I know Shias aqeeda is not based on facts but at least they are Muslims and believe on one Allah and his prophet Muhammad (PBUH). They are our brothers who are mis-guided by some opportunists, corrupt munafiqeen. May Allah guide us all and bless us all. JazakAllah
Great questions brother Muhammad7787. I think there is no answer to your intelligent questions. May Allah guide us all to learn the true Islam. But one thing I suggest that you must not degrade Hazrat Ali (RA) and Imam Mehdi (RA) because both of them are hounarable personalities. Ali (RA) is one of the beloved sahaba of our beloved prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and it is fact proved by Hadits that Imam Mehdi will emerge and will lead the Muslims against the kafir army. So please keep it in mind.
umm yeahh, listen you say you believe in allah.. Allah didnt say to make others look bad. "why are you contrdicting the quran?" Why dont you worry about your self and your sins and stop worrying about shias. If you think our religion is fake then god will deal with us,, for now worry about your self. & you make it seem like sunnahs dont make any mistakes or sin..
Were all musilsm.. you make islam look bad. Making your own reilgion look bad who does that!!!!??? there wasnt shia or sunah bk then
Shia writers often quote material of this kind from Sunni sources, seeking to mislead their uninformed Sunni readership by the amount of sources they are able to produce. A general principle that must be kept in mind with regard to such attempts at deception is that any narration is only as good as its chain of narration. Any material quoted must therefore first be authenticated before it can be used to substantiate any argument.
For example, Abu Hatim describes him as daif al-hadith, munkar al-hadith jiddan (weak in hadith, narrates extremely unique and uncorroborated material), and Ibn Main says about him laysa bi-shay (as a hadith transmitter he amounts to nothing). (Tahdhib al-Kamal vol. 26 p. 37) Ibn Adi concurs with Abu Hatim that he narrates completely uncorroborated material. (al-Kamil vol. 6 p. 114)
The isnad in al-Mujam al-Kabir is not free from serious defects. The second narrator in the chain, namely Yahya ibn al-Hasan ibn Furat, is totally unknown (Majma az-Zawaid vol. 9 p. 134), while its fourth narrator, Muhammad ibn Ubaydillah, is regarded as unreliable by the vast majority of critics.
In ad-Durr al-Manthur (vol. 2 p. 294), where it is stated as recorded by Ibn Mardawayh, at-Tabrani as well as Abu Nuaym, there is an addition which goes that after reciting the verse S.A.W. said: Praise be to Allah who completed His favour for Ali. This addition must be from the book of either Ibn Mardawayh or Abu Nuaym, since it does not appear in al-Mujam al-Kabir. It is neither in Hilyat al-Awliya of Abu Nuaym, so it must be from another of his works which is not available to us.
Before going into that it must first be noted that this narration differs from all of the above versions in that it does not recount the story of the beggar. It only speaks of Rasulullah r waking up from his sleep and reciting this verse. Thereafter he tells Abu Rafi that there will come a people who will fight Ali t , and that it will be incumbent upon people to fight them.
This narration too, is recorded by Ibn Mardawayh. Fortunately it is also recorded by at-Tabrani in his work al-Mujam al-Kabir (vol. 1 pp. 320-321), so unlike the previous case, we are in a position to conduct a first-hand investigation into its isnad..
The fact that amongst all hadith sources it is only in the relatively late Tafsir of Ibn Mardawayh (who died in the year 410 AH) that this narration appears, is a further indication of its spuriousness.
3rd narrator: Ali ibn Abi Talib radiyallahu anhu..
The hadith with Sayyiduna Ali ibn Abi Talib t as its narrator was contained in the Tafsir of Ibn Mardawayh, a source which is no longer extant.
However, Hafiz Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir has stated that this narration, like that of Ammar and Abu Rafi, is unreliable due to the weakness of their isnads and the fact that their narrators are unknown. (Tafsir Ibn Kathir vol. 2 p. 71)
He presents his forgery in the name of a completely unknown narrator, Ishaq ibn Abdillah ibn Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Husayn. This name is nowhere traceable in the biographical dictionaries of hadith transmitters. Hasan ibn Zayd, his father Zayd ibn Hasan, and his grandfather Hasan ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra) were historical figures, but it is evident that their association with this hadith is completely fictional, being fabricated as it is by a known forger, Khalid ibn Yazid al-Umari.
This isnad suffers from a serious defect. Khalid ibn Yazid al-Umari is an extremely untrustworthy narrator who has been denounced as a liar by Yahya in Main and Abu Hatim ar-Razi. Ibn Hibban says that he transmits forgeries on the authority of trustworthy narrators. Al-Uqayli says that he transmits baseless narrations. (See Lisan al-Mizan vol. 2 pp. 740-743)
Chain of narration: Muhammad ibn Ali as-Saigh—Khalid ibn Yazid al-Umari—Ishaq ibn Abdilllah ibn Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Husayn—Hasan ibn Zayd—his father Zayd ibn Hasan—his grandfather—Ammar
This particular chain of narration (as-Suddi as-Saghir, from al-Kalbi, from Abu Salih) became so infamous amongst the ulama that it was given the epithet Silsilat al-Kadhib, meaning the Chain of Mendacity. (See as-Suyuti, Tadrib ar-Rawi vol. 1 p. 181)
The third person in this isnad is Muhammad ibn Marwan, who is also known as as-Suddi as-Saghir (the younger Suddi). In him we have another notorious forger whose mendacity was exposed by both his contemporaries and the ulama who came after him. (See Tahdhib al-Kamal vol. 26 pp. 392-394)
Two of the statements in his biography are of particular interest here. The one is a statement by his kinsman Abu Janab al-Kalbi who records Abu Salih as saying that he never narrated any tafsir to Muhammad ibn as-Saib. The second is an admission of guilt by Abu Salih. Imam Sufyan ath-Thawri narrates that al-Kalbi said, Whatever tafsir I narrated from Abu Salih is untrue. Do not narrate it from me.
The next narrator, Muhammad ibn as-Saib al-Kalbi, was one of the most notorious liars of Kufah. His biography in al-Mizzis Tahdhib al-Kamal is filled with statements of the ulama of his time who denounced him as an extremely unreliable reporter, and even a blatant liar. (See al-Mizzi, Tahdhib al-Kamal vol. 25 pp. 246-253)
Chain of narration: Muhammad ibn Marwan — Muhammad ibn as-Saib — Abu Salih — IbnAbbas (See al-Wahidi, Asbab an-Nuzul no. 397)
This isnad is one of the most famous chains of forgery. Each one of the three narrators before Ibn Abbas was a notorious liar. Abu Salih, whose name was Badham or Badhan, was described as a liar by his own student Ismail ibn Abi Khalid. (See Abu Jafar al-Uqayli, ad-Duafa al-Kabir vol. 1 p. 165)
& the main grounds for forcing the verse out of its context are the narrations which exist, according to which the verse was revealed when Ali(ra) gave his ring to a beggar while in the position of ruku.
I will show u some hadiths about it.. i.e. it is authentic narration or not?
The sources at our disposal contain narrations of the supposed incident whose sanads (chains of narration) go back to four different peoples..
Quran 53:1-2 says- Waalnnajmi itha hawa Ma dalla "sahibukum" wama ghawa..
Translation: "By the star when it goes down, (or vanishes). Your ""companion (Muhammad SAW)"" has neither gone astray nor has erred."
As u can see here word "sahib" is used for S.A.W. by ALLAH when the kuffar don't listen Quran & says that there is no verse reveled by ALLAH but it is S.A.W. who make verses himself (nauzubillah)..
Like todays shia, who say Quranic verses are not original & destorted by sahaba's.. lol..
As u can see ALLAH said three times in Quran 15:9, 56:77-80, 85:21-22.. that ALLAH is protecting Quran from all tahreefs either arranging or disarranging..
This show that u r like jews & christians..
U r not ummah of S.A.W. bcoz u believe that Quran is distorted (minorily or majorily)..
Why u believe this! All knows bcoz ur practises alwz contradict Quran & sunnah of S.A.W.
& dear 1st of all believe in ALLAH's word that he said Quran is protected, so Quran is protected with zero-doubt..
No!! bcoz sunni still says all sahaba's are closer to the heart of S.A.W.
If sunni starts talking like u stupid guys then u will go bump!!
If again u say that no Ali(ra) is only wali.. Then show me any verse which ALLAH used for Ali(ra) for showing him extreme closeness with S.A.W. in Quran.. & remember before showing any verse first of all try to learn arabic..
& I know u will try to gv me the incidence of mubahila.. But before gving that verse try to see the word used for Ali(ra) in arabic.
In 9:40 u can see ALLAH used "yaqoolu lisahibihi " for Abu Bakr(ra) means "he said to his companion".
In arabic word "lisahibihi" word is used to show extreme closeness. So as u can see ALLAH said Abu Bakr(ra) as "lisahibihi" of S.A.W. & u shia say him kafir means shia r agains ALLAH's words.
As I follower of Quran, showed u the verse which says Abu Bakr(ra) as "lisahibihi of S.A.W", & this word of extreme closeness is not used for anybody in Quran by ALLAH.
" Then Allah sent down His Sakeenah (calmness, tranquillity, peace, etc.) upon him, and strengthened him with forces (angels) which you saw not, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while it was the Word of Allah that became the uppermost, and Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
If u still argue then, ALLAH also says about Abu Bakr(ra) in Quran 9:40- If you help him not, for Allah did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of two, when they (Muhammad SAW and abu bakr) were in the cave, and he (SAW) said to his companion (abu bakr): "Be not sad (or afraid), surely Allah is with us.
If ALLAH want to appoint Ali(ra) as devine imam then ALLAH clearly told his name bcoz ALLAH donot misguide ummah..
Quran 9:115: And Allah will never lead a people astray/misguide after He has guided them until He makes clear to them as to what they should avoid. Verily, Allah is the All-Knower of everything.
Here it is clear ALLAH donot gv hints but show the clear signs as the case of S.A.W. ALLAH clearly declaired S.A.W. as seal of prophet in Quran.
5:51: O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust).
Here ALLAH want to say that not take non-believers as ur helpers but take believers as ur helpers..
In 5:55 ALLAH is talking about helper not divine imam..
Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo la tattakhithoo alyahooda waalnnasara ""awliyaa"" baAAduhum awliyao baAAdin waman yatawallahum minkum fa-innahu minhum inna Allaha la yahdee alqawma alththalimeena..
