So, as I said in 2008 if Obama turns out to be a worse president than Bush, that would be a miracle because the probability of such an event is so low, that it would require a supernatural explanation.
The thing about miracles is: who cares? Even if they were 100% true, that would not matter to me when I go to decide how to live my life. I live according to my own best moral judgement, not because of a fear of a magical/miraculous being. Just being able to do miracles, EVEN if it "proves" that you are God, does not then automatically prove you deserve my everlasting praise and worship and obedience. The God of the Bible is a monster, when you look at his behavior and commandments.
Christian apologist's do not claim that miracle's are supernatural.Rejection of miracles is based on argument from personal incredulity(argumentum ad ignoratium).God works in and through the natural world and within its "laws" -- while some miracles are beyond human capacity to duplicate, they hardly require any violation of nature's "laws".Put it this way: Why is it not a "violation" of the law of gravity when I pick up a box? Why IS it such a violation when God picks up that same box?
@ripsawedcunt As I already said, rejection of miracles is based on argument from personal incredulity.By the same line of reasoning people who lived 2000 years ago would be considered valid to dismiss the possibility of modern "miracles" such as GPS and Telecommunications, simply because they would find it totally incomprehensible.
@MrPsychedelia101 It is not a miracle that i pick up a box because i'm producing a bigger force on that box to lift it than gravity to pull it down.
If a box is floating and has no means about why would that happen, it doesn't proof that god exist.
Imagine this. If a man came and said that he can lift the same box, without touching it and without using any detectable means, and he does, would you call him god? or someone with a really cool trick trying to fool you?
@sesaruoosama Son of a god or a fraud? But how do you know, maybe that man is a son of god?. Yes I know how did you lift that box. But if you knew scientific principles God used to perform miracles, it would not disproved them because raising the dead, creation of life, etc. is far beyond human capabilities.
@MrPsychedelia101 or maybe that man is a fraud. Remember that from an act to be considered a miracle, it must be impossible. If god uses the laws of nature to perform such acts, humans can do it too as soon as they know and understand the mechanisms to do it, including life.
Allow me to add that such appeal to ignorance is no evidence for miracles, much less god.
@sesaruoosama All matter in the universe interacts remotely, from the gravity of the celestial bodies to subatomic particles.Therefore if earth can hold moon in its orbit from great distance, like atomic nucleus can spin electrons, it is not difficult to imagine that God, using unknown and similar scientific principles could manipulate matter at molecular level to create life.
Excellent, I totally agree with your points. But here's a wrench: what is the Claimee supposed to do with this? I and a friend (who refuses to believe in the paranormal) both witnessed a "UFO" encounter that was so bizarre, I cannot come up with any explanation for it inside normal belief systems. I don't know what happened, so I'm stuck wondering for the rest of my life what truth is, and anything I say about it is just hearsay.
@TennisAnnalyst I am sorry, I don't understand the usefulness of such comparison. I do understand the use of assessing the probability of the discussed event itself. The appeal to the honesty of the person is the last resort. If you friend Bob tells you he flicked heads 45 times in a row and you know from years of friendship with him that he is not the kind of man to lie, you might consider that it indeed was an actual coincidence. However, you cannot add probability of him lying to add to that.
I don't understand how can you compare two probabilities - the probability of Joe lying and the probability of the coin. Those are separate events, no?
I actually use a different definition for "miracles". Instead of 'supernatural action', I use 'event with extremely low probability' because that is what people more-commonly refer as.
Even in scriptural claims, the idea always present is "This [extremely unlikely event] could only have been done by a supernatural force". Hence it seems more consistent to use 'my' meaning. Which of course then 'miracles' intrinsically don't need a supernatural entity...
You think you're smarter than God, or at least that you're smarter than those who believe in God. All you know is a little bit of math. God is bigger than your basic, but not really impressive, knowledge of probabilities.
When you apply logic and reason one doesn't quickly realise all claims of miracles must be rejected. One realises that a miracle is highly unlikely to occur, however this does not rule miracles out.
And surely miracles by definition of events caused by God only appear sporadic and unlikely to us. We do not know Gods mind, We don't even know if miracles occur on a regular basis they're just so ingrained and underlying we don't see them (stopping a plane to crash before it ever does.)
@papasee So God favors some people while not caring about others. He causes some planes to land safely while allowing others to crash. So you are taking away from the hard work, skill, and dedication of human beings to give credit to a fairy tale. Our drones killing women and children in Yemen, Iraq, and Pakistan in the name of a continuing crusade is proof there God is inactive and there is no such thing as a miracle. Either that or God is a huge dildo.
@papasee I agree that we can't rule out the possibility of miracles. However, to establish that a miracle has occurred requires (in my opinion, at least) a pretty high standard of evidence. Thus far, things we have thought might be miraculous have been determined to likely not be such when scrutinized. I think this is where cdk007 was going in his video.
you know that in the quraan (written aproximately 1400 years ago) it says stuff that only modern science began to discover (e.g. the universe's expantion, the big bang) and it wasn't implied it was boldly stated.
All that man did not make is a Miracle. To have a loving human who is not a warmonger is a miracle too. The coin analogy is meaningless. God sees the heart, and the coin was not even made by God anyway. We want to be honest when we have God in us,and when we have him in us we will also be forgiving. Jesus tell us to be forgiving 7x70. That means not holding a grudge when a human makes an earthly mistake. 1:57,The son of God has to be in us non the less.Have that, and war will be no more.
@OmfgItsHenu plenty of humans war in the name of God. What Holy war, Jihad is all about, and humans used Gods word to kill many. You need to bone up on history dud. America is called a nation under God, and wars. See persecution,and the persecuted will be Christians. Gods word says do not give evil for evil, but evil humans will say onward Christian soldier, and A Christian soldier will not kill anyone. Even Perter thought a Christan soldier was to carry a weapon, and almost committed murder.
@OmfgItsHenu When Jesus was at Gethsemane, Peter one of Christs disciples had a sword, and when Judas betrayed Jesus Peter at first asked Jesus if he could use the sword to protect him, but Jesus said nothing,and Peter acting on his own swung the sword at the high priest. That swinging is mans idea of a good thing,and Jesus who is God in the flesh sees that as a bad thing. USA is swinging a sword too killing, swearing, taking Gods name in vain. Jehad humans think they are Christian warriors too.
@OmfgItsHenu Peter acted like America,and whoever else uses force thinking it is good, and war is also terrorism. God is a lover,and not a warmonger. terrorists think they are subconsciously a Christian soldier. The humans in the E,O,R, think the same,and the USA who proudly has one nation under God in their song to an idol are think they are Christian solders too. Had we be real Christian solders We would be hugging everyone,and not figuratively and literally using bayonets on each other.
...more evidence to support them. if what you say about the object existing proves the designer, you might as well say that sunsets are proof of a sunset making factory.
@MegaSage007 that's a pathetic piece of evidence. the universe isn't fine tuned for life, less than one percent of EARTH is life, and half of the fundamental forces (the weak force and gravity) are uneeded for life to function. also, it's been proven that planets, solar-systems, and life can form naturally (and before you say that "life has a 1 in 200^20 chance of appearing or anything, note that i didn't say "spontaneously form"). these processes are more likely than creation, as they have...
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and the miraculously created and brilliantly designed finely tuned universe is extraordinary evidence. Its your choice.
@szlagjasny It's good that you are willing to think for yourself. However, I am afraid you might be going down a dangerous path when you say things like "each person has his own theory". It seems like you might be saying since we can't know everything for absolute certainty that puts all ideas on equal footing. This is simply not the case. Some beliefs are supported by strong evidence and some are just bold assertions with no reason or evidence backing them up. God falls under the latter.
@szlagjasny It's good that you are willing to think for yourself. However, I am afraid you might be going down a dangerous path when you say things like "each person has his own theory". It seems like you might be saying since we can't know everything for absolute certainty that puts all ideas on equal footing. This is simply not the case. Some beliefs are supported by strong evidence and some are just bold assertions with no reason or evidence backing them up. God falls under the latter.
@szlagjasny Not going to condescend your claim, just analyze it logically.
Miracles are defined as: an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
Children have been proven to be born from women in the same way for thousands of recorded years with a very easy explanation.
@szlagjasny Every time a child is born? All this means is that the females reproductive organs are working properly, and the sperm from the male was potent and fulfilled its job. No miracle there.
"just because the autor of this lame piece thinks there are no miracles it does not mean that miracles are fake". did you even listen to the end of the video? He says he is not claiming miracles don't occur; only that logically miracles should not be believed b/c they don't meet their burden of proof. And what reason do you have to call a child being born a miracle?
@szlagjasny And what reason do you have to consider life a miracle other than just asserting it? Look, believe what you want to believe; but don't be so arrogant as to act like others are just listening to what ppl tell them without thinking for themselves when it seems like if anyone is doing that it is you.
"Call on God, but row away from the rocks" - Hunter S. Thompson
If god wishes to intervene, let him. But many have seen living without faith and religion is much more thought provoking. Life should be more fun, with more peace and love. It takes everyone to be free and not be stealing each others sh*t. Help each other move up, and dont hold each other back. If all someone does is beg for money, dont give them any, let them get up and find a way to survive.
