@LSJShez i noticed that as well. two great filmmakers dying on the same day isn't irony, but if you noticed the rest of his post is garbage as well. i assume he's american, since we are notorious for not understanding what irony is. this is reflected rather well in alanis morrisette's song "ironic", which lists a bunch of examples of things that are ironic, none of them really being so, e.g. rain on your wedding day.
Non sequitur: "I remember when I was a child, my parents' bedroom was next to the living room; my mother listened to the radio and I always asked her to turn the volume down because I couldn't get to sleep. It annoyed me, but for her it was a quiet time with a voice talking. And it did have a strong impact on the imagination: when you hear things, you automatically create in your mind pictures to visualize the things you have heard, to give shape to the words." --Michelangelo Antonioni
Just to point out, he gave this interview in 2002. So most of the filmmakers he's talking about are probably the same you guys are talking about. It's not that movies have declined so much in the last 9 years, I think it's just he's probably not even talking about Michael Bay so much as other more interesting directors who still just don't have much to say.
"...Those that are emerging are so incredibly talented, these young emerging directors. They know the job well."
Oh Ingmar Bergman, I wish you would have been alive to see the state of modern cinema. Or perhaps being almost the god of cinema, you may be glancing down to see the utter stupidity, idiocy, and absurdity of modern cinema. You would take your statement back surely.
I know he's one of the finest directors to ever live but I don't really agree with him here. I feel that film is whatever you want it to be, wether that's tell a message or just be entertaining, or both. Tarantino for example is all entertainment, Kubrick was mainly substance, Scorsese is a mix of the two. I know a lot of top level directors aren't fans of Scorsese because they feel the same as Bergman, he's one of best technical directors around but doesn't always have a message.
@bobb328 I probably misunderstand your criteria, but isn't Stanley Kubrick the consummate filmmaker because his films are both highly entertaining and of substance.
I love reading these comments like, "Orson Welles was overrated." Quite simply, there isn't much to say. I would just recommend you watch the first five minutes of Touch of Evil or F for Fake. And then try and tell me he was overrated.
Antonioni was the first director to really make film seem line fine art. what i mean by this is, his shot compositions, particularly in the malaise trilogy and Red Desert, were just so ahead of the pack it wasn't funny. the lighting, framing etc was just not as obvious as his predecessors. it was deceptively simple. 'La Notte' and 'Red Desert' are two of the best shot films ever in my opinion
@jujunanino what? they arent even close to the most technical... and how can you not like bergman?? antonioni is great but it is godard who is overrated..
many new director know about tacnically well, but they haven't know that what the souls of film, arts and life. which anthonioni was doing. thats the fact.
i totally agree with bergman. today filmakers don't have something to say even though they possess superior technical skills. they are becoming so technical and overlooking content
That's because of Film School Culture...where film students are taking film courses where they watch movies they otherwise never would have seen.
Why? Because Film School Culture teaches that you have to learn all of the technical side of filmmaking first, and maybe watch some movies later.
Yet another reason why movies are so bad now, and so impersonal. You can't teach an "artistic voice", to be sure, but you can certainly encourage it, which Film Schools don't.
calling this man jealous is slow thinking,the man loved film,he went as he says 5 days a week,and what he says here is significant-as with any language,painting ,music cinema-you must have something to say.I don't agree with him on Antonioni's masterpieces,I personally prefer L'Aaventura,and Il Grido.
En jävla bra poäng han sa på slutet. Svensk film har gått neråt efter Bergman. Roy Andersson, Peter Stormare, Stellan Skarsgård och Lasse Hallström är undantagen, annars så har vi nästan inget att skryta med utomlands. Visst, "Ondskan" och "Så som i himmelen" har blivit oscarsnominerade men de känns som ett par engångsföretelser. Min poäng är att det är på tiden att Sverige gör bättre film. Det är min åsikt.
goto, 180 degree rule is a rule that says you cant cross the line between two actors' heads with the camera. When you do it, usually (but not always;)) it confuses the audience. It's like filmmakers' 1st commandement. Its being taught in every film book/school.
But MA broke it, like, in every second one of his movies, and great japanese master Ozu in pretty much ALL of his movies I've seen xD
It was a devastating news for me, too. I remember they have both died in very short period of time (2 days?), so it was kind of double blow.
