"A celibate priest can't minister to married people." Rubbish. Nobody would ever say that about a psychologist. Also, must one have first-hand knowledge of addiction in order to counsel an addict, or must one be a woman to counsel a woman? Give me a break.
@jesusthroughmary what ever,,, just tell the leaders of that whore catholic church to leave the little kiddies alone,,, maggots!! why does the church provide false passports to these pedophiles.. like they did with nazi war criminals... what a hypocritical institution,, time to get rid of it,, for it serves no purpose and pays no taxes with assets worth 2.6 trillion dollars... unreal... at least make the maggots pay taxes!!! that will help the .: economy.!!! world wide!
@MsChrisdom Unfortunately, every denomination has its share of perverts. And it's not just religious groups, There is a higher percentage of teachers who are childmolesters than Catholic priests. The mass media has it in for the Catholic Church because it is controled by anti-christians. Yes, the Catholic Church does have its problems and its share of corruption. But it is also the largest charitable organization in the world. So it does have purpose. And I'm not Catholic,
@MsChrisdom What about the Rothchild order of German Jews who secretly worked for the Nazi's as Jew catchers. These rich Rothchild jews helped Finance Nazi movement notably in Italy and Spain! And in a vain attempt to secure their own Freedom told Hilter the Hiding places of several million Polish Jews, Gypsy's, physically and Mentally feeble minded people. They also turned thousand of sexual deviants know as Homosexuals! People who these Jew Catchers have sexual intercourse with.
@MsChrisdom There are lots of Jewish Rabbi's who School Boy (Sit on) Yeshiva students faces for misbehavior. And in rare cases some of these boys have been Suffocated! But the liberal media has covered and has never reported the incidents!
I'm Polish and I know that "Polish National Catholic Church" is a schism to normal Roman Catholic Church. It seems that they are the same but they are not. PNCC is kind of sect.
@0masakra0 First off, the Orthodox Churches are the original churches. If one looks back historically, in 1054 there were 5 Churches in communion with each other, Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria. Rome left the other 4 churches and is the defective church and is in error. When the PNCC broke with Rome, it rejected some of Rome's errors and is more in line with Orthodoxy. I hope and pray that one day, the PNCC will unite with the Orthodox as a Western Rite.
@ms212ms You are correct! The Orthodox churches are more theologically correct than Rome is! However you are incorrect as to when the Orthodox Churches First broke with Rome! The first split took place at the council of chaceden in 451! That is when Five churches all Monophysite Churches; Armenian, Egyptian, Syrian, Ethiopian, and Indian Mankala churches broke with both Constantinople and Rome together!
@MsPerogi You are right. There was an earlier break between the Oriental Orthodox Churches and the Orthodox Catholic Churches. The Council of Chalcedon declared that Christ has a dual nature, equally devine and equally human. The Monophysites believe that he has only a divine nature, so they broke away. Christianity back then was in a mess at it is today. After the persecutions ended, Christians came out of hiding with different beliefs, traditions and even writings.
Read the document Dominus Ieus written by Pope Benedict August 2000 when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. He wrote in section 17 "their Eucharist is valid because they have Apostolic Succession. Then go to the end of the document and look at Pope John Paul II's signature promulgating the document as correct.
Read the document Dominus Ieus written by Pope Benedict August 2000 when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. He wrote in section 17 "their Eucharist is valid because they have Apostolic Succession. Then go to the end of the document and look at Pope John Paul II's signature promulgating the document as correct.
@TheRougeHawksClan unless you are a Sede or an SSPX-er, then you are wrong. The Roman Catholic Church recognizes their sacraments. Breaking communion doesn't mean lack of sacraments. I'm Roman Catholic, would never attened a PNCC but seriously, do some research.
@GBVrallyCI If you read the document Dominus Ieus by Pope Benedict, nowhere in there does he say their sacraments and illicit. he says in fact that they are valid, and that I quote a "real Church". As a Roman Catholic, don'r worry about it. But, do not misquote Papal documents as you are doing. Read the document and then comment otherwise "shut up" Fr. Hector T.
@TheRougeHawksClan Read the document Dominus Ieus written by Pope Benedict August 2000 when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. He wrote in section 17 "their Eucharist is valid because they have Apostolic Succession. Then go to the end of the document and look at Pope John Paul II's signature promulgating the document as correct. Your post makes no sense. I will pray for you. Fr. Hector T.
@Hectrev08 Sorry, I didn't read up before I inflammatorily burst out in a rampage of zealotry. I apologize. But that doesn't detract from the fact that PNNC is out of line with orthodox belief and their sacraments and masses are VALID but ILLICIT.
The Catholic Church has been the greatest power in Europe for a very long time. How long do you think they have been screwing children? The Catholic church created WWII! Hitler, Nazi, and Ustashi are all Catholic Creations. Even today, the Croatian Ustashi are proud Nazi Catholics, and not ashamed to say so. Why would you take your child to a place that is known to house pedophiles? Why would you support a church that houses pedophiles, unless you are brainwashed lemming freak.
The same Protestant Church as the Chinese Patriot Catholic Church........ But your game is of just 4 to 5 years to dissolve either into Protestantism or Islam....
@eraser695 Roman Catholics should read The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop and then ask yourselves how can Popery be anything other than demoniac worship? The Bible depicts the Roman Church as the Whore of Revelation. Read Revelation Chapters 17 & 18 (KJV) and see for yourselves. The Protestant Martin Luther only discovered the truth when he stumbled across a Bible in Erfurt Library. READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELVES AND FLEE!
@Islandretreat I've read the Bible. It's a really nice book. And guess what? I'm Catholic. And even stronger a Catholic than I ever was before. Would you like me to tell you why?
@TheRougeHawksClan, "a really nice book" yep you sound like a man who loves studying the Holy Bible (haha). Care to point out where in the Bible it mentions the word Pope or where it says Peter went to Rome? It doesn't...Read Hislop's classic The Two Babylons.
Even though I was baptized P.N.C.C. and went to R.C. parochial school 2 thru 12 grade), I stopped attending church. Finally returning to a local P.N.C.C. - love it! welcomed with open arms, and very beautiful church
I'm a proud Roman Catholic & that is the REAL church that started in 33 A.D - after the death of Jesus & the Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the world's largest Christian church, claiming more than a billion members!.
@lilaeyes Hey you get it wrong. A. D means After Death of Christ while we say the Catholic Church's foundation was laid within 1 A. D. Please Correct it. Jesus made the Church. 33 A. D means after thirty - three years after the death of Christ... The 33 years of Living Christ are not counted as B. C (Before Christ) or A. D (After Death of Christ).
@lilaeyes Read the document Dominus Ieus written by Pope Benedict August 2000 when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. He wrote in section 17 "their Eucharist is valid because they have Apostolic Succession. Then go to the end of the document and look at Pope John Paul II's signature promulgating the document as correct.
@lxnvcts Read the document Dominus Ieus written by Pope Benedict August 2000 when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. He wrote in section 17 "their Eucharist is valid because they have Apostolic Succession. Then go to the end of the document and look at Pope John Paul II's signature promulgating the document as correct.
We feel very happy with our Hispanic Perpetual Help Comunity in Lawrence Massachusetts under our Diocesis in Washington DC. We are welcome any members of the roman catholic church to join our Mass and ministries.
re Filip: the PNCC had intercommunion with the Anglican Church but disolved it when the Anglican Church ordained woman priess. The PNCC has apostolic succession from Utrechts" bishops and is recognized as having all valid Orders by the RCC which split from the RCC in 1897. The PNCC sister church in Poland is now called THE POLISH CATHOLIC CHURCH. It is gaining membership while the RCC in Poland is losing membership.
Better than a bunch of pedophiles. It is however downright ridiculous that there are 100s if not 1000s of christian churches, some quite similar, others quite different, all preaching the same 'god' the way they claim 'god' wants them to praise him and they all claim 'god's' will is their church even if there are massive differances in social and moral behaviour between these so called churches or cults. It is so two faced it isn't even funny... Sad story, history and future.
The Polish Catholic Church in Poland is growing because the RC Church has never denounced Germany's invasion and slaughter and torture of Poles and others who opposed them. The pope never excommunicated any German Nazi for doing so.
In Poland we also have Mariavite Church - the only religion made in Poland by Poles :) Liturgy in this Church are Tridentine Mass but in polish language.
Read the current Roman Missal; Polish National Catholics upon advise of their church regulation, are eligible for Roman Catholic communion; same is true for Orthodox and Coptics.
Married clergy, Providence will work it all out. +
@Hkepfer A married clergy does not make them ineligible for communion with Rome. Eastern Catholic churches of the Byzantine Rite (e.g. the Ukrainian Catholic church) are in full communion with Rome and ordain married men to the clergy. A celibate clergy is a matter of practice and discipline (not a matter of faith) adopted by the Roman church in 1123. Other rites of the universal Catholic church do not necessarily subscribe to it.