@rmcdaniel423 yea, it obviously is. But his point is that even if you completely disregard that possibility it is still a claim that shouldn't be believed.
Logically, miracles can be beleived. If you do not consider the map of prophecies laid out in Daniel chapter 11 as a a miracle, you have been extremely duped by the Devil. I do not blame you as we all have been duped by the Devil. But the book of Daniel is written in the 6th century BC (you can follow tails that say it was written later but you have cultural problems and prophecies of Rome you run into on that so it is more logical it was written in 6th century BC) and prophesies future events.
@keksinnot On the contrary, these are all logical even if the God of the bible DOESN'T exist.
1. The origin of life, although seemingly unlikely, is gaining more and more evidence in the scientific world to exist without a creator. See cdk007's video on the origin of life.
2. If you are defining physical reality as our universe and all that makes it up, evidence is also brought forth through the big bang theory that a creator was not needed to make up the content of the universe.
@keksinnot 3. The idea of a higher being or God can easily be seen as the root of fear of death and quest for explanation of the natural world. Fear of death leads to a hope of the afterlife, thus dampening the fear. Because God was the only explanation for the "how," he was revered for giving us knowledge. The "love" you speak of almost entirely comes from fear of displeasing the "loving" God and being damned for eternity in hell.
1. I was trying to tell that the main miracles in the bible aren't rare (like a man rising from the dead is rare).
2. I made a logical statement.
3. I was pointing to one of the arguments, so you can study it by yourself.
To your 3rd: You should understand that: A: Judaist's do not believe in afterlife, or hell, yet they have the same OT. B: "Belive in Jesus and you will receive the Holy Spirit..", Christianity is based on personal revelation that IS promised. Not on fear.
@Stepanskiy23 An idea is a stored chemical compound in your biochemistry which can be recalled after approx 18 months of age, not earlier. The scientific term for this is called explicit memory. It responds to stimuli. And when you give someone an idea, they receive signals that wire their neurons and condition them to interpret this abstraction. Thus I argue that ideas are physical, since they are stored in our minds, which are also physical.
@Stepanskiy23 EXACTLY, Ideas are not physical, nor are miracles. A Miracle is a change in perception inspired by God. But the world we see is but our perception of it. No one sees the world as it really is. This is why a miracle changes the world we see. It's merely a change in perception. The world we know is but in our mind. It's not outside of us. Everyone has experienced changes in perception. Let God change your perception and it becomes miraculous.
What is a miracle? An action that violates the laws of physics? Well then, sharing ideas is a miracle for they violate the laws of physics. The laws of physics says that is you give someone something you don't have it anymore. But like Jesus with his 5 loaves of bread....if you give your ideas to people....you still have your ideas! It's a miracle!
Since the beginning of religion people have been Murdered, sacrificed, brainwashed, convicted, ridiculed, abused, discriminated, by high powers of their church, and all in the name of God. Isnt that sad. This is all fact. Why am I an Atheist?? Once again, good job with this video.
@jimpucci1 "now I'm not claiming miracles don't happen" -from video, he's just arguing that miracles are the least probable explanations, so coming to that conclusion and disregarding any other possible cause is the real poor and shallow reasoning, if there's something you can't explain then the reasonable thing to do is make no conclusion, and leave it open for real conclusions if and when they present themselves, if you prove something was a miracle, I'll believe it.
Since the greatest miracle is the creation of everything from what appears to be from a massive energy source & science confirms that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, the 1st law of thermodynamics. So it is reasonable and probably that God does exist and that He has order because we are orderly and all that sustains us is orderly and all we witness in science is about order; so this great energy source must also be orderly; just as the Bible tells us. Don't B the Ostrich w/head in sand.
@7801Croc OK, if it's "reasonable" to think God explains the existence OF and the order seen IN the Universe, then it's reasonable to ask: Where did he come from, and how do you explain his complexity (because it goes without saying - that he must be more complex than that which he created).
It's called infinite regression, and every instance of using God to explain things suffers from it - If he's the explanation, then what's his explanation, and his explanation's explanation?
@steveb0503 "It's called infinite regression" It is called human wisdom by God and is foolishness before Him. As a child I remember asking myself the question "if God created everything, then who created God?" I did not grow up in a religious home, but I had a mother who prayed a lot & still does. For a long time I thought I believed in God, the Creator, but that was a god of my imagination. Now I know the true & living God who has always existed, which was the answer to my childhood wonder.
@7801Croc Dude you need some serious help! You are talking about the Big Bang theory where science claims Energy can neither be created nor destroyed! Who created God then? I know you've mentioned that in your last comment but you still haven't answered the question. Who created God then?
If my theory isn't correct then your theory doesn't AUTOMATICALLY becomes correct!
@attractivue "need some serious help!".."about the Big Bang theory" God always existed & He creates & He sustains; therefore He is the energy source of all creation. For anything to exist; something had to have always existed; that is pure logic. Since the Creator made creatures capable of love; this tells us something about the nature of this Creator & since things that sustain are orderly & complex; this tells us more about the Creator. U R right I/we need help & I received Him- will you?
You might as well say that the Universe has always existed (in one form or another).
Would you find THAT to be an acceptable answer?
I mean, doesn't that strike you (at all) as the ONLY plausible answer that could have survived the first person (let alone the undoubtedly millions after) who asked: "Well then, who made God?"
THAT is what as known as a "just so answer", and it should be painfully obvious as such to anyone critically looking at the problem.
@steveb0503 LOL, do you not see the absurdity in your comments? I mean seriously! You demand for evidence for evolution and big bang and here you are make absurd claims such as he "God created everything". You people seriously have no hope!
@attractivue "You people seriously have no hope!" That again is not only your fallible opinion, but human reasoning. True Christians; I have to say "true" because most are not. Have all we will ever need, which is a one-on-one relationship with the Living God in Jesus Christ. The Bible does exactly what it claims; it is active, living and sharper than a two-edged sword.
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness
@7801Croc HAHAHA, only delusional and I'm sorry to say 'crazy' religious people can turn a meaningul conversation into a relationship with Jesus, two edged sword and spaghetti monsters.
Its funny I was arguing with a Muslim on another video and he was 100% convinced of Allah and his prophet Muhammad and here YOU are 100% convinced of his relationship with Jesus and his father God.
Atleast Muslims have a real prophet to follow. Jesus prolly didn't even exist!
@attractivue "HAHAHA, only delusional and I'm sorry to say 'crazy' religious people can turn a meaningul conversation into a relationship with Jesus, two edged sword and spaghetti monsters."
All you are doing w/out knowing it is reinforcing exactly what the Bible states that the unregenerate sinner will do and say when confronted with the truth, which is to mock God. However God will not be mocked without a price unless He so desires you to come to the knowledge of the truth - I pray He will.
@7801Croc Again the good ol' fear tactic. Why doesn't your God strikes me and other Atheists down? Answer: Because he doesn't exist!
Offcourse the fictitious authors of the bible and Quran knew that there will be some smart people who will not buy this bullshit hence they wrote about us that they will mock the God. Nothing special about this prediction!
When I'll make an extraordinary claim, I'll also say that some people will not believe me!
@attractivue "Again the good ol' fear tactic" How can you say fear tactic; I cannot make you believe that God is living; He has made that obvious to the causal observer in His creation.
How can one fear that which he cannot see and will not take the time to see if such things are true? He is patient and stretches His arms out; one to restrain the evil w/ man and another to bring whosoever will enter into His salvation. That is part of the love of God that you scorn by your choice.
@7801Croc Thats the problem with you people, you write a whole paragraph about in this instance "God". Your first line is based on incorrect conclusion which makes the rest of the lines useless.
If God is visible to a "casual observer" then why don't scientists and rationale people see it? Why do always these crazy wild eyed and brain washed people see this imaginary character?
@attractivue "If God is visible to a "casual observer" then why don't scientists and rationale people see it?" They do. "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse."
Robert Jastrow (September 7 1925 – February 8 2008) was an American astronomer, physicist and cosmologist. AND agnostic. Go to wilipedia for more info. CONTINUED ABOVE
@attractivue "why don't scientists" Who defines who is rational? You..LOL. ""For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." - Robert Jastrow - astronomer, physicist and cosmologist.
@yhenry77 Dude, we just had a civil exchange of ideas on a YouTube comment page. High five for civil and all around pleasant discourse, between an atheist and theist no less!
Since miracles by definition violate the laws of nature? Ok, 1) God is not of this world; the Bible says he is a spiritual being. 2) God lives in heaven which is a spiritual place. Since we CANNOT see God or Heaven, then it must be somewhere else (another dimension? - see string theory). Scientists have now discovered up to 11 dimensions in mathematical models and equations. Do you see where we are going with this? It doesn't take rocket scientist to figure it out. Try to think outside the box.
@yhenry77 I can certainly appreciate thinking outside of the box, that's how we get things done and move forward, but I can't help but think of all the fringe theists that say "God is unknowable" or "outside of nature" when close scrutiny of things such as supposed miracles or divine intervention fail to hold up to scrutiny, then claiming that there is a multitude of evidence for God's presence in the world. I'm sure that's not what you're saying, you seem to be on one side of that fence (cont.)
