Great video! There are many tares among the wheat! Gal 2:4 They have crept in unawares to spy out the liberty in Christ! Gal 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain. Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work. Do good out of love but real Love is to preach the true life saving gospel of Jesus Christ
For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is thebringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is thebringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
I see that man tries to dissect law trying to separate it into moral, and levitical. In God's eyes, law is law! You can't bring it down so you can obey it! It was added because of transgression, it makes sin more sinful. What? Are you now made perfect by the works of the flesh? By going back under law, you do not submit to the Holy Spirit, or the gift of righteousness, and trample underfoot the Son of God. Knowing this, the law is not for the righteous, but for the lawless and insubordinate.
For those of you who think we still need both today (law mixed with grace) let me ask you two questions. If perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? Let me ask you also, oh man, did you receive the Holy Spirit by the keeping of the law, or by the hearing of faith?!
@MrSpicydrumma Yahshua (Jesus) is a High Priest of the good things to come. His kingdom is not of this world my brother. The change in the New Covenant is the change in the Levitical Priesthood, cause it does not atone for eternity. It is weak and useless in this way. Remember what Paul said, "do we make void the law through grace? God Forbid we establish the law." What did he mean by this? He meant establish the law.
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:14-16
I studied Romans and read about what Paul said about the law. I now hold the position that we should absolutely observe the law. Having said that, the law alone will not give you eternal life. Eternal life comes through faith in Christ. The law (instruction) gives us guidance on how to live our lives. Christ said in Matthew that He came not to destroy the law (instruction from God), but to fulfill it. Law was given through Moses and grace through Yahshua, Jesus, the Messiah. We need both.
@jdb0905 Read Galations and see if you still hold your position about absolutely observing the law. And perhaps listen again to the sermon in this video.
@misterdude123 My brother I have read it in it's entire context. It's important that people know that the definition of sin is trangression of the law. Therefore if we strive to not sin, we strive to keep the law of God. If we do break the law, which is what sin is, we have an advocate with the Father, and his name is Yahshua (Jesus). With the law comes the knowledge of sin because, once again, breaking the law is sin. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. The curse is breaking it...sin
@jdb0905 But when you say absolutely observe the law that means dietary, dress, and the ten commandments and that's just for starters. Tithing has a catch to it. You need a levitical priest to tithe which we don't have. Also unless your SDA, no one observes keeping the sabath holy. Paul taught the galations that if you observer part of the law you are obligated to observe all of it and if we absolutely observe the law we fall from grace and Christ is of no effect to us.
@misterdude123 You may be surprised to find out that I do follow kosher laws, keep the sabbath, wear the blue fringe, because my Father told me to with his torah. As far as the Levitical system, Christ did not do away with it so long as the earth stood. The temple was destroyed later after the death of Yahshua. It will be reestablished again. Study about this vow these 4 men made in Acts 21. Paul joined in their purification rights. It was a Nazerite vow. Go read about it. It can get very deep.
“Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.” For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)
“Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.” For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)
The word Torah means "teaching and instructions" it was mistranslated and they call it "law". Due to the lack of the knowledge of the Hebrew language this people mimic those whom they learn from in their seminaries. One are saved by the blood and trust in Yeshua is his real name(Jesus is his Greek name). After that then you receive the "grace" (another word misinterpreted) which is the priviledge and the power thru the Holy Spirit to follow the TorAH. No law? LAWLESS!! gehena.
The word Torah means "teaching and instructions" it was mistranslated and they call it "law". Due to the lack of the knowledge of the Hebrew language this people mimic those whom they learn from in their seminaries. One are saved by the blood and trust in Yeshua is his real name(Jesus is his Greek name). After that then you receive the "grace" (another word misinterpreted) which is the priviledge and the power thru the Holy Spirit to follow the TorAH. No law? LAWLESS!! .
