This is a great video but as you can see, a lay person would have a tough time with the learning curve on the procedures. I want to use a tarp but these damn knots seem to cumbersome. This is why a tent is better.
ok worked it out for myself.....loop UNDER main line then pull through. i was doing it loop over then it would come undone. very confusing mate had to work it out for myself. sorry ganna get a thumbs down from me
I'm having a problem with the powercinch. I've been following the instructions on your site. I'm sure I'm doing it right. When I tie a siberian hitch on one end and the powercinch on the other, I can get a nice taut line which holds weight - but only to a point. After a certain amount of downward force on the ridge line the slippery half hitch will slip and the line goes loose. Is this just a case of me needing to tie the slippery half hitch tigher or is it a problem with the powercinch? Thanks!
@asldkjasd98y Try running the working end through the "pulley" loop twice instead of once. This arrangement has several advantages. One, it makes a much more secure knot; and two, it will hold the tension while you tie the slippery half hitch. With the original method, you have to pinch the line until the half hitch is tied. This new method of twice through is the only one I use these days and is what we currently teach at our courses. Hope that helps and makes sense! Thanks, ML
a fire makes a camp, but a tarp makes it home. I'm a canoe camper so a tarp is along on almost every trip. I pitch mine several different ways depending on available trees, anchor points, etc. We once spent 2 days rain and windbound on the Canadian Shield (all bedrock) using a 3 pole open teepee set up and rocks for corner anchors.
Ok I am really new to tarps and knots, so new I've yet to camp with one but I want to switch to a tarp only setup for all my camping needs. Forgive me my ignorance. That said, I have no idea what you're talking about with the knots and tension lines. I really think you've got the absolute best solution to side wind issues with your guylines. I just have no idea how to even set that up! Is there some sort of tutorial you have done can do or know of that can really show more detail?
This video is so good, that you deserve to laugh your ass off at my tarp set ups. They look more like modern art and fall down every time the winds blows a bit. Set up takes about 6 hours and everything is an a weird angle. I'll try to film you a video one day so you can laugh.
Fantastic!!! 5/5! I wish that I lived close enough to go to your school.
I got my 2 packages of paracord & the cool whistle. Thank you for your great service. I can't wait to try out my new BUSHCRAFT knife that I got at your website. Many thanks.
Thanks for a top clip. I like the tensioning line inovation, I will set up a tarp with it and see how I manage it.
You have one item I am a bit twitchy about and that is the rubber bands you use to store the lines. If you ever drop one I hope you will go to all lengths to find it as if left behind it can be ingested by wildlife who can die a very painful death due to a bolous that forms in and around the rubberband and obstructs their gut. Vets will tell you it is quite common.
I've been rewatching your videos quite a bit. I've looked at probably 1,000 different setups and still haven't found one that I like as much as yours. Your bivi cover and mosquito net too. The knots used are just outstanding. I hope that you put some new videos out soon. It's been a really long time and I sure do enjoy them.
Ohh dear.. your 'tarp' needs to be at the most of waist height, and you dont need all these fancy nots eather, just get about 8-10 bungies and about 15 tent begs, i can put one up in about 3 mins.. trust me with 6 years in the British army, i think i know..
@rowdybeaver33 I agree it is a top set up and the tensioning lines off the corner lines is a real inovation. Rifles 2j may have been too busy reliving his past glories during his 6 years in the Brownies or was it the Brit army ( I always confuse the two).
He must believe he is the only person with experience. What is that saying about a wise man can always learn even from a fool, but a fool will never learn even from a wise man. Seems to be a parallell here.
Mike I used your method of setting up a tarp on a week long trip to the mountains of West Virginia and it worked great!!! Thanks a heap. Sure made that trip better not having to worry about the tarp during the two rains that hit us.
When I was in the Canadian Military we were taught how to put up a teant.
When it came to the poncho style they showed us a way to stop rain from comign in
What we did was when the ridge line was up we would tie a bigger piece of rope just befor the tent on both ends and then when it rained the water would then go down that part and off.but some still came in but not much.
Thanks for the teachings.
I am looking forward to camping this summer and utilsing all that I have practised from you.
Seems to me this would be something best combined with a tent, in order to have an area protected from overhead rain so you can still cook or do whatever, but sleep in the tent so that water running along the ground wont be a problem. Unless ofcourse your going to sleep elevated or dig a water route around your camp, curse old military habits :P
@ppclicpl Sorry for the confusion. I tie an alpine hitch in the corner line and then the middle lines attach to this loop. The middle lines have tensioning knots on one of their ends. I have a diagram of it on my website which may help a bit. Thanks for watching. ML
@BCNW1 People are so stupid and ignorant today, when it comes to Bushcraft, people have said to me how can you kill little rabbits and eat them, I said you go to a store and eat meat that has been feed grain, hormones,steroids and chemicals and butchered in feed lots with shit and piss, and Iam the savage??..lol
Thanks for the great tutorial. The variety of knots along with the tensioning systems you have used on the ridge line and tarp sides are an improvement on many other tarp setups I've seen. I'll be adopting this system in future.
Thanks for the great tutorial. The variety of knots along with the tensioning systems you have used on the ridge line and tarp sides are an improvement on many other tarp setups I've seen. I'll be adopting this system in future.
Nice set-up, but my scouts are discouraged from tying knots to trees as part of the "leave no trace" philosophy. they are forbidden to tie anything to trees at Philmont, after thousands of scouts the trees would have no bark left.