If you want to control, dominate don't waste time, money, building walls, hiring guards,Instead build schools, teach kids what to believe, destroy their self-esteem telling them they will burn in hell unless they do exactly what you tell them. Tell them it is impossible to escape from the devil without your help; they must pay money or you won't be able to help them. If you follow this mind-control rule, there is a good chance you will survie 2000 yrs & become one the richest org in the world.
Wow, I don't know about you, but my Sunday school certainly did not destroy my self esteem. On the contrary, I was taught that I, like every human being, was made in the image of God and that this act demands respect for life. My own as much as others'.
The core of faith rests upon accepting being loved by God, and therefore to believe is to say Yes, not only to him, but to creation, to creatures, above all, to men, to try to see the image of God in each person and thereby to become a lover.
we must recognize with certainty that those who are invincible in ignorance of the true religion are not guilty for this in the eyes of the Lord. And who would presume to mark out the limits of this ignorance according to the character and diversity of peoples, countries, minds and the rest?
-Pope Pius IX (1854)
I do confess ignorance as to the extent of the Catholic Churchs charity endeavors. I suspect its resources are sorely misapplied.
And I sure as hell am not going to defend so much of the churchs history that has been, without question, evil. I would however, humbly suggest that a person like Pope Benedict XVI, who attempted to resign three times as a cardinal, who took a job at the age of 78 that requires tremendous work and devotion, is not shoring up parishioners wealth in order to expand his DVD collection. I would at least acknowledge he is trying to do good, however misguided he may be.
GreenHarpist: I eagerly await your answer as to whether you disagree with your Pope that RCs who attend Mass by a PNCC priest fulfill their obigations as stated in my previous comment to you; or do you believe your Pope is in error? Which is it? Speak up.
Pope Puis XII never condemned Germany's invasion of Poland or its hideous slaughther . The Pope's silence is, to this, day regarded by Poland as a betrayal which was a staunch RC supporter. As a result, Poles' allegiance to RCC is eroding. Allarmed about losing Poland, the Vatican elected a Polish Pope. As long as he was Pope, they honored him & supported RC. Now a former Nazi Youth member is Pope they again are steadily turning from the RCC. Polish statistics state only 52% are active RCs.
GreenHarpist: The Polish National Catholic Church from its beginning was never in unity with the RCC. Orders and Sacrements of the PNCC declared valid on 12-5-84 by the CONGREGATION OF THE FAITH; it affirmed that priests ordained by the PNCC are valid and approved by Pope John Paul II; cf James Flynn, VALIDITY OF HOLY ORDERS CONFIRMED. One PNCC priest was accepted by the RCC without reordination. Do you disagree with your Pope that RCs who attend his Mass are fulfilling their oblications?
I sincerely hope that the Polish National Catholic Church returns to unity with Rome. Such separation is scandalous to the faithful. I also hope that Catholics who are in union with Rome are not fooled into thinking that they are sanctioned to regularly attend Mass or receive the Sacraments in a PNCC parish. They may have valid orders and Eucharist, but just as with the Orthodox, Catholics may not fulfill their obligation in a PNCC church except in an emergency.
I'am a Polish National Catholic from Ct love the vid it's good to let the world know about our holy church don't like though how it sounds we are so liberial we do have rules and a governing leader the Prime Bishop
Official papal positions: 1. USA does not have the right to limit immigration (altho Vatican City does not permit immigrants); 2. every human has a right to migrate to USA; 3. RCC rejects the concept of national sovereignty; 4. immigration restrictions are immoral. cf David Simcox, CATHOLIC HIERARCHY & IMMIGRATION in SOCIAL CONTRACT 3, 1993: 90-95 cites synopsis of RCC position by Cardinal Roger Mahoney, Los Angeles. What would RCC position be if illegal immigrants were Musilms, not Catholic?
Pius XII excommunicated Catholics who are communists altho the RCC itself practices communistic principles: it is authoritarian in that dictatorial power is vested in a single person, the Pope; & owns all church property for the common good. Rev Hodur was excommunicated in 1898 for striving to instill democratic principles within RCC; cf Wlodarski, ORIGIN & GROWTH OF THE POLISH NATIONAL CATHOLIC CHURCH, p59-61; Orzell, ROME & THE VALIDITY OF ORDERS IN THE POLISH NATIONAL CATHOLIC CHURCH, p 6
The RCC excommunicated St Stan Board members because they refuse to give the Archbp title to church property which they built and paid for; money is one criteria by which the RCC excommunicates laity; cf St Louis Post Dispatch, 10-10-08. In the PNCC, church property etc is administered by the laity not the clergy.
I wish to clarify that in the PNCC, church property is owned with title, as well as administered by the laity. The role of the clergy is to give guidance re religious matters to the laity, not to be involved in financial, administrative or non-religious matters as mandated by the PNCC Constituion. The PNCC is a democratic religious entity.
No necessity for private confession?? What do you do just receive communion in mortal sin? This is preposterous, come back to union with Rome and save your souls!
@ByzantineSpirit Where have you been for all these years? Latin rite catholics can eat meat on fridays and do not have to attend confessions anymore! Vatican 2 Granted All Latin Rite Catholics universal Absolution from confessions; And were given universal dispensation from eating meat on Fridays. No dispensations or Absolutions were granted to Byzantine Catholics.Byzantine Catholics still have to fast from Meat on Both Wednesdays and Fridays and attend confessions.
@MsPerogi Where do you get that we don't have to attend confessions. As a roman catholic, i've read in the catechism ( i forget where) say you have to go at least once a year at the minimum. Also, while we don't have to eat meat, i've heard that a person must make some other sacrifice on friday such as giving up sweets or something like that. I'm not trying to condemn you, just trying to help with some misconceptions
Im stating to fell like I'm playing Phoenix Wirght Ace atourny in tyhe case against Von Karma... Either way, you have your church I have mine. We don't KNOW who's right, we just gotta wait and see... Besides Polytheism far outdates Monotheism
HOw can you say there are ANY false religion? For all we know, any one could be right.... You can't say "One, Holy Catholic Church" because thats not an exact copy of the Apostle's Creed. Originally, it was "The Holy Catholic Church" but it was changed by a man who's "infalable" to stop people from turning away. Besides, how does a bigger hat and a bigger chair and a new title make some one infalable? I'll tell you, it doesn't!
If you have the gift of faith and know an act of faith, you know Christ cannot deceive. If He instituted one Church (not I will build my "churches") and you believe in His divinity, you keep His word and remain faithful to this one true Church and not against the anti-Christs as referred to in the Bible. As for the other liars, the leaders of these sects e.g. bishops of PNCC, Williams of the Anglicans, etc. in all ways are their own anti-pope in a way & you yourself as your attitude shows.
We need more joyful catholic churches. I would join the catholic church if they: stop confessings sins to man, Also be more uplifting and sing praises full force before G-D. Religion wont save you. Only Jesus Christ.
per bamboorules: in the Polish National Catholic Church the laity confess their sins directly to God; they may confess to a priest if they choose to do so.
Who cares what religion you are? The Bible states that those who believe in God are his Children and shall recieve a just reward in heaven. (Here's where people insert comments trying to prove me wrong)
Our Lord says unless you Eat His Body and Drink His Blood, then you have no life. His words, not mine. You're argument is nill. Truth of our Lord is eternal, error of false religions is rooted in time.
But the PNCC does eat His Body and drink His Blood... God knew all of this was going to happen before, why would he go through the trouble of not accepting everyone? If he DOES love everyone, than why would he push away so many who are'nt Roman Catholic? I don't think someone with that much love is going to barricade the Pearly Gates the minute the last RC enters. BTW, if you are SO religious; you would accept all religions as long as they believe in God.
It's only that --- as I stated in my original post that those who eat of the Lamb outside the house shall perish like those outside the ark in Noah's time. All religions are not equal. It is an insult to God to say so. God cannot be pleased by a (false) religion that disobeys His commands such as that there should be one Flock (and one Church built upon the rock of peter) and some who openly attack His (Christ's) Divinity, e.g. modern days Jews and the Muslims.
Apparently, RC's are brainwashed. The statement the current pontiff made last year or so about all non-Roman Catholic Churches being damned to hell is wrong. The Bible states that all who believe in me are my beloved and shall recieve just reward in Heaven! You who are so faithful as to go about denouncing other churches are just pitiful, if you truly accept God, you would do so in ALL forms!
You protestants are prideful. God established one Church under Peter. You have established your own little sects in your pride because you want to profess what you wish to believe and not what Christ has revealed through his One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. It is the same error as that of Satan. With Good Friday coming up, it is timely to pray for heretics such as the Lutherans, Anglicans, old "Catholics," etc. to convert to the true faith.
There are Jews in Heaven --- those from the old testament for instance that lived Holy lives and accepted Christ, bloodline Jews who were baptised, lived Holy lives, etc. Yes, so Jews are in Heaven. However, if you mean "Jews" by modern day "Talmudic Jews" who profess in their books that those who believe in Jesus Christ are unclean, idolators, evil, and to be harmed both directly and indirectly, then I believe we have our answer.
