This is absurd. If Hunt had this knowledge, why did he go to prison for a petty breakin done at the behest of another President? Wouldn't his information have bought him a "Get out of jail" card? More to the point, if E. Howard Hunt had intimate knowledge of a conspiracy to assassinate JFK, he would have never lived to talk about it as a decrepid old man pumped up on morphine. Lee Harvey Oswald killed 2 people. I wonder how many Mr. Hunt killed in his cloak and dagger days.
@lsmith869 Speaking of morons, then its correct to assume that you never watch the televised LBJ interview after he was out of office. In his own words he was clearly fed-up with the war and war protesters. He said, and I quote "..there wasn't one damn night that that phone next to my bed didn't ring. When it would I'd go nuts first wondering if we were under attack or one of our ships had run someone down." Is that clear enough for you that LBJ wanted out?
@lsmith869 Its just your opinion, one that's bazzar, it assumes what's in LBJ's head. LBJ had the motive, means, mob contacts and follow up to divert and whitewash the assination. Because he later got fed up with protesters and a hopeless war has nothing to do with anything. Nixon had backbone to take the hopeless mess, GIs dying daily, and end JFKs and LBJs Viet mess, plus got the protesters and hate in spades. He ended the war, but after resigning Congress let the VC back to kill civilians.
@lsmith869 "YOU'RE" point is bullshit on it's face. There's a four year time span between when LBJ took the oath of office and then became fed-up with the crap of Vietnam left to him by JFK. This is an obvious "DUH?' moment for you isn't it? Libs like you are always ignorant of history and facts. Always assuming bullshit, with lock-step opinionated liberal spin based on pure bullshit. Don't you people read anything more than text written in crayon or what some Dem tells you to think?
@lsmith869 Born in '62? Yeah right, you were still sucking on a tit so what the hell do you remember about JFK, LBJ or "the mood". I was walking around, driving a car, waiting for when my lottery number for the draft to be called for my turn in Nam. Your the jackass and clueless infantile skull full of mush.
Bottom line, JFK gave the go-ahead and then chickened out at the eleventh hour that resulted in Castro executing hundreds of Cubans uprisers. So what's your point? Shouldn't Kennedy have verified his intel before opening his mouth? JFK should never have been assassinated, had he lived out his term he would have proven to the world what in inept, pompous, inexperienced, spoiled rich brat he and RFK really were. He also got the US started in Vietnam. What an F'up. Sounds a lot like Obama today.
@Jdawg0492 Are you for real? I'm not going to do your homework for you if your that ignorant. Have you been living in a cave? Just put on the History Channel some time. or there's even a YouTube clip of LBJ saying "...I didn't create this war. And you know who did". Don't know about you, but I lived through the JFK years and his bungling of things was obvious. He wasn't the beloved genius that Lib/Dems romanticize about today. The Kennedys weren't Camelot, White trash is more accurate.
the Warren Commision knows that the we would find all who was responsible. And we can rest assure that the Warren Commision would capitalize from the freedom from the execution of JFK. And the American People wouldnt give their grandchildren hell for their corrupted famalies. Its a Private Pedigree Privacy Hush, hush, bullshit! But, it makes sense?
Why do you think the government won't reveal what happened on or around 12:25 P.M. Nov. 22, 1963. It was a coup d'etat. Pure and simple. They want all the conspirators to be dead and gone before anyone knows he real truth. Goerge "daddy" bush was in Dallas that day (do your own research into this evil family) So many other "coincidences" of that fateful day and that bloody murder scream to us today down the years from 1963 to today for vengeance. Why do you think so many you-tuber won't let it g
That was the most cryptic and anti-climactic confession in history. Hunt, on his death bed, seems to be saying: "I could tell you more, but my life would be in danger."
In Texas LBJ had a long reputation as a ruthless dirty politician. Might have known about the pending Mob hit, but wasn't involved and did nothing to interfere. JFK & RFK always behaved like spoiled rich punk kids. In senate hearings RFK belittled and taunted big Mob figures will snickering and childish remarks, they did the same to LBJ. JFK also lost Cuba to Castro by chickening out with US support resulting in the Bay of Pigs. The Mob then lost their Cuba casinos and millions. Motive enough?
@henrynevins You're ridiculous my friend. Of course RFK would belittle mobsters, theyre fucking mobsters. What president wouldnt. And you say JFK lost Cuba by chickening out? Youre laughable. Haven't you heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis? If JFK or any American president had invaded Cuba at that time the U.S. would have been hit with dozens of Soviet nuclear warheads that were stationed on Cuba. How uneducated are you? We were days away from nuclear war and you call JFK chicken for not invading?
@butanerios I lived through that era Pal. If your so smart ever hear of the Bay of Pigs? No history of JFK can be written without noting his telling the Sandanista's "Hey, go ahead outest Castro and we'll back you up." Then at the 11th hour JFK chickened out, leaving all the Cuban rebels to be executed, its a 100% common known FACT. Castro had just over thrown the govt, the missiles came later. Had JFK acted first there wouldn't have been a Cuban Missile Crisis. Your laughable, plus ignorant.
@henrynevins If you lived through that era you should know that the Bay of Pigs operation was hatched during the Eisenhower Administration. Kennedy reluctantly went along because he was assured by "trusted" advisors (like CIA's Allen Dulles) that the invasion would succeed with concurrent uprising by the Cuban people, that any failure at the beachead could be followed by brigade members taking refuge in the mountain ranges, & U.S involvement would be kept secret. None proved valid. CIA's fiasco.
An Italian News team aired a documentary years ago on PBS which clearly showed that the Mob had the best motive to kill JFK. In Chicago and Texas the Mob as a favor to JFK's father (the father made his millions by boot-legging whiskey with the Mob during Prohibition) got his son elected with voter fraud. Once elected JFK & RFK betrayed the Mob. They brought in 3 hit men from Europe that came in via Canada. They were in the grassy knoll dressed as cops. Oswald was the Mob's planned fall guy.
I don't believe that President Johnson had anything to do with the assassination , I believe that he knew who the killers were , but he was afraid to tell us , and he took that information to the grave with him . Hunt was an old CIA chief , I don't believe anything he had to say .
And as for witness deaths...the Conspiracy side should never overstate the case as that is not required to make the argument. If one or two or five witnesses died in unusual circumstances (and they certainly did), that would seem a large enough number of murder(s) to raise concern.
The shots are difficult. The 2nd and 3rd shots, as envisioned by the Warren Commission, would have to have been "minute of arc" shooting. The rifle certainly can be assembled quickly and easily. But it is unlikely that Oswald's rifle would have held its zero through dis-assembly, transport, and reassembly. It just was not that kind of weapon (and very few rifles are). We know the FBI had to shim the rear mount of the scope on Oswald's rifle to even begin to sight it. And on and on.
@Zipperhedd Don't change the subject. According to you, the deaths of "all the witnesses called before the Warren Commission" are THE crucial piece of evidence in the case, and I shouldn't reply to you unless I have a good explanation for them, but you have yet to name any people who "were killed or died under mysterious circumstances." Only Gerald Ford, who died under very un-mysterious circumstances at the age of 93. So who died mysteriously?
@cengime The following material witnesses died in the three year period after the assassination: Karyn Kupcinet, Jack Zangretti, Eddy Benavides, Betty McDonald, Bill Chesher, Hank Killam, Bill Hunter, Gary Underhill, Hugh Ward, DeLesseps Morrison, Teresa Norton, Guy Banister, Jim Koethe, CD Jackson, Mary Pinchot, Paul Mandel, Tom Howard, Maurice Gatlin, Mona Saenz, David Goldstein, Rose Cherami, Dorothy Killgallen, Mrs Earl Smith, William Whaley, Judge Joe Brown, Karen Carlin (continued)
@deweycheethamandhowe First of all, Carlin and Norton are the same person, and in 1978, the Congressional Research Service was unable to turn up evidence that she had died at all.
@deweycheethamandhowe I don't see how you could consider the deaths by natural causes of Chesher, Banister, Jackson, Mandel, Howard, Goldstein, Smith, Brown, Martin, and Levens suspicious, and I do not think the evidence supports claims that Kupcinet, Zangetty, Benavides, McDonald, Killam, Hunter, Underhill, Ward, Morrison, Koethe, Pinchot, Gatlin, Saenz, Kilgallen, Bogard, Walle, Pitzer, Whaley, Cheramie, Bowers, or Worrell knew anything about the assassination that would have to be covered up.
@cengime Albert Bogard, Capt Frank Martin, Lee Bowers, Marilyn Walle, Lt William Pitzer, Jimmy Levens, James Worrell Jr. That is just in the first three years. The deaths conveniently spike during the Garrison trial and the HSCA. But I guess that is all just coincidence.
@deweycheethamandhowe Out of all the people who would have made this list if they had died, most stayed alive. It would be surprising if some people didn't die violently in such a large sample. I mean, you have Benavides on here just because his brother witnessed the murder of Tippit. Just how large does this list grow when you include not only everybody tangentially connected to the assassination, but their entire families?
@Zipperhedd That's really the best you have? People try to kill presidents all the time (FDR, Truman, Kennedy [more than once!], Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush all faced attempts on their lives), so there's really nothing unusual about that. But which of the two nuts who took a shot at Ford do you think is in on the Kennedy assassination?
@Zipperhedd You demand an explanation for all the mysterious deaths, but you can't name one? I know crackpots are always more comfortable asking questions than answering them, but name one, will you? Just one really important witness who died in a really suspicious way.
@Zipperhedd What evidence is there that any of these alleged murder victims knew something compromising the alleged conspiracy that they hadn't already revealed? You can't assume that there was a conspiracy and that they therefore must have been murdered to keep them quiet, then use that as evidence of a conspiracy. And wouldn't a squad of assassins cleaning up the witnesses complicate things? Each assassin recruited is another person with knowledge of the conspiracy who needs to be cleaned up.
@Zipperhedd Keep in mind that the list of assassination-related people conspiracy authors draw their mysterious deaths from is huge. It includes everyone who was in and around Dealey Plaza, every reporter who covered the assassination, every law enforcement officer who worked on the case, everyone on the White House staff, everyone who knew Clay Shaw, it goes on and on. And Marrs lists people who died as late as 1984. OF COURSE a bunch of those people died within 20 years.