It was also very strange. One day I was watching Through a Glass Darkly (for the 1st time ever, and enjoyed it very much) and 2 days later I'm being told about IB's death (and it turned out that I was watching TGD about the same time he passed away).
But you know... He still lives, and will live as long as his films will be alive in us.
I'd also say Blow Up is one of Antonioni's weakest movies (but still good), it has aged badly. I'd rather see either Il deserto rosso or Passenger or L'avventura to
be his best/greatest masterpiece. All in all, Antonioni had statistically greater percent of masterpieces than IB and laughed at filmmakinge rules, therefore I think Bergie was just a jealous old bastard.
How can you call IB such a stupid word? Don't talk about things you don't now shit about.
Who are you to judge anything, your'e nothing, Bergman made films that a LOT of people enjoy, so just go wank off or something that don't require any form of intelligence. Because you seriously are in lack of it.
Now that was a fucking mistandartanding taina. For your knowledge: I regard IB as one of the very few all time greatest filmmakers, the same highest level as MA.
It's just when he says some bullshit and dises Antonioni, I call him a moron. I mean, FFS, theyre both great, why does he do it, because he want to be called world's no.1 director? This is nothing technically wrong with MA movies what prevent some of them from being masterpieces. IB was great filmmaker but as a human-jealous bastard.
Ok, maybe I wrote too fast, i appreciate your reply:-) I LOVE IB, and i cried a whole day when he died, its kinda an emotional subject for med, he is and will allways be the biggest inspiration for me as an actress:-) But yes, hes wasnt perfect, like none of us are, but he admitted it bluntly and made it in to films, and that IS hes genius.
Greetings from Denmark:-) (Wich is very close to Sweden btw;-)
I think Bergman dissed Antonioni a little because maestro broke the 180 degree rule in like every his film;) IMO, Antonioni did this probably for purpose, and tbh even people one who've seen his films several times don't notice that.
@dcasey77 The films of Bergman were so wellplanned in every techincal aspect, I mean the camera- and character movements, positions and framings, and the editing, the whole handcraft behind his films were so tight made. Antonioni was much more loose, intuitive and spontaneous when he handled his technical side of his films, he did rarely plan what to do on the days of shooting. Zabriskie Point is a mess, and so is The Passenger. Actors are out of frame, editing and sound almost out of timing.
@dcasey77 I think Bergman means he is not a functionary: that Antonioni does not cling to technique. He is not in service of the câmera, but the other way round.
Ingmar is correct, in that many new directors know their job, know technology, know the craft, but have nothing really interesting to say. And it's a damn shame.
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The importance of "messages" or a meaningful idealistic approach in films are way overrated. There is absolutely no need for such distractions.
MrRazorblade999 1 month ago
How is two great filmmakers dying on the same day ironic?
LSJShez 5 months ago
@LSJShez i noticed that as well. two great filmmakers dying on the same day isn't irony, but if you noticed the rest of his post is garbage as well. i assume he's american, since we are notorious for not understanding what irony is. this is reflected rather well in alanis morrisette's song "ironic", which lists a bunch of examples of things that are ironic, none of them really being so, e.g. rain on your wedding day.
clockworkscott 5 months ago
@clockworkscott I don't think it's really a nationality thing. Coincidental might have been a better way of putting it.
LSJShez 5 months ago
Bergman and Antonioni died the same they, two genius with a particular sensibility, thanks forever!
Vittoriocacciatore 6 months ago
Non sequitur: "I remember when I was a child, my parents' bedroom was next to the living room; my mother listened to the radio and I always asked her to turn the volume down because I couldn't get to sleep. It annoyed me, but for her it was a quiet time with a voice talking. And it did have a strong impact on the imagination: when you hear things, you automatically create in your mind pictures to visualize the things you have heard, to give shape to the words." --Michelangelo Antonioni
thepodeltaitaly 10 months ago
Just to point out, he gave this interview in 2002. So most of the filmmakers he's talking about are probably the same you guys are talking about. It's not that movies have declined so much in the last 9 years, I think it's just he's probably not even talking about Michael Bay so much as other more interesting directors who still just don't have much to say.