I see it as a good idea to make a temp shelter or a covering outside of a tent. But many tents are waterproof, they protect you from wind and rain, not just a straight downpour. But I would set up this tarp outside my tent as a breakdown area
bad side of this idea is that if one hook pull out, 25% of your shelter is gone?! Also any ideas for someone with a smaller tarp? ive got a Hlleberg tarp but its half of yours size?
Excellent vid. Im going tarp camping for the first time and this was very helpful. One question though, what variation of the quick release knot did you use for tying the tarp to the prussik knot? Thanks!
Mike I just got a good tarp and looks like a great setup to try question though is why the ridge line is running outside opposed to inside of the tarp? thanks
if possible, I keep the ridgeline on the outside to avoid the possibility of rain wicking down the line and dripping inside the tarp as well as the added stability of multiple prusik knots. With larger tarps, I often drape the tarp over the ridgeline, but the tarps I use have the ties attached so why not use them. :>) Hope this answers your questions and thanks for watching. ML
also, i imagine that if you pitch the tarp over the ridge line, the tarp and ridge line will rub slightly in the wind. over time, this may cause the tarp to wear thin. this was my experience using a regular woven nylon tarp. i don't actually have experience with this material.
great vid, mate. can you comment on the waterproofness of this equinox tarp? i'm thinking about getting one myself.
@medicjimr You could sew outsideloops onto a standard tarp but you MUST use seam sealer or rain will find a way in through the holes you made by sewing.
Another trick is to tie a line on the ridge outside the tarp and let it droop toward the ground. Hopefully the rain will follow it and not come under the tarp.
also, i imagine that if you pitch the tarp over the ridge line, the tarp and ridge line will rub slightly in the wind. over time, this may cause the tarp to wear thin. this was my experience using a regular woven nylon tarp. i don't actually have experience with this material.
great vid, mate. can you comment on the waterproofness of this equinox tarp? i'm thinking about getting one myself.
great system but noe always useable so then you have to change it... look at mr mears resoning bdhind not doing it this way, it's all personal preference in the end..As cool as this is, Ray gets my vote.. thanks for the vid though
Hi, I've never encountered a time when I was not able to use my system or had to "change it" other than having to stake directly to the ground in really bad weather. That's not a fault in setup, it's just what you have to do with tarps occasionally. I do use a leanto setup also as shown in my other video in which case the guylines are left wrapped up. These are just my suggestions, so if you've found a way you prefer of course you should use it. Thx for watching and for the comment.
Thats a really cool design, i really like that edge tension system. I have a question though, could this system be adapted to just one tree, and staking the other end of the ridgeline into the ground? Also, how stable is it with no trees, using either one or two sticks or trekking poles to hold the ridge line up?
Hi, I've used this setup with trekking poles and other variations in a pinch and it's always worked great. It's a very adaptable system but try everything out at home before you go out to be sure you solve any problems there instead of in the backcountry. Thx for watching. ML
Good setup. I myself cant use it though. The wife needs a tent. But Personally this is the rout I would go if it was my choice. Well done, and thank you.
Thanks for the vid. Is there any practical difference between having the tarp supporting ridgeline running under the tarp as opposed to above it? Cheers.
A lot of unnecessary effort on the guylines there bud. What I do is tie a tensioning slip knot with the 4 corner guys and peg them out, there's no need for the centre guylines.
After using the standard set up you've described for years, I've found the addition of the extra lines kept my tarp much more stable in the high winds and heavy rain/snow we can get out here in the Pacific Northwest. On a calm summer day it doesn't really matter, but I use this rig year round. I don't really consider this extra effort as the lines are already tied and the tarp goes up in just a few minutes. Of course, everyone has to use whatever system works best for them. ML
That makes sense, I live in a temperate environment so my experiences will obviously differ, now I can see why more stability would be necessary in your stomping ground.
This is great!!! I'm going camping this coming week and am going to use this set up!! i think you should do a video on how to sharpen a knife since you have a video on knife techniques!! but great videos mate thanks!!
I found this pretty intersting, changes my perspective for outdoor spaces. I still think the tent is easier because of its simplicity to setup and the fact the bugs cant get you as easily
He is proficient and that is certainly a tight set-up, but it is also pretty darn complicated. You can set up an entire tarp using only one of those knots, the power cinch or trucker's hitch, on every attachment.
Hi, just wanted to let you know why I used the knots I did. I used the power cinch on the ridge line because you can apply the maximum tension (much more than a tensioning hitch). The tensioning knots are used where they are so you don't have to retie them each time as you would with the powercinch. The bowline is used at the grommets because you need an open loop there to allow movement. The good news is you only have to tie them once. :>) Thanks for watching. ML
Very interesting but will you really stay dry in a rainstorm with this system? It just seems so open that the ground beneath you would become soaked and wet.
Get a wide angle lens, fellas. It opens up the frame so we get a sense we are seeing "enough" to know where you are. Here we have a sort of periscope view.
Thank you for the video well done. Why are people talking about cars I am confused. Who would get into a fight during an informational video. Kinda funny
Also what would you suggest to do if you dont have the grommets available? I have the strings on my equinox but no grommets which makes the prussix knot and the tensioning connections difficult.