@Zipperhedd Well, which "mystery deaths" are you interested in? Do you want an individual explanation for each of the 103 listed by Jim Marrs? Or, like you said before, all of the 94 witnesses called before the Warren Commission? Why should I go to that effort when you already read about the HSCA's investigation of this issue in volume 4 of their report?
@Zipperhedd Excuse me, ALL of the Warren Commission's witnesses died under mysterious circumstances? You care to back up that outrageous claim? Star conspiracy witnesses Malcolm Summers, Ed Hoffman, and Jean Hill died in old age of natural causes decades after having told their story.
As the tape reveals, JFK was murdered by fanatical Cold Warriors in the Pentagon and the CIA who were bitter that JFK would not authorize a full scale invasion of Cuba. When the Texas hick Lyndon Johnson assumed the presidency, he appeased the war hawks, not by invading Cuba, but by escalating another war that the right-wing fanatics wanted -- the war in Vietnam.
Hunt's last statements regarding LBJ's motives make sense. The Democratic Party would certainly have nominated JFK for a second term in 1964, which means that the very earliest LBJ could have hoped to become President was 1969. By that time he would have been 60 years old. However, his own father had died at age 58, and his grandfather hadn't lived even that long. LBJ may have figured he couldn't afford to wait and just decided to have Kenndey rubbed out.
It's pretty obvious that you're not going to give any serious consideration to my arguments, so I don't see the point in having this discussion where nobody who was actually interested could see it.
"Many people, I imagine, could attain wisdom if they were not convinced they already had it." - Seneca
@jaajulez619 There are also the eyewitnesses who saw Oswald in that window with his rifle: Howard Leslie Brennan (who positively identified Oswald as the man he saw fire the shots), Amos Lee Euins (who also saw a man firing and pointed out the window to police immediately after the assassination), Arnold Rowland, Robert Fischer, and Robert Edwin Edwards.
@cengime You Cant "identify" a man six sotries up in a window that well . Yes everyone knew there was a man firing but can they identify that exact man?
@jaajulez619 I don't know if I could identify a man I saw from six stories below, but Brennan testified that he got a good look at the man in the window several times and later picked Oswald out of a lineup as most closely resembling the man he saw with the rifle. With all this other evidence pointing right to Oswald, I have to take it as yet more confirmation of his guilt.
@cengime im not going all deep conspiricy on you here . but warren commision made alot of lie, mistakes and destroyed evidence . you prove a good point but you never know .
Beware of the great possibility that Hunt's "confession" is no more than a classic ploy to divert attention away from the real plotters,Some of the people he mentions were probably involved as was Hunt himself,but the Cord Meyer part is Bullshit,JFK met his wife,that is all,there is no evidence of an affair,period.Hunt was company to the last and he served his masters well,HELMS IS NOT MENTIONED!!!!The Blame is placed on LBJ,LBJ was a servant of the real power elite,not a string puller.THINK!
This guy is bullshit trying to make a name for himself or impress his son.He was a professional liar for a living.SOunds like a made up novel to me. I can make stories up with people I worked with too.He also didnt disclose any facts about the mysteries of the shootings.Like how many shots were fired and the real positions of the shooters.If he was in the loop than he would of known these details.I think everyone wants to know if the Badge man was a real man.This guy is full of shit.
@castersen13 ,Hunt was Human Garbage.I believe there are two conclusions we can take from this episode.
1;This is deliberate disinfo from Hunt to divert attention away from Helms and Walters and placing it rediculously on a no body Cord Meyer as a result of a fabricated ,CIA originated lie about a JFK affair with this guys wife.
2;This is an attempt by Hunt to provide a Source of revenue for his son through Books and Movies to make up for his absence as a father,a sort of nest feathering.
I believe Lucien Sarti is the knoll shooter. Hunt would give that up. The rest is covering up his CIA stuff. His wife died in a plane crash with blackmail money. I have seen pictures of the Cubans and they match in Dallas. 1 in the upper back. 1 hits Tague. "Magic Bullet" hits both? Final killing shot. That's 4. Not 3. CiA anti-Castro set-up to start invasion of Cuba. And then war with Russia. Thank you Mr. Hunt. Idiot that was so dissapointed that the crazy JFK/RFK invasion fell apart.
Google E Howard Hunt Deathbed Confession and read the Rolling Stone article. He goes into slightly more detail. Hunt was a pro-spook and disinformation trained operator so anything he says is suspect. Maybe this confession was his last job for CIA. He was a spy novelist and good bullshitter as part of his profession. He never mentions his dropping some Cubans off in Dallas the day before so who knows how true this confession is?
@Poonard *of that's probably because both subjected themselves to a very very dramatic life chock full of action and insane situations. Reminds me of doesn't imply that I think he is something. HST did in fact, however, have lots of friends in high places.
@Poonard Jumping in here, with a comment, if ya don't mind. I just wanted to say that you are not alone in seeing Hunter S. Thompson as a good character model for a CIA agent, or at least a Secret Agent of some sort. In fact if you have ever seen Cartoon Network's The Venture Bros. (which isnt a kids cartoon btw) they have a charactor named Colonel Hunter Gathers that is part of the "OSI" secret agency that is unashamedly based entirely on Hunter S Thompson....Funny stuff too, worth a look C
i have serious problems buying that oswald alone killed jfk, but wtf is the old coot trying to prove? he just goes on and on with totally personal speculation and musings about what people might have done and what connections they may have had, alone with his guesses as to what their motives may have been. he offers no facts, no evidence, and not even the claim that he heard anyone talk about killing jfk. seems to be an old fart that wanted some attention.
he's giving names and connections not the whole picture if interested its up to you to connect the dots. JFK knew he was messing with something big and dark. Certainly he had to consider him being killed, i dont know, he was kinda cocky. Maybe he tought no one would be so bold. And no, no lone nut did the job, it was triangulated crossfire, too many witnesses reported that.
there is no evidence that triangulated crossfire was a reality. pure speculation. nothing this old fuck says in this video is evidence of anything. it is hard to fathom, knowing everything that did happen... that simply oswald killed kennedy, and that's it, but the things hunt says provides nothing.
that is a ridiculous comment const. there is a ton of evidence that oswald did it. it doesn't make it true that he did, or that he did it alone. don't be blind. keep your mind and eyes and ears open.
if it had GONE to court. try learning a little english. it might help your credibility. your claims about what would have happened are simply your musings kiddo. we will never know, because it was never truly investigated, which was the whole point.
my nationality has nothing to do with your inability to use the proper tense of a word. i'm not sure what the personal insult was, other than to imply that you are at best lacking in education in english. the strength of argument has clearer been conveyed previously. your subjective conclusions about the jfk assassination are not fact, which i pointed out. if you don't like that, that's your problem kiddo. and it's not guilty until proven guilty. juries find people "not guilty", NOT innocent.
Since you are on a "proper English" kick, try to wear this shoe to see if it fits. Sentences begin with capital letters. Also, in the United States of America, it is innocent until proven guilty. It's not the other way around. It is the duty of the State to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that one is guilty. You have the right to remain silent, they have to prove their case. That, of course, is theory.
please kid. the omission of capital letters is obviously intentional.. knowingly done. spelling and the use of proper wording is completely different. i have no idea of what you point is supposed to be. when did i say that someone is not innocent until proven guilty? when did i say that someone didn't have the right ot remain silent? what was your inane rant supposed to accomplish? about what were you talking?
@cengime I have read the Warren Report. Totally joke. It began with a conclusion and then worked carefully to ensure that the available facts fitted the pre-ordained determination. The HSCA even said 'The Warren Commission failed to investigate adequately the possibility of a conspiracy to assassinate the President.'
You believe the Warren Report then you are a fool.
@constcrepe You should read the HSCA's report too, because it largely vindicates the Warren Commission. I say "largely" because they believed the "acoustic evidence" stuff which was later debunked by the National Research Council's Committee on Ballistic Acoustics and by independent research at IBM. I would be happy to debunk any conspiracy canard you care to bring up.
@cengime So you believe the Nazi Supporters at IBM? Good for you then. The basic logic still stands. No way in hell could Oswald of been able to get off three shots was it? Within 9 seconds and be that accurate when he was described as a poor shot..... Funny how we see parallels today with the 9/11 Hijackers who were described as terrible pilots, yet they were capable of preforming such difficult maneuvers that their instructors were shocked to hear of
@GoldenGram1993KB I've listened to the tape for myself, and you can hear with the naked ear evidence that establishes it was recorded minutes after the assassination, far too late for the "acoustic impulses" to be shots. As for Oswald's timing and accuracy, Major Eugene D. Anderson testified that judging by Oswald's training records, "Oswald had full capabilities to make this shot." Read the testimony of Ronald Simmons; FBI shooters with Oswald's rifle could get the shots off in under 8 seconds.
@cengime Does it not seem fishy to you that in the height of the Cold War the U.S. allowed a potential traitor back into the country... Oswald was actually allowed back into the country after going to Russia. That's just unheard of. Speaking to the testimony, He said Oswald was capable.... I think that the same people that killed Oswald probably had this Eugene D. Anderson in their pocket. Also, why would Oswald be killed SO soon after the shooting, before he had a chance to take a stand?
@GoldenGram1993KB No, it doesn't. As he was still a U.S. citizen and the State Department determined that he had not performed an expatriating act, I am not surprised that he was allowed to enter the U.S. Appendix 15 of the Warren Commission Report details the bureaucratic process Oswald went through to come back.
@cengime No , He Became a Russian Citizen and it was beleived he helped russians track down an intel plane , so treason was in the air , ALSO he took back his full blood Russian wife, she wasent interveiwed talked to or anything both of them let in like nothing
@jaajulez619 Oswald did not become a Russian citizen. They were just going to make him leave when his visa expired, but he committed suicide, and the Russians felt so sorry for him that they let him stay and gave him a job. The KGB never debriefed Oswald. If he'd given them that kind of information, they would have said so, because it would have been evidence of a conspiracy that would have been embarrassing to the U.S. government. Evidence to the contrary has not turned up since the USSR fell.
