anti-woman. End of story. All the women who are pro-life are anti-women too. Once you deny a woman's rights to her own body, YOU'RE ANTI-WOMAN. And if you're anti-woman, I have absolutely no respect for you and anyone who's educated also has no respect for you. No one asks to be born. No one. You didn't and your parents didn't and your grandparents didn't. Get that in your pathetic head.
Listen, asswipe, it's incredibly sexist to assume that in order to have balls (a masculine characteristic) means having courage. I'm a female, you stupid stupid prick, but I have more figurative balls than your miniscule mind could ever comprehend. Not everyone believes in "god", retard, therefore it is completely unfair to impose your God views on others. If you're not a woman you absolutely have no right to vote on whether or not abortion should be legal. If you're pro-life, you're
Umm fact check it's babies, bro, not babys. If abortion were to become illegal and a woman illegally obtained an abortion from a doctor, what should her punishment be? And the doctor's? If you're a male you have no right to have an opinion on abortion. End of story.
@edgeofthewoods Every man has not only the right but the God given moral responsibility to defend the defenseless. The feminists have stolen your b@lls, "bro."
@dbreidenbach Answer what I asked if a woman is raped and becomes are you saying that she has no say in the matter and will be chained to a gurney and forced to give birth Yes or No is all that is needed
@garak99 I've counseled women who've been raped. No one has forced them to be chained to a bed and forced to give birth Straw man for a poor argument. Nice try, you're wrong.
@garak99 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
@dbreidenbach Are you opposed to Capital Punishment too or are you like that Idiot TX Governor who is "The Most Pro Life Candidate" unless you count those 230+ executions he OK's
@garak99 I am pro life from conception to natural death. So the answer is yes, opposed. And you are still wrong, regardless of which useless argument you try to put forth.
@danvpgohs Not at all but if your mom chose not to carry to term I am glad she did but it is her choice you cannot force ever woman to do same as I said it is a choice. Are you Mom and Women still in contact or friends ?
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@fintyrock You can't lose a friend when you were never friends in the first place. You're worse than the "that fetus was the next president!" anti-choicers.
@MsSeaKittens Fetus means "Offspring", not thing, not a collection of cells, not something that will become a human 9 months after a man and woman have sexual relations, but "offspring" mean that it is a human being in the womb of a woman growing, developing and alive.
@kneesocksbananapants We believe that the unborn child has the Right to live and not be put to death by any self-serving person. Only the law defines this. We are striving to overturn a law that has only recently been put into place (Roe v. Wade) so that these children can live. A comparison to the slaves IS RELEVANT here as it deals with Rights and the declaration of a human life (then slaves not considered persons, now unborn children not considered persons). Let us fight.
I've seen comments stating abortion saves lives? Hm. How? Very VERY rarely is an abortion done to save the life of the mother. Fact is abortion increases the risk of death regardless of legal or illegalstudies suggests that women who abort face a 50% increase in breast cancer. If the woman has a family history of breast cancer, this rate doubles with each successive abortion, if the woman is under 18 or over 30 years of age when the abortion takes place
Abruptio Placenta is a condition in pregnancy where the sac holding the baby (the placenta) tears away from the uterine lining. This can result in extreme and severe life-threatening bleeding. Women who have experienced abortion have a 600% increase in their risk for Abruptio Placenta in future pregnancies
Abortion causes sterility in 2-5% of the women who have an abortion
Studies point out that the risk of an ectopic or tubal (not in the uterus but in the tubes that lead to the uterus) ;pregnancy is 30% higher for women who have had one abortion, and up to four times higher for women with two or more abortions.
When a woman has an Ectopic pregnancy she has a 12% risk of dying in a future pregnancy
Planned Parenthood is a corporate enterprise only interested in one thing. Your money in the amount of $1,000,000 a day in your tax dollars. They publish misleading information, have been found guilty of medicaid fraud In 2008, an action against Planned Parenthood affiliates in California was brought by Victor Gonzalez under the False Claims Act (FCA), 31 U.S.C. § 3729, on behalf of the United States. In California alone in 6 years they intentionally overbilled the government $180,000,000
!998, a 13 yo girl was raped by her foster brother.He took the young girl to Planned Parenthood Northern AZ.for an abortion. The clinic subsequently failed to notify authorities about the sexual abuseThe sexual abuse continued, and the girl came into PPCNA for a second abortion six months later. Later, the abused girl filed a lawsuit, arguing that but for PPCNA’s negligence in failing to notify authorities of the sexual abuse. In 2003, PPCNA was found guilty of negligence.
I dont believe anyone has an unalienable right to anything, as it would imply an all-powerful right-giver. But I have chosen to be a humanist, so the progressive concept of human rights fits well into the ethical code I have created for myself. But enough about me. What I stated was that in the DOI the founders made an unsolicited statement about equality for all, but then turned around and did not put that into practice for large segments of the population.
@maxskinnies01 but I think that it's horrendous. I don't think that two people should even have the right to have sexual relations unless they're both prepared to raise a baby (AKA married). because that is unfair to the third party involved in reproduction. (laugh at me all you want ^_^)
There is no real discrimination, because a fetus is not a living child. Yes, there is the possibility to the fetus to be brought to term, but if a fetus were born at the latest stage of possible abortion without required special circumstances (12 weeks), would that fetus be able to survive?
And yes, morals as in: if someone believes it is right or wrong ( which is really up to the individual), sex in public, not really illegal, indecent exposure, maybe. firework in your living room, maybe not
be the smartest move, but still not illegal. If they set fire to your apartment, there is the possibility of being charged with reckless endangerment, but still, these examples are really not relevant to the topic at hand. The fact of the mater is that a fetus is not a living human being, yes a fetus is living, yes it could BECOME a fully functioning human being, no it is not murder to abort a fetus, viable or un-viable. I say this mostly because a fetus has no present thought or significant
brain activity. Your personal rights thankfully do not over power mine and vise versa. It is my choice if I want to have a child or not, and if I become pregnant for whatever reason, I feel that someone who will have absolutely no involvement with this potential child's life has absolutely no bearing on whether or not I decide to keep it, or whether or not I should have to. Hope this clears it up!
@maxskinnies01 "The fact of the matter is that a fetus is not a living human being". This is 100% false. Whether or not you ever realize the ridiculousness of this statement, someday the truth will be undeniably revealed. For curiosity's sake, if it is living but not human - what is it? Because it's definitely not a part of the mother's body because it has different DNA, can grow independently, and half the time even is a different gender. So what is it?
@PhilosophyJunky It is a fetus, a human fetus yes, but at 12 weeks can a fetus survive on its own? I have asked this before but no one ever answers it. The answer is no. A 12 week old human fetus can not survive. It is not a child but it does have the potential to become one. Does that justify every pregnancy coming to terms because it COULD be a human being. No. Not by any means. Because pregnancy does not just involve the fetus, it is the mother, possibly the father and all those afterwards...
@maxskinnies01 Please honestly consider how dependence for survival determines the biological species of a living thing. I do not say this because I am angry at you or want to fight - I simply want to pursue truth. And I find it very difficult to understand how dependency changes what a living thing is. There are many infants and elderly humans who are dependent on other things and people to survive - this does not mean they are not human. I honestly think that to be more logical you have to -c-
@PhilosophyJunky Hi PJ, I did not assume anyones response to me thus far is angry or the like but more interested in having an intelligent debate. Now on to what you have said. I believe you have confused "dependency" with viability, two very different things. A fetus at 12 weeks of age has no chance of survival because it does not have fully developed organs ect. If you are still confused I would suggest searching multiple site that can inform you of the developmental stages of pregnancy.
@maxskinnies01 I am not confused or ignorant. I am being respectful, so I ask you to do the same. I am very informed on fetal development - that is the very reason I defend the truth I am advocating. It is a biological fact that life begins at conception - two haploid cells making one whole, complete diploid cell. You stated that it is a "fact that a fetus is not human", then followed that by saying "it is a human fetus". I apologize if it makes me ignorant if I think that is contradictory. -c-
@maxskinnies01 Whether or not a human being can survive on its own does not determine if it is worthy of life. A fetus at 12 weeks of age DOES have a very good chance of survival if we just leave it alone, let nature nurture it, and don't tear it limb from limb. If an infant is born with a deformed heart, we perform surgery to fix it because it did not fully develop - that does not mean that the infant is not a person. You seem to think that how well formed my liver is determines my humanity.
@PhilosophyJunky Again, you still seem to be confused, or purposefully miss construing what I am saying. So lets take this step by step with questions. 12 weeks is the legal limit of abortion, would you agree?
@maxskinnies01 I'm sorry, I don't mean to necessarily butt in, but I think what PJ is trying to say is that a pregnant woman carries a HUMAN fetus. therefore it is human.... that has been clearly stated quite a few times. and I think PJ is saying that humans deserve the right to live. no matter what stage of development they're in, whether it has to do with "dependency" or not.
@maxskinnies01 if my grandmother gets Altimeters, it's not my fault and it's surely not hers either, but now she's dependent on me. Now comes my choice;
@maxskinnies01 I can take care of her myself (if only because she's my flesh and blood) or I can easily send her off to a nursing home. and it's kind of the same thing for a baby, you don't HAVE to keep little him or her, you can easily make some childless couple happy or something, and you don't even have to pay for their lives after they're gone, like you would for your grandma.