As u see above ""awliya"" is a plural of wali.. Jews & Christians are the awliya of one another. Whoever amongst you takes them as his awliya is one of them. Verily Allah does not guide the unjust people..
[Shakir 5:55] Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.
[Pickthal 5:55] Your guardian can be only Allah; and His messenger and those who believe, who establish worship and pay the poordue, and bow down (in prayer).
UniversalFortress,, one advise for u.. I belong to ahle-sunnah wal jamah.. SO try to gv authentic references.. like bukhari, muslim etc.. where chain of narrations are given..
All the commentators unanimously hold, as Qushaji admits in the Sharh al Tajrid on the subject of imamat, that this verse refers to Ali when he gave his ring to a beggar while bowing down in the course of his prayers. Nasa-i has also recorded this tradition in his Sahihah al Nasa-i, and so has the author of Al Jama Bayn al Sihah al Sittah (corroboration of the six authentic books)
@muhammad7787 2:153:O you who believe! seek assistance through patience and prayer; surely Allah is with the patient.
Commentry:Wasta-inu (seek help) applies to worldly as well as spiritual matters as stated in verse 5 of al Fatihah. Sabr (patience) and salat(prayer) curb vain desires, pride and self-indulgence and lead to humility, acceptance and obedience. The Arabic word sabr has many shades of implied suggestions - willingness to endure, submission,self-control, serenity poise(continue)
@muhammad7787 and ability to continue Salat has been explained in verse 3 of this surah. To liberate the human ego from the clutches of the excessive attachment to bodily wants and material success, a refined discipline has to be built through subordinating the body to the control of the spiritual energy, otherwise mere formal rituals and recitation of chants and charms do not help man to rise above the level of animal life, as has been shown by Ali ibna abi Talib The whole world bears(continue)
@muhammad7787 witness to the fact that in wisdom, spiritual achievements, and bodily strength there is no one who can be compared with him. He stands high and above in the select company of the most devoted servants of Allah. The lives of the Holy Prophet, Bibi Fatimah, his daughter and the Holy Imams is a brilliant light which throws light on the path to be followed by the sincere faithful who seek assistance (wasta-inu) to build up the balanced character mentioned above (continue)
@muhammad7787 and referred to in this verse. It is reported that whenever the Holy Prophet or any of the holy Imams, or Bibi Fatimah faced any difficulty, they prayed salat and sought Allah's help and its take long descrption to understand this verse
in discussion of the commentary on al Ma-idah, and so does Tha-labi in his Tafsir Kabir, and al Balakhi in his Yanabi has copied it from Ahmad bin Hanbal's Musnad, vol. 5, margin of p. 38. Please refer to the commentary on this verse in Wahidi's book Asbab al Nuzul (the circumstances of descent) which contains the tradition related by Ibn Abbas.
Al Khatib has recorded the tradition in Al Muttafiq, and Ibn Marduwayh and Abu Shaykh in their Musnads. It is mentioned in Kanz al Ummal, vol. 6, p. 391, tradition no. 5991. In Ghayah al Maram, chapter 18, there are twenty four traditions from sources other than the Ahl ul Bayt, all supporting the above statement about the descent of this verse.
When Abi Ishaq Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Ibrahim Naysaburi al Tha-labi reached this verse he recorded the following in his Tafsir al Kabir on the authority of Abu Dharr al Ghifari, who said "Both of my ears may turn deaf and both my eyes may become blind if I speak a lie.
I heard the Holy Prophet saying, 'Ali is the guide of the righteous and the slayer of the infidels. He who has helped him is victorious and he who has abandoned him is forsaken'. One day I said my prayers in the company of the Holy Prophet; a beggar came to the masjid and begged for alms, but nobody gave him anything. Ali was in a state of ruku in the prayer. He pointed out his ring to the beggar, who approached him and removed the ring from his finger.
Thereupon the Holy Prophet implored Allah, saying: 'O Allah! My brother Musa begged You saying: My Lord, delight my heart and make my task easy and undo the knot in my tongue so that they may understand me,
and appoint from among my kinsmen, Harun, my brother, as my vizier, and strengthen my back with him and make him participate in my mission so that we may glorify You and remember You more frequently. Certainly You see us-and You inspired him: O Musa! All your requests have been granted.
(The Holy Prophet continued) Delight my heart and make my task easy and appoint from among my kinsmen Ali as my vizier and strengthen my back with him'. (Abu Dhar proceeds) By Allah, the Holy Prophet had not yet finished his supplication when the trustworthy Jibril descended to him with this verse". (Ibn Khallikan says that Al Tha-labi was unique as a commentator of the Quran and his Tafsir al Kabir is superior to all other Tafsirs).
In this verse the word wali has been used in the meaning of guardian or master or who holds authority superior to others. Please refer to the origin of the word wali in Sihah or Mukhtar al Sihah or any other good dictionary. The lexicographers have explained that he who manages the affairs of and exercises authority for another person is the wali of that person.
This verse, therefore, means that those who manage the affairs of the people (mankind) are superior to all men, and certainly they are Allah, His messenger, the Holy Prophet, and Ali, who possesses all the qualifications enumerated in this verse. Allah has simultaneously confirmed His wilayah (superior authority), that of His prophet and his wali (Ali) in unbroken succession.
Allah's wilayah is universal, so likewise, the wilayah of the Holy Prophet and his wali (Ali) must be so. It is not possible to assign to the word wali in this verse the meaning of a helper or a friend, etcetera, for help and friendship are not confined to these three only.
All the faithful men and women, according to the holy book, are friends and helpers of one another. It is as obvious as can be that the word wali in this verse means, guardian, ruler, possessor of superior authority. It is in this sense that the word wali has been used by the Holy Prophet in the abovenoted tradition related by Al Tha-labi in his Tafsir al Kabir on the authority of Abu Dharr al Ghifari whom the Holy Prophet had given the title of siddiq (the truthful).
There are other authentic traditions, given below, in which the word wali indicates its true meaning:
(i) Abu Dawud al Tayalisi has recorded in Isti-ab on the authority of Ibn Abbas, who said: "The Holy Prophet said to Ali, 'You are the master (wali) of the faithful after me'."
(ii) After an expedition, under the command of Ali, some of the men, who went with him, complained to the Holy Prophet about Ali's refusal to oblige them favourably. The Holy Prophet turned to them with signs of displeasure on his face and said: "What do you want to do to Ali? Surely Ali is from me and I am from him, and after me he is the master (wali) of all the faithful."
Nasa-i has recorded it in his Khasa-is al Alawiyyah, p. 17, Ahmad ibn Hanbal in his Musnad, vol. 4, p. 438; Hakim in Mustadrak, vol. 11, p. 11; Al Dhahabi in his Talkhis al Mustadrak; Ibn Shaybah and Jarir both have recorded it from whom Muttaqi of India has copied it in his Kanz al Ummal, vol. 6, p. 400; Tirmidhi has recorded it from Asqalani, mentioned in his account of Ali in his Isabah;
Ibn Hadid has copied it from Tirmidhi in his Sharh al Nahj al Balagha, vol. 2, p. 450.
(iii) The Holy Prophet said to Buraydah:
"Am I not a more privileged master (mawla or wali) of the lives of the faithful than the faithful themselves? Ali is the master (wali or mawla) of those who believe me to be their master."
Ahmad ibn Hanbal has recorded it in his Musnad, vol. 5, p. 356, Hakim has recorded it in his Mustadrak, vol. 3, p. 110, besides many other traditionists.
(iv) The Holy Prophet said:
"O Ali! After me you are the master of all the faithful."
Hakim has recorded this tradition as reported by Ibn Abbas in his Mustadrak, vol. 3, p. 134; and Dhahabi in his Talkhis; Nasa-i in Khasa-is al Alawiyyah p. 6; Ahmad ibn Hanbal in Musnad vol. 1, p. 331.
"Ali is your wali after me", means that Ali and none else will be the master of the faithful after the Holy Prophet.
It confines in Ali the authority to manage the affairs of the ummah after him. It is, therefore, necessary to attach the same meaning to the word wali and to understand it in the same sense as has been pointed out above. Help, affection, love, friendship are not confined to any one person. All faithful men and women love and are friends of one another. If the meaning of wali is taken as helper or friend,
then why the Holy Prophet took so much interest in, and attached so much importance to, clarifying emphatically what was obvious and evident, so as to repeat the declaration off and on? His perfect wisdom, his thorough impeccability and termination with him of the prophethood make him far above the indulgence of explaining the self-evident, emphasising the obvious and making unnecessary repetitions.
Besides, the traditions lay down clearly that Ali is or will be master of the nation after the Holy Prophet, and this makes it all the more necessary to understand the word wali in the same sense and fix for it the same meaning as has been stated above.
The abovenoted traditionists, commentators and historians also deal with the word wali or mawla as the "more privileged master of the lives of the faithful than the faithful themselves."
"Those who believe" is in the plural form. How can it be applicable to an individual?
All the annotators, traditionists and historians agree that it was Na-im ibn Mas-ud al Ashja-i, whom Abu Sufyan gave ten camels for discouraging the Muslim, said to them: "Fear your enemies who have united against you and gathered in large numbers to attack you" (Ali Imran: 173), but in this verse "people said to them" (a plural form) has been used.
It was Ghawrath from the tribe of Banu Maharib, some scholars say, while others say that it was Umar ibn Jahash of the tribe of Banu Nadir, (a single man) single man) who drew out his sword to strike the Holy Prophet, but verse 11 of al Ma-idah describes it as "when a group of persons became so bold as to stretch their hands to you"-in plural form. Verse 120 of al Nahl says: "Ibrahim was certainly a people obedient to Allah".
There are plenty of other examples of using the plural form for an individual.
Tabrasi, while commenting on this verse in his Majma al Bayan, says: "The plural form has been used for Ali in order to express his glory and eminence ."
"If you inquire how this plural word is applicable to Ali, who is an individual, I shall say that though this verse is about Ali, an individual, the plural form is used in order to persuade others to act similarly and give alms as readily as Ali did."
The Imams among the Ahl ul Bayt have frequently referred to this verse as a proof of their rightful imamat and have assigned the same meaning to the word wali as we have stated.
The word innama makes the decision of Allah (that He, the Holy Prophet and Ali alone are the masters of the believers) final and decisive. The construction of the sentence and the word wali, used in singular for all the three, means that wilayah of all the three is essentially one in nature as well as in effect.
Therefore, obedience to the Holy Prophet must be as it should be to Allah, and obedience to Ali and his successors (the Imams among the Ahl ul Bayt) must be as it should be to the Holy Prophet.