@yhenry77 (cont.) and I certainly would be first in line to accept empirical evidence of something resembling God (atheist talking here, btw) so I can totally understand your position, and I hope that you aren't one of the flip floppers that changes the cosmic theology every time someone takes a position against it. In other words, I don't think there's any harm in LOOKING for God using science, but I do get my feathers ruffled when YEC's want to redefine science using God, if that makes sense
@GMH524 I agree with your analysis of what true science should be; I think we can learn from each other. We do NOT want to get in a period of the dark ages when one group shuts out the other. There was a time when men thought the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. Science has proved otherwise; I can still contend that science is NOT on anyone side, it just reveals nature. I find on both sides atheists and theists who don't have open mind, (thank God) you are not one of them.
oh and dont you dare mention the quran as some crazy fary tale book it has countless scientiffic facts and im not talkin out my ass you get back to me il give you specific facts out of the quran
@kartveli333 Apostrophes, learn to love them, dude...the Koran is just as scientifically inaccurate as any book that isn't about science. No offense is intended, as usual, but you simply can't place that kind of weight on scripture, it will never deliver...claims of scriptural scientific foreknowledge NEVER hold up to scrutiny, no matter what your beliefs are. And this is coming from an atheist who is very supportive of moderate religion, so please believe this is good natured.
your very intelligent, but you miss the point of those religions..... oh man ... i mean your really way off and its probably the fault of retards who preach them but still
The problem with your math is fundamental.... U cant mix two types of statistic material the way you do here.... This is a two step job... Step 1.Coinflip ten times, ALL HEADS is roughly a probability of 1/1000. Step 2. Joe is telling the truth 9/10 of the time.... There is now a 90 percent chance, that Joe is telling the truth about his 10 coinflips, ALL HEADS...
This material would now support a claim of a given miracle.... Not that i think it will ever happen.. DONT MIX MATH AND RELIGION..
@SQuiRR3LM0nk3y Yeah... what about 'em... Please give me the latest updates. A amputee that miraculously got his body part bach... and the claim can be verifyed... id like to see that.. All the other miracles people mention, can either not be verifyed, or could much more easyly have a natural cause or a treatment to thank....
The 1st Christians were pagans. Jesus's body disappeared from the crypt. What happened?
The 1st Christians ATE it and from this act came the EUCHARIST, in which the ceremonial wine and bread represent Jesus BLOOD AND FLESH.
Present day, Yanomami Venezuelan indian tribe practice endocannibalism, that's eating the dead people as a way for their dead to be alway a part of them.
Most Christian people consider this act Satanic. Christians are DEVIL WORSHIPPERS and not even know it.
@Pacifica74 He's not trying to deceive anyone. This is what he knows to be true. Just because you believe in something else doesn't mean that he's being purposely deceitful. After all, the bible teaches to love thy neighbour and to do unto others as you would do unto yourself. So get smart. Calling someone names and insulting them when they present their opinion is childish. Be firm in your beliefs and allow others the same privilege.
@floyd316 Listen carefully to what is said towards the end. He said he's not claiming that God or miracles don't exist, but logically miracles shouldn't be believed. Stelthfully his IS CLAIMING they don't exist. What he's really hinting at is "God might exist, but in any case don't believe any of his revelations or miracles of his deity." That is an athiest. You can't have God without God???
Belief is binary. It's on or it's off. Anything less than belief is unbelief. (see below)
@floyd316 By exposing this I am loving my neighbor (Youtubers) He also taught Judge by reighteous judgement (the word of God - not us). If Jesus also described unbelievers as miserable for their conduct in Rev. 3:17, then I also have that right. I'm firm in my beliefs but this person is clearly not by playing both sides of the fence leaning more to pagan. I'm just calling him out. One truth-only one path. Christ -"I am the truth, the way and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Me."
I agree with the CDK007's point in this video. Proof is needed to believe the claims of miracles or for that matter anything that people choose to put their faith in like jobs, spouse, goods, services, just about anything needs some type of verification or validation in each person mind to embrace it as real or as good for them. You have to base your beliefs on reason, not on some other human being's word.
the odds of getting heads instead tails on the first round is 50 percent, 2nd is 25, and then on, it was just a simple mistake on the video makers part, and it does make sense, you just dont agree with it.
Your probabilities are all messed up. The sum of the probabilities should be 1 (100%). You used two probabilities from two different sets and end up with a 10% chance of a lie and a 0.1% chance of a truth. What happened to the 89.9%?
@sami296 Also, the two sets of probabilities (Joe telling the truth or lying, and him getting 10 heads in a row) are entirely independent. The probability of one happening does not affect the outcome of the other.
@sami296 They are descriptive of the same event. In one case you have the observers chance ofnot reporting the correct values. In the other case the probability of the values themselves. The results are not changed, only how they are reported. You still have 0.1% chance of getting the ten heads wether he's lying or not. However if you know the person lies 10% of the times and the odds of getting those ten heads is 100 times worse, its 100 times more likely the person is lying.
this video is retarded, that would mean there is a 90 percent chance he was telling the truth not 50, the odds of him getting heads was 50, but if he tells the truth 90 percent of the time, and its a 90 percent chance he was telling the truth wtf, yeah, it says in the bible everyone is the son of god, and do you think anyone would believe any of the things that jesus said without seeing him do anything, probably not, people followed him because they had seen what he had done
this video is retarded, that would mean there is a 90 percent chance he was telling the truth not 50, wtf, yeah, it says in the bible everyone is the son of god, and do you think anyone would believe any of the things that jesus said without seeing him do anything, probably not, people followed him because they had seen what he had done
so; ur r u bascally saying were animals, i guess u have to be to belive in ur theory.first an extraordinary clam is the big bang theory.
second you dont need to evedence to belive in god, u just need a brain (the thing that seperates us from the animal); to see that there has to be a pupose.
and if u really look hard enough u will find the true religon.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" is by Carl Sagan. He meant that we need extraordinary evidence in order to BELIEVE an extraordinary claim.
Even believers will go to hell if there is one. Unless they follow the 613 rules. Their denial knowns no bounds. They will make up ANYTHING to avoid the realization that there is no God. The thought of no God makes them uncomfortable. The thought of being ruled over by other humans makes them feel worthless and weak. They hold on to this delusion to make themselves feel better and a part of something bigger and more grand. When in reality they're insane. *sign* Religion will end humans.....
@LegendaryZody Let me correct you in love. True believers in Christ are never sent to hell. Although still walking imperfectly because they still possess corrupted, fallen bodies -they are being continually renewed through the Holy Spirit, being saved through faith by the Lord's ordained process of sanctification (meaning being set apart) For those that love Him, it's not so much the outward appearance. He looks at the heart. A heart that is in line with His heart's desires- 1SAMUEL 16:7
@LegendaryZody The Word is the only proof we have. (shrug) Sorry. No one has ever died and come back to tell us about it other than Christ. What can I say, you either have faith in His witness or you don't. Sometimes simplicity is the cloak truth hides under so we miss it. We believe it has to be more complicated than that.
@Pacifica74 Sorry but, there is no proof or evidence that this Christ character came back from the dead. Oh and by the way the "Word" isn't proof. Just calling it like I see it man.
@Pacifica74 That isn't proof of any thing but a story. I guess the Bhagavad Gita is proof of Krishna by your logic. Mount Olympus is proof of Zeus. The Atzec pyramids are proof of Quetzalcoatl. Nothing personal, just thought I add my two sense lol.
@SQuiRR3LM0nk3y It's called faith. Until it becomes personal to you, you will miss it. I was the same for most of my life. For example, if my mother or father reveals something that happened way before I was born so that I could know it, I don't demand proof first and throw out their testimony. I trust and believe them. It's the same with God.
You are epic. Its interesting though. I was doing some research on the bombardier beetle a while back and found that creationists have been using it to try and explain how evolution could not happen. It was interesting the things I fround. You should check it out. You might get some laughs. I am a realist. While I would love for there to be a God, to date, I still haven't found evidence of one. Perhaps I'll create my own holy book and get people to believe it. Then my daughter can be God.
@LRWarrior I think the first evidence is the existence of the world and of us! Science has shown just how amazing this universe is, how can you not believe in God? The more we learn the more amazing the creator is shown to be.
i have same thoughts like u, but u also should have to deep observe the Qur'aan. And also remind u the prophet went to heaven on wingy horse called "burraq" no one has seen and no body saw the prophet, the followers had just faith in it.
The world has suffered from a delusion of pure madness, this is in part by years of wrong thinking and misinformation, propaganda and lies. Why has religion done this? To reap where men have not sowed, this distortion of truth was caused by mankind's love of wealth over knowledge and understanding. You are in the believing of something that is not the case, for you are not seeing what is before you in the correct context of presentation. You have lost knowledge of translation and logic
This guy is calculating odds without taking in all the factors. What he is forgetting is that God is a person and when he does miracles, there is a reason behind it. How can he figure out what the odds are of God doing something, when he knows almost nothing about him? It's like any of you trying to guess what my favorite food or color. You cannot be so certain of the odds without all of the information.
What is your logic behind saying“it is assumed that we predicted the miracle before it happened”? That doesn’t seem to make sense at all given that a miracle is not predicted per say. At least not more than any other outcome given your assumption that you believe that is a possible outcome. That is not part of Hume’s argument, seems like you added that. And again, it doesn’t logically follow that you should NOT believe someone or that it didn’t happen. All that follows is that it is less likely.