@maxskinnies01 it's not their fault you had sex without being ready to raise a child, and even if you were raped (which accounts for less than %.01 of pregnancy's in America) it's still not somehow the baby/fetus's fault. I don't think your personal rights should overlap the baby's. I don't think it's right to kill a baby or grandma just because you can't be bothered to take care of/find a decent home for them.
@rita911911 :S How old are you (serious question)? "I don't think your personal rights should overlap the baby's" you do realize the irony in saying this right? By saying this, you are stating that the fetus has more rights than an adult woman. Also there are many other reasons for people to have abortions than just careless sex. Such as a pregnancy they may kill the mother, a still born or fetus that would have little to no brain activity when born ect. What do you say to those cases.
@maxskinnies01 Please stop calling people ignorant or questioning their age and maturity level and focus on what we are trying to discuss. By saying the mother's rights should not overlap the babies does not mean rita is implying that the baby has MORE rights, he/she is implying that the baby has EQUAL rights. Both the mother and baby are human beings, at different stages of development. Furthermore, these "other reasons" you state for having an abortion account for less than 1% of pregnancies.
@PhilosophyJunky thanks for defending me, but I honestly was trying to sound simple minded... I thought it might help skinnies understand it a little better.
@maxskinies01 acctually I think the word "careless" explains the type of sex that leads to un-wanted children very nicely. I know the modern mindset of sex doesn't usually connect it with it's timeless counter parts marriage (which includes love and commitment) and MAKING BABIES, because now there's all these new ways to have "safe sex"
@maxskinnies01 But to respond to these cases, nothing justifies purposely killing a human being. A baby with a brain deformation is still a human being - we need to love them, not kill them. In cases where the pregnancy would kill the mother - any procedure that would increase her chances without directly killing the baby is moral. Even if the said procedure has a 99% chance of resulting in the death of the baby, if the aim is to save both it is okay. Abortion is just killing to save a life.
@maxskinnies01 As a medical student, I can tell you there is virtually no situation when there is not some other procedure option. People in this RARE situation choose abortion because the doctors tell them it's okay and it is easier than the guilt of then humanizing the baby.
@maxskinnies01 QUOTE "I don't think your personal rights should overlap the baby's" you do realize the irony in saying this right? By saying this, you are stating that the fetus has more rights than an adult woman" That statement DOES NOT state the unborn have more rights. It states that the unborn child's right to life are equal.
@maxskinnies01 accept that the fetus of a human IS human, but try to argue that it is not deserving of life if it is unwanted, in order to support abortion. Please, again, what is a fetus if it is not a human? What species is it?
@PhilosophyJunky You seem to be ignoring my argument and continually asking me the same question despite me being polite enough to answer you. If you can not understand my answer because it is not in plain enough English, please let me know. But if you choose to remain ignorant and decide that the best way to debate is to beat a dead horse I plead you to move on and find a better argument.
Define fetus, then define infant, toddler, pre-pubescent, pubescent, pre-adolescent, adolescent, then adult. Each is a developmental stage of a human life. The use of the term "fetus" is nothing more than the de-humanizing of a developing HUMAN Life. The actual medical term fetus is latin for young one.
@RoryFlick I think what they mean is that a fetus doesn't have consciousness. A heart can beat without a brain. A liver can work without a brain. But there is no evidence that there is any consciousness until a brain enters the picture, and brains don't even BEGIN to form until the 8th week of pregnancy.
@GammaCorps Actually brain development begins at 16 days with the formation and closure (at 27 days) of the neural tube and has already begun its transformation into the brain and spinal cord of the child
I am glad they are telling these Young Men and Women about abortion.
They can then make the decisions for themselves if they want an abortion or not. The question is why take away the choice? Is it a power thing? Is it I am better than you? Is it my morals are greater? Is it my opinion is superior?
How about you live your life and I will live mine. And I will not make decisions for you and I hope you will allow me to make mine.
@YTRedActed would you want someone to intervene if i wanted to shoot you? Thats all pro lifers are doing, intervening for the babys to save their lives
And that is your opinion. Just as forcing a woman to have a child because you have an opinion. What if it was my opinion to make sure only married couples who want a child I force you to wear a permanent Penis shield? That way you can't get an erection and you can't masturbate you can only procreate as needed.
How would that feel "Bro" would you have the balls to wear that all your F***ing life unless you are making a child? At best you are 3/5 human.
This is a very unfortunate video.... It is sad that these people feel it necessary to attempt to remove my personal freedoms and rights because they believe something different than I do.... If you don't like abortion... don't have one...
@maxskinnies01 Max, what of your personal freedom/right to drive while drunk or run a stoplight? Or to have a campfire in a dry forest next to a large city during a drought? Or to have sex in the middle of a city playground? Or to blow off fireworks within the confines of your apartment?
When our personal freedoms and rights present harm to others, that is when they stop being our right. Abortion harms a living human being who is alive and has a fundamental unalienable right to keep their life.
@Minxcomix But there is a major difference between a FETUS, and a living child. Your believes, thankfully, do not overpower my right to choose if I want to allow this FETUS to grow into a living child. There is a major difference between driving drunk, which is wrong and having sex, using fire works ectera in the manor in which you stated. Driving drunk is the law, everything else is just influenced by moral code, and not everyone has or flows on the same morals. that also does not make a
person right or wrong if they do not follow YOUR moral code. The fact of the matter is is that it is my body, it IS my right to choose weather I would or wouldn't not like to to bring a child into this world. Abortion is a form of birth control, like it or not. So are you against strictly abortion or birth control all together?
@maxskinnies01 Since the 70s over 50 million abortions have occureed, that is worse than what the jews went through. You women that think the life of that baby is just up to you are nothing but killers. This country deserves to be punished for the evil, vile, wickedness that goes on here.
@jason1984m26 I find it quite tasteless that you would compare the death of millions of established beings due to a number of contributing ignorances to the abortion of a fetus that has no cohesive mental thought... I am going to guess that you are a religious person, are you not Jason1984m26? Please to inform me, why do you feel it is your right to choose over the person who is going to have to care, nurture these children once they are born? Does the means of how this woman become pregnant
have any impact on your stance for abortion? Why is the death of a fetus so bad? Are you against miscarriage as well? Does the desires of these woman make no difference? If these woman do "complete the pregnancy" but give the child up for adoption, is that better? I am sincerely asking you these questions as I would prefer to debate with someone who's argument I am fully aware of.
@maxskinnies01 "But there is a major difference between a FETUS, and a living child." Oh? Is a fetus growing within a woman's womb not her child? Is it not alive? What is this "major difference" of which you speak?
The other part of your comment is a bit disjointed, and I'm sorry I was unable to fully comprehend the points you were trying to make. Would you please clarify? Thank you.
@Minxcomix The major difference between a FETUS, and a living child is that a living child has been brought to term. And no, a fetus is not a child YET, it does have the potential, so choose the person bearing the fetus to become one if the fetus is viable. But as it stands, a fetus is not a child, it is a fetus. Also what part of my comment was "disjointed?" Maybe you just lack the ability to comprehend things that are farther than your intellectual reach? j/k. Please quote. Night! Go Nucks Go!
@maxskinnies01 So it is o.k. to discriminate against humans and take their lives based on their age and/or stage of human development?
The rest is confusing, you were saying that drunk driving is wrong, but having sex in public is simply a matter of morals? Drunk driving is "the law" but sex in public...? What?? And blowing off fireworks in one's apartment is a matter of morals??? I don't know. I wasn't following your statement...it was disjointed I thought. Could you clarify?
@Minxcomix I completely support these last few comments you've made that I've seen. Your logic is sound. I'm always impressed when I see people who can argue for what is right without verbally attacking the people who oppose them. Being objective is crucial. We need more people who understand how to have this discussion like you do. Keep it up.
@PhilosophyJunky Thank you for the kind words. Honest convictions on any side of debate have no need for hurtful statements, tho I can understand how some can be hurt in regards to abortion on both sides of the matter. Personally however I believe that if I start to feel a desire to put someone down in regards to anything, I need to take a good look at my pov to find out why.
The more I learn about logic and science, the more I realise that the are no good arguments for abortion, and that the arguments against it are sound and valid.
For those undecided, Peter Kreeft has a 12-step argument against abortion that has never been defeated.
Not to mention the usual 3-step syllogism used.
Both of these can be found on youtube, though I think it's better to read them
But it's sad to see decent women and men not protesting those wingnuts more often and more vociferously. Do women think this right is secure? Are they really willing to surrender their bodies to the male Christian establishment? Personally I simply don't trust them enough, they've shown themselves to be so selfish and women-hating, that I simply don't want them to make decisions for me, especially on such matters. It's a whole culture of women empowerment that must be built among young women.
"Pro-life' really means anti-women and anti-humanity for half of humans on this earth. It's sad to see young people playing dangerous games with women's lives, depriving them of choice and of very real options in life. And no, abortion will not end in our lifetime, nor at any point in the future. For the very good reason that banning abortions doesn't end them. It only drives them to the back alley, making them unsafe, putting at risk the lives of women undergoing them. Shameful.