Wa hum raki-un is an adverbial clause qualifying the manner in which the alms were given. If it is taken as a conjunctive clause, then yuqimunas salat or this clause becomes an unnecessary repetition.
In fact this verse points out the highest state of spiritual attainment-fully absorbed in witnessing the glory of the absolute Lord and at the same time alive to the needs of His servants so as to solve them at once to their full satisfaction- which alone entitles a man to be a master like the eternal master, the almighty Allah.
The Quran a asserts this possibility for such a man, not for all the followers because they have been addressed in
second person (kum). The plural term "those who believe" is used to include the Imams among the Ahl ul Bayt in the same way as has been done in verse 61 of Ali Imran (Mubahilah).
Please also refer to verse 67 of this surah for the event of Ghadir Khum where the Holy Prophet openly declared Ali as the wali or mawla of the faithfuls just as the Holy Prophet himself is.
The entire Muslim nation is unanimous that when the verses of the Quran were collected they were not arranged in the same order in which they descended. There is many a verse occurring in an irrelevant context, for instance, the verse of purification, which occurs in the account of the wives of the Holy Prophet, but actually is in praise of the five persons of al kisa, as has been universally admitted.
All Muslims are agreed that arguments are to be preferred to the context, and whenever the implication of the context was opposed to the implication of arguments they ignored the context and yielded to the arguments, because they were doubtful about the context in which a certain verse occurs.
UniversalFortress,, I really laugh on ur faith.. U said Kitab Al-Kafi, Bihar-ul-anwar najahul balagha etc.. r not authentic?
Then how ur faith is proceeding? U hv no authentic hadiths? U said that ur 1st publish hadith as not 100% authentic? Then I ask u 1 question: Do u hv any sahih hadith?
Don't show ur ignorance kid..
& about Quranic verses dear 1st blaim ur ayatullah's & read their book,, then come again & argue about it..
we only accept any NARRATIONS of hadith if doesn't contradict any verses from the HOLY100% QUR'AN! BECUSE WE ONLY BELEIVE THAT IT'S ONLY THE WORLD OF ALLAH(S0 9GOD0 IS THE 100% AUTHENTIC ON IT'S ENTIRE CONTENTS!
- who was the only man at the time of the holy prophet muhammed(puh&hf) who gave zakat ( pay poor, charity etc.) while on sujud?! based on your sahih (free of lie* & error sunni hadiths)?!
Quran 5:55- Verily, your Walî (Protector or Helper) is Allâh, His Messenger, and the believers, - those who perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, and they bow down (submit themselves with obedience to Allâh in prayer).
In this verse ALLAH is saying he is protector of those believers who pray, gv zakat & bow down only for ALLAH..
As u can clearly see it is "و" in arabic means "and"..
universalF; because the holy qur'an allows it !& didn't prohibits! and according to your sunni sahih(free of lie& error) hadith ; the holy prophet of islam& your "sahabah" did practice it !
universalF; the memories of the heros, saviors of Islam (ahlulbayt) A. shall remain forever!!!! QUR'AN COMMANDED US TO LOVE & TAKE CARE OF THE MUSLIMS (AHLULBAYTS(A) also according to your most authentic (free of lie& error) sunni hadiths.
Oh great u mourn bcoz they are heros.. & what ALLAH want to say in 2:135?
Means in view of ALLAH those who slained for the sake of ALLAH are not heros? U such a dump guy..
2ndly: Quran comamded us to love & take care of ahle-bayt!! Means by doing matam (going besides the words of ALLAH & by contradicting Quran) u are taking care?
Dear ALLAH also said stick to my book & follow it bcoz this will take u to the right path.. & ur practises alwz against Quran!!
Open Challenge For Our Brothers (Sunni) watch?v=44gbIBV7-YA&feature=channel_page & more questions added here watch?v=zstX6VhScsA&feature=channel_page
1st u answer my this video then surely I will answer mohammad2k8's questions.. Then u answer my 2nd video & I also answer 2nd video of ur brother.. Ok.. :)
pfft that is no deal..why don't u two go video to video against one another huh? Have him answer ur questions and u answer his..eh? Now that is a deal..i didn't make his video..u just want a piece of me soo bad don't u? ur a sick perv
LOL muhamad7787 is TOO Afraid to answer mohammed2k8's questions..chicken..Sorry i don't have a muta shia mate..but since u talk about it a lot u must have one...Oh now ur coming down and started to insult ur as low as Yazid (la) and Muawiyah (L) I converted to Islam. I know a lot about sunni and shia Islam..probably a lot more then u do. Yes I know ur a liar. My duty is to worship Allah and obey the Messenger..but that is not ur duty..ur duty is to insult ppl and disobey Allah. munafiq
HEY MR FAKE "R U CONVERTED FRM SHIA TO SUNNI" DONT TELL A LIE EXPLAIN ME UR COMPLETE SHAJRA AND TELL ME COMPLETE ABT UR KHANDAN ........ NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY U WERE NOT AGREEING WID MY FACTS COZ U R A FAKE PERSON IF NOT GVE ME COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE ABT U AND IN OPEN FORUM...then i will talk to u againg otherwise not
ok that means that u accept that in ghadeer e khum ALI AS was declared as "MAULA" of all muslim or belevers of prophet PBUH.......plz check and let me knw the meanings of ""maula"" from u r Arabic lugath.......and plz dont delete my comment it is an open forum....
Mazharzaidi9, do u hv any shame or not? 1st try to gv correct hadiths, do not edit it. Mawla in arabic: rabb = Lord malik = owner mun'im = benefactor mu'tiq = liberator naser = helper muheb = lover haleef = ally aabd = slave (for example: Zaid ibn haretha was the mawla of the prophet (pbuh)) sihr = brother-in-law ibn al'am = cousin. clear!! 2nd If u want the meaning of maula from Quran then tell it to me. This shows u never read Quran before sincerely!
If u ever tried to understand Quran before sincerely then u realise what S.A.W. want to say about Ali(ra) in Ghadeer-e-khum by statement "man kuntu mawlah fa Ali mawlah"?
My advise to u,, try to understand Quran sincerely & start from begining..
it is clearly written in the QURAN and also accepted by all the muslim scholars (shias and sunnis both) that what so ever ALLAH'S PROPHET(pbuh) says is through "wahi" (now plz dont give a new meaning of wahi which is written in the book of wahabis or Israels)so, if prophet (PBUH)coming from his last hajj stopped the complete gathering of muslims and delevered this "WAHI" for ALI (AS)
(as u also accepted) "MAN KUNTO MAULA FA HAZA ALI UN MAULA" (check a authentic arbic lugath and let me knw the meaning).. so these words said by prophet (pbuh) are the words of ALLAH..
and now a warning "dont advice me again to read QURAN because what so ever i m saying is clearly authentic and i m giving u the proof frm sunni scholars' book.......i dont understand one thing why u all sunnis come to one belief some r barelvi some r deobandi is the islam started in india that u have got head offices in india
just have one belief like US we have got only one firqa....if i give the example from a book u said it is written by barelvi i dont knw barelvi and deobandi i only the he is sunni scholar and he is frm u sunni.... one more why barelvi has accepted US.... but ONLY wahabis AND JEWS (WAHODI) DIDNT accept that what so ever we say it is correct
R U REALLY FROM ISRAEL i dont xcept dis coz u guy still read same QURAN and u Still believe is Same Prophet (pbuh) that we do i knw we have got differences but u r from us not UAHODIS OR NASARA... and if a person ACCEPT QURAN AND PROPHET (PBUH) OF ALLAH HE IS MUSLIM...
we dont believe in muslim bukhari who wrote these a person who is not present at that time in bukhari all hawalas are by abu bakar, uaman, aysha, talah zubair, omar these all are the enimies of ALI (AS) and janabe Fatima......
my faith is the best and i m from the shia of ALI (AS) u r the shai of abu bakr umar aysha usmain maviya and other fake muslim......they were the fake muslim and now u wahabies r the fake muslim u kids of america and isreal u will not beleve ALI(as) because tumhare buzurgo ko badar se jamal tak jo mara hai ALI (AS) aur unke khandan ne tum sab abbasiyon ki aulad ho jo hame sha shia ke khoon ke piyase rahe hai
Who gv u this right u bloody dumped joker.. Now u r barking like ur fore-fathers!!
See I shown ur taqqiyah to whole fellows (specially aligarh-ians), u shia alwz abuse wifes of S.A.W., sahaba's etc.. & outwardly shows that we looooove them!
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Do u know how many aligarh-ians reading the conversation b/w u & me? U dumped shia's exposed dear..
kid beta tera baap hoon no no not baap coz meri aulad aysi nahi ho sakti jo MAULA ALI SE ITNA DARTI HO u wahabies u r trained ISREALIES I KNW THAT THE WHOLE WORLD IS READING THAT IS WHY I WANT TO EXPOSE U WAHABIS U R THE SON OF U R GREAT FATHER MR PRESIDENT BUSH............U STATED IN U R PROFILE THAT U R CONVERTED SHIA TELL ME AND NOW GIVE ME ANSWER CLEARLY IN FROUNT OF ALL THAT WHICH FIQRAE JAFARIA U BELONG TO ?????????
Zaidi Sulaimaniyya... dear now stop barking like ur fore-fathers.. Gv answer of my questions or get lost.. U majusi rafidi shia.. Son of ayatullah khoe.. Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula.. See rafidi shia is trying to run-away.. :D Not able to answer any question.. lol.. Dumped kidi shia..! U r dumped dumped dumped dumped dumped dumped dumped dumped... U dont hv any answer of mine!! Till yet u also didn't answer my questions asked in my comments.
mazharzaidi9 go back and worship the 12 fags rapped in green ...the biggest coward is the shia th son of a whore imam who is so fucking ugly and scard he has to hide in a cave ...i usully go and piss on the cave he is hiding in ...he likes it ...go wank over goat sex like the 12th imam e zanana ...
have u read in bukhari it is narated 6 times that prophet asked for pen and paper and umar said quran is enough for us that means he denied prophet and denied ALLAH is muslim and successor and person who faught and won all the battle for islam and muslim is not the successor
Hazrat Umar(ra) didn't gv pen!! Dear atleast try to see & understand hadith from ur rasgulla eyes!!
As I know u shia alwz try to insult sahaba's..
Ok one question for u Why Ali(ra) didn't gv pen? As we know he fought 2000 jins inside well & 1000's of peoples in khaibar & 1000's of peoples in Badr atc.. alone with zulfiqar!!