You really don't see the obscenity of your reasoning? Their is far more to human judgment, then relying on statistical data. You should learn to know some one your close to and be able to sense when they are lying. The more you know them the harder it is for them to get away with a lie! Unless your a twit. So it is with life in general. The more you learn about life. The easier it is to distinguish truth from error.
I'm troubled that you are using probabilities as if they mean something. A probability is just a mathematical abstraction. For you to discount a direct personal experience, because a mathematical abstraction suggests that there is a low probability that you did experience it, well that's just one system of faith attempting to unseat another.
@Jcolinsol Probability isn't 'just a mathematical abstraction' any more than geometry and trigonometry, which allow us to engineer the modern world, or calculus which allows us to explore the solar system. Probability is a concrete method of assigning values to particular possible outcomes. It was first used successfully on a large scale to calculate the British strategy (search 'Monte Carlo method') during the Battle of Britain and succeeded in defeating the Luftwaffe.
It is abstract, in that is is not physical or material, it bears no shape. Mathematics is an invention of the human mind. It is projected from the human mind onto our sensory experience, and we can use it to quantify, but not to reduce that experience, or the material universe that presume to be behind that experience.
Math is a language, and is no more real, than our words are real. And both are used to write science fiction. Heh
Then why didn't god heal my friend's 7 yr old daughter dying of Bone Cancer?? I'd expect that if there was ever a prayer that if there was ever a prayer that deserved granting, it would be for a beautiful 7 yr old little girl who hasn't even started to live yet. Don't you think? But what really hit home was when me & 2 friends went back to the children's Cancer ward & prayed for 3 other terminal kids. Those prayers weren't answered either! I wonder why?
@Cootabux i always have that comment?why this?why that?why i am poor?why i am sick? the bible says that because we are away from God we all deserve death.The bible says that before we get to consciousness we are innocent.
The most important for God it is not to heal this or make that rich,but that we spend eternity with him,and live with him.
Don't be a spoil kid."if God doesn't do that then i am angry!!" but i understand i use to be that way..God bless you and heal you.God is good and loves you
@Cootabux by the way if you believe there is a God....life belongs to him and not yours,and not mine.He takes and gives...it is HIS,so don't judge him for what he did to what belongs to him.
You act like a spoil young kid crying " why this and why that...i am not happy".Imagine i do the same to you.Why did he spent his money for that?it is yours,not mine.
@teriiura It is not petulant to ask God to account for his sins. He gives children AIDS, allows rape, murder, torture, often in his name by the way. Isaih 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Yeah, God is an evil and cruel being if he exists.
@karmiolz first i want to tell you that you are a childish fellow..saying :" i don't like you GOD because of them".
Second: I form light and create darkness.Light create darkness automatically...when you are not in the light ,you are of course in the darkness..pure and simple logic.
Third:i make peace and create evil,same logic for light,if you are not at peace:you are evil.Darkness itself don't exist if there is no light.
Children having aids are the result of sins of the parent.
@karmiolz rape and murder are against what God prohibit...but it is people free choice that bring that.'
Love your neighbor as yourself....Jesus said.
You read your bible but your heart stays close to it.
I would say the same thing about americans,they are all murderers,war ,rape people in america,kill women,rape children ...but it is wrong to say that...they don't represent the USA
@karmiolz same question to you...out of the millions verses in the bible that talk about the Love of God for his people and for the world..you have just remembered one?same question....do you ever read your bible?
So your prayers hasn't been answered?what a spoiled child you are...."GOD if you don't listen to me.....i hate you"..that is you...who are you?
So, as I said in 2008 if Obama turns out to be a worse president than Bush, that would be a miracle because the probability of such an event is so low, that it would require a supernatural explanation.
elzoog 1 month ago
@crunchy68 hi there. Great comment
bagospannerz 1 month ago
The thing about miracles is: who cares? Even if they were 100% true, that would not matter to me when I go to decide how to live my life. I live according to my own best moral judgement, not because of a fear of a magical/miraculous being. Just being able to do miracles, EVEN if it "proves" that you are God, does not then automatically prove you deserve my everlasting praise and worship and obedience. The God of the Bible is a monster, when you look at his behavior and commandments.
Crunchy68 1 month ago
Christian apologist's do not claim that miracle's are supernatural.Rejection of miracles is based on argument from personal incredulity(argumentum ad ignoratium).God works in and through the natural world and within its "laws" -- while some miracles are beyond human capacity to duplicate, they hardly require any violation of nature's "laws".Put it this way: Why is it not a "violation" of the law of gravity when I pick up a box? Why IS it such a violation when God picks up that same box?
MrPsychedelia101 1 month ago
@MrPsychedelia101 lol because logic and the law of nature said so.
ripsawedcunt 1 month ago
@ripsawedcunt As I already said, rejection of miracles is based on argument from personal incredulity.By the same line of reasoning people who lived 2000 years ago would be considered valid to dismiss the possibility of modern "miracles" such as GPS and Telecommunications, simply because they would find it totally incomprehensible.
MrPsychedelia101 1 month ago
@MrPsychedelia101 It is not a miracle that i pick up a box because i'm producing a bigger force on that box to lift it than gravity to pull it down.
If a box is floating and has no means about why would that happen, it doesn't proof that god exist.
Imagine this. If a man came and said that he can lift the same box, without touching it and without using any detectable means, and he does, would you call him god? or someone with a really cool trick trying to fool you?
sesaruoosama 2 weeks ago
@sesaruoosama Son of a god or a fraud? But how do you know, maybe that man is a son of god?. Yes I know how did you lift that box. But if you knew scientific principles God used to perform miracles, it would not disproved them because raising the dead, creation of life, etc. is far beyond human capabilities.
MrPsychedelia101 2 weeks ago
@MrPsychedelia101 or maybe that man is a fraud. Remember that from an act to be considered a miracle, it must be impossible. If god uses the laws of nature to perform such acts, humans can do it too as soon as they know and understand the mechanisms to do it, including life.
Allow me to add that such appeal to ignorance is no evidence for miracles, much less god.
sesaruoosama 1 week ago
@sesaruoosama All matter in the universe interacts remotely, from the gravity of the celestial bodies to subatomic particles.Therefore if earth can hold moon in its orbit from great distance, like atomic nucleus can spin electrons, it is not difficult to imagine that God, using unknown and similar scientific principles could manipulate matter at molecular level to create life.
MrPsychedelia101 2 weeks ago
Excellent, I totally agree with your points. But here's a wrench: what is the Claimee supposed to do with this? I and a friend (who refuses to believe in the paranormal) both witnessed a "UFO" encounter that was so bizarre, I cannot come up with any explanation for it inside normal belief systems. I don't know what happened, so I'm stuck wondering for the rest of my life what truth is, and anything I say about it is just hearsay.
audiotrax2000 2 months ago
joe sounds really un-interesting
twizelby 2 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst I would say that a simple appeal to authority indeed will not do when speaking about miracles.
LouigiVerona 3 months ago
@TennisAnnalyst I am sorry, I don't understand the usefulness of such comparison. I do understand the use of assessing the probability of the discussed event itself. The appeal to the honesty of the person is the last resort. If you friend Bob tells you he flicked heads 45 times in a row and you know from years of friendship with him that he is not the kind of man to lie, you might consider that it indeed was an actual coincidence. However, you cannot add probability of him lying to add to that.
LouigiVerona 3 months ago
I don't understand how can you compare two probabilities - the probability of Joe lying and the probability of the coin. Those are separate events, no?
LouigiVerona 3 months ago
I actually use a different definition for "miracles". Instead of 'supernatural action', I use 'event with extremely low probability' because that is what people more-commonly refer as.
Even in scriptural claims, the idea always present is "This [extremely unlikely event] could only have been done by a supernatural force". Hence it seems more consistent to use 'my' meaning. Which of course then 'miracles' intrinsically don't need a supernatural entity...
onijester56 3 months ago
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You think you're smarter than God, or at least that you're smarter than those who believe in God. All you know is a little bit of math. God is bigger than your basic, but not really impressive, knowledge of probabilities.
bndeyo 3 months ago
you say we shouldn't beleive everything we hear so why should i beleive this
quickdrawle 5 months ago
@quickdrawle Because it's your choice to believe a certain thing, not all (every) things
OakRidgePunk777 4 months ago in playlist Atheist/heretic
@quickdrawle; Because it can be proven by you. That's what science is. It's probability.
rampaginwalrus 4 months ago
10 Heads?!?!.......nice.....
titteringfiend1 5 months ago
mIrAcLeS.
Sharagran 5 months ago
Scientism.
eagleeye2102 5 months ago
All hail lord Bob, son of God
fido1417 7 months ago
When you apply logic and reason one doesn't quickly realise all claims of miracles must be rejected. One realises that a miracle is highly unlikely to occur, however this does not rule miracles out.
And surely miracles by definition of events caused by God only appear sporadic and unlikely to us. We do not know Gods mind, We don't even know if miracles occur on a regular basis they're just so ingrained and underlying we don't see them (stopping a plane to crash before it ever does.)
papasee 7 months ago
@papasee "We do not know Gods mind"... so, we should just assume that whatever your god tells us, it's true?
tkathryyn 7 months ago
@papasee So God favors some people while not caring about others. He causes some planes to land safely while allowing others to crash. So you are taking away from the hard work, skill, and dedication of human beings to give credit to a fairy tale. Our drones killing women and children in Yemen, Iraq, and Pakistan in the name of a continuing crusade is proof there God is inactive and there is no such thing as a miracle. Either that or God is a huge dildo.
jw12yrsctch 7 months ago
@papasee I agree that we can't rule out the possibility of miracles. However, to establish that a miracle has occurred requires (in my opinion, at least) a pretty high standard of evidence. Thus far, things we have thought might be miraculous have been determined to likely not be such when scrutinized. I think this is where cdk007 was going in his video.
badnewsBH 5 months ago
..Is that they don't exist, they have never happened.. : )
winterstellar 8 months ago
you know that in the quraan (written aproximately 1400 years ago) it says stuff that only modern science began to discover (e.g. the universe's expantion, the big bang) and it wasn't implied it was boldly stated.
MrAzooz1994 8 months ago
@MrAzooz1994 no it doesn't at all. I come from a muslim family and the koran doesn't do anything for science. nothing
Bzdi138 8 months ago
All that man did not make is a Miracle. To have a loving human who is not a warmonger is a miracle too. The coin analogy is meaningless. God sees the heart, and the coin was not even made by God anyway. We want to be honest when we have God in us,and when we have him in us we will also be forgiving. Jesus tell us to be forgiving 7x70. That means not holding a grudge when a human makes an earthly mistake. 1:57,The son of God has to be in us non the less.Have that, and war will be no more.
kobidobidog 8 months ago
@kobidobidog "Have that, and war will be no more."
yes. that is exactly why no war has ever been started in the name of christianity.
no1 has ever been murdered in the name of god.
no-one has ever been burned..
well u get the idea
OmfgItsHenu 8 months ago
@OmfgItsHenu plenty of humans war in the name of God. What Holy war, Jihad is all about, and humans used Gods word to kill many. You need to bone up on history dud. America is called a nation under God, and wars. See persecution,and the persecuted will be Christians. Gods word says do not give evil for evil, but evil humans will say onward Christian soldier, and A Christian soldier will not kill anyone. Even Perter thought a Christan soldier was to carry a weapon, and almost committed murder.
kobidobidog 8 months ago
@kobidobidog " You need to bone up on history dud."
what? im not getting where my error was.
" America is called a nation under God"
well, it was added way after the declaration of independence. it wasnt in the original text.
"A Christian soldier will not kill anyone."
huh?
"Even Perter thought a Christan soldier was to carry a weapon, and almost committed murder."
who? what?
OmfgItsHenu 8 months ago
@OmfgItsHenu When Jesus was at Gethsemane, Peter one of Christs disciples had a sword, and when Judas betrayed Jesus Peter at first asked Jesus if he could use the sword to protect him, but Jesus said nothing,and Peter acting on his own swung the sword at the high priest. That swinging is mans idea of a good thing,and Jesus who is God in the flesh sees that as a bad thing. USA is swinging a sword too killing, swearing, taking Gods name in vain. Jehad humans think they are Christian warriors too.
kobidobidog 8 months ago
@OmfgItsHenu Jesus who is God is the prince of peace wanting to live in us to so we will seek peace even as he seeks peace.
kobidobidog 8 months ago
@kobidobidog that didnt make any sense
nor did it answer any questions.
or actually make a statement of any sort...
dude, you are so bad at having an actual intellect argument -.-''
OmfgItsHenu 8 months ago
@OmfgItsHenu Peter acted like America,and whoever else uses force thinking it is good, and war is also terrorism. God is a lover,and not a warmonger. terrorists think they are subconsciously a Christian soldier. The humans in the E,O,R, think the same,and the USA who proudly has one nation under God in their song to an idol are think they are Christian solders too. Had we be real Christian solders We would be hugging everyone,and not figuratively and literally using bayonets on each other.
kobidobidog 8 months ago
@OmfgItsHenu .Peter is one of Christs disciples,didn't you know that? He sliced off the ear of the high priest, are you aware of that?
kobidobidog 8 months ago
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@kobidobidog "he sliced off the ear of the high priest,"
how is that relevant to christianity-based wars then..?
that was what the argument was about.
OmfgItsHenu 8 months ago
...more evidence to support them. if what you say about the object existing proves the designer, you might as well say that sunsets are proof of a sunset making factory.
Mr12345EGGNOG 8 months ago
@MegaSage007 that's a pathetic piece of evidence. the universe isn't fine tuned for life, less than one percent of EARTH is life, and half of the fundamental forces (the weak force and gravity) are uneeded for life to function. also, it's been proven that planets, solar-systems, and life can form naturally (and before you say that "life has a 1 in 200^20 chance of appearing or anything, note that i didn't say "spontaneously form"). these processes are more likely than creation, as they have...
Mr12345EGGNOG 8 months ago
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and the miraculously created and brilliantly designed finely tuned universe is extraordinary evidence. Its your choice.
MegaSage007 9 months ago
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@szlagjasny It's good that you are willing to think for yourself. However, I am afraid you might be going down a dangerous path when you say things like "each person has his own theory". It seems like you might be saying since we can't know everything for absolute certainty that puts all ideas on equal footing. This is simply not the case. Some beliefs are supported by strong evidence and some are just bold assertions with no reason or evidence backing them up. God falls under the latter.
brez002 9 months ago
@szlagjasny It's good that you are willing to think for yourself. However, I am afraid you might be going down a dangerous path when you say things like "each person has his own theory". It seems like you might be saying since we can't know everything for absolute certainty that puts all ideas on equal footing. This is simply not the case. Some beliefs are supported by strong evidence and some are just bold assertions with no reason or evidence backing them up. God falls under the latter.
brez002 9 months ago
there are miracles ,
they happen all the time
just because the autor of this lame piece thinks there are no miracles
it does not mean that miracles are fake
every time a child is born - it is a miracle - a gift of life from God
szlagjasny 9 months ago
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@szlagjasny Not going to condescend your claim, just analyze it logically.
Miracles are defined as: an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
Children have been proven to be born from women in the same way for thousands of recorded years with a very easy explanation.
Conclusion: Birth is not a miracle.
Mike28115 9 months ago
@szlagjasny Every time a child is born? All this means is that the females reproductive organs are working properly, and the sperm from the male was potent and fulfilled its job. No miracle there.
disfigured75 9 months ago
@disfigured75
it is a miracle to me
you are limited to only what you see or others tell you
think for yourself
szlagjasny 9 months ago
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@szlagjasny The only way to prove that miracles happen is to prove the existence of God. Can you prove your God exists?
disfigured75 9 months ago
"just because the autor of this lame piece thinks there are no miracles it does not mean that miracles are fake". did you even listen to the end of the video? He says he is not claiming miracles don't occur; only that logically miracles should not be believed b/c they don't meet their burden of proof. And what reason do you have to call a child being born a miracle?
brez002 9 months ago
@brez002
life is a miracle
szlagjasny 9 months ago
@szlagjasny And what reason do you have to consider life a miracle other than just asserting it? Look, believe what you want to believe; but don't be so arrogant as to act like others are just listening to what ppl tell them without thinking for themselves when it seems like if anyone is doing that it is you.
brez002 9 months ago
"Call on God, but row away from the rocks" - Hunter S. Thompson
If god wishes to intervene, let him. But many have seen living without faith and religion is much more thought provoking. Life should be more fun, with more peace and love. It takes everyone to be free and not be stealing each others sh*t. Help each other move up, and dont hold each other back. If all someone does is beg for money, dont give them any, let them get up and find a way to survive.
boarder6246 9 months ago
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boarder6246 9 months ago
The assumption made at 4:00, just for the sake of discussion, is a REALLY big assumption.
rmcdaniel423 10 months ago
@rmcdaniel423 yea, it obviously is. But his point is that even if you completely disregard that possibility it is still a claim that shouldn't be believed.
brez002 9 months ago
I learned something new today from this video. Vivid images on the virgin Mary often appear on toast.
LifeLibertyLove 10 months ago
If magic is all that we've ever known, than it's easy to miss what really goes on....
DO YOU NOTICE AND RECOGNIZE MIRACLES?
MAGIC EVERYWHERE IN THIS BITCH!
BlissfullAwareness 10 months ago
Logically, miracles can be beleived. If you do not consider the map of prophecies laid out in Daniel chapter 11 as a a miracle, you have been extremely duped by the Devil. I do not blame you as we all have been duped by the Devil. But the book of Daniel is written in the 6th century BC (you can follow tails that say it was written later but you have cultural problems and prophecies of Rome you run into on that so it is more logical it was written in 6th century BC) and prophesies future events.
Danielezerable 10 months ago
These all are miracles in the bible (which are not unlikely to occur): life, physical reality, the Love of God.
These are all logical if God of the bible exists.
The unlikeliness of our existence is one of the non-biblical proofs God exists.
keksinnot 10 months ago
@keksinnot On the contrary, these are all logical even if the God of the bible DOESN'T exist.
1. The origin of life, although seemingly unlikely, is gaining more and more evidence in the scientific world to exist without a creator. See cdk007's video on the origin of life.
2. If you are defining physical reality as our universe and all that makes it up, evidence is also brought forth through the big bang theory that a creator was not needed to make up the content of the universe.
3. Continued
oranges6789 10 months ago
@keksinnot 3. The idea of a higher being or God can easily be seen as the root of fear of death and quest for explanation of the natural world. Fear of death leads to a hope of the afterlife, thus dampening the fear. Because God was the only explanation for the "how," he was revered for giving us knowledge. The "love" you speak of almost entirely comes from fear of displeasing the "loving" God and being damned for eternity in hell.
Unlikely =/= proof of supernatural being.
oranges6789 10 months ago
@oranges6789
1. I was trying to tell that the main miracles in the bible aren't rare (like a man rising from the dead is rare).
2. I made a logical statement.
3. I was pointing to one of the arguments, so you can study it by yourself.
To your 3rd: You should understand that: A: Judaist's do not believe in afterlife, or hell, yet they have the same OT. B: "Belive in Jesus and you will receive the Holy Spirit..", Christianity is based on personal revelation that IS promised. Not on fear.
keksinnot 10 months ago
@Stepanskiy23 An idea is a stored chemical compound in your biochemistry which can be recalled after approx 18 months of age, not earlier. The scientific term for this is called explicit memory. It responds to stimuli. And when you give someone an idea, they receive signals that wire their neurons and condition them to interpret this abstraction. Thus I argue that ideas are physical, since they are stored in our minds, which are also physical.
wingates2 10 months ago
@Stepanskiy23 EXACTLY, Ideas are not physical, nor are miracles. A Miracle is a change in perception inspired by God. But the world we see is but our perception of it. No one sees the world as it really is. This is why a miracle changes the world we see. It's merely a change in perception. The world we know is but in our mind. It's not outside of us. Everyone has experienced changes in perception. Let God change your perception and it becomes miraculous.
1971SuperLead 11 months ago
why didnt GOD write the bible.How did the egyptions survive the flood as the line of pharose predate the flood .
billbo1154 11 months ago
@billbo1154 Alien intervention
1971SuperLead 11 months ago
What is a miracle? An action that violates the laws of physics? Well then, sharing ideas is a miracle for they violate the laws of physics. The laws of physics says that is you give someone something you don't have it anymore. But like Jesus with his 5 loaves of bread....if you give your ideas to people....you still have your ideas! It's a miracle!
1971SuperLead 1 year ago
Since the beginning of religion people have been Murdered, sacrificed, brainwashed, convicted, ridiculed, abused, discriminated, by high powers of their church, and all in the name of God. Isnt that sad. This is all fact. Why am I an Atheist?? Once again, good job with this video.
just4comments123 1 year ago
Poor and shallow reasoning. Because something is unlikely does not mean it did not happen. You are here, unlikely as that is.
jimpucci1 1 year ago
@jimpucci1 "now I'm not claiming miracles don't happen" -from video, he's just arguing that miracles are the least probable explanations, so coming to that conclusion and disregarding any other possible cause is the real poor and shallow reasoning, if there's something you can't explain then the reasonable thing to do is make no conclusion, and leave it open for real conclusions if and when they present themselves, if you prove something was a miracle, I'll believe it.
HHHonoth 1 year ago
Since the greatest miracle is the creation of everything from what appears to be from a massive energy source & science confirms that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, the 1st law of thermodynamics. So it is reasonable and probably that God does exist and that He has order because we are orderly and all that sustains us is orderly and all we witness in science is about order; so this great energy source must also be orderly; just as the Bible tells us. Don't B the Ostrich w/head in sand.
7801Croc 1 year ago
@7801Croc OK, if it's "reasonable" to think God explains the existence OF and the order seen IN the Universe, then it's reasonable to ask: Where did he come from, and how do you explain his complexity (because it goes without saying - that he must be more complex than that which he created).
It's called infinite regression, and every instance of using God to explain things suffers from it - If he's the explanation, then what's his explanation, and his explanation's explanation?
steveb0503 1 year ago
@steveb0503 "It's called infinite regression" It is called human wisdom by God and is foolishness before Him. As a child I remember asking myself the question "if God created everything, then who created God?" I did not grow up in a religious home, but I had a mother who prayed a lot & still does. For a long time I thought I believed in God, the Creator, but that was a god of my imagination. Now I know the true & living God who has always existed, which was the answer to my childhood wonder.
7801Croc 1 year ago
@7801Croc Dude you need some serious help! You are talking about the Big Bang theory where science claims Energy can neither be created nor destroyed! Who created God then? I know you've mentioned that in your last comment but you still haven't answered the question. Who created God then?
If my theory isn't correct then your theory doesn't AUTOMATICALLY becomes correct!
attractivue 1 year ago
@attractivue "need some serious help!".."about the Big Bang theory" God always existed & He creates & He sustains; therefore He is the energy source of all creation. For anything to exist; something had to have always existed; that is pure logic. Since the Creator made creatures capable of love; this tells us something about the nature of this Creator & since things that sustain are orderly & complex; this tells us more about the Creator. U R right I/we need help & I received Him- will you?
7801Croc 1 year ago
@7801Croc How DOES that answer anything?
You might as well say that the Universe has always existed (in one form or another).
Would you find THAT to be an acceptable answer?
I mean, doesn't that strike you (at all) as the ONLY plausible answer that could have survived the first person (let alone the undoubtedly millions after) who asked: "Well then, who made God?"
THAT is what as known as a "just so answer", and it should be painfully obvious as such to anyone critically looking at the problem.
steveb0503 1 year ago
@steveb0503 LOL, do you not see the absurdity in your comments? I mean seriously! You demand for evidence for evolution and big bang and here you are make absurd claims such as he "God created everything". You people seriously have no hope!
attractivue 1 year ago
@attractivue "You people seriously have no hope!" That again is not only your fallible opinion, but human reasoning. True Christians; I have to say "true" because most are not. Have all we will ever need, which is a one-on-one relationship with the Living God in Jesus Christ. The Bible does exactly what it claims; it is active, living and sharper than a two-edged sword.
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness
7801Croc 1 year ago
@7801Croc HAHAHA, only delusional and I'm sorry to say 'crazy' religious people can turn a meaningul conversation into a relationship with Jesus, two edged sword and spaghetti monsters.
Its funny I was arguing with a Muslim on another video and he was 100% convinced of Allah and his prophet Muhammad and here YOU are 100% convinced of his relationship with Jesus and his father God.
Atleast Muslims have a real prophet to follow. Jesus prolly didn't even exist!
attractivue 1 year ago
@attractivue "HAHAHA, only delusional and I'm sorry to say 'crazy' religious people can turn a meaningul conversation into a relationship with Jesus, two edged sword and spaghetti monsters."
All you are doing w/out knowing it is reinforcing exactly what the Bible states that the unregenerate sinner will do and say when confronted with the truth, which is to mock God. However God will not be mocked without a price unless He so desires you to come to the knowledge of the truth - I pray He will.
7801Croc 1 year ago
@7801Croc Again the good ol' fear tactic. Why doesn't your God strikes me and other Atheists down? Answer: Because he doesn't exist!
Offcourse the fictitious authors of the bible and Quran knew that there will be some smart people who will not buy this bullshit hence they wrote about us that they will mock the God. Nothing special about this prediction!
When I'll make an extraordinary claim, I'll also say that some people will not believe me!
attractivue 1 year ago
@attractivue "Again the good ol' fear tactic" How can you say fear tactic; I cannot make you believe that God is living; He has made that obvious to the causal observer in His creation.
How can one fear that which he cannot see and will not take the time to see if such things are true? He is patient and stretches His arms out; one to restrain the evil w/ man and another to bring whosoever will enter into His salvation. That is part of the love of God that you scorn by your choice.
7801Croc 1 year ago
@7801Croc Thats the problem with you people, you write a whole paragraph about in this instance "God". Your first line is based on incorrect conclusion which makes the rest of the lines useless.
If God is visible to a "casual observer" then why don't scientists and rationale people see it? Why do always these crazy wild eyed and brain washed people see this imaginary character?
attractivue 1 year ago
@attractivue "If God is visible to a "casual observer" then why don't scientists and rationale people see it?" They do. "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse."
Robert Jastrow (September 7 1925 – February 8 2008) was an American astronomer, physicist and cosmologist. AND agnostic. Go to wilipedia for more info. CONTINUED ABOVE
7801Croc 1 year ago
@attractivue "why don't scientists" Who defines who is rational? You..LOL. ""For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." - Robert Jastrow - astronomer, physicist and cosmologist.
7801Croc 1 year ago
@attractivue I think you answered the wrong post - I'm on YOUR side!
steveb0503 1 year ago
@steveb0503 Oh sorry I meant to respond to the Croc!
attractivue 1 year ago
@attractivue He's a Croc alright... ;-)
steveb0503 1 year ago
@yhenry77 Dude, we just had a civil exchange of ideas on a YouTube comment page. High five for civil and all around pleasant discourse, between an atheist and theist no less!