MyName42 11 months ago
@MyName42 Michael Bay? Of course he's not, he's talking about swedish directors.
mandolinroad 9 months ago
I am shocked to hear him talk lightly of the great genius that is Antonioni. Then why quote him?
maneatingseas 11 months ago 5
Somebody might have said this already, I don't know. But Ingmar Bergman and Michelangelo Antonioni died on the very same day: July 30, 2007.
MowgliX 1 year ago
"...Those that are emerging are so incredibly talented, these young emerging directors. They know the job well."
Oh Ingmar Bergman, I wish you would have been alive to see the state of modern cinema. Or perhaps being almost the god of cinema, you may be glancing down to see the utter stupidity, idiocy, and absurdity of modern cinema. You would take your statement back surely.
ArianR10 1 year ago
I know he's one of the finest directors to ever live but I don't really agree with him here. I feel that film is whatever you want it to be, wether that's tell a message or just be entertaining, or both. Tarantino for example is all entertainment, Kubrick was mainly substance, Scorsese is a mix of the two. I know a lot of top level directors aren't fans of Scorsese because they feel the same as Bergman, he's one of best technical directors around but doesn't always have a message.
bobb328 1 year ago
@bobb328 I probably misunderstand your criteria, but isn't Stanley Kubrick the consummate filmmaker because his films are both highly entertaining and of substance.
hibernatinghedgehog 1 year ago
Bergman and Antonioni both died the very same day: 30 july 2007.
MowgliX 1 year ago
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asielnorton 1 year ago
B-man says: To be a Director > to direct. That is the problem of the next generation
comeandtateher 1 year ago
I love reading these comments like, "Orson Welles was overrated." Quite simply, there isn't much to say. I would just recommend you watch the first five minutes of Touch of Evil or F for Fake. And then try and tell me he was overrated.
pickpoche 1 year ago
I think Fanny and Alexander is a great film
paracel72 1 year ago
I saw him in a videostoreone once,. He had no id:)
paracel72 1 year ago
Antonioni was the first director to really make film seem line fine art. what i mean by this is, his shot compositions, particularly in the malaise trilogy and Red Desert, were just so ahead of the pack it wasn't funny. the lighting, framing etc was just not as obvious as his predecessors. it was deceptively simple. 'La Notte' and 'Red Desert' are two of the best shot films ever in my opinion
lamentate07 1 year ago
Antonioni is not a technician???WTF?
antonioni and Godard are most technicians in cinema history.absolutly different but best.far better then overated Orson wells
jujunanino 2 years ago 4
@jujunanino what? they arent even close to the most technical... and how can you not like bergman?? antonioni is great but it is godard who is overrated..
blaiserfilms 4 months ago
Orson never really had a body of work. His first was so great.
paracel72 2 years ago
everyone's taste is different. In my opinion, Bergman's films are far more dull and obvious than Antonioni, but each to their own.
lamentate07 2 years ago
yes I agree.antonioni is monotonous but still interesting and not boring as bergmans.I don't like bergman much.
jujunanino 2 years ago 4
I read a interview where he calls Orsen Welles overrated, I think that was a bit much.
beasy1234 2 years ago
Bergman is right. a lot of younger film makers are talented, but their films are usually devoid of content.
lamentate07 2 years ago 2
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paracel72 2 years ago
many new director know about tacnically well, but they haven't know that what the souls of film, arts and life. which anthonioni was doing. thats the fact.
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Bergman was ridiculously overrated. He made one perfect film and that's "Persona."
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DavidGruwez 2 years ago
I think the Red Desert had a lot to say. And L'Avventura is a masterpiece.
Casualvacancy 2 years ago 3
Orsen Welles didn't hold Antonioni in high regard either. But at least Antonioni can take comfort in the fact Kurosawa was fan of his.
almanacofsleep 2 years ago 2
i totally agree with bergman. today filmakers don't have something to say even though they possess superior technical skills. they are becoming so technical and overlooking content
pietrogutta 2 years ago
That's because of Film School Culture...where film students are taking film courses where they watch movies they otherwise never would have seen.
Why? Because Film School Culture teaches that you have to learn all of the technical side of filmmaking first, and maybe watch some movies later.
Yet another reason why movies are so bad now, and so impersonal. You can't teach an "artistic voice", to be sure, but you can certainly encourage it, which Film Schools don't.