You're right on the edge there but should be fine. You can also set the tarp up with the 10' length along you ridgeline for extra room. Another option is to sleep diagonally with the 8' ridgeline for more coverage. They also make a 10x12 size that doesn't weigh much more if you're really concerned and can't try one out before you buy. Hope this helps and thanks for watching. ML
i was losing tension when sucuring the powercinch with half hitch, i found that if you bring the working end back round the tree a second time and through the pulley you can pull and tension it really tight and it holds while you secure it with a half hitch.
That's a very good point...there are many ways to secure the working end after it goes through the pulley. You can also tie off to a branch with a round turn and slippery half hitch as well. Whatever works best in the situation. Thanks for watching and for the comment. ML
GoLite and MSR make fine gear, but I've never had a problem with my Equinox tarp. I live in the Columbia River Gorge, home of wind surfers and wind turbines, and I've used the same tarp for five years now with no problems and no rips. Plus, they're made in the USA. Thanks for watching. ML
I do everything I can to support local products and products made in countries with labor and environmental laws I agree with.
I've also had the opposite experience to yours and fine US and European products (Filson, Duluth Pack, Gransfors, etc) to be of the highest quality. As a field biologist, I've worn out more inferior gear than I'd like to think about and found what works for me. Sounds like you have as well so I wish you the best of luck. ML
dude i completely agree with you! European and american products are of a very high quality for the most part! i really disagree with dinnerandashow.. because in asia for the most part they mass produce everything in a factory and dont pay attention to detail and quality as much as just getting the product out on the market.... well i really like your vids KEEP EM COMING BCNW1!! how bout some wild edibles or something. (next vid suggestion)
no man what are u talking about all im saying is i think most high end european cars are better than most high end japanese cars that doesnt mean im a white supremicist! i love katanas and such i think they are the best ancient blades! u must be really uneducated to automatically think that!
Please dont let me interfere with your beliefs. All I know is that most unbias tests show Japanese cars are top. The recently release Yahoo car reviews showed the top cars in reliability and performance to be Japanese. The bottom were European. So I am not sure where you came up with the bases for your standards. Could it be a double standard?
I callem like I see em. God forbid I may give credit where credit is due based on merit. I am not loyal to race or borders. Intellgence & hardwork.
very impressive set up indeed. I still enjoy tents but this in combination with a tent would be more than adequate and borderline luxurious on a deep woods trip. Thank you very much! ;) great ideas indeed.
Look at 'SUSAN MICHELLE'S COMPASS:AGS Labs Camping Gear--pocket stove' and try to get the video removed before the advice given (by an outdoor store!) gets someone seriously hurt.
Your video presentation is excellent. Your instructions are clear, not too detailed for beginners (beginners can get lost in too much detail), and the pauses are excellent so the user can see what you are doing. You must have experience doing videos or a natural talent. Keep up the good work.
Yep, that's the same knot. Sometimes the trucker's hitch is tied with a more permanent loop than what I use in the video, but the idea is the same. In case you're interested, I have diagrams posted on my website that show how to tie the knots used in this tarp setup. Thanks for watching and for the kind words. ML
Great video. I use a poncho instead of a tarp because it doubles as rain gear. What do you do about the mosquitos and black flies if your sleeping in a tarp?
Cool website. You should add a forum for people to join the site and post. If you need help with that my friend knows a lot about that stuff maby he could help.
This is a good set up, however I have two points. First, I use the Powercinch on my ridge line for tension, and it's a superb knot, but I don't see the point in creating a pulley when wrapping the rope around the ridge line and pulling, then securing with a slippery hitch does the same job. But I guess it's personal preference. Secondly, using a Penberthy Prusik to attach the tarp's end loops is better, as they can be adjusted back and forth along the ridge line but always remain super tight.
This is a great video but as you can see, a lay person would have a tough time with the learning curve on the procedures. I want to use a tarp but these damn knots seem to cumbersome. This is why a tent is better.
St0phatred 1 month ago
Do you have a more simplified tarp installation process for people that smoke marijuana excessively?
barronredneck 2 months ago
Video Response shows a very strong and versatile tarp shelter that is very easy to set up.
shanefox61 4 months ago
ok worked it out for myself.....loop UNDER main line then pull through. i was doing it loop over then it would come undone. very confusing mate had to work it out for myself. sorry ganna get a thumbs down from me
defuzed28 4 months ago
how the hell did you do that???????? you tie that loop so quick i cant follow
defuzed28 4 months ago
Awesome, thanks for sharing. Would be great to do a vid about knots
lkjlkjlkdsfdslkfjdlk 5 months ago
I'm having a problem with the powercinch. I've been following the instructions on your site. I'm sure I'm doing it right. When I tie a siberian hitch on one end and the powercinch on the other, I can get a nice taut line which holds weight - but only to a point. After a certain amount of downward force on the ridge line the slippery half hitch will slip and the line goes loose. Is this just a case of me needing to tie the slippery half hitch tigher or is it a problem with the powercinch? Thanks!
asldkjasd98y 5 months ago
@asldkjasd98y Try running the working end through the "pulley" loop twice instead of once. This arrangement has several advantages. One, it makes a much more secure knot; and two, it will hold the tension while you tie the slippery half hitch. With the original method, you have to pinch the line until the half hitch is tied. This new method of twice through is the only one I use these days and is what we currently teach at our courses. Hope that helps and makes sense! Thanks, ML
BCNW1 5 months ago
@BCNW1 Thanks, that's perfect! Such a little change but it makes all the
difference - tying the half hitch is so easy now! I was worried before
because if you have a very taut line it can slip while you're pinching
and give you a bit of friction burn on your thumb and forefinger,
which is not fun! But with that twice through method it's great!