@jaajulez619 Sorry, I should have written ATTEMPTED suicide, on October 21, 1959. Oswald wrote in his diary that he was going to end it all and slit his wrist.
@jaajulez619 Read Appendix 15 of the Warren Commission Report.
Yes, it's a coincidence, since he wouldn't have been in the area if Karen Carlin hadn't asked him to send her money. Jack Ruby regularly dressed like that and carried a gun. The idea that Ruby had Mob connections is pure fantasy. You would know that if you had read Appendix 16 of the Warren Commission Report.
@cengime Ok For 1 , Fantasy? haha everyone KNEW he had connections with the mob , and Warren commision fucked up their details , destroyed evidence so much that i woudnt trust a word they say
@cengime The Warren Commission said... The Warren Commission did about a good of a job investigating the murder as the 9/11 commission report did. While I take this from the movie JFK, they actually had a Magic Bullet Theory? That seems to me to be absolutely ridiculous and if the official story actually boasted that theory what the hell can we actually believe from them. Also, I don't buy that a potential defector got into the US that easy, there had to be strings attached and Oswald was used.
@GoldenGram1993KB The idea that the Warren Commission's theory required the second bullet to change direction is based on misconceptions about the seating arrangement. It was a straight line.
@cengime Then theres the fact that JFK obviously was shot from the front.... I dont know how youd dispute that cuz the physics of it say Lee was behind him, yet his head jolted backward.. I'm not expecting to convince you although this is a very healthy and respectable debate, but I will say this Governments lie to its citizens To deny that is nothing but ignorant. JFK was in my opinion a great man and I'm very sad that he died because he was one of few presidents to stand up to the bureaucrats
@GoldenGram1993KB Kennedy's head was pushed backwards by the large quantity of brain matter flying forward. You can observe this effect if you shoot a cantaloupe or something with a rifle.
@cengime Is that a fucking joke? Now I guess when your shot in the back of your head your head goes backward, and if your shot from the front it goes forward. What kind of logic is that.... Please, and were the fucking conspiracy theorists cuz we know simple laws of physics.
@GoldenGram1993KB Science often leads us to counterintuitive conclusions. Read Dr. Alvarez's paper and you will see why the physics are not as simple as you think.
@cengime So Your Saying , its impossible to shoot someone from the front and have their head go back . and it just so happens that many in the plaza that day heard a shot from the knoll . AND the entering and exiting wounds just so happen to be more likely from that vantage point . now we can sort of beleive the lone gunman theory we know its possible . but our theory is just as possible . even without all the evidence toward it .
@jaajulez619 I don't think there's reasonable doubt at all. Oswald had a rifle with him when Wes Frazier gave him a ride to work, and two witnesses saw him in the act of firing from that window. The overwhelming majority of the people in Dealey Plaza thought they heard three shots (with the greater part of the minority reporting less), and most thought they came from the direction of the Book Depository. Two of his shots explain all of the wounds, and no additional rounds were discovered.
@cengime a witness said he saw and heard gunfire from the knoll wen he was on a roof overlooking the plaza and there was a witness who originally stated he saw 2 men on the sixth floor , and thats fa rfrom the truth . there where many differnt sayings on the gunfire some witnesses say there were as many as 8 . 2 or 3 witnesses saying there were 3 shots . None of them knew for sure . and now there WAS gunfire from the book depository no doubt . but i beleive there was also fire from the knoll .
@jaajulez619 I don't dispute that some said that, but 56 witnesses reported shots from the direction of the Depository, 34 believed they came from the direction of the knoll, 8 who thought the shots came from somewhere else entirely, and only 5 witnesses who thought shots came from multiple directions. Some of these witnesses are wrong. In light of the other evidence, the majority seems to be correct. 77% of witnesses reported hearing only three shots, and again the evidence backs them up.
@cengime Obviously . according to theory there was only 1 to 2 shots / the rest were from the depository . and you dont know what type of gun the assasin in the knoll was using we have to assume it could have bin a much more quiet rifle if a rifle at all . your not properly exploring all the possiblilities .
@jaajulez619 Arnold Rowland told the Warren Commission months later that he'd seen two men on the sixth floor of the Depository, but in his sworn affidavit and statements to law enforcement on the day of the assassination, he described seeing ONE man on the sixth floor with a rifle. Ruby Henderson immediately reported seeing two men on one of the upper floors, but since she described them as dark-skinned, it is likely she saw Harold Norman and Bonnie Ray Williams on the fifth floor.
@cengime "Likely" . and stories can change . he might have rememberd something he might not of . assuming that if it wasnt oswald who was the shooter , they could have been the shooters . white black hispanic or a damn alien its possible
@jaajulez619 Rowland's wife testified that he had remarked to her on seeing one man in the sixth floor window with a rifle and had said nothing about a second. I think LHO not being the shooter is an unreasonable assumption given all the other evidence.
There are other possibilities, but I think Occam's razor applies to them. The more you look at the evidence, the more you find that the alleged holes in the mainstream theory come to nothing. Thus, no particular reason to doubt it was LHO alone.
@cengime Oscams razor? That bullshit again? The more you look at real evidence the more Oswald never fired any gun at anybody. He was certainly a patsy. You should pull your cia infected head out of your boyfriends asshole. it is easy to know you lied about everything so far. You always lie.
@oIdmac1 I take it you have never read the Warren Commission Report or the Report of the HSCA, or examined the mountains of evidence on which they are based. Oswald brought his rifle to work that morning, then multiple eyewitnesses saw him fire from a sixth floor window at Kennedy. When a police officer stopped him on account of his matching the description of the shooter, Oswald killed him. The man was guilty as sin, and there's not a jot of evidence for any other explanation.
@cengime That mountain of evidence is all Hoover bullshit. It was Gay Edgar Hoover, the controlled gay queen, that fabricated all of the fiction against Oswald. Oswald never shot anyone from anywhere. It was not oswald on the backyard picture, a curtain rods was created after Oswald was assassinated.
The rifle, handgun, curtain rods, 6th floor sniper nest, phony name Hidell, magic bullets, only 3 shots, etc.; all manufactured lies.
I saw the Hoover-in-drag picture. He looks just like your daddy.
@oIdmac1 If that mountain of evidence was all faked, it was faked with extraordinary skill, intelligence, and care. I would be happy to have such people running things behind the scenes. But if you think the FBI pulled that off, you must be willing to believe anything.
@cengime Apparently you are too stupid to understand what this video is telling you. Conspiracy !
It was not the FBI that pulled off the cover-up. It was queer boy Hoover. Former FBI & other fed agents are on video saying it. Hoover was a controlled fag in drag - pic on video. Most of the evidence was manufactured immediately after Oswald's death.
You can hear Hoover & his crime partner LBJ giving up the conspiracy in their own words on tape. Referring to "they"; not the lone assassin.
@cengime so do you have any reason to believe the government account of the conspiracy assassination other than your weird fixation with your moms rented dildo?
@cengime Yeah, definitely a total asshole, I wasn't sure at first, I was thinking what else could he be while living in his moms basement, but I see I was right to go with you are total asshole.
@oIdmac1@cengime both of you shut the fuck up, you're clearly not going anywhere with this. I just want to read the damn comments without your stupid fucking argument.
@GoldenGram1993KB If you're not willing to accept the many experiments with tape-reinforced melons as valid, Dr. John Lattimer achieved the effect shooting human skulls. You can find a somewhat morbid video of the experiment online.
@cengime It's one thing to say that this theory could of been the reason in the JFK case, but with all of these questioning factors surrounding that day its hard to draw any conclusion than one differing from the official story.
@cengime Its because of this fact that I think JFK was murdered. He obviously was a man that believed in freedom and was outspoken against secret societies which he admitted were prevalent in his time I think the most important part of this discussion is to think about what would people gain from killing a man like JFK? Whenever I embrace something deemed a mere conspiracy this is always my focus Always question why, and eventually the answer is shown clear however muttled it may be at first
@GoldenGram1993KB Well he tried to do what Lincoln did before he got killed. Issue interest-free money, which means the Federal Reserve would become redundant. The bankers can't allow that to happen.
@GoldenGram1993KB The reason Oswald died is the same reason Kennedy died: one nut with a grievance against him got close enough with a gun. The only reason Ruby was in the area was that he had to go to the post office because Karen Carlin had phoned asking him to send her $25. If Oswald himself hadn't asked the police to get him a sweater, he would have left a few minutes earlier and Ruby never would have had the opportunity.
@cengime so your saying its just a coincidence he was in the area, had a gun, was dressed as media and he was involved with the mafia? some imagination you have
@GoldenGram1993KB Also, while I certainly understand why you would be willing to discount testimony if you're looking at it from a conspiracy angle (though I think it gets a little silly when people begin to discount ALL the testimony), I would like to know who you heard described Oswald as a poor shot. My assumption is that you heard in JFK, or from someone who had seen JFK, that he was a "mediocre shot at best" and took it at face value, but I would love to know the original source of this.
@jaajulez619 Watch the Zapruder film again. There is clearly a gap of five or six seconds between the second shot, which hits Kennedy in the upper chest while he is behind the Stemmons Freeway sign, and the third shot, which hits his head. We can tell when the first shot was because we see Connally react to it. All told, Oswald had about 8.4 seconds to fire the shots, and the FBI's best shooter did it in 4.45 seconds. The worst time was 8.25 seconds. Totally feasible.
@cengime Remember Once Again There are a Million Other Suggestion of shooters and i doubt oswalds the real shooter . and sorry for ur misunderstanding i meant the 1st and 2nd shot
@jaajulez619 If Oswald didn't do it, why did he bring his rifle with him to work? It's pretty clear that he did from the testimony of Wes Frazier (who gave Oswald a ride to work that morning), Michael and Ruth Paine (friends of the Oswalds), Arthur and Gladys Johnson (Oswald's landlady), Marina Oswald (his wife), J. W. Fritz, and John Fain (police officers). Oswald brought a long paper bag that he claimed contained curtain rods, and his rifle was in it. He told police he'd only brought lunch.
