leen into it more, bend your frunt leg alittle, when you shoot, your center if gravity is shifting back from the recoil,looks aquord. hands look grate, some say elbow in elbow out, dousent matter.
What exactly are you trying to achieve by "compairing" a piece of shit .223 to what is probably a Norico or Polytech M14S. Please remove this video from the internet.
BTW WTF are you doing putting Semper Fi in the credits.
when i watch u shoot the M1A i can tell u have not fired it much, you jump after firing it, also, u only show 25sec of the M1A wich is a godlike gun compared to the AR-15
@redpill87 No gun is "God Like" compared to the AR-15.
The AR one of the most revolutionary weapon designs in history, and both the M4 and M16 variants of which have sent many men straight to hell...Not saying the M1A/M14 is a bad gun compared to the AR, just saying they both have their uses and are both amazing results of American ingenuity.
@EarnanOMaille dude your a douchebag...obviously these guys were just having fun on a one way range so it really doesn't matter. Of course someone always has to come around and take a shit on other people's videos...apparently you felt the need to do so here.
Good grief. This guy's stance was so distracting, that I found it difficult to watch the video. The sudden rock music at 2:00 didn't help either. ADVICE: when you make a comparison video, DO AN ACTUAL COMPARISON, and practice your shooting stances beforehand so you don't look like dithering donkey.
Ok who decided to have this homo shoot, he looks up or adjusts his self after every shot! Like the bullet is gonna wait on him to look to see where it goes! I have each of these rifles and love them, but get a decent person to shoot.
well what they dont know is the only thing nonmilitary about an AR is the trigger and a slight difference on the bolt carrier. other than that theres no difference everything else is mil spec out the yingyang
For all around firepower and knock down an Ar-15 chambered in 6.8 would be a good choice. But like mojo said M1A you can get more distance and knock down and better accuracy. Each have pros and cons. Pros of the Ar-15 is its way lighter and you can carry more ammo. Cons it has a gas impingement system that will heat up faster and cause less accuracy and its prone to get dirty faster. Pros of the M1A more accuracy and knock down greater distance. Cons its really heavy. You decide what you want
I'm not familiar with 6.8. I hear it's good. Pros and cons wigtrimer lists are all true. Just my preference based on my experiences: In Somalia I had the M16. Seen a skinny on khat take ten shots to drop and still killed a soldier. In my second deployment there, I got an M14 with M68 (Aimpoint CompM2). I'll take half the ammo (due to weight) any day because in one shot, enemy's down. Also, it takes practice but I learned to use the M14 in CQB by setting the stock up over my shoulder.
Also, the SOCOM series is pretty bad ass as well, but they didn't have that available to us back in '92-'93. I don't think the military is using that even now, although I'm not totally sure.
so do you want a round that will go through the attacker and kill an innocent by standard/civilian? But you can carry more? So what is it: Killing innocent Joe and lethal Bob or just Bob? Same thing with 5.56 and 308. 308 will go through your whole inter house and kill about 4 people. But the 5.56 will just go trough one person. IDK what im getting to. I'm just talking because i know abit on this matter. but hopefully i helped somebody make that decision on whether to carry more or less.
@wigtrimer first off...you wouldnt use either a 5.56 or a 7.62 for home defense unless it was your only option, and at that you would be using soft tip/hallow point rounds...which the 7.62 may exit, but doubtful it will continue to pierce a full wall (2x drywall sheets + air gap).
there is a reason that full size caliber rifles are called battle rifles, and not home / personal defense weapons...thats the job of a .45 or a 12 gauge.
Hey Douche-WIG, frankly i don't even remember what i said and your not worth my time to go back a find it, for one I don't play Call Of Duty, but i can clearly see that your a much BIGGER ASSHOLE, judging by the dozen comments you have left to various people, wow i bet you think your a real smart tough guy, your an 100 lb weakling Coward. Heres an idea, Go stick a M16 and an M14 in your mouth and pull both triggers and see which one kills you first,
@dgl1962 Yep I've seen in this argument dozens of times. The amount of pressure difference is so minuscule that you or your weapon would never notice it.
Both are amazing weapons. Close range urban combat AR-15 hands down, when the shit hits the fan you want as much lead and you can throw as fast as you can. And you don't want even the 18" barrel if you have to go around a corner, or maneuver through a building. Medium to long range I would shoot the M1A all day long. More knock down power and accuracy to boot. both are huge assets on the battlefield.
@koolaidman007 I just got out of the military. The EBR is a very nice weapon, however, you can beat the rate of fire or the control. were fighting a enemy with little to no armor who has forced us into a urban environment. Another key facto is ammo, 5.56 is lighter and you can put more in a mag. Reloading on call of duty is a bitch i'm sure but try doing it in real life when lead is flying at you. Both serve there purpose but the puspose of the M14 is medium to long range.
For all intents and purposes that matter, 308 and 7.62X51 are the same thing. Any pressure difference is negligible. It's the same thing. The .223 and 5.56X45 issue is the same thing as well. I've fired every imaginable combination through my m14 and my m4 for a couple of decades now.
It's Charles Whitman. I think you inadvertently combined Charles Whitman with Mark David Chapman (Lennon's assassin). Nevertheless, Oswald and Chapman are both superior examples of a former marine's precision marksmanship.
He says "semper fidelis" at the end. Doesn't that sound like he is trying to make people think he is a Marine? He shoots like a douche- not Marine or Army trained.... maybe Air Force!!! HA! By the way, an M1A is a 308 round, not 7.62. They are close, but NOT the same. It will fit, but you will jam it up tight! I'd take an M4 or M1A over a crappy AK any day! At least we are still using better equipment than what's being used against us!
If the Marines are so much better at marksmanship than why does this guy keep taking his eye off the sights after each shot to check the target. Oh and that elbow would get shot off in a firefight. But I guess the Marines are still better, right?
As moot as the AK/AR argument is, I'd say the M16/M4/AR series of rifles has decidedly NOT served our country well. Most infantrymen who've been able to fire any other weapon hate it. It breaks, it jams regularly, it requires a LOT of cleaning to keep it firing. It's problems have killed many men since it's inception 45 years ago. Nobody solved that rifle's problems until recently. Only now would I count on a HK416 or LWT variant if I had a choice.