But you were unclear, "With Good Friday coming up, it is timely to pray for heretics such as the Lutherans, Anglicans, old "Catholics," etc. to convert to the true faith." is what you said. Etc... means you include various other religions that, by far, outdate Cathlocism by decades, centuries, Millenia, even!
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to Jesus Christ, the Lord and Savior of all.
This is disgusting. would you put a nike swoosh on a pair of addidas, and claim that it's a nike shoe, because you can't tell the diffrence. Just another case of satan fooling us yet again. Always hold true to the early church fathers because they died for the roman catholic church. They know who sustains and who resides their.
This church has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. It is a disgrace to the Catholic Church and disgrace to Poland. This is a made-up church with the word Catholic in its name. The Roman Catholic Church doesnt accept any of your sacraments, simply because you are not in any way associated with RCC, except for excommunication. If you are a member of this church, seek the truth.
Octeres is obiviously ignorant of the facts. Not that is matters to us but the orders and sacraments of the Polish National Catholic Church were declared valid on Dec 5, 1984 by the CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH; it affrimed that priests ordained by the PNCC are valid and was approved by Pope John Paul II; cf James Flynn, VALIDITY OF HOLY ORDERS ACKNOWLEDGED. I also suggest you "seek the truth"
First and foremost, I do, truthfully apologize for my previous comment. I was wrong in everything I said. I am ashamed, and I am sorry. I ask whomever I offended to forgive me. There is a lot of anti-catholic videos on youtube. I was under the wrong impression, that this was just another one. Bad day, I guess. Both churches are indeed working on reaching full communion.
Bschd, thank you for pointing out my mistake in a kind manner.
Octers, I accept your gracious apology. We all make mistakes. I made one in 1901 haaa
Octeres, I accept your gracious apology. We all make mistakes & you are man enough to admit yours. I too, made a mistake, once in 1901 haaaaaa. My best to you.
YOU BRING SCHISM IN THE CHURCH !!! how dare you!!! you are yet to face the roath of God!! how stupid could you be to cause such schism!!!!!!!! priest no longer being retsircted to holy celebacy is always wrong, this is another idea of some boared fool with self guilt wanting to have power over his own 'Church'
priest008 knows RC priests have molested children which is the worst offense any person can make, except the RCC hierachy protects priests instead of children by moving priests from parish to parish; worse of all the Vatican igores the violations of priests & rewards Bp Law by promoting him to a high office in the Vatican protecting him from legal prosecution for allowing his priests to continue to violate children; how dare the RCC face the rath of God for such inhuman and unChristian acts!!!!
it is not the church that faces the roth of God but those so called 'priests' the vatican never ever promoted priests who did so, but yes they did move them from parish to parsh because they tought it was best to do att the time, but it never gives you the excuse to go around starting your own Church!
mm3861, the PNCC and the Roman Church have limited communio in sacris and Rome recognizes the PNCC as having valid sacraments via apostolic succession through Utrecht. Look in the front of your missalette in your church pews regarding reception of communion.
Roman Catholic church claims title to church property despite the fact that the laity work to earn money to pay for construction, upkeep etc. If the laity claim title, the bishop excommunicates them as "refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff.." cf ST STANISLAUS KOSTKA CHURCH, St Louis Post-Dispatch 5-28-08 VATICAN UPHOLDS DECLARATION OF EXCOMMUNICATION FOR ST STAN SIX who refused to turn over church property and assests to the archdiocese valued at $10M because of the district's renovation.
I am polish national catholic im not polish at all. we are catholic and if you want to see for yourself i welcome you to come to our church and to see their truley is no difference other than we are a democratic church, or preist can marry, and we don't go under the pope. if you were a true christian you shouldn't care how we celebrate our masses and care about loving god. i love my church and anyone is welcomed in our church. we go to roman catholic churches if my schedule is busy.
This is not the church that Christ established. It is a "break away" from the One Holy Catholic Church. I am almost certain that this is not a valid Mass for Roman Catholics to attend.
My comments are not intended to show that "I am right and you are wrong".... or... "My Church is real and yours is not". But Roman Catholics are not supposed to be attending "PNC" services. Also, It amazes me how many Catholics don't know that the church teaching regarding Hell, Mortal sin an Penance and HAS NOT changed.
This is NOT the Catholic Church.... This is a PROTESTANT church and a sacrilege. For Catholics, participation in this is a mortal sin... if you even care! Follow the Pope always.
It is a Catholic Church. This is NOT a Protestant church. It has Apostolic Succession...just like the Roman Catholic Church. If you think this is a Protestant church then you obviously don't know much, do you?
No confession..... Married priests... artificial birth control is just fine... This is an apostate. No confession is the main rub.... No sacrament of Penance? Looks protestant to me!
listen buddy, we do have confession especially for kids under 16, but if you are an adult you can go to private confession or general confession its your choice... we are not protestant... our sacraments are the same as yours... so if you hve any other stupid statements say them to someone who actually finds you highly intelligent...
I'm Polish National Catholic. We are CERTAINLY Catholic. As a member who just attended a convocation focused on what we are as a church, I can tell you some things that I know. We follow traditions that came from the early church (democracy being the biggest). And if you check the beginning of your missal, you'll notice that Polish National Catholics are permitted to receive communion with Roman Catholics, and vice versa. This was recognized by the Roman Catholic Church.
To mm3861... your ideas about many things might be based out of ignorance, but since your main problem seems to be not having confession, I can tell you that we certainly do have confession and penance. Married priests? The Roman Catholic Church has accepted some of our priests who were already married. I'd love to know who told you that participation in this denomination is a mortal sin, because in my four years of Roman Catholic education (high school), that was never addressed.
To the best of my knowledge, the Polish National Church is currently separated from the Catholic Church. Therefore, attendance (by Roman Catholics)does not fulfill their weekly Mass obligation. This clip shows what appears to be Roman Catholics thinking that they are attending a "valid" Mass. Doesn't your church also deny the dogmas of the Immaculate Conception, Hell and Original Sin? ...If this is incorrect, please set me straight ;)
The Polish National Catholic Church during its 1st General Synod, 1904, gave ultimate support to the Christian concept of Apostolic Succession, to which no man could excercise episcopal authority without receiving it from a Bp who was in direct line of the Apostles. Hodur conscecrated 9-29-07 St Gertrude's Cathedral, Holland. Consecrators: Most Rev Gerald Gull,Archbp, Utrecht, head of the Old Cath Churches, Europe; Rt Rev John Van Thiel, Bp, Haarlem;Rt Rev Michael Bartholomew Spit Bp, Deventer.
as a layman, all you have to do is join a PNCC parish and meet with the pastor to discuss your sacramental history. For clergy there is a process which should be started by contacting the closest PNCC Diocesan Bishop. Hope this helps.
In response to dickglover's question what makes the PNCC "Catholic"?: the Congregation For The Doctrine Of The Faith declared priests ordained by the Polish National Catholic Church are valid and approved by John Paul II; cf James Flynn, VALIDITY OF HOLY ORDERS ACKNOWLEDGED. PNCC's ordination of priests are valid regardless of the approval and affirmation of the Congregation and John Paul II.
The Polish National Catholic Church is a democratic American institution; it declares each parish owns, controlls & administers all parish property; selects its pastor; elects bishops; pays pastoral & all salaries; elects one delegate for every fifty members to the General Synod which has ultimate legislative authority within its Constituion as adopted by the laity; Mass is in Polish or English; priests marry if they choose; does not recognize the infallibility of the pope, who is a mortal man.
The PNCC until recently was in full communion with the Protestant Episcopalians/Anglicans. Like the Anglicans, they broke away from Catholic unity to form an ethno-centric Christian denomination centred around their Polish national identity. Today it is a complete anachronism, and yet another of the protestant sects that picks and chooses what it wants to believe according to its own convenience.
Unfortunately, dickglover is is error, whether by ignorance or bias. 1. the PNCC is not a Protestant sect; 2. its religious beliefs and orders are based on fundamental precepts not on what it wants to believe according to its own convenience. I suggest dickglover do his homework.
But the Catholic Church in Communion with the Holy See maintains a direct and unbroken link with the Apostolic College. The PNCC is a splinter sect which changed Catholic teachings and practice in respects it found convenient. That is where your analogy fails.
Sorry im a Roman Catholic as well.. but i studied apostolic succession more than you. once a bishop consecreated and ordained a priest or bishop..they alredy passed the apostolic succession thru anointing. as long as you practice the Catholic sacraments, belief and faith.. you are catholic. the orthodox and old catholic understood that if today, the pope kissed the muslim Quran, u wouldnt do the same. if today the pope says priest can become politician or join masonry. would you obey him?