@cengimeDeputy Sheriff Eugene Boone and Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman both initially identified the rifle found in the Dallas School Book Depository as a 7.65 Mauser. Weitzman signed an affidavit the following day describing the weapon as a "7.65 Mauser bolt action equipped with a 4/18 scope, a thick leather brownish-black sling on it.
@jaajulez619 Yes, Weitzman said that "in a glance" the rifle looked like a Mauser. There's a photo in the seminal pro-conspiracy book Six Seconds in Dallas (1967) showing a Carcano next to a Mauser, and if you pick it up, I think you'll agree that one could easily mistake one for the other. Whatever the police said, though, Tom Alyea was there photographing the recovery of the rifle, and the rifle in the pictures is unquestionably a Carcano, with a distinctive mark identifying it as Oswald's.
@cengimeParaffin tests conducted on Lee Harvey Oswald were negative on his face, which meant Oswald had not fired a rifle that day. The FBI submitted the paraffin tests to the Atomic Energy Commission’s facilities in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, where Dr. Frank Dyer and Dr. Juel Emery tested them using neutron activation analysis. They concluded that the cheek testing could not be specifically associated with a rifle, therefore exonerating Lee Harvey Oswald.
@jaajulez619 Paraffin tests were known at the time to be unreliable, as Cortlandt Cunningham testified. And if they are reliable and what all forensics textbooks say is just part of the massive cover-up, isn't the positive paraffin test on Oswald's hand proof that he fired the revolver that killed J.D. Tippit? Why did he shoot that police officer if he was innocent?
@cengime He was what's known as a patsy. He was there to take the blame. The typical lone nut assassin. Useless at everything else, but amazing with a piece of shit rifle.
I've seen the tests. You can't pull off the amount of shots in the time frame they claim. And let me guess. You're a professional marksman who knows everything about this gun. You probably even helped design it. Funny how I also run into experts. Video of Jesse Ventura trying to duplicate Oswald's shooting sequence: /watch?v=qSWSgcuYqDo - It's not possible I'm afraid.
Anyway we have a deathbed confession here. No more crap from shills.
@RustyL121 Ronald Simmons testified about reenactments establishing that it was possible for Oswald to get the shots off. You can read about it in my comments from last week.
Hunt doesn't confess to anything in this tape. I certainly see how you can read it that way if you believe there was a conspiracy, but there is no context to establish what he's talking about. It sounds like he's dictating his memoirs.
Even if he did say he did it, there's no corroborating evidence.
@cengime I don't care what he testified. I see it with my own eyes that it isn't possible and you will never show me anything that will make me not trust my own eyes. Period.
He clearly confesses and only a shill or a government suck up would say otherwise. I feel sorry for you. You probably still think the EU is a "conspiracy theory." Because that's what people said 25 years ago. Now look.
There's enough evidence sir. Zepruder film shows it clearly. But I guess you like the magic bullet shit.
@RustyL121 What I see in the film is Connally turning around upon hearing the shot that missed, JFK emerging from behind the freeway sign already hit, and a shot exploding JFK's head with most of the brain matter going forward. The autopsy photos show that JFK was shot from the back. I used to be skeptical, but the evidence is damning. Two shots from the Depository caused the wounds in JFK and Connally, and if you find that implausible, it's because of your own unfamiliarity with ballistics.
@cengime You are blinded by your ignorance. Since you don't trust your eyes, there's no communicating with you.
Isn’t it strange how countless witnesses died mysteriously? But Bill Newman did survive to tell his story. He said the shot came from “directly behind” him, from the Grassy Knolls. He was 10-15 ft away from the fatal headshot and the warren commission NEVER EVEN CALLED HIM TO HAVE HIM TESTIFY. I wonder why.
Gerald Ford admitted he changed the description of JFKs wounds to fit story.
@cengime Since you don't trust your eyes, there is no communicating with you.
Isn't it strange how countless witnesses died mysteriously? But Bill Newman survived to tell his story. He said that the fatal shot came from "directly behind" him, from the Grassy Knolls. He was 10-15 ft away from the fatal head shot and the Warren Commission NEVER EVEN CONTACTED HIM TO TESTIFY.
Gerald Ford also admitted that he changed the description of JFKs wounds to fit the story. He then wound up President.
@RustyL121 No, I don't think those mysterious deaths are mysterious if you look at them closely. If somebody really were cleaning up witnesses, you have to wonder why conspiracy witnesses and theorists like Jean Hill, Beverly Oliver, Bill Newman, Malcolm Summers, Charles Crenshaw, Mark Lane, David Lifton, and Josiah Thompson are still alive or died in old age after long illnesses. Besides, it wouldn't make much sense to send out a cleanup squad as every member would then have to be cleaned up.
@cengime Sir, I don't know what you're talking about. Are you saying that any witness who doesn't agree with the "official" crap is a "conspiracy theorist?" If you are that's extremely scary. The guy was 15 ft away from the murder and the Warren Commission didn't even contact him for a testimony. Do you not think that's strange?
@RustyL121 Like many relatively unimportant witnesses, Bill Newman was interviewed by the FBI rather than being asked to testify in person. Their report is on the record.
@cengime "Unimportant????" That just shows your bias position. You are a sly, sly person. How can you call it "unimportant" when he was 15ft away from the murder? You truly are ridiculous. You’ve just shown to everybody how blind and unwilling to think critically you are. It could also be that you're here to give this kind of crap to people. If your IP was available it may well be shown coming from a CFR office or something similar.
He was interviewed by FBI and the IGNORED by the commission.
@RustyL121 So what? It's not like what Bill Newman had to say was all that explosive. If you are willing to assume that there are dozens more witnesses out there that the Warren Commission and HSCA ignored, what does it matter what any witness said anyway? The physical evidence clearly points to shots from the Book Depository, where, incidentally, Lee Harvey Oswald was spending his lunch alone after bringing his rifle to work that morning.
@cengime You are a disgusting creature. Of course it's explosive. He said the fatal shot came from behind him. How dare you try to deceive people? It matters because they saw what happened. I know you think you know everything and you’re a youtube academic but you have no idea what you're talking about.
The physical evidence show back and to the left. Indicating the fatal show came from the Grassy Knolls. End of story.
I have no interest in your views anymore. You've exposed yourself.
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This is absurd. If Hunt had this knowledge, why did he go to prison for a petty breakin done at the behest of another President? Wouldn't his information have bought him a "Get out of jail" card? More to the point, if E. Howard Hunt had intimate knowledge of a conspiracy to assassinate JFK, he would have never lived to talk about it as a decrepid old man pumped up on morphine. Lee Harvey Oswald killed 2 people. I wonder how many Mr. Hunt killed in his cloak and dagger days.
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lsmith869 1 month ago
@lsmith869 Speaking of morons, then its correct to assume that you never watch the televised LBJ interview after he was out of office. In his own words he was clearly fed-up with the war and war protesters. He said, and I quote "..there wasn't one damn night that that phone next to my bed didn't ring. When it would I'd go nuts first wondering if we were under attack or one of our ships had run someone down." Is that clear enough for you that LBJ wanted out?
henrynevins 1 month ago
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lsmith869 1 month ago
@lsmith869 Its just your opinion, one that's bazzar, it assumes what's in LBJ's head. LBJ had the motive, means, mob contacts and follow up to divert and whitewash the assination. Because he later got fed up with protesters and a hopeless war has nothing to do with anything. Nixon had backbone to take the hopeless mess, GIs dying daily, and end JFKs and LBJs Viet mess, plus got the protesters and hate in spades. He ended the war, but after resigning Congress let the VC back to kill civilians.
henrynevins 1 month ago
@lsmith869 "YOU'RE" point is bullshit on it's face. There's a four year time span between when LBJ took the oath of office and then became fed-up with the crap of Vietnam left to him by JFK. This is an obvious "DUH?' moment for you isn't it? Libs like you are always ignorant of history and facts. Always assuming bullshit, with lock-step opinionated liberal spin based on pure bullshit. Don't you people read anything more than text written in crayon or what some Dem tells you to think?
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lsmith869 1 month ago
@lsmith869 Born in '62? Yeah right, you were still sucking on a tit so what the hell do you remember about JFK, LBJ or "the mood". I was walking around, driving a car, waiting for when my lottery number for the draft to be called for my turn in Nam. Your the jackass and clueless infantile skull full of mush.
henrynevins 1 month ago
Bottom line, JFK gave the go-ahead and then chickened out at the eleventh hour that resulted in Castro executing hundreds of Cubans uprisers. So what's your point? Shouldn't Kennedy have verified his intel before opening his mouth? JFK should never have been assassinated, had he lived out his term he would have proven to the world what in inept, pompous, inexperienced, spoiled rich brat he and RFK really were. He also got the US started in Vietnam. What an F'up. Sounds a lot like Obama today.
henrynevins 2 months ago
@henrynevins Big claims, any sources/links to JFK starting the Vietnam war? Lol, just curious where you could possibly be coming from.
Jdawg0492 1 month ago
@Jdawg0492 Are you for real? I'm not going to do your homework for you if your that ignorant. Have you been living in a cave? Just put on the History Channel some time. or there's even a YouTube clip of LBJ saying "...I didn't create this war. And you know who did". Don't know about you, but I lived through the JFK years and his bungling of things was obvious. He wasn't the beloved genius that Lib/Dems romanticize about today. The Kennedys weren't Camelot, White trash is more accurate.
henrynevins 1 month ago
the Warren Commision knows that the we would find all who was responsible. And we can rest assure that the Warren Commision would capitalize from the freedom from the execution of JFK. And the American People wouldnt give their grandchildren hell for their corrupted famalies. Its a Private Pedigree Privacy Hush, hush, bullshit! But, it makes sense?
vromanator74 3 months ago
Does no one ask why has the "Warren Commission" sealed the record for the next 50 years? Because it contains nothing damning or incriminating?
Surely none of us are so foolish as to believe that.
drreedindeed 4 months ago
"I could tell you more but even now they would slaughter my entire family out of existence if I did."
tiberias111 4 months ago
Why do you think the government won't reveal what happened on or around 12:25 P.M. Nov. 22, 1963. It was a coup d'etat. Pure and simple. They want all the conspirators to be dead and gone before anyone knows he real truth. Goerge "daddy" bush was in Dallas that day (do your own research into this evil family) So many other "coincidences" of that fateful day and that bloody murder scream to us today down the years from 1963 to today for vengeance. Why do you think so many you-tuber won't let it g
bheadh 4 months ago
You cant trust shit you heard on coast to coast, everyone knows that.
kdj997 5 months ago
@kdj997 Everyone knows that? Don't start up some propaganda. That's a personal belief. Don't be stupid now. Too late I'm sure actually........