I used the M-4 quite a bit and went out for testing on the SCAR-J, H&K 416 and the colt gas piston carbine and well frankly they all were about the same. I had to trust my life more than once to an M4 and I would again without hesitation. I will say though when we received the crates of M14s on my second deployment I laid a solid gold egg and absolutely loved it.
This is not the best VS; all he showed was that both fire. The argument is just as moot as AK47 to M16. Both the M1A and AR are outstanding rifles, killers at long range, reliable, and have served our war-fighters well. AR has less recoil and lighter ammo (hence more of it) and is alot nastier when it hits something. M1A has MUCH better penetration and I find it a bit sturdier. It all depends on what works best for you and what the mission is.
The M1A is much "nastier" when it connects with a target. 5.56 vs a 7.62? The M1A/M14 has much more knock down force, that's why a lot of Vietnam Vets were complaining when they got the M16, they had to shoot the guy 3-4 times instead of just of just once. A bit sturdier? AR's need constant cleaning and work jammed a lot, again pissed of Vets because M1A/M14 never did..
The 5.56/223 was designed to tumble and or fragment giving the round its self more knock down. Now to say it does it reliably..... IDK. But I do know this the 5.56 will not go through you. it dumps way too much energy into the target to go any further.
@wigtrimer the 5.56 m855 round, standard currently for soldiers, at velocities under 2400 fps will not fragment nor tumble, rather it continues though the target, exiting in most cases before causing much trauma. this is due to the small cross section of the round, it acts much like a needle and simply punches though the target. these wounds can be lethal, though they are not incapacitating initially. a target can be hit 3-4 times and continue to fight for several minutes before dying.
@annihilationnegitive well initially the 5.56 was made to injure and not kill because in an actual war (not like the counter insurgency like we are fighting now) if you shoot a guy n injure him not only do you take him off the battle field you take the guys that need to carry him off the battle field out of the battle if you killed him you would need to take him off. That is why we need a higher caliber round like the 6.8
@honig412 i know this, but what we need is not the 6.8 spc...we need either the 6.5 grendel or just go back to the 7.62 nato...problem is that is not going to happen...our military has so much 5.56 ammo stockpiled that you can expect to see it in use for the next 20 years, or more...we are still using ammo made during nam.
@mexicancomputer I wasn't comparing it to the M1A's round because bad guys aren't using that round against us. They are using the 7.62x39. Ofcourse .308 is stronger than 5.56, but there are a whole lot more advantages.
@GunFreak270 Have you ever seen 5.56mm NATO ball bounce off somones head? Or even better have you seen somone hopped up on PCP take 20+ rounds before they stop? What about a guy shot square in the head with a 3 rnd burst get up and walk it off? I have.....but I NEVER so a guy survive a head shot with 7.62x51NATO, or take more than 3 rounds of 7.62x51NATO before hitting the dirt. Ask ANY Infantryman if they would rather carry a M14 or M4 and I bet well over 50% would take the M14.
@AquaticLD50 if it's "entirely ineffective" the why do nearly all the fucking major militaries use the damn cartridge?! Seriously, take your opinion else where. 7.62 and 5.56 are both great rifle rounds. Oh, and the truth is; most special operations soldiers that have the choice of picking any weapon they want to carry into battle pick the M4/M16. Less than 5% pick the M14, even now with the Socom II.
@GunFreak270 they use it because the rounds are cheap and the rifle's are cheap. Same reason we get point blank body armor and not dragon skin body armor. A lot of ODA/AWG/SEAL operators will use M4's yea, esp if they want somone alive but you will also see a number of AR-10/M14 variants on any given team. The last AWG group I worked with all had select fire H&K AR-10's Why? because the 7.62 goes farther and hits harder than 5.56. But cash is king so the 5.56 will be around for a long time.
@AquaticLD50 In today's modern battle fields the 5.56 rarely sees anything beyond 200 or 300 yards. And that isn't even its maximum range. So why would you need something that goes farther unless you were a sniper? And I don't understand why you said the 5.56 "bounces off heads".... even a 22LR cartridge wouldn't "bounce off your head", it would go through and kill you.
@GunFreak270 your right, even 300m is pushing it. You might not need somthing that goes further but hitting harder deff makes a diff. I say 5.56 bounces off heads because I have seen it happen, I also saw an Iraqi take a 3rnd burst right in the forehead. Guess what? He got up, told our terp that he was tired and going home. I'm sure the poor sap did not live but he walked hiss ass off, made it at least a few blocks before he turned and was never seen again.
@AquaticLD50 I don't quite understand the "bounces off head thing" (you don't need to elaberate), but yes. I do understand the head shot. Some people can get extremely lucky and survive head shots when hit by a caliber that is not supposed to tear massive holes in a person (7.62x51, 50 BMG, etc.). But the chances of that happening are tremendously slim. I take it that that was the ONLY time you had ever seen such a thing. I also think that our military isn't trained to aim for the head.
@GunFreak270 Oh yea it was a freak occurance no doubt, but the guy still survived 3 x head shots. And your right the military is trained to shoot center mass, dosen't mean guys dont pull off head shot's when they can.
@AquaticLD50 The head and brain are pretty different in their response to gunshots than center mass. What *really* needs to be hit with a headshot is the cerebellum, otherwise that quick death isn't guaranteed. It's worth noting, though, that if someone takes a point blank shot with a 7.62 NATO round to center mass, they could walk away (esp. w/ drugs in the picture). 5.56 transfers most of its momentum to the target.
@DDTea I understand that head shots need cerebelllum dmg to drop somone and center mass shots your looking for trauma and that huge BP drop to put somone down. While somone most definately could walk off from a 7.62 center mass shot it will cause more trauma, and larger BP drop than a identical shot with 5.56. All things equal the 7.62x51 round hits signifigantly harder than the 5.56 round.
@VenemousTurtle Yea I have seen it, but it is kinda pointless because AK's fire 7.62x39 and the M14/M1A variants fire 7.62x51....which packs a bigger punch than either the 7.62x39 or 5.56x45.
