@ThereAreNoUnionThugs "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man (etc.)," but this is not impossible. That is the role of the miraculous, and grace. That may seem like a glib assertion, but thus God acts. As for the "teachings of Christ," they depend on which Gospel one reads. John, for example, never discusses the poor as Luke does.
McCarthyist trash... only this is aimed at justifying the murder of innocent catholics also, including priests and nuns, .....really bad twisted production here, with lots of money backing it... cant believe how stupid, vile and evil this video really is... and trendy with many "americans"...
Oscar Romero is currently being cannonized by the catholic church, he was a key figure in liberation theology who was brutally assasinated along with a number of priests by U.S. funded/trained thugs. This video is pure propaganda, aimed at eradicating the message of Christ.
Study distributism.This is the Biblcal model.Moral,efficient,and ethical.Study "Distributism".This video is very simplistic,and does not show the history of how capitalism and how it has killed millions and or contributed to it.
Liberation Theology is responsible for the freeing of thousands of people in east timor and latin america. That is godly. You bloody right wing bastards lacking compassion. Fuck everyone who thinks that christian dont have a responsibility to the poor through politics.
Didnt jesus say that "blessed are the poor for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"? yeah, cunts, thats right.
@heloisemillikan - that is one of the most un-Christian comments I've ever read. If you want to make a case for Liberation Theology, you're going to have to remove the bad language and hate from your comments. Then, you you will have to find an artful way to defend 100 Million deaths caused by Communism last century. And, the death and oppression continues until this day...
@SheilaBremer , isnt you idea of christian pretty narrow? Christians dont swear? dont get passionate about theology which is all for the advancement of the poor and oppressed? i think it was archbishop Oscar Romero himself which said that liberation theo "has only a polite relationship with Marxism" and other political movements. you cannot say that lib theo alone is about on particular political idea such as communism. anyway, you're face probably looks like poo, so i dont care anyway. ha ha.
What is wrong with Marxism? If people believe in that system respect their believes and if not also respect their beliefs. respect thy peer and heaven shall be near
@computerpurple Because you don't know shit about what those animals in death squads did to people down there-and that the neocons who lead us into war in Iraq (2x) and Afghanistan cut their teeth down there.
@RPenta You must suffer from schizophrenia or multiple personality , because you don't make sense to me. You have jump into a whole new subject than that of what this video is about. My comment have been about this video and the subject of pushing "Liberation Theology" / marxism. You now bring up the Iraq and Afghanistan war.????.
@RPenta Hey dude don't understand your negative attitude towards me. I don't support marxism no matter how it's dressed up to appeal all warm and fuzzy.
@computerpurple It's sick and creepy how these looney Luciferian lefties invade like parasites and take over every institution, every religion, every political party, and every government. They're taking over America and the world. These freaking socialist Democrats are Satanist KKK Nazis.
jesus said it is as easy for a rich man to reach heaven as for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. how much more of a marxist could he be. the catholic church just perverted his teachings to serve the rich oppressors . jesus was the oppressed proletariat
@tennantesque agree, i think jesus christ was the first communist agitator in human history, thats why the jews, the rabbis saw him as a real danger for their power and system and decide to punish him and kill him. i think thats one reason why jews are hated everywhere.
I just came up with a game we can all play that will actually make this video watchable. It's something like "Where's Waldo" or "I Spy". Somewhere in these 4 minutes and 14 seconds there is a picture of Karl Marx as a dominatrix. See if you can spot him.
This video does not even attempt to tackle or go after any argument put forth by Liberation Theology. They instead try to characterize it in a very unsophisticated light to make it look bad.
It reminds me of atheist who simply characterize Christians as "people who believe in an invisible man in the sky."
This video is nothing more than a group that cannot refute the points of Liberation Theology and settle on demeaning it by misshaping history and point of view.
Cal, Liberation theology is a movement of quislings and traitors. When the Communists came and took over, they happily assisted them in their atrocities, in exchange for more power. They sold out, and they threw lives away.
There has undoubtedly been horrific things that have come in the name of social movements good and bad. Capitalism has taken many more lives in different countries protecting national and individual self interest. And that is what capitalism is at it's core; it is based off of self interest and not at all the message of the Bible. Self interest is the antithesis of the message of the Bible.
The problem with the atrocities in the name of communism is that it was done without love.
When communism produces one iota of justice, anywhere, tell me about it.
It has failed. It has truly, and totally, failed. It has killed more people than Nazism. It is a bad idea, and it does nothing but throw away innocent lives so the Politburo can get richer.
Has anyone who has posted so far read any books on liberation theology by liberation theologians? In fact, has anyone in this video read any Liberation Theologian's works? The views of the people in this video are views of people who have a very limited knowledge of Liberation Theology. Theological salvation is assumed in Liberation Theology, not replaced. The militaristic images in much of this video are irresponsible and innappopriate-many Liberation Theologians are and were pacifists.
What I'm saying here is that Yeshua's teachings were extremely revolutionary both socially and spiritually. Christians who believe Yeshua stood for the oppressed do not forget his actual role of the Messiah and Saviour of humanity. It's only in the US where Christianity is associated with the right and reactionary politics but in South America, Europe, Africa, and Asia Christianity is seen as both liberation in social and economic realms and also in spirtual realms through the Son of God.
Market, these believers in "liberation theology" are lost souls. Yeshua did not teach "dialectical materialism". Yeshua taught many spiritual things which have a social impact and he taught that we should love and provide for the poor brethren but he did not go into politics. The church is seperate from politics.