So let me get this right I can go around sinning because Jesus died for me I mean there is no Law and Sin is the transgression of the Law but Jesus did away with that even though Duet 13 says thats a false prophet. Id love to discuss this with this so called Pastor
@StarofDavid1978 You have to understand the difference between Old & New Covenant.............Check out Romans 7(all) Hebrews8 (all) Galatians5:18 & Galatians 2:19-21. I hope this helps!*
@cornytoad Sorry but it seems it is you who needs to learn the difference my friend Jer 31 says its the Torah written on my heart Ezek 36:26 says that its the Spirit of Yahweh dwelling in me causeing me to walk in the Torah Romans 8 says it gives me the ability to keep the righteous requirments of the Torah not say they are done away Modern Christianiy is the spirit of LAWLESSNESS
In the midst of a myriad of man's opinions of who God is and who Jesus is, there exists.... TRUTH!! Not based on man's opinion through his own understanding but based in God's revelation through the grace of Jesus Christ!! Thank you Bob for for your availability to be used by God to bear His revelation!! Thank you Lord Jesus!!
I would rather struggle for truth that god never showed me than settle for something untrue, or at the least, completely un-knowable until death. Critical analysis is how we learn that some things we used to believe are false; you owe every modern technological advancement that you enjoy today to critical analysis. As opposed to all the things god gives us... Huh... I can't think of anything. I guess, if believing in the system that actually generates results is "futile" to you, then yes, I am.
You can see what you want to see. Yes, critical analysis got us a world full of nukes. But, it's also gotten us cures for diseases, the ability to fly with the birds (both in planes and these awesome new body suits that act as wings), and the computer you use to reply to my comments. I don't know what you're getting at, because saying critical analysis is bad because people used it to make nukes is like me saying Jesus-based religion is evil because genocide has been done in his name.
And, now that I think about it, millions more people have died in the name of religion or inane ideology than people have been killed by nukes. And, what's more, technology doesn't pull its own trigger. The scientific method never tells people to kill others. It takes a man to do it, and history has shown that more wars are fought in the name of your god than any other. Go figure, huh? Maybe the danger is in the illogical emotional ideology of political and religious extremists, not science.
@Sojoboro The most danger has always been in the seeking of ultimate power and control. Number one are governments and rulers. Not seeking to obey and love God and love each other can lead and often does to destruction through pride.
And, just to set it straight, I do think you understand logic; I just think that your brain is ignoring it, twisting it, picking it apart, and justifying/reassuring yourself in your own opinion in order to protect a personal belief that you hold very dear. I did the same thing when I was a Christian, so understand that I can, on some levels, empathize with your reasoning, as I held your exact opinion in many debates just like this some time ago. I don't think you're stupid; just human.
I'll take that to mean that you don't have a case to present in response to me.
Find a place where the "smart" and "wise" atheists/agnostics meet and keep to myself, eh? It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. Somebody important to you said that.
It's a little late to say that you don't want to waste time on a debate, when you've already spent the last few days doing just that. Sounds like an excuse, but, all the same, I am sorry; I didn't realize critical analysis was "futile".
Simply put: If you have a case, present it. I assert that free will and a god with a plan cannot co-exist. So far, you've only said, "Regardless of God's foreknowledge of events we have freewill. The choice here and now is yours and only yours. If you believe otherwise then I don't know what to tell you."
Basically, you say "No, you're wrong", but you don't provide a logical reason for why that is so. You just say I have free will, and don't know what to tell me if I don't believe that.
Ah, well, if you've read books on this subject, then maybe you should present an argument pertaining to how I am wrong, instead of simply saying "No, you're wrong, we have free will" over and over. It's not arrogant to assume you're not thinking when all your arguments lack reasonable responses and fall back on what is essentially a "No, you!" argument.
If you must know my beliefs: I am agnostic; I believe in free will kept in check by our biology and social upbringing, not a god or a "plan".
Cause strife? That depends. I only want you to stop and think about what I'm saying. Whether or not that changes your beliefs, I want you to at least try to understand this logical impossibility among many logical impossibilities in the conventional Christian faith.
The name Jesus doesn't stir up as much hate as it stirs up nostalgia, because I myself was a Christian for 7 years. I thought I had a good relationship with god, and was giving it all up to him. I am quite familiar with the Bible.
And, I would like to think that god would give his creations a chance at obeying his command by giving them a knowledge of right and wrong. I mean, god set mankind up to fail. Not only did he create people with the command to obey him without giving people the skills of distinction necessary to discern obedience from disobedience, but he allowed the serpent to exploit the weakness he created us with.
No, I don't think god, if he exists, is nearly as incompetent as you make him out to be.