The situation it everything not the rifle its self. If I'm clearing a house the gun i want is a 1927 Thompson. If I'm engaging targets up to 432YRDS I want a M14/M1Garand. If I'm in a trench I want a 12ga pump action shot gun with 00-buck. If my rifle just jammed (its not a m16) and I have to go to my side arm I want an FN-5.7. If I'm in a city and i may engage targets at 200 yrds I want a SR556.
Thanks for posting this vid. If you don't mind taking a few friendly pointers, I could offer an oppinion. Check out your stance at 2:03-2:07. Elbow out is correct with a traditionally stocked rifle. you'll find elbow down to be more comfortable with a pistol gripped rifle. Try letting the butt sit a little higher against your shoulder. You won't have to crane your neck down to see the sights. And lean into the gun a little. you and the rifle will be able to get back on target quicker. fwiw
That has got to be one of the most uncomfortable and unnatural shooting positions ever, I remember shooting like that... I was five and shooting my dad's .22.
How about ammo? You can carry roughly 4 5.56 rounds per 7.62 x 51mm.
7.62 is a big heavy round, but 5.56 is a light little deadly round as well. Seems to me that when your enemy with his .308 is out of ammo. You with your 5.56 are happy you were able to pack a lot more ammunition.
Power not an issue. A center mass shot from either will drop you cold no problem. Big entry wound or small, dead is dead.
IM going to have to agree with you. The 5.56 is just a wee bit too small I think. Id like to see an intermediate caliber between 5.56 and .308. Hopefully 6.8spc will catch on. That is a great round.
I like the 6.8 spc, but i like the 6.5 grendel better. bullet weight is a little lighter but Lapua in europe has been making 123gr rounds of this caliber that have better ballistics than .308 rounds. Where the SPC is a sledge hammer round, the grendel was designed as long range AR cartridge. 1,000 yards is where'd id like my rifle to hit at and the grendel can. You do sacrifice a little more magazine capacity though. Ive seen both hunting and am impressed with both, just more so with the grendel
it seems the grendel has more powder than both rounds i think if thay added a little more poder to the 6.8 and .308 performace should improve but hell thats my opinion all 3 rounds have there + and -
Its dont think its powder, the grendel cartridge is only 38mm. It is high capacity, but what makes the grendel a superior long range cartridge is its ballistic coefficent. The SPC has a BC similar too that of the 7.62x39 (realtively low), while the grendel's is higher than the M118LR (the US Military's current .308 sniper round)
You have to also consider the amount of ammo you want to put down range at your target, and the range of that target. Beyond 500 yards the 5.56 is just a prayer while the 7.62 can still achieve a 1 hit drop. As for a power issue, both rounds are lethal against an unarmored or covered target, but the 7.62 can readily punch through most forms of natural cover and get its intended target. This is an issue for 5.56. luckily most badguys use 7.62x39, which has an even shorter effective range.
@silky19kilo The M1A comes in a compact version with a 16" pipe. which would make far better CQB weapon over an M4 or M16 any day of the week, why you might ask? b/c 5.56mm NATO ammo is a pussy round, plain and simple.
@gearbox011 Pipe/barrel whatever you want to call it the fact still stands that the SOCOM II would make a better CQB weapon than an M4 any day of the week.
@AquaticLD50 The M1A SOCOM may have a shorter bbl then its full size sister but its still heavy as hell and has way more recoil. The 5.56 round is plenty powerful when your target it less than 100 yrds away and you don't have to worry as much about over penetration when you have a fellow soldier in the room next to you.
@silky19kilo Maybe because Im 6'4" 220lbs the extra 3lbs of the M14 never really bothered me, and I didnt think the recoil was bad at all. But your absalutely right about the overpenetration factor.
just our of curiosity, what did you see that makes him a terrible shooter???
yeah and its Owned not pwned, are you that lazy that you cannot spell correctly? is it too hard for you to hit a different button while you text, just so you can communicate like you have at least some education??
i won't even bring up manners.... that would be a totally alien concept to you...
writing and playing video games has nothing to do with a person shooting a rifle. just cause he said pwned doesnt mean hes a COD fan. HELL I love to play call of duty so does my dad and uncle and my uncle served in desert shield and my dad is in afghan this very second. i own a ruger mkII .22 LR target pistol my dad has a DMPS Panther arms M-4 Carbine I have a Remington Modle 700 chambered in 30-06. i can name alot more such as taurus and more ruger and a Marlin 35 cal lever action rifle. so....
cause somebody spelled something weird or what ever the fact may be doesnt mean theyve never fired a firearm or know anything of the such. Just give people a chance and stop being ass holes cause i bet your really the Call of Duty fan. Your probly that dick that mowed me down with that mini gun last night cause your really acting like one.
so what's the comparrison here anyway all I've seen is someone standing shooting, and previously sitting with no rest at a bench? what's the comparrison again anyway? did i miss something?
i've always kept my elbows in and an instructor told me that was wrong. Chicken winging is preferred method for riflemen. Creates a more stable pocket in your shoulder. if anything the shooter should be relaxing his front hand to act more as a support for the front of the gun vs. wrestling with it.
that video was just pointless no actual comparison just a newbie shooter
njd58snake 6 days ago
Its on sale at the Fcking dollar store!!
22640cal 1 month ago
leen into it more, bend your frunt leg alittle, when you shoot, your center if gravity is shifting back from the recoil,looks aquord. hands look grate, some say elbow in elbow out, dousent matter.
m1a all the way!
MetalicDeah 3 months ago
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X311xjp 3 months ago
I like how not coolmthis video is, and then the music starts playing. Then you realize it's still sucks. What a waste of time...
MrAKjosh 6 months ago
@EarnanOMaille hey fuck off thats pantera lol jk and yea his stance is shit but oh well
dfhrandall 6 months ago
dude learn how to hold a gun
ghilliemonster77 7 months ago
why compare two totally different weapons? anyways, i would choose the m1a any day.
neoxyooj 7 months ago
lmfao, random pantera playing towards the end? and some at the beginning? Am i trippin?
meshuggahfan 8 months ago
@meshuggahfan The trend is over!!!!
22640cal 1 month ago
What exactly are you trying to achieve by "compairing" a piece of shit .223 to what is probably a Norico or Polytech M14S. Please remove this video from the internet.