Christians are taught to respect their status in life not to rebel against authority and wealth. True Christians trust in God to provide (not the state or other individuals). Liberation theology is openly marxist and advocates class warfare.
The early church (as depicted in the Book of Acts) practiced a form of VOLUNTARY communalism but in no way advocated a COERCIVE type of armed revolution or a coercive form of forced wealth distribution to be administered by a state or revolutionary group.
It should be interesting to note that "liberation theology" and its twin brother "social justice" find their origins in the heart of wretched jesuitism. The "Society of Jesus" is historically notorious for perverting the teachings of the Gospel. The whole reason the members of the Society of Jesus were first called "jesuits" by their opponents was because they were misappropriating the name of Jesus. That is exactly what they are doing today by mixing Christianity with dialetical materialism.
Just look at the application of the jesuits "liberation theology" in South America. The jesuit priests themselves have been implicated in fomenting leftist revolution and armed strife in the South American countries. It has caused much bloodshed and the people are more worse off now than before. And of course the Jesuits have spread their marxist/christian abomination to the protestant churches in America and Europe through their friends and allies within "protestantism".
These black American churches jumping on the liberation theology and social justice bandwagon are displaying nothing short of full blown COVETOUSNESS. If you want people who are living finanically secure to give what they have to the more needy then work towards the only true commission of the Church... which is to PREACH THEM THE GOSPEL. Do not try to coerce people out of their possessions and wealth through social programs. That would be just plain un-Christian AND un-American.
@Mackerelman Wrong, social justice theory is the bread and butter of liberation theology. Social justice is a communist ideology advocating forced egalitarian and "equality". The same people who created Liberation Theology created the idea of "social justice" in the modern sense, I am speaking of the Jesuits. The term and modern concept of "social justice" was created in 1840 by the Jesuit Luigi Taparelli, it is all tied into catholic social teaching.
@Mackerelman The jesuits are the authors of authoritarianism, they take advantage of idealism and fear to create their socialist empires (whether "right wing" or "left wing").
@Mackerelman The "Holy" Roman Emperors were servants of the papacy. It is the cross and the crown that rules. It is the master of both communism and fascism fascilited by its banking hofjuden [court jews]. The later Holy Roman Emperors were known tools of the jesuits. The jesuits ARE the Counter-Reformation, their goal is to destroy the reforms of the Reformation and this includes the rise of the middle class. Class warfare is a means to this end. The papacy is just the Roman Empire revived.
You imbecile. I wasn't talking about the Holy Roman Empire, I was talking about the ROMAN Empire. The dudes who took the gladius and used it to conquer the world. St. Paul was a citizen of it. Familiar?
@Mackerelman Yeah, the jesuits are the representatives of the Roman Empire, they are the priest class. The Roman Empire has never went away. Even today the catholic church is in charge of more military orders and monarchies then you can could possibly name here.
Just so we're clear, you actually believe that the Catholic Church has been secretly preserving the Roman Empire through an order that did not exist when the empire fell, and still controls the world from the shadows using now powerless monarchies and military orders?
@Mackerelman Listen kid, it is no marvel that the papacy is merely the continuation of the Roman Empire, the papists even believe that the Roman Emperor gave his secular power to the popes via the forged "Donation of Constantine", the pope would later reliquish some of this power to his servants Pepin and Charlemange thus creating the "Holy Roman Empire". I think you need a serious history lesson.
@Mackerelman The various monarchies still have much wealth and the papal and british military orders are far from "powerless". If only you knew how many individuals in key military and political positions were papal or british knights you would contract that statement. Oh, you are apparently one of those guys who thinks that the only criticism of the power of the papacy throughout history comes from jack chick comics. I could direct you to dozens and dozens of books by prestigious authors.
@Mackerelman There are many books and works I could suggest to you if you are interested. So many that I do not even know where to start. Just let me know if you are interested and I will send you a private e-mail with a whole list of literature. You do of course know that the Jesuits are the admitted masters and creators of liberation theology, and behind every South American marxist regime there was a jesuit.
@Mackerelman Are you a catholic? You appear to be very defensive of the papacy and vatican. Once again, there are too many works to even list here, I would just flood this video. But I will send you a decent list via private exchange if you are interested.
@Mackerelman And who founded the CIA? Was it a Knight of Malta?? Certainly was. Of course the current head of the CIA is a favorite of the Jesuits at Santa Clara University and is in all liklihood a Knight of Malta himself. If you think these military orders and honors are merely ceremonial then you are kidding yourself. Of course the world-wide "occult theocrasy" and secret societies are big into pomp ceremony, the priests are the masters of ceremony and ritual.
@Mackerelman Well actually Alan Dulles was a Knight of Malta, this is a proven fact. His nephew also became the powerful Jesuit priest Avery Dulles, I have a picture of the current pope kneeling and kissing his ring in New York.
@Mackerelman But Dulles isnt who I am talking about, I was speaking of Willam "Wild Bill" Donovan who was the founder of the OSS (which later became the CIA). Bill Donovan is known as the "Father of American Intelligence" and the "Father of Central Intelligence". He was also a papal Knight of Malta, I have pictures of him with his masters at the vatican. He was also a reciever of the super elite "Pontifical Equestrian Order of St. Sylvester Pope".
@Mackerelman There is a great wealth of information regarding Blackwater (Xe) and the Knights of Malta, do I really have to hold your hand through the whole process? Are you really that scared to do or incapable of doing the research on your own? A simply google search would suffice. As I said, I believe I have a mainstream newstory regarding this subject linked in my profile, check it out, its a start. Donovan was also a Knight of Malta this is a fact.