I have to say this video is a joke. My generation does not have the same values as the religious right in America. We believe in fairness and equality and that a woman has the right to determine if she wants to go through with a pregnancy or not. This is not going to change and as more of us enter the electorate it is going to be harder and harder for religious dogmatists to impose their anti-choice will on women. I stand with Planned Parenthood!
I would never advocate taking a life, but at the same time, "Pro-Lifer's" as they like to call themselves are ridiculously bent on imposing their will on others. It's not your body or your life, live your own to the standard you seek and other's will follow. Beyond that STFU.
Second, why do pro-lifer's focus so narrowly on abortion? It's not the problem. The problem is a lack of social support for young mothers so they don't feel like their choices are abortion or adoption.
abortion will never end in the world, only legalities around whether the right to have the procedure done safely or not. it is unrealistic and idealistic to think that abortions will ever really end. it's like prostitution, go ahead and outlaw it, won't stop though, good luck
educate people on their CHOICES however, and maybe they'll make responsible ones.
to be anti-birth control & antiabortion is ludicrous.
yes, another no-win situation for women which is what being antiabortion is about. women still have only one major purpose in life in the patriachial world:: having babies.
ladies wake up: you're taking the rights generations of women have fought so hard for granted. once lost, you may never regain them.
pt 2: unless you're a virgin, guys, it's hypocritical to be prolife, as your sexual activity just may have caused a female to get pregnant & have an aborton w/o your knowledge. keep your legs together as you preach to a female & it will decrease abortions.
yes i agree w abstinence; being a 46 yr female i have abstained only because i don't want a pregnancy. if i did tragically become pregnant due to rape i wouldn't hesistate to have an abortion
abstinence is fine if parents have the guts to demand theirs sons remain chaste till marriage since teenage guys still in their right to sex either by forcing or coherence.
When I see a room full of people smiling and clapping because they all agree that a raped 9-year-old girl should be forced to give birth to an AIDS baby, I get angry. "Pro-life" is just another term for "morally retarded".
I hate it when people claim that abstinence is 100% effective. No it's not. Look at Bristol Palin. It merely isn't a natural or realistic proposition and it would be way better if we could encourage birth control and condoms and other things that would negate the need for abortion. A person with a uterus doesn't want an abortion like a new pair of shoes, they want it as much as an animal wants to gnaw off their own leg when ensnared in a foothold trap.
@PhilosophyJunky Actually, you're leaving out something a lot of condom and birth control statistics leave in.... Human error. People make mistakes all the time, especially teenagers. If they give in to temptation and one of them happens to get pregnant, then what you said is false. It's better to promote safe and consensual sex, then just say "don't do it". Look at how well that's turned out for drinking and drugs.
Can we agree that if there is a God then He is reflected in His creation? If so, then He is beautiful and creates beautifully. I see no evidence of abortion in nature or His nature. I see peace, harmony and trust.
It would be refreshing if someone from the pro-abortion side of the argument would be intellectually honest. If there was no perceived need for abortion would you support the act itself? The act itself of abortion is not loving or kind...it is horrendous butchery. It is death.
@PhilosophyJunky ... They're not saving lives. They're telling women what to do with their bodies. That's a battle these kids will NEVER win. Instead, how about helping children who are already born and are homeless and starving? How about doing something to prevent child abuse? How about helping children stay in school and stay out of gangs? How about helping to prevent children from becoming drug addicts? All of these things are truly pro-LIFE initiatives.
@emantabrizi Much of the activism SFL does overlaps in many of these areas I believe. But fetuses are not part of a woman's body. A very intimate connection, obviously, but not an extension of the mother's flesh. It is unique and different.
@PhilosophyJunky ... Does the fetus need the mother's body in order to survive? Yes. Therefore, it IS a part of her body until it is able to survive on its own. Once again, instead of telling a woman whether or not she should go through with an unwanted pregnancy, why not work on preventing that unwanted pregnancy in the first place? There is nothing honorable about forcing an immature 16-year-old to be a mother when she is clearly incapable of doing so.
@emantabrizi Level of dependency does not determine personhood. Infants need their parents or another person in order to eat and survive - this does not mean they aren't people. SFL does not force people to be 'incapable mothers', they defend every person's right to live. Adoption is a beautiful option.
@PhilosophyJunky ... That is not the same thing. Once a baby is born, it can be cared for by someone other than the mother. However, another woman cannot carry someone else's fetus. By saying adoption is a "beautiful option," you are assuming that every woman can look at an unwanted pregnancy objectively, which we all know is not true. Millions of future mothers change their minds about adoption during the pregnancy. Guilt can be a powerful motivator.
@emantabrizi So to make sure I understand: If 2 people can care for a baby, it is a person. If only 1 person can care for a baby, then it is another person's body part? That does not sound very scientific to me.
@emantabrizi We've always cared about science. I'd be happy to go more in-depth on how biological reproduction happens, what an independent organism is, how DNA works, and fetal development if you'd like. I'm not sure why people think Pro-Life doesn't like science. Science is the very basis of our position.
@PhilosophyJunky ... Then why is it that Pro-"Lifers" do not protest against birth control pills? Technically speaking, these pills enable women to have abortions on a monthly basis. Yet, I never witness anyone (who isn't Catholic) cry foul. Why is that?
@emantabrizi SFL does act against abortifacients. I'm sorry you haven't noticed, but Pro-Life groups do believe birth control pills that cause abortions are just as wrong. Many Pro-Life people believe all birth control is wrong, but only the birth control that causes abortions are taking the lives of other people. I promise you, that is definitely something Pro-Life groups speak out against, too.
@PhilosophyJunky ... Okay, so abortion is wrong and birth control is wrong. So, you're okay with teenagers becoming mothers? I know you're going to say abstinence is the answer. Sure, that's fine, but far from realistic. Teenagers will continue to have sex. They will continue to have accidental pregnancies. What then? You want a nation of unwed, single mothers living on welfare? Is that your idea of progress? Is that your idea of "pro-life?"
@emantabrizi If we keep telling teenagers that abstinence is unrealistic, then it will be unrealistic. It is not impossible, anyone can do it. And things tend to work out pretty well for those who do practice abstinence until marriage. But, assuming it is impossible like you say, then having more single mothers is infinitely better than killing thousands of human beings every day. Which would you rather have be the worst case scenario: poverty or genocide??
@PhilosophyJunky ... Who is telling teenagers that abstinence is UNrealistic? That's not what is being taught in schools. It's quite the opposite. Teenagers are told everyday that abstinence is the answer. Some listen, some don't, and that's how it's always going to be. You will never have 100% abstinence among teenagers. Why? Because it goes against human biology.
@emantabrizi Goes against human biology??? What goes against human biology more than abortion??? Killing our offspring while they are still growing inside of us sounds like a totally natural thing to do...
@PhilosophyJunky ... Actually, it is. Ever heard of a miscarriage? If God thinks it's okay to abort a baby, then why don't you? =) Look at it this way...at least we don't EAT our offspring after they're born as some animals do.
@edgeofthewoods I don't see how that refutes the fact that NARAL lied to the Supreme Court and lied to this country about the amount of back alley abortions. But it is beside the point. Can we agree that IF the unborn are persons, that we should protect their life and need social changes to realize the value of those lives? IF?
You people make no sense because you're looking at this from a one-sided perspective! Than and you have virtually no experience of life!!
My wife and I chose to abort her 2nd pregnancy at around 3-5 weeks, because after she gave birth to our son, the doctors did such a crappy job of stitching her up, she lost 2 litres of blood! We were told there could be a risk that she could die if she proceeded with the 2nd pregnancy. So while I support your cause, it also needs radical realignment!
Most women don't regret having abortions. I understand your opposition to abortion, if it were up to me and I could magically make it so that no woman would ever have to choose whether or not to have an abortion I WOULD. That will never happen, though. And we have to deal with it.
Women had to go out of the country to get abortions if they needed one before abortion was legal, which is terrible. That alone refutes any "propaganda" you're telling me about. Women need access to safe abortions otherwise they'll find a way (often unsafe) to get one.
Aborting a fetus and killing a child are not the same thing. I know it's hard for you to grasp, but just think about it. If you're going to be completely opposed to one thing like you are, you have to know the other side of the issue just as well. You clearly don't.
LOL! You're the joke. You're pro-life and you think that means you're pro-family when really it means the opposite. Your ignorance honestly does make me smile.
Unfortunately you're stupider than I thought. A born infant is fully conscious. An unborn one IS NOT CONSCIOUS! I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding that. If abortion were made illegal, women would get them anyway, which would cause the death of the women AND their unborn children. That's even worse.
~How would illegal abortion cause any more deaths then we have with legal abortion? Would we suddenly lose all medical advancements of the last 40 yrs?
~Less women would choose illegal abortion because the majority of people choose to be law abiding, so how would there be more deaths?
~If however you are correct and illegal abortion would "cause the death of the woman", you think we'd seek them anyways knowing we'd be killed?
It makes me so mad that you think women would be law abiding when it comes to abortion were it to be made illegal. Look at women and abortions BEFORE ROE V. WADE. Women went to incredibly extreme life altering dangerous measures to get abortions they NEEDED. Would making abortion illegal stop women from getting abortions? I know you like to think it would but IT WOULD NOT. I hope to all that is nature you're not a woman. That would really surprise me.