BTW WTF are you doing putting Semper Fi in the credits.
1983minigtr 8 months ago
"it's on sale at the dollar store" lol
heathovc 9 months ago
when i watch u shoot the M1A i can tell u have not fired it much, you jump after firing it, also, u only show 25sec of the M1A wich is a godlike gun compared to the AR-15
THUMBS UP FOR THE M1A!!!
redpill87 11 months ago 14
@redpill87 No gun is "God Like" compared to the AR-15.
The AR one of the most revolutionary weapon designs in history, and both the M4 and M16 variants of which have sent many men straight to hell...Not saying the M1A/M14 is a bad gun compared to the AR, just saying they both have their uses and are both amazing results of American ingenuity.
2142Unknown 2 weeks ago
@redpill87 m1a defeats ar15 anyday
justicerupe 1 week ago
y compare 2 very different guns?
xxdylanxx48 11 months ago 2
M1A FTW
goldeneye0019 1 year ago
Chicken wing!
TaZ101SAGA 1 year ago
Them are some nice noise-makers. How's your marksmanship?
SoCalPatriots 1 year ago
@EarnanOMaille dude your a douchebag...obviously these guys were just having fun on a one way range so it really doesn't matter. Of course someone always has to come around and take a shit on other people's videos...apparently you felt the need to do so here.
mdaugherty1988 1 year ago
If you were in the military you would have got sniped in the head by an Iraqi sniper while you were trying to hold the gun up to your shoulder
523jester 1 year ago
haha its on sale at the fucking dollar store at 2:34
feonguy 1 year ago
NOSE OVER TOES DUMBASS
Z4N30 1 year ago
man, bed the knees and lean it the rifle. meaning lean forward. one more thing. Stop with the music.
ThePathfinder71 1 year ago
I got distracted by how much he has to reset his shooting stance after each shot w/ the AR15, but thanks for taking the time to upload, tho.
Blemo23 1 year ago
Yep, hes a first timer
shkotay 1 year ago
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TaZ101SAGA 1 year ago
Do you have to look at every shot after you take it?
altshiftend 1 year ago 3
pantera is beast (RIP dimebag)
bigshow1fan 1 year ago
@EarnanOMaille FUCK U THATS PANTERA
jhawley1995 1 year ago
holy heck that was bad. bad as in really bad.
noplateau 1 year ago
Is there a difference between an M1A and M14
ThePJsRULE 1 year ago
@ThePJsRULE Not really. The m1a just doesn't have selective fire. Semi-auto only. And it's the civilian version.
bjpw1234 1 year ago
lame
outkasst88 1 year ago
Obviously this is the first time this shit head ever fired any rifle What a stupid dumbasss!
moparjimtn 1 year ago
All of these comments posted are gay.. just like the guy in the video
galacticpimp99 1 year ago
Good grief. This guy's stance was so distracting, that I found it difficult to watch the video. The sudden rock music at 2:00 didn't help either. ADVICE: when you make a comparison video, DO AN ACTUAL COMPARISON, and practice your shooting stances beforehand so you don't look like dithering donkey.
roberticvs 1 year ago 22
@roberticvs AND FUCK U 2 ITS FUCKING PANTERA THE GREATEST BAND EVER
jhawley1995 1 year ago
Give me and M1A any day of the week and twice on sunday over that Shit16
BigIceWolf90 1 year ago
cheek weld, cheek weld, cheek weld...
D7st 1 year ago
man your acting like that ar 15 weighs 20lbs haha try standing there bangin with an m1 garand or a BAR
deadtofall666 1 year ago
dude, why do you keep putting the gun down? Are you trying to see where your bullets are going? Get a spotting scope!
mtnhome50 1 year ago
Seriously. Learn to at least look proficient before you post a video about it. Waste of my time either way, but I hate feeling sorry for folks.
honkyboots 1 year ago
Ok who decided to have this homo shoot, he looks up or adjusts his self after every shot! Like the bullet is gonna wait on him to look to see where it goes! I have each of these rifles and love them, but get a decent person to shoot.
223inyourskull 1 year ago
*&%$ing amateurs
TheMetatropian 1 year ago
This is some of the worst shooting i've seen.
backtoiron 1 year ago
well what they dont know is the only thing nonmilitary about an AR is the trigger and a slight difference on the bolt carrier. other than that theres no difference everything else is mil spec out the yingyang
wigtrimer 2 years ago
For all around firepower and knock down an Ar-15 chambered in 6.8 would be a good choice. But like mojo said M1A you can get more distance and knock down and better accuracy. Each have pros and cons. Pros of the Ar-15 is its way lighter and you can carry more ammo. Cons it has a gas impingement system that will heat up faster and cause less accuracy and its prone to get dirty faster. Pros of the M1A more accuracy and knock down greater distance. Cons its really heavy. You decide what you want
wigtrimer 2 years ago
sorry i meant direct impingement
wigtrimer 2 years ago
I'm not familiar with 6.8. I hear it's good. Pros and cons wigtrimer lists are all true. Just my preference based on my experiences: In Somalia I had the M16. Seen a skinny on khat take ten shots to drop and still killed a soldier. In my second deployment there, I got an M14 with M68 (Aimpoint CompM2). I'll take half the ammo (due to weight) any day because in one shot, enemy's down. Also, it takes practice but I learned to use the M14 in CQB by setting the stock up over my shoulder.
jsooterlexsc 2 years ago
Also, the SOCOM series is pretty bad ass as well, but they didn't have that available to us back in '92-'93. I don't think the military is using that even now, although I'm not totally sure.
jsooterlexsc 2 years ago
so do you want a round that will go through the attacker and kill an innocent by standard/civilian? But you can carry more? So what is it: Killing innocent Joe and lethal Bob or just Bob? Same thing with 5.56 and 308. 308 will go through your whole inter house and kill about 4 people. But the 5.56 will just go trough one person. IDK what im getting to. I'm just talking because i know abit on this matter. but hopefully i helped somebody make that decision on whether to carry more or less.