No, I want you to link it, here, for all to see, so that when you link some ridiculous rumor mill written by a mental patient, EVERYONE can share in the laugh.
Lastly, social justice does not translate into socialism. Social justice is a more deontological idea, while socialism says all private property is inherently evil.
@Mackerelman Social justice is the foolish idealism which the socialists take advantage of. Not all socialism views private property as inherently evil, there is right wing socialism for example, but of course the abolition of private property is one of the primary tenents of marxism. Private property does not jive well with "social justice" because the leftists do not think it is very "socially just" that any man should have more property or capital then another.
Just so we're clear, you actually believe that the Catholic Church has been secretly preserving the Roman Empire through an order that did not exist when the empire fell, and still controls the world from the shadows using now powerless monarchies and military orders?
Just so we're clear, you actually believe that the Catholic Church has been secretly preserving the Roman Empire through an order that did not exist when the empire fell, and still controls the world from the shadows using now powerless monarchies and military orders?
@Mackerelman You need to understand that in reality there are truely only two political systems, there is the true conservatism of the Anglos as represented by Edmund Burke [also know as libertarianism or "classical liberalism], then there is the oppressive reactionary "conservatism" of the jesuit Joseph de Maistre who advocated authoritarianism for the sake of authoritarianism.
@Mackerelman Your aggressive abusive attitude makes intelligent debate impossible. I think you have even lost sight of what we were arguing about. But I will tell you most assuredly that "social justice" is just a communist by-word.
No, I have not lost sight of it. You are trying to claim that social justice is a keyword for socialism, and that the Catholic Church rules the world. You are wrong.
@Mackerelman Every mainstream source (even the papists at Fox news) admitt that "social justice" is just a keyword for socialism. You cannot have forced wealth distribution without socialism, it is an anti-capitalist ideology.
Fox News is a Conservative news site. Of COURSE they say social justice is evil.
The Monarchies have no real power. Also, Pepin was the Mayor of the Palace, not the Holy Roman Emperor. You're a moron, and sorely lacking in knowledge of history. I am aware that the Papacy has done horrible things in the past. However, they do not rule the world right now. Now, if you want to give me proof that the Vatican has some sort of super duper special forces teams on call, please do so.
@Mackerelman Pepin acquiesced much of his secular power from the pope but it was his son Charlemange who was first to take the title "Holy Roman Emperor". I know what I am talking about and my point stands on merit. Several politicans have come out and said that the vatican has a secret intelligence service which would make Israel blush. The inquisition (the first international spy gestapo) is still around, many in the intelligence services (particularly the CIA) are Knights of Malta.
Pepin got his power by manuevering. His line kept power by being hardasses of the first order(Charles Martel). Now, which politicians have stated this? Which idiots need to be voted out?
The Knights of Malta still exist. They do charity work now. Stabbing people got old.
@Mackerelman Trust me, they still take pleasure in stabbing people. Many militaries are currently being used a crusaders, the murderous mercenary group formerly known as Blackwater (now Ze) is full of Knights of Malta and others who consider themselves the modern Templar. Even mainstream sources such as CNN have reported on this.
@Mackerelman Xe is most certainly run by the Knights of Malta. This is even admitted too. I believe I have a news story related to this in my profile if you are interested.
Though, you did get one thing right. Donovan was a recipient of the Order of St. Sylvester. However, this does not prove that the CIA is run by the Hospitallers.
@Mackerelman So ignorant. There are many factions of the Knights of Malta, the ones that go by "Hospitaller" generally are involved with hospitals but that is not all the Knights are involved in.
The Hospitallers are the Maltans. The Hospitallers was what they first called themselves. After they kicked serious Turkish ass at Malta, they decided it had been so much fun, they'd call themselves the Knights of Malta.
@Mackerelman WRONG, many Knights of Malta have NOTHING to do with hospitals or healthcare. The Knights of Malta carry different maltese cross, the ones with the red cross are generally engaged in warfare, the ones with the green maltese crosses, such as the "Military and Hospitaller Order of Saint Lazarus of Jerusalem" are engaged in health and environmental pursuits (such as buying up the largest watersheds in the world and poisioing the population through "medication").
@Mackerelman Oh yeah, and I bet Opus Dei are just a bunch of "pretty boys" as well. Knights of Malta such as Gen. Alexander Haig, Franz von Papen, Juan Peron, Kim Philby, Augusto Pinochet, John J. Raskob, General Vernon A. Walters, Kurt Waldheim, Henry Luce, Joseph Kennedy, King Juan Carlos, Frank Charles Carlucci III, William F. Buckley, Pat Buchanan, Geoffrey T. Boisi, James Jesus Angelton, William Casey are just a bunch of "pretty boys" doing medical work. HA!
@Mackerelman Fox news is very leftist in my estimation. Rupert Murdoch pretends to be a "libertarian" yet Fox seems to favor the quasi-leftist socialist ex-marxist neo-conservatives. The papist Knight of Malta, Skull and Bones member and friend of Fox network, William Buckley was the one responsible for destroying any influence the John Birch Society had over the right.
@Mackerelman If he wasn't a leftist then he would not favor the mainstream neo-conservatives over true libertarian Christians. It is a known fact that Murdoch has almost complete control over Fox holdings yet just look at the programs Fox network puts out, communist filth it is. Do you have any proof that the Knights of Malta ceased to be a powerful military order?? They still make up the elite of Europe, how is that not power???
@Mackerelman I said libertarian Christians. In the U.S. many of the more "fundamentalist" Christians are distrustful of big government and fall into the right wing of the libertarian camp. This is in tune with the Christian baptist and presbyterian founders of this nation who distrusted centralization in both church and government. Don't play stupid, you should know what I am talkin about.