You ignore the logical contradiction between the two; if god KNOWS what decision we are going to make, then we can't choose the other option. What if god thought I would choose option A, but I chose option B? That wouldn't work, since god can't be wrong about anything. I have to choose option A. Knowledge of good and evil may give the ILLUSION of free will, but a god who has a plan simply cannot exist alongside our own free will.
The concepts of people having free will and god having a "plan" cannot co-exist. If you believe god has a plan for the universe, then you must believe that mankind sinned because god planned for it to happen. Nothing happens outside god's will. If god knows the future, then it's already decided. No choice we make will change it.
The fruit they ate was "the knowledge of good and evil". How would they know that following a commandment by god was the "good" thing to do until they ate that fruit?
How did they know it was a sin to touch the tree? The fruit that they ate was of the knowledge of good and evil! I mean, how can you expect two people to know that it is "good" to obey god and "evil" to listen to the serpent when they didn't know the difference between good and evil in the first place? According to your story, god held Adam and Eve accountable to a standard that he did not give them the ability to meet. Sounds a bit rigged to me, and not very loving and compassionate.
It's not the knowledge of good and evil here, It's obedience. They were disobedient to God! They were only to know good. That's why it was paradise they were in. Evil was not planned in paradise.
The problem is that people like Bob see law and grace as mutually exclusive. In reality, they are two sides of the same coin!
YourLocalRealist 1 month ago
Great video! There are many tares among the wheat! Gal 2:4 They have crept in unawares to spy out the liberty in Christ! Gal 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain. Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work. Do good out of love but real Love is to preach the true life saving gospel of Jesus Christ
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For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is thebringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
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For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is thebringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
-Hebrews 7:18-19
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I see that man tries to dissect law trying to separate it into moral, and levitical. In God's eyes, law is law! You can't bring it down so you can obey it! It was added because of transgression, it makes sin more sinful. What? Are you now made perfect by the works of the flesh? By going back under law, you do not submit to the Holy Spirit, or the gift of righteousness, and trample underfoot the Son of God. Knowing this, the law is not for the righteous, but for the lawless and insubordinate.
MrSpicydrumma 7 months ago
For those of you who think we still need both today (law mixed with grace) let me ask you two questions. If perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? Let me ask you also, oh man, did you receive the Holy Spirit by the keeping of the law, or by the hearing of faith?!
MrSpicydrumma 7 months ago
@MrSpicydrumma Yahshua (Jesus) is a High Priest of the good things to come. His kingdom is not of this world my brother. The change in the New Covenant is the change in the Levitical Priesthood, cause it does not atone for eternity. It is weak and useless in this way. Remember what Paul said, "do we make void the law through grace? God Forbid we establish the law." What did he mean by this? He meant establish the law.
jdb0905 7 months ago
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:14-16
allenwr3 8 months ago
I studied Romans and read about what Paul said about the law. I now hold the position that we should absolutely observe the law. Having said that, the law alone will not give you eternal life. Eternal life comes through faith in Christ. The law (instruction) gives us guidance on how to live our lives. Christ said in Matthew that He came not to destroy the law (instruction from God), but to fulfill it. Law was given through Moses and grace through Yahshua, Jesus, the Messiah. We need both.
jdb0905 9 months ago
@jdb0905 Read Galations and see if you still hold your position about absolutely observing the law. And perhaps listen again to the sermon in this video.
misterdude123 7 months ago
@misterdude123 My brother I have read it in it's entire context. It's important that people know that the definition of sin is trangression of the law. Therefore if we strive to not sin, we strive to keep the law of God. If we do break the law, which is what sin is, we have an advocate with the Father, and his name is Yahshua (Jesus). With the law comes the knowledge of sin because, once again, breaking the law is sin. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. The curse is breaking it...sin
jdb0905 7 months ago
@jdb0905 But when you say absolutely observe the law that means dietary, dress, and the ten commandments and that's just for starters. Tithing has a catch to it. You need a levitical priest to tithe which we don't have. Also unless your SDA, no one observes keeping the sabath holy. Paul taught the galations that if you observer part of the law you are obligated to observe all of it and if we absolutely observe the law we fall from grace and Christ is of no effect to us.