wigtrimer 2 years ago
@wigtrimer first off...you wouldnt use either a 5.56 or a 7.62 for home defense unless it was your only option, and at that you would be using soft tip/hallow point rounds...which the 7.62 may exit, but doubtful it will continue to pierce a full wall (2x drywall sheets + air gap).
there is a reason that full size caliber rifles are called battle rifles, and not home / personal defense weapons...thats the job of a .45 or a 12 gauge.
so i dont know what your getting at either
annihilationnegitive 2 years ago
we werent talking about home defense
wigtrimer 2 years ago
Hey Douche-WIG, frankly i don't even remember what i said and your not worth my time to go back a find it, for one I don't play Call Of Duty, but i can clearly see that your a much BIGGER ASSHOLE, judging by the dozen comments you have left to various people, wow i bet you think your a real smart tough guy, your an 100 lb weakling Coward. Heres an idea, Go stick a M16 and an M14 in your mouth and pull both triggers and see which one kills you first,
landcruiserlarry 2 years ago
@dgl1962 Yep I've seen in this argument dozens of times. The amount of pressure difference is so minuscule that you or your weapon would never notice it.
mojo7464 2 years ago
Both are amazing weapons. Close range urban combat AR-15 hands down, when the shit hits the fan you want as much lead and you can throw as fast as you can. And you don't want even the 18" barrel if you have to go around a corner, or maneuver through a building. Medium to long range I would shoot the M1A all day long. More knock down power and accuracy to boot. both are huge assets on the battlefield.
mojo7464 2 years ago
@mojo7464
Google, M14 EBR.
Ill take an M14 over an M4 any day, even up close (you'll see what if you see the EBR)
koolaidman007 2 years ago
@koolaidman007 I just got out of the military. The EBR is a very nice weapon, however, you can beat the rate of fire or the control. were fighting a enemy with little to no armor who has forced us into a urban environment. Another key facto is ammo, 5.56 is lighter and you can put more in a mag. Reloading on call of duty is a bitch i'm sure but try doing it in real life when lead is flying at you. Both serve there purpose but the puspose of the M14 is medium to long range.
mojo7464 1 year ago
@mojo7464
Thanks for the insight. I'm sure I'll be learning the same lessons when I join up then. Thank you for your service sir.
koolaidman007 1 year ago
@mojo7464
WOW somebody on you tube who know what they are talking about. Anyone who understands tools know there is never one perfect too for all jobs.
Hopllyte 2 years ago
For all intents and purposes that matter, 308 and 7.62X51 are the same thing. Any pressure difference is negligible. It's the same thing. The .223 and 5.56X45 issue is the same thing as well. I've fired every imaginable combination through my m14 and my m4 for a couple of decades now.
jsooterlexsc 2 years ago
It's Charles Whitman. I think you inadvertently combined Charles Whitman with Mark David Chapman (Lennon's assassin). Nevertheless, Oswald and Chapman are both superior examples of a former marine's precision marksmanship.
jsooterlexsc 2 years ago
Correction. Oswald and WHITMAN are both examples. Chapman never served and used a pistol
jsooterlexsc 2 years ago
yeah and he shot lennon like 8 times
wigtrimer 2 years ago
He says "semper fidelis" at the end. Doesn't that sound like he is trying to make people think he is a Marine? He shoots like a douche- not Marine or Army trained.... maybe Air Force!!! HA! By the way, an M1A is a 308 round, not 7.62. They are close, but NOT the same. It will fit, but you will jam it up tight! I'd take an M4 or M1A over a crappy AK any day! At least we are still using better equipment than what's being used against us!
mseese 2 years ago
If the Marines are so much better at marksmanship than why does this guy keep taking his eye off the sights after each shot to check the target. Oh and that elbow would get shot off in a firefight. But I guess the Marines are still better, right?
Tmac01baller 2 years ago
As moot as the AK/AR argument is, I'd say the M16/M4/AR series of rifles has decidedly NOT served our country well. Most infantrymen who've been able to fire any other weapon hate it. It breaks, it jams regularly, it requires a LOT of cleaning to keep it firing. It's problems have killed many men since it's inception 45 years ago. Nobody solved that rifle's problems until recently. Only now would I count on a HK416 or LWT variant if I had a choice.
rangerstubbs76 2 years ago
I used the M-4 quite a bit and went out for testing on the SCAR-J, H&K 416 and the colt gas piston carbine and well frankly they all were about the same. I had to trust my life more than once to an M4 and I would again without hesitation. I will say though when we received the crates of M14s on my second deployment I laid a solid gold egg and absolutely loved it.
Blacklung27 2 years ago
This is not the best VS; all he showed was that both fire. The argument is just as moot as AK47 to M16. Both the M1A and AR are outstanding rifles, killers at long range, reliable, and have served our war-fighters well. AR has less recoil and lighter ammo (hence more of it) and is alot nastier when it hits something. M1A has MUCH better penetration and I find it a bit sturdier. It all depends on what works best for you and what the mission is.
CzarPeterPWCFD 2 years ago
The M1A is much "nastier" when it connects with a target. 5.56 vs a 7.62? The M1A/M14 has much more knock down force, that's why a lot of Vietnam Vets were complaining when they got the M16, they had to shoot the guy 3-4 times instead of just of just once. A bit sturdier? AR's need constant cleaning and work jammed a lot, again pissed of Vets because M1A/M14 never did..
0311Duce 2 years ago
The 5.56/223 was designed to tumble and or fragment giving the round its self more knock down. Now to say it does it reliably..... IDK. But I do know this the 5.56 will not go through you. it dumps way too much energy into the target to go any further.
wigtrimer 2 years ago
@wigtrimer the 5.56 m855 round, standard currently for soldiers, at velocities under 2400 fps will not fragment nor tumble, rather it continues though the target, exiting in most cases before causing much trauma. this is due to the small cross section of the round, it acts much like a needle and simply punches though the target. these wounds can be lethal, though they are not incapacitating initially. a target can be hit 3-4 times and continue to fight for several minutes before dying.
annihilationnegitive 2 years ago
@annihilationnegitive well initially the 5.56 was made to injure and not kill because in an actual war (not like the counter insurgency like we are fighting now) if you shoot a guy n injure him not only do you take him off the battle field you take the guys that need to carry him off the battle field out of the battle if you killed him you would need to take him off. That is why we need a higher caliber round like the 6.8
honig412 1 year ago
@honig412 i know this, but what we need is not the 6.8 spc...we need either the 6.5 grendel or just go back to the 7.62 nato...problem is that is not going to happen...our military has so much 5.56 ammo stockpiled that you can expect to see it in use for the next 20 years, or more...we are still using ammo made during nam.
annihilationnegitive 1 year ago
@honig412 5.56 has more foot pounds of energy than 7.62x39... shows how much you know... -.-
GunFreak270 1 year ago
@GunFreak270 m14 fires 7.62x51... not 7.62x39 shows what you know.
mexicancomputer 1 year ago
@mexicancomputer I wasn't comparing it to the M1A's round because bad guys aren't using that round against us. They are using the 7.62x39. Ofcourse .308 is stronger than 5.56, but there are a whole lot more advantages.