@Mackerelman Our only duty is to spread the Gospel and to be generous towards our brethren, it is not our duty to force morality through government (socialism), government should be a reflection of a moral society, not an enforcer trying to create a moral (utopian) society. Libertarianism is simply action on a local level as opposed to centralization in federal government, how is that at all opposed to the teachings of Christianity? It was world empire (Rome) which persecuted.
@Mackerelman WRONG AGAIN, libertarians simply believe in individual as opposed to collective duty. Libertarians are very dutiful, especially in our pursuit to curb the influence of totalitarian government.
@Mackerelman Christians only have an individual duty, we may have a collective duty within the Body of Christ but we have no collective duty to serve the state. Give unto Caesar that which is Caesars and give unto God that which is his, I do not belong to Caesar or any worldly power, I belong to the Most High.
@Mackerelman "Deontological", what did you learn a new word and you thought that if you used it half a dozen times in our correspondences that you would sound smart? Christians do follow deontological ethics, that is merely to say that our moral obligations arise from God's commands, not from commands of a state or community.
@Mackerelman How is deontological ethics at all opposed to political libertarianism? The great libertarian thinkers such as, my favorite, Murray Rothbard upheld and elaborated the basic moral axioms of deontological ethics such as the non-aggression principle. I wonder if you even have a clue what you are talking about. Our government is not totalitarian?? Thats a laugh. I see that you are no great lover of political liberty.
Just like how christianity has been turned into hegemony for justifying the existence of the state ( whose existence is only possible with murder, theft, lying, etc.) Christianity has also been turned into hegemony justifying the existence of oppresive economic constructs such as consumerism, the management and wage system etc. even though the teachings of Yeshua are clearly opposed to the love of material things and the domination of people by other people.
These videos fail to recognize that class struggle and oppression is a reality and that the love of money, greed, avarice, and the serving of mammon is the chief cause. Like I said in an earlier comment these videos just show a functionalist view of society and present as 'the christian worldview'. These videos don't understand that the status quo of society is merely one built on the domination of the oppresed masses that the oppresors attempt to justify with cultural ideas called hegemony.
Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels both hated religion. I find it hilarious that Christians took an atheist based social system and added religion to it.
kjb86 4 weeks ago
"Blessed are the poor, for the kingdom of heaven is theirs"
"Woe onto the rick, for they have received their consolation"
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the head of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven"
"He who wants to be first shall be last"
If you actually focus on the teachings of Jesus Christ it seems socialist.
this propaganda was produced because the Church is threatened by priest simply saving the bodies of the poor rather than indoctrinating them.
ThereAreNoUnionThugs 1 month ago
@ThereAreNoUnionThugs "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man (etc.)," but this is not impossible. That is the role of the miraculous, and grace. That may seem like a glib assertion, but thus God acts. As for the "teachings of Christ," they depend on which Gospel one reads. John, for example, never discusses the poor as Luke does.
andrjsh 3 weeks ago
McCarthyist trash... only this is aimed at justifying the murder of innocent catholics also, including priests and nuns, .....really bad twisted production here, with lots of money backing it... cant believe how stupid, vile and evil this video really is... and trendy with many "americans"...
finalnexus 1 month ago
Oscar Romero is currently being cannonized by the catholic church, he was a key figure in liberation theology who was brutally assasinated along with a number of priests by U.S. funded/trained thugs. This video is pure propaganda, aimed at eradicating the message of Christ.
jtwolgamott 2 months ago 3
Study distributism.This is the Biblcal model.Moral,efficient,and ethical.Study "Distributism".This video is very simplistic,and does not show the history of how capitalism and how it has killed millions and or contributed to it.
777bal 2 months ago
Liberation Theology is responsible for the freeing of thousands of people in east timor and latin america. That is godly. You bloody right wing bastards lacking compassion. Fuck everyone who thinks that christian dont have a responsibility to the poor through politics.
Didnt jesus say that "blessed are the poor for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"? yeah, cunts, thats right.
heloisemillikan 4 months ago
@heloisemillikan - that is one of the most un-Christian comments I've ever read. If you want to make a case for Liberation Theology, you're going to have to remove the bad language and hate from your comments. Then, you you will have to find an artful way to defend 100 Million deaths caused by Communism last century. And, the death and oppression continues until this day...
SheilaBremer 4 months ago
@SheilaBremer , isnt you idea of christian pretty narrow? Christians dont swear? dont get passionate about theology which is all for the advancement of the poor and oppressed? i think it was archbishop Oscar Romero himself which said that liberation theo "has only a polite relationship with Marxism" and other political movements. you cannot say that lib theo alone is about on particular political idea such as communism. anyway, you're face probably looks like poo, so i dont care anyway. ha ha.
heloisemillikan 4 months ago
@SheilaBremer Try to defend the untold millions killed by christians and thier regimes-
Salment 2 months ago
What is wrong with Marxism? If people believe in that system respect their believes and if not also respect their beliefs. respect thy peer and heaven shall be near
tenochtitlan51582 5 months ago
Blessed are the poor, for yours is the Kingdom of God. (Luke 6:20) But woe to you that are rich, for you have received your consolation. (Luke 6:24)
gigglemanification 6 months ago
lib-WHORE-ration Theology.
computerpurple 6 months ago
@computerpurple They're blundering Babylonians for sure!
sickofcommies 6 months ago
@sickofcommies Who ever came up with "Liberation Theology" must have been laughing all the while putting this together. Laughing insanely.
computerpurple 6 months ago
@computerpurple Because you don't know shit about what those animals in death squads did to people down there-and that the neocons who lead us into war in Iraq (2x) and Afghanistan cut their teeth down there.