@edgeofthewoods Casey Anthony agrees with you. If killing your child were made legal, she wouldn't be on trial. She would still be partying with her friends. Why should she be responsible for taking care of her child. Killing Caylee freed her up to do what she wanted. You and Casey have a lot in common. Lack of responsibility and selfishness
@edgeofthewoods With all respect, in regards to your last comment about abortions before Roe v. Wade, I would encourage you to read about Dr. Bernard Nathanson. Much of this impression of "abortions before Roe v. Wade" comes from the propaganda campaign he and the other founders of NARAL ran during that court case. He has since become Pro-Life and come out about the ways they lied to convince people that abortions were wildly out of control. They smudged made up numbers and it is mostly a lie.
@edgeofthewoods NARAL's "estimated" numbers were fabricated for RvW. Nathanson fabricated them and has since admitted to this under oath. It is important for you to know that you are basing your opinion on a lie.
Many women by their own testimony (silentnomoreawareness) state they chose abortions because it was legal and therefore they believed it must be o.k. They found out too late that it does not make it o.k. They would not have chosen if it were illegal. They would know.
@edgeofthewoods 97% of abortions are "needed" due to non medical/rape concerns. 40 years and nothing has changed, the same "needs" expressed by Weddington in RvW are still the same today, primarily a non supportive society toward pregnant women. Why do we *still have* these damaging societal ills that bring women to the conclusion that taking the life of their child and risking their own is their only option!? Because we have bandaided with abortion and therefore do not "have to" resolve them.
@edgeofthewoods Ummm fact check Unborn babys are conscious of their surroundings. This would be a good argument but... its kinda not true. just google it
Can a fetus tell you what it wants? Can a fetus say "I WANT TO LIVE" like a conscious, FULLY DEVELOPED human can? Nope. It can't. If abortion were to be made illegal, and a woman illegally received an abortion from a doctor, what should her punishment be? First degree murder? Then shouldn't the doctor receive a 2nd degree murder charge? You're unfortunately stupid, my friend.
If you don't want to have a baby then either don't have sex or be more responsible but to murder an innocent life because YOU made a mistake is WRONG! If you become pregnant and don't want the child....look in ANY newspaper. There are THOUSANDS of people who desperately want to adopt a baby. Funny you should speak about Third World Countries. That's where American couples are forced to go in order to adopt a baby because WE KILL OURS!
maybe parents should step up? talk to their kids? if people took responsibility for themselves this wouldnt be an issue! I was very pro choice until i was put in that position. My views have changed. Just because youre a woman that made a mistake doesnt give you the right to get away with murder.
Oh and 500,000 mothers die from pregnancy and childbirth in the World, 100,00 die in the US, the US accounts for 1/5th of the pregnancy related deaths. Should we ban pregnancy next because it's so dangerous? Did you know most of those are because of Christian Pro-Life hospitals who negligently let the mother die with her fetus and sometimes zygote if it's under 10 weeks of pregnancy? As long as the fetus doesn't die right? Please stay with the question and not mention convenience abortions.
@breemystic I hope we can recognize that we are both trying to fight for what we believe is right. I will not attack you, but I am going to respectfully point out what we are fundamentally disagreeing on. First, I'm not sure your statistics are correct, but assuming they are, 100,000 deaths in the U.S. is terrible and we should be trying to find ways to stop these deaths. However, abortion is not a cure. In those circumstances, abortion is trading one life for another -this mind set is dangerous
@breemystic Furthermore, more than 3 times that many deaths legally take place every year through abortion. And the vast majority of these deaths can easily be deemed "unnecessary". In cases of life-threatening pregnancies, Catholic Hospitals will perform any procedure that increases chances of survival for both mother and child, without directly killing the child. A procedure that can help, even if it has a high chance of resulting in the death of the fetus, is better than abortion -c-
@breemystic -c- because abortion is the direct killing of a living human being. No hospital stands and watches a person die (my fiance and I both work in hospitals), they do everything they can to save lives. Catholic hospitals, who realize unborn children are people, do everything they can to save both lives - they do not just stand and watch.
@breemystic You mentioned abortions before RvW. The idea that abortions were out of control before RvW is mostly a myth. I encourage you to read about Dr. Bernard Nathanson, the last living founder of NARAL. He has addressed this issue. Also, your statement about Pro-Lifers not wanting women to have rights is ridiculous. We want them to have every right a man or unborn child has. They have a right over their body, as long as it does not infringe on another persons right to live.
All I can say is abortions will be the same if Roe V. Wade is overturned. 20 million abortions happen in countries where it's illegal. I've read heart wrenching stories about illegal us abortions before Roe V. Wade about all the patients in the hospital due to illegal botched abortions.
Also if you people are creating a culture of life, why do 100,00 mothers die from pregnancy and child birth? Does the mother's life matter to you at all, or is it just the fetus that concerns you?
lol. This is a depressing video, and yet at the same time, hysterical. It's depressing that so many people are pro-life, and yet hysterical that so many are pro-life. They think deny rights to people is a good thing! Hah! That's a sad reality, and a funny one. That's life, though. You just have to ignore the stupid people. So, any smart people reading this, just ignore what happened in the video.
@1ndabag
anti-woman. End of story. All the women who are pro-life are anti-women too. Once you deny a woman's rights to her own body, YOU'RE ANTI-WOMAN. And if you're anti-woman, I have absolutely no respect for you and anyone who's educated also has no respect for you. No one asks to be born. No one. You didn't and your parents didn't and your grandparents didn't. Get that in your pathetic head.
edgeofthewoods 1 month ago
@1ndabag
Listen, asswipe, it's incredibly sexist to assume that in order to have balls (a masculine characteristic) means having courage. I'm a female, you stupid stupid prick, but I have more figurative balls than your miniscule mind could ever comprehend. Not everyone believes in "god", retard, therefore it is completely unfair to impose your God views on others. If you're not a woman you absolutely have no right to vote on whether or not abortion should be legal. If you're pro-life, you're
edgeofthewoods 1 month ago
@danvpgohs
Umm fact check it's babies, bro, not babys. If abortion were to become illegal and a woman illegally obtained an abortion from a doctor, what should her punishment be? And the doctor's? If you're a male you have no right to have an opinion on abortion. End of story.
edgeofthewoods 1 month ago
@edgeofthewoods Every man has not only the right but the God given moral responsibility to defend the defenseless. The feminists have stolen your b@lls, "bro."
1ndabag 1 month ago
Keep up the great work, excellent video. There should be a chapter at every college campus.
dbreidenbach 1 month ago
I respect "Pro Life" but if that includes forcing a woman pregnant do to a rape to carry that pregnancy to term your view is dismissed outright
garak99 1 month ago
@garak99 then you don't respect life, period. You are summarily dismissed.
dbreidenbach 1 month ago
@dbreidenbach Answer what I asked if a woman is raped and becomes are you saying that she has no say in the matter and will be chained to a gurney and forced to give birth Yes or No is all that is needed
garak99 1 month ago
@garak99 I've counseled women who've been raped. No one has forced them to be chained to a bed and forced to give birth Straw man for a poor argument. Nice try, you're wrong.
dbreidenbach 1 month ago
@garak99 You cannot force a woman to give birth to a rapist baby no matter how many laws you attempt to
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@garak99 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
marionetemanJ 1 month ago
@dbreidenbach Are you opposed to Capital Punishment too or are you like that Idiot TX Governor who is "The Most Pro Life Candidate" unless you count those 230+ executions he OK's
garak99 1 month ago
@garak99 I am pro life from conception to natural death. So the answer is yes, opposed. And you are still wrong, regardless of which useless argument you try to put forth.
dbreidenbach 1 month ago
@garak99 Respectfully, this is just a honest question. If my father raped my mother, and i was the product, am I less of a person?
danvpgohs 1 month ago
@danvpgohs Not at all but if your mom chose not to carry to term I am glad she did but it is her choice you cannot force ever woman to do same as I said it is a choice. Are you Mom and Women still in contact or friends ?
garak99 1 month ago
This is awesome... Gives me hope knowing there are lots of people my age trying to end abortion.
Maberunited 1 month ago
Thank you for this video & the hope it brings for the future!
lehighlola 1 month ago
Hey guys I love your videos.
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Carlos101010101 1 month ago
Wow! this is very awesome!
fintyrock 2 months ago
cheat . fuck you all
lover4love4 2 months ago
Awe this made me cry! Am a part of this! :)
puffyclouddd1 3 months ago 2
What a powerful witness to life.
lielavonree 3 months ago
AWESOME! We are God's warriors... in saving God's Gift, Human LIFE!!!
ProBikersForLife 4 months ago
They are changing because they know they lost brothers, sisters, cousins and friends by abortion
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@fintyrock You can't lose a friend when you were never friends in the first place. You're worse than the "that fetus was the next president!" anti-choicers.
MsSeaKittens 5 months ago
@MsSeaKittens But they were still brothers, sisters and cousins.
rassy612 4 months ago
@MsSeaKittens Fetus means "Offspring", not thing, not a collection of cells, not something that will become a human 9 months after a man and woman have sexual relations, but "offspring" mean that it is a human being in the womb of a woman growing, developing and alive.