asldkjasd98y 5 months ago
a fire makes a camp, but a tarp makes it home. I'm a canoe camper so a tarp is along on almost every trip. I pitch mine several different ways depending on available trees, anchor points, etc. We once spent 2 days rain and windbound on the Canadian Shield (all bedrock) using a 3 pole open teepee set up and rocks for corner anchors.
hoz49 5 months ago
Ok I am really new to tarps and knots, so new I've yet to camp with one but I want to switch to a tarp only setup for all my camping needs. Forgive me my ignorance. That said, I have no idea what you're talking about with the knots and tension lines. I really think you've got the absolute best solution to side wind issues with your guylines. I just have no idea how to even set that up! Is there some sort of tutorial you have done can do or know of that can really show more detail?
ULBorBust 6 months ago
ITS A TARP!!
SteelChains 6 months ago
best video on you tube on tarp set up!!!!!! thanks for your time and video.
struug 6 months ago
Nice video !
BushcraftNL 8 months ago
This video is so good, that you deserve to laugh your ass off at my tarp set ups. They look more like modern art and fall down every time the winds blows a bit. Set up takes about 6 hours and everything is an a weird angle. I'll try to film you a video one day so you can laugh.
bloodandwinearered 9 months ago
Great idea with the way you used the 3 in 1 guyline setup. I'm going to try that out tomorrow!
mrgoodwrench76 9 months ago
great vid
empty380 9 months ago
This is probably the best in depth tarp video I've seen. Very detailed. Thanks. Keep up the good work!!!
mpwasz 10 months ago
Very nice video, I think you persuaded me to buy a tarp!
porkona 10 months ago
IT'S A TARP!
kookiegod123 10 months ago 2
what size is that tarp?
95civex 11 months ago
Great video! Thank you for the upload. Heading to your website now...
jagrabinski 1 year ago
Watching someone else set up a tarp is almost as much fun as doing it yourself. Great video.
ElmerOg 1 year ago
how well does this handle rain+wind? it seems that a lot of rain would come in through the front and back if it was windy
kingwill737 1 year ago
Great video. Very helpful.
kamden1980 1 year ago
what kind of string are you using? thanks!
velcrots 1 year ago
Great video ! Very well made !I hunt the Hills and swamps of Mississippi .Threre is a lot of great points in your video ! Thank you
Claretcross 1 year ago
Fantastic!!! 5/5! I wish that I lived close enough to go to your school.
I got my 2 packages of paracord & the cool whistle. Thank you for your great service. I can't wait to try out my new BUSHCRAFT knife that I got at your website. Many thanks.
snaponjohn100 1 year ago
Great movie! Thanks and congratulations!
always self-responsibility
ratodemato 1 year ago
Thanks for a top clip. I like the tensioning line inovation, I will set up a tarp with it and see how I manage it.
You have one item I am a bit twitchy about and that is the rubber bands you use to store the lines. If you ever drop one I hope you will go to all lengths to find it as if left behind it can be ingested by wildlife who can die a very painful death due to a bolous that forms in and around the rubberband and obstructs their gut. Vets will tell you it is quite common.
Best Regards
labrat7357 1 year ago
I value your opinion on survival and bushcraft so I was wondering: If I were to learn the TEN best knots, which 10 would you recommend?
FarFallen1 1 year ago
@FarFallen1 I would also like to see that list. Many of my knots slip when not supposed to and can not be undone except with pliers or a knife.
labrat7357 1 year ago
The floor will still get wet in heavy rain, so tent is better.
HomoGnosticus 1 year ago
The second knot you tied to the tree is also known as a trucker's hitch. No matter what you call it, it's a great knot.
Canon60d 1 year ago
That's a slick set up —nice.
Canon60d 1 year ago
I've been rewatching your videos quite a bit. I've looked at probably 1,000 different setups and still haven't found one that I like as much as yours. Your bivi cover and mosquito net too. The knots used are just outstanding. I hope that you put some new videos out soon. It's been a really long time and I sure do enjoy them.
rowdybeaver33 1 year ago
Ohh dear.. your 'tarp' needs to be at the most of waist height, and you dont need all these fancy nots eather, just get about 8-10 bungies and about 15 tent begs, i can put one up in about 3 mins.. trust me with 6 years in the British army, i think i know..
RIFLES2J 1 year ago
@RIFLES2J You've got to be kidding.
rowdybeaver33 1 year ago
@rowdybeaver33 Kidding about what?
RIFLES2J 1 year ago
These types of skills should be taught as part of a child's basic education.
kendigjl 1 year ago
Went camping this long weekend in Canada.
Used your setup for the 1rst time and I must admit that the tarp looked pretty darn good.
I used a regular type tarp.
Thank you ...Have a great Summer...
ppclicpl 1 year ago
so would you just sleep under the tarp or have some sort of hammock?
GhillieNova 1 year ago
if it pissed down wouldn't you get wet?
kertcobainSA 1 year ago
@kertcobainSA He said to lower the ridgeline and stake the tarp to the ground if it "pissed down".
rowdybeaver33 1 year ago
@rowdybeaver33 I agree it is a top set up and the tensioning lines off the corner lines is a real inovation. Rifles 2j may have been too busy reliving his past glories during his 6 years in the Brownies or was it the Brit army ( I always confuse the two).