MrCrazyKool 5 months ago
That was the most cryptic and anti-climactic confession in history. Hunt, on his death bed, seems to be saying: "I could tell you more, but my life would be in danger."
elvisworldwide 5 months ago
In Texas LBJ had a long reputation as a ruthless dirty politician. Might have known about the pending Mob hit, but wasn't involved and did nothing to interfere. JFK & RFK always behaved like spoiled rich punk kids. In senate hearings RFK belittled and taunted big Mob figures will snickering and childish remarks, they did the same to LBJ. JFK also lost Cuba to Castro by chickening out with US support resulting in the Bay of Pigs. The Mob then lost their Cuba casinos and millions. Motive enough?
henrynevins 5 months ago
@henrynevins You're ridiculous my friend. Of course RFK would belittle mobsters, theyre fucking mobsters. What president wouldnt. And you say JFK lost Cuba by chickening out? Youre laughable. Haven't you heard of the Cuban Missile Crisis? If JFK or any American president had invaded Cuba at that time the U.S. would have been hit with dozens of Soviet nuclear warheads that were stationed on Cuba. How uneducated are you? We were days away from nuclear war and you call JFK chicken for not invading?
butanerios 2 months ago
@butanerios I lived through that era Pal. If your so smart ever hear of the Bay of Pigs? No history of JFK can be written without noting his telling the Sandanista's "Hey, go ahead outest Castro and we'll back you up." Then at the 11th hour JFK chickened out, leaving all the Cuban rebels to be executed, its a 100% common known FACT. Castro had just over thrown the govt, the missiles came later. Had JFK acted first there wouldn't have been a Cuban Missile Crisis. Your laughable, plus ignorant.
henrynevins 2 months ago
@henrynevins If you lived through that era you should know that the Bay of Pigs operation was hatched during the Eisenhower Administration. Kennedy reluctantly went along because he was assured by "trusted" advisors (like CIA's Allen Dulles) that the invasion would succeed with concurrent uprising by the Cuban people, that any failure at the beachead could be followed by brigade members taking refuge in the mountain ranges, & U.S involvement would be kept secret. None proved valid. CIA's fiasco.
jmurphy778 2 months ago
An Italian News team aired a documentary years ago on PBS which clearly showed that the Mob had the best motive to kill JFK. In Chicago and Texas the Mob as a favor to JFK's father (the father made his millions by boot-legging whiskey with the Mob during Prohibition) got his son elected with voter fraud. Once elected JFK & RFK betrayed the Mob. They brought in 3 hit men from Europe that came in via Canada. They were in the grassy knoll dressed as cops. Oswald was the Mob's planned fall guy.
henrynevins 5 months ago
All I hear from Hunt is a bunch of rambling. Why not just get to the point if you want it known? I wouldn't believe anything he says.
OzzyFan87 6 months ago
@OzzyFan87 I thought the same thing
MrMrMoto 6 months ago
at 1:08 in the video , the (unintelligible) speech is "parenth" or "parent", meaning parenthesis, or quote/end quote.
yewutube 6 months ago 4
I don't believe that President Johnson had anything to do with the assassination , I believe that he knew who the killers were , but he was afraid to tell us , and he took that information to the grave with him . Hunt was an old CIA chief , I don't believe anything he had to say .
somekindaperv 6 months ago
And as for witness deaths...the Conspiracy side should never overstate the case as that is not required to make the argument. If one or two or five witnesses died in unusual circumstances (and they certainly did), that would seem a large enough number of murder(s) to raise concern.
37newt 7 months ago
The shots are difficult. The 2nd and 3rd shots, as envisioned by the Warren Commission, would have to have been "minute of arc" shooting. The rifle certainly can be assembled quickly and easily. But it is unlikely that Oswald's rifle would have held its zero through dis-assembly, transport, and reassembly. It just was not that kind of weapon (and very few rifles are). We know the FBI had to shim the rear mount of the scope on Oswald's rifle to even begin to sight it. And on and on.
37newt 7 months ago
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@Zipperhedd And you call me a troll?
cengime 7 months ago 2
@Zipperhedd Don't change the subject. According to you, the deaths of "all the witnesses called before the Warren Commission" are THE crucial piece of evidence in the case, and I shouldn't reply to you unless I have a good explanation for them, but you have yet to name any people who "were killed or died under mysterious circumstances." Only Gerald Ford, who died under very un-mysterious circumstances at the age of 93. So who died mysteriously?
cengime 7 months ago
@cengime The following material witnesses died in the three year period after the assassination: Karyn Kupcinet, Jack Zangretti, Eddy Benavides, Betty McDonald, Bill Chesher, Hank Killam, Bill Hunter, Gary Underhill, Hugh Ward, DeLesseps Morrison, Teresa Norton, Guy Banister, Jim Koethe, CD Jackson, Mary Pinchot, Paul Mandel, Tom Howard, Maurice Gatlin, Mona Saenz, David Goldstein, Rose Cherami, Dorothy Killgallen, Mrs Earl Smith, William Whaley, Judge Joe Brown, Karen Carlin (continued)
deweycheethamandhowe 7 months ago
@deweycheethamandhowe First of all, Carlin and Norton are the same person, and in 1978, the Congressional Research Service was unable to turn up evidence that she had died at all.
cengime 7 months ago
@deweycheethamandhowe I don't see how you could consider the deaths by natural causes of Chesher, Banister, Jackson, Mandel, Howard, Goldstein, Smith, Brown, Martin, and Levens suspicious, and I do not think the evidence supports claims that Kupcinet, Zangetty, Benavides, McDonald, Killam, Hunter, Underhill, Ward, Morrison, Koethe, Pinchot, Gatlin, Saenz, Kilgallen, Bogard, Walle, Pitzer, Whaley, Cheramie, Bowers, or Worrell knew anything about the assassination that would have to be covered up.
cengime 7 months ago
@cengime Albert Bogard, Capt Frank Martin, Lee Bowers, Marilyn Walle, Lt William Pitzer, Jimmy Levens, James Worrell Jr. That is just in the first three years. The deaths conveniently spike during the Garrison trial and the HSCA. But I guess that is all just coincidence.
deweycheethamandhowe 7 months ago
@deweycheethamandhowe Out of all the people who would have made this list if they had died, most stayed alive. It would be surprising if some people didn't die violently in such a large sample. I mean, you have Benavides on here just because his brother witnessed the murder of Tippit. Just how large does this list grow when you include not only everybody tangentially connected to the assassination, but their entire families?
cengime 7 months ago
@Zipperhedd That's really the best you have? People try to kill presidents all the time (FDR, Truman, Kennedy [more than once!], Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush all faced attempts on their lives), so there's really nothing unusual about that. But which of the two nuts who took a shot at Ford do you think is in on the Kennedy assassination?
cengime 7 months ago
@Zipperhedd You demand an explanation for all the mysterious deaths, but you can't name one? I know crackpots are always more comfortable asking questions than answering them, but name one, will you? Just one really important witness who died in a really suspicious way.
cengime 7 months ago
@Zipperhedd Ba-zing!
Now, you keep talking about witnesses who died under mysterious circumstances. What witnesses? What circumstances?
cengime 7 months ago
@Zipperhedd Oh yes, there's no better place to work than the CIA. Until I get assassinated for knowing too much.
cengime 7 months ago
@Zipperhedd I'm a shill. The CIA pays me to comment on YouTube videos all day.
cengime 7 months ago
@Zipperhedd What evidence is there that any of these alleged murder victims knew something compromising the alleged conspiracy that they hadn't already revealed? You can't assume that there was a conspiracy and that they therefore must have been murdered to keep them quiet, then use that as evidence of a conspiracy. And wouldn't a squad of assassins cleaning up the witnesses complicate things? Each assassin recruited is another person with knowledge of the conspiracy who needs to be cleaned up.
cengime 7 months ago
@Zipperhedd Keep in mind that the list of assassination-related people conspiracy authors draw their mysterious deaths from is huge. It includes everyone who was in and around Dealey Plaza, every reporter who covered the assassination, every law enforcement officer who worked on the case, everyone on the White House staff, everyone who knew Clay Shaw, it goes on and on. And Marrs lists people who died as late as 1984. OF COURSE a bunch of those people died within 20 years.
cengime 7 months ago
@Zipperhedd Well, which "mystery deaths" are you interested in? Do you want an individual explanation for each of the 103 listed by Jim Marrs? Or, like you said before, all of the 94 witnesses called before the Warren Commission? Why should I go to that effort when you already read about the HSCA's investigation of this issue in volume 4 of their report?
cengime 7 months ago
@Zipperhedd Oh, and I want to know before we begin: have you read the Warren Report and/or the HSCA Report?
cengime 7 months ago
@Zipperhedd Excuse me, ALL of the Warren Commission's witnesses died under mysterious circumstances? You care to back up that outrageous claim? Star conspiracy witnesses Malcolm Summers, Ed Hoffman, and Jean Hill died in old age of natural causes decades after having told their story.
cengime 7 months ago
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As the tape reveals, JFK was murdered by fanatical Cold Warriors in the Pentagon and the CIA who were bitter that JFK would not authorize a full scale invasion of Cuba. When the Texas hick Lyndon Johnson assumed the presidency, he appeased the war hawks, not by invading Cuba, but by escalating another war that the right-wing fanatics wanted -- the war in Vietnam.
mtracy9 8 months ago 3
Hunt's last statements regarding LBJ's motives make sense. The Democratic Party would certainly have nominated JFK for a second term in 1964, which means that the very earliest LBJ could have hoped to become President was 1969. By that time he would have been 60 years old. However, his own father had died at age 58, and his grandfather hadn't lived even that long. LBJ may have figured he couldn't afford to wait and just decided to have Kenndey rubbed out.
evergreenpotato 8 months ago
bullshit
dman1311974 9 months ago
@dman1311974 What is bullshit?