ColombianGamer1213 4 months ago 12
This is amazing. This horrific outrage is in their capable hands. God bless these young people.
chase82 6 months ago
Listen to this Pro Life Song. Type in "Unborn Angels" into youtube search engine.
321Pots 6 months ago
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Wired4Life2 7 months ago
@roryflick Now THAT's how u debate on YouTube!! Ur my hero, man. God bless :D
Wired4Life2 7 months ago
@kneesocksbananapants We believe that the unborn child has the Right to live and not be put to death by any self-serving person. Only the law defines this. We are striving to overturn a law that has only recently been put into place (Roe v. Wade) so that these children can live. A comparison to the slaves IS RELEVANT here as it deals with Rights and the declaration of a human life (then slaves not considered persons, now unborn children not considered persons). Let us fight.
RoryFlick 7 months ago
I've seen comments stating abortion saves lives? Hm. How? Very VERY rarely is an abortion done to save the life of the mother. Fact is abortion increases the risk of death regardless of legal or illegalstudies suggests that women who abort face a 50% increase in breast cancer. If the woman has a family history of breast cancer, this rate doubles with each successive abortion, if the woman is under 18 or over 30 years of age when the abortion takes place
RoryFlick 7 months ago
Abruptio Placenta is a condition in pregnancy where the sac holding the baby (the placenta) tears away from the uterine lining. This can result in extreme and severe life-threatening bleeding. Women who have experienced abortion have a 600% increase in their risk for Abruptio Placenta in future pregnancies
Abortion causes sterility in 2-5% of the women who have an abortion
RoryFlick 7 months ago
Studies point out that the risk of an ectopic or tubal (not in the uterus but in the tubes that lead to the uterus) ;pregnancy is 30% higher for women who have had one abortion, and up to four times higher for women with two or more abortions.
When a woman has an Ectopic pregnancy she has a 12% risk of dying in a future pregnancy
RoryFlick 7 months ago
Planned Parenthood is a corporate enterprise only interested in one thing. Your money in the amount of $1,000,000 a day in your tax dollars. They publish misleading information, have been found guilty of medicaid fraud In 2008, an action against Planned Parenthood affiliates in California was brought by Victor Gonzalez under the False Claims Act (FCA), 31 U.S.C. § 3729, on behalf of the United States. In California alone in 6 years they intentionally overbilled the government $180,000,000
RoryFlick 7 months ago
!998, a 13 yo girl was raped by her foster brother.He took the young girl to Planned Parenthood Northern AZ.for an abortion. The clinic subsequently failed to notify authorities about the sexual abuseThe sexual abuse continued, and the girl came into PPCNA for a second abortion six months later. Later, the abused girl filed a lawsuit, arguing that but for PPCNA’s negligence in failing to notify authorities of the sexual abuse. In 2003, PPCNA was found guilty of negligence.
RoryFlick 7 months ago
I dont believe anyone has an unalienable right to anything, as it would imply an all-powerful right-giver. But I have chosen to be a humanist, so the progressive concept of human rights fits well into the ethical code I have created for myself. But enough about me. What I stated was that in the DOI the founders made an unsolicited statement about equality for all, but then turned around and did not put that into practice for large segments of the population.
rosecolredwednesdays 8 months ago
@rosecolredwednesdays
Interesting! So you do not believe in the very principles the United States was founded on. Interesting indeed.
RoryFlick 7 months ago
@maxskinnies01 but I think that it's horrendous. I don't think that two people should even have the right to have sexual relations unless they're both prepared to raise a baby (AKA married). because that is unfair to the third party involved in reproduction. (laugh at me all you want ^_^)
rita911911 8 months ago 10
@rita911911 and how do you prevent people from having sex ? cameras in every bedroom in the country ?
garak99 1 month ago
There is no real discrimination, because a fetus is not a living child. Yes, there is the possibility to the fetus to be brought to term, but if a fetus were born at the latest stage of possible abortion without required special circumstances (12 weeks), would that fetus be able to survive?
And yes, morals as in: if someone believes it is right or wrong ( which is really up to the individual), sex in public, not really illegal, indecent exposure, maybe. firework in your living room, maybe not
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
be the smartest move, but still not illegal. If they set fire to your apartment, there is the possibility of being charged with reckless endangerment, but still, these examples are really not relevant to the topic at hand. The fact of the mater is that a fetus is not a living human being, yes a fetus is living, yes it could BECOME a fully functioning human being, no it is not murder to abort a fetus, viable or un-viable. I say this mostly because a fetus has no present thought or significant
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
brain activity. Your personal rights thankfully do not over power mine and vise versa. It is my choice if I want to have a child or not, and if I become pregnant for whatever reason, I feel that someone who will have absolutely no involvement with this potential child's life has absolutely no bearing on whether or not I decide to keep it, or whether or not I should have to. Hope this clears it up!
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 "The fact of the matter is that a fetus is not a living human being". This is 100% false. Whether or not you ever realize the ridiculousness of this statement, someday the truth will be undeniably revealed. For curiosity's sake, if it is living but not human - what is it? Because it's definitely not a part of the mother's body because it has different DNA, can grow independently, and half the time even is a different gender. So what is it?
PhilosophyJunky 8 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky It is a fetus, a human fetus yes, but at 12 weeks can a fetus survive on its own? I have asked this before but no one ever answers it. The answer is no. A 12 week old human fetus can not survive. It is not a child but it does have the potential to become one. Does that justify every pregnancy coming to terms because it COULD be a human being. No. Not by any means. Because pregnancy does not just involve the fetus, it is the mother, possibly the father and all those afterwards...
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 Please honestly consider how dependence for survival determines the biological species of a living thing. I do not say this because I am angry at you or want to fight - I simply want to pursue truth. And I find it very difficult to understand how dependency changes what a living thing is. There are many infants and elderly humans who are dependent on other things and people to survive - this does not mean they are not human. I honestly think that to be more logical you have to -c-
PhilosophyJunky 8 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky Hi PJ, I did not assume anyones response to me thus far is angry or the like but more interested in having an intelligent debate. Now on to what you have said. I believe you have confused "dependency" with viability, two very different things. A fetus at 12 weeks of age has no chance of survival because it does not have fully developed organs ect. If you are still confused I would suggest searching multiple site that can inform you of the developmental stages of pregnancy.
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 I am not confused or ignorant. I am being respectful, so I ask you to do the same. I am very informed on fetal development - that is the very reason I defend the truth I am advocating. It is a biological fact that life begins at conception - two haploid cells making one whole, complete diploid cell. You stated that it is a "fact that a fetus is not human", then followed that by saying "it is a human fetus". I apologize if it makes me ignorant if I think that is contradictory. -c-
PhilosophyJunky 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 Whether or not a human being can survive on its own does not determine if it is worthy of life. A fetus at 12 weeks of age DOES have a very good chance of survival if we just leave it alone, let nature nurture it, and don't tear it limb from limb. If an infant is born with a deformed heart, we perform surgery to fix it because it did not fully develop - that does not mean that the infant is not a person. You seem to think that how well formed my liver is determines my humanity.
PhilosophyJunky 8 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky Again, you still seem to be confused, or purposefully miss construing what I am saying. So lets take this step by step with questions. 12 weeks is the legal limit of abortion, would you agree?
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 I'm sorry, I don't mean to necessarily butt in, but I think what PJ is trying to say is that a pregnant woman carries a HUMAN fetus. therefore it is human.... that has been clearly stated quite a few times. and I think PJ is saying that humans deserve the right to live. no matter what stage of development they're in, whether it has to do with "dependency" or not.
rita911911 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 if my grandmother gets Altimeters, it's not my fault and it's surely not hers either, but now she's dependent on me. Now comes my choice;
rita911911 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 I can take care of her myself (if only because she's my flesh and blood) or I can easily send her off to a nursing home. and it's kind of the same thing for a baby, you don't HAVE to keep little him or her, you can easily make some childless couple happy or something, and you don't even have to pay for their lives after they're gone, like you would for your grandma.
rita911911 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 it's not their fault you had sex without being ready to raise a child, and even if you were raped (which accounts for less than %.01 of pregnancy's in America) it's still not somehow the baby/fetus's fault. I don't think your personal rights should overlap the baby's. I don't think it's right to kill a baby or grandma just because you can't be bothered to take care of/find a decent home for them.
rita911911 8 months ago
@rita911911 :S How old are you (serious question)? "I don't think your personal rights should overlap the baby's" you do realize the irony in saying this right? By saying this, you are stating that the fetus has more rights than an adult woman. Also there are many other reasons for people to have abortions than just careless sex. Such as a pregnancy they may kill the mother, a still born or fetus that would have little to no brain activity when born ect. What do you say to those cases.
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 Please stop calling people ignorant or questioning their age and maturity level and focus on what we are trying to discuss. By saying the mother's rights should not overlap the babies does not mean rita is implying that the baby has MORE rights, he/she is implying that the baby has EQUAL rights. Both the mother and baby are human beings, at different stages of development. Furthermore, these "other reasons" you state for having an abortion account for less than 1% of pregnancies.
PhilosophyJunky 8 months ago 3
@PhilosophyJunky thanks for defending me, but I honestly was trying to sound simple minded... I thought it might help skinnies understand it a little better.