He must believe he is the only person with experience. What is that saying about a wise man can always learn even from a fool, but a fool will never learn even from a wise man. Seems to be a parallell here.
labrat7357 1 year ago
I really don' t understand the tensioning knot system. It's pretty cool but I just can't quite tell what he's doing.
enjoythewildUSA 1 year ago
Mike I used your method of setting up a tarp on a week long trip to the mountains of West Virginia and it worked great!!! Thanks a heap. Sure made that trip better not having to worry about the tarp during the two rains that hit us.
scarz1951 1 year ago
Where do you sleep? In a hammock or on the ground?
Knathanielmarsh 1 year ago
how do you tie a tension knot?
enjoythewildUSA 1 year ago
Seems more complicated then need be. A tarp shelter should take 3 min to put up. Anymore than that and you've over complicated the process.
ProvidentTools 1 year ago
When I was in the Canadian Military we were taught how to put up a teant.
When it came to the poncho style they showed us a way to stop rain from comign in
What we did was when the ridge line was up we would tie a bigger piece of rope just befor the tent on both ends and then when it rained the water would then go down that part and off.but some still came in but not much.
Thanks for the teachings.
I am looking forward to camping this summer and utilsing all that I have practised from you.
ppclicpl 1 year ago
I like how you tell us the knots you use. Thanks.
SECRETBOL 1 year ago
Seems to me this would be something best combined with a tent, in order to have an area protected from overhead rain so you can still cook or do whatever, but sleep in the tent so that water running along the ground wont be a problem. Unless ofcourse your going to sleep elevated or dig a water route around your camp, curse old military habits :P
hybredmoon 1 year ago
How would you prevent water from the ground from infiltrating your dry area using a tarp? Like...if you're on a slight incline won't water get in?
Poonard 1 year ago
what if it rains sideways O.O n is it strong against wind?
cl1azn 1 year ago
How are the loops for your ridgeline attached to the tarp? Are they sewn on?
MacCairnie 1 year ago
I could not see what you r doing so you need better close ups.
mythic89 1 year ago
How did you tie the 2 middle lines to the outter lines?Could you video it up vlose so I can see how you do it please.
ppclicpl 1 year ago
@ppclicpl Sorry for the confusion. I tie an alpine hitch in the corner line and then the middle lines attach to this loop. The middle lines have tensioning knots on one of their ends. I have a diagram of it on my website which may help a bit. Thanks for watching. ML
BCNW1 1 year ago 3
@BCNW1
Thank you
Sorry,I eventually pade attention,lol.Then saw it on the Vid.
Hope to oneday getting down there with my Son and enjoy a course with you and others.
ppclicpl 1 year ago
@BCNW1 What's your web site?
mischif25 1 year ago
@BCNW1 People are so stupid and ignorant today, when it comes to Bushcraft, people have said to me how can you kill little rabbits and eat them, I said you go to a store and eat meat that has been feed grain, hormones,steroids and chemicals and butchered in feed lots with shit and piss, and Iam the savage??..lol
5tonyvvvv 7 months ago
seems like so much work. wheres my go go gadget tarp lol
ElijahDTF 1 year ago
i use a basha just like your tarp but i have a hamock
CaptinCam0 1 year ago
What kind of knots are at the end of your guy lines in the grommets near the tarp end of your tensioning knots?
oldlifegone 1 year ago
What kind of knots are you using to attach the guylines to the grommets at the tarp end of the tensioning knots?
oldlifegone 1 year ago
great vid man i wish you did more of them also is this the same tarp thats on your website.
OregonBackpacker 1 year ago
Nice post indeed. I need to learn about knots etc too1
sim0b 1 year ago
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Thanks for the great tutorial. The variety of knots along with the tensioning systems you have used on the ridge line and tarp sides are an improvement on many other tarp setups I've seen. I'll be adopting this system in future.
irussb 1 year ago
Thanks for the great tutorial. The variety of knots along with the tensioning systems you have used on the ridge line and tarp sides are an improvement on many other tarp setups I've seen. I'll be adopting this system in future.
irussb 1 year ago
Use tree huggers to save the bark.
bdmason999 1 year ago
Nice set-up, but my scouts are discouraged from tying knots to trees as part of the "leave no trace" philosophy. they are forbidden to tie anything to trees at Philmont, after thousands of scouts the trees would have no bark left.
Any pointers for stick or trekking poles?
knarfster 1 year ago
I see it as a good idea to make a temp shelter or a covering outside of a tent. But many tents are waterproof, they protect you from wind and rain, not just a straight downpour. But I would set up this tarp outside my tent as a breakdown area
johnmonk66 1 year ago
Very good video. I'm a tenter, but this helps me build a tarp for extra rain protection and possible extension for comfort.
Thanks for also calling out the knots and providing learning info on them.
Knots are our friend. :)
BaKonStrip 1 year ago
bad side of this idea is that if one hook pull out, 25% of your shelter is gone?! Also any ideas for someone with a smaller tarp? ive got a Hlleberg tarp but its half of yours size?
Axbent 1 year ago
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knarfster 1 year ago
Lots of knots I'd love to know how to tie, but you work too fast! I can't follow you!
Ekdog 1 year ago
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MacCairnie 2 years ago
Excellent vid. Im going tarp camping for the first time and this was very helpful. One question though, what variation of the quick release knot did you use for tying the tarp to the prussik knot? Thanks!
mcast43322 2 years ago
Michael, This is an excellent video with great commentary and instruction.