Then why Ali(ra) didn't come forward to gv pen to S.A.W. & show his sword to others? As ur imams knows future then why he was silent & steped behind?
Yes dear!! but why u think about this words only!!
S.A.W. said the words about Abu Bakr(ra) also which is present in Quran.. Why u shia still abuse him?
& my question to u: Here u r claiming that Ali(ra) was appointed successor but in ur book najahul-balagha... Why Ali(ra) refusing this honour? (see my video again)
mazharzaidi9, why r u running away like this?About kaaba 1st see my video "inside view of kaaba".
Kaaba faced many hardships & one of the final was: when HAJJAJ IBN YUSUF damaged kaaba at the khalifate of ABDULLAH IBN ZUBAIR(ra). & todays kaaba is the same one constructed by Hajjaj afterwards. i.e.why it contains cracks but from outside not internally.
& ur stupid claim of cracking on 22rajab is fake.
Till yet no incidence took place but this theory r used by fool shia's who never seen kaaba.
mazharzaidi9,, I really laugh on ur knowledge.. U asked help from "calmdownall"..!! :D
U alwz try to suppress my friends friend (wafid) bcoz u know he knows very less about hadiths etc..
Wafid's friend request me many times so I decided to dabate with u..
So dear dont runaway just debate face to face with ur only knowledge & I will use mine..
bcoz u hv vast knowledge about shia's & whole world is shia & zakir naik is lair, S.A.W. took Aisha(ra) on his shoulders to exibition(bukhari) etc. :D
Dear mazharzaidi9 try to gv reference from authentic sources not consider the books of barelwis or those one in which no sanad & chain is given bcoz I donot consider any book in which sanad (chain of transmit) is not present..
& dear debate open mindedly!! I said 1st gv the things from Quran then try any other.. & these 800 or 1000AH books has no meaning..
Try to gv reference from bukhari etc. where chain of narration is present & try to open ur mind & think about it..
So dear ALLAH did not gv humans any right to consider anyone kafir, if he fought with S.A.W. bcoz ALLAH is forgiving merciful & ALAH clearly mentioned it in Quran..
clear!!
Before asking the questions atleast try to read Quran dear.. This shows that u hv no knowledge of Quran,, u just think that u asked damaging questions but these question hv no meaning w.r.t. Quran.. 1st try to gain some knowledge from Quran
nam aysa hai ke aap ko kya kaho lykin ek sawal main poochoga aur haan is vedio ka jawab bhi aap ko mil jaye ga KHUDA aap ko bakse agar aap bura na mane to ek sawal main karo::::::::::: ye batao ke ALI A.S ko to aap bhi mante hai aur woh He is the successor of RASOOL E KHUDA (PBUH)jo unki baat na mane woh kafir hua ya nahi jo unse lade(fight)kare woh kafir hai ya nahi?????????????????give me answer aur haan dont ask any questio till my topic is over??????????
1st of all try to comment in english bcoz I want every body can see the conversation b/w us..
2ndly Yes Ali(ra) is our 4th rightly guided khalifa.. But this is not nessecary that whoso ever fought with Ali(ra) was kafir..
& dear remember I alwz take reference from Quran & sahih hadiths (like bukhari, muslim, abu dawood etc..).. & dont try to gv me the hadiths of barelvis as a reference.. clear..
& about fighting of jamal & siffin, the verse already reveled in Quran about two fighting groups of believers.. U can't say that one must be kafir..
read 49:9.. ALLAH clearly says in Quran 49:9 that the two fighting groups can be of believers.. This is only ur foolish concept & fake narrations that one group must be kafir..
And if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah . And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
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zainali57 8 months ago
I know Shias aqeeda is not based on facts but at least they are Muslims and believe on one Allah and his prophet Muhammad (PBUH). They are our brothers who are mis-guided by some opportunists, corrupt munafiqeen. May Allah guide us all and bless us all. JazakAllah
wajidu 1 year ago
Great questions brother Muhammad7787. I think there is no answer to your intelligent questions. May Allah guide us all to learn the true Islam. But one thing I suggest that you must not degrade Hazrat Ali (RA) and Imam Mehdi (RA) because both of them are hounarable personalities. Ali (RA) is one of the beloved sahaba of our beloved prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and it is fact proved by Hadits that Imam Mehdi will emerge and will lead the Muslims against the kafir army. So please keep it in mind.
wajidu 1 year ago
whre u from?can i learn smethng frm?can i c u?
azee110 1 year ago
whre u from? can i learn smethng frm u?
azee110 1 year ago
Q: HOW MAY FATHERS DID UMAR HAD??
OPTIONS: (i) 4 (ii) 5 (iii) 11 (iv) 8
Jao apni tareekh ki kitabain parho, main bata deta hun.
1. Tabri
2. Ibn Asakar
3. Ibn Khaldoon
khs2049 1 year ago
May Allah reward you muhammad 7787 we need people like you educated and intelligent to answer these liars
pakchamp786 1 year ago
umm yeahh, listen you say you believe in allah.. Allah didnt say to make others look bad. "why are you contrdicting the quran?" Why dont you worry about your self and your sins and stop worrying about shias. If you think our religion is fake then god will deal with us,, for now worry about your self. & you make it seem like sunnahs dont make any mistakes or sin..
Were all musilsm.. you make islam look bad. Making your own reilgion look bad who does that!!!!??? there wasnt shia or sunah bk then
alsaedy3o8 2 years ago
same the case of Narrations from Tabiin i.e.
1. Utbah ibn Abi Hakim
2. Salamah ibn Kuhayl
3. Ismail ibn Abd ar-Rahman as-Suddi
4. Mujahid ibn Jabr
All are either liars or given double meanings of same narration on different books!!
So gv some authentic narration from authentic books like bukhari, muslim etc..
Don't try to gv fake references..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
As u can see non narration is authentic!!
Shia writers often quote material of this kind from Sunni sources, seeking to mislead their uninformed Sunni readership by the amount of sources they are able to produce. A general principle that must be kept in mind with regard to such attempts at deception is that any narration is only as good as its chain of narration. Any material quoted must therefore first be authenticated before it can be used to substantiate any argument.
muhammad7787 2 years ago
@muhammad7787 u are posting zaeef rivayats
mohammadhasan47 1 month ago
For example, Abu Hatim describes him as daif al-hadith, munkar al-hadith jiddan (weak in hadith, narrates extremely unique and uncorroborated material), and Ibn Main says about him laysa bi-shay (as a hadith transmitter he amounts to nothing). (Tahdhib al-Kamal vol. 26 p. 37) Ibn Adi concurs with Abu Hatim that he narrates completely uncorroborated material. (al-Kamil vol. 6 p. 114)
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
The isnad in al-Mujam al-Kabir is not free from serious defects. The second narrator in the chain, namely Yahya ibn al-Hasan ibn Furat, is totally unknown (Majma az-Zawaid vol. 9 p. 134), while its fourth narrator, Muhammad ibn Ubaydillah, is regarded as unreliable by the vast majority of critics.
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
In ad-Durr al-Manthur (vol. 2 p. 294), where it is stated as recorded by Ibn Mardawayh, at-Tabrani as well as Abu Nuaym, there is an addition which goes that after reciting the verse S.A.W. said: Praise be to Allah who completed His favour for Ali. This addition must be from the book of either Ibn Mardawayh or Abu Nuaym, since it does not appear in al-Mujam al-Kabir. It is neither in Hilyat al-Awliya of Abu Nuaym, so it must be from another of his works which is not available to us.
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
Before going into that it must first be noted that this narration differs from all of the above versions in that it does not recount the story of the beggar. It only speaks of Rasulullah r waking up from his sleep and reciting this verse. Thereafter he tells Abu Rafi that there will come a people who will fight Ali t , and that it will be incumbent upon people to fight them.
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
4th narrator: Abu Rafi radiyallahu anhu..
This narration too, is recorded by Ibn Mardawayh. Fortunately it is also recorded by at-Tabrani in his work al-Mujam al-Kabir (vol. 1 pp. 320-321), so unlike the previous case, we are in a position to conduct a first-hand investigation into its isnad..
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
@muhammad7787 salaam what sect do you follow akhi
xNxAxZ 1 year ago
The fact that amongst all hadith sources it is only in the relatively late Tafsir of Ibn Mardawayh (who died in the year 410 AH) that this narration appears, is a further indication of its spuriousness.
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
3rd narrator: Ali ibn Abi Talib radiyallahu anhu..
The hadith with Sayyiduna Ali ibn Abi Talib t as its narrator was contained in the Tafsir of Ibn Mardawayh, a source which is no longer extant.
However, Hafiz Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir has stated that this narration, like that of Ammar and Abu Rafi, is unreliable due to the weakness of their isnads and the fact that their narrators are unknown. (Tafsir Ibn Kathir vol. 2 p. 71)
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
He presents his forgery in the name of a completely unknown narrator, Ishaq ibn Abdillah ibn Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Husayn. This name is nowhere traceable in the biographical dictionaries of hadith transmitters. Hasan ibn Zayd, his father Zayd ibn Hasan, and his grandfather Hasan ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra) were historical figures, but it is evident that their association with this hadith is completely fictional, being fabricated as it is by a known forger, Khalid ibn Yazid al-Umari.
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
This isnad suffers from a serious defect. Khalid ibn Yazid al-Umari is an extremely untrustworthy narrator who has been denounced as a liar by Yahya in Main and Abu Hatim ar-Razi. Ibn Hibban says that he transmits forgeries on the authority of trustworthy narrators. Al-Uqayli says that he transmits baseless narrations. (See Lisan al-Mizan vol. 2 pp. 740-743)
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
2nd narrator i.e. AMMAR(ra)
Chain of narration: Muhammad ibn Ali as-Saigh—Khalid ibn Yazid al-Umari—Ishaq ibn Abdilllah ibn Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Husayn—Hasan ibn Zayd—his father Zayd ibn Hasan—his grandfather—Ammar
muhammad7787 2 years ago
This particular chain of narration (as-Suddi as-Saghir, from al-Kalbi, from Abu Salih) became so infamous amongst the ulama that it was given the epithet Silsilat al-Kadhib, meaning the Chain of Mendacity. (See as-Suyuti, Tadrib ar-Rawi vol. 1 p. 181)
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
The third person in this isnad is Muhammad ibn Marwan, who is also known as as-Suddi as-Saghir (the younger Suddi). In him we have another notorious forger whose mendacity was exposed by both his contemporaries and the ulama who came after him. (See Tahdhib al-Kamal vol. 26 pp. 392-394)
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
Two of the statements in his biography are of particular interest here. The one is a statement by his kinsman Abu Janab al-Kalbi who records Abu Salih as saying that he never narrated any tafsir to Muhammad ibn as-Saib. The second is an admission of guilt by Abu Salih. Imam Sufyan ath-Thawri narrates that al-Kalbi said, Whatever tafsir I narrated from Abu Salih is untrue. Do not narrate it from me.