@maxskinies01 acctually I think the word "careless" explains the type of sex that leads to un-wanted children very nicely. I know the modern mindset of sex doesn't usually connect it with it's timeless counter parts marriage (which includes love and commitment) and MAKING BABIES, because now there's all these new ways to have "safe sex"
rita911911 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 But to respond to these cases, nothing justifies purposely killing a human being. A baby with a brain deformation is still a human being - we need to love them, not kill them. In cases where the pregnancy would kill the mother - any procedure that would increase her chances without directly killing the baby is moral. Even if the said procedure has a 99% chance of resulting in the death of the baby, if the aim is to save both it is okay. Abortion is just killing to save a life.
PhilosophyJunky 8 months ago 2
@maxskinnies01 As a medical student, I can tell you there is virtually no situation when there is not some other procedure option. People in this RARE situation choose abortion because the doctors tell them it's okay and it is easier than the guilt of then humanizing the baby.
PhilosophyJunky 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 QUOTE "I don't think your personal rights should overlap the baby's" you do realize the irony in saying this right? By saying this, you are stating that the fetus has more rights than an adult woman" That statement DOES NOT state the unborn have more rights. It states that the unborn child's right to life are equal.
RoryFlick 7 months ago
@maxskinnies01 accept that the fetus of a human IS human, but try to argue that it is not deserving of life if it is unwanted, in order to support abortion. Please, again, what is a fetus if it is not a human? What species is it?
PhilosophyJunky 8 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky You seem to be ignoring my argument and continually asking me the same question despite me being polite enough to answer you. If you can not understand my answer because it is not in plain enough English, please let me know. But if you choose to remain ignorant and decide that the best way to debate is to beat a dead horse I plead you to move on and find a better argument.
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01
"A fetus cannot survive on its own"
Neither can an infant.
RoryFlick 7 months ago
@maxskinnies01
Define fetus, then define infant, toddler, pre-pubescent, pubescent, pre-adolescent, adolescent, then adult. Each is a developmental stage of a human life. The use of the term "fetus" is nothing more than the de-humanizing of a developing HUMAN Life. The actual medical term fetus is latin for young one.
RoryFlick 7 months ago
@maxskinnies01 "a fetus is not a living child"
Mirriam Webster Definition of CHILD 1. a : an unborn or recently born person.
An unborn child is a LIVING Human life at it's earliest of many stages of development.
You are using word play to re-define what is ALREADY defined.
The baby's heart beats on it's own at 18 days. At 7 weeks the child's liver is producing IT"S OWN red blood cells. I could go on if you wish
RoryFlick 7 months ago
@RoryFlick I think what they mean is that a fetus doesn't have consciousness. A heart can beat without a brain. A liver can work without a brain. But there is no evidence that there is any consciousness until a brain enters the picture, and brains don't even BEGIN to form until the 8th week of pregnancy.
GammaCorps 7 months ago
@GammaCorps Actually brain development begins at 16 days with the formation and closure (at 27 days) of the neural tube and has already begun its transformation into the brain and spinal cord of the child
RoryFlick 7 months ago
I am glad they are telling these Young Men and Women about abortion.
They can then make the decisions for themselves if they want an abortion or not. The question is why take away the choice? Is it a power thing? Is it I am better than you? Is it my morals are greater? Is it my opinion is superior?
How about you live your life and I will live mine. And I will not make decisions for you and I hope you will allow me to make mine.
YTRedActed 8 months ago
@YTRedActed would you want someone to intervene if i wanted to shoot you? Thats all pro lifers are doing, intervening for the babys to save their lives
danvpgohs 1 month ago
@danvpgohs
So you can make a determination to not abort your Zygote congratulations.
No what Anti Choice activist are doing is forcing their will and opinion on others.
YTRedActed 1 month ago
@YTRedActed At best the unborn are 3/5 human.
1ndabag 1 month ago
@1ndabag
And that is your opinion. Just as forcing a woman to have a child because you have an opinion. What if it was my opinion to make sure only married couples who want a child I force you to wear a permanent Penis shield? That way you can't get an erection and you can't masturbate you can only procreate as needed.
How would that feel "Bro" would you have the balls to wear that all your F***ing life unless you are making a child? At best you are 3/5 human.
What do you say?
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bo0tsy1 8 months ago
This is a very unfortunate video.... It is sad that these people feel it necessary to attempt to remove my personal freedoms and rights because they believe something different than I do.... If you don't like abortion... don't have one...
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 Max, what of your personal freedom/right to drive while drunk or run a stoplight? Or to have a campfire in a dry forest next to a large city during a drought? Or to have sex in the middle of a city playground? Or to blow off fireworks within the confines of your apartment?
When our personal freedoms and rights present harm to others, that is when they stop being our right. Abortion harms a living human being who is alive and has a fundamental unalienable right to keep their life.
Minxcomix 8 months ago 2
@Minxcomix But there is a major difference between a FETUS, and a living child. Your believes, thankfully, do not overpower my right to choose if I want to allow this FETUS to grow into a living child. There is a major difference between driving drunk, which is wrong and having sex, using fire works ectera in the manor in which you stated. Driving drunk is the law, everything else is just influenced by moral code, and not everyone has or flows on the same morals. that also does not make a
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
person right or wrong if they do not follow YOUR moral code. The fact of the matter is is that it is my body, it IS my right to choose weather I would or wouldn't not like to to bring a child into this world. Abortion is a form of birth control, like it or not. So are you against strictly abortion or birth control all together?
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 Since the 70s over 50 million abortions have occureed, that is worse than what the jews went through. You women that think the life of that baby is just up to you are nothing but killers. This country deserves to be punished for the evil, vile, wickedness that goes on here.
jason1984m26 8 months ago
@jason1984m26 I find it quite tasteless that you would compare the death of millions of established beings due to a number of contributing ignorances to the abortion of a fetus that has no cohesive mental thought... I am going to guess that you are a religious person, are you not Jason1984m26? Please to inform me, why do you feel it is your right to choose over the person who is going to have to care, nurture these children once they are born? Does the means of how this woman become pregnant
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
have any impact on your stance for abortion? Why is the death of a fetus so bad? Are you against miscarriage as well? Does the desires of these woman make no difference? If these woman do "complete the pregnancy" but give the child up for adoption, is that better? I am sincerely asking you these questions as I would prefer to debate with someone who's argument I am fully aware of.
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 "But there is a major difference between a FETUS, and a living child." Oh? Is a fetus growing within a woman's womb not her child? Is it not alive? What is this "major difference" of which you speak?
The other part of your comment is a bit disjointed, and I'm sorry I was unable to fully comprehend the points you were trying to make. Would you please clarify? Thank you.
Minxcomix 8 months ago
@Minxcomix The major difference between a FETUS, and a living child is that a living child has been brought to term. And no, a fetus is not a child YET, it does have the potential, so choose the person bearing the fetus to become one if the fetus is viable. But as it stands, a fetus is not a child, it is a fetus. Also what part of my comment was "disjointed?" Maybe you just lack the ability to comprehend things that are farther than your intellectual reach? j/k. Please quote. Night! Go Nucks Go!
maxskinnies01 8 months ago
@maxskinnies01 So it is o.k. to discriminate against humans and take their lives based on their age and/or stage of human development?
The rest is confusing, you were saying that drunk driving is wrong, but having sex in public is simply a matter of morals? Drunk driving is "the law" but sex in public...? What?? And blowing off fireworks in one's apartment is a matter of morals??? I don't know. I wasn't following your statement...it was disjointed I thought. Could you clarify?
Minxcomix 8 months ago
@Minxcomix I completely support these last few comments you've made that I've seen. Your logic is sound. I'm always impressed when I see people who can argue for what is right without verbally attacking the people who oppose them. Being objective is crucial. We need more people who understand how to have this discussion like you do. Keep it up.
PhilosophyJunky 8 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky Thank you for the kind words. Honest convictions on any side of debate have no need for hurtful statements, tho I can understand how some can be hurt in regards to abortion on both sides of the matter. Personally however I believe that if I start to feel a desire to put someone down in regards to anything, I need to take a good look at my pov to find out why.
Minxcomix 8 months ago
@rorycalhoun27 Very Christian of you, BTW. What Psalm/Verse you speak from?
bo0tsy1 8 months ago
@rorycalhoun27 You're a base individual. Your mom must be proud.
bo0tsy1 8 months ago
The more I learn about logic and science, the more I realise that the are no good arguments for abortion, and that the arguments against it are sound and valid.
For those undecided, Peter Kreeft has a 12-step argument against abortion that has never been defeated.
Not to mention the usual 3-step syllogism used.
Both of these can be found on youtube, though I think it's better to read them
TheHardout2005 9 months ago 2
Pro-choicers always sound so selfish only thinking about themselves and not giving a damn about the baby!!!!!
DeanClark68 9 months ago
But it's sad to see decent women and men not protesting those wingnuts more often and more vociferously. Do women think this right is secure? Are they really willing to surrender their bodies to the male Christian establishment? Personally I simply don't trust them enough, they've shown themselves to be so selfish and women-hating, that I simply don't want them to make decisions for me, especially on such matters. It's a whole culture of women empowerment that must be built among young women.