EQUIPnTRIP 2 years ago 6
1. Great info
2. Great presentation
bd36576 2 years ago 19
@bd36576 agreed... very professional, luxurious design yeh... but very effective
240SSONLY 1 year ago
Excellent video. I learned a few more knots. Thanks.
clearlyme2u 2 years ago 4
AAA-lesson, thank you! 5stars
masterdurchgriff 2 years ago 4
Mike I just got a good tarp and looks like a great setup to try question though is why the ridge line is running outside opposed to inside of the tarp? thanks
medicjimr 2 years ago
if possible, I keep the ridgeline on the outside to avoid the possibility of rain wicking down the line and dripping inside the tarp as well as the added stability of multiple prusik knots. With larger tarps, I often drape the tarp over the ridgeline, but the tarps I use have the ties attached so why not use them. :>) Hope this answers your questions and thanks for watching. ML
BCNW1 2 years ago 7
After I asked the question I figured that was your reasoning thanks again mike
medicjimr 2 years ago
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also, i imagine that if you pitch the tarp over the ridge line, the tarp and ridge line will rub slightly in the wind. over time, this may cause the tarp to wear thin. this was my experience using a regular woven nylon tarp. i don't actually have experience with this material.
great vid, mate. can you comment on the waterproofness of this equinox tarp? i'm thinking about getting one myself.
emptystorage 1 year ago
@medicjimr You could sew outsideloops onto a standard tarp but you MUST use seam sealer or rain will find a way in through the holes you made by sewing.
Another trick is to tie a line on the ridge outside the tarp and let it droop toward the ground. Hopefully the rain will follow it and not come under the tarp.
This is a good, useful video.
flintstone9812 1 year ago
@medicjimr
also, i imagine that if you pitch the tarp over the ridge line, the tarp and ridge line will rub slightly in the wind. over time, this may cause the tarp to wear thin. this was my experience using a regular woven nylon tarp. i don't actually have experience with this material.
great vid, mate. can you comment on the waterproofness of this equinox tarp? i'm thinking about getting one myself.
emptystorage 1 year ago
@emptystorage Makes sense thanks for sharring
medicjimr 1 year ago
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emptystorage 1 year ago
great system but noe always useable so then you have to change it... look at mr mears resoning bdhind not doing it this way, it's all personal preference in the end..As cool as this is, Ray gets my vote.. thanks for the vid though
igiefive 2 years ago
Hi, I've never encountered a time when I was not able to use my system or had to "change it" other than having to stake directly to the ground in really bad weather. That's not a fault in setup, it's just what you have to do with tarps occasionally. I do use a leanto setup also as shown in my other video in which case the guylines are left wrapped up. These are just my suggestions, so if you've found a way you prefer of course you should use it. Thx for watching and for the comment.
BCNW1 2 years ago
This is excellent for more than one nights camp (3 maybe), not so sure about an overnight camp.
LabRat6619 2 years ago
Sorry, don't know what you mean. This takes about four minutes to set up...
BCNW1 2 years ago 6
Your obviously more experienced than me in making a camp.
LabRat6619 2 years ago
@LabRat6619 Your an idiot
snakeeyes3211 7 months ago
@snakeeyes3211 You might want to get **YOUR** spelling right if **YOU'RE** going to call people stoooopid.
WorldClimb 6 months ago
@WorldClimb You're the one to talk. Its Stupid ;)
snakeeyes3211 6 months ago
Thats a really cool design, i really like that edge tension system. I have a question though, could this system be adapted to just one tree, and staking the other end of the ridgeline into the ground? Also, how stable is it with no trees, using either one or two sticks or trekking poles to hold the ridge line up?
oaney 2 years ago
Hi, I've used this setup with trekking poles and other variations in a pinch and it's always worked great. It's a very adaptable system but try everything out at home before you go out to be sure you solve any problems there instead of in the backcountry. Thx for watching. ML
BCNW1 2 years ago
Good setup. I myself cant use it though. The wife needs a tent. But Personally this is the rout I would go if it was my choice. Well done, and thank you.
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SurvivalWithBushcraf 2 years ago
guys couldn't i take a a 8x8 or 10x10 $2 tarp and rig the ridge line then throw the tarp over it and stake out the 4 grommets?
tigerboyav 2 years ago
Ridge above stops water wicking through!
revsharky 2 years ago
Thanks for the vid. Is there any practical difference between having the tarp supporting ridgeline running under the tarp as opposed to above it? Cheers.
interlinga 2 years ago
what about the bugs?
hurltor 2 years ago
All I can say is eat lot's of garlic , and make sure your bring your deep woods off.
onefastdart 2 years ago
They eat you alive... so you dont have to worry about takeing it down :P Take a mosquito net its small and is heaven when bugs are bad
haha48 2 years ago
what size is that tarp?
