Trust me, Mightfox mentioned it too, you are just missing the window of when to input the DP (if you don't know where and when to input it, mash the DP during hitstun) Trust me this is NOT an infinite, there is no such thing as a "legit" reset, not even when it's unblockable.
@XiahouYuan111 Read it more carefully. You can't DP because of the way hitstun works in this game.
The one thing you are right about is that it's not an infinite. It's just a 100% combo and that's only on Scharl and a couple others if they're using the lower-defense Arcanas. You can make it universally 100% but that takes meter. This particular loop doesn't.
@TianXia7541 Fair enough, can't argue with that since I don't have AH3 yet.
I was just going with my basic fighting game knowledge. Although in theory, every reset is possible to be DP'D out of since every DP is active from frame 1, that's why I also brought up that point because it seemed like you were implying that 2 frames weren't enough for a DP to come out.
Then again, as said above, I don't have AH3 yet and maybe the histun and everything else could be different.
@TianXia7541 Eh, then use a DP, there is at least 1 frame of a gap between the last move of the combo and the unblockable, which is enough time for you to do a DP
@TianXia7541 I did read it and thats exactly what I was referring to, you can ALWAYS use a DP no matter how much of a frame window there is, if the combo counter resets back to 0 that's when you can use the DP, try it in training mode. This applies to all fighting games.
@Mightfox You'd think reversal would work but it doesn't. I don't feel like explaining the mechanics of why it doesn't work but suffice to say that it doesn't.
If you don't believe me you're free to try and let me know how well it goes.
@TianXia7541 Why wouldn't reversal work? If it doesn't combo, that means there's at least 1 frame where you're not in hitstun, so you can DP out or whatever. If there's not an opening, it would just combo. You're just missing the window.
@Mightfox There's a two-frame window after recovering from hit/blockstun where you can't do anything but block. I don't know why this game has a mechanic like that but it does.
Trust me, if you could DP/4D/backdash out of it you would be seeing people doing it.
lolica
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Oh punishment loop. Why is it so gdlk.
I'm VERY surprised people don't know what this is by now. Please stop living under a rock.
Headshots1125 1 year ago
Trust me, Mightfox mentioned it too, you are just missing the window of when to input the DP (if you don't know where and when to input it, mash the DP during hitstun) Trust me this is NOT an infinite, there is no such thing as a "legit" reset, not even when it's unblockable.
XiahouYuan111 1 year ago
@XiahouYuan111 Read it more carefully. You can't DP because of the way hitstun works in this game.
The one thing you are right about is that it's not an infinite. It's just a 100% combo and that's only on Scharl and a couple others if they're using the lower-defense Arcanas. You can make it universally 100% but that takes meter. This particular loop doesn't.
TianXia7541 1 year ago
@TianXia7541 Fair enough, can't argue with that since I don't have AH3 yet.
I was just going with my basic fighting game knowledge. Although in theory, every reset is possible to be DP'D out of since every DP is active from frame 1, that's why I also brought up that point because it seemed like you were implying that 2 frames weren't enough for a DP to come out.
Then again, as said above, I don't have AH3 yet and maybe the histun and everything else could be different.
XiahouYuan111 1 year ago
Unless it's unblockable, which I highly doubt it is.
XiahouYuan111 1 year ago
@XiahouYuan111 (Except it is)
TianXia7541 1 year ago
@TianXia7541 Eh, then use a DP, there is at least 1 frame of a gap between the last move of the combo and the unblockable, which is enough time for you to do a DP
XiahouYuan111 1 year ago
@XiahouYuan111 Read what I said to Mightfox please.
TianXia7541 1 year ago
@TianXia7541 I did read it and thats exactly what I was referring to, you can ALWAYS use a DP no matter how much of a frame window there is, if the combo counter resets back to 0 that's when you can use the DP, try it in training mode. This applies to all fighting games.
XiahouYuan111 1 year ago
Also, aside from reversal provided by arcana or character, and bursts
4d
Possibly backdash?
Lightning 5e(clash)
There are some frame-1 clash moves that could work.
Dunno if you can parry or autoguard(like earth E moves) unblockables.
i bet a really quick jab like akane's 2-frame 5a would work.
Or hell, Clarice's 4c.
Where are my goddamn cookies?
Mightfox 1 year ago
@Mightfox You'd think reversal would work but it doesn't. I don't feel like explaining the mechanics of why it doesn't work but suffice to say that it doesn't.
If you don't believe me you're free to try and let me know how well it goes.
TianXia7541 1 year ago
@TianXia7541 Why wouldn't reversal work? If it doesn't combo, that means there's at least 1 frame where you're not in hitstun, so you can DP out or whatever. If there's not an opening, it would just combo. You're just missing the window.
Mightfox 1 year ago
@Mightfox There's a two-frame window after recovering from hit/blockstun where you can't do anything but block. I don't know why this game has a mechanic like that but it does.
Trust me, if you could DP/4D/backdash out of it you would be seeing people doing it.
TianXia7541 1 year ago
@TianXia7541 Hm, interesting.
Well, luckily punishment isn't that strong of an arcana.
Luckily for me, I play Lilica and might mess with this.
Game still owns hard, fuck arbitrary definitions of what is balanced. The character and gameplay balance is largely fantastic anyway.
Mightfox 1 year ago
@TianXia7541 Also, random guess: Perhaps that mechanic is in simply so that moves are more + frames on hit.
Mightfox 1 year ago
reversal imo, multiple arcanas could help
also who cares when charas typically die in 2-3 combos anyway
game is still gameplay and character balanced.
Mightfox 1 year ago
That looked like just a bunch of resets or Scharl just wasn't blocking/mashing buttons.
PhoenonX 1 year ago
@PhoenonX It's legit. I'll give a cookie to anyone who can find a way out of that without bursting.
TianXia7541 1 year ago
I saw 3 resets in this "combo".
Gotta love morons that don't hold back to guard during a mid combo.
XiahouYuan111 1 year ago
No back dash or trying to clash with your own e?
I am sure you can do that.
Not 100% sure though.
XenoFaith 1 year ago