faith...

agape

[emersonthegreat]

Insert evil laugh at 2:42...Of course we have the right BWAHAHAHAHA

[darcytirsia]

I don't mind an investigation, but I do think that the timing is suspicious.

Election season is in full bloom, and he happens to choose now to do an investigation (past 8 weeks).

His cover is that he is a republican.

[kingranch33]

I have read some these comments to all of you who think the govt is wrong shame on you!! These places are tax exempt and why in the hell should a pastor have 5mil private jets and mil dollar homes its crazy this is satan at his best wake up people the kingdom of heaven is not easy to get into! God is Love! B Blessed!

[revlooshin]

he's lying! he's not gonna eff with the roman catholic church. c'mon now!

[Batman0049]

If you believe all preachers are legit then you are a fool.If you do not investigate how will you know.A street Pimp could call his whores his congregation/church and be legit.TRUTH withstands scrutiny, LIES waiver and makes lots of noise.SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED>

[mrvlslight]

This is terrible. We dont need the "fed govt" in our churches. these minstries are not to be compared with the red cross. How long will it be before they begin telling preachers what they can preach about. Its the congregation and the people who support these ministries responsibility to see that their tithes are going in the right place not the government. most of them dont care about us or the church, and they dont know or care about whats written in the bible. This is an example of greed.

[Steelpulz]

Don't be confused. The Senator admitted that this investigation is not by teh Finance Committee. Although he imay be on the Committee, this investigation is by Grassley alone. IT is not a Finance Committee investigation. That's a problem.

[Ricodabodyguard22]

But when a member/employee or members/employees of a church does whistle-blow about exploitation (financial, physical, sexual abuse); church hierarchy, their inner circle and some of their followers usually pull out the "Judge, lest you be judge" or the "Touch Not My Anointed, Do My Prophets No Harm" card. He's also investigating and has got some of those charities exploiting our war veterans due to "whistle-blowers."

[notheword1]

I read matthew 7:13 and it's a scary thought, to know that Many can enter by the gate (Jesus), but they can wander off the narrow road in the process. right after this the discussions of false prophets come up, and that is not by accident! We have to be on guard and test all spirits to see, if they are of God.

[AaronZorn]

Go get those dogs Chuck!

[notheword1]

Sometimes God chooses the most unlikely people to judge His own, when the church should have been holding these guys accountable. It makes me sick to see how blindly people follow these guys, just because of a title. Judgement will began at teh house of God, it never said how the judgement will come, maybe through a Senator!

[whisperingwildcat]

AMEN! Well said

[bishop88fingers]

Solidrock57, Wow!! Another area where the President didn't do his homework!! The modern head of the free world, also blinded by the glitter and glitz of televangelists!! WE TRULY NEED TO PRAY!!!

[Solidrock57]

People you can pray to God directly. You don't need a pastor to pray for you. We need to pray for God to show us his chosen servants. The devil has sent some of his to distract us. Pray for the truth to be revealed! (What happened to President Bush's "Faith Based Initiative"). Some of these "ministers" were invited to the White House! Some got angry when he didn't deliver the money he promised!

[craggles80]

You may say that, but I have been giving Kenneth Copelands ministry $2,000 per week, with the promise that I will help more people to be saved, and that I will drastically improve my chances of entering Gods eternal Kingdom.

[Solidrock57]

Lavish lifestyles, divorce, infidelity, deceit, taking from the poor ... God's chosen? The rest of the world is curious about relegion in the United States? People who believe and fear God would not behave in this way.

[notheword1]

I am ashamed of this "modern-day christianity", like Watchman Nee said.."in a congregation of 100 people, only 2 God may consider as His church". Real christianity is living to enter heaven, not making it here on earth. Ezekiel 34 speaks volumes on these guys.

[bishop88fingers]

3DStoneCt, They should have took the example of the late Dr. Gene Scott. When he asked for money, he stated to the audience that they GIFT it to him, not his ministry! That's how he beat the IRS!!(True Playa Indeed!!!)

[3DStoneCt]

It's hard out there for a pimp. I think it's great that they take people's hard earned money and use it for whatever purposes they choose. People just need to be smart and not give their cash. Why you gonna work hard for something and just give it away when you aren't getting more in return? That isn't wise and it has nothing to do with anything that Yahshua taught.

[bishop88fingers]

Can church money be used to fix up someone's private property? How large a gift can someone accept, and still claim tax exempt status? Remember, this is NOT a bible doctrine problem...it's a tax exempt organization problem

[bishop88fingers]

I am suprised at all the sleepwalkers on this post!!!...This investigation is based on the Mega 6 abiding by tax exempt status organizations!!!....If your organization receives donations, the monies must be used according to the tax laws...There are many 501c status organizations that are bogus...THIS IS ONLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG!!!

[realitydistorted]

Alright, get those thieves!