DoubleTalkingJive 2 years ago 3
calling this man jealous is slow thinking,the man loved film,he went as he says 5 days a week,and what he says here is significant-as with any language,painting ,music cinema-you must have something to say.I don't agree with him on Antonioni's masterpieces,I personally prefer L'Aaventura,and Il Grido.
crypttonite 2 years ago
why must art have something to say. Cant it just be asthetically great????
andynm123 2 years ago
NO!
kinaskatinaszalia 2 years ago
Why NOT!!??
andynm123 2 years ago
cause you get nothing from it if does not have substance... it gives you pleasure or smth. and that is it- it is worthless and dead.
kinaskatinaszalia 2 years ago
there is nothing that art MUST be, the only question is if it works for you or not.
andynm123 2 years ago 5
opinions are like a**holes kids.....
volumedealer 3 years ago 2
so true, so true....
fountost0 3 years ago
They went arm in arm the 30th of July 2007.
Really spooky/beautiful, or both, pick what u want or check Wiki. Bergman passed 3 hours later CET than Antonioni..
zurapDOR 3 years ago
ART FILM MAKER beeF
powelldinho 3 years ago
This is the greatest statment i have ever heard!!!Bravo!!!
kosarasaramitik 3 years ago 3
En jävla bra poäng han sa på slutet. Svensk film har gått neråt efter Bergman. Roy Andersson, Peter Stormare, Stellan Skarsgård och Lasse Hallström är undantagen, annars så har vi nästan inget att skryta med utomlands. Visst, "Ondskan" och "Så som i himmelen" har blivit oscarsnominerade men de känns som ett par engångsföretelser. Min poäng är att det är på tiden att Sverige gör bättre film. Det är min åsikt.
how2233 3 years ago 3
Max von Sydow är det bästa vi har för tillfället, utan tvekan.
Bonapart3 3 years ago 2
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paracel72 2 years ago
goto, 180 degree rule is a rule that says you cant cross the line between two actors' heads with the camera. When you do it, usually (but not always;)) it confuses the audience. It's like filmmakers' 1st commandement. Its being taught in every film book/school.
But MA broke it, like, in every second one of his movies, and great japanese master Ozu in pretty much ALL of his movies I've seen xD
And somehow it didn't confuse me at all.
Wacek4444 3 years ago
The real geniuses always break "the rules", they are superiour to others.
:-)
taina1968 3 years ago
I couldnt help but noticed it wasnt very nice of you to call me (or anybody) "nothing".
I did NOTHING comparing to Berman's filmmaking or literaty achievements, but calling ME nothing was just rude, bitch.
Wacek4444 3 years ago
It was a bit rude, i apologize:-)
taina1968 3 years ago
I apreciate it;)
It was a devastating news for me, too. I remember they have both died in very short period of time (2 days?), so it was kind of double blow.
It was also very strange. One day I was watching Through a Glass Darkly (for the 1st time ever, and enjoyed it very much) and 2 days later I'm being told about IB's death (and it turned out that I was watching TGD about the same time he passed away).
But you know... He still lives, and will live as long as his films will be alive in us.
Wacek4444 3 years ago 2
I'd also say Blow Up is one of Antonioni's weakest movies (but still good), it has aged badly. I'd rather see either Il deserto rosso or Passenger or L'avventura to
be his best/greatest masterpiece. All in all, Antonioni had statistically greater percent of masterpieces than IB and laughed at filmmakinge rules, therefore I think Bergie was just a jealous old bastard.
Wacek4444 3 years ago
How can you call IB such a stupid word? Don't talk about things you don't now shit about.
Who are you to judge anything, your'e nothing, Bergman made films that a LOT of people enjoy, so just go wank off or something that don't require any form of intelligence. Because you seriously are in lack of it.
Moron
taina1968 3 years ago
Now that was a fucking mistandartanding taina. For your knowledge: I regard IB as one of the very few all time greatest filmmakers, the same highest level as MA.
It's just when he says some bullshit and dises Antonioni, I call him a moron. I mean, FFS, theyre both great, why does he do it, because he want to be called world's no.1 director? This is nothing technically wrong with MA movies what prevent some of them from being masterpieces. IB was great filmmaker but as a human-jealous bastard.
Wacek4444 3 years ago
Ok, maybe I wrote too fast, i appreciate your reply:-) I LOVE IB, and i cried a whole day when he died, its kinda an emotional subject for med, he is and will allways be the biggest inspiration for me as an actress:-) But yes, hes wasnt perfect, like none of us are, but he admitted it bluntly and made it in to films, and that IS hes genius.