These are our Catholic brothers! They might not be in full communion with Rome, nevertheless they are our brothers and sisters just a smidge misguided. We must show them the light! There heart are in the right place just a bit misguided
While I do agree with your statement about the PNCC having valid sacraments, I feel that you are incorrect in stating "one of the few non-Catholic", when it is in fact that very Catholicity of the PNCC that gives the Church valid sacraments. The PNCC is not "non-Catholic" not "Roman" yes, but most certainly Catholic.
I don't like to use the term "Roman" to refer to my Church, thou. Roman is a term used often in reference to the Catholic Church by anti-Catholics who believe that the Church is some sort of "Roman-Babylon." In fact, I'm pretty sure that "Roman Catholic" is not the name of our Church, but of one individual rite of our Church.
Your Church is the "Roman" or "Latin Rite" of the Catholic Church. Just as there is "Eastern Rite" Catholics or "Polish National" Catholics, but nonetheless are all equally "Catholic". To say that the Roman Church is the only Catholic Church is a false statement.
well the, you better pray for all of those Roman Catholics who received their last communion and anointing from PNCC priests who are hospital chaplains. Also all those soldiers who have received the sacraments from PNCC priests who are military chaplains. Also, you need to write to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and inform them that their decision based on the RC/PNCC dialog are wrong because YOU said so.
there are two books that were published "Journeying Together in Christ" vol. 1 and 2. These are available through the PNCC bookstore, call the National Church Center to place an order. Also, there is some info via the United States Conference of Catholic Bishop website in the Ecumenical Dialog section. Hope this helps!
The PNCC and the Roman Church have been in dialogue since 1984, and have made several statements regarding the validity of orders and sacraments. There are some issues keeping the two churches from full communion, but nevertheless there is a great working relationship between the two faiths.
As a Roman Catholic, I always attend All Saint's Cathedral(PNCC) in Chicago, when I am there. It is a great union of faith and our two Churches are really ecclesiastically one-
i hope the PNCC never returns to Rome cause whos to say if they will let us keep our traditions look at the Greek Catholic church dey used to have married clergy now they are celibate we won't have that union of people as we do now
Truth is not a majority votes and Pathetic disagreements due to inflated egos are not a justification to jump up and start your own "tailored" church. Christ Created 1 church, the Catholic Church, not a church for each believer.
The original Catholic Church was neither in Rome nore in the East (Russia, Polan, Ukraine etc.) It is actually Caucasian. The Armenians were the first to have Catholicism. So be it as it may the original Church is Armenian Catholic.
acutally it's Armenian Apostalic Orthodox and yes it could be that they were the first original church cause look at the similar things they do that the Roman and Orthodox churches do as well
Interestingly enough roman4111111, the PNCC and the Roman Church have a limited communal sharing...read your pew missal. Yes the PNCC is separated from Rome, however even Rome cannot deny the validity of the orders and sacraments of the PNCC!
I did not mention anything about the validity of orders or the sacraments. I merely mentioned that the PNCC is basically a concoction that was designed to suite one group, due to them disliking certain "Roman" issues. The PNCC was actually formed by most proud Polish gentry in America that disliked the treatment they got from the local Catholics. Now since the PNCC has lost it's anchorage with the bark of Peter it will merly float away down the rapids of the world.
@thekrazed12 Eastern Orthodox Churches are Also TRUE Churches because they consider the Pope a type of Bishop who is partly in communion with Constantinople. But Orthodox churches are DEFECTIVE because they do not give FULL AUTHORITY or INFALLIBILITY to the Bishop of Rome. Eastern Orthodox churches were never entirely Excommunicated by Rome because Constantinople stil considers the ROMAN POPE a type of BISHOP. And Because of the History of Poland Ukraine and the Eastern Rite Catholics.
"A celibate priest can't minister to married people." Rubbish. Nobody would ever say that about a psychologist. Also, must one have first-hand knowledge of addiction in order to counsel an addict, or must one be a woman to counsel a woman? Give me a break.
jesusthroughmary 2 months ago
@jesusthroughmary what ever,,, just tell the leaders of that whore catholic church to leave the little kiddies alone,,, maggots!! why does the church provide false passports to these pedophiles.. like they did with nazi war criminals... what a hypocritical institution,, time to get rid of it,, for it serves no purpose and pays no taxes with assets worth 2.6 trillion dollars... unreal... at least make the maggots pay taxes!!! that will help the .: economy.!!! world wide!
MsChrisdom 1 month ago
@MsChrisdom Unfortunately, every denomination has its share of perverts. And it's not just religious groups, There is a higher percentage of teachers who are childmolesters than Catholic priests. The mass media has it in for the Catholic Church because it is controled by anti-christians. Yes, the Catholic Church does have its problems and its share of corruption. But it is also the largest charitable organization in the world. So it does have purpose. And I'm not Catholic,
ms212ms 1 month ago
@MsChrisdom What about the Rothchild order of German Jews who secretly worked for the Nazi's as Jew catchers. These rich Rothchild jews helped Finance Nazi movement notably in Italy and Spain! And in a vain attempt to secure their own Freedom told Hilter the Hiding places of several million Polish Jews, Gypsy's, physically and Mentally feeble minded people. They also turned thousand of sexual deviants know as Homosexuals! People who these Jew Catchers have sexual intercourse with.
MsPerogi 1 month ago
@MsPerogi I will add that the Nazi's had sex with these Traitor Jew Catchers also!
MsPerogi 1 month ago
@MsChrisdom There are lots of Jewish Rabbi's who School Boy (Sit on) Yeshiva students faces for misbehavior. And in rare cases some of these boys have been Suffocated! But the liberal media has covered and has never reported the incidents!
MsPerogi 1 month ago
I'm Polish and I know that "Polish National Catholic Church" is a schism to normal Roman Catholic Church. It seems that they are the same but they are not. PNCC is kind of sect.
0masakra0 5 months ago
@0masakra0 First off, the Orthodox Churches are the original churches. If one looks back historically, in 1054 there were 5 Churches in communion with each other, Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria. Rome left the other 4 churches and is the defective church and is in error. When the PNCC broke with Rome, it rejected some of Rome's errors and is more in line with Orthodoxy. I hope and pray that one day, the PNCC will unite with the Orthodox as a Western Rite.
ms212ms 1 month ago
@ms212ms You are correct! The Orthodox churches are more theologically correct than Rome is! However you are incorrect as to when the Orthodox Churches First broke with Rome! The first split took place at the council of chaceden in 451! That is when Five churches all Monophysite Churches; Armenian, Egyptian, Syrian, Ethiopian, and Indian Mankala churches broke with both Constantinople and Rome together!
MsPerogi 1 month ago
@MsPerogi You are right. There was an earlier break between the Oriental Orthodox Churches and the Orthodox Catholic Churches. The Council of Chalcedon declared that Christ has a dual nature, equally devine and equally human. The Monophysites believe that he has only a divine nature, so they broke away. Christianity back then was in a mess at it is today. After the persecutions ended, Christians came out of hiding with different beliefs, traditions and even writings.
ms212ms 1 month ago
@ms212ms you are full of falsities.
chromecrescent 3 weeks ago
Read the document Dominus Ieus written by Pope Benedict August 2000 when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. He wrote in section 17 "their Eucharist is valid because they have Apostolic Succession. Then go to the end of the document and look at Pope John Paul II's signature promulgating the document as correct.
Hectrev08 6 months ago
Read the document Dominus Ieus written by Pope Benedict August 2000 when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. He wrote in section 17 "their Eucharist is valid because they have Apostolic Succession. Then go to the end of the document and look at Pope John Paul II's signature promulgating the document as correct.
Hectrev08 6 months ago
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TheRougeHawksClan 8 months ago
@TheRougeHawksClan unless you are a Sede or an SSPX-er, then you are wrong. The Roman Catholic Church recognizes their sacraments. Breaking communion doesn't mean lack of sacraments. I'm Roman Catholic, would never attened a PNCC but seriously, do some research.
GBVrallyCI 7 months ago
@GBVrallyCI If you read the document Dominus Ieus by Pope Benedict, nowhere in there does he say their sacraments and illicit. he says in fact that they are valid, and that I quote a "real Church". As a Roman Catholic, don'r worry about it. But, do not misquote Papal documents as you are doing. Read the document and then comment otherwise "shut up" Fr. Hector T.
Hectrev08 6 months ago
@TheRougeHawksClan Read the document Dominus Ieus written by Pope Benedict August 2000 when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. He wrote in section 17 "their Eucharist is valid because they have Apostolic Succession. Then go to the end of the document and look at Pope John Paul II's signature promulgating the document as correct. Your post makes no sense. I will pray for you. Fr. Hector T.
Hectrev08 6 months ago
@Hectrev08 Sorry, I didn't read up before I inflammatorily burst out in a rampage of zealotry. I apologize. But that doesn't detract from the fact that PNNC is out of line with orthodox belief and their sacraments and masses are VALID but ILLICIT.