RPenta 4 months ago
@RPenta You must suffer from schizophrenia or multiple personality , because you don't make sense to me. You have jump into a whole new subject than that of what this video is about. My comment have been about this video and the subject of pushing "Liberation Theology" / marxism. You now bring up the Iraq and Afghanistan war.????.
computerpurple 4 months ago
@computerpurple Listen to some of the speeches of Archbishop Oscar Romero, you stupid tool, before you make a bigger ASS out of yourself.
RPenta 4 months ago
@RPenta Hey dude don't understand your negative attitude towards me. I don't support marxism no matter how it's dressed up to appeal all warm and fuzzy.
computerpurple 4 months ago
Democrats and liberals/progressives(socialists) are the KKK. PERIOD.
sickofcommies 6 months ago
@sickofcommies One thing for sure they ain't no SAINTS .
computerpurple 6 months ago
@computerpurple It's sick and creepy how these looney Luciferian lefties invade like parasites and take over every institution, every religion, every political party, and every government. They're taking over America and the world. These freaking socialist Democrats are Satanist KKK Nazis.
sickofcommies 6 months ago
Hitler = BIG GOVERNMENT (watch any Nazi rally and see for yourself).
sickofcommies 6 months ago
Helping the government grow into THE BEAST system = status quo!
sickofcommies 6 months ago
Socialism is the greediest ideology ever. It only helps the state(Caeser).
sickofcommies 6 months ago
Socialism is greed and envy and theft and racism and Karl Marx was also a Satanist.
PERIOD.
sickofcommies 6 months ago
jesus said it is as easy for a rich man to reach heaven as for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. how much more of a marxist could he be. the catholic church just perverted his teachings to serve the rich oppressors . jesus was the oppressed proletariat
hugz04drugz0 9 months ago
So Jesus came to save the rich?
hakil37 10 months ago
I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT SOCIALISM WAS ALIVE IN THE EARLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH WAY BEFORE MARXISM.
CHRIST WHIPPED THE MONEY-CHANGERS FROM THE TEMPLE.
'IT IS FAR EASIER FOR A CAMEL TO PASS THROUGH THE EYE OF A NEEDLE THAN FOR A RICH MAN TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.'
tennantesque 10 months ago
@tennantesque agree, i think jesus christ was the first communist agitator in human history, thats why the jews, the rabbis saw him as a real danger for their power and system and decide to punish him and kill him. i think thats one reason why jews are hated everywhere.
loslorie 10 months ago
I just came up with a game we can all play that will actually make this video watchable. It's something like "Where's Waldo" or "I Spy". Somewhere in these 4 minutes and 14 seconds there is a picture of Karl Marx as a dominatrix. See if you can spot him.
KayBeeEee1983 11 months ago
So, are you actually going to offer proof of your idiotic accusations?
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman The proof is in the pudding my friend.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
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This video does not even attempt to tackle or go after any argument put forth by Liberation Theology. They instead try to characterize it in a very unsophisticated light to make it look bad.
It reminds me of atheist who simply characterize Christians as "people who believe in an invisible man in the sky."
This video is nothing more than a group that cannot refute the points of Liberation Theology and settle on demeaning it by misshaping history and point of view.
God Bless
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Cal, Liberation theology is a movement of quislings and traitors. When the Communists came and took over, they happily assisted them in their atrocities, in exchange for more power. They sold out, and they threw lives away.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman
There has undoubtedly been horrific things that have come in the name of social movements good and bad. Capitalism has taken many more lives in different countries protecting national and individual self interest. And that is what capitalism is at it's core; it is based off of self interest and not at all the message of the Bible. Self interest is the antithesis of the message of the Bible.
The problem with the atrocities in the name of communism is that it was done without love.
CalConrad 1 year ago 4
@CalConrad
When communism produces one iota of justice, anywhere, tell me about it.
It has failed. It has truly, and totally, failed. It has killed more people than Nazism. It is a bad idea, and it does nothing but throw away innocent lives so the Politburo can get richer.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman And the same leftist theocratic Satanic weirdos are behind it. Hitler was also a Satanist.
sickofcommies 6 months ago
If the practitioners of liberation theology had actually cared about justice, they'd have resisted the Communists. They did not. People died.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@CalConrad OK then enlighten us with a coherent refutation
CaptainShays 1 year ago
@CalConrad Agreed.
michaelgj23 11 months ago
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This is THE WORST !!! THE WORST !!!! understanding on Liberation theology !!!
rowanrox 1 year ago 11
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Has anyone who has posted so far read any books on liberation theology by liberation theologians? In fact, has anyone in this video read any Liberation Theologian's works? The views of the people in this video are views of people who have a very limited knowledge of Liberation Theology. Theological salvation is assumed in Liberation Theology, not replaced. The militaristic images in much of this video are irresponsible and innappopriate-many Liberation Theologians are and were pacifists.
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commiechrist 1 year ago
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This is a joke. A caricature, of course. What else could be expected from status-quo hacks.
lladmirall 1 year ago
What I'm saying here is that Yeshua's teachings were extremely revolutionary both socially and spiritually. Christians who believe Yeshua stood for the oppressed do not forget his actual role of the Messiah and Saviour of humanity. It's only in the US where Christianity is associated with the right and reactionary politics but in South America, Europe, Africa, and Asia Christianity is seen as both liberation in social and economic realms and also in spirtual realms through the Son of God.
marketofideas 2 years ago
Market, these believers in "liberation theology" are lost souls. Yeshua did not teach "dialectical materialism". Yeshua taught many spiritual things which have a social impact and he taught that we should love and provide for the poor brethren but he did not go into politics. The church is seperate from politics.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
Christians are taught to respect their status in life not to rebel against authority and wealth. True Christians trust in God to provide (not the state or other individuals). Liberation theology is openly marxist and advocates class warfare.
