Mind-body problem dualism & psychiatry 1/6

[TheKenfig]

....THEORY behind them is valid, namely that we ARE all complete (what we call) 'id' as babies.We could call it 'dag' or something but we do not yet have ego until were realise we're 'seperate' etc. I was conscious of having incorporated 'conscience' or superego when I was around eight years old, purely by having 'invisible' parents with me whom I didn't want to offend as I loved them and thought they would be sad if I stole the apple a wayward pal was encouraging me to steal from a stall

[jockmclaren47]

@TheKenfig We can give a better account of this phenomenon in a cognitive model than in the bizarre Freudian approach. All he could say was "it is so," whereas the biocognitive model shows how mind arises from body and the two are integrated.

[TheKenfig]

@jockmclaren47 What I'm saying is in spite of what he named those three mind development components and them sounding simplistic,they feel consistent with one's own experiences of personality development, e.g. 'guilt' or conscience,and the 'ego' s formation of being in touch with the 'reality principle' and forming of our own personal boundaries of what is us and seperate from us etc. I DO think the mind and body are integrated but also that emotional illness is often to do with psych. stressors

[TheKenfig]

Eric Berne in 'the mind in action' wrote that there is no such thing as psychosomatic medicine and non psychosomatic medicine ; all medicine is psychosomatic and emotions affect the body. That doesn't mean when people are told that symptoms are emotional, that they're merely imagining the symptoms, it means that their emotions maybe affecting their body

[TheKenfig]

Surely no physicians think that the mind merely controls the body and that the body and mind are not inextricably linked. A physician knows that the body is not only hugely influential on the mind and that it is the mind. The distinction between neurology and psychology is blurred.Chemical imbalance e.g. does not necessarily cause depression, even in what is described as 'endogenous' depression,as psychology unequivocally affects chemicals ; fear induces stress hormones & dopamine etc in a cycle

[jockmclaren47]

@TheKenfig Orthodox psychiatry holds that the direction of causation in mental disorder is from body to mind.

[TheKenfig]

@jockmclaren47 When you say 'orthodox' and body to mind, are you describing what you feel is 'most' psychiatry ?. Much of it accepts neuroses as primarily psychological and emotional illnesses as reactions to stressors doesn't it ? ; it surely doesn't hold that all mental illness is a reaction to having e.g. gallstones etc ? or am I misinterpreting what you're getting at ?

[jockmclaren47]

@TheKenfig Mainstream psychiatry believes that all mental disorder is a primary disturbance of brain function. In fact, the sad truth is that they don't actually know what they believe as they have never worked it out properly. I have spent a lot of time on this sort of question in my books, you might find them more helpful than these videos.

[TheKenfig]

@jockmclaren47 Well as I alluded to, I would not have expected that as so much, just as Freud wrote about was about neuroticism. The great book I once read by the late American Psychiatrist Eric Berne, called 'The Mind In Action' published I think in 1970, was full of Freud stuff of which he was an advocate, explaining thoroughly and extensively about Id tensions and the problems they cause, kinds of neuroses, the psychoses (total withdrawal of the Ego), the Unconscious etc.

[jockmclaren47]

@TheKenfig Sure, but the whole of psychoanalysis was fanciful. Clinical material and insights derived from daily practice were very helpful but the theory was nonsense. The mind does not operate by hydrodynamic principles, which was the standard of science when Freud first moved into the area. However, I expect that we will never stop talking about the id and defenses, just because they are such clear analogies of the real complexity (about which analysts knew nothing, as it didn't exist)

[TheKenfig]

@jockmclaren47 However, 'defence mechanisms' which have to be called something, which might be 'plastic teapots', are not only recognised but we all have inner awareness of our own, to a varying degree e.g. we project and rationalise etc, I know I have done although not seriously. It is a bit unfair to the labels of 'id', 'ego' and 'superego' because accordingly critics of psychoanalysis can be sceptical of the 'label names', but I realise that in spite of the names we call them, that the....

[ImagineWpg]

The mind is a strong tool.

[jockmclaren47]

@BarakianArt Total agreement. The reductionist biological model psychiatry has adopted (without explicating it) is dehumanizing in the extreme. People are just biological preparations in this schema.

[dvarblo]

I am guessing with the lack of comments...you filter what you want to hear?

[jockmclaren47]

@dvarblo No. 

[dvarblo]

@jockmclaren47 my bad!

[jockmclaren47]

@dvarblo What? 

[dvarblo]

@jockmclaren47 'my bad'= my mistake, sorry. lol (laughing out loud).

[lostinthelandoflies]

Thanks for these vids of yours. I think what you are saying is equivalent to the mind is software... the brain is hardware. Therefore we cannot solve software bugs by a detailed examination of hardware. I also agree with your DSM5 vids... but I am familiar with Szasz...

[zoticus1]

Lack of center is the cause of all of sentient life's ills.

simple,plain

[jockmclaren47]

@TheAdultChild101 I wouldn't put you on drugs. That's your opinion, you stick with it. The difference is that, while you believe orthodox psychiatry is a pseudo-science, I have proven that it is. You should read my books, I think you would find them interesting. At the very least, they would give you powerful arguments to use that institutional psychiatry can't refute. And money? No, I don't get much.

[Alf90100]

@jockmclaren47 Really? Because this video seems to contradict that, or are you just product merchandising? Haha, gimme a break.

[jockmclaren47]

Panpsychism is not an explanation of mental life. It avails us naught to say that a human mental life is composed of lots of little bits of mental life stuck to the molecules and atoms and subatomic particles of our brains. It is the organisation and activity of the brains that creates mentality. Rocks are not conscious because their crystals do nothing. Jellyfish are not conscious because they don't have the computing power to set up a simulacrum of the world in their skins.

[eatingeatingeating]

What is your opinion of modern pan-psychic approach to consciousness?