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
The next narrator, Muhammad ibn as-Saib al-Kalbi, was one of the most notorious liars of Kufah. His biography in al-Mizzis Tahdhib al-Kamal is filled with statements of the ulama of his time who denounced him as an extremely unreliable reporter, and even a blatant liar. (See al-Mizzi, Tahdhib al-Kamal vol. 25 pp. 246-253)
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
Chain of narration: Muhammad ibn Marwan — Muhammad ibn as-Saib — Abu Salih — IbnAbbas (See al-Wahidi, Asbab an-Nuzul no. 397)
This isnad is one of the most famous chains of forgery. Each one of the three narrators before Ibn Abbas was a notorious liar. Abu Salih, whose name was Badham or Badhan, was described as a liar by his own student Ismail ibn Abi Khalid. (See Abu Jafar al-Uqayli, ad-Duafa al-Kabir vol. 1 p. 165)
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
These 4 peoples are:
1. Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Abbas radiyallahu anhuma
2. Sayyiduna Ammar ibn Yasir radiyallahu anhu
3. Sayyiduna Ali ibn Abi Talib radiyallahu anhu himself.
4. Sayyiduna Abu Rafiradiyallahu anhu..
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
& the main grounds for forcing the verse out of its context are the narrations which exist, according to which the verse was revealed when Ali(ra) gave his ring to a beggar while in the position of ruku.
I will show u some hadiths about it.. i.e. it is authentic narration or not?
The sources at our disposal contain narrations of the supposed incident whose sanads (chains of narration) go back to four different peoples..
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
As u can see that ALLAH gave same honour to both (S.A.W. & Abu Bakr(ra)) of "sahibi".. Means extreme close & highly honored one..
So is it clear my dear!!
muhammad7787 2 years ago
Quran 53:1-2 says- Waalnnajmi itha hawa Ma dalla "sahibukum" wama ghawa..
Translation: "By the star when it goes down, (or vanishes). Your ""companion (Muhammad SAW)"" has neither gone astray nor has erred."
As u can see here word "sahib" is used for S.A.W. by ALLAH when the kuffar don't listen Quran & says that there is no verse reveled by ALLAH but it is S.A.W. who make verses himself (nauzubillah)..
Like todays shia, who say Quranic verses are not original & destorted by sahaba's.. lol..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
As u can see ALLAH said three times in Quran 15:9, 56:77-80, 85:21-22.. that ALLAH is protecting Quran from all tahreefs either arranging or disarranging..
This show that u r like jews & christians..
U r not ummah of S.A.W. bcoz u believe that Quran is distorted (minorily or majorily)..
Why u believe this! All knows bcoz ur practises alwz contradict Quran & sunnah of S.A.W.
& dear 1st of all believe in ALLAH's word that he said Quran is protected, so Quran is protected with zero-doubt..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
And about tahreef in Quran!! Dear as all know shia's beliefs contradict Quran, so shia says Quran is not correct.. lol..
QURAN says:
Absolutely, we have revealed the Reminder [the Quran], and, We verily are its Guardian; we will preserve it. (Quran, 15:9)
This is an honorable Quran in a protected book, well-guarded. A revelation from the Lord of the universe. (Quran, 56:77-80)
Indeed, it is a glorious Quran, in a preserved master tablet. (Quran, 85:21-22).
muhammad7787 2 years ago
No!! bcoz sunni still says all sahaba's are closer to the heart of S.A.W.
If sunni starts talking like u stupid guys then u will go bump!!
If again u say that no Ali(ra) is only wali.. Then show me any verse which ALLAH used for Ali(ra) for showing him extreme closeness with S.A.W. in Quran.. & remember before showing any verse first of all try to learn arabic..
& I know u will try to gv me the incidence of mubahila.. But before gving that verse try to see the word used for Ali(ra) in arabic.
muhammad7787 2 years ago
In 9:40 u can see ALLAH used "yaqoolu lisahibihi " for Abu Bakr(ra) means "he said to his companion".
In arabic word "lisahibihi" word is used to show extreme closeness. So as u can see ALLAH said Abu Bakr(ra) as "lisahibihi" of S.A.W. & u shia say him kafir means shia r agains ALLAH's words.
As I follower of Quran, showed u the verse which says Abu Bakr(ra) as "lisahibihi of S.A.W", & this word of extreme closeness is not used for anybody in Quran by ALLAH.
Does this is not sign of wilayah?
muhammad7787 2 years ago
" Then Allah sent down His Sakeenah (calmness, tranquillity, peace, etc.) upon him, and strengthened him with forces (angels) which you saw not, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while it was the Word of Allah that became the uppermost, and Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
If u still argue then, ALLAH also says about Abu Bakr(ra) in Quran 9:40- If you help him not, for Allah did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of two, when they (Muhammad SAW and abu bakr) were in the cave, and he (SAW) said to his companion (abu bakr): "Be not sad (or afraid), surely Allah is with us.
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
If ALLAH want to appoint Ali(ra) as devine imam then ALLAH clearly told his name bcoz ALLAH donot misguide ummah..
Quran 9:115: And Allah will never lead a people astray/misguide after He has guided them until He makes clear to them as to what they should avoid. Verily, Allah is the All-Knower of everything.
Here it is clear ALLAH donot gv hints but show the clear signs as the case of S.A.W. ALLAH clearly declaired S.A.W. as seal of prophet in Quran.
1st try to go beyond wilayah concept.
muhammad7787 2 years ago
5:51: O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust).
Here ALLAH want to say that not take non-believers as ur helpers but take believers as ur helpers..
In 5:55 ALLAH is talking about helper not divine imam..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
Wali means friend here is the proof:
In verse 5:51 Allah says:
Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo la tattakhithoo alyahooda waalnnasara ""awliyaa"" baAAduhum awliyao baAAdin waman yatawallahum minkum fa-innahu minhum inna Allaha la yahdee alqawma alththalimeena..
As u see above ""awliya"" is a plural of wali.. Jews & Christians are the awliya of one another. Whoever amongst you takes them as his awliya is one of them. Verily Allah does not guide the unjust people..
Here what u say?
muhammad7787 2 years ago
[Shakir 5:55] Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow.
[Pickthal 5:55] Your guardian can be only Allah; and His messenger and those who believe, who establish worship and pay the poordue, and bow down (in prayer).
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Dear 1st thing stop copy-pasting the comments from facebook etc..
2ndly: said in Quran 5:55 "Those who believe" is in the plural form. How can it be applicable to an individual?"
Yes that what I said: How it can be only Ali(ra) alone? Here all believers are included..
Can u proof that at that time only Ali(ra) pray alone with S.A.W.?
3rd ALLAH is only wali.. Dear 1st go & clear ur arabic.. In arabic Wilayah also means Friendship.. & here ALLAH is talking about friendship.
muhammad7787 2 years ago
UniversalFortress,, one advise for u.. I belong to ahle-sunnah wal jamah.. SO try to gv authentic references.. like bukhari, muslim etc.. where chain of narrations are given..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
All the commentators unanimously hold, as Qushaji admits in the Sharh al Tajrid on the subject of imamat, that this verse refers to Ali when he gave his ring to a beggar while bowing down in the course of his prayers. Nasa-i has also recorded this tradition in his Sahihah al Nasa-i, and so has the author of Al Jama Bayn al Sihah al Sittah (corroboration of the six authentic books)
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
UniversalFortress,, where are u?
U did not replied me!!? Why?
U said earlier to me: ""let's discuss those topics(your questions one by one, step by step)
let's start on the ayah wilayat( Qur'an 5:55)
would you agree?""
& I discused from Quranic concept that 5:55 is not a proof of wilayat of Ali(ra).. So I disagreed & proved my words from Quran itself..
Now I ask u,, what u will say here? Show me other ayat of wilayah in Quran..
Now ask me other question dear..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
@muhammad7787 2:153:O you who believe! seek assistance through patience and prayer; surely Allah is with the patient.
Commentry:Wasta-inu (seek help) applies to worldly as well as spiritual matters as stated in verse 5 of al Fatihah. Sabr (patience) and salat(prayer) curb vain desires, pride and self-indulgence and lead to humility, acceptance and obedience. The Arabic word sabr has many shades of implied suggestions - willingness to endure, submission,self-control, serenity poise(continue)
mohammadhasan47 1 month ago
@muhammad7787 and ability to continue Salat has been explained in verse 3 of this surah. To liberate the human ego from the clutches of the excessive attachment to bodily wants and material success, a refined discipline has to be built through subordinating the body to the control of the spiritual energy, otherwise mere formal rituals and recitation of chants and charms do not help man to rise above the level of animal life, as has been shown by Ali ibna abi Talib The whole world bears(continue)
mohammadhasan47 1 month ago
@muhammad7787 witness to the fact that in wisdom, spiritual achievements, and bodily strength there is no one who can be compared with him. He stands high and above in the select company of the most devoted servants of Allah. The lives of the Holy Prophet, Bibi Fatimah, his daughter and the Holy Imams is a brilliant light which throws light on the path to be followed by the sincere faithful who seek assistance (wasta-inu) to build up the balanced character mentioned above (continue)
mohammadhasan47 1 month ago
@muhammad7787 and referred to in this verse. It is reported that whenever the Holy Prophet or any of the holy Imams, or Bibi Fatimah faced any difficulty, they prayed salat and sought Allah's help and its take long descrption to understand this verse
mohammadhasan47 1 month ago
in discussion of the commentary on al Ma-idah, and so does Tha-labi in his Tafsir Kabir, and al Balakhi in his Yanabi has copied it from Ahmad bin Hanbal's Musnad, vol. 5, margin of p. 38. Please refer to the commentary on this verse in Wahidi's book Asbab al Nuzul (the circumstances of descent) which contains the tradition related by Ibn Abbas.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Al Khatib has recorded the tradition in Al Muttafiq, and Ibn Marduwayh and Abu Shaykh in their Musnads. It is mentioned in Kanz al Ummal, vol. 6, p. 391, tradition no. 5991. In Ghayah al Maram, chapter 18, there are twenty four traditions from sources other than the Ahl ul Bayt, all supporting the above statement about the descent of this verse.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
When Abi Ishaq Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Ibrahim Naysaburi al Tha-labi reached this verse he recorded the following in his Tafsir al Kabir on the authority of Abu Dharr al Ghifari, who said "Both of my ears may turn deaf and both my eyes may become blind if I speak a lie.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
I heard the Holy Prophet saying, 'Ali is the guide of the righteous and the slayer of the infidels. He who has helped him is victorious and he who has abandoned him is forsaken'. One day I said my prayers in the company of the Holy Prophet; a beggar came to the masjid and begged for alms, but nobody gave him anything. Ali was in a state of ruku in the prayer. He pointed out his ring to the beggar, who approached him and removed the ring from his finger.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Thereupon the Holy Prophet implored Allah, saying: 'O Allah! My brother Musa begged You saying: My Lord, delight my heart and make my task easy and undo the knot in my tongue so that they may understand me,
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
and appoint from among my kinsmen, Harun, my brother, as my vizier, and strengthen my back with him and make him participate in my mission so that we may glorify You and remember You more frequently. Certainly You see us-and You inspired him: O Musa! All your requests have been granted.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
(The Holy Prophet continued) Delight my heart and make my task easy and appoint from among my kinsmen Ali as my vizier and strengthen my back with him'. (Abu Dhar proceeds) By Allah, the Holy Prophet had not yet finished his supplication when the trustworthy Jibril descended to him with this verse". (Ibn Khallikan says that Al Tha-labi was unique as a commentator of the Quran and his Tafsir al Kabir is superior to all other Tafsirs).