GMH524 1 year ago
Since miracles by definition violate the laws of nature? Ok, 1) God is not of this world; the Bible says he is a spiritual being. 2) God lives in heaven which is a spiritual place. Since we CANNOT see God or Heaven, then it must be somewhere else (another dimension? - see string theory). Scientists have now discovered up to 11 dimensions in mathematical models and equations. Do you see where we are going with this? It doesn't take rocket scientist to figure it out. Try to think outside the box.
yhenry77 1 year ago
@yhenry77 I can certainly appreciate thinking outside of the box, that's how we get things done and move forward, but I can't help but think of all the fringe theists that say "God is unknowable" or "outside of nature" when close scrutiny of things such as supposed miracles or divine intervention fail to hold up to scrutiny, then claiming that there is a multitude of evidence for God's presence in the world. I'm sure that's not what you're saying, you seem to be on one side of that fence (cont.)
GMH524 1 year ago
@yhenry77 (cont.) and I certainly would be first in line to accept empirical evidence of something resembling God (atheist talking here, btw) so I can totally understand your position, and I hope that you aren't one of the flip floppers that changes the cosmic theology every time someone takes a position against it. In other words, I don't think there's any harm in LOOKING for God using science, but I do get my feathers ruffled when YEC's want to redefine science using God, if that makes sense
GMH524 1 year ago
@GMH524 I agree with your analysis of what true science should be; I think we can learn from each other. We do NOT want to get in a period of the dark ages when one group shuts out the other. There was a time when men thought the earth was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. Science has proved otherwise; I can still contend that science is NOT on anyone side, it just reveals nature. I find on both sides atheists and theists who don't have open mind, (thank God) you are not one of them.
yhenry77 1 year ago
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yhenry77 1 year ago
oh and dont you dare mention the quran as some crazy fary tale book it has countless scientiffic facts and im not talkin out my ass you get back to me il give you specific facts out of the quran
kartveli333 1 year ago
@kartveli333 Apostrophes, learn to love them, dude...the Koran is just as scientifically inaccurate as any book that isn't about science. No offense is intended, as usual, but you simply can't place that kind of weight on scripture, it will never deliver...claims of scriptural scientific foreknowledge NEVER hold up to scrutiny, no matter what your beliefs are. And this is coming from an atheist who is very supportive of moderate religion, so please believe this is good natured.
GMH524 1 year ago
your very intelligent, but you miss the point of those religions..... oh man ... i mean your really way off and its probably the fault of retards who preach them but still
kartveli333 1 year ago
The problem with your math is fundamental.... U cant mix two types of statistic material the way you do here.... This is a two step job... Step 1.Coinflip ten times, ALL HEADS is roughly a probability of 1/1000. Step 2. Joe is telling the truth 9/10 of the time.... There is now a 90 percent chance, that Joe is telling the truth about his 10 coinflips, ALL HEADS...
This material would now support a claim of a given miracle.... Not that i think it will ever happen.. DONT MIX MATH AND RELIGION..
BrianBartholin 1 year ago
@BrianBartholin But what about the Kabbala?
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
@SQuiRR3LM0nk3y Yeah... what about 'em... Please give me the latest updates. A amputee that miraculously got his body part bach... and the claim can be verifyed... id like to see that.. All the other miracles people mention, can either not be verifyed, or could much more easyly have a natural cause or a treatment to thank....
BrianBartholin 1 year ago
@BrianBartholin I was being sarcastic. You said don't mix math with religion and the Kabbala is Jewish mysticism that does lol.
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
@SQuiRR3LM0nk3y He he.... Good one... its just me that is a bit slow... c ya
BrianBartholin 1 year ago
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thedeadhalo 1 year ago
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The 1st Christians were pagans. Jesus's body disappeared from the crypt. What happened?
The 1st Christians ATE it and from this act came the EUCHARIST, in which the ceremonial wine and bread represent Jesus BLOOD AND FLESH.
Present day, Yanomami Venezuelan indian tribe practice endocannibalism, that's eating the dead people as a way for their dead to be alway a part of them.
Most Christian people consider this act Satanic. Christians are DEVIL WORSHIPPERS and not even know it.
BBradshawProductions 1 year ago
To the person who uploaded this video,
Why are you going to these lengths to try to sway deceive people - you who have no faith in God??? Lonely being miserable??
Your video is not worth 1 cent - JESUS CHRIST IS LORD
Pacifica74 1 year ago
@Pacifica74 He's not trying to deceive anyone. This is what he knows to be true. Just because you believe in something else doesn't mean that he's being purposely deceitful. After all, the bible teaches to love thy neighbour and to do unto others as you would do unto yourself. So get smart. Calling someone names and insulting them when they present their opinion is childish. Be firm in your beliefs and allow others the same privilege.
One truth, many paths, right?
floyd316 1 year ago
@floyd316 Listen carefully to what is said towards the end. He said he's not claiming that God or miracles don't exist, but logically miracles shouldn't be believed. Stelthfully his IS CLAIMING they don't exist. What he's really hinting at is "God might exist, but in any case don't believe any of his revelations or miracles of his deity." That is an athiest. You can't have God without God???
Belief is binary. It's on or it's off. Anything less than belief is unbelief. (see below)
Pacifica74 1 year ago
@floyd316 By exposing this I am loving my neighbor (Youtubers) He also taught Judge by reighteous judgement (the word of God - not us). If Jesus also described unbelievers as miserable for their conduct in Rev. 3:17, then I also have that right. I'm firm in my beliefs but this person is clearly not by playing both sides of the fence leaning more to pagan. I'm just calling him out. One truth-only one path. Christ -"I am the truth, the way and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Me."
Pacifica74 1 year ago
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jivimome 1 year ago
HM... How did the world started? Out of nothing right? Isn't that a miracle already? Think about it.
DenzelKapuno 1 year ago
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@DenzelKapuno "HM... How did the world started? Out of nothing right? Isn't that a miracle already? Think about it."
A) That is what religion is claiming, from nothing.
B) Science makes no such claim
C) We do not know honestly at this time
MakoSharkX 1 year ago
@DenzelKapuno No, "out of nothing" is what the religious claim happened. Read Gen. 1
yurity 1 year ago
@DenzelKapuno the world happened and can be explained using the laws of physics. so it is not a miracle
osemudiame123 1 year ago
@osemudiame123 A law comes from a lawgiver. God's glory is even in the unseen things.
Pacifica74 1 year ago
@DenzelKapuno The big-fucking-bang
xiKUDx 1 year ago
I agree with the CDK007's point in this video. Proof is needed to believe the claims of miracles or for that matter anything that people choose to put their faith in like jobs, spouse, goods, services, just about anything needs some type of verification or validation in each person mind to embrace it as real or as good for them. You have to base your beliefs on reason, not on some other human being's word.
ELAW67 1 year ago
bullshit
amazigh85 1 year ago
and i didnt say you were dumb, i said the video was dumb
doyce1000 1 year ago
the odds of getting heads instead tails on the first round is 50 percent, 2nd is 25, and then on, it was just a simple mistake on the video makers part, and it does make sense, you just dont agree with it.
doyce1000 1 year ago
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doyce1000 1 year ago
Belief in a god which is responsible for common phenomena observed by scientists is acceptable.
Belief in a theory of origin which doesn't result in the current observable universe is silly.
sobeita 1 year ago
people would rather of died than deny that Jesus wasn't ressurrected.
They would of lost nothing if they denied that Jesus ressurected, but instead they choose to die..
obviously they knew the truth.
Go God!!! :))
Go Jesus!! :))
doomgiver234 1 year ago
@doomgiver234 what truth? the truth is we all will die.
janto58 1 year ago
@doomgiver234 Amen! Amen to the glory of God!
Pacifica74 1 year ago
Your probabilities are all messed up. The sum of the probabilities should be 1 (100%). You used two probabilities from two different sets and end up with a 10% chance of a lie and a 0.1% chance of a truth. What happened to the 89.9%?
Get your statistics right.
sami296 1 year ago
@sami296 Also, the two sets of probabilities (Joe telling the truth or lying, and him getting 10 heads in a row) are entirely independent. The probability of one happening does not affect the outcome of the other.
sami296 1 year ago
@sami296 They are descriptive of the same event. In one case you have the observers chance ofnot reporting the correct values. In the other case the probability of the values themselves. The results are not changed, only how they are reported. You still have 0.1% chance of getting the ten heads wether he's lying or not. However if you know the person lies 10% of the times and the odds of getting those ten heads is 100 times worse, its 100 times more likely the person is lying.
Flem1337 1 year ago
this video is retarded, that would mean there is a 90 percent chance he was telling the truth not 50, the odds of him getting heads was 50, but if he tells the truth 90 percent of the time, and its a 90 percent chance he was telling the truth wtf, yeah, it says in the bible everyone is the son of god, and do you think anyone would believe any of the things that jesus said without seeing him do anything, probably not, people followed him because they had seen what he had done
doyce1000 1 year ago
@doyce1000 your answer makes no sense as does the childish namecalling or repeating the same reply twice.
janto58 1 year ago
this video is retarded, that would mean there is a 90 percent chance he was telling the truth not 50, wtf, yeah, it says in the bible everyone is the son of god, and do you think anyone would believe any of the things that jesus said without seeing him do anything, probably not, people followed him because they had seen what he had done
doyce1000 1 year ago
so; ur r u bascally saying were animals, i guess u have to be to belive in ur theory.first an extraordinary clam is the big bang theory.
second you dont need to evedence to belive in god, u just need a brain (the thing that seperates us from the animal); to see that there has to be a pupose.
and if u really look hard enough u will find the true religon.
