Bill Donohue is an idiot. When it's post-pubescent, it's ephebophilia, not homosexuality. But just based on terminology is supposed to make the molestation of young boys by priests okay? Bullshit! Sex is a human psychological need, and when you have priests being abstinent from sex with women, they're going to go after a different target, in this case, altar boys, and sometimes even nuns. Why would they break that vow to begin with? Because God's just going to forgive them later, how convenient!
Evil is present but I wish the comfort and healing of christ and the love of christ to descend on everyone. and let their anger and rage and depression and acting out be replaced by healing and comfort of our loving christ who hates so abhorantly what happen to them.
what the fuck is the point of bringing 4 guests on to discuss a topic and then giving them 3 minutes to talk about it? that was a total waste of time. by the way bill donohue is a disgusting human being.
@jhledo correction...fucked up corrupt money hungry religions and cults are mental disorders. Pure unaltered religions like Islam where no one benefits what so ever except YOU still exist. Islam is not the only real religion left eather but Its sad how the other abrahamic religions are so currupted.
Homosexuality is a practice between two consenting adults. Where the adult FORCES a "post-pubescent" minor into commiting these acts, it remains paedophilia.
If homosexuality was the issue, it would need to be a matter between consenting adults. Your own statement sums it up: "One would have to have a well thought out argument to convince people that homosexuality was not a major contributor to the problem."
@fred19992010 To say that sex with a post-pubescent minor is paedophilia is just plain wrong. Paedophilia involvles children that are pre-pubescent. Sex with pubescent children is just sex - homosexual or heterosexual. It may still be (rightly) illegal but it's not paedophilia.
Or as a NAMBLA once said, "homosexuals denying that it is 'not gay' to be attracted to adolescent boys are just as ludicrous as heterosexuals saying it's 'not heterosexual' to be attracted to adolescent girls."
QUOTE: "Sex with pubescent children is just sex..."
Others will no doubt utterly comdemn you for making such a remark.
But I will simply take this opportunity to point out that this is PRECISELY what the paedophiles believe. This is the true face of Catholicism. This is why all children EVERYWHERE, are permanently in danger from Catholic perverts.
Any parent that allows a Catholic "priest" to have unsupervised access to their children should be referred to Social Services - with a view to removing the child to a safe environment.
Yes, and "Rejoice over her, thou holy apostles and prophets, for God hath avenged you on her."
Burn all Catholic institutions worldwide! You owe it your children. If, one day, your child, or your grand-child, may be molested by a Catholic "priest", you will be ashamed that you did not take action to destroy this worldwide paedophile ring that pretends to be a church. Rise up against the child molesting filth. They are NOT priests. They are vermin.
Oh, thank goodness post-pubescent is now legal with the Catholic church! Whew!!!! Had me worried there for a moment - - thought that maybe our little sex-for-money fund raiser with the St. Mary's Jr. High girls was gonna raise some eyebrows. You know how SOME people can get with 12 - 13 year old girls being sold for sex...geez! The tight-asses....at least now everyone knows their POST-PUBESCENT and perfectly LEGAL.
@DamonIcke Actually Bill Donohue said no such thing. He simply stated that most of the sexual abuse occurred to post pubescent children and as such cannot be defined as pedophillia which by definition involves sexual contact with children who are prepubescent.
Given that 80% of the Catholic sex abuse was male to male Donohue claims (possibly correctly) that the abuse isn't pedophillic in nature but homosexual.
@Jerrymanda101 Arguing semantics to justify child rape. You catholics are sick people. Next you will tell me 80% of catholic priests were just checking colons and penises of the children for cancer.
@DamonIcke I've only ever read two statements by you, and they both lack any evidence of coherent thinking. Are you by chance an anti-Catholic?... As anti-Catholics tend to be rather stupid.
@Jerrymanda101 My thinking is only incoherent to those who've been effectively brainwashed by catholic upbringing.I come from a catholic family, but I was able to resist. I bet most anti-catholics, a group I proudly belong to, come from catholic families. I'll help explain my "incoherent thinking" .First of all, don't believe a word of the bible. I disagree with the catholic church on every major issue. On top of that they rape kids and "god" called for the coverup.
@fred19992010 Yes Fred anti-Catholics seem to be rather stupid. Look at just some of them: KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, Fundamentalists (Protestant and Islamic), Communists.
Westboro Baptist Church? Fred Phelps? Communists? KKK? And Funamentalists? Why Fundamentalists? After all, the ENTIRE Anglican Church is "anti-catholic" (which is in fact their reason for being).
Why do you claim Communists are stupid? Marx was an idiot? Lenin was a fool? Stalin was a nincompoop? I think not!
I ask you again - would you leave your children in the care of a Catholic priest?
@Jerrymanda101 LOL!!--- u r brainwashed!--- you actually think WB "Baptist" is some kind of "fundamentalist." They are professional Activists, take money from the left, get awards from the left, Naacp, etc., Fred Phelps has run for office on left, etc. These are all just political activist groups (many put together to discredit the very things they are purporting to be). And you think "anti-catholics" are stupid? At least name some real anti-catholics before you go on like that, lol
"most of the sexual abuse occurred to post pubescent children and as such cannot be defined as pedophillia..."
And where exactly does Donahue get this information? The word "most" is not sufficient to such a discussion. Unless you can tell me the exact, or even approximate, figures - such as 70-30, or 60-40, stating "most" means nothing at all. If the issue is homosexuality, why were ANY children raped?
@fred19992010 The statistics for the sex abuse in the Catholic Church in the USA are well known - 80 to 85 percent of the sex abuse was male to male. In fact the high level of male to male abuse is the only aspect of Catholic sex abuse scandle that separates it from all other institutional sex abuse. One would have to have a well thought out argument to convince people that homosexuality was not a major contributor to the problem. You may well have such an argument, but I've yet to hear it.
I'm not even sure what it is that you, and Donahue, are arguing. If the crux of the matter is homosexuality, why were these "priests" not raping grown men, as happens? Also, Catholic priests do not have the easy access to young girls (who are in the charge of nuns) that they have to boys.
I have seen no solid evidence that they are particularly fussy, either way. Seems to me they would rape WHATEVER defenseless child they could get their hands on.
@fred19992010 Actually, if you follow the thread back you'll see I was just responding to the anti-Catholic drivel of DamonIcke who said: "According to Bill [Donohue], if the kids already has a few pubes, their ripe for fucking."
Of course Donohue said no such thing. But like I said anti-Catholics tend to be rather stupid.
@fred19992010 they're trying to justify sex abuse, as they justify their Genocides, inquisitions, money grabbing from poor, via "Welfare States" they get compromised "third world" "(fake) converts" to vote for, so they can get taxes of non-catholics through the "tithes" of the welfare-supported catholics. The payoffs for justifying pedophilia, "crusades" (genocides), "inquisitions" (extortion-torture of whoever doesn't give them money), is obviously large. the pope has a nice mansion.
I'll send you another video, if you're not on "Friend Lock", where I've been "arguing" with one of these Catholic paedophile apologists for MONTHS now!
@fred19992010 Why people would justify pedophilia, anymore than the 400 year's torture of inquisitions, or the horror of burning so many people alