Condell, Dawkins and Harris are anything but credible proponents against Islam. The atheists who attempt to debunk Islam exist but their verbiage usually consists of 'we must do something about this Islamic threat for while Christianity is vile, Islam is the filth of our world and all Muslims have an agenda as dictated by their pedophilic Prophet..' etc... course it varies, but from my experiences that seems to be the case for the most part.
You are wrong - you are saying that Nazis have right to build Nazi cultural center next to Aushwitz or Maydanek. And before you retards make that stupid comment that is a freedom of religion - it is not. Islam is not a religion - Islam is 90% an ideology and it has 10 % religios componet. That is not a religion at all. It is not a religion like christianyty which is 100% religion.
And BTW I am an Atheist, was born in USSR and went to true atheist shcool.
its disheartening to see atheists as bigots if we atheists can see religion as man made we can see all mans belief are differnt[ie not all muslim hold the same belief]
Everyone has the same rights dispite their deluded belief,I would defend everyones freedom[including muslims] than discriminate on any group,leave discrimination and witch hunts to the religious.
What makes atheists like Matt and Martin etc better than religion is they do the oposit to religion ie they are fair and not prejudiced
AE did right on this one. This is not defending Islam. This is defending the Constitution.
I'll tell theists over and over how factually incorrect and morally repugnant their ideologies are, but I will never support violating their rights in order to push that point. As soon as we resort to tyranny, we'll have become the very thing that we despise.
I love the show, and usually agree with Matt, however he says in this clip, these guys are just muslims wanting to build a mosque, and have no agenda. He really should look up info' on the imam behind the mosque, and the where the funding is coming from to build the mosque
Yes, it's true. Marxist atheists hate the west, white people, and just wallow in guilt and self-hate. So they cannot criticise islam. Because that would be racist. And whenever muslims fuck white people, it's a good thing, because the white people don't deserve to have anything and they are so guilty that the least they can do is square down for a buttfuck.
We both know what trolling is. Leaving comments which are likely to be disagreed with, possibly of opinions you don't hold, with the intent of getting a reply in order to spout nonsense.
Reading the other comments I have left on this video, it is clear to all that I am more interested in discussion, than in leaving a comment for someone to disagree with.
@topperheartramada I am not suggesting that you do not hold the 'views' you present. I explicitly stated that I assume your comment is not sincere.
Your comment is too... ...intentionally abrasive for me to take it seriously. It's a silly claim, followed by attempted insult after attempted insult.
If you really want me to take it seriously, I will tell you what is wrong with some of your comment. I won't bother with all of it though, as it's not really worth the time. Hence, calling you troll.
@1TheLoneWolf1 Religion, as it is practiced today, is probably doomed to gradual extintion - at least in the civilised world. It is way too ridiculous to survive the development of science . But Islam is in many ways a lot worse than Christianity. It has a much clearer goal of world domination, and it is prepared to resort to much more aggressive means. Considerable parts of the Muslim world are engaged in a war of ideas (and bombs) whether we want to acknowledge that or not.
@topperheartramada i agree, religions will most likely fall away. a belief in a God or higher power may not fall away though. I've seen scientist(especially some quantum physicist) who believe that quantum mechanics is leaning towards that god exist. So who knows, maybe science will prove that god exist in the future, idk.
Every fucking religion is dangerous, regardless of the colour of the skin of the people who practice it! For fuck's sake, the xenophobia stinks something right foul here, and I've gotten right sick of hearing about "Islamification". Hey, guess what? Your beloved "western world" was "Christianized" hundreds of years ago! Why don't we fix that first, and stop bullshitting about the fucking idiots who bend over for Allah five times a fucking day?
@LichQueenKathie If the Westboro Baptist church wanted to build a "community center" on the site where Mathew Shephard was beaten to death, for being gay, there would be outrage.
Sure, the WBC didn't explicitly call for violence, but, they poisoned the atmosphere and empowered those who did want to do violence, just as the hateful Imams all over the world do.
@LichQueenKathie The question isn't whether it should be legal -- the letter of the law is quite clear, the Cordoba house is allowed to build their mosque there.
The real question is more abstract; is it ok?
I do not think that it is.
I think it's cynical, and disrespectful, to build an Islamic shrine, on the site of an Islamic-inspired hate-crime.
Just as it would be abhorrent to build a christian church at the site of a murdered abortion doctor.
@AnonymousElektron Your analagy of the situation is shit. Would it actually be terrible to build a Christian church at the site of a murdered abortion doctor? No. What would be terrible, is if after a Church was built, the people running the Church claimed a victory from God whilst referencing the death.
Can you see the difference? The real issue is not wether a Mosque can be built close to Ground Zero. You got it twisted, although you have made some good points elsewhere, your main one is bad.
3) Almost certainly violating the wishes of the dead, and the wishes of surviving family
4) While they may not have ever explicitly called for anyone's death, their preaching of how the victims were sinners, and weren't completely human, nor entitled to full human rights, certainly helped foster the atmosphere of hate, that lead to their death(s).
So, do you support Rev Falwell's Mathew Shephard memorial church and gay rehab center?
Hitchens, Dawkins,Harris, even Bill Maher are all comfortable going after Islam. I think its liberals that have the problem, yes fox news exists, but the press is mostly liberal, that's why the criticism is so absent. Yes it seems these same silent liberals will/have criticized/mocked Catholics, to be "edgy" or to prove their atheism. I'm not sure if its fear or their liberal anti white power indoctrination that makes them uncomfortable bashing any corrupt power that's not predominantly white?
@nerdwonder You need to redo your research, bud. Maher and Dawkins are both liberal. Sam Harris is a flaming liberal.
Most of the voices in the battlefield against Fundamentalist Islam in Europe (where it is a plague) are liberal or libertarian athiests, with the lone exception being Wilders.
@MrTouchShriek Granted, my experience is in North America. Things are not as bad here, except for the south park thing (Matt and trey are not liberal) which was an attempt to limit free speech in the name of Islams laws. I guess i mean its peoples liberalism not athesim that prevents them from realizing how ridiculous it is to bash Catholicism one minute while shouting "isamophobic" the next when some one suggests Islam causes violence. There is a blatant double standard here.
@nerdwonder the hosts of this show are afraid to address the real issues of this.
They use "it's technically legal" as a kludge to hammer anyone who brings up the very real issues surrounding the mosque.
I'm fine with the city council approving it.
BUT, the victims of Islam still have some very legitimate grievances that are worthy of discussion, and shouldn't be shut out so easily, by the atheist community.
@AnonymousElektron I agree that the attacks on 911 were inspired by religious hatred, i also think George Bushes decisions to go to war with countries that had little to do with it was also inspired by religion, now there are hundreds of thousands of innocent casualties from this. I dont see a clear "good guy" in any of it. It is two blocks away, exactly how many miles away is ok? They do have the right and they really have no obligation to accept shared responsibility for 911
@AnonymousElektron He said jesus told him to go to war, he thought demons were running loose in the middle east. I think religious people in power is always dangerous.
The invasion of Iraq was the confluence of many complex forces, but the Christian faith was one of them.
It was not a crusade.
And if you even read about the crusades, you'd know that they themselves weren't even about religion either, religion was just the abstraction of further complex forces.
@AnonymousElektron OHH assumptions, that means your getting desperate! Now i feel like an atheist experience host. I wish i could put you on hold so you would answer the question. So you think america is better than the middle east, great. You understand the legal right they have so your complaint is the distance from the site. How many blocks away is ok?
@nerdwonder there is a clear path from their ideology, to 9/11.
That's like saying that a group of neo nazis setting up an outreach center two blocks from a holocaust museum isn't bad, because they don't directly endorse violence, they just support the national socialist way of life, and they like to parade around in swastikas.
@AnonymousElektron Right because Islam is a race that considers itself genetically superior? Thats the worst analogy Ive ever heard. So exactly how many blocks away is ok so you can stop weeping over your flag?
@nerdwonder Christopher Hitchens (an intellectual that the people on the atheist experience could only dream of matching) put these points that you're making to rest quite well.
1) Iraq was a ward of the international community, and had no sovereignty to violate.
2) Collateral damage in Iraq was solely the responsibility of external elements bent on destabilizing the region.
@AnonymousElektron 1Yeah well Iraq had innocent people that were killed, i dont care who "owns" them. 2Yes i agree that innocent civilians were killed by countries outside of iraq that would benefit from its destabilization, like america and UK. 3Thats one hell of a claim, like what? Like people will be better off in the future? He had a time machine? George bush benefited from his dumb act, i can agree to that. Hitchens wasn't my god, i dont always agree w/ his perceptive
@AnonymousElektron On both sides the majority of the people are controlled by small groups that are both morally reprehensible both influenced by religion and both do not have the majorities interests in mind. The west allowed secular ideas about morality and science to flourish and religion lost influence, that is the difference. It is irrelevant, you agree they have the right, your complaint is the shear distance, how many blocks away is ok?
@AnonymousElektron Whether or not you think it's OK or not is irrelevant in the extreme. In a democracy, people will ALWAYS do things you don't like. Hell, even in a dictatorship people will do things you dislike despite them being illegal.
This is a total non-issue. Do they own the land? Yes. Do they have the planning permission? Yes. Do they have a team of builders who can build it? Yes. Note how your opinion was not asked. And neither should it be.
This guy's gone 2 far. If he likes analogies how about this: what if somebody who just happened 2 be an atheist did something bad and then somebody wanted to built an atheist community in that area (how often does that happen!?) would he be against it, then?
@sorawadokokara wait a sec. I've just read my own comment and I realized what I just wrote. Yes I'd be against that too, but only because of the negative association
His analogy of Fred Phelps doesn't work in practice either. The Roman Catholic Church turned the SS headquarters building ON THE GROUNDS of Auschwitz in to a convent decades ago, and it still exists there despite protests by Holocaust survivors that this is inappropriate.
So, the Christians HAVE done something that insulting and have refused to acknowledge it.
@shadesters. The flood was "global" in the sense that it affected all of mankind whose entire population was concentrated in the area where the flood occurred. Keep in mind that this occurred at an early stage of the living creatures' life on Earth, hence the inclusion of animals in Prophet Noah's ark.
@fredmanjr10 So if someone pulled a prank on you and you reacted with a "I'm gonna kill you for this!" it would literally mean you would? You can't possibly be that thick...
@fredmanjr10 Have you never heard of common colloquial phrases? Have you ever said something blew your mind? Does that mean you actually took hallucinogens or put a gun to your head? And about islam taking over the country.. My GOD you're thick.
@xebek By not believing in God as the creator of the universe and mankind he hates God and loves himself. He doesn't hate christians? If he hates Christian beliefs he hates christians. I mean really. So your saying that the athiest hates our beliefs but loves the person. That is ridiculous.
@fredmanjr10 "By not believing in God as the creator of the universe and mankind he hates God and loves himself."
-Read that again. Slowly..
"So your saying that the athiest hates our beliefs but loves the person. That is ridiculous."
-Hmm..and who was it that said hate the sin not the sinner? I think you get the idea. I hope. Most, if not all, xtian beliefs are immoral and nutty. Doesn't mean I think the actual believers are necessarily bad. Nutty, yes. And I never said love.
I love that he mentioned Pat Condell. Because everyone knows how celebrated Pat Condell is around here for criticizing Islam. I'm surprised he didn't mention Thunderf00t. I don't agree with everything the caller says, but if we're talking about Youtube atheists, the TITLE IS TRUE! What's worse, there's not just the tip-toeing, Youtube atheists who criticize Islam are often ganged up on and character assassinated.
I get what the caller is saying, and I think Matt is wrong. Matt says that Phelps is deliberatly spreading a (hateful) message and the people building the mosque are not. I disagree. Islam IS a message of hate. I understand that it is the law they can build and there is no easy answer but I would have been more sympathetic to the caller.
Well, when a religion has no god and its creator invited his followers to doubt and personally check anything - including his own words - there's little to attack and to afraid from :-))
No matter what religion you claim, political belief, creed, ideology.... i dont care, you cannot deny that Matt Dillahunty is a top notch skilled debater and very intelligent logical thinker.
Sam Harris stated in his book "The End of Faith" moderate religious beliefs are dangerous because they provide the context in which Scriptural literalism and religious violence can never be adequately opposed.
there are legal and illegal issues, and there are some that are just in bad taste. what if someone legally obtained permits to built a gun shop/factory near columbine high school or virginia tech? would any decent person still support it?
some muslims can be very dangerous, cause they support their ignorance with science and show a illusion of intelligence. I see these people growing in number everyday and they talk about taking over Europe and USA, it scare me.
The caller's entire premise is that the people who want to build park 51 are equal in some way to Fred Phelps (may he die sooner than later). There's no reason to believe that this is the case.
@XXXFreeSpirit everyone´s scared of islam, they are if they´re smart, islam is dangerous, they like to kill people for drawing cartoons and writing fiction.
They believe in their imaginary friend Ala so passionately that they are willing to go so far as to actually behead people for talking shit about Ala. That same Ala who doesn't even exist except in their imagination. Talk about being delusional.
@yatter1 A religion does not kill. Religious people do. The fact that you use this example shows how little you know or how ill you have been informed. Look up Paul Jennings Kill. Or Michael Frederick Griffin. Or Eric Robert Rudolph. All non-Muslims who recently killed for their religious beliefs. Who should a few Muslims get more bad press than these Judeo-Christians, I hear you ask? That, my friend, is called xenophobia. And/or fear-mongering.
@LOGIC42369 The CIA, FBI, ATF are completely under Jesuit control. The Jonestown massacre, the Waco massacre and other massacres(including the Twin Towers) were all orchestrated to cause worldwide abhorrence and demonization of any group that seeks to get out from under the control of the worldwide Jesuit influence, domination, subversion and infiltration.
I've never understood why people kept bringing up the First Amendment in the Ground Zero Mosque debate - most of the Tea Party (there were a few - always are a few) weren't calling for government intervention, were they? Only for them to stop. The Constitution doesn't give you any moral rights, only legal ones. Not that Park51 were in the wrong, but Constitutional rights are only freedom from government, not protest.
...and is there one closer? I thought the nearest was a bit further out.
If it really was a mosque nobody would care! But a cultural center will bring a clear message that "ALL muslims AREN'T terrorists" to non-muslim New Yorkers. And that screws up Christian fontamentalist agenda significally! That is all -whatever fanatical christian propaganders, trolls and clone-agents say here!
Note: The video says that there are mosques closer to Ground Zero than "Cordoba"!
Actually a muslim cultural center somehow screws up all far-right wing propaganda even if it comes from Christian fontamentalists, KKK, Neonazis or Third-positionists -especially the last were muslims replaces Jews as the "evil"! Third Position seems to be the "marriage" between Western and Israeli far-right wing!
Dude, the only "fundamentals" in this video are in how you fundamentally misunderstood it. These people aren't saying, "you will believe what I believe," they are showing the caller how they are being DEMONSTRABLY IGNORANT, and *obviously* so. There's a *HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE* difference, and you're being a moron, quite honestly, if you can't see it.
I mean, you might as well claim that "Mathematics" is a "dogmatic religion that worships Calculus with Newton as his prophet!" You'd be equ
Religious rights legally are always lower positioned than human rights relating e.g. to characteristics like gender or race. You have the right to BELIEVE what you want, but the limit is at the point where you ACT. You're not allowed to ACT like you want, e.g. to reason the discrimination of women by your religious beliefs. This is highly unconstitutional and there must be many MORE restrictions, not less
@thekingofassholes What about the discrimination against you because of your religious believes or the fact that you were born in another country -considering that refugees and poors usually stay home and rich Wanabees are usually immigrating (as John Doe Goebels says)-?
@Peristerygr Not to stir you up, just a clarifying point. Refugees do NOT stay home. That is one of the things that make them refugees. They are forced FROM home to seek REFUGE in another region or country.
@keepdancingmaria I know! I just saw the profile of the "kingofassholes"(the nickname explains everything) -he says that short of crap on his profile: that "immigrants are coming just to destroy America, or the West in general! So I desided to fuck his mind a little so he would stop the "immigrand-invaders" crap!
@Peristerygr I see. Best of luck to you. I think you have set yourself an herculean task. Impossible, yet noble. That kind of crap is never stopped because spouting it releases dopamine in the brain and that guarantees its continuance.
A true atheist doesn't bash any believer on any religion nore they call "......lover" who ever supports the rights of any believer!
Note: they are trying to built a cultural center! They are naming it "Cordoba"! Cordoba was a multicultural city -something like New York of Al Antalus! From Reconquista to present it is a Spanish city!
@thekingofassholes Those "atheists" I mentioned before also say that immigrants -obviously they are NOT poor guys or refugees trying to save their lives nor stateless people- come to the West to destroy it from the inside! Note: I was calling the "atheists" heronically. I ment grandsons or mimes of Josef Goebels!
These anti-Muslim bigots can't get it through their head that when your logic falls flat on its face of confusion, you are supposed to accept your mistake and own up to it. My Zeus, these people are dense.
@luedieniel I see what you're saying. Even if some crazy muslims did 9/11 it still doesn't mean their motivation was islam. Saying islam was behind 9/11 is just a pure nonsense.
both sides believe in a supernatural man who tells them to do stupid shit, I see no difference between a muslin terrorist or a christian terrorist, you are all fucking insane morons who cannot think for themselves.
Me too and this is the first time that I disagree with Matt. He's correct, because the Muslims represent part of the anti Neocon anti establishment because they've been the victim. The only one who fights is Hitchens
I don't quite understand why they got so angry with him. I disagree with him and they are right (IMO) but again, I'm not sure why they (Matt in particular) blew up at this guy the way they did. Am I missing something? What's with the anger?
@nowgleaning Some guy was commenting against the Mosque, so I asked him if he believed that all 4.5 billion Muslims in the world are terrorists. He said "of course not, don't be stupid", so I asked him why he opposed this Mosque? He said "because they are connected to the terrorist." So I said if you can show me the connection, I'll join you against this Mosque. He said "All Muslims are terrorists." How can you not get frustrated and angry with this kind of self-contradictory stupidity?
A big thing about this debate is that these people have never been to NYC. There's skyscrapers in between the mosque and ground zero! It's not remotely it's blocks away with a bunch of businesses like restaurants and bars in between. Is the political ideology of every place of business near ground zero in question now? It really was a non issue from the start. Why is this guy so angry.
is it fair to say im christian and i think that the mosque should be allowed to be built? hope many atheists here will for what Matt Dilahunty said and not have a 'guilt by association mentality' when it comes to christians and most issues, but especially this...
@jamaicanification It would be stupid to apply "guilt by association" to Christians in regards some Christians 'guilt by association mentality.' There are probably some atheists who would, but i hope you don't associate that with other atheists.
@jamaicanification Its not a matter of allowing the muslims to build the mosque you have to ask yourself why do they want to knowing it will cause offense to some???
@jamaicanification I feel I speak for many atheists when I say that we aren't criticizing you but mostly the fundamentalists. They are the ones who seek religion to have an impact on politics, that's what I disagree with mostly, not what you do in your personal life.
Muslims have always built mosques on the site of major military victories. That is all this is a thinly masked symbol of conquest and a celebration of over 2,700 dead “Enemies of Islam.”
that's an interesting point. 5:52-6:05 is that true? if it is, shouldnt THOSE closer mosques be considered symbols of conquest? or does it necesarily need to be a new one? also why build it further away from the ones they already have?
@sabin97. I know that there are mosques closer to ground zero than the one they wish to put up now. The difference is that those closer mosques were built before 9/11 and were intended to simply be places of worship so I would say the issue is not that it is a mosque, but rather their intentions. Another thing to consider is that the building they wish to turn into a mosque was struck by debris from one of the 747s. That would make it a historical site
oh, i didnt know...i dont pay much attention to ny. about the debris, wouldnt those debris have been striking more when closer to ground zero? wouldnt that make the closer mosques historical sites as well?
dont get me wrong i dont care if they build their thing or not. but i find it curious(and i think you may be right about the intentions thing).
it will be interesting to see who will win in the end.
@sabin97. Yes debris would have been hitting every building in that general area. For that reason anyone that takes the time to fill out the paper work with the American Historical Association could claim a building a historical site. Of course that has to be verified by the American Historical Association but in this case that is not hard. I do think that entire let's build a mosque thing is a provocation
Der, um ah yeah.... So um I have something to say and um ah... You're wrong and I'm right, and um other stuff no one can understand, but further more... God... Yeah you are dumb and will burn for eternity... God's grace and all that stuff. Gays are bad, Burn in hell, and white people are the only clean race. Accept Jesus as your personal savior and moral compass.
Interesting stuff. I've never, never, EVER heard one single muslim call into this show. Or any other religious person that is not a christian for that matter. Somehow christianity have to pull up the burden of "all religions".
@cookmark63 Sorry but you can politely fuck off, this is a free forum and trying to impose limits on other peoples vocabulary because you are to immature or twee to understand that words are just that, is much more offensive to me that if someone embellishes their sentences with the occasional "swear word."
If someone wanted to build a mega church down in the south right next to an area where black people were killed by the kkk, should we stop them or is there a double standard in the Christian community? Okay for a church to be built anywhere - but not for a mosque?
As a person from Virginia, I'm a bit annoyed with this fool and his idiotic comparisons. With this silly guy and Pat Robertson, along with the anti-gay Attorney General here, Virginians are getting a terrible rap these days.
1) the civic (de facto) religion in the US is supposedly Christian, as in, it's a lot easier to get elected/respected if you claim to be Christian,
2) People claiming to be Christian are the ones oppressing and badmouthing atheists in the US, whereas American Muslims have bigger fish to fry than picking on Atheists, since they have are also discriminated against in U.S., and
3) maybe they think picking on Islam would be dangerous (stereotype).
@WhoKnowsDenver. People tend to rebel against the things that affect them the most. There are more Christians than Muslims in the US. So more American Atheist go after Christianity. I attack The Roman Catholic Church more than I do other types of Christianity because I was raised in a strict Catholic household, which I latter rebelled against. I'm now an Atheist and the biggest target for me is my old faith.
Condell, Dawkins and Harris are anything but credible proponents against Islam. The atheists who attempt to debunk Islam exist but their verbiage usually consists of 'we must do something about this Islamic threat for while Christianity is vile, Islam is the filth of our world and all Muslims have an agenda as dictated by their pedophilic Prophet..' etc... course it varies, but from my experiences that seems to be the case for the most part.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 days ago
You are wrong - you are saying that Nazis have right to build Nazi cultural center next to Aushwitz or Maydanek. And before you retards make that stupid comment that is a freedom of religion - it is not. Islam is not a religion - Islam is 90% an ideology and it has 10 % religios componet. That is not a religion at all. It is not a religion like christianyty which is 100% religion.
And BTW I am an Atheist, was born in USSR and went to true atheist shcool.
TheWersum 1 week ago
its disheartening to see atheists as bigots if we atheists can see religion as man made we can see all mans belief are differnt[ie not all muslim hold the same belief]
Everyone has the same rights dispite their deluded belief,I would defend everyones freedom[including muslims] than discriminate on any group,leave discrimination and witch hunts to the religious.
What makes atheists like Matt and Martin etc better than religion is they do the oposit to religion ie they are fair and not prejudiced
ahhninjadragon 2 weeks ago
AE did right on this one. This is not defending Islam. This is defending the Constitution.
I'll tell theists over and over how factually incorrect and morally repugnant their ideologies are, but I will never support violating their rights in order to push that point. As soon as we resort to tyranny, we'll have become the very thing that we despise.
PazingerZ 4 weeks ago
Muslims also have historically built victory mosques over particular places they've conquered, and or attacked.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 month ago
I love the show, and usually agree with Matt, however he says in this clip, these guys are just muslims wanting to build a mosque, and have no agenda. He really should look up info' on the imam behind the mosque, and the where the funding is coming from to build the mosque
1TheLoneWolf1 1 month ago
Yes, it's true. Marxist atheists hate the west, white people, and just wallow in guilt and self-hate. So they cannot criticise islam. Because that would be racist. And whenever muslims fuck white people, it's a good thing, because the white people don't deserve to have anything and they are so guilty that the least they can do is square down for a buttfuck.
topperheartramada 1 month ago
@topperheartramada Troll fail is Troll.
57worldwide 1 month ago
@57worldwide Troll is people leaving comments with no content, such as yourself.
topperheartramada 1 month ago
@topperheartramada Troll fail.
We both know what trolling is. Leaving comments which are likely to be disagreed with, possibly of opinions you don't hold, with the intent of getting a reply in order to spout nonsense.
Reading the other comments I have left on this video, it is clear to all that I am more interested in discussion, than in leaving a comment for someone to disagree with.
That is why you fail.
57worldwide 1 month ago
@57worldwide So you are suggesting that I do not hold the views I oresent in my comments? Suit yourself, I care not.
topperheartramada 1 month ago
@topperheartramada I am not suggesting that you do not hold the 'views' you present. I explicitly stated that I assume your comment is not sincere.
Your comment is too... ...intentionally abrasive for me to take it seriously. It's a silly claim, followed by attempted insult after attempted insult.
If you really want me to take it seriously, I will tell you what is wrong with some of your comment. I won't bother with all of it though, as it's not really worth the time. Hence, calling you troll.
57worldwide 1 month ago
@topperheartramada
You're right. I despise all religions, however islam is the most vile and dangerous in the west.
Still all religions should, and need to be equally ridiculed.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 month ago
@1TheLoneWolf1 Religion, as it is practiced today, is probably doomed to gradual extintion - at least in the civilised world. It is way too ridiculous to survive the development of science . But Islam is in many ways a lot worse than Christianity. It has a much clearer goal of world domination, and it is prepared to resort to much more aggressive means. Considerable parts of the Muslim world are engaged in a war of ideas (and bombs) whether we want to acknowledge that or not.
topperheartramada 1 month ago
@topperheartramada
Completely in agreement with you.
1TheLoneWolf1 1 month ago
@topperheartramada i agree, religions will most likely fall away. a belief in a God or higher power may not fall away though. I've seen scientist(especially some quantum physicist) who believe that quantum mechanics is leaning towards that god exist. So who knows, maybe science will prove that god exist in the future, idk.
18rubiks 3 weeks ago
The plans for that community center to be built were well underway before 911
MTVVH1sucks 2 months ago
@MTVVH1sucks nonsense.
The ground zero victory mosque was explicitly built to "bring some good" out of the events of 9/11, as if they needed Islam to help.
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
Every fucking religion is dangerous, regardless of the colour of the skin of the people who practice it! For fuck's sake, the xenophobia stinks something right foul here, and I've gotten right sick of hearing about "Islamification". Hey, guess what? Your beloved "western world" was "Christianized" hundreds of years ago! Why don't we fix that first, and stop bullshitting about the fucking idiots who bend over for Allah five times a fucking day?
LichQueenKathie 2 months ago
@LichQueenKathie If the Westboro Baptist church wanted to build a "community center" on the site where Mathew Shephard was beaten to death, for being gay, there would be outrage.
Sure, the WBC didn't explicitly call for violence, but, they poisoned the atmosphere and empowered those who did want to do violence, just as the hateful Imams all over the world do.
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
@LichQueenKathie The question isn't whether it should be legal -- the letter of the law is quite clear, the Cordoba house is allowed to build their mosque there.
The real question is more abstract; is it ok?
I do not think that it is.
I think it's cynical, and disrespectful, to build an Islamic shrine, on the site of an Islamic-inspired hate-crime.
Just as it would be abhorrent to build a christian church at the site of a murdered abortion doctor.
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
@AnonymousElektron Your analagy of the situation is shit. Would it actually be terrible to build a Christian church at the site of a murdered abortion doctor? No. What would be terrible, is if after a Church was built, the people running the Church claimed a victory from God whilst referencing the death.
Can you see the difference? The real issue is not wether a Mosque can be built close to Ground Zero. You got it twisted, although you have made some good points elsewhere, your main one is bad.
57worldwide 1 month ago
@57worldwide I didn't have time to go into further detail, as this is constrained by a youtube comment.
What if, it wasn't just any church, but, a deeply homophobic evangelical church?
And they were building it there, specifically to "make something good from this tragedy"?
Granted, it doesn't mean that the Christians are murderers, but, they're:
1) Cynical and dishonest about their motives
2) Exploiting an a hate-crime to further their own agenda
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
@57worldwide
3) Almost certainly violating the wishes of the dead, and the wishes of surviving family
4) While they may not have ever explicitly called for anyone's death, their preaching of how the victims were sinners, and weren't completely human, nor entitled to full human rights, certainly helped foster the atmosphere of hate, that lead to their death(s).
So, do you support Rev Falwell's Mathew Shephard memorial church and gay rehab center?
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
Hitchens, Dawkins,Harris, even Bill Maher are all comfortable going after Islam. I think its liberals that have the problem, yes fox news exists, but the press is mostly liberal, that's why the criticism is so absent. Yes it seems these same silent liberals will/have criticized/mocked Catholics, to be "edgy" or to prove their atheism. I'm not sure if its fear or their liberal anti white power indoctrination that makes them uncomfortable bashing any corrupt power that's not predominantly white?
nerdwonder 2 months ago
@nerdwonder You need to redo your research, bud. Maher and Dawkins are both liberal. Sam Harris is a flaming liberal.
Most of the voices in the battlefield against Fundamentalist Islam in Europe (where it is a plague) are liberal or libertarian athiests, with the lone exception being Wilders.
MrTouchShriek 1 month ago
@MrTouchShriek Granted, my experience is in North America. Things are not as bad here, except for the south park thing (Matt and trey are not liberal) which was an attempt to limit free speech in the name of Islams laws. I guess i mean its peoples liberalism not athesim that prevents them from realizing how ridiculous it is to bash Catholicism one minute while shouting "isamophobic" the next when some one suggests Islam causes violence. There is a blatant double standard here.
nerdwonder 1 month ago
@nerdwonder the hosts of this show are afraid to address the real issues of this.
They use "it's technically legal" as a kludge to hammer anyone who brings up the very real issues surrounding the mosque.
I'm fine with the city council approving it.
BUT, the victims of Islam still have some very legitimate grievances that are worthy of discussion, and shouldn't be shut out so easily, by the atheist community.
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
@AnonymousElektron I agree that the attacks on 911 were inspired by religious hatred, i also think George Bushes decisions to go to war with countries that had little to do with it was also inspired by religion, now there are hundreds of thousands of innocent casualties from this. I dont see a clear "good guy" in any of it. It is two blocks away, exactly how many miles away is ok? They do have the right and they really have no obligation to accept shared responsibility for 911
nerdwonder 1 month ago
@nerdwonder that, sir, is retarded.
You can't seriously be comparing George Bush, to someone like the Ayatollah, or members of Al Queda.
Bush isn't even religious, that's just crap he says to win elections.
You can't seriously think he's christian, can you?
And even if he WAS, that wasn't the motivation to goto war -- it was the billions in no-bid contracts for his companies.
And hundreds of thousands did not die, that too, is retarded.
Are you getting that from the lancet?
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
@AnonymousElektron He said jesus told him to go to war, he thought demons were running loose in the middle east. I think religious people in power is always dangerous.
nerdwonder 1 month ago
@nerdwonder that's absolutely incorrect.
George Bush is not a religious man.
The invasion of Iraq was the confluence of many complex forces, but the Christian faith was one of them.
It was not a crusade.
And if you even read about the crusades, you'd know that they themselves weren't even about religion either, religion was just the abstraction of further complex forces.
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
@nerdwonder The American occupation forces have not forced anyone to convert to Christianity.
American soldiers have given their lives defending Iraqi mosques.
Some people have chosen to read waaay to much into quotes mined from George Bush.
You're probably also a truther, too, aren't you?
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
@AnonymousElektron OHH assumptions, that means your getting desperate! Now i feel like an atheist experience host. I wish i could put you on hold so you would answer the question. So you think america is better than the middle east, great. You understand the legal right they have so your complaint is the distance from the site. How many blocks away is ok?
nerdwonder 1 month ago
@nerdwonder there is a clear path from their ideology, to 9/11.
That's like saying that a group of neo nazis setting up an outreach center two blocks from a holocaust museum isn't bad, because they don't directly endorse violence, they just support the national socialist way of life, and they like to parade around in swastikas.
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
@AnonymousElektron Right because Islam is a race that considers itself genetically superior? Thats the worst analogy Ive ever heard. So exactly how many blocks away is ok so you can stop weeping over your flag?
nerdwonder 1 month ago
@nerdwonder Christopher Hitchens (an intellectual that the people on the atheist experience could only dream of matching) put these points that you're making to rest quite well.
1) Iraq was a ward of the international community, and had no sovereignty to violate.
2) Collateral damage in Iraq was solely the responsibility of external elements bent on destabilizing the region.
3) Much good came out of the invasion
4) You're not as smart as George Bush
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
@AnonymousElektron 1Yeah well Iraq had innocent people that were killed, i dont care who "owns" them. 2Yes i agree that innocent civilians were killed by countries outside of iraq that would benefit from its destabilization, like america and UK. 3Thats one hell of a claim, like what? Like people will be better off in the future? He had a time machine? George bush benefited from his dumb act, i can agree to that. Hitchens wasn't my god, i dont always agree w/ his perceptive
nerdwonder 1 month ago
@nerdwonder maybe you should listen to people who actually lived in Iraq, among its people, and witnessed the events unfolding first hand.
The report that you're attempting to cite, about the hundreds of thousands dead, is by the British medical journal, The Lancet.
They did a survey by mail, which is where they came out with the 100k+ dead.
It's questionable, at best.
And deaths in Iraq aren't the result of a Christian hate crime.
Incompetence, at best, but not malice.
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
@AnonymousElektron Both sides have innocent blood on their hands. So exactly how many blocks away is ok? One response will be fine.
nerdwonder 1 month ago
@nerdwonder NO, you're making it sound as if both sides are morally equivalent, they are not.
One side is a bunch of book-burning, homophobic, sexist, racist, Islamic bandits, the other side is civilization.
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
@AnonymousElektron On both sides the majority of the people are controlled by small groups that are both morally reprehensible both influenced by religion and both do not have the majorities interests in mind. The west allowed secular ideas about morality and science to flourish and religion lost influence, that is the difference. It is irrelevant, you agree they have the right, your complaint is the shear distance, how many blocks away is ok?
nerdwonder 1 month ago
@AnonymousElektron Whether or not you think it's OK or not is irrelevant in the extreme. In a democracy, people will ALWAYS do things you don't like. Hell, even in a dictatorship people will do things you dislike despite them being illegal.
This is a total non-issue. Do they own the land? Yes. Do they have the planning permission? Yes. Do they have a team of builders who can build it? Yes. Note how your opinion was not asked. And neither should it be.
LichQueenKathie 1 month ago
@LichQueenKathie I'm absolutely entitled to express my opinion.
You don't have to like it.
But, this is exactly what I was talking about.
You're using this to silence any kind of discussion on the matter.
You could say exactly the same thing about the Westboro Baptist church.
"They're technically allowed to harass these victims of tragedy, end of discussion, stop talking about it!"
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
@LichQueenKathie It's sad to see atheists shy away from talking about this.
And this has deeper implications than simply the letter of the law, and is absolutely worthy of further dialog.
I am concerned about the Westboro Baptist Mosque.
And being a New Yorker, and knowing victims of this hate-crime, I completely sympathize with their disgust.
Further more, the Cordoba Initiative made implied threats about "violence" if their mosque wasn't allowed to be built.
AnonymousElektron 1 month ago
This guy's gone 2 far. If he likes analogies how about this: what if somebody who just happened 2 be an atheist did something bad and then somebody wanted to built an atheist community in that area (how often does that happen!?) would he be against it, then?
sorawadokokara 2 months ago
@sorawadokokara wait a sec. I've just read my own comment and I realized what I just wrote. Yes I'd be against that too, but only because of the negative association
sorawadokokara 2 months ago
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His analogy of Fred Phelps doesn't work in practice either. The Roman Catholic Church turned the SS headquarters building ON THE GROUNDS of Auschwitz in to a convent decades ago, and it still exists there despite protests by Holocaust survivors that this is inappropriate.
So, the Christians HAVE done something that insulting and have refused to acknowledge it.
moopism 2 months ago
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moopism 2 months ago
@shadesters. The flood was "global" in the sense that it affected all of mankind whose entire population was concentrated in the area where the flood occurred. Keep in mind that this occurred at an early stage of the living creatures' life on Earth, hence the inclusion of animals in Prophet Noah's ark.
dbrifkani28 2 months ago
the caller is right, to an extent.
you just have to look at the episode of question time with christopher hitchens and shirley williams.
thats here in britain though, were probably worse over here.
volound 2 months ago
look how angry these atheists get defending Islam
WonderBread006 3 months ago
@WonderBread006 I hope you are a poe. If not, then you just don't get it.
xebek 2 months ago
well see how they feel when islam takes over the country and kills the athiest for not converting.
fredmanjr10 3 months ago
@6:53 the host says,I forget his name,"My god Lee." But I thought athiests don't have a god. Things that make you say hmm??
fredmanjr10 3 months ago
@fredmanjr10 So if someone pulled a prank on you and you reacted with a "I'm gonna kill you for this!" it would literally mean you would? You can't possibly be that thick...
gutaitas 2 months ago
@fredmanjr10 Have you never heard of common colloquial phrases? Have you ever said something blew your mind? Does that mean you actually took hallucinogens or put a gun to your head? And about islam taking over the country.. My GOD you're thick.
xebek 2 months ago
@xebek Well technically he was probably talking about himself when he said that,because is self absorbed and only loves himself.
fredmanjr10 2 months ago
He's wearing the fckh8 shirt :D
mmgmm1 3 months ago
@mmgmm1 that is funny he is wearing a shirt like that when he hates christians and God.
fredmanjr10 2 months ago
@fredmanjr10 Please explain to me how any atheist can hate god? Do tell. Thanks.
And he doesn't hate christians, it's their irrational beliefs that deserve the scorn.
xebek 2 months ago
@xebek By not believing in God as the creator of the universe and mankind he hates God and loves himself. He doesn't hate christians? If he hates Christian beliefs he hates christians. I mean really. So your saying that the athiest hates our beliefs but loves the person. That is ridiculous.
fredmanjr10 2 months ago
@fredmanjr10 "By not believing in God as the creator of the universe and mankind he hates God and loves himself."
-Read that again. Slowly..
"So your saying that the athiest hates our beliefs but loves the person. That is ridiculous."
-Hmm..and who was it that said hate the sin not the sinner? I think you get the idea. I hope. Most, if not all, xtian beliefs are immoral and nutty. Doesn't mean I think the actual believers are necessarily bad. Nutty, yes. And I never said love.
xebek 2 months ago
@fredmanjr10 Wait, I take back my entire previous response. You're a poe, you have to be.
xebek 2 months ago
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@fredmanjr10 "that is funny he is wearing a shirt like that when he hates christians and God."
Funny an idiot like you can manage a keyboard.
moopism 2 months ago
I love that he mentioned Pat Condell. Because everyone knows how celebrated Pat Condell is around here for criticizing Islam. I'm surprised he didn't mention Thunderf00t. I don't agree with everything the caller says, but if we're talking about Youtube atheists, the TITLE IS TRUE! What's worse, there's not just the tip-toeing, Youtube atheists who criticize Islam are often ganged up on and character assassinated.
IEatGods666 3 months ago
I get what the caller is saying, and I think Matt is wrong. Matt says that Phelps is deliberatly spreading a (hateful) message and the people building the mosque are not. I disagree. Islam IS a message of hate. I understand that it is the law they can build and there is no easy answer but I would have been more sympathetic to the caller.
atheistphilosopher 3 months ago
@KingArthur13th Iike buddhism too. Maybe because it isnt as insane as the abrahamic faiths are, and because it is in a way an noontheistic religion
GodOfUnbelief 3 months ago
@GodOfUnbelief
Well, when a religion has no god and its creator invited his followers to doubt and personally check anything - including his own words - there's little to attack and to afraid from :-))
grozde 3 months ago
No matter what religion you claim, political belief, creed, ideology.... i dont care, you cannot deny that Matt Dillahunty is a top notch skilled debater and very intelligent logical thinker.
Not to mention he's fuckin funny too lol
BigBallaShotCalla15 3 months ago
This guy makes libertarians look bad... So sad.
darkpatriotx 3 months ago
Sam Harris stated in his book "The End of Faith" moderate religious beliefs are dangerous because they provide the context in which Scriptural literalism and religious violence can never be adequately opposed.
Crazy80563 4 months ago
@SShamit1: 06:53 My god i wear am gonna hang up LMAO!!! God god god lol! There is no god but Allah!!!
Islam rules the world and entire universe!!! This guy always says my god my god my god Lol. There is no god... but allah
xukun0 4 months ago
there are legal and illegal issues, and there are some that are just in bad taste. what if someone legally obtained permits to built a gun shop/factory near columbine high school or virginia tech? would any decent person still support it?
7724001 4 months ago
some muslims can be very dangerous, cause they support their ignorance with science and show a illusion of intelligence. I see these people growing in number everyday and they talk about taking over Europe and USA, it scare me.
SShamit1 4 months ago
Caller sounds as if he still has some of that Southern Baptist, "I'm right and everyone else is wrong."
If it had been Osama bin Laden building the mosque, his analogy would be ok.
csnowutube 5 months ago
The caller's entire premise is that the people who want to build park 51 are equal in some way to Fred Phelps (may he die sooner than later). There's no reason to believe that this is the case.
drumrnva 5 months ago
Tip-toeing around Islam, I'm agnostic and I'll tackle any religion, maybe except Buddhism (pretty cool people).
KingArthur13th 5 months ago 11
If we'd cancel everybodies right for being "a jerk", America would grind to a hold.
Xigano1 5 months ago
Matt's Shirt! :D
FCKH8!
Google it! :D
nqrithc 5 months ago
Atheists are scared of Islam.
XXXFreeSpirit 5 months ago
@XXXFreeSpirit everyone´s scared of islam, they are if they´re smart, islam is dangerous, they like to kill people for drawing cartoons and writing fiction.
yatter1 5 months ago 9
@yatter1
They believe in their imaginary friend Ala so passionately that they are willing to go so far as to actually behead people for talking shit about Ala. That same Ala who doesn't even exist except in their imagination. Talk about being delusional.
XXXFreeSpirit 5 months ago
@yatter1 A religion does not kill. Religious people do. The fact that you use this example shows how little you know or how ill you have been informed. Look up Paul Jennings Kill. Or Michael Frederick Griffin. Or Eric Robert Rudolph. All non-Muslims who recently killed for their religious beliefs. Who should a few Muslims get more bad press than these Judeo-Christians, I hear you ask? That, my friend, is called xenophobia. And/or fear-mongering.
AernoutMJC 4 months ago
@AernoutMJC you´re the fool.
yatter1 4 months ago
@yatter1 Christians did the same thing (albiet not cartoons) for like 1000 years....
madjimms 3 months ago
@madjimms "Christians did the same thing (albeit not cartoons) for like 1000 years.." Everyone knows those were not REAL christians :)
TempleOfInanna2 3 months ago
@TempleOfInanna2 LOL! of course, REAL christians would NEVER do things like that. ;-D
madjimms 3 months ago
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@madjimms So what? That makes it ok? Think about what you say before saying it.
yatter1 3 months ago
@yatter1 Islam atm is christianity before secular laws were put in place in england to stop them blindly murdering ppl.
Thelondonbadger 2 months ago
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@yatter1
"everyone´s scared of islam, they are if they´re smart, islam is dangerous, they like to kill people for drawing cartoons and writing fiction."
Even for writing fiction?
So does that mean that the first Muslims killed the people who wrote the Quor'an? XDD
CallMeMrNameless 2 months ago
@yatter1 What do you mean by 'they like to kill people'? You imply all Muslims get pleasure from ending lives. Which is ridiculous.
57worldwide 1 month ago
de-fucking-stroyed
LOGIC42369 6 months ago
@LOGIC42369 The CIA, FBI, ATF are completely under Jesuit control. The Jonestown massacre, the Waco massacre and other massacres(including the Twin Towers) were all orchestrated to cause worldwide abhorrence and demonization of any group that seeks to get out from under the control of the worldwide Jesuit influence, domination, subversion and infiltration.
bornbythesea 5 months ago
I've never understood why people kept bringing up the First Amendment in the Ground Zero Mosque debate - most of the Tea Party (there were a few - always are a few) weren't calling for government intervention, were they? Only for them to stop. The Constitution doesn't give you any moral rights, only legal ones. Not that Park51 were in the wrong, but Constitutional rights are only freedom from government, not protest.
...and is there one closer? I thought the nearest was a bit further out.
IoEstasCedonta 6 months ago
This atheist caller doesn't sound like an atheist. His reaction to the erroneously named "ground zero mosque" is VERY VERY typically Christian.
eclecticinfidel 6 months ago
If it really was a mosque nobody would care! But a cultural center will bring a clear message that "ALL muslims AREN'T terrorists" to non-muslim New Yorkers. And that screws up Christian fontamentalist agenda significally! That is all -whatever fanatical christian propaganders, trolls and clone-agents say here!
Note: The video says that there are mosques closer to Ground Zero than "Cordoba"!
Peristerygr 6 months ago
Actually a muslim cultural center somehow screws up all far-right wing propaganda even if it comes from Christian fontamentalists, KKK, Neonazis or Third-positionists -especially the last were muslims replaces Jews as the "evil"! Third Position seems to be the "marriage" between Western and Israeli far-right wing!
Peristerygr 6 months ago
@22grena
Dude, the only "fundamentals" in this video are in how you fundamentally misunderstood it. These people aren't saying, "you will believe what I believe," they are showing the caller how they are being DEMONSTRABLY IGNORANT, and *obviously* so. There's a *HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE* difference, and you're being a moron, quite honestly, if you can't see it.
I mean, you might as well claim that "Mathematics" is a "dogmatic religion that worships Calculus with Newton as his prophet!" You'd be equ
macgeek2004 6 months ago
You will believe what I believe 'I swear I'm gonna hang up in a second...you are on hold'
22grena 6 months ago
@22grena He said that because the guy was making asinine assertions that were ignorant did you even pay attention to the video?
trueChaos23 6 months ago
@trueChaos23 fundementalists always sound the same
22grena 6 months ago
@22grena Can you differentiate between what a fundamentalist and a ignorant person is? Somehow I doubt it.
trueChaos23 6 months ago
@trueChaos23 Thats my point you cant can you
22grena 6 months ago
Funny how atheists sound like fundementalists
22grena 6 months ago
Religious rights legally are always lower positioned than human rights relating e.g. to characteristics like gender or race. You have the right to BELIEVE what you want, but the limit is at the point where you ACT. You're not allowed to ACT like you want, e.g. to reason the discrimination of women by your religious beliefs. This is highly unconstitutional and there must be many MORE restrictions, not less
thekingofassholes 6 months ago
@thekingofassholes What about the discrimination against you because of your religious believes or the fact that you were born in another country -considering that refugees and poors usually stay home and rich Wanabees are usually immigrating (as John Doe Goebels says)-?
Peristerygr 6 months ago
@Peristerygr Not to stir you up, just a clarifying point. Refugees do NOT stay home. That is one of the things that make them refugees. They are forced FROM home to seek REFUGE in another region or country.
keepdancingmaria 6 months ago
@keepdancingmaria I know! I just saw the profile of the "kingofassholes"(the nickname explains everything) -he says that short of crap on his profile: that "immigrants are coming just to destroy America, or the West in general! So I desided to fuck his mind a little so he would stop the "immigrand-invaders" crap!
Peristerygr 6 months ago
@Peristerygr I see. Best of luck to you. I think you have set yourself an herculean task. Impossible, yet noble. That kind of crap is never stopped because spouting it releases dopamine in the brain and that guarantees its continuance.
My mistake, please to continue!
keepdancingmaria 6 months ago
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Again a true atheist doesn't bash any believer on any religion nore they call "......lover" who ever supports the rights of any believer!
Peristerygr 6 months ago
There are also atheists that firing ONLY against Islam and muslims!
Peristerygr 6 months ago
A true atheist doesn't bash any believer on any religion nore they call "......lover" who ever supports the rights of any believer!
Note: they are trying to built a cultural center! They are naming it "Cordoba"! Cordoba was a multicultural city -something like New York of Al Antalus! From Reconquista to present it is a Spanish city!
Peristerygr 6 months ago
@Peristerygr Pat Condell for one
Oli3TB76 6 months ago
@Peristerygr There are even more atheists who fire ONLY against Christianity.
thekingofassholes 6 months ago
@thekingofassholes Those "atheists" I mentioned before also say that immigrants -obviously they are NOT poor guys or refugees trying to save their lives nor stateless people- come to the West to destroy it from the inside! Note: I was calling the "atheists" heronically. I ment grandsons or mimes of Josef Goebels!
Peristerygr 6 months ago
06:10 Matt's voice gets super high.
td6drummer 7 months ago
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td6drummer 7 months ago
it come down to this, is it legal yes, is it nice no.
thelordakira 7 months ago
@thelordakira no actually it's not, not nice in their opinion... its just legal.
lmaso99xx 7 months ago
These anti-Muslim bigots can't get it through their head that when your logic falls flat on its face of confusion, you are supposed to accept your mistake and own up to it. My Zeus, these people are dense.
ninuxy 7 months ago
How can you call yourself a Libertarian and then tell other people they don't have a right to their first amendment?
Setzer 7 months ago
RELIGION was responsible for 9/11... not any particular one.
aegisgfx 7 months ago
@aegisgfx
No, a particular religion was behind 9/11. That religion is Islam you moron. Nor is it just a religion.
padperson 7 months ago
@padperson who's behind the Norway shootings? Christianity?
marcetclaude 7 months ago
@marcetclaude
There is a difference here because in norway the motif was political and not religious.
Rightwing Extremists might be fanatics but it is in no way a religion..
luedieniel 7 months ago
@luedieniel I see what you're saying. Even if some crazy muslims did 9/11 it still doesn't mean their motivation was islam. Saying islam was behind 9/11 is just a pure nonsense.
marcetclaude 7 months ago
@marcetclaude
"I see what you're saying"
I don't think you do... as that isn't what he said.
FlyByW1r3 6 months ago
@padperson
both sides believe in a supernatural man who tells them to do stupid shit, I see no difference between a muslin terrorist or a christian terrorist, you are all fucking insane morons who cannot think for themselves.
aegisgfx 7 months ago
i love that former baptist preacher
unfad1ng 7 months ago
@unfad1n
Me too and this is the first time that I disagree with Matt. He's correct, because the Muslims represent part of the anti Neocon anti establishment because they've been the victim. The only one who fights is Hitchens
TheOtherView 7 months ago
I don't quite understand why they got so angry with him. I disagree with him and they are right (IMO) but again, I'm not sure why they (Matt in particular) blew up at this guy the way they did. Am I missing something? What's with the anger?
nowgleaning 7 months ago
@nowgleaning Some guy was commenting against the Mosque, so I asked him if he believed that all 4.5 billion Muslims in the world are terrorists. He said "of course not, don't be stupid", so I asked him why he opposed this Mosque? He said "because they are connected to the terrorist." So I said if you can show me the connection, I'll join you against this Mosque. He said "All Muslims are terrorists." How can you not get frustrated and angry with this kind of self-contradictory stupidity?
ctypro96706 7 months ago
@ctypro96706
He never said that if he actually exists, you're obviously lying. And 4.5 billion Mohammedans? Are you crazy?
padperson 7 months ago
A big thing about this debate is that these people have never been to NYC. There's skyscrapers in between the mosque and ground zero! It's not remotely it's blocks away with a bunch of businesses like restaurants and bars in between. Is the political ideology of every place of business near ground zero in question now? It really was a non issue from the start. Why is this guy so angry.
camoflux 7 months ago
this dude tried to suggest he was a libertarian....
danbuck333 8 months ago
@yakult244 true... no one is ammune from criticism.....but what is you are trying criticise?
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badhabbitforyou 8 months ago
You do not speak over Matt D. Give it up callers, this is his house.
Deanbass77 8 months ago
I agree with pat condell on Islam and this mosque.
1701EarlGrey 8 months ago
is it fair to say im christian and i think that the mosque should be allowed to be built? hope many atheists here will for what Matt Dilahunty said and not have a 'guilt by association mentality' when it comes to christians and most issues, but especially this...
jamaicanification 8 months ago
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@jamaicanification It would be stupid to apply "guilt by association" to Christians in regards some Christians 'guilt by association mentality.' There are probably some atheists who would, but i hope you don't associate that with other atheists.
qonf 8 months ago
@jamaicanification Its not a matter of allowing the muslims to build the mosque you have to ask yourself why do they want to knowing it will cause offense to some???
greeny202a 8 months ago
@jamaicanification I feel I speak for many atheists when I say that we aren't criticizing you but mostly the fundamentalists. They are the ones who seek religion to have an impact on politics, that's what I disagree with mostly, not what you do in your personal life.
ILikeTheThingsIDo 8 months ago 2
Muslims have always built mosques on the site of major military victories. That is all this is a thinly masked symbol of conquest and a celebration of over 2,700 dead “Enemies of Islam.”
DisturbedRenegade 9 months ago
@DisturbedRenegade
that's an interesting point. 5:52-6:05 is that true? if it is, shouldnt THOSE closer mosques be considered symbols of conquest? or does it necesarily need to be a new one? also why build it further away from the ones they already have?
sabin97 8 months ago
@sabin97. I know that there are mosques closer to ground zero than the one they wish to put up now. The difference is that those closer mosques were built before 9/11 and were intended to simply be places of worship so I would say the issue is not that it is a mosque, but rather their intentions. Another thing to consider is that the building they wish to turn into a mosque was struck by debris from one of the 747s. That would make it a historical site
DisturbedRenegade 8 months ago
@DisturbedRenegade
oh, i didnt know...i dont pay much attention to ny. about the debris, wouldnt those debris have been striking more when closer to ground zero? wouldnt that make the closer mosques historical sites as well?
dont get me wrong i dont care if they build their thing or not. but i find it curious(and i think you may be right about the intentions thing).
it will be interesting to see who will win in the end.
sabin97 8 months ago
@sabin97. Yes debris would have been hitting every building in that general area. For that reason anyone that takes the time to fill out the paper work with the American Historical Association could claim a building a historical site. Of course that has to be verified by the American Historical Association but in this case that is not hard. I do think that entire let's build a mosque thing is a provocation
DisturbedRenegade 8 months ago
Der, um ah yeah.... So um I have something to say and um ah... You're wrong and I'm right, and um other stuff no one can understand, but further more... God... Yeah you are dumb and will burn for eternity... God's grace and all that stuff. Gays are bad, Burn in hell, and white people are the only clean race. Accept Jesus as your personal savior and moral compass.
TheScottism101 9 months ago
Interesting stuff. I've never, never, EVER heard one single muslim call into this show. Or any other religious person that is not a christian for that matter. Somehow christianity have to pull up the burden of "all religions".
MoonwalkerWorshiper 9 months ago
@MoonwalkerWorshiper
I don't think you've watched enough shows.
There have been quite a few callers from different religions, but yeah, most
are either atheists or Christians.
SkyyDevourer 9 months ago
@SkyyDevourer Maybe I haven't seen enough but I wonder if the muslims got any guts to call in
MoonwalkerWorshiper 9 months ago
A lot less name calling and swearing guys, thanks.
cookmark63 9 months ago
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@cookmark63 Sorry but you can politely fuck off, this is a free forum and trying to impose limits on other peoples vocabulary because you are to immature or twee to understand that words are just that, is much more offensive to me that if someone embellishes their sentences with the occasional "swear word."
Peace
Brian
sacredgeometry 9 months ago
If someone wanted to build a mega church down in the south right next to an area where black people were killed by the kkk, should we stop them or is there a double standard in the Christian community? Okay for a church to be built anywhere - but not for a mosque?
acherrybalm 9 months ago
All the atheists in the world argued with Lee from Richmond, Virginia and called him an idiot and put him on hold.
Because these two in Austin, Texas did.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 9 months ago
As a person from Virginia, I'm a bit annoyed with this fool and his idiotic comparisons. With this silly guy and Pat Robertson, along with the anti-gay Attorney General here, Virginians are getting a terrible rap these days.
CallMeRiverton 9 months ago
Aack...arguments by analogy...Not again!!
SheSaysSoIndeed 9 months ago
In my opinion Athiests will usually throw a stone harder at christianity than islam....at least in the US
WhoKnowsDenver 9 months ago
@WhoKnowsDenver Of course they will, because
1) the civic (de facto) religion in the US is supposedly Christian, as in, it's a lot easier to get elected/respected if you claim to be Christian,
2) People claiming to be Christian are the ones oppressing and badmouthing atheists in the US, whereas American Muslims have bigger fish to fry than picking on Atheists, since they have are also discriminated against in U.S., and
3) maybe they think picking on Islam would be dangerous (stereotype).
SheSaysSoIndeed 9 months ago
@WhoKnowsDenver. People tend to rebel against the things that affect them the most. There are more Christians than Muslims in the US. So more American Atheist go after Christianity. I attack The Roman Catholic Church more than I do other types of Christianity because I was raised in a strict Catholic household, which I latter rebelled against. I'm now an Atheist and the biggest target for me is my old faith.
DisturbedRenegade 8 months ago
In my opinion Athiests will usually throw a stone harder at christianity than islam....
WhoKnowsDenver 9 months ago
Lee claimed to be an atheist when he called in. If that was a lie (which I suspect it was) that would explain ALL of his stubbornness.
dymchurch1 9 months ago