TheFallenFilms 2 years ago
This is an 8' x 10'
BCNW1 2 years ago
The tensioning on the mid-grommets is a variation of a Philmont Scout tarp! Great vid!
badgebffr 2 years ago
A lot of unnecessary effort on the guylines there bud. What I do is tie a tensioning slip knot with the 4 corner guys and peg them out, there's no need for the centre guylines.
scottc20 2 years ago
After using the standard set up you've described for years, I've found the addition of the extra lines kept my tarp much more stable in the high winds and heavy rain/snow we can get out here in the Pacific Northwest. On a calm summer day it doesn't really matter, but I use this rig year round. I don't really consider this extra effort as the lines are already tied and the tarp goes up in just a few minutes. Of course, everyone has to use whatever system works best for them. ML
BCNW1 2 years ago
That makes sense, I live in a temperate environment so my experiences will obviously differ, now I can see why more stability would be necessary in your stomping ground.
scottc20 2 years ago
This is great!!! I'm going camping this coming week and am going to use this set up!! i think you should do a video on how to sharpen a knife since you have a video on knife techniques!! but great videos mate thanks!!
lachnessdw 2 years ago
jesus man just put it up....... whats with the 20 different knots?
yetiflicker 2 years ago
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SthealthRaider 2 years ago
dude !!! I Love it! 5/5
SthealthRaider 2 years ago
Nice Job!
nonamelef 2 years ago
I found this pretty intersting, changes my perspective for outdoor spaces. I still think the tent is easier because of its simplicity to setup and the fact the bugs cant get you as easily
956318 2 years ago
heyy could you teach us how to do the similar type of set up but with a ordonary tarp
noodlelova1800 2 years ago
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dominiclutwyche 2 years ago
Hello Michael.. Great knots, I acctually do the same thing with my tarp and ridgeline...
One thing I haven't tried out yet is to use the other grommits on my tarp.. your setup looks great with the tensionin knots, I will try that out..
thanks for a great vid... keep 'em coming..
19leon73 2 years ago
looks very nice! I'll have to try this setup on an upcoming trip
blamshiza 2 years ago
wow that really is a nice looking tent you make it look so easy. I don't think I would be able to do something like that without lots of practice.
Shadowgoesboo 2 years ago
how did you attach athe lines to the tarp
OregonBackpacker 2 years ago
I used an alpine loop. It's a strong loop that works well when the tension comes from all directions.
Thanks, ML
BCNW1 2 years ago
hello!! i only have those polyprop tarps those blue ones but i think their good to! can i use em too?
SthealthRaider 2 years ago
He is proficient and that is certainly a tight set-up, but it is also pretty darn complicated. You can set up an entire tarp using only one of those knots, the power cinch or trucker's hitch, on every attachment.
atlpaul 2 years ago
Hi, just wanted to let you know why I used the knots I did. I used the power cinch on the ridge line because you can apply the maximum tension (much more than a tensioning hitch). The tensioning knots are used where they are so you don't have to retie them each time as you would with the powercinch. The bowline is used at the grommets because you need an open loop there to allow movement. The good news is you only have to tie them once. :>) Thanks for watching. ML
BCNW1 2 years ago
Very interesting but will you really stay dry in a rainstorm with this system? It just seems so open that the ground beneath you would become soaked and wet.
adventuresocal 2 years ago
this setup really improved my tarps performance. thanks!
chaseandtonya 2 years ago
snakes are unlikely to just attack unless it feels scared and needs to protect itself.
kertcobainSA 2 years ago
thats a wonderfull video for an intermediate outdoorsman with some basic knowledge. we need more experts like you!
gnp8766 2 years ago
awesome video a little complicated but maybe im just stupid.
gands1102 2 years ago
is this the 8x10 version?
AlexxMcGraw 2 years ago
Yep, it's the 8x10 size that's on my website.
BCNW1 2 years ago
for the trap set up is there a more closed in way to make this trap cause i would like to bring a tarp but also make all sides closed in
JobbyRoshTrobby 3 years ago
yeh, instead of having the lines go out from the edges and corners just put a peg in the grommet or loop and peg the edge straight into the ground.
nicknnac 2 years ago
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Very cool video.
ninaandnally 3 years ago 4
Get a wide angle lens, fellas. It opens up the frame so we get a sense we are seeing "enough" to know where you are. Here we have a sort of periscope view.
Excellent information, however.
kc7fys 3 years ago
Thank you for the video well done. Why are people talking about cars I am confused. Who would get into a fight during an informational video. Kinda funny
jmfcg5 3 years ago
You can buy grommet kits at camping/craft stores and wal-mart and install your own. Nice video and clear instructions. Thanks
Foehammer54 3 years ago
Thats very bad if you want to make a fire in the tent. Or under the tarp.
Thanks!
Kadzait1 3 years ago
Also what would you suggest to do if you dont have the grommets available? I have the strings on my equinox but no grommets which makes the prussix knot and the tensioning connections difficult.
AppalachianSC 3 years ago
What type of cordage do you use? Mine seems to be too stretchy. The parachute cord maybe?
AppalachianSC 3 years ago
This is awesome ^^ I use tarps all the time.
Treemeadowsbackup 3 years ago
Great video. Thanks for posting.
05MagnumSXT 3 years ago
im 6ft5in... is the tarp long enough to cover my feet you think?
KonstantinKuehn 3 years ago
You're right on the edge there but should be fine. You can also set the tarp up with the 10' length along you ridgeline for extra room. Another option is to sleep diagonally with the 8' ridgeline for more coverage. They also make a 10x12 size that doesn't weigh much more if you're really concerned and can't try one out before you buy. Hope this helps and thanks for watching. ML
BCNW1 3 years ago
Brilliantly demonstrated video! I've watched a number of videos on how to set up a tarp shelter, but this has been the most helpful. Many thanks.
rocketjambo 3 years ago
i was losing tension when sucuring the powercinch with half hitch, i found that if you bring the working end back round the tree a second time and through the pulley you can pull and tension it really tight and it holds while you secure it with a half hitch.
pwnstr08 3 years ago
That's a very good point...there are many ways to secure the working end after it goes through the pulley. You can also tie off to a branch with a round turn and slippery half hitch as well. Whatever works best in the situation. Thanks for watching and for the comment. ML
BCNW1 3 years ago
Equinox can rip easily in strong winds.