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
In this verse the word wali has been used in the meaning of guardian or master or who holds authority superior to others. Please refer to the origin of the word wali in Sihah or Mukhtar al Sihah or any other good dictionary. The lexicographers have explained that he who manages the affairs of and exercises authority for another person is the wali of that person.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
This verse, therefore, means that those who manage the affairs of the people (mankind) are superior to all men, and certainly they are Allah, His messenger, the Holy Prophet, and Ali, who possesses all the qualifications enumerated in this verse. Allah has simultaneously confirmed His wilayah (superior authority), that of His prophet and his wali (Ali) in unbroken succession.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Allah's wilayah is universal, so likewise, the wilayah of the Holy Prophet and his wali (Ali) must be so. It is not possible to assign to the word wali in this verse the meaning of a helper or a friend, etcetera, for help and friendship are not confined to these three only.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
All the faithful men and women, according to the holy book, are friends and helpers of one another. It is as obvious as can be that the word wali in this verse means, guardian, ruler, possessor of superior authority. It is in this sense that the word wali has been used by the Holy Prophet in the abovenoted tradition related by Al Tha-labi in his Tafsir al Kabir on the authority of Abu Dharr al Ghifari whom the Holy Prophet had given the title of siddiq (the truthful).
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
There are other authentic traditions, given below, in which the word wali indicates its true meaning:
(i) Abu Dawud al Tayalisi has recorded in Isti-ab on the authority of Ibn Abbas, who said: "The Holy Prophet said to Ali, 'You are the master (wali) of the faithful after me'."
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
(ii) After an expedition, under the command of Ali, some of the men, who went with him, complained to the Holy Prophet about Ali's refusal to oblige them favourably. The Holy Prophet turned to them with signs of displeasure on his face and said: "What do you want to do to Ali? Surely Ali is from me and I am from him, and after me he is the master (wali) of all the faithful."
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Nasa-i has recorded it in his Khasa-is al Alawiyyah, p. 17, Ahmad ibn Hanbal in his Musnad, vol. 4, p. 438; Hakim in Mustadrak, vol. 11, p. 11; Al Dhahabi in his Talkhis al Mustadrak; Ibn Shaybah and Jarir both have recorded it from whom Muttaqi of India has copied it in his Kanz al Ummal, vol. 6, p. 400; Tirmidhi has recorded it from Asqalani, mentioned in his account of Ali in his Isabah;
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Ibn Hadid has copied it from Tirmidhi in his Sharh al Nahj al Balagha, vol. 2, p. 450.
(iii) The Holy Prophet said to Buraydah:
"Am I not a more privileged master (mawla or wali) of the lives of the faithful than the faithful themselves? Ali is the master (wali or mawla) of those who believe me to be their master."
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Ahmad ibn Hanbal has recorded it in his Musnad, vol. 5, p. 356, Hakim has recorded it in his Mustadrak, vol. 3, p. 110, besides many other traditionists.
(iv) The Holy Prophet said:
"O Ali! After me you are the master of all the faithful."
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Hakim has recorded this tradition as reported by Ibn Abbas in his Mustadrak, vol. 3, p. 134; and Dhahabi in his Talkhis; Nasa-i in Khasa-is al Alawiyyah p. 6; Ahmad ibn Hanbal in Musnad vol. 1, p. 331.
"Ali is your wali after me", means that Ali and none else will be the master of the faithful after the Holy Prophet.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
It confines in Ali the authority to manage the affairs of the ummah after him. It is, therefore, necessary to attach the same meaning to the word wali and to understand it in the same sense as has been pointed out above. Help, affection, love, friendship are not confined to any one person. All faithful men and women love and are friends of one another. If the meaning of wali is taken as helper or friend,
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
then why the Holy Prophet took so much interest in, and attached so much importance to, clarifying emphatically what was obvious and evident, so as to repeat the declaration off and on? His perfect wisdom, his thorough impeccability and termination with him of the prophethood make him far above the indulgence of explaining the self-evident, emphasising the obvious and making unnecessary repetitions.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Besides, the traditions lay down clearly that Ali is or will be master of the nation after the Holy Prophet, and this makes it all the more necessary to understand the word wali in the same sense and fix for it the same meaning as has been stated above.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
The abovenoted traditionists, commentators and historians also deal with the word wali or mawla as the "more privileged master of the lives of the faithful than the faithful themselves."
"Those who believe" is in the plural form. How can it be applicable to an individual?
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
All the annotators, traditionists and historians agree that it was Na-im ibn Mas-ud al Ashja-i, whom Abu Sufyan gave ten camels for discouraging the Muslim, said to them: "Fear your enemies who have united against you and gathered in large numbers to attack you" (Ali Imran: 173), but in this verse "people said to them" (a plural form) has been used.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
It was Ghawrath from the tribe of Banu Maharib, some scholars say, while others say that it was Umar ibn Jahash of the tribe of Banu Nadir, (a single man) single man) who drew out his sword to strike the Holy Prophet, but verse 11 of al Ma-idah describes it as "when a group of persons became so bold as to stretch their hands to you"-in plural form. Verse 120 of al Nahl says: "Ibrahim was certainly a people obedient to Allah".
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
There are plenty of other examples of using the plural form for an individual.
Tabrasi, while commenting on this verse in his Majma al Bayan, says: "The plural form has been used for Ali in order to express his glory and eminence ."
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Zamakhshari, in his Tafsir al Kashshaf, says:
"If you inquire how this plural word is applicable to Ali, who is an individual, I shall say that though this verse is about Ali, an individual, the plural form is used in order to persuade others to act similarly and give alms as readily as Ali did."
The Imams among the Ahl ul Bayt have frequently referred to this verse as a proof of their rightful imamat and have assigned the same meaning to the word wali as we have stated.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
The word innama makes the decision of Allah (that He, the Holy Prophet and Ali alone are the masters of the believers) final and decisive. The construction of the sentence and the word wali, used in singular for all the three, means that wilayah of all the three is essentially one in nature as well as in effect.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Therefore, obedience to the Holy Prophet must be as it should be to Allah, and obedience to Ali and his successors (the Imams among the Ahl ul Bayt) must be as it should be to the Holy Prophet.
Wa hum raki-un is an adverbial clause qualifying the manner in which the alms were given. If it is taken as a conjunctive clause, then yuqimunas salat or this clause becomes an unnecessary repetition.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
In fact this verse points out the highest state of spiritual attainment-fully absorbed in witnessing the glory of the absolute Lord and at the same time alive to the needs of His servants so as to solve them at once to their full satisfaction- which alone entitles a man to be a master like the eternal master, the almighty Allah.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
The Quran a asserts this possibility for such a man, not for all the followers because they have been addressed in
second person (kum). The plural term "those who believe" is used to include the Imams among the Ahl ul Bayt in the same way as has been done in verse 61 of Ali Imran (Mubahilah).
Please also refer to verse 67 of this surah for the event of Ghadir Khum where the Holy Prophet openly declared Ali as the wali or mawla of the faithfuls just as the Holy Prophet himself is.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
The entire Muslim nation is unanimous that when the verses of the Quran were collected they were not arranged in the same order in which they descended. There is many a verse occurring in an irrelevant context, for instance, the verse of purification, which occurs in the account of the wives of the Holy Prophet, but actually is in praise of the five persons of al kisa, as has been universally admitted.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
All Muslims are agreed that arguments are to be preferred to the context, and whenever the implication of the context was opposed to the implication of arguments they ignored the context and yielded to the arguments, because they were doubtful about the context in which a certain verse occurs.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
DID I SAY
" Kitab Al-Kafi, Bihar-ul-anwar najahul balagha etc.. r not authentic?'???
WHERE DID I SAY THAT MAN????
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
If not said then gv answer man!! :)
muhammad7787 2 years ago
this was truely funny video! it's simply shows the ignorance of the person who was responsibled in making this video!
shia from the corners of the world firmly beleive that ONLY THE HOLY QUR'AN IS THE 100% PURE & AUTHENTIC ON ITS ENTIRE CONTENTS!
NO HADITHS WERE CONSIDERED AS 100% AUTHENTIC ON IT'S WHOLE CONTENTS! SO FUNNY!
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
shia said that Quran is distorded.
watch?v=AOtACXi74F8&feature=channel_page
dralsasa77 2 years ago
UniversalFortress,, I really laugh on ur faith.. U said Kitab Al-Kafi, Bihar-ul-anwar najahul balagha etc.. r not authentic?
Then how ur faith is proceeding? U hv no authentic hadiths? U said that ur 1st publish hadith as not 100% authentic? Then I ask u 1 question: Do u hv any sahih hadith?
Don't show ur ignorance kid..
& about Quranic verses dear 1st blaim ur ayatullah's & read their book,, then come again & argue about it..
Poor Taqqiyah practising boy..