TheRougeHawksClan 6 months ago
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The Catholic Church has been the greatest power in Europe for a very long time. How long do you think they have been screwing children? The Catholic church created WWII! Hitler, Nazi, and Ustashi are all Catholic Creations. Even today, the Croatian Ustashi are proud Nazi Catholics, and not ashamed to say so. Why would you take your child to a place that is known to house pedophiles? Why would you support a church that houses pedophiles, unless you are brainwashed lemming freak.
Born2Flesh 8 months ago
The same Protestant Church as the Chinese Patriot Catholic Church........ But your game is of just 4 to 5 years to dissolve either into Protestantism or Islam....
eraser695 1 year ago
@eraser695 Roman Catholics should read The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop and then ask yourselves how can Popery be anything other than demoniac worship? The Bible depicts the Roman Church as the Whore of Revelation. Read Revelation Chapters 17 & 18 (KJV) and see for yourselves. The Protestant Martin Luther only discovered the truth when he stumbled across a Bible in Erfurt Library. READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELVES AND FLEE!
Islandretreat 6 months ago
@Islandretreat Ok thank you but its completely useless. Everybody knows who's the Whore and Everybody knows who's the Bride.
eraser695 6 months ago
@Islandretreat I've read the Bible. It's a really nice book. And guess what? I'm Catholic. And even stronger a Catholic than I ever was before. Would you like me to tell you why?
TheRougeHawksClan 6 months ago
@TheRougeHawksClan, "a really nice book" yep you sound like a man who loves studying the Holy Bible (haha). Care to point out where in the Bible it mentions the word Pope or where it says Peter went to Rome? It doesn't...Read Hislop's classic The Two Babylons.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
@TheRougeHawksClan read your bible,,, it says that kids are not sex slaves!! so tell your leaders to read that!!!
MsChrisdom 1 month ago
To zwykli odstępcy od Wiary Katolickiej.
papist77 1 year ago
Even though I was baptized P.N.C.C. and went to R.C. parochial school 2 thru 12 grade), I stopped attending church. Finally returning to a local P.N.C.C. - love it! welcomed with open arms, and very beautiful church
evilunixuser1 1 year ago
I'm a proud Roman Catholic & that is the REAL church that started in 33 A.D - after the death of Jesus & the Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the world's largest Christian church, claiming more than a billion members!.
lilaeyes 1 year ago
@lilaeyes Hey you get it wrong. A. D means After Death of Christ while we say the Catholic Church's foundation was laid within 1 A. D. Please Correct it. Jesus made the Church. 33 A. D means after thirty - three years after the death of Christ... The 33 years of Living Christ are not counted as B. C (Before Christ) or A. D (After Death of Christ).
eraser695 1 year ago
@eraser695 no it doesn't!!!! it means anno domini, the era of Our Lord. It's the birth of Christ!
thegreatfearblog 1 year ago
@thegreatfearblog Thanks for correcting...
eraser695 1 year ago
@eraser695 its ANOO DOMINI
inri120 1 year ago
@inri120 Thank you bro for correcting....
eraser695 1 year ago
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@eraser695 its ANNO DOMINI
inri120 1 year ago
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@lilaeyes Read the document Dominus Ieus written by Pope Benedict August 2000 when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. He wrote in section 17 "their Eucharist is valid because they have Apostolic Succession. Then go to the end of the document and look at Pope John Paul II's signature promulgating the document as correct.
Hectrev08 6 months ago
This is no catholic church but a protestant sect.
lxnvcts 1 year ago
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@lxnvcts Read the document Dominus Ieus written by Pope Benedict August 2000 when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. He wrote in section 17 "their Eucharist is valid because they have Apostolic Succession. Then go to the end of the document and look at Pope John Paul II's signature promulgating the document as correct.
Hectrev08 6 months ago
We feel very happy with our Hispanic Perpetual Help Comunity in Lawrence Massachusetts under our Diocesis in Washington DC. We are welcome any members of the roman catholic church to join our Mass and ministries.
daddie11 1 year ago
re Filip: the PNCC had intercommunion with the Anglican Church but disolved it when the Anglican Church ordained woman priess. The PNCC has apostolic succession from Utrechts" bishops and is recognized as having all valid Orders by the RCC which split from the RCC in 1897. The PNCC sister church in Poland is now called THE POLISH CATHOLIC CHURCH. It is gaining membership while the RCC in Poland is losing membership.
bschd 1 year ago
Down with schism:(
papist77 1 year ago
Better than a bunch of pedophiles. It is however downright ridiculous that there are 100s if not 1000s of christian churches, some quite similar, others quite different, all preaching the same 'god' the way they claim 'god' wants them to praise him and they all claim 'god's' will is their church even if there are massive differances in social and moral behaviour between these so called churches or cults. It is so two faced it isn't even funny... Sad story, history and future.
KoivuTheHab 1 year ago
re: fereus. I was speaking of Pope Pius who during WWII never excommuicated Hitler or any RC German who tortured everyone who disagreed with them.
bschd 1 year ago
The Polish Catholic Church in Poland is growing because the RC Church has never denounced Germany's invasion and slaughter and torture of Poles and others who opposed them. The pope never excommunicated any German Nazi for doing so.
bschd 1 year ago
@bschd The pope declared that anyone participating in the nazi party was excommunicated automatically. You seem to prioritize nationalism over God.
ferreus 1 year ago
In Poland we also have Mariavite Church - the only religion made in Poland by Poles :) Liturgy in this Church are Tridentine Mass but in polish language.
MrDevin1984 1 year ago
Schismatic. No thanks.
pickledpork 2 years ago
Read the current Roman Missal; Polish National Catholics upon advise of their church regulation, are eligible for Roman Catholic communion; same is true for Orthodox and Coptics.
Married clergy, Providence will work it all out. +
Hkepfer 2 years ago
@Hkepfer A married clergy does not make them ineligible for communion with Rome. Eastern Catholic churches of the Byzantine Rite (e.g. the Ukrainian Catholic church) are in full communion with Rome and ordain married men to the clergy. A celibate clergy is a matter of practice and discipline (not a matter of faith) adopted by the Roman church in 1123. Other rites of the universal Catholic church do not necessarily subscribe to it.
mindspring57 1 year ago
reproduce rapidly so the priests can molest somebody.
responder12345 2 years ago
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frsdonahue 2 years ago
I am too old for you
responder12345 2 years ago
Okay, the reporter said that there is no mandatory confession, but they still have the same sacraments. What?
TenderTrap86 2 years ago
Heretics, of course the secular media loves them!
kdurston1 2 years ago
If you want to control, dominate don't waste time, money, building walls, hiring guards,Instead build schools, teach kids what to believe, destroy their self-esteem telling them they will burn in hell unless they do exactly what you tell them. Tell them it is impossible to escape from the devil without your help; they must pay money or you won't be able to help them. If you follow this mind-control rule, there is a good chance you will survie 2000 yrs & become one the richest org in the world.
bschd 2 years ago
Wow, I don't know about you, but my Sunday school certainly did not destroy my self esteem. On the contrary, I was taught that I, like every human being, was made in the image of God and that this act demands respect for life. My own as much as others'.
The core of faith rests upon accepting being loved by God, and therefore to believe is to say Yes, not only to him, but to creation, to creatures, above all, to men, to try to see the image of God in each person and thereby to become a lover.
thesnake52000 1 year ago
Theres also this:
we must recognize with certainty that those who are invincible in ignorance of the true religion are not guilty for this in the eyes of the Lord. And who would presume to mark out the limits of this ignorance according to the character and diversity of peoples, countries, minds and the rest?
-Pope Pius IX (1854)
I do confess ignorance as to the extent of the Catholic Churchs charity endeavors. I suspect its resources are sorely misapplied.
thesnake52000 1 year ago
And I sure as hell am not going to defend so much of the churchs history that has been, without question, evil. I would however, humbly suggest that a person like Pope Benedict XVI, who attempted to resign three times as a cardinal, who took a job at the age of 78 that requires tremendous work and devotion, is not shoring up parishioners wealth in order to expand his DVD collection. I would at least acknowledge he is trying to do good, however misguided he may be.
thesnake52000 1 year ago
It all looks Anglican to me...