Mr91Free 1 year ago
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" is by Carl Sagan. He meant that we need extraordinary evidence in order to BELIEVE an extraordinary claim.
UnmaskedTuxedo 1 year ago
Even believers will go to hell if there is one. Unless they follow the 613 rules. Their denial knowns no bounds. They will make up ANYTHING to avoid the realization that there is no God. The thought of no God makes them uncomfortable. The thought of being ruled over by other humans makes them feel worthless and weak. They hold on to this delusion to make themselves feel better and a part of something bigger and more grand. When in reality they're insane. *sign* Religion will end humans.....
LegendaryZody 1 year ago
@LegendaryZody Let me correct you in love. True believers in Christ are never sent to hell. Although still walking imperfectly because they still possess corrupted, fallen bodies -they are being continually renewed through the Holy Spirit, being saved through faith by the Lord's ordained process of sanctification (meaning being set apart) For those that love Him, it's not so much the outward appearance. He looks at the heart. A heart that is in line with His heart's desires- 1SAMUEL 16:7
Pacifica74 1 year ago
@Pacifica74 What exactly makes that true? What proof do you have that Heaven and Hell exist? Stfu and stop quoting from the Bible.
Give me a damn break. Give me proof and not preaching.
LegendaryZody 1 year ago
@LegendaryZody The Word is the only proof we have. (shrug) Sorry. No one has ever died and come back to tell us about it other than Christ. What can I say, you either have faith in His witness or you don't. Sometimes simplicity is the cloak truth hides under so we miss it. We believe it has to be more complicated than that.
Pacifica74 1 year ago
@Pacifica74 Sorry but, there is no proof or evidence that this Christ character came back from the dead. Oh and by the way the "Word" isn't proof. Just calling it like I see it man.
LegendaryZody 1 year ago
@Pacifica74 That isn't proof of any thing but a story. I guess the Bhagavad Gita is proof of Krishna by your logic. Mount Olympus is proof of Zeus. The Atzec pyramids are proof of Quetzalcoatl. Nothing personal, just thought I add my two sense lol.
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
@SQuiRR3LM0nk3y It's called faith. Until it becomes personal to you, you will miss it. I was the same for most of my life. For example, if my mother or father reveals something that happened way before I was born so that I could know it, I don't demand proof first and throw out their testimony. I trust and believe them. It's the same with God.
Pacifica74 1 year ago
There would need to be a miracle to get humanity out of superstition and willing delusion. If only there was a god to help with a miracle,.
cmk1964 1 year ago
You are epic. Its interesting though. I was doing some research on the bombardier beetle a while back and found that creationists have been using it to try and explain how evolution could not happen. It was interesting the things I fround. You should check it out. You might get some laughs. I am a realist. While I would love for there to be a God, to date, I still haven't found evidence of one. Perhaps I'll create my own holy book and get people to believe it. Then my daughter can be God.
LRWarrior 1 year ago
@LRWarrior I think the first evidence is the existence of the world and of us! Science has shown just how amazing this universe is, how can you not believe in God? The more we learn the more amazing the creator is shown to be.
novemberwh1skey 1 year ago
very reasonable argument. thank you.
cruciphile 1 year ago
i have same thoughts like u, but u also should have to deep observe the Qur'aan. And also remind u the prophet went to heaven on wingy horse called "burraq" no one has seen and no body saw the prophet, the followers had just faith in it.
hakku303 1 year ago
i have same thoughts like u, but u also should have to deep observe the Qur'aan
hakku303 1 year ago
The world has suffered from a delusion of pure madness, this is in part by years of wrong thinking and misinformation, propaganda and lies. Why has religion done this? To reap where men have not sowed, this distortion of truth was caused by mankind's love of wealth over knowledge and understanding. You are in the believing of something that is not the case, for you are not seeing what is before you in the correct context of presentation. You have lost knowledge of translation and logic
Lavere2009 1 year ago
This guy is calculating odds without taking in all the factors. What he is forgetting is that God is a person and when he does miracles, there is a reason behind it. How can he figure out what the odds are of God doing something, when he knows almost nothing about him? It's like any of you trying to guess what my favorite food or color. You cannot be so certain of the odds without all of the information.
QuelDroma366 1 year ago
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JezusSlave 1 year ago
What is your logic behind saying“it is assumed that we predicted the miracle before it happened”? That doesn’t seem to make sense at all given that a miracle is not predicted per say. At least not more than any other outcome given your assumption that you believe that is a possible outcome. That is not part of Hume’s argument, seems like you added that. And again, it doesn’t logically follow that you should NOT believe someone or that it didn’t happen. All that follows is that it is less likely.
IceKnight366 1 year ago
@IceKnight366 even better watch?v=5M9pphsSLPs&feature=sub
IceKnight366 1 year ago
You really don't see the obscenity of your reasoning? Their is far more to human judgment, then relying on statistical data. You should learn to know some one your close to and be able to sense when they are lying. The more you know them the harder it is for them to get away with a lie! Unless your a twit. So it is with life in general. The more you learn about life. The easier it is to distinguish truth from error.
Howie47 1 year ago
"I don't care who your dad is, you're spooking the fish!"
Thats funny
Cujoh 1 year ago
1. sum up all the claims of miracles since the beginning of time and calculate the probability that at least one has occurred.
2. calculate the probability that you and like minded people are wrong (trust me there is a chance of this).
3. examine both, and report back.
ag230387 1 year ago
I'm troubled that you are using probabilities as if they mean something. A probability is just a mathematical abstraction. For you to discount a direct personal experience, because a mathematical abstraction suggests that there is a low probability that you did experience it, well that's just one system of faith attempting to unseat another.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
@Jcolinsol Probability isn't 'just a mathematical abstraction' any more than geometry and trigonometry, which allow us to engineer the modern world, or calculus which allows us to explore the solar system. Probability is a concrete method of assigning values to particular possible outcomes. It was first used successfully on a large scale to calculate the British strategy (search 'Monte Carlo method') during the Battle of Britain and succeeded in defeating the Luftwaffe.
colourmegone 1 year ago
@colourmegone
I disagree with you. How do you measure math?
It is abstract, in that is is not physical or material, it bears no shape. Mathematics is an invention of the human mind. It is projected from the human mind onto our sensory experience, and we can use it to quantify, but not to reduce that experience, or the material universe that presume to be behind that experience.
Math is a language, and is no more real, than our words are real. And both are used to write science fiction. Heh
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
It must be indicative of something, besides the redistribution of wealth.
wilfredthebold 1 year ago
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AlphaBolt 1 year ago
well better believe in miracles than believe that all matters came out of no matter.
Miracle happened when faith also occur.Will it be a miracle that a person with cancer get healed instantly?Or exorcism?
teriiura 1 year ago
@teriiura
Then why didn't god heal my friend's 7 yr old daughter dying of Bone Cancer?? I'd expect that if there was ever a prayer that if there was ever a prayer that deserved granting, it would be for a beautiful 7 yr old little girl who hasn't even started to live yet. Don't you think? But what really hit home was when me & 2 friends went back to the children's Cancer ward & prayed for 3 other terminal kids. Those prayers weren't answered either! I wonder why?
Well, we know why, don't we?
Cootabux 1 year ago
@Cootabux i always have that comment?why this?why that?why i am poor?why i am sick? the bible says that because we are away from God we all deserve death.The bible says that before we get to consciousness we are innocent.
The most important for God it is not to heal this or make that rich,but that we spend eternity with him,and live with him.
Don't be a spoil kid."if God doesn't do that then i am angry!!" but i understand i use to be that way..God bless you and heal you.God is good and loves you
teriiura 1 year ago
@Cootabux by the way if you believe there is a God....life belongs to him and not yours,and not mine.He takes and gives...it is HIS,so don't judge him for what he did to what belongs to him.
You act like a spoil young kid crying " why this and why that...i am not happy".Imagine i do the same to you.Why did he spent his money for that?it is yours,not mine.
teriiura 1 year ago
@teriiura It is not petulant to ask God to account for his sins. He gives children AIDS, allows rape, murder, torture, often in his name by the way. Isaih 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Yeah, God is an evil and cruel being if he exists.
karmiolz 1 year ago
@karmiolz first i want to tell you that you are a childish fellow..saying :" i don't like you GOD because of them".
Second: I form light and create darkness.Light create darkness automatically...when you are not in the light ,you are of course in the darkness..pure and simple logic.
Third:i make peace and create evil,same logic for light,if you are not at peace:you are evil.Darkness itself don't exist if there is no light.
Children having aids are the result of sins of the parent.
teriiura 1 year ago
@karmiolz rape and murder are against what God prohibit...but it is people free choice that bring that.'
Love your neighbor as yourself....Jesus said.
You read your bible but your heart stays close to it.
I would say the same thing about americans,they are all murderers,war ,rape people in america,kill women,rape children ...but it is wrong to say that...they don't represent the USA
teriiura 1 year ago
@karmiolz same question to you...out of the millions verses in the bible that talk about the Love of God for his people and for the world..you have just remembered one?same question....do you ever read your bible?
So your prayers hasn't been answered?what a spoiled child you are...."GOD if you don't listen to me.....i hate you"..that is you...who are you?
teriiura 1 year ago