So funny.. lol..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
we only accept any NARRATIONS of hadith if doesn't contradict any verses from the HOLY100% QUR'AN! BECUSE WE ONLY BELEIVE THAT IT'S ONLY THE WORLD OF ALLAH(S0 9GOD0 IS THE 100% AUTHENTIC ON IT'S ENTIRE CONTENTS!
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Means u never accept any hadith which contradict with Quran. Good.
Now gv answer of my question:
1. Why u still consider Ali(ra) as appointed divine wali? Bcoz Quran says ALLAH is only Wali..!!
2. Why u practise mutah? Quran says marriage for only sex is not permissible!!
3. Why u do matam/mourn? Quran says shahids are not dead but alive!! Means ALLAH saying ur imams are alive & u do matam for alive imams!!
Dear plz answer my questions from Quran bcoz u r great follower of Quran only..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
question #1 (see qur'an 5:55)
- who was the only man at the time of the holy prophet muhammed(puh&hf) who gave zakat ( pay poor, charity etc.) while on sujud?! based on your sahih (free of lie* & error sunni hadiths)?!
come on...?
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Is Quran 5:55 is the verse of wilayat of Ali(ra)?
Quran 5:55- Verily, your Walî (Protector or Helper) is Allâh, His Messenger, and the believers, - those who perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, and they bow down (submit themselves with obedience to Allâh in prayer).
In this verse ALLAH is saying he is protector of those believers who pray, gv zakat & bow down only for ALLAH..
As u can clearly see it is "و" in arabic means "and"..
Where u find ALi(ra) here?
muhammad7787 2 years ago
let's discuss those topics(your questions one by one, step by step)
let's start on the ayah wilayat( Qur'an 5:55) would you agree?
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
question# 2. Why u practise mutah?
universalF; because the holy qur'an allows it !& didn't prohibits! and according to your sunni sahih(free of lie& error) hadith ; the holy prophet of islam& your "sahabah" did practice it !
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Gv mutah supporting verse of Quran.. & don't bark like it..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
.question#3 Why u do matam/mourn?
universalF; the memories of the heros, saviors of Islam (ahlulbayt) A. shall remain forever!!!! QUR'AN COMMANDED US TO LOVE & TAKE CARE OF THE MUSLIMS (AHLULBAYTS(A) also according to your most authentic (free of lie& error) sunni hadiths.
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Oh great u mourn bcoz they are heros.. & what ALLAH want to say in 2:135?
Means in view of ALLAH those who slained for the sake of ALLAH are not heros? U such a dump guy..
2ndly: Quran comamded us to love & take care of ahle-bayt!! Means by doing matam (going besides the words of ALLAH & by contradicting Quran) u are taking care?
Dear ALLAH also said stick to my book & follow it bcoz this will take u to the right path.. & ur practises alwz against Quran!!
muhammad7787 2 years ago
this was truely funny video! it's simply shows the ignorance of the person who was responsibled in making this video!
shia from the corners of the world firmly beleive that
UniversalFortress 2 years ago
Open Challenge For Our Brothers (Sunni) watch?v=44gbIBV7-YA&feature=channel_page & more questions added here watch?v=zstX6VhScsA&feature=channel_page
ayasalman 2 years ago
Ayasalman.. Ok we make a deal..
1st u answer my this video then surely I will answer mohammad2k8's questions.. Then u answer my 2nd video & I also answer 2nd video of ur brother.. Ok.. :)
remember all question of each video..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
pfft that is no deal..why don't u two go video to video against one another huh? Have him answer ur questions and u answer his..eh? Now that is a deal..i didn't make his video..u just want a piece of me soo bad don't u? ur a sick perv
ayasalman 2 years ago
Aya.. I think u should ask that questions to ur sunni husband & my ques. to ur mutah shia mate.. :D
Poor rafidi girl converted to shia mazhab.. lol.. Neither know anything about shia nor sunni mazhab..
Such a sucking liar..
I think ur duty is only to do mutah,, as more as possible.. Mutah lover girl.. lol..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
LOL muhamad7787 is TOO Afraid to answer mohammed2k8's questions..chicken..Sorry i don't have a muta shia mate..but since u talk about it a lot u must have one...Oh now ur coming down and started to insult ur as low as Yazid (la) and Muawiyah (L) I converted to Islam. I know a lot about sunni and shia Islam..probably a lot more then u do. Yes I know ur a liar. My duty is to worship Allah and obey the Messenger..but that is not ur duty..ur duty is to insult ppl and disobey Allah. munafiq
ayasalman 2 years ago
may Allah bless u brother
very good video
dralsasa77 2 years ago
Sher arz hai rafidi mazharzaidi9 par, allama iqbal ka:
Waza (nature) me tum ho nasara (christian), to tanaddun (culture) me hunud (hindu).. Yeh wo musalma he jine dekh k sharmay yahud (jew)..
:D
See mazharzaidi9 is not able to answer any of my question.. His duty is just to bark like a majlisi majusi kid..
He wants to deviate from topic bcoz he has no answer at all... lol..
One more rafidi dumped...
& run-away like his fore-fathers..!!
muhammad7787 2 years ago
plz dont say it again that read Quran why u say again again this i warned u
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
Ok.. I will not say this again.. That atleast try to read Quran!!
But 1st u answer my 2 questions:
What Quran says about Abu Bakr(ra)? What is the seerat of Abu Bakr(ra) according to Quran?
& also of other sahaba's..?
:D
muhammad7787 2 years ago
there is nothing in quran abt abu bakr u r trying to decive peoples
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
There is nothing in Quran about Abu Bakr(ra)!!? lol.
This shows u never read Quran in ur life. :D
Ok another ques.: Tell me who is the one did Hijrat with S.A.W. & hide inside cave with S.A.W. when kuffar wants to kill them both?
If don't know watch movie "THE MESSAGE" which is approved by "shia congress of Lebanon".
Tum apne apko mulana mante ho.. Tum 21vi sadi k mulla,kya tamez he tumhe!!
U dump kid don't know any thing about ur own faith? :(
Or yahi apni oqad mat dikhao..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
HEY MR FAKE "R U CONVERTED FRM SHIA TO SUNNI" DONT TELL A LIE EXPLAIN ME UR COMPLETE SHAJRA AND TELL ME COMPLETE ABT UR KHANDAN ........ NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY U WERE NOT AGREEING WID MY FACTS COZ U R A FAKE PERSON IF NOT GVE ME COMPLETE KNOWLEDGE ABT U AND IN OPEN FORUM...then i will talk to u againg otherwise not
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
Dear my family is not like urs..
Creating videos & pasting on youtube!!
& dear this is not ur business..
& dont run-away like that just saying that u will not answer my questions if I didn't tell u this & that!!
Till yet how many questions I asked u & u gv me answer?
Till yet u didn't answer any of my question from video (which u promised earlier!!)
Try to be straight dear, & don't run away like ignorent peoples..
U r here to answer my questions bcoz u r challanged by me..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
ok that means that u accept that in ghadeer e khum ALI AS was declared as "MAULA" of all muslim or belevers of prophet PBUH.......plz check and let me knw the meanings of ""maula"" from u r Arabic lugath.......and plz dont delete my comment it is an open forum....
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
muhammad7787 2 years ago
mazharzaidi9,, where r u???
Till yet u didn't answered any of my question!
& now u stoped asking question to me!! Why?
Atleast try to be faithful from ur tongue.
Answer all my questions (as u promised before).. But till yet no responce?
Where is ur dawah!! that all shia's are shia bcoz they hv complete knowledge of Quran & hadiths!! & bla..bla..
1 question for u: Do u ever tried to read Quran sincerely? & seen word mawla in Quran before?
1/2
muhammad7787 2 years ago
If u ever tried to understand Quran before sincerely then u realise what S.A.W. want to say about Ali(ra) in Ghadeer-e-khum by statement "man kuntu mawlah fa Ali mawlah"?
My advise to u,, try to understand Quran sincerely & start from begining..
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
it is clearly written in the QURAN and also accepted by all the muslim scholars (shias and sunnis both) that what so ever ALLAH'S PROPHET(pbuh) says is through "wahi" (now plz dont give a new meaning of wahi which is written in the book of wahabis or Israels)so, if prophet (PBUH)coming from his last hajj stopped the complete gathering of muslims and delevered this "WAHI" for ALI (AS)
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
(as u also accepted) "MAN KUNTO MAULA FA HAZA ALI UN MAULA" (check a authentic arbic lugath and let me knw the meaning).. so these words said by prophet (pbuh) are the words of ALLAH..
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
and now a warning "dont advice me again to read QURAN because what so ever i m saying is clearly authentic and i m giving u the proof frm sunni scholars' book.......i dont understand one thing why u all sunnis come to one belief some r barelvi some r deobandi is the islam started in india that u have got head offices in india
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
just have one belief like US we have got only one firqa....if i give the example from a book u said it is written by barelvi i dont knw barelvi and deobandi i only the he is sunni scholar and he is frm u sunni.... one more why barelvi has accepted US.... but ONLY wahabis AND JEWS (WAHODI) DIDNT accept that what so ever we say it is correct
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
R U REALLY FROM ISRAEL i dont xcept dis coz u guy still read same QURAN and u Still believe is Same Prophet (pbuh) that we do i knw we have got differences but u r from us not UAHODIS OR NASARA... and if a person ACCEPT QURAN AND PROPHET (PBUH) OF ALLAH HE IS MUSLIM...
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
Dear I told u earlier..
I belong to ahle-sunnah wal jamah..
& we believe only on those hadiths which have full proof sanad (chain of narration)..
e.g. bukhari, muslim etc..
U alwz try to gv me those hadiths where no chain is present, & these hadith donot hv any importance..
I said u this earlier also..
But u r still ignorent about it!!
So try to think & understand it..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
we dont believe in muslim bukhari who wrote these a person who is not present at that time in bukhari all hawalas are by abu bakar, uaman, aysha, talah zubair, omar these all are the enimies of ALI (AS) and janabe Fatima......
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
Oh yeh....
U dont believe in Bukhari, muslim!!!
Mr. zaidi,, plz I advise u to gv me the date of publication of ur authentic haaaaadiths like al-kafi, najahul-balagha, bihar-ul-anwar etc..
Plz tell me as soon as possible.. I m waiting :D
Kid.. Now u are showing ur auqad (ignorence)..
Till yet u r not able to answer any of my question as u know u r dumped dear !~!
Now showing ur ignorence & weeping like a majlisi kid..