GunFreak270 1 year ago
@GunFreak270 advantages of 5.56 over 7.62 nato or x39?
mexicancomputer 1 year ago
@mexicancomputer advantages over x39. because somebody said that the 5.56 needs to be replaced in the military. Truly, it doesn't.
GunFreak270 1 year ago
@GunFreak270 yep, my bad.. sounds like someone who hasnt used them both.
mexicancomputer 1 year ago
@GunFreak270 It most certianly does need to be replaced for all squad posistions with the exception of SAW gunner
cheturt 1 year ago
@GunFreak270 Have you ever seen 5.56mm NATO ball bounce off somones head? Or even better have you seen somone hopped up on PCP take 20+ rounds before they stop? What about a guy shot square in the head with a 3 rnd burst get up and walk it off? I have.....but I NEVER so a guy survive a head shot with 7.62x51NATO, or take more than 3 rounds of 7.62x51NATO before hitting the dirt. Ask ANY Infantryman if they would rather carry a M14 or M4 and I bet well over 50% would take the M14.
AquaticLD50 1 year ago
@AquaticLD50 If you're going to lie on the internet at least make it believable.I bet you're some 15 year old wannabe. Enjoy your airsoft
gearbox011 1 year ago
@AquaticLD50 you are full of bull shit.
GunFreak270 1 year ago
@GunFreak270 Am I now? look it up dude, there are countless stories of 5.56 being entirely ineffective.
AquaticLD50 1 year ago
@AquaticLD50 if it's "entirely ineffective" the why do nearly all the fucking major militaries use the damn cartridge?! Seriously, take your opinion else where. 7.62 and 5.56 are both great rifle rounds. Oh, and the truth is; most special operations soldiers that have the choice of picking any weapon they want to carry into battle pick the M4/M16. Less than 5% pick the M14, even now with the Socom II.
GunFreak270 1 year ago
@GunFreak270 they use it because the rounds are cheap and the rifle's are cheap. Same reason we get point blank body armor and not dragon skin body armor. A lot of ODA/AWG/SEAL operators will use M4's yea, esp if they want somone alive but you will also see a number of AR-10/M14 variants on any given team. The last AWG group I worked with all had select fire H&K AR-10's Why? because the 7.62 goes farther and hits harder than 5.56. But cash is king so the 5.56 will be around for a long time.
AquaticLD50 1 year ago
@AquaticLD50 In today's modern battle fields the 5.56 rarely sees anything beyond 200 or 300 yards. And that isn't even its maximum range. So why would you need something that goes farther unless you were a sniper? And I don't understand why you said the 5.56 "bounces off heads".... even a 22LR cartridge wouldn't "bounce off your head", it would go through and kill you.
GunFreak270 1 year ago
@GunFreak270 your right, even 300m is pushing it. You might not need somthing that goes further but hitting harder deff makes a diff. I say 5.56 bounces off heads because I have seen it happen, I also saw an Iraqi take a 3rnd burst right in the forehead. Guess what? He got up, told our terp that he was tired and going home. I'm sure the poor sap did not live but he walked hiss ass off, made it at least a few blocks before he turned and was never seen again.
AquaticLD50 1 year ago
@AquaticLD50 I don't quite understand the "bounces off head thing" (you don't need to elaberate), but yes. I do understand the head shot. Some people can get extremely lucky and survive head shots when hit by a caliber that is not supposed to tear massive holes in a person (7.62x51, 50 BMG, etc.). But the chances of that happening are tremendously slim. I take it that that was the ONLY time you had ever seen such a thing. I also think that our military isn't trained to aim for the head.
GunFreak270 1 year ago
@GunFreak270 the military are not trained to shoot for the head....not even the snipers
b5150b2012 1 year ago
@GunFreak270 Oh yea it was a freak occurance no doubt, but the guy still survived 3 x head shots. And your right the military is trained to shoot center mass, dosen't mean guys dont pull off head shot's when they can.
AquaticLD50 1 year ago
@AquaticLD50 I'm just saying, we don't need to revert back to 7.62x51. Even if it WAS cheaper.
GunFreak270 1 year ago
@AquaticLD50 The head and brain are pretty different in their response to gunshots than center mass. What *really* needs to be hit with a headshot is the cerebellum, otherwise that quick death isn't guaranteed. It's worth noting, though, that if someone takes a point blank shot with a 7.62 NATO round to center mass, they could walk away (esp. w/ drugs in the picture). 5.56 transfers most of its momentum to the target.
DDTea 1 year ago
@DDTea I understand that head shots need cerebelllum dmg to drop somone and center mass shots your looking for trauma and that huge BP drop to put somone down. While somone most definately could walk off from a 7.62 center mass shot it will cause more trauma, and larger BP drop than a identical shot with 5.56. All things equal the 7.62x51 round hits signifigantly harder than the 5.56 round.
AquaticLD50 1 year ago
@AquaticLD50 they both do the job end of story
njd58snake 6 days ago
@AquaticLD50 sure... you have seen 3 rds of 5.56 NATO "bounce of a iraqs forehead"
1ohtaf1 1 year ago
@AquaticLD50 If you want a great lesson on the ballistics of a 5.56 vs a 7.62, search youtube for the ar-15 (5.56) vs ak-47 (7.62) by nutnfancy.