PsychoPunk1965 2 years ago
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frsdonahue 2 years ago
GreenHarpist: I eagerly await your answer as to whether you disagree with your Pope that RCs who attend Mass by a PNCC priest fulfill their obigations as stated in my previous comment to you; or do you believe your Pope is in error? Which is it? Speak up.
bschd 2 years ago
Pope Puis XII never condemned Germany's invasion of Poland or its hideous slaughther . The Pope's silence is, to this, day regarded by Poland as a betrayal which was a staunch RC supporter. As a result, Poles' allegiance to RCC is eroding. Allarmed about losing Poland, the Vatican elected a Polish Pope. As long as he was Pope, they honored him & supported RC. Now a former Nazi Youth member is Pope they again are steadily turning from the RCC. Polish statistics state only 52% are active RCs.
bschd 2 years ago
GreenHarpist: The Polish National Catholic Church from its beginning was never in unity with the RCC. Orders and Sacrements of the PNCC declared valid on 12-5-84 by the CONGREGATION OF THE FAITH; it affirmed that priests ordained by the PNCC are valid and approved by Pope John Paul II; cf James Flynn, VALIDITY OF HOLY ORDERS CONFIRMED. One PNCC priest was accepted by the RCC without reordination. Do you disagree with your Pope that RCs who attend his Mass are fulfilling their oblications?
bschd 2 years ago
schismatics!
allwasforanapple 2 years ago
I sincerely hope that the Polish National Catholic Church returns to unity with Rome. Such separation is scandalous to the faithful. I also hope that Catholics who are in union with Rome are not fooled into thinking that they are sanctioned to regularly attend Mass or receive the Sacraments in a PNCC parish. They may have valid orders and Eucharist, but just as with the Orthodox, Catholics may not fulfill their obligation in a PNCC church except in an emergency.
GreenHarpist 2 years ago
I'am a Polish National Catholic from Ct love the vid it's good to let the world know about our holy church don't like though how it sounds we are so liberial we do have rules and a governing leader the Prime Bishop
BigPolishMike14 2 years ago
Official papal positions: 1. USA does not have the right to limit immigration (altho Vatican City does not permit immigrants); 2. every human has a right to migrate to USA; 3. RCC rejects the concept of national sovereignty; 4. immigration restrictions are immoral. cf David Simcox, CATHOLIC HIERARCHY & IMMIGRATION in SOCIAL CONTRACT 3, 1993: 90-95 cites synopsis of RCC position by Cardinal Roger Mahoney, Los Angeles. What would RCC position be if illegal immigrants were Musilms, not Catholic?
dobrzepan 2 years ago
Pius XII excommunicated Catholics who are communists altho the RCC itself practices communistic principles: it is authoritarian in that dictatorial power is vested in a single person, the Pope; & owns all church property for the common good. Rev Hodur was excommunicated in 1898 for striving to instill democratic principles within RCC; cf Wlodarski, ORIGIN & GROWTH OF THE POLISH NATIONAL CATHOLIC CHURCH, p59-61; Orzell, ROME & THE VALIDITY OF ORDERS IN THE POLISH NATIONAL CATHOLIC CHURCH, p 6
dobrzepan 2 years ago
The RCC excommunicated St Stan Board members because they refuse to give the Archbp title to church property which they built and paid for; money is one criteria by which the RCC excommunicates laity; cf St Louis Post Dispatch, 10-10-08. In the PNCC, church property etc is administered by the laity not the clergy.
dobrzepan 2 years ago
I wish to clarify that in the PNCC, church property is owned with title, as well as administered by the laity. The role of the clergy is to give guidance re religious matters to the laity, not to be involved in financial, administrative or non-religious matters as mandated by the PNCC Constituion. The PNCC is a democratic religious entity.
dobrzepan 2 years ago
Too bad they have the same narrow views concerning Gays and Lesbians the Roman Catholic Church has.
wolfpup4u 2 years ago
It's the Roman Catholic Church without all of the greed....what's not to like!
tubaplayer2006 2 years ago
To start with their position on birth control.
DanS24106 2 years ago
No necessity for private confession?? What do you do just receive communion in mortal sin? This is preposterous, come back to union with Rome and save your souls!
ByzantineSpirit 2 years ago
@ByzantineSpirit Where have you been for all these years? Latin rite catholics can eat meat on fridays and do not have to attend confessions anymore! Vatican 2 Granted All Latin Rite Catholics universal Absolution from confessions; And were given universal dispensation from eating meat on Fridays. No dispensations or Absolutions were granted to Byzantine Catholics.Byzantine Catholics still have to fast from Meat on Both Wednesdays and Fridays and attend confessions.
MsPerogi 3 months ago
@MsPerogi Where do you get that we don't have to attend confessions. As a roman catholic, i've read in the catechism ( i forget where) say you have to go at least once a year at the minimum. Also, while we don't have to eat meat, i've heard that a person must make some other sacrifice on friday such as giving up sweets or something like that. I'm not trying to condemn you, just trying to help with some misconceptions
bpolacek89 2 weeks ago
Have a look and see what Protestant Preachers dont want you to see.
Google "Unity Publishing" Click under "The Mass the Bible".
spartacus6839 2 years ago
Im stating to fell like I'm playing Phoenix Wirght Ace atourny in tyhe case against Von Karma... Either way, you have your church I have mine. We don't KNOW who's right, we just gotta wait and see... Besides Polytheism far outdates Monotheism
VolcanoEmporer 2 years ago
HOw can you say there are ANY false religion? For all we know, any one could be right.... You can't say "One, Holy Catholic Church" because thats not an exact copy of the Apostle's Creed. Originally, it was "The Holy Catholic Church" but it was changed by a man who's "infalable" to stop people from turning away. Besides, how does a bigger hat and a bigger chair and a new title make some one infalable? I'll tell you, it doesn't!
VolcanoEmporer 2 years ago
If you have the gift of faith and know an act of faith, you know Christ cannot deceive. If He instituted one Church (not I will build my "churches") and you believe in His divinity, you keep His word and remain faithful to this one true Church and not against the anti-Christs as referred to in the Bible. As for the other liars, the leaders of these sects e.g. bishops of PNCC, Williams of the Anglicans, etc. in all ways are their own anti-pope in a way & you yourself as your attitude shows.
thekrazed12 2 years ago
To thekrazed12:
You are correct, Christ did say upon this I will build My Church...so we should all go back to Orthodoxy which is the original Church....
padreegan 2 years ago
Nothing more than a bunch of schismatic sects.
thekrazed12 2 years ago 7
@thekrazed12
Nawet gorzej - gorzej bo niegodnie.
FilipEffatha 4 months ago
We need more joyful catholic churches. I would join the catholic church if they: stop confessings sins to man, Also be more uplifting and sing praises full force before G-D. Religion wont save you. Only Jesus Christ.
bamboorules 2 years ago
per bamboorules: in the Polish National Catholic Church the laity confess their sins directly to God; they may confess to a priest if they choose to do so.
dobrzepan 2 years ago
Who cares what religion you are? The Bible states that those who believe in God are his Children and shall recieve a just reward in heaven. (Here's where people insert comments trying to prove me wrong)
VolcanoEmporer 2 years ago
Our Lord says unless you Eat His Body and Drink His Blood, then you have no life. His words, not mine. You're argument is nill. Truth of our Lord is eternal, error of false religions is rooted in time.
thekrazed12 2 years ago
But the PNCC does eat His Body and drink His Blood... God knew all of this was going to happen before, why would he go through the trouble of not accepting everyone? If he DOES love everyone, than why would he push away so many who are'nt Roman Catholic? I don't think someone with that much love is going to barricade the Pearly Gates the minute the last RC enters. BTW, if you are SO religious; you would accept all religions as long as they believe in God.
VolcanoEmporer 2 years ago
It's only that --- as I stated in my original post that those who eat of the Lamb outside the house shall perish like those outside the ark in Noah's time. All religions are not equal. It is an insult to God to say so. God cannot be pleased by a (false) religion that disobeys His commands such as that there should be one Flock (and one Church built upon the rock of peter) and some who openly attack His (Christ's) Divinity, e.g. modern days Jews and the Muslims.
thekrazed12 2 years ago
Apparently, RC's are brainwashed. The statement the current pontiff made last year or so about all non-Roman Catholic Churches being damned to hell is wrong. The Bible states that all who believe in me are my beloved and shall recieve just reward in Heaven! You who are so faithful as to go about denouncing other churches are just pitiful, if you truly accept God, you would do so in ALL forms!
VolcanoEmporer 2 years ago
You protestants are prideful. God established one Church under Peter. You have established your own little sects in your pride because you want to profess what you wish to believe and not what Christ has revealed through his One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. It is the same error as that of Satan. With Good Friday coming up, it is timely to pray for heretics such as the Lutherans, Anglicans, old "Catholics," etc. to convert to the true faith.
thekrazed12 2 years ago
Do you realize how 'prideful' and arrogant you just sounded? So according to you the Jews are going to hell, too?
VolcanoEmporer 2 years ago
There are Jews in Heaven --- those from the old testament for instance that lived Holy lives and accepted Christ, bloodline Jews who were baptised, lived Holy lives, etc. Yes, so Jews are in Heaven. However, if you mean "Jews" by modern day "Talmudic Jews" who profess in their books that those who believe in Jesus Christ are unclean, idolators, evil, and to be harmed both directly and indirectly, then I believe we have our answer.
thekrazed12 2 years ago
But you were unclear, "With Good Friday coming up, it is timely to pray for heretics such as the Lutherans, Anglicans, old "Catholics," etc. to convert to the true faith." is what you said. Etc... means you include various other religions that, by far, outdate Cathlocism by decades, centuries, Millenia, even!