DannyBruiz 8 months ago
@ 1:03 the written transcript reads "...Meyer as an opportunist (unintelligible) like himself (unintelligible) "
The "unintelligible" word is "paren," which is shorthand for "parentheses."
rumrunner777 10 months ago
It's pretty obvious that you're not going to give any serious consideration to my arguments, so I don't see the point in having this discussion where nobody who was actually interested could see it.
"Many people, I imagine, could attain wisdom if they were not convinced they already had it." - Seneca
cengime 1 year ago
Haha they might as well live in a trailer.
SeventhSun 1 year ago
@jaajulez619 There are also the eyewitnesses who saw Oswald in that window with his rifle: Howard Leslie Brennan (who positively identified Oswald as the man he saw fire the shots), Amos Lee Euins (who also saw a man firing and pointed out the window to police immediately after the assassination), Arnold Rowland, Robert Fischer, and Robert Edwin Edwards.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime You Cant "identify" a man six sotries up in a window that well . Yes everyone knew there was a man firing but can they identify that exact man?
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@jaajulez619 I don't know if I could identify a man I saw from six stories below, but Brennan testified that he got a good look at the man in the window several times and later picked Oswald out of a lineup as most closely resembling the man he saw with the rifle. With all this other evidence pointing right to Oswald, I have to take it as yet more confirmation of his guilt.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime im not going all deep conspiricy on you here . but warren commision made alot of lie, mistakes and destroyed evidence . you prove a good point but you never know .
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@jaajulez619
I can very clearly identify my mistress from my wife six floors up from the window.
SeventhSun 1 year ago
@SeventhSun Depends From The Postition .
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@jaajulez619
Critical preservation and survival skills, don't mind me.
SeventhSun 1 year ago
@SeventhSun what
jaajulez619 1 year ago
E. Howard Hunt? More like C. Coward Cunt.
redcomic619 1 year ago
@redcomic619 Chlorophyll? More like, Borophyl! Am i Right?! :P
Poonard 1 year ago
Beware of the great possibility that Hunt's "confession" is no more than a classic ploy to divert attention away from the real plotters,Some of the people he mentions were probably involved as was Hunt himself,but the Cord Meyer part is Bullshit,JFK met his wife,that is all,there is no evidence of an affair,period.Hunt was company to the last and he served his masters well,HELMS IS NOT MENTIONED!!!!The Blame is placed on LBJ,LBJ was a servant of the real power elite,not a string puller.THINK!
thomasg74 1 year ago
This guy is bullshit trying to make a name for himself or impress his son.He was a professional liar for a living.SOunds like a made up novel to me. I can make stories up with people I worked with too.He also didnt disclose any facts about the mysteries of the shootings.Like how many shots were fired and the real positions of the shooters.If he was in the loop than he would of known these details.I think everyone wants to know if the Badge man was a real man.This guy is full of shit.
castersen13 1 year ago
@castersen13 ,Hunt was Human Garbage.I believe there are two conclusions we can take from this episode.
1;This is deliberate disinfo from Hunt to divert attention away from Helms and Walters and placing it rediculously on a no body Cord Meyer as a result of a fabricated ,CIA originated lie about a JFK affair with this guys wife.
2;This is an attempt by Hunt to provide a Source of revenue for his son through Books and Movies to make up for his absence as a father,a sort of nest feathering.
thomasg74 1 year ago
May GOD help the nixon menI WONT!!!I NEVER FORGAVENEVER FORGOT
tim22ism 1 year ago
after two years resurching this is the truth
cullinane8888 1 year ago
I believe Lucien Sarti is the knoll shooter. Hunt would give that up. The rest is covering up his CIA stuff. His wife died in a plane crash with blackmail money. I have seen pictures of the Cubans and they match in Dallas. 1 in the upper back. 1 hits Tague. "Magic Bullet" hits both? Final killing shot. That's 4. Not 3. CiA anti-Castro set-up to start invasion of Cuba. And then war with Russia. Thank you Mr. Hunt. Idiot that was so dissapointed that the crazy JFK/RFK invasion fell apart.
mark54db 2 years ago
@mark54db , Some more input/names to look up...
Frank Sturgis, Michel Victor Mertz.
BTW, there was 8 shots counted including the pavement and the Windshield.
1tonykirk 1 year ago
Google E Howard Hunt Deathbed Confession and read the Rolling Stone article. He goes into slightly more detail. Hunt was a pro-spook and disinformation trained operator so anything he says is suspect. Maybe this confession was his last job for CIA. He was a spy novelist and good bullshitter as part of his profession. He never mentions his dropping some Cubans off in Dallas the day before so who knows how true this confession is?
Exiles800 2 years ago
@Exiles800 You know who a lot of these guys remind me of? Hunter S. Thompson.....CIA types that is.
Poonard 1 year ago
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1famekouby 1 year ago
@1famekouby are you deliberately an asshole to strangers? I said reminds me off.
Poonard 1 year ago
@Poonard *of that's probably because both subjected themselves to a very very dramatic life chock full of action and insane situations. Reminds me of doesn't imply that I think he is something. HST did in fact, however, have lots of friends in high places.
Poonard 1 year ago
@Poonard ok, sorry, didn't read you right. again, sorry, my bad.
1famekouby 1 year ago
@Poonard Jumping in here, with a comment, if ya don't mind. I just wanted to say that you are not alone in seeing Hunter S. Thompson as a good character model for a CIA agent, or at least a Secret Agent of some sort. In fact if you have ever seen Cartoon Network's The Venture Bros. (which isnt a kids cartoon btw) they have a charactor named Colonel Hunter Gathers that is part of the "OSI" secret agency that is unashamedly based entirely on Hunter S Thompson....Funny stuff too, worth a look C
frankensteinmoneymac 1 year ago
Look up "E. Howard Hunt trial Liberty Lobby Mark Lane". Hunt was found guilty of being involved in JFK's murder.
nomorenarcissism 2 years ago 4
@nomorenarcissism actually that was a civil case where Hunt was the prosecution. And, he lost because no malice could be demonstrated.
j4kp07 1 year ago
@j4kp07 NO, Hunt was unable to prove he was NOT in Dallas. Read Lane's book "Plausible Denial" or contact him directly.
nomorenarcissism 1 year ago
i have serious problems buying that oswald alone killed jfk, but wtf is the old coot trying to prove? he just goes on and on with totally personal speculation and musings about what people might have done and what connections they may have had, alone with his guesses as to what their motives may have been. he offers no facts, no evidence, and not even the claim that he heard anyone talk about killing jfk. seems to be an old fart that wanted some attention.
slyjokerg 2 years ago
he's giving names and connections not the whole picture if interested its up to you to connect the dots. JFK knew he was messing with something big and dark. Certainly he had to consider him being killed, i dont know, he was kinda cocky. Maybe he tought no one would be so bold. And no, no lone nut did the job, it was triangulated crossfire, too many witnesses reported that.
wanshei 2 years ago
there is no evidence that triangulated crossfire was a reality. pure speculation. nothing this old fuck says in this video is evidence of anything. it is hard to fathom, knowing everything that did happen... that simply oswald killed kennedy, and that's it, but the things hunt says provides nothing.
slyjokerg 2 years ago
There is no evidence that Oswald killed JFK. He was never convicted in court and therefore remains innocent.
constcrepe 2 years ago 6
that is a ridiculous comment const. there is a ton of evidence that oswald did it. it doesn't make it true that he did, or that he did it alone. don't be blind. keep your mind and eyes and ears open.
slyjokerg 2 years ago
A ton of evidence! Don't make me laugh. If it had went to court he would have walked. You may think he was guilty but innocent UNTIL proven.
constcrepe 2 years ago 2
if it had GONE to court. try learning a little english. it might help your credibility. your claims about what would have happened are simply your musings kiddo. we will never know, because it was never truly investigated, which was the whole point.
slyjokerg 2 years ago
Wow I'm taking English lessons from an American! I guess that's how strong your argument is you have to resort to a personal insult.
constcrepe 2 years ago
my nationality has nothing to do with your inability to use the proper tense of a word. i'm not sure what the personal insult was, other than to imply that you are at best lacking in education in english. the strength of argument has clearer been conveyed previously. your subjective conclusions about the jfk assassination are not fact, which i pointed out. if you don't like that, that's your problem kiddo. and it's not guilty until proven guilty. juries find people "not guilty", NOT innocent.
slyjokerg 2 years ago
Since you are on a "proper English" kick, try to wear this shoe to see if it fits. Sentences begin with capital letters. Also, in the United States of America, it is innocent until proven guilty. It's not the other way around. It is the duty of the State to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that one is guilty. You have the right to remain silent, they have to prove their case. That, of course, is theory.
dahozabich 2 years ago
please kid. the omission of capital letters is obviously intentional.. knowingly done. spelling and the use of proper wording is completely different. i have no idea of what you point is supposed to be. when did i say that someone is not innocent until proven guilty? when did i say that someone didn't have the right ot remain silent? what was your inane rant supposed to accomplish? about what were you talking?
slyjokerg 2 years ago
@constcrepe Have you read the Warren Commission Report? If Oswald had lived, there was enough evidence to kill him.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime I have read the Warren Report. Totally joke. It began with a conclusion and then worked carefully to ensure that the available facts fitted the pre-ordained determination. The HSCA even said 'The Warren Commission failed to investigate adequately the possibility of a conspiracy to assassinate the President.'