Skulander1 9 months ago
"Pro-life' really means anti-women and anti-humanity for half of humans on this earth. It's sad to see young people playing dangerous games with women's lives, depriving them of choice and of very real options in life. And no, abortion will not end in our lifetime, nor at any point in the future. For the very good reason that banning abortions doesn't end them. It only drives them to the back alley, making them unsafe, putting at risk the lives of women undergoing them. Shameful.
Skulander1 9 months ago
I have to say this video is a joke. My generation does not have the same values as the religious right in America. We believe in fairness and equality and that a woman has the right to determine if she wants to go through with a pregnancy or not. This is not going to change and as more of us enter the electorate it is going to be harder and harder for religious dogmatists to impose their anti-choice will on women. I stand with Planned Parenthood!
LonghornPhysicist 9 months ago
more asshole bullshit from the anti americans
littleozzyboy 9 months ago
I would never advocate taking a life, but at the same time, "Pro-Lifer's" as they like to call themselves are ridiculously bent on imposing their will on others. It's not your body or your life, live your own to the standard you seek and other's will follow. Beyond that STFU.
Second, why do pro-lifer's focus so narrowly on abortion? It's not the problem. The problem is a lack of social support for young mothers so they don't feel like their choices are abortion or adoption.
bariuspelagic 9 months ago
abortion will never end in the world, only legalities around whether the right to have the procedure done safely or not. it is unrealistic and idealistic to think that abortions will ever really end. it's like prostitution, go ahead and outlaw it, won't stop though, good luck
educate people on their CHOICES however, and maybe they'll make responsible ones.
disknchick01 9 months ago
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disknchick01 9 months ago
to be anti-birth control & antiabortion is ludicrous.
yes, another no-win situation for women which is what being antiabortion is about. women still have only one major purpose in life in the patriachial world:: having babies.
ladies wake up: you're taking the rights generations of women have fought so hard for granted. once lost, you may never regain them.
oh, i weep for this generation of young women.
canadianskye1964 9 months ago
pt 2: unless you're a virgin, guys, it's hypocritical to be prolife, as your sexual activity just may have caused a female to get pregnant & have an aborton w/o your knowledge. keep your legs together as you preach to a female & it will decrease abortions.
a prochoicer'
canadianskye1964 9 months ago
yes i agree w abstinence; being a 46 yr female i have abstained only because i don't want a pregnancy. if i did tragically become pregnant due to rape i wouldn't hesistate to have an abortion
abstinence is fine if parents have the guts to demand theirs sons remain chaste till marriage since teenage guys still in their right to sex either by forcing or coherence.
canadianskye1964 9 months ago
When I see a room full of people smiling and clapping because they all agree that a raped 9-year-old girl should be forced to give birth to an AIDS baby, I get angry. "Pro-life" is just another term for "morally retarded".
gingerbreadcorpses 9 months ago
Pro-life is just another label for conservative christian.
And if that's what the conservative christians want that's what we should all want...right?
I mean...they do have god on their side right?...right?
Well of course they do =)
BCT071 9 months ago
I hate it when people claim that abstinence is 100% effective. No it's not. Look at Bristol Palin. It merely isn't a natural or realistic proposition and it would be way better if we could encourage birth control and condoms and other things that would negate the need for abortion. A person with a uterus doesn't want an abortion like a new pair of shoes, they want it as much as an animal wants to gnaw off their own leg when ensnared in a foothold trap.
lVlusicLover 9 months ago
@lVlusicLover Well if Bristol Palin got pregnant then she obviously wasn't practicing abstinence... For those who DO abstain, it IS 100% effective.
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky Actually, you're leaving out something a lot of condom and birth control statistics leave in.... Human error. People make mistakes all the time, especially teenagers. If they give in to temptation and one of them happens to get pregnant, then what you said is false. It's better to promote safe and consensual sex, then just say "don't do it". Look at how well that's turned out for drinking and drugs.
lVlusicLover 9 months ago
@lVlusicLover Abstinence is 100% effective.. She didnt abstain..
OrColors 8 months ago
Can we agree that if there is a God then He is reflected in His creation? If so, then He is beautiful and creates beautifully. I see no evidence of abortion in nature or His nature. I see peace, harmony and trust.
It would be refreshing if someone from the pro-abortion side of the argument would be intellectually honest. If there was no perceived need for abortion would you support the act itself? The act itself of abortion is not loving or kind...it is horrendous butchery. It is death.
bellusludas 9 months ago
Can I pressume that 80 persons are murderers? If so, it's really sad. These minds are what we have to change. Go Pro-Life. Stop abortion.
laferrerrivera 9 months ago
God, I wish these kids would put their efforts towards something useful to society.
emantabrizi 9 months ago
@emantabrizi I think saving lives is pretty useful
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky ... They're not saving lives. They're telling women what to do with their bodies. That's a battle these kids will NEVER win. Instead, how about helping children who are already born and are homeless and starving? How about doing something to prevent child abuse? How about helping children stay in school and stay out of gangs? How about helping to prevent children from becoming drug addicts? All of these things are truly pro-LIFE initiatives.
emantabrizi 9 months ago
@emantabrizi Much of the activism SFL does overlaps in many of these areas I believe. But fetuses are not part of a woman's body. A very intimate connection, obviously, but not an extension of the mother's flesh. It is unique and different.
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky ... Does the fetus need the mother's body in order to survive? Yes. Therefore, it IS a part of her body until it is able to survive on its own. Once again, instead of telling a woman whether or not she should go through with an unwanted pregnancy, why not work on preventing that unwanted pregnancy in the first place? There is nothing honorable about forcing an immature 16-year-old to be a mother when she is clearly incapable of doing so.
emantabrizi 9 months ago
@emantabrizi Level of dependency does not determine personhood. Infants need their parents or another person in order to eat and survive - this does not mean they aren't people. SFL does not force people to be 'incapable mothers', they defend every person's right to live. Adoption is a beautiful option.
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky ... That is not the same thing. Once a baby is born, it can be cared for by someone other than the mother. However, another woman cannot carry someone else's fetus. By saying adoption is a "beautiful option," you are assuming that every woman can look at an unwanted pregnancy objectively, which we all know is not true. Millions of future mothers change their minds about adoption during the pregnancy. Guilt can be a powerful motivator.
emantabrizi 9 months ago
@emantabrizi So to make sure I understand: If 2 people can care for a baby, it is a person. If only 1 person can care for a baby, then it is another person's body part? That does not sound very scientific to me.
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky ... Since when do Pro-Fetus...er, I mean...Pro-Lifers care about science?
emantabrizi 9 months ago
@emantabrizi We've always cared about science. I'd be happy to go more in-depth on how biological reproduction happens, what an independent organism is, how DNA works, and fetal development if you'd like. I'm not sure why people think Pro-Life doesn't like science. Science is the very basis of our position.
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky ... Then why is it that Pro-"Lifers" do not protest against birth control pills? Technically speaking, these pills enable women to have abortions on a monthly basis. Yet, I never witness anyone (who isn't Catholic) cry foul. Why is that?
emantabrizi 9 months ago
@emantabrizi SFL does act against abortifacients. I'm sorry you haven't noticed, but Pro-Life groups do believe birth control pills that cause abortions are just as wrong. Many Pro-Life people believe all birth control is wrong, but only the birth control that causes abortions are taking the lives of other people. I promise you, that is definitely something Pro-Life groups speak out against, too.
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky ... Okay, so abortion is wrong and birth control is wrong. So, you're okay with teenagers becoming mothers? I know you're going to say abstinence is the answer. Sure, that's fine, but far from realistic. Teenagers will continue to have sex. They will continue to have accidental pregnancies. What then? You want a nation of unwed, single mothers living on welfare? Is that your idea of progress? Is that your idea of "pro-life?"
emantabrizi 9 months ago
@emantabrizi If we keep telling teenagers that abstinence is unrealistic, then it will be unrealistic. It is not impossible, anyone can do it. And things tend to work out pretty well for those who do practice abstinence until marriage. But, assuming it is impossible like you say, then having more single mothers is infinitely better than killing thousands of human beings every day. Which would you rather have be the worst case scenario: poverty or genocide??
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky ... Who is telling teenagers that abstinence is UNrealistic? That's not what is being taught in schools. It's quite the opposite. Teenagers are told everyday that abstinence is the answer. Some listen, some don't, and that's how it's always going to be. You will never have 100% abstinence among teenagers. Why? Because it goes against human biology.
emantabrizi 9 months ago
@emantabrizi Goes against human biology??? What goes against human biology more than abortion??? Killing our offspring while they are still growing inside of us sounds like a totally natural thing to do...
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky ... Actually, it is. Ever heard of a miscarriage? If God thinks it's okay to abort a baby, then why don't you? =) Look at it this way...at least we don't EAT our offspring after they're born as some animals do.
emantabrizi 9 months ago
@emantabrizi prolifers support science when it suits their cause & purposes.
canadianskye1964 9 months ago
@dwschultz: to quote from jack nicholson's movie "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
canadianskye1964 9 months ago
@deschultz you spew rightie dribble. it is called droppings from an elephant. watch out for those piles!
canadianskye1964 9 months ago
@edgeofthewoods I don't see how that refutes the fact that NARAL lied to the Supreme Court and lied to this country about the amount of back alley abortions. But it is beside the point. Can we agree that IF the unborn are persons, that we should protect their life and need social changes to realize the value of those lives? IF?