VenemousTurtle 1 year ago
@VenemousTurtle Yea I have seen it, but it is kinda pointless because AK's fire 7.62x39 and the M14/M1A variants fire 7.62x51....which packs a bigger punch than either the 7.62x39 or 5.56x45.
AquaticLD50 1 year ago
@GunFreak270 m14 fires 7.62x51... not 7.62x39 shows what you know.
mexicancomputer 1 year ago
the m1a is a much better weapon
F4izzle 2 years ago 9
no, not really. In a friendly manner, would you tell me why you think this?
spazzz64 2 years ago
more accurate more take down power
F4izzle 2 years ago
The situation it everything not the rifle its self. If I'm clearing a house the gun i want is a 1927 Thompson. If I'm engaging targets up to 432YRDS I want a M14/M1Garand. If I'm in a trench I want a 12ga pump action shot gun with 00-buck. If my rifle just jammed (its not a m16) and I have to go to my side arm I want an FN-5.7. If I'm in a city and i may engage targets at 200 yrds I want a SR556.
wigtrimer 2 years ago
@F4izzle much powerfull. but not a better battlerifle than the ar15 platform
dinkoneminebarn 1 year ago
@F4izzle but he has both =)
44pullups 1 year ago
@F4izzle AGREED!!!!
scorpioncrow 1 year ago
i like rock but the music was ... sorry let me rephase, what is that noise i hear? were you trying to set a background music?
bobtaylor1979 2 years ago
Its Pantera. Dimebag darrell was the most influential guitarist in metal, so that "noise" you here is what we call music.
Southern661 2 years ago
bad training scar u need to stop looking up after each shot
GaryRedbig 2 years ago 4
Join the Army so you can get some real shooting instruction cause you need a shit ton of it.
Tmac01baller 2 years ago
I hate to be critical but.... why do he look up after each shot as if he can actually see where he hit?
Dustoffam 2 years ago 14
he's got on leopold mk4 shooting glasses lol
baker70romeo 2 years ago
@Dustoffam pluss the fact that by looking up he has changed his point of aim and will have rubbish groupings (if he is going for groupings)
jake22nd 1 year ago
@Dustoffam thats because before this the only thing he shot was .22 caliber at 10 feet. XD
Hunter57dor 1 year ago
Thanks for posting this vid. If you don't mind taking a few friendly pointers, I could offer an oppinion. Check out your stance at 2:03-2:07. Elbow out is correct with a traditionally stocked rifle. you'll find elbow down to be more comfortable with a pistol gripped rifle. Try letting the butt sit a little higher against your shoulder. You won't have to crane your neck down to see the sights. And lean into the gun a little. you and the rifle will be able to get back on target quicker. fwiw
bennjill 2 years ago 3
Man that guy must work at KFC with a chicken wing like that. Its worse because he literally flaps it during the video.
HKBM45 2 years ago
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That has got to be one of the most uncomfortable and unnatural shooting positions ever, I remember shooting like that... I was five and shooting my dad's .22.
Startrekguy001 2 years ago
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Startrekguy001 2 years ago
Get a better dipshit to shoot these rifles, he fucking sucks.
Torik1775 2 years ago 7
lol, I agree. Shitty music too.
MrPwnag3 2 years ago
Why choose? I own both ;)
PatriotAr15 2 years ago
Where is M1 ??? It is M14 !!!
Freakazoit2 2 years ago
The M1A is this civilian version of the M14.
MCASNewRiver 2 years ago
oh ty, I didn't know
Freakazoit2 2 years ago
If you want to get down to the nitty gritty the M1A is a trademarked name of Springfield Armory Inc.
There is SAinc m1a's that are full auto but they are called M1A
Other manufactures of semi auto m14 call them what ever they want (m14s M14SA)
brycom1 2 years ago
This isn't even a contest.
The M1A dominates the M16 in every category.
Forget about the whole weight issue. If the rifle is too heavy there's one of two things wrong.
#1 you're carrying too much gear,
or #2 you're weak as crap.
Goodspittin 2 years ago 3
How about ammo? You can carry roughly 4 5.56 rounds per 7.62 x 51mm.
7.62 is a big heavy round, but 5.56 is a light little deadly round as well. Seems to me that when your enemy with his .308 is out of ammo. You with your 5.56 are happy you were able to pack a lot more ammunition.
Power not an issue. A center mass shot from either will drop you cold no problem. Big entry wound or small, dead is dead.
koolaidman007 2 years ago
Power becomes an issue when the only ammo you can use is FMJ or AP.
When using a bullet such as the FMJ 5.56NATO you're relying on 2 things for an instant drop when hitting center mass:
-A direct heart shot or severed spinal chord.
-The extreme shock of being hit by such a fast moving round.
The shock factor is gone past about 200-300meters (the bullet just doesn't have the mass to keep its energy much farther)
M-16 design is very ergonomic, just the caliber & durability lack.
Search REC7
Goodspittin 2 years ago
IM going to have to agree with you. The 5.56 is just a wee bit too small I think. Id like to see an intermediate caliber between 5.56 and .308. Hopefully 6.8spc will catch on. That is a great round.
koolaidman007 2 years ago
I like the 6.8 spc, but i like the 6.5 grendel better. bullet weight is a little lighter but Lapua in europe has been making 123gr rounds of this caliber that have better ballistics than .308 rounds. Where the SPC is a sledge hammer round, the grendel was designed as long range AR cartridge. 1,000 yards is where'd id like my rifle to hit at and the grendel can. You do sacrifice a little more magazine capacity though. Ive seen both hunting and am impressed with both, just more so with the grendel
MarineWMU911 2 years ago
it seems the grendel has more powder than both rounds i think if thay added a little more poder to the 6.8 and .308 performace should improve but hell thats my opinion all 3 rounds have there + and -
zman6033 2 years ago
Its dont think its powder, the grendel cartridge is only 38mm. It is high capacity, but what makes the grendel a superior long range cartridge is its ballistic coefficent. The SPC has a BC similar too that of the 7.62x39 (realtively low), while the grendel's is higher than the M118LR (the US Military's current .308 sniper round)
MarineWMU911 2 years ago
308 is affective at 1200yrds. Accurate? IDK but i know for a fact you can hit a target at 1000 yrds accurately with 308.
wigtrimer 2 years ago
You have to also consider the amount of ammo you want to put down range at your target, and the range of that target. Beyond 500 yards the 5.56 is just a prayer while the 7.62 can still achieve a 1 hit drop. As for a power issue, both rounds are lethal against an unarmored or covered target, but the 7.62 can readily punch through most forms of natural cover and get its intended target. This is an issue for 5.56. luckily most badguys use 7.62x39, which has an even shorter effective range.