The early church (as depicted in the Book of Acts) practiced a form of VOLUNTARY communalism but in no way advocated a COERCIVE type of armed revolution or a coercive form of forced wealth distribution to be administered by a state or revolutionary group.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
It should be interesting to note that "liberation theology" and its twin brother "social justice" find their origins in the heart of wretched jesuitism. The "Society of Jesus" is historically notorious for perverting the teachings of the Gospel. The whole reason the members of the Society of Jesus were first called "jesuits" by their opponents was because they were misappropriating the name of Jesus. That is exactly what they are doing today by mixing Christianity with dialetical materialism.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
Just look at the application of the jesuits "liberation theology" in South America. The jesuit priests themselves have been implicated in fomenting leftist revolution and armed strife in the South American countries. It has caused much bloodshed and the people are more worse off now than before. And of course the Jesuits have spread their marxist/christian abomination to the protestant churches in America and Europe through their friends and allies within "protestantism".
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
These black American churches jumping on the liberation theology and social justice bandwagon are displaying nothing short of full blown COVETOUSNESS. If you want people who are living finanically secure to give what they have to the more needy then work towards the only true commission of the Church... which is to PREACH THEM THE GOSPEL. Do not try to coerce people out of their possessions and wealth through social programs. That would be just plain un-Christian AND un-American.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Um, social justice is a legitimate theory.
Selling out to mass murderers, like liberation theology does, is what's wrong.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Wrong, social justice theory is the bread and butter of liberation theology. Social justice is a communist ideology advocating forced egalitarian and "equality". The same people who created Liberation Theology created the idea of "social justice" in the modern sense, I am speaking of the Jesuits. The term and modern concept of "social justice" was created in 1840 by the Jesuit Luigi Taparelli, it is all tied into catholic social teaching.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Social justice is not a communist theory. Not at all.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman The jesuits are the authors of authoritarianism, they take advantage of idealism and fear to create their socialist empires (whether "right wing" or "left wing").
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Authoritarianism has been around long before the Jesuits existed.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Here's a hint. The Roman Emperors? Not Jesuits.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman The "Holy" Roman Emperors were servants of the papacy. It is the cross and the crown that rules. It is the master of both communism and fascism fascilited by its banking hofjuden [court jews]. The later Holy Roman Emperors were known tools of the jesuits. The jesuits ARE the Counter-Reformation, their goal is to destroy the reforms of the Reformation and this includes the rise of the middle class. Class warfare is a means to this end. The papacy is just the Roman Empire revived.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
You imbecile. I wasn't talking about the Holy Roman Empire, I was talking about the ROMAN Empire. The dudes who took the gladius and used it to conquer the world. St. Paul was a citizen of it. Familiar?
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Yeah, the jesuits are the representatives of the Roman Empire, they are the priest class. The Roman Empire has never went away. Even today the catholic church is in charge of more military orders and monarchies then you can could possibly name here.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Just so we're clear, you actually believe that the Catholic Church has been secretly preserving the Roman Empire through an order that did not exist when the empire fell, and still controls the world from the shadows using now powerless monarchies and military orders?
Are you mad? Or Jack Chick?
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Listen kid, it is no marvel that the papacy is merely the continuation of the Roman Empire, the papists even believe that the Roman Emperor gave his secular power to the popes via the forged "Donation of Constantine", the pope would later reliquish some of this power to his servants Pepin and Charlemange thus creating the "Holy Roman Empire". I think you need a serious history lesson.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@Mackerelman The various monarchies still have much wealth and the papal and british military orders are far from "powerless". If only you knew how many individuals in key military and political positions were papal or british knights you would contract that statement. Oh, you are apparently one of those guys who thinks that the only criticism of the power of the papacy throughout history comes from jack chick comics. I could direct you to dozens and dozens of books by prestigious authors.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Now, do you have proof of your claims that the Catholic Church has any real power? Any real control over the world's militaries?
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman There are many books and works I could suggest to you if you are interested. So many that I do not even know where to start. Just let me know if you are interested and I will send you a private e-mail with a whole list of literature. You do of course know that the Jesuits are the admitted masters and creators of liberation theology, and behind every South American marxist regime there was a jesuit.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
So, basically, you have nothing, you just really, really want there to be a conspiracy. Link some of these sources here, for all to see.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Are you a catholic? You appear to be very defensive of the papacy and vatican. Once again, there are too many works to even list here, I would just flood this video. But I will send you a decent list via private exchange if you are interested.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
And no, I'm not Catholic.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman And who founded the CIA? Was it a Knight of Malta?? Certainly was. Of course the current head of the CIA is a favorite of the Jesuits at Santa Clara University and is in all liklihood a Knight of Malta himself. If you think these military orders and honors are merely ceremonial then you are kidding yourself. Of course the world-wide "occult theocrasy" and secret societies are big into pomp ceremony, the priests are the masters of ceremony and ritual.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Um, can you prove that Alan Dulles was a Knight Hospitaller? At all?
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Well actually Alan Dulles was a Knight of Malta, this is a proven fact. His nephew also became the powerful Jesuit priest Avery Dulles, I have a picture of the current pope kneeling and kissing his ring in New York.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Where's the proof that Dulles was a Hospitaller?