misterdude123 7 months ago
@misterdude123 You may be surprised to find out that I do follow kosher laws, keep the sabbath, wear the blue fringe, because my Father told me to with his torah. As far as the Levitical system, Christ did not do away with it so long as the earth stood. The temple was destroyed later after the death of Yahshua. It will be reestablished again. Study about this vow these 4 men made in Acts 21. Paul joined in their purification rights. It was a Nazerite vow. Go read about it. It can get very deep.
jdb0905 7 months ago
@misterdude123 I totally agree with you bro!Also Romans7:1-6
cornytoad 5 months ago
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“Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.” For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)
DopeCoozie2 1 year ago
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“Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.” For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)
DopeCoozie2 1 year ago
The word Torah means "teaching and instructions" it was mistranslated and they call it "law". Due to the lack of the knowledge of the Hebrew language this people mimic those whom they learn from in their seminaries. One are saved by the blood and trust in Yeshua is his real name(Jesus is his Greek name). After that then you receive the "grace" (another word misinterpreted) which is the priviledge and the power thru the Holy Spirit to follow the TorAH. No law? LAWLESS!! gehena.
brazilian777able 1 year ago
The word Torah means "teaching and instructions" it was mistranslated and they call it "law". Due to the lack of the knowledge of the Hebrew language this people mimic those whom they learn from in their seminaries. One are saved by the blood and trust in Yeshua is his real name(Jesus is his Greek name). After that then you receive the "grace" (another word misinterpreted) which is the priviledge and the power thru the Holy Spirit to follow the TorAH. No law? LAWLESS!! .
brazilian777able 1 year ago
So let me get this right I can go around sinning because Jesus died for me I mean there is no Law and Sin is the transgression of the Law but Jesus did away with that even though Duet 13 says thats a false prophet. Id love to discuss this with this so called Pastor
StarofDavid1978 1 year ago
@StarofDavid1978 You have to understand the difference between Old & New Covenant.............Check out Romans 7(all) Hebrews8 (all) Galatians5:18 & Galatians 2:19-21. I hope this helps!*
cornytoad 1 year ago
@cornytoad Sorry but it seems it is you who needs to learn the difference my friend Jer 31 says its the Torah written on my heart Ezek 36:26 says that its the Spirit of Yahweh dwelling in me causeing me to walk in the Torah Romans 8 says it gives me the ability to keep the righteous requirments of the Torah not say they are done away Modern Christianiy is the spirit of LAWLESSNESS
StarofDavid1978 1 year ago
In the midst of a myriad of man's opinions of who God is and who Jesus is, there exists.... TRUTH!! Not based on man's opinion through his own understanding but based in God's revelation through the grace of Jesus Christ!! Thank you Bob for for your availability to be used by God to bear His revelation!! Thank you Lord Jesus!!
savedbyHisLife 2 years ago
I would rather struggle for truth that god never showed me than settle for something untrue, or at the least, completely un-knowable until death. Critical analysis is how we learn that some things we used to believe are false; you owe every modern technological advancement that you enjoy today to critical analysis. As opposed to all the things god gives us... Huh... I can't think of anything. I guess, if believing in the system that actually generates results is "futile" to you, then yes, I am.
Sojoboro 2 years ago
Critical analysis? Where did that get us? A world full of nukes. That's where man's wisdom got us.
Christ is Lord.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight.- 1 Corinthians 3:19
melongasket 2 years ago
You can see what you want to see. Yes, critical analysis got us a world full of nukes. But, it's also gotten us cures for diseases, the ability to fly with the birds (both in planes and these awesome new body suits that act as wings), and the computer you use to reply to my comments. I don't know what you're getting at, because saying critical analysis is bad because people used it to make nukes is like me saying Jesus-based religion is evil because genocide has been done in his name.
Sojoboro 2 years ago
And, now that I think about it, millions more people have died in the name of religion or inane ideology than people have been killed by nukes. And, what's more, technology doesn't pull its own trigger. The scientific method never tells people to kill others. It takes a man to do it, and history has shown that more wars are fought in the name of your god than any other. Go figure, huh? Maybe the danger is in the illogical emotional ideology of political and religious extremists, not science.
Sojoboro 2 years ago
@Sojoboro The most danger has always been in the seeking of ultimate power and control. Number one are governments and rulers. Not seeking to obey and love God and love each other can lead and often does to destruction through pride.