Dear answer my questions or accept ur faith fake..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
my faith is the best and i m from the shia of ALI (AS) u r the shai of abu bakr umar aysha usmain maviya and other fake muslim......they were the fake muslim and now u wahabies r the fake muslim u kids of america and isreal u will not beleve ALI(as) because tumhare buzurgo ko badar se jamal tak jo mara hai ALI (AS) aur unke khandan ne tum sab abbasiyon ki aulad ho jo hame sha shia ke khoon ke piyase rahe hai
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago 2
Kidi poor fellow..
Who r u to tell what faith they followed!!?
Who gv u this right u bloody dumped joker.. Now u r barking like ur fore-fathers!!
See I shown ur taqqiyah to whole fellows (specially aligarh-ians), u shia alwz abuse wifes of S.A.W., sahaba's etc.. & outwardly shows that we looooove them!
:(
Do u know how many aligarh-ians reading the conversation b/w u & me? U dumped shia's exposed dear..
Sorry dear but what can I do? :D
muhammad7787 2 years ago
kid beta tera baap hoon no no not baap coz meri aulad aysi nahi ho sakti jo MAULA ALI SE ITNA DARTI HO u wahabies u r trained ISREALIES I KNW THAT THE WHOLE WORLD IS READING THAT IS WHY I WANT TO EXPOSE U WAHABIS U R THE SON OF U R GREAT FATHER MR PRESIDENT BUSH............U STATED IN U R PROFILE THAT U R CONVERTED SHIA TELL ME AND NOW GIVE ME ANSWER CLEARLY IN FROUNT OF ALL THAT WHICH FIQRAE JAFARIA U BELONG TO ?????????
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago 2
muhammad7787 2 years ago
mazharzaidi9,, where r u??
R u there? Where r u?
I think he ran-away like his fore-fathers!!
No wonder,, he is not the 1st to run-away like this.. :D
Finally he is stunned!! lol..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
mazharzaidi9 go back and worship the 12 fags rapped in green ...the biggest coward is the shia th son of a whore imam who is so fucking ugly and scard he has to hide in a cave ...i usully go and piss on the cave he is hiding in ...he likes it ...go wank over goat sex like the 12th imam e zanana ...
ya 12th son of a million pigs madad
ya narjis slut madad
IamThe12thImam 2 years ago
Why I advise u to read Quran? bcoz u were editing hadiths... claiming that Ali(ra) was wali from word "mawla"!!
In Quran word maula is used.. Did u ever seen it? If yes then tell me!!
muhammad7787 2 years ago
yes the word maula used in quran but wid different meaning................. understand........
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula ..
Now u undersatnd the meaning of Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula Maula!!
Dear ur story of ghadeer-e-khum gone dumped here in view of Quran!!
muhammad7787 2 years ago
abe jab ALI (AS) se jalte ho to un ko 4th kalifa kyon mante ho hum kafi hai unhe mane ke liye plz unka peecha choor do
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
hey kid mazharzaidi9,, Now u r acting like a bloody stupid joker..
U dumped dear!!
No answer of my questions only barking like a majlisi boy..
Ur mentality is really narrow..
From initial I know that u dumped shia not able to answer my question..
Now just go & mourn on 21st ramadan..
Fake mazhab.. lol..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
have u read in bukhari it is narated 6 times that prophet asked for pen and paper and umar said quran is enough for us that means he denied prophet and denied ALLAH is muslim and successor and person who faught and won all the battle for islam and muslim is not the successor
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
Why u alwz weep?
Hazrat Umar(ra) didn't gv pen!! Dear atleast try to see & understand hadith from ur rasgulla eyes!!
As I know u shia alwz try to insult sahaba's..
Ok one question for u Why Ali(ra) didn't gv pen? As we know he fought 2000 jins inside well & 1000's of peoples in khaibar & 1000's of peoples in Badr atc.. alone with zulfiqar!!
Then why Ali(ra) didn't come forward to gv pen to S.A.W. & show his sword to others? As ur imams knows future then why he was silent & steped behind?
muhammad7787 2 years ago
mazharzaidi9,, atleast try to think & answer all my questions in my video.. As u promised me earlier..
Plz yaar!! :(
muhammad7787 2 years ago
Yes dear!! but why u think about this words only!!
S.A.W. said the words about Abu Bakr(ra) also which is present in Quran.. Why u shia still abuse him?
& my question to u: Here u r claiming that Ali(ra) was appointed successor but in ur book najahul-balagha... Why Ali(ra) refusing this honour? (see my video again)
muhammad7787 2 years ago
Check out Quran for the word "mawla"..
Surat Al-hadid (The Iron), verse 15
Surat Muhammad, verse 11
Surat At-tahrim ,verse 4..
Atleast now try to read Quran & understand it!!
see ur personal msg.
muhammad7787 2 years ago
Which wahi speaciaaly for Ali(ra) u r talking about? Atleast try to gv the quranic verse no.!!
& why S.A.W. stop muslims on ghadeer-e-khum read:
Sahih Muslim Book 031, Number 5920.
Bukhari volume 5, Book 59 Number 637
& check ur personal msg box for it..
muhammad7787 2 years ago
Holy Prophet (s) said:
"Ali is from me and I am from Ali and after me he is? the guardian (Wali) of every true believer."
Sunan Tirmidhi, volume 2, page 298, published in Egypt.
Mishkaat al Masabeeh, page 564, published in Delhi.
Mustadrak al-Hakim, volume 3, page 111, published by Daira al-Ma'arif, Hyderabad Deccan.
Marqaat Sharh Mashkaat, volume 11, page 340, published in Multan.
Sawaiq al-Muhriqa, page 122, published in Egypt.
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
Sunan Tirmidhi, volume 2, page 298
علي مني وأنا من علي ، وبعد لي انه مولى كل مؤمن حقيقي
This sermon took place after Ghadeer-e-khum..
Here S.A.W. clearly used word "mawla" not "wali"!!
muhammad7787 2 years ago
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mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
mazharzaidi9, why r u running away like this?About kaaba 1st see my video "inside view of kaaba".
Kaaba faced many hardships & one of the final was: when HAJJAJ IBN YUSUF damaged kaaba at the khalifate of ABDULLAH IBN ZUBAIR(ra). & todays kaaba is the same one constructed by Hajjaj afterwards. i.e.why it contains cracks but from outside not internally.
& ur stupid claim of cracking on 22rajab is fake.
Till yet no incidence took place but this theory r used by fool shia's who never seen kaaba.
muhammad7787 2 years ago
mazharzaidi9,, I really laugh on ur knowledge.. U asked help from "calmdownall"..!! :D
U alwz try to suppress my friends friend (wafid) bcoz u know he knows very less about hadiths etc..
Wafid's friend request me many times so I decided to dabate with u..
So dear dont runaway just debate face to face with ur only knowledge & I will use mine..
bcoz u hv vast knowledge about shia's & whole world is shia & zakir naik is lair, S.A.W. took Aisha(ra) on his shoulders to exibition(bukhari) etc. :D
muhammad7787 2 years ago
1stly dont try to send me personal msg bcoz this debate is open..
Dear these books has no meaning for me..
Atleast try to differentiate b/w ahle-sunnah wal jamah & barelwis..
2nd R u talking about Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani??!!
If yes then Allama Asqlaanee wrote his book after 852 A.H!!
So he has no meaning for me or any other sunni..
& about Shaikh Abdullah Maraghee, I dont know anything about him! But I know that he wrote his book after 1000AH!
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
Dear mazharzaidi9 try to gv reference from authentic sources not consider the books of barelwis or those one in which no sanad & chain is given bcoz I donot consider any book in which sanad (chain of transmit) is not present..
& dear debate open mindedly!! I said 1st gv the things from Quran then try any other.. & these 800 or 1000AH books has no meaning..
Try to gv reference from bukhari etc. where chain of narration is present & try to open ur mind & think about it..
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
ok i will talk to u in english.ok can u tell me that the person who fight with Muhammad (PBUH) is kafir or not???????
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
Which believer fought with S.A.W.? Dear dont try to gv fairy stories!!
In my knowledge no believer fought with S.A.W. but only fighting took place b/w S.A.W. & kuffars..
& ALLAH many times said in Quran that ALLAH will forgive those persons who fought against S.A.W. if they accept islam..
One of it is in Surah Al-Anfal, verse 70..
ALLAH clearly said whosoever fought with S.A.W. will be forgived if they accept there sin & do tauba for it..
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
So dear ALLAH did not gv humans any right to consider anyone kafir, if he fought with S.A.W. bcoz ALLAH is forgiving merciful & ALAH clearly mentioned it in Quran..
clear!!
Before asking the questions atleast try to read Quran dear.. This shows that u hv no knowledge of Quran,, u just think that u asked damaging questions but these question hv no meaning w.r.t. Quran.. 1st try to gain some knowledge from Quran
So it is the time to ask another question..
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
nam aysa hai ke aap ko kya kaho lykin ek sawal main poochoga aur haan is vedio ka jawab bhi aap ko mil jaye ga KHUDA aap ko bakse agar aap bura na mane to ek sawal main karo::::::::::: ye batao ke ALI A.S ko to aap bhi mante hai aur woh He is the successor of RASOOL E KHUDA (PBUH)jo unki baat na mane woh kafir hua ya nahi jo unse lade(fight)kare woh kafir hai ya nahi?????????????????give me answer aur haan dont ask any questio till my topic is over??????????
mazharzaidi9 2 years ago
1st of all try to comment in english bcoz I want every body can see the conversation b/w us..
2ndly Yes Ali(ra) is our 4th rightly guided khalifa.. But this is not nessecary that whoso ever fought with Ali(ra) was kafir..
& dear remember I alwz take reference from Quran & sahih hadiths (like bukhari, muslim, abu dawood etc..).. & dont try to gv me the hadiths of barelvis as a reference.. clear..
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
& about fighting of jamal & siffin, the verse already reveled in Quran about two fighting groups of believers.. U can't say that one must be kafir..
read 49:9.. ALLAH clearly says in Quran 49:9 that the two fighting groups can be of believers.. This is only ur foolish concept & fake narrations that one group must be kafir..
Dear atleast try to understand Quran..
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muhammad7787 2 years ago
ALLAH says in Quran 49:9..
And if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah . And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
muhammad7787 2 years ago
9 days over..
No shia is able to respond!!
muhammad7787 2 years ago
shia kafir hy is men koi shak nahi. lekin kuch bholy bhaly muslim bichary nahi janty. INSHA ALLAH ap ki koshish rang lay gi.
hanafi2009 2 years ago
masallah what a great video ...very educaional ...may allah bless u
IamThe12thImam 2 years ago