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman But Dulles isnt who I am talking about, I was speaking of Willam "Wild Bill" Donovan who was the founder of the OSS (which later became the CIA). Bill Donovan is known as the "Father of American Intelligence" and the "Father of Central Intelligence". He was also a papal Knight of Malta, I have pictures of him with his masters at the vatican. He was also a reciever of the super elite "Pontifical Equestrian Order of St. Sylvester Pope".
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Dulles actually founded the CIA. He was trained by Donovan.
Please link the information on Xe and the Maltans, if you have it.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman There is a great wealth of information regarding Blackwater (Xe) and the Knights of Malta, do I really have to hold your hand through the whole process? Are you really that scared to do or incapable of doing the research on your own? A simply google search would suffice. As I said, I believe I have a mainstream newstory regarding this subject linked in my profile, check it out, its a start. Donovan was also a Knight of Malta this is a fact.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
No, I want you to link it, here, for all to see, so that when you link some ridiculous rumor mill written by a mental patient, EVERYONE can share in the laugh.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Lastly, social justice does not translate into socialism. Social justice is a more deontological idea, while socialism says all private property is inherently evil.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Social justice is the foolish idealism which the socialists take advantage of. Not all socialism views private property as inherently evil, there is right wing socialism for example, but of course the abolition of private property is one of the primary tenents of marxism. Private property does not jive well with "social justice" because the leftists do not think it is very "socially just" that any man should have more property or capital then another.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Actually, social justice just states that the disparity can not be too great.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
British knights have no authority. It's a ceremonial title now.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
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@WorshipInTruth
Just so we're clear, you actually believe that the Catholic Church has been secretly preserving the Roman Empire through an order that did not exist when the empire fell, and still controls the world from the shadows using now powerless monarchies and military orders?
Are you mad? Or Jack Chick?
Mackerelman 1 year ago
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@WorshipInTruth
Just so we're clear, you actually believe that the Catholic Church has been secretly preserving the Roman Empire through an order that did not exist when the empire fell, and still controls the world from the shadows using now powerless monarchies and military orders?
Are you mad? Or Jack Chick?
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman You need to understand that in reality there are truely only two political systems, there is the true conservatism of the Anglos as represented by Edmund Burke [also know as libertarianism or "classical liberalism], then there is the oppressive reactionary "conservatism" of the jesuit Joseph de Maistre who advocated authoritarianism for the sake of authoritarianism.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Are you high right now?
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Your aggressive abusive attitude makes intelligent debate impossible. I think you have even lost sight of what we were arguing about. But I will tell you most assuredly that "social justice" is just a communist by-word.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
No, I have not lost sight of it. You are trying to claim that social justice is a keyword for socialism, and that the Catholic Church rules the world. You are wrong.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Then please enlighten me as to why it is that I am wrong. There is more then enough evidence to prove my position.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
You have to prove it. Prove that your little conspiracy exists.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Every mainstream source (even the papists at Fox news) admitt that "social justice" is just a keyword for socialism. You cannot have forced wealth distribution without socialism, it is an anti-capitalist ideology.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Fox News is a Conservative news site. Of COURSE they say social justice is evil.
The Monarchies have no real power. Also, Pepin was the Mayor of the Palace, not the Holy Roman Emperor. You're a moron, and sorely lacking in knowledge of history. I am aware that the Papacy has done horrible things in the past. However, they do not rule the world right now. Now, if you want to give me proof that the Vatican has some sort of super duper special forces teams on call, please do so.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Pepin acquiesced much of his secular power from the pope but it was his son Charlemange who was first to take the title "Holy Roman Emperor". I know what I am talking about and my point stands on merit. Several politicans have come out and said that the vatican has a secret intelligence service which would make Israel blush. The inquisition (the first international spy gestapo) is still around, many in the intelligence services (particularly the CIA) are Knights of Malta.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Pepin got his power by manuevering. His line kept power by being hardasses of the first order(Charles Martel). Now, which politicians have stated this? Which idiots need to be voted out?
The Knights of Malta still exist. They do charity work now. Stabbing people got old.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Trust me, they still take pleasure in stabbing people. Many militaries are currently being used a crusaders, the murderous mercenary group formerly known as Blackwater (now Ze) is full of Knights of Malta and others who consider themselves the modern Templar. Even mainstream sources such as CNN have reported on this.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Two things.
One, it's spelled Xe. Two, no, they're not Hospitallers. Unless you want to offer a shred of proof or two that they are.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Xe is most certainly run by the Knights of Malta. This is even admitted too. I believe I have a news story related to this in my profile if you are interested.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Though, you did get one thing right. Donovan was a recipient of the Order of St. Sylvester. However, this does not prove that the CIA is run by the Hospitallers.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
All the Maltans do now is run Hospitals.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman So ignorant. There are many factions of the Knights of Malta, the ones that go by "Hospitaller" generally are involved with hospitals but that is not all the Knights are involved in.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
The Hospitallers are the Maltans. The Hospitallers was what they first called themselves. After they kicked serious Turkish ass at Malta, they decided it had been so much fun, they'd call themselves the Knights of Malta.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman I understand that, but some still go by "Hospitallers" though, generally the ones involved with hospitals and medical treatment.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Which would be all of them.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman WRONG, many Knights of Malta have NOTHING to do with hospitals or healthcare. The Knights of Malta carry different maltese cross, the ones with the red cross are generally engaged in warfare, the ones with the green maltese crosses, such as the "Military and Hospitaller Order of Saint Lazarus of Jerusalem" are engaged in health and environmental pursuits (such as buying up the largest watersheds in the world and poisioing the population through "medication").