VolcanoEmporer 2 years ago
(this is to 'thekrazed12'... sorry)
VolcanoEmporer 2 years ago
More clueless men playing "dress up" and even more clueless sheep thinking they are Catholic.
capone70 2 years ago
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
ByzantineSpirit 2 years ago
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to Jesus Christ, the Lord and Savior of all.
padreegan 2 years ago
This is disgusting. would you put a nike swoosh on a pair of addidas, and claim that it's a nike shoe, because you can't tell the diffrence. Just another case of satan fooling us yet again. Always hold true to the early church fathers because they died for the roman catholic church. They know who sustains and who resides their.
haslam003 2 years ago
Would be nice to have a PNCC here. I would attend. :)
Finnjun 3 years ago
Actually their apostolic succession is sanctioned by the Vatican and they can receive communion in RC Churches
cmodrmac 3 years ago
Ahhh, a church for people with low morals and no desire to improve. I'm surprised it's not more popular.
vladimir998 3 years ago
This church has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. It is a disgrace to the Catholic Church and disgrace to Poland. This is a made-up church with the word Catholic in its name. The Roman Catholic Church doesnt accept any of your sacraments, simply because you are not in any way associated with RCC, except for excommunication. If you are a member of this church, seek the truth.
Octeres 3 years ago
Octeres is obiviously ignorant of the facts. Not that is matters to us but the orders and sacraments of the Polish National Catholic Church were declared valid on Dec 5, 1984 by the CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH; it affrimed that priests ordained by the PNCC are valid and was approved by Pope John Paul II; cf James Flynn, VALIDITY OF HOLY ORDERS ACKNOWLEDGED. I also suggest you "seek the truth"
bschd 3 years ago
First and foremost, I do, truthfully apologize for my previous comment. I was wrong in everything I said. I am ashamed, and I am sorry. I ask whomever I offended to forgive me. There is a lot of anti-catholic videos on youtube. I was under the wrong impression, that this was just another one. Bad day, I guess. Both churches are indeed working on reaching full communion.
Bschd, thank you for pointing out my mistake in a kind manner.
Octeres 3 years ago
Octers, I accept your gracious apology. We all make mistakes. I made one in 1901 haaa
Octeres, I accept your gracious apology. We all make mistakes & you are man enough to admit yours. I too, made a mistake, once in 1901 haaaaaa. My best to you.
bschd 3 years ago
@bschd
Is it mean ordination of priest in PNCC is like in Anglican church?
I thought they have apostolic succesion from Utrecht's bishops ? (??)
FilipEffatha 1 year ago
Very interesting:) Thank You for posting.
polaka03 3 years ago
YOU BRING SCHISM IN THE CHURCH !!! how dare you!!! you are yet to face the roath of God!! how stupid could you be to cause such schism!!!!!!!! priest no longer being retsircted to holy celebacy is always wrong, this is another idea of some boared fool with self guilt wanting to have power over his own 'Church'
priest008 3 years ago
priest008 knows RC priests have molested children which is the worst offense any person can make, except the RCC hierachy protects priests instead of children by moving priests from parish to parish; worse of all the Vatican igores the violations of priests & rewards Bp Law by promoting him to a high office in the Vatican protecting him from legal prosecution for allowing his priests to continue to violate children; how dare the RCC face the rath of God for such inhuman and unChristian acts!!!!
bschd 3 years ago
it is not the church that faces the roth of God but those so called 'priests' the vatican never ever promoted priests who did so, but yes they did move them from parish to parsh because they tought it was best to do att the time, but it never gives you the excuse to go around starting your own Church!
priest008 3 years ago
so a pncc member faces the "roth" of god now?
jaysol82 3 years ago
priest008 in the early church both western and eastern church priests were allowed to marry even St.Peter was idiot
BigPolishMike14 2 years ago
mm3861, the PNCC and the Roman Church have limited communio in sacris and Rome recognizes the PNCC as having valid sacraments via apostolic succession through Utrecht. Look in the front of your missalette in your church pews regarding reception of communion.
JA Moyers, St. Stanislaus Kostka Church, StL, MO.
episcojon 3 years ago
Roman Catholic church claims title to church property despite the fact that the laity work to earn money to pay for construction, upkeep etc. If the laity claim title, the bishop excommunicates them as "refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff.." cf ST STANISLAUS KOSTKA CHURCH, St Louis Post-Dispatch 5-28-08 VATICAN UPHOLDS DECLARATION OF EXCOMMUNICATION FOR ST STAN SIX who refused to turn over church property and assests to the archdiocese valued at $10M because of the district's renovation.
bschd 3 years ago
I am polish national catholic im not polish at all. we are catholic and if you want to see for yourself i welcome you to come to our church and to see their truley is no difference other than we are a democratic church, or preist can marry, and we don't go under the pope. if you were a true christian you shouldn't care how we celebrate our masses and care about loving god. i love my church and anyone is welcomed in our church. we go to roman catholic churches if my schedule is busy.
hopeybaby250 3 years ago
This is not the church that Christ established. It is a "break away" from the One Holy Catholic Church. I am almost certain that this is not a valid Mass for Roman Catholics to attend.
mm3861 3 years ago
My comments are not intended to show that "I am right and you are wrong".... or... "My Church is real and yours is not". But Roman Catholics are not supposed to be attending "PNC" services. Also, It amazes me how many Catholics don't know that the church teaching regarding Hell, Mortal sin an Penance and HAS NOT changed.
mm3861 3 years ago
This is NOT the Catholic Church.... This is a PROTESTANT church and a sacrilege. For Catholics, participation in this is a mortal sin... if you even care! Follow the Pope always.
mm3861 3 years ago
It is a Catholic Church. This is NOT a Protestant church. It has Apostolic Succession...just like the Roman Catholic Church. If you think this is a Protestant church then you obviously don't know much, do you?
Gandalf3945 3 years ago
No confession..... Married priests... artificial birth control is just fine... This is an apostate. No confession is the main rub.... No sacrament of Penance? Looks protestant to me!
mm3861 3 years ago
listen buddy, we do have confession especially for kids under 16, but if you are an adult you can go to private confession or general confession its your choice... we are not protestant... our sacraments are the same as yours... so if you hve any other stupid statements say them to someone who actually finds you highly intelligent...
hopeybaby250 3 years ago
I'm Polish National Catholic. We are CERTAINLY Catholic. As a member who just attended a convocation focused on what we are as a church, I can tell you some things that I know. We follow traditions that came from the early church (democracy being the biggest). And if you check the beginning of your missal, you'll notice that Polish National Catholics are permitted to receive communion with Roman Catholics, and vice versa. This was recognized by the Roman Catholic Church.
kblotzer 3 years ago
To mm3861... your ideas about many things might be based out of ignorance, but since your main problem seems to be not having confession, I can tell you that we certainly do have confession and penance. Married priests? The Roman Catholic Church has accepted some of our priests who were already married. I'd love to know who told you that participation in this denomination is a mortal sin, because in my four years of Roman Catholic education (high school), that was never addressed.
kblotzer 3 years ago
To the best of my knowledge, the Polish National Church is currently separated from the Catholic Church. Therefore, attendance (by Roman Catholics)does not fulfill their weekly Mass obligation. This clip shows what appears to be Roman Catholics thinking that they are attending a "valid" Mass. Doesn't your church also deny the dogmas of the Immaculate Conception, Hell and Original Sin? ...If this is incorrect, please set me straight ;)
mm3861 3 years ago
I've been Polish National Catholic all my life, not to mention my dad is a priest in the PNCC!
1. No original sin because WHY WOULD GOD MAKE SOME THING CREATED IN HIS IMAGE IMPERFECT?
2. We believe in Hell
3. We (correct me if I'm wrong)accept all Dogma's up to Vatican 2... I think
4. We follow Apostolic Succession
5. The Roman Catholic Church accepts all our sarements!
Phoenix798 3 years ago
im half polish ive been to a church like that once but im just a roman catholic
AllStar9512 3 years ago
The Polish National Catholic Church during its 1st General Synod, 1904, gave ultimate support to the Christian concept of Apostolic Succession, to which no man could excercise episcopal authority without receiving it from a Bp who was in direct line of the Apostles. Hodur conscecrated 9-29-07 St Gertrude's Cathedral, Holland. Consecrators: Most Rev Gerald Gull,Archbp, Utrecht, head of the Old Cath Churches, Europe; Rt Rev John Van Thiel, Bp, Haarlem;Rt Rev Michael Bartholomew Spit Bp, Deventer.
bschd 3 years ago
is there anything we must do to transfer our roman rites to PNCC old catholic rites?
caydamien02 3 years ago
in regards to being a clergyman?
padreegan 3 years ago
as priest and as layman-both..?
caydamien02 3 years ago
as a layman, all you have to do is join a PNCC parish and meet with the pastor to discuss your sacramental history. For clergy there is a process which should be started by contacting the closest PNCC Diocesan Bishop. Hope this helps.