Brucev7 1 year ago
And, just to set it straight, I do think you understand logic; I just think that your brain is ignoring it, twisting it, picking it apart, and justifying/reassuring yourself in your own opinion in order to protect a personal belief that you hold very dear. I did the same thing when I was a Christian, so understand that I can, on some levels, empathize with your reasoning, as I held your exact opinion in many debates just like this some time ago. I don't think you're stupid; just human.
Sojoboro 2 years ago
I'll take that to mean that you don't have a case to present in response to me.
Find a place where the "smart" and "wise" atheists/agnostics meet and keep to myself, eh? It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. Somebody important to you said that.
It's a little late to say that you don't want to waste time on a debate, when you've already spent the last few days doing just that. Sounds like an excuse, but, all the same, I am sorry; I didn't realize critical analysis was "futile".
Sojoboro 2 years ago
Simply put: If you have a case, present it. I assert that free will and a god with a plan cannot co-exist. So far, you've only said, "Regardless of God's foreknowledge of events we have freewill. The choice here and now is yours and only yours. If you believe otherwise then I don't know what to tell you."
Basically, you say "No, you're wrong", but you don't provide a logical reason for why that is so. You just say I have free will, and don't know what to tell me if I don't believe that.
Sojoboro 2 years ago
Ah, well, if you've read books on this subject, then maybe you should present an argument pertaining to how I am wrong, instead of simply saying "No, you're wrong, we have free will" over and over. It's not arrogant to assume you're not thinking when all your arguments lack reasonable responses and fall back on what is essentially a "No, you!" argument.
If you must know my beliefs: I am agnostic; I believe in free will kept in check by our biology and social upbringing, not a god or a "plan".
Sojoboro 2 years ago
Cause strife? That depends. I only want you to stop and think about what I'm saying. Whether or not that changes your beliefs, I want you to at least try to understand this logical impossibility among many logical impossibilities in the conventional Christian faith.
The name Jesus doesn't stir up as much hate as it stirs up nostalgia, because I myself was a Christian for 7 years. I thought I had a good relationship with god, and was giving it all up to him. I am quite familiar with the Bible.
Sojoboro 2 years ago
And, I would like to think that god would give his creations a chance at obeying his command by giving them a knowledge of right and wrong. I mean, god set mankind up to fail. Not only did he create people with the command to obey him without giving people the skills of distinction necessary to discern obedience from disobedience, but he allowed the serpent to exploit the weakness he created us with.
No, I don't think god, if he exists, is nearly as incompetent as you make him out to be.
Sojoboro 2 years ago
You ignore the logical contradiction between the two; if god KNOWS what decision we are going to make, then we can't choose the other option. What if god thought I would choose option A, but I chose option B? That wouldn't work, since god can't be wrong about anything. I have to choose option A. Knowledge of good and evil may give the ILLUSION of free will, but a god who has a plan simply cannot exist alongside our own free will.
Sojoboro 2 years ago
The concepts of people having free will and god having a "plan" cannot co-exist. If you believe god has a plan for the universe, then you must believe that mankind sinned because god planned for it to happen. Nothing happens outside god's will. If god knows the future, then it's already decided. No choice we make will change it.
The fruit they ate was "the knowledge of good and evil". How would they know that following a commandment by god was the "good" thing to do until they ate that fruit?
Sojoboro 2 years ago
Adam and Eve knew that they weren't allowed to touch the tree. It was to have trained them in obedience to God!
fanaber70 2 years ago
How did they know it was a sin to touch the tree? The fruit that they ate was of the knowledge of good and evil! I mean, how can you expect two people to know that it is "good" to obey god and "evil" to listen to the serpent when they didn't know the difference between good and evil in the first place? According to your story, god held Adam and Eve accountable to a standard that he did not give them the ability to meet. Sounds a bit rigged to me, and not very loving and compassionate.
Sojoboro 2 years ago
It's not the knowledge of good and evil here, It's obedience. They were disobedient to God! They were only to know good. That's why it was paradise they were in. Evil was not planned in paradise.
robbyveggett 2 years ago
Why would they obey god? Without knowing the difference between good and evil, how are they supposed to discern obedience to god as being right?
Sojoboro 2 years ago
This message has changed my life Why don't they ever put stuff like this on TBN?
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