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Any proof of that statement? Because it appears they're just a bunch of pretty boys doing medical work.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Oh yeah, and I bet Opus Dei are just a bunch of "pretty boys" as well. Knights of Malta such as Gen. Alexander Haig, Franz von Papen, Juan Peron, Kim Philby, Augusto Pinochet, John J. Raskob, General Vernon A. Walters, Kurt Waldheim, Henry Luce, Joseph Kennedy, King Juan Carlos, Frank Charles Carlucci III, William F. Buckley, Pat Buchanan, Geoffrey T. Boisi, James Jesus Angelton, William Casey are just a bunch of "pretty boys" doing medical work. HA!
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Actually, Opus Dei are a bunch of LEY pretty boys. They're not even as pretty as the Maltans.
I note that a good many of the people you listed died a while ago. I imagine there's a reason for that.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman "I imagine theres a reason for that", yeah they were old as balls.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Next you are going to tell me that elite Knights of Malta such as Otto von Hapsburg don't have power anymore. LAUGH, read a book seesh.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Methinks you watched Hellsing a few times tomorrow.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
It does worry me, however, that you think Fox News treats any ideology to the left of the John Birch Society sympathetically.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Fox news is very leftist in my estimation. Rupert Murdoch pretends to be a "libertarian" yet Fox seems to favor the quasi-leftist socialist ex-marxist neo-conservatives. The papist Knight of Malta, Skull and Bones member and friend of Fox network, William Buckley was the one responsible for destroying any influence the John Birch Society had over the right.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Murdoch is a leftist?
Rupert Murdoch is a leftist?
You just said that. You wrote that. You concieved of a standard where Rupert Murdoch is a leftist.
Incredible.
So, any proof the Knights of Malta are still a powerful military order?
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman If he wasn't a leftist then he would not favor the mainstream neo-conservatives over true libertarian Christians. It is a known fact that Murdoch has almost complete control over Fox holdings yet just look at the programs Fox network puts out, communist filth it is. Do you have any proof that the Knights of Malta ceased to be a powerful military order?? They still make up the elite of Europe, how is that not power???
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
They make up a bunch of volunteer medical personel. Literally, their job now is to run hospitals. They have no power.
Um, what Communist propaganda has Fox put out? What at ALL has Fox done in the way of Communism?
And what is libertarian Christianity? Christianity is deontological.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman I said libertarian Christians. In the U.S. many of the more "fundamentalist" Christians are distrustful of big government and fall into the right wing of the libertarian camp. This is in tune with the Christian baptist and presbyterian founders of this nation who distrusted centralization in both church and government. Don't play stupid, you should know what I am talkin about.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Yes, and how does libertarianism jive with Christianity's deontology, our commitment to duty?
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Our only duty is to spread the Gospel and to be generous towards our brethren, it is not our duty to force morality through government (socialism), government should be a reflection of a moral society, not an enforcer trying to create a moral (utopian) society. Libertarianism is simply action on a local level as opposed to centralization in federal government, how is that at all opposed to the teachings of Christianity? It was world empire (Rome) which persecuted.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Yet, you admit there is a duty involved.
LIbertarians do not really believe in duty.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman WRONG AGAIN, libertarians simply believe in individual as opposed to collective duty. Libertarians are very dutiful, especially in our pursuit to curb the influence of totalitarian government.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@WorshipInTruth
Two points.
One: Christianity is deontological. We have a collective and individual duty.
Two: our government is NOT totalitarian.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@Mackerelman Christians only have an individual duty, we may have a collective duty within the Body of Christ but we have no collective duty to serve the state. Give unto Caesar that which is Caesars and give unto God that which is his, I do not belong to Caesar or any worldly power, I belong to the Most High.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@Mackerelman "Deontological", what did you learn a new word and you thought that if you used it half a dozen times in our correspondences that you would sound smart? Christians do follow deontological ethics, that is merely to say that our moral obligations arise from God's commands, not from commands of a state or community.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@Mackerelman How is deontological ethics at all opposed to political libertarianism? The great libertarian thinkers such as, my favorite, Murray Rothbard upheld and elaborated the basic moral axioms of deontological ethics such as the non-aggression principle. I wonder if you even have a clue what you are talking about. Our government is not totalitarian?? Thats a laugh. I see that you are no great lover of political liberty.
WorshipInTruth 1 year ago
@marketofideas
If the Communists had brought one iota of liberation, you'd have a point.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
@marketofideas
Actually, Christianity isn't even properly associated with right wing ideas here. Though we do have the Prosperity Gospel here, to our discredit.
Mackerelman 1 year ago
Just like how christianity has been turned into hegemony for justifying the existence of the state ( whose existence is only possible with murder, theft, lying, etc.) Christianity has also been turned into hegemony justifying the existence of oppresive economic constructs such as consumerism, the management and wage system etc. even though the teachings of Yeshua are clearly opposed to the love of material things and the domination of people by other people.
marketofideas 2 years ago
@marketofideas - good to see someone who knows what they're talking about once in a while.
bnfox 1 year ago
These videos fail to recognize that class struggle and oppression is a reality and that the love of money, greed, avarice, and the serving of mammon is the chief cause. Like I said in an earlier comment these videos just show a functionalist view of society and present as 'the christian worldview'. These videos don't understand that the status quo of society is merely one built on the domination of the oppresed masses that the oppresors attempt to justify with cultural ideas called hegemony.
marketofideas 2 years ago