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
You people make no sense because you're looking at this from a one-sided perspective! Than and you have virtually no experience of life!!
My wife and I chose to abort her 2nd pregnancy at around 3-5 weeks, because after she gave birth to our son, the doctors did such a crappy job of stitching her up, she lost 2 litres of blood! We were told there could be a risk that she could die if she proceeded with the 2nd pregnancy. So while I support your cause, it also needs radical realignment!
GhostAholics 9 months ago
@Minxcomix
Most women don't regret having abortions. I understand your opposition to abortion, if it were up to me and I could magically make it so that no woman would ever have to choose whether or not to have an abortion I WOULD. That will never happen, though. And we have to deal with it.
edgeofthewoods 9 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky
Women had to go out of the country to get abortions if they needed one before abortion was legal, which is terrible. That alone refutes any "propaganda" you're telling me about. Women need access to safe abortions otherwise they'll find a way (often unsafe) to get one.
edgeofthewoods 9 months ago
@dwshultzfla
Aborting a fetus and killing a child are not the same thing. I know it's hard for you to grasp, but just think about it. If you're going to be completely opposed to one thing like you are, you have to know the other side of the issue just as well. You clearly don't.
edgeofthewoods 9 months ago
@dwschultzfla
LOL! You're the joke. You're pro-life and you think that means you're pro-family when really it means the opposite. Your ignorance honestly does make me smile.
edgeofthewoods 9 months ago
Abortion is not murder. Women don't have to carry pregnancies if they don't want to. Live Action is a joke. Find something else to complain about.
Bluebelle9289 9 months ago
@Bluebelle9289 Just wondering :) In your opinion, when is a human become a person?
danvpgohs 1 month ago
@Minxcomix
Unfortunately you're stupider than I thought. A born infant is fully conscious. An unborn one IS NOT CONSCIOUS! I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding that. If abortion were made illegal, women would get them anyway, which would cause the death of the women AND their unborn children. That's even worse.
edgeofthewoods 9 months ago
@edgeofthewoods Wher do you get your facts from? Saturday morning cartoons maybe MSNBC. What a joke you are!
dwschultzfla 9 months ago
@edgeofthewoods You call me stupid and then claim that unborn humans are not conscious. Interesting.
Minxcomix 9 months ago
@edgeofthewoods Some points to ponder:
~How would illegal abortion cause any more deaths then we have with legal abortion? Would we suddenly lose all medical advancements of the last 40 yrs?
~Less women would choose illegal abortion because the majority of people choose to be law abiding, so how would there be more deaths?
~If however you are correct and illegal abortion would "cause the death of the woman", you think we'd seek them anyways knowing we'd be killed?
Minxcomix 9 months ago
@Minxcomix
It makes me so mad that you think women would be law abiding when it comes to abortion were it to be made illegal. Look at women and abortions BEFORE ROE V. WADE. Women went to incredibly extreme life altering dangerous measures to get abortions they NEEDED. Would making abortion illegal stop women from getting abortions? I know you like to think it would but IT WOULD NOT. I hope to all that is nature you're not a woman. That would really surprise me.
edgeofthewoods 9 months ago
@edgeofthewoods Casey Anthony agrees with you. If killing your child were made legal, she wouldn't be on trial. She would still be partying with her friends. Why should she be responsible for taking care of her child. Killing Caylee freed her up to do what she wanted. You and Casey have a lot in common. Lack of responsibility and selfishness
dwschultzfla 9 months ago
@edgeofthewoods With all respect, in regards to your last comment about abortions before Roe v. Wade, I would encourage you to read about Dr. Bernard Nathanson. Much of this impression of "abortions before Roe v. Wade" comes from the propaganda campaign he and the other founders of NARAL ran during that court case. He has since become Pro-Life and come out about the ways they lied to convince people that abortions were wildly out of control. They smudged made up numbers and it is mostly a lie.
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
@edgeofthewoods NARAL's "estimated" numbers were fabricated for RvW. Nathanson fabricated them and has since admitted to this under oath. It is important for you to know that you are basing your opinion on a lie.
Many women by their own testimony (silentnomoreawareness) state they chose abortions because it was legal and therefore they believed it must be o.k. They found out too late that it does not make it o.k. They would not have chosen if it were illegal. They would know.
Minxcomix 9 months ago
@edgeofthewoods 97% of abortions are "needed" due to non medical/rape concerns. 40 years and nothing has changed, the same "needs" expressed by Weddington in RvW are still the same today, primarily a non supportive society toward pregnant women. Why do we *still have* these damaging societal ills that bring women to the conclusion that taking the life of their child and risking their own is their only option!? Because we have bandaided with abortion and therefore do not "have to" resolve them.
Minxcomix 9 months ago
@edgeofthewoods Ummm fact check Unborn babys are conscious of their surroundings. This would be a good argument but... its kinda not true. just google it
danvpgohs 1 month ago
@TempusFugit101
Can a fetus tell you what it wants? Can a fetus say "I WANT TO LIVE" like a conscious, FULLY DEVELOPED human can? Nope. It can't. If abortion were to be made illegal, and a woman illegally received an abortion from a doctor, what should her punishment be? First degree murder? Then shouldn't the doctor receive a 2nd degree murder charge? You're unfortunately stupid, my friend.
edgeofthewoods 9 months ago
If you don't want to have a baby then either don't have sex or be more responsible but to murder an innocent life because YOU made a mistake is WRONG! If you become pregnant and don't want the child....look in ANY newspaper. There are THOUSANDS of people who desperately want to adopt a baby. Funny you should speak about Third World Countries. That's where American couples are forced to go in order to adopt a baby because WE KILL OURS!
KatieChee 9 months ago
If you don't want your mighty America be become a next India or China like an ants nest, please vote for abortion.
revolutionist37 9 months ago
maybe parents should step up? talk to their kids? if people took responsibility for themselves this wouldnt be an issue! I was very pro choice until i was put in that position. My views have changed. Just because youre a woman that made a mistake doesnt give you the right to get away with murder.
eatschnitzel 9 months ago
Oh and 500,000 mothers die from pregnancy and childbirth in the World, 100,00 die in the US, the US accounts for 1/5th of the pregnancy related deaths. Should we ban pregnancy next because it's so dangerous? Did you know most of those are because of Christian Pro-Life hospitals who negligently let the mother die with her fetus and sometimes zygote if it's under 10 weeks of pregnancy? As long as the fetus doesn't die right? Please stay with the question and not mention convenience abortions.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic I hope we can recognize that we are both trying to fight for what we believe is right. I will not attack you, but I am going to respectfully point out what we are fundamentally disagreeing on. First, I'm not sure your statistics are correct, but assuming they are, 100,000 deaths in the U.S. is terrible and we should be trying to find ways to stop these deaths. However, abortion is not a cure. In those circumstances, abortion is trading one life for another -this mind set is dangerous
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
@PhilosophyJunky I thank you for your respectful answer.
breemystic 9 months ago
@breemystic Furthermore, more than 3 times that many deaths legally take place every year through abortion. And the vast majority of these deaths can easily be deemed "unnecessary". In cases of life-threatening pregnancies, Catholic Hospitals will perform any procedure that increases chances of survival for both mother and child, without directly killing the child. A procedure that can help, even if it has a high chance of resulting in the death of the fetus, is better than abortion -c-
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
@breemystic -c- because abortion is the direct killing of a living human being. No hospital stands and watches a person die (my fiance and I both work in hospitals), they do everything they can to save lives. Catholic hospitals, who realize unborn children are people, do everything they can to save both lives - they do not just stand and watch.
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
@breemystic You mentioned abortions before RvW. The idea that abortions were out of control before RvW is mostly a myth. I encourage you to read about Dr. Bernard Nathanson, the last living founder of NARAL. He has addressed this issue. Also, your statement about Pro-Lifers not wanting women to have rights is ridiculous. We want them to have every right a man or unborn child has. They have a right over their body, as long as it does not infringe on another persons right to live.
PhilosophyJunky 9 months ago
All I can say is abortions will be the same if Roe V. Wade is overturned. 20 million abortions happen in countries where it's illegal. I've read heart wrenching stories about illegal us abortions before Roe V. Wade about all the patients in the hospital due to illegal botched abortions.
Also if you people are creating a culture of life, why do 100,00 mothers die from pregnancy and child birth? Does the mother's life matter to you at all, or is it just the fetus that concerns you?
breemystic 9 months ago
Look at someone you're close to and tell them "i'm glad your mother didn't abort you"
just think about how many more people who could have said the same if abortion never existed.
xXAlicexX101 9 months ago
Anti choice
sarahs0105 9 months ago
lol. This is a depressing video, and yet at the same time, hysterical. It's depressing that so many people are pro-life, and yet hysterical that so many are pro-life. They think deny rights to people is a good thing! Hah! That's a sad reality, and a funny one. That's life, though. You just have to ignore the stupid people. So, any smart people reading this, just ignore what happened in the video.
uiruu 9 months ago
@uiruu What about the right to life?