You believe the Warren Report then you are a fool.
constcrepe 1 year ago
@constcrepe You should read the HSCA's report too, because it largely vindicates the Warren Commission. I say "largely" because they believed the "acoustic evidence" stuff which was later debunked by the National Research Council's Committee on Ballistic Acoustics and by independent research at IBM. I would be happy to debunk any conspiracy canard you care to bring up.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime So you believe the Nazi Supporters at IBM? Good for you then. The basic logic still stands. No way in hell could Oswald of been able to get off three shots was it? Within 9 seconds and be that accurate when he was described as a poor shot..... Funny how we see parallels today with the 9/11 Hijackers who were described as terrible pilots, yet they were capable of preforming such difficult maneuvers that their instructors were shocked to hear of
GoldenGram1993KB 1 year ago
@GoldenGram1993KB I've listened to the tape for myself, and you can hear with the naked ear evidence that establishes it was recorded minutes after the assassination, far too late for the "acoustic impulses" to be shots. As for Oswald's timing and accuracy, Major Eugene D. Anderson testified that judging by Oswald's training records, "Oswald had full capabilities to make this shot." Read the testimony of Ronald Simmons; FBI shooters with Oswald's rifle could get the shots off in under 8 seconds.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Does it not seem fishy to you that in the height of the Cold War the U.S. allowed a potential traitor back into the country... Oswald was actually allowed back into the country after going to Russia. That's just unheard of. Speaking to the testimony, He said Oswald was capable.... I think that the same people that killed Oswald probably had this Eugene D. Anderson in their pocket. Also, why would Oswald be killed SO soon after the shooting, before he had a chance to take a stand?
GoldenGram1993KB 1 year ago
@GoldenGram1993KB No, it doesn't. As he was still a U.S. citizen and the State Department determined that he had not performed an expatriating act, I am not surprised that he was allowed to enter the U.S. Appendix 15 of the Warren Commission Report details the bureaucratic process Oswald went through to come back.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime No , He Became a Russian Citizen and it was beleived he helped russians track down an intel plane , so treason was in the air , ALSO he took back his full blood Russian wife, she wasent interveiwed talked to or anything both of them let in like nothing
watch JFK and read up on Oswalds history
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@jaajulez619 Oswald did not become a Russian citizen. They were just going to make him leave when his visa expired, but he committed suicide, and the Russians felt so sorry for him that they let him stay and gave him a job. The KGB never debriefed Oswald. If he'd given them that kind of information, they would have said so, because it would have been evidence of a conspiracy that would have been embarrassing to the U.S. government. Evidence to the contrary has not turned up since the USSR fell.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Suicide? Did Yo u Misspell something he didnt kill himslef
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@jaajulez619 Sorry, I should have written ATTEMPTED suicide, on October 21, 1959. Oswald wrote in his diary that he was going to end it all and slit his wrist.
cengime 1 year ago
@jaajulez619 Read Appendix 15 of the Warren Commission Report.
Yes, it's a coincidence, since he wouldn't have been in the area if Karen Carlin hadn't asked him to send her money. Jack Ruby regularly dressed like that and carried a gun. The idea that Ruby had Mob connections is pure fantasy. You would know that if you had read Appendix 16 of the Warren Commission Report.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Ok For 1 , Fantasy? haha everyone KNEW he had connections with the mob , and Warren commision fucked up their details , destroyed evidence so much that i woudnt trust a word they say
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@cengime The Warren Commission said... The Warren Commission did about a good of a job investigating the murder as the 9/11 commission report did. While I take this from the movie JFK, they actually had a Magic Bullet Theory? That seems to me to be absolutely ridiculous and if the official story actually boasted that theory what the hell can we actually believe from them. Also, I don't buy that a potential defector got into the US that easy, there had to be strings attached and Oswald was used.
GoldenGram1993KB 1 year ago
@GoldenGram1993KB Agreed .
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@GoldenGram1993KB The idea that the Warren Commission's theory required the second bullet to change direction is based on misconceptions about the seating arrangement. It was a straight line.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Then theres the fact that JFK obviously was shot from the front.... I dont know how youd dispute that cuz the physics of it say Lee was behind him, yet his head jolted backward.. I'm not expecting to convince you although this is a very healthy and respectable debate, but I will say this Governments lie to its citizens To deny that is nothing but ignorant. JFK was in my opinion a great man and I'm very sad that he died because he was one of few presidents to stand up to the bureaucrats
GoldenGram1993KB 1 year ago
@GoldenGram1993KB i agree with you COMPLETELY .
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@GoldenGram1993KB Kennedy's head was pushed backwards by the large quantity of brain matter flying forward. You can observe this effect if you shoot a cantaloupe or something with a rifle.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Is that a fucking joke? Now I guess when your shot in the back of your head your head goes backward, and if your shot from the front it goes forward. What kind of logic is that.... Please, and were the fucking conspiracy theorists cuz we know simple laws of physics.
GoldenGram1993KB 1 year ago
@GoldenGram1993KB Science often leads us to counterintuitive conclusions. Read Dr. Alvarez's paper and you will see why the physics are not as simple as you think.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime So Your Saying , its impossible to shoot someone from the front and have their head go back . and it just so happens that many in the plaza that day heard a shot from the knoll . AND the entering and exiting wounds just so happen to be more likely from that vantage point . now we can sort of beleive the lone gunman theory we know its possible . but our theory is just as possible . even without all the evidence toward it .
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@jaajulez619 I don't think there's reasonable doubt at all. Oswald had a rifle with him when Wes Frazier gave him a ride to work, and two witnesses saw him in the act of firing from that window. The overwhelming majority of the people in Dealey Plaza thought they heard three shots (with the greater part of the minority reporting less), and most thought they came from the direction of the Book Depository. Two of his shots explain all of the wounds, and no additional rounds were discovered.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime a witness said he saw and heard gunfire from the knoll wen he was on a roof overlooking the plaza and there was a witness who originally stated he saw 2 men on the sixth floor , and thats fa rfrom the truth . there where many differnt sayings on the gunfire some witnesses say there were as many as 8 . 2 or 3 witnesses saying there were 3 shots . None of them knew for sure . and now there WAS gunfire from the book depository no doubt . but i beleive there was also fire from the knoll .
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@jaajulez619 I don't dispute that some said that, but 56 witnesses reported shots from the direction of the Depository, 34 believed they came from the direction of the knoll, 8 who thought the shots came from somewhere else entirely, and only 5 witnesses who thought shots came from multiple directions. Some of these witnesses are wrong. In light of the other evidence, the majority seems to be correct. 77% of witnesses reported hearing only three shots, and again the evidence backs them up.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Obviously . according to theory there was only 1 to 2 shots / the rest were from the depository . and you dont know what type of gun the assasin in the knoll was using we have to assume it could have bin a much more quiet rifle if a rifle at all . your not properly exploring all the possiblilities .
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@jaajulez619 Arnold Rowland told the Warren Commission months later that he'd seen two men on the sixth floor of the Depository, but in his sworn affidavit and statements to law enforcement on the day of the assassination, he described seeing ONE man on the sixth floor with a rifle. Ruby Henderson immediately reported seeing two men on one of the upper floors, but since she described them as dark-skinned, it is likely she saw Harold Norman and Bonnie Ray Williams on the fifth floor.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime "Likely" . and stories can change . he might have rememberd something he might not of . assuming that if it wasnt oswald who was the shooter , they could have been the shooters . white black hispanic or a damn alien its possible
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@jaajulez619 Rowland's wife testified that he had remarked to her on seeing one man in the sixth floor window with a rifle and had said nothing about a second. I think LHO not being the shooter is an unreasonable assumption given all the other evidence.
There are other possibilities, but I think Occam's razor applies to them. The more you look at the evidence, the more you find that the alleged holes in the mainstream theory come to nothing. Thus, no particular reason to doubt it was LHO alone.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Oscams razor? That bullshit again? The more you look at real evidence the more Oswald never fired any gun at anybody. He was certainly a patsy. You should pull your cia infected head out of your boyfriends asshole. it is easy to know you lied about everything so far. You always lie.
oIdmac1 1 year ago
@oIdmac1 Have you read the last 12 pages of comments?
cengime 1 year ago
@oIdmac1 I take it you have never read the Warren Commission Report or the Report of the HSCA, or examined the mountains of evidence on which they are based. Oswald brought his rifle to work that morning, then multiple eyewitnesses saw him fire from a sixth floor window at Kennedy. When a police officer stopped him on account of his matching the description of the shooter, Oswald killed him. The man was guilty as sin, and there's not a jot of evidence for any other explanation.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime That mountain of evidence is all Hoover bullshit. It was Gay Edgar Hoover, the controlled gay queen, that fabricated all of the fiction against Oswald. Oswald never shot anyone from anywhere. It was not oswald on the backyard picture, a curtain rods was created after Oswald was assassinated.
The rifle, handgun, curtain rods, 6th floor sniper nest, phony name Hidell, magic bullets, only 3 shots, etc.; all manufactured lies.
I saw the Hoover-in-drag picture. He looks just like your daddy.
oIdmac1 1 year ago
@oIdmac1 If that mountain of evidence was all faked, it was faked with extraordinary skill, intelligence, and care. I would be happy to have such people running things behind the scenes. But if you think the FBI pulled that off, you must be willing to believe anything.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Apparently you are too stupid to understand what this video is telling you. Conspiracy !
It was not the FBI that pulled off the cover-up. It was queer boy Hoover. Former FBI & other fed agents are on video saying it. Hoover was a controlled fag in drag - pic on video. Most of the evidence was manufactured immediately after Oswald's death.
You can hear Hoover & his crime partner LBJ giving up the conspiracy in their own words on tape. Referring to "they"; not the lone assassin.
oIdmac1 1 year ago
@oIdmac1 Hoover must have been a real workaholic to fake all the evidence himself. How do you think the assassination happened?
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Since you stated you are happy with assholes running the world, then you labeled yourself an asshole.
oIdmac1 1 year ago
@oIdmac1 So do you have any reason for doubting the mainstream account of the assassination other than your weird fixation with homosexuality?
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime so do you have any reason to believe the government account of the conspiracy assassination other than your weird fixation with your moms rented dildo?
oIdmac1 1 year ago
@oIdmac1 What are you, 12?
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime What are you, besides a total asshole?
oIdmac1 1 year ago
@oIdmac1 Yeah, definitely 12 years old. I wasn't sure at first, I was thinking 14 years old at most, but I see I was right to go with 12.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Yeah, definitely a total asshole, I wasn't sure at first, I was thinking what else could he be while living in his moms basement, but I see I was right to go with you are total asshole.
oIdmac1 1 year ago
@oIdmac1 Go do your homework.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Put your moms rented dildo beck in her dresser drawer. Be sure you turned off the vibrator and wiped off your shit stain.
oIdmac1 1 year ago
@oIdmac1 @cengime both of you shut the fuck up, you're clearly not going anywhere with this. I just want to read the damn comments without your stupid fucking argument.