padreegan 3 years ago
In response to dickglover's question what makes the PNCC "Catholic"?: the Congregation For The Doctrine Of The Faith declared priests ordained by the Polish National Catholic Church are valid and approved by John Paul II; cf James Flynn, VALIDITY OF HOLY ORDERS ACKNOWLEDGED. PNCC's ordination of priests are valid regardless of the approval and affirmation of the Congregation and John Paul II.
bschd 3 years ago
The Polish National Catholic Church is a democratic American institution; it declares each parish owns, controlls & administers all parish property; selects its pastor; elects bishops; pays pastoral & all salaries; elects one delegate for every fifty members to the General Synod which has ultimate legislative authority within its Constituion as adopted by the laity; Mass is in Polish or English; priests marry if they choose; does not recognize the infallibility of the pope, who is a mortal man.
bschd 3 years ago
Search for Polish National Catholic Church on the internet to learn about its history, religious orders, references, bibilographies, etc etc
bschd 3 years ago
The Polish National Catholic Church has members in the six figues, considerably more than stated.
bschd 3 years ago
does pncc do confessions to god only or to god and priest
bamboorules 3 years ago
pncc does confessions only to God not to a mortal man such as a priest.
bschd 3 years ago
The PNCC until recently was in full communion with the Protestant Episcopalians/Anglicans. Like the Anglicans, they broke away from Catholic unity to form an ethno-centric Christian denomination centred around their Polish national identity. Today it is a complete anachronism, and yet another of the protestant sects that picks and chooses what it wants to believe according to its own convenience.
dickglover 3 years ago
Unfortunately, dickglover is is error, whether by ignorance or bias. 1. the PNCC is not a Protestant sect; 2. its religious beliefs and orders are based on fundamental precepts not on what it wants to believe according to its own convenience. I suggest dickglover do his homework.
bschd 3 years ago
can you define a Protestant sect for me please? What are the fundamental precepts it is based on? What makes it "Catholic"?
dickglover 3 years ago
The PNCC may have valid orders and sacraments, but so did Judas Iscariot.
dickglover 3 years ago
This is why we never will get anywhere in uniting Christianity again.
padreegan 3 years ago 2
In response to dickglover: the Roman Catholic Church may have valid orders and sacraments, but so did Judas Iscariot.
bschd 3 years ago
But the Catholic Church in Communion with the Holy See maintains a direct and unbroken link with the Apostolic College. The PNCC is a splinter sect which changed Catholic teachings and practice in respects it found convenient. That is where your analogy fails.
dickglover 3 years ago
Sorry im a Roman Catholic as well.. but i studied apostolic succession more than you. once a bishop consecreated and ordained a priest or bishop..they alredy passed the apostolic succession thru anointing. as long as you practice the Catholic sacraments, belief and faith.. you are catholic. the orthodox and old catholic understood that if today, the pope kissed the muslim Quran, u wouldnt do the same. if today the pope says priest can become politician or join masonry. would you obey him?
caydamien02 3 years ago
These are our Catholic brothers! They might not be in full communion with Rome, nevertheless they are our brothers and sisters just a smidge misguided. We must show them the light! There heart are in the right place just a bit misguided
dogelan 3 years ago
The PNCC is one of the few non-Catholic churches that has valid sacraments.
seltian 3 years ago
While I do agree with your statement about the PNCC having valid sacraments, I feel that you are incorrect in stating "one of the few non-Catholic", when it is in fact that very Catholicity of the PNCC that gives the Church valid sacraments. The PNCC is not "non-Catholic" not "Roman" yes, but most certainly Catholic.
padreegan 3 years ago
I don't like to use the term "Roman" to refer to my Church, thou. Roman is a term used often in reference to the Catholic Church by anti-Catholics who believe that the Church is some sort of "Roman-Babylon." In fact, I'm pretty sure that "Roman Catholic" is not the name of our Church, but of one individual rite of our Church.
seltian 3 years ago
Your Church is the "Roman" or "Latin Rite" of the Catholic Church. Just as there is "Eastern Rite" Catholics or "Polish National" Catholics, but nonetheless are all equally "Catholic". To say that the Roman Church is the only Catholic Church is a false statement.
padreegan 3 years ago
Mkay. I'll try to be more inclusive.
seltian 3 years ago
There is one CATHOLIC church made up of the Latin Church and 22 Eastern Churches. The PN"C"c is not one a part of the Catholic Church.
thekrazed12 3 years ago
In addition, the Sacraments on Confession and Marraige (validity) are doubtful due to a lack of ordinary jurisdiction.
thekrazed12 3 years ago
well the, you better pray for all of those Roman Catholics who received their last communion and anointing from PNCC priests who are hospital chaplains. Also all those soldiers who have received the sacraments from PNCC priests who are military chaplains. Also, you need to write to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and inform them that their decision based on the RC/PNCC dialog are wrong because YOU said so.
God Bless!
padreegan 3 years ago
Hey, where can I find more information regarding their decision?
bobbyke31 3 years ago
there are two books that were published "Journeying Together in Christ" vol. 1 and 2. These are available through the PNCC bookstore, call the National Church Center to place an order. Also, there is some info via the United States Conference of Catholic Bishop website in the Ecumenical Dialog section. Hope this helps!
padreegan 3 years ago
I like the open acceptance of Christians in this church of people who felt neglected or oppressed in certain respects by their previous denomination.
episcopal33 4 years ago
The PNCC and the Roman Church have been in dialogue since 1984, and have made several statements regarding the validity of orders and sacraments. There are some issues keeping the two churches from full communion, but nevertheless there is a great working relationship between the two faiths.
padreegan 4 years ago 4
As a Roman Catholic, I always attend All Saint's Cathedral(PNCC) in Chicago, when I am there. It is a great union of faith and our two Churches are really ecclesiastically one-
poitrenaud 4 years ago
i hope the PNCC never returns to Rome cause whos to say if they will let us keep our traditions look at the Greek Catholic church dey used to have married clergy now they are celibate we won't have that union of people as we do now
BigPolishMike14 2 years ago
The Greek Catholics still have married clergy. I like not far from a Ukrainian Catholic seminary and all many of them are married with children.
TenderTrap86 2 years ago
Truth is not a majority votes and Pathetic disagreements due to inflated egos are not a justification to jump up and start your own "tailored" church. Christ Created 1 church, the Catholic Church, not a church for each believer.
roman4111111 4 years ago
You are correct, the inflated ego belonged to the Roman Bishops...and technically the Eastern Church was first.
padreegan 4 years ago
The original Catholic Church was neither in Rome nore in the East (Russia, Polan, Ukraine etc.) It is actually Caucasian. The Armenians were the first to have Catholicism. So be it as it may the original Church is Armenian Catholic.
tkaminsk 3 years ago
acutally it's Armenian Apostalic Orthodox and yes it could be that they were the first original church cause look at the similar things they do that the Roman and Orthodox churches do as well
BigPolishMike14 2 years ago
Just your usual run of the mill schismatics that want to find a church specifically tailored to them, life is not a cafeteria nor is God the chef!
roman4111111 4 years ago
Interestingly enough roman4111111, the PNCC and the Roman Church have a limited communal sharing...read your pew missal. Yes the PNCC is separated from Rome, however even Rome cannot deny the validity of the orders and sacraments of the PNCC!
padreegan 4 years ago
I did not mention anything about the validity of orders or the sacraments. I merely mentioned that the PNCC is basically a concoction that was designed to suite one group, due to them disliking certain "Roman" issues. The PNCC was actually formed by most proud Polish gentry in America that disliked the treatment they got from the local Catholics. Now since the PNCC has lost it's anchorage with the bark of Peter it will merly float away down the rapids of the world.
roman4111111 4 years ago
Can a Polish National Catholic commune in a Roman Catholic church or the other way around? Seems to me they are pretty much the same.
bobbyke31 3 years ago
The short answer is yes. There is Sacramental Hospitality between the Roman and Polish National Catholic Churches.
padreegan 3 years ago
The short answer is yes. There is Sacramental Hospitality between the Roman and Polish National Catholic Churches.
padreegan 3 years ago
No because whoever eats the Lamb outside the True Church commits a mortal sin
thekrazed12 3 years ago
I don't know that that's true. In an emergency, we're allowed to go to PNCC and Eastern Orthodox masses.
seltian 3 years ago
@thekrazed12 Eastern Orthodox Churches are Also TRUE Churches because they consider the Pope a type of Bishop who is partly in communion with Constantinople. But Orthodox churches are DEFECTIVE because they do not give FULL AUTHORITY or INFALLIBILITY to the Bishop of Rome. Eastern Orthodox churches were never entirely Excommunicated by Rome because Constantinople stil considers the ROMAN POPE a type of BISHOP. And Because of the History of Poland Ukraine and the Eastern Rite Catholics.
MsPerogi 2 months ago