MarineWMU911 2 years ago
@Goodspittin The M1A would not beat the M16 in CQB IMO
silky19kilo 1 year ago
@silky19kilo The 16" barreled ones would stack up pretty well I think, At least you can use the M1A as a club if nothing else ;P
Goodspittin 1 year ago
@silky19kilo M16 is not an CQB weapon
VIISamurai 1 year ago
@VIISamurai I know it's not but i would take it over an M14 in a CQB any day
silky19kilo 1 year ago
@silky19kilo depends on the model m1a and the model m16... i believe a m1a socom 16 or socom II vs a m16 a4 would compare pretty well.
FDNY101202 1 year ago
@silky19kilo The M1A comes in a compact version with a 16" pipe. which would make far better CQB weapon over an M4 or M16 any day of the week, why you might ask? b/c 5.56mm NATO ammo is a pussy round, plain and simple.
AquaticLD50 1 year ago
@AquaticLD50 "Pipe" Hahaha, you have no clue what you're talking about do you?
gearbox011 1 year ago
@gearbox011 Pipe/barrel whatever you want to call it the fact still stands that the SOCOM II would make a better CQB weapon than an M4 any day of the week.
AquaticLD50 1 year ago
@AquaticLD50 The M1A SOCOM may have a shorter bbl then its full size sister but its still heavy as hell and has way more recoil. The 5.56 round is plenty powerful when your target it less than 100 yrds away and you don't have to worry as much about over penetration when you have a fellow soldier in the room next to you.
silky19kilo 1 year ago
@silky19kilo Maybe because Im 6'4" 220lbs the extra 3lbs of the M14 never really bothered me, and I didnt think the recoil was bad at all. But your absalutely right about the overpenetration factor.
AquaticLD50 1 year ago
you're a terrible shooter. I would destroy you on the battlefield.
MrPwnag3 2 years ago
in real life, the "battlefield" does not require an xbox controller
nachtjager667 2 years ago 14
rofl. you know nothing about me. Fuck outta here
MrPwnag3 2 years ago
to many "CALL OF DUTY'' wannabes
MrPwnage...
just our of curiosity, what did you see that makes him a terrible shooter???
yeah and its Owned not pwned, are you that lazy that you cannot spell correctly? is it too hard for you to hit a different button while you text, just so you can communicate like you have at least some education??
i won't even bring up manners.... that would be a totally alien concept to you...
landcruiserlarry 2 years ago
writing and playing video games has nothing to do with a person shooting a rifle. just cause he said pwned doesnt mean hes a COD fan. HELL I love to play call of duty so does my dad and uncle and my uncle served in desert shield and my dad is in afghan this very second. i own a ruger mkII .22 LR target pistol my dad has a DMPS Panther arms M-4 Carbine I have a Remington Modle 700 chambered in 30-06. i can name alot more such as taurus and more ruger and a Marlin 35 cal lever action rifle. so....
wigtrimer 2 years ago
cause somebody spelled something weird or what ever the fact may be doesnt mean theyve never fired a firearm or know anything of the such. Just give people a chance and stop being ass holes cause i bet your really the Call of Duty fan. Your probly that dick that mowed me down with that mini gun last night cause your really acting like one.
wigtrimer 2 years ago
nice
zman6033 2 years ago
@nachtjager667 actually they controll some robots with an xbox controller in the "battlefield"
weresmypants1 1 year ago
hahah , what u gonna have a rap battle u wanksta
gregsball 2 years ago
AR are for weakling that cant carry heavy rifle. LOL!
RK1 2 years ago 2
LOL
AirsoftIsSweet 2 years ago
lighter is alwase better.
penis compensation shouldnt be a factor in firearms.
1cme1 2 years ago
In my opinion one should never use the term "Always' in the firearms community
AR shoots a smaller round under (if I'm not mistaken) lower pressures
lighter is generally better when it comes to combat (especially CQB) unless you're a sniper/sharpshooter
but if you were say.. hunting you would be better off with the 7.62x51 MM
in the end it pretty much comes to the application and choosing the right round for that application
the gun itself isn't the biggest concern but the round it fires is
crossvain12 2 years ago
The M1A dominates the AR? Nonsense.
The vast majority of high-power shooters choose the AR-15 over the M1A. Those guys shoot out to 600 yards.
Do some homework before making uninformed comments.
That being said I own an AR and an M-14 and love them both. I also own an M1 Garand which I like better than the AR or the M-14.
pittsky 2 years ago
The M1A dominates the AR15 when in grizzly country in Alaska.....unless it is an AR in .50 Beowulf...then it is up for grabs....
crazyAKeer 2 years ago
i personally prefer the 45-70 gov't
wigtrimer 2 years ago
so what's the comparrison here anyway all I've seen is someone standing shooting, and previously sitting with no rest at a bench? what's the comparrison again anyway? did i miss something?
zloyobar 3 years ago
No compparison, M1A all day.
tburgin28 3 years ago 7
Yeah, my dad just got one and I would so rather shoot the M1A than the AR-15.
slaya52 3 years ago 4
.308 dominates the 223 round.Springfield also makes a more reliable firearm.
70goldtop 3 years ago 5
Hey good vid, but tuck you elbows in when you shoot...i see this alot people stick their elbows out....bad, bad, bad....
chevelle68man2007 3 years ago 3
i've always kept my elbows in and an instructor told me that was wrong. Chicken winging is preferred method for riflemen. Creates a more stable pocket in your shoulder. if anything the shooter should be relaxing his front hand to act more as a support for the front of the gun vs. wrestling with it.
3is 3 years ago
hey good video but I'm sick of those blue screen intros....like, we see the title at the top!
Coldworld26 3 years ago