DelMonteOnSteroids 10 months ago 2
@GoldenGram1993KB If you're not willing to accept the many experiments with tape-reinforced melons as valid, Dr. John Lattimer achieved the effect shooting human skulls. You can find a somewhat morbid video of the experiment online.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime It's one thing to say that this theory could of been the reason in the JFK case, but with all of these questioning factors surrounding that day its hard to draw any conclusion than one differing from the official story.
GoldenGram1993KB 1 year ago
@cengime Its because of this fact that I think JFK was murdered. He obviously was a man that believed in freedom and was outspoken against secret societies which he admitted were prevalent in his time I think the most important part of this discussion is to think about what would people gain from killing a man like JFK? Whenever I embrace something deemed a mere conspiracy this is always my focus Always question why, and eventually the answer is shown clear however muttled it may be at first
GoldenGram1993KB 1 year ago
@GoldenGram1993KB Well he tried to do what Lincoln did before he got killed. Issue interest-free money, which means the Federal Reserve would become redundant. The bankers can't allow that to happen.
RustyL121 1 year ago
@GoldenGram1993KB The reason Oswald died is the same reason Kennedy died: one nut with a grievance against him got close enough with a gun. The only reason Ruby was in the area was that he had to go to the post office because Karen Carlin had phoned asking him to send her $25. If Oswald himself hadn't asked the police to get him a sweater, he would have left a few minutes earlier and Ruby never would have had the opportunity.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime so your saying its just a coincidence he was in the area, had a gun, was dressed as media and he was involved with the mafia? some imagination you have
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@GoldenGram1993KB Also, while I certainly understand why you would be willing to discount testimony if you're looking at it from a conspiracy angle (though I think it gets a little silly when people begin to discount ALL the testimony), I would like to know who you heard described Oswald as a poor shot. My assumption is that you heard in JFK, or from someone who had seen JFK, that he was a "mediocre shot at best" and took it at face value, but I would love to know the original source of this.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime 8 seconds? hahaa buddy , the timing was 3 seconds , FBI got it in 8 , their BEST shooter coudnt get it .
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@jaajulez619 Watch the Zapruder film again. There is clearly a gap of five or six seconds between the second shot, which hits Kennedy in the upper chest while he is behind the Stemmons Freeway sign, and the third shot, which hits his head. We can tell when the first shot was because we see Connally react to it. All told, Oswald had about 8.4 seconds to fire the shots, and the FBI's best shooter did it in 4.45 seconds. The worst time was 8.25 seconds. Totally feasible.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Remember Once Again There are a Million Other Suggestion of shooters and i doubt oswalds the real shooter . and sorry for ur misunderstanding i meant the 1st and 2nd shot
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@jaajulez619 If Oswald didn't do it, why did he bring his rifle with him to work? It's pretty clear that he did from the testimony of Wes Frazier (who gave Oswald a ride to work that morning), Michael and Ruth Paine (friends of the Oswalds), Arthur and Gladys Johnson (Oswald's landlady), Marina Oswald (his wife), J. W. Fritz, and John Fain (police officers). Oswald brought a long paper bag that he claimed contained curtain rods, and his rifle was in it. He told police he'd only brought lunch.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengimeDeputy Sheriff Eugene Boone and Deputy Constable Seymour Weitzman both initially identified the rifle found in the Dallas School Book Depository as a 7.65 Mauser. Weitzman signed an affidavit the following day describing the weapon as a "7.65 Mauser bolt action equipped with a 4/18 scope, a thick leather brownish-black sling on it.
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@jaajulez619 Yes, Weitzman said that "in a glance" the rifle looked like a Mauser. There's a photo in the seminal pro-conspiracy book Six Seconds in Dallas (1967) showing a Carcano next to a Mauser, and if you pick it up, I think you'll agree that one could easily mistake one for the other. Whatever the police said, though, Tom Alyea was there photographing the recovery of the rifle, and the rifle in the pictures is unquestionably a Carcano, with a distinctive mark identifying it as Oswald's.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime the gun was stamped Mauser on it . then suddenly it dosent have the stamp .
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@cengimeParaffin tests conducted on Lee Harvey Oswald were negative on his face, which meant Oswald had not fired a rifle that day. The FBI submitted the paraffin tests to the Atomic Energy Commission’s facilities in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, where Dr. Frank Dyer and Dr. Juel Emery tested them using neutron activation analysis. They concluded that the cheek testing could not be specifically associated with a rifle, therefore exonerating Lee Harvey Oswald.
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@jaajulez619 Paraffin tests were known at the time to be unreliable, as Cortlandt Cunningham testified. And if they are reliable and what all forensics textbooks say is just part of the massive cover-up, isn't the positive paraffin test on Oswald's hand proof that he fired the revolver that killed J.D. Tippit? Why did he shoot that police officer if he was innocent?
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime About 3 witnesses said there were 2 men who shot tippit .
jaajulez619 1 year ago
@cengime He was what's known as a patsy. He was there to take the blame. The typical lone nut assassin. Useless at everything else, but amazing with a piece of shit rifle.
RustyL121 1 year ago
@RustyL121 If Oswald was just a patsy, why was he celebrating Take Your Rifle to Work Day?
And you have obviously never owned or used a Carcano. Ask yourself: who told you it was a piece of shit, and why do you trust them?
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime The question is irrelevant.
I've seen the tests. You can't pull off the amount of shots in the time frame they claim. And let me guess. You're a professional marksman who knows everything about this gun. You probably even helped design it. Funny how I also run into experts. Video of Jesse Ventura trying to duplicate Oswald's shooting sequence: /watch?v=qSWSgcuYqDo - It's not possible I'm afraid.
Anyway we have a deathbed confession here. No more crap from shills.
RustyL121 1 year ago
@RustyL121 Ronald Simmons testified about reenactments establishing that it was possible for Oswald to get the shots off. You can read about it in my comments from last week.
Hunt doesn't confess to anything in this tape. I certainly see how you can read it that way if you believe there was a conspiracy, but there is no context to establish what he's talking about. It sounds like he's dictating his memoirs.
Even if he did say he did it, there's no corroborating evidence.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime I don't care what he testified. I see it with my own eyes that it isn't possible and you will never show me anything that will make me not trust my own eyes. Period.
He clearly confesses and only a shill or a government suck up would say otherwise. I feel sorry for you. You probably still think the EU is a "conspiracy theory." Because that's what people said 25 years ago. Now look.
There's enough evidence sir. Zepruder film shows it clearly. But I guess you like the magic bullet shit.
RustyL121 1 year ago
@RustyL121 What I see in the film is Connally turning around upon hearing the shot that missed, JFK emerging from behind the freeway sign already hit, and a shot exploding JFK's head with most of the brain matter going forward. The autopsy photos show that JFK was shot from the back. I used to be skeptical, but the evidence is damning. Two shots from the Depository caused the wounds in JFK and Connally, and if you find that implausible, it's because of your own unfamiliarity with ballistics.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime You are blinded by your ignorance. Since you don't trust your eyes, there's no communicating with you.
Isn’t it strange how countless witnesses died mysteriously? But Bill Newman did survive to tell his story. He said the shot came from “directly behind” him, from the Grassy Knolls. He was 10-15 ft away from the fatal headshot and the warren commission NEVER EVEN CALLED HIM TO HAVE HIM TESTIFY. I wonder why.
Gerald Ford admitted he changed the description of JFKs wounds to fit story.
RustyL121 1 year ago
@cengime Since you don't trust your eyes, there is no communicating with you.
Isn't it strange how countless witnesses died mysteriously? But Bill Newman survived to tell his story. He said that the fatal shot came from "directly behind" him, from the Grassy Knolls. He was 10-15 ft away from the fatal head shot and the Warren Commission NEVER EVEN CONTACTED HIM TO TESTIFY.
Gerald Ford also admitted that he changed the description of JFKs wounds to fit the story. He then wound up President.
RustyL121 1 year ago
@RustyL121 No, I don't think those mysterious deaths are mysterious if you look at them closely. If somebody really were cleaning up witnesses, you have to wonder why conspiracy witnesses and theorists like Jean Hill, Beverly Oliver, Bill Newman, Malcolm Summers, Charles Crenshaw, Mark Lane, David Lifton, and Josiah Thompson are still alive or died in old age after long illnesses. Besides, it wouldn't make much sense to send out a cleanup squad as every member would then have to be cleaned up.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime Sir, I don't know what you're talking about. Are you saying that any witness who doesn't agree with the "official" crap is a "conspiracy theorist?" If you are that's extremely scary. The guy was 15 ft away from the murder and the Warren Commission didn't even contact him for a testimony. Do you not think that's strange?
RustyL121 1 year ago
@RustyL121 Like many relatively unimportant witnesses, Bill Newman was interviewed by the FBI rather than being asked to testify in person. Their report is on the record.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime "Unimportant????" That just shows your bias position. You are a sly, sly person. How can you call it "unimportant" when he was 15ft away from the murder? You truly are ridiculous. You’ve just shown to everybody how blind and unwilling to think critically you are. It could also be that you're here to give this kind of crap to people. If your IP was available it may well be shown coming from a CFR office or something similar.
He was interviewed by FBI and the IGNORED by the commission.
RustyL121 1 year ago
@RustyL121 So what? It's not like what Bill Newman had to say was all that explosive. If you are willing to assume that there are dozens more witnesses out there that the Warren Commission and HSCA ignored, what does it matter what any witness said anyway? The physical evidence clearly points to shots from the Book Depository, where, incidentally, Lee Harvey Oswald was spending his lunch alone after bringing his rifle to work that morning.
cengime 1 year ago
@cengime You are a disgusting creature. Of course it's explosive. He said the fatal shot came from behind him. How dare you try to deceive people? It matters because they saw what happened. I know you think you know everything and you’re a youtube academic but you have no idea what you're talking about.
The physical evidence show back and to the left. Indicating the fatal show came from the Grassy Knolls. End of story.
I have no interest in your views anymore. You've exposed yourself.
RustyL121 1 year ago