GoLite, MSR make better tarps.
technogearhead 3 years ago
GoLite and MSR make fine gear, but I've never had a problem with my Equinox tarp. I live in the Columbia River Gorge, home of wind surfers and wind turbines, and I've used the same tarp for five years now with no problems and no rips. Plus, they're made in the USA. Thanks for watching. ML
BCNW1 3 years ago
I summit and I find loops to be better then gromets in strong winds.
As for "made in America", I am not one of those that bash Asian made stuff, because they make great stuff at great prices.
Besides we make crappy stuff, and the only other cuture who make crappier stuff and actually boasts about it are euro imports.
Check out the new Sea to Summit poncho.
dinnerandashow 3 years ago
I do everything I can to support local products and products made in countries with labor and environmental laws I agree with.
I've also had the opposite experience to yours and fine US and European products (Filson, Duluth Pack, Gransfors, etc) to be of the highest quality. As a field biologist, I've worn out more inferior gear than I'd like to think about and found what works for me. Sounds like you have as well so I wish you the best of luck. ML
BCNW1 3 years ago
dude i completely agree with you! European and american products are of a very high quality for the most part! i really disagree with dinnerandashow.. because in asia for the most part they mass produce everything in a factory and dont pay attention to detail and quality as much as just getting the product out on the market.... well i really like your vids KEEP EM COMING BCNW1!! how bout some wild edibles or something. (next vid suggestion)
KonstantinKuehn 3 years ago
So should I return my Fujitsu laptop, iPhone (Samsung hardware) and Lexus? =)
What are you talking about Japan makes the best stuff. I rather have a Lexus over a Fiat anyday. =)
But as he said, what ever works for you.
I admit Chinese made stuff is a hit or miss. I find items designed in America and made in China to be the poorest quality.
As for Euro, I buy my suites from there, because its really nice, but nothing high tech. The rest if hype.
solobackpacking 3 years ago
well a fiat is in a totally different class than lexus u cant even compare the two i would definitely go with a bmw over a lexus but thats just me
KonstantinKuehn 3 years ago
lol
you are being soooo transparent.
obviously a white supremist attitude.
happy holidays anyway.
hate is not a family value.
solobackpacking 3 years ago
no man what are u talking about all im saying is i think most high end european cars are better than most high end japanese cars that doesnt mean im a white supremicist! i love katanas and such i think they are the best ancient blades! u must be really uneducated to automatically think that!
KonstantinKuehn 3 years ago
Please dont let me interfere with your beliefs. All I know is that most unbias tests show Japanese cars are top. The recently release Yahoo car reviews showed the top cars in reliability and performance to be Japanese. The bottom were European. So I am not sure where you came up with the bases for your standards. Could it be a double standard?
I callem like I see em. God forbid I may give credit where credit is due based on merit. I am not loyal to race or borders. Intellgence & hardwork.
solobackpacking 3 years ago
One brilliant video. well done sir
MuhsinTheMomin 3 years ago
great stuff
pwnstr08 3 years ago
really great video. Thanks for the link with the knots... super useful!
Ypsteve311 3 years ago
Thank you, that is a great video.
lynottfan4 3 years ago
very impressive set up indeed. I still enjoy tents but this in combination with a tent would be more than adequate and borderline luxurious on a deep woods trip. Thank you very much! ;) great ideas indeed.
kuribo1 3 years ago
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loki1066 3 years ago
Stop spamming peoples vids. There is nothing wrong with that vid - all the problems you listed are ridiculous.
nickynwong 3 years ago
awesome very nicely presented. Thanks a lot.
Argo108 3 years ago
Your video presentation is excellent. Your instructions are clear, not too detailed for beginners (beginners can get lost in too much detail), and the pauses are excellent so the user can see what you are doing. You must have experience doing videos or a natural talent. Keep up the good work.
crawfish069 3 years ago
Great video. Is that powercinch the same as what is sometimes called a "trucker's hitch"?
slidewinder9 3 years ago
Yep, that's the same knot. Sometimes the trucker's hitch is tied with a more permanent loop than what I use in the video, but the idea is the same. In case you're interested, I have diagrams posted on my website that show how to tie the knots used in this tarp setup. Thanks for watching and for the kind words. ML
BCNW1 3 years ago
Great video. I use a poncho instead of a tarp because it doubles as rain gear. What do you do about the mosquitos and black flies if your sleeping in a tarp?
ArmyRanger10 3 years ago
Thanks for the kind words. Please check out my "Ultralight Gear" video to see the bug screen I use. It's also on my website bushcraftnorthwest . com
BCNW1 3 years ago
Cool website. You should add a forum for people to join the site and post. If you need help with that my friend knows a lot about that stuff maby he could help.
ArmyRanger10 3 years ago
This is a good set up, however I have two points. First, I use the Powercinch on my ridge line for tension, and it's a superb knot, but I don't see the point in creating a pulley when wrapping the rope around the ridge line and pulling, then securing with a slippery hitch does the same job. But I guess it's personal preference. Secondly, using a Penberthy Prusik to attach the tarp's end loops is better, as they can be adjusted back and forth along the ridge line but always remain super tight.
CenturyEndSaviour 3 years ago