Greetings from Denmark:-) (Wich is very close to Sweden btw;-)
taina1968 3 years ago 3
Hej
Denmark arw the kings now, so many great films and tv.
Anders
paracel72 2 years ago
fuck denmark...FUCK NATIONALISM...GROW UP...
noizenconfusion 2 years ago 3
@noizenconfusion
He was talking about filmaking and he´s right.
The danish filmindustry is superior in europe right now.
Ericzeppe 2 years ago
@noizenconfusion fuck anti-nationalism
mitzuzauru 2 years ago
@paracel72
You are so right
Ericzeppe 2 years ago
he just stated his opinion. it does not matter if you do not agree with him.
kinaskatinaszalia 2 years ago 3
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If Bergman had had anyone to be jealous of it would have been Fellini or Tarkovsky, not third-rate Antonioni.
modmuss 3 years ago
I think Bergman dissed Antonioni a little because maestro broke the 180 degree rule in like every his film;) IMO, Antonioni did this probably for purpose, and tbh even people one who've seen his films several times don't notice that.
Wacek4444 3 years ago
Modern art is all package and no content.
Antimodern 3 years ago 6
Little inguiry: What's your favourite movie from each of them?
Speaking of me, I haven't seen much of them yet but I just adore Bergman's Persona and Antonioni's Blow-up.
roorybacky 3 years ago 2
Bergman's Seventh Seal and Antonioni's Blow Up/La Notte
CagliosthroAD 3 years ago
what do you know about directing?
poshnile 3 years ago
remember also that Bergman thought Andrey
Tarkovsky the greatest of all!!
taide8ngon 3 years ago 5
the feeling was mutual
OrbinOz 3 years ago 2
I find what he said about Antonioni confusing, not a technician...
He admires Blow Up which is technically one of the most impressive films I've ever seen...
The long take at the end of The Passenger is technically as ambitious as anything Bergman attempted.
Its ironic, two great film makers who died on the same day.
dcasey77 4 years ago 12
I totally agree -- I find Antonioni to be one of the most technically proficient and formal directors in the history of the medium.
MeatyCockandBallz 4 years ago 4
Not to be snarky or anything, but irony is more than a mere coincidence.
dtrailen 1 year ago
@dtrailen Right...
dcasey77 1 year ago
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@dcasey77 Not to be snarky or anything, but irony is more than a mere coincidence.
dtrailen 1 year ago
@dcasey77 The films of Bergman were so wellplanned in every techincal aspect, I mean the camera- and character movements, positions and framings, and the editing, the whole handcraft behind his films were so tight made. Antonioni was much more loose, intuitive and spontaneous when he handled his technical side of his films, he did rarely plan what to do on the days of shooting. Zabriskie Point is a mess, and so is The Passenger. Actors are out of frame, editing and sound almost out of timing.
Morellolover 1 year ago
@Morellolover Advanced planning and technical profiency are two separate things.
dcasey77 1 year ago 3
@dcasey77 It's coincidence.
bmortloff 1 year ago
@bmortloff OK, its a coincidence...
dcasey77 1 year ago
@dcasey77 Bergman hated Antonioni's guts, thats why :)
Pippin76 1 year ago
@dcasey77 I think Bergman means he is not a functionary: that Antonioni does not cling to technique. He is not in service of the câmera, but the other way round.
pevainer 9 months ago
@pevainer Right...
dcasey77 9 months ago
I so agree with Ingmar, these new directors know the job well but they hardly have anything to say through their films.
ewlalah 4 years ago 23
Ingmar is correct, in that many new directors know their job, know technology, know the craft, but have nothing really interesting to say. And it's a damn shame.
GoblinGirl 4 years ago 5
i agree... with almost everyone in here :)
roorybacky 3 years ago
@ewlalah and now, I'd add, most of them don't even know their job well anymore.
KaiChippi 1 year ago 2
@KaiChippi I couldn't agree with you more Chippi, if I may address you by that name.
ArianR10 1 year ago
@ewlalah It's the perfect way of putting it.
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WeShowTeamKlaus 4 years ago
so true
ephemerol 4 years ago
this man knows what he is saying
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