[fyzotrini]

Who u calling thieves?. Becarefull my child. Do Not Curse God's Chosen people, especially those he appointed as Preaches.

[IndependentConserv]

Those God appointed don't lie and spread false doctrines like those Pulpit PIMPS.

[geeyahmunch]

How do you know they were called by God. Many were called, FEW were CHOSEN.

[Ladyturbo331]

fyzotrini:

These are not God's chosen. These are self-promoting pimps who fleece the flocks. WE were warned about the wolves in sheep's clothing in Matthew among other scriptures.

[loopdawgg]

For a conservative, you sound a lot like a socialist when it comes to prosperity

[IndependentConserv]

Do you not realize that 1 Timothy 6:1-16 was a message for DEBT slaves. There was no message from God that Paul could claim they would be given money to free them from DEBT slavery. He said they should be content with food and shelter, which they had and you have even better than them.

Those liars deceived you, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15.

Don't worry about me, worry about what the Lord who's name you claim commands.

[Ladyturbo331]

IndependentC:

You're my hero....I see you on Pulpit-pimps(dot) org and HealTheLand(dot)com

I like your style and your truth!! Bless you brother!

[IndependentConserv]

If I'm doing anything good, thank the Lord Jesus Christ, because I by myself am a pretty messed up individual.

And once upon a time, I used to support these crooks as much as those who attack me now for speaking out against them.

[Ladyturbo331]

IC:

I supported them too, and made my children do without so I could give more, thinking I was being a good steward. I have asked their forgiveness and repented!!

You are doing a wonderful thing exposing the lies and warning the flock!!

[belovia50]

Aren't all six of these ministries Pentecostal/Charismatic? Sounds doctrinal to me. People get wise here. Are they wanting the taxes from these organizations, or are they wanting something else? Why aren't they blowing the whistle on other denominations? Get smart, church, wake up!

[IndependentConserv]

Did you actually watch the video? As is mentioned, the investigation is based on COMPLAINTS.

Somebody decided to call out those LYING PROSPERITY PIMPS and if they were not lying against God no man would have a charge against them.

True children of God are never afraid to show themselves as honorable with finances to BOTH GOD AND MAN, 2 Corinthians 8:18-22.

[mom2dave]

Because the Pentecostal/Charasmatic movement is all about sensationalism and it appeals to the emotions. If you get people hyped up and scream at them for two hours, they will believe almost anything you tell them.

[jprobert1987]

I attend a Pentecostal (COGIC) chruch, and its rarely like that. But I will admit that these denominations has its shares of devils.

[notheword1]

Trust me every denomination has sensationalism, whether they jump and shout or sit and say nothing, it's what's in people's hearts, and that covers all of us.

[lilredbug]

What's really behind this, I'm wondering. How did other nations believers have their freedoms taken away? Is the church in America going to have to go underground too? The Bible says for the church to govern the church, does it not?

[IndependentConserv]

The Bible says for the church to pay taxes and respect the rule of government, Romans 13:1-7.

These church groups made a choice to register with government as tax exempt organizations. Now like all tax exempt organizations, they will have to show they have used the money donated accordingly.

[belovia50]

But why just these six? Why not go after the tax write offs of businesses and the loop holes for the very rich?

[IndependentConserv]

belovia50, you ask, "why these six?". Again, the investigation is based on complaints. If you feel Congress needs to go after somebody, when is the last time you wrote anyone in Congress about it?

[spiritof75]

It's about time somebody begins to make these tax-free organizations accountable.

[loopdawgg]

so be content then. I'm not.

[IndependentConserv]

Do you claim The Lord Jesus Christ as your savior?

[loopdawgg]

Sure do. Jesus is Lord!

[IndependentConserv]

Well then, John 14:15 is for you. You have been given the command of contentment. To do otherwise places you outside of Christ's commands and you have no excuse.

[loopdawgg]

what is contentment?

[IndependentConserv]

1 Timothy 6:1-16, Luke 3:14, Hebrews 13:5-9.

Christ message to the poor, Luke 6:20.

Christ warning to the rich, Luke 6:24.

The apostles did not promise the poor earthly riches either, they simply tried to help poor saints, Romans 15:26-27.

Also read 1 Peter 4.

[loopdawgg]

Didn't Pontius Pilate say something like this? He is getting his information from "watchdog" groups. these groups have been around for thousands of years, and were the ones who led the romans to Crucify the Master.

[IndependentConserv]

To try and compare those pimps with Christ is ludicrous at best. Christ and the apostles NEVER told the poor they would have earthly riches. While these PIMPS LIE and claim all who claim the Lord's name are entitled to earthly "prosperity". Pimps don't preach the true message of Christ, so don't compare them to HIM. Acts 8:20, Hebrews 13:5-9

[loopdawgg]

Waht is the "true message of Christ"?

[IndependentConserv]

Regarding money, the message of Christ to those who claim His name is something I've detailed at: independentconservative[.]com/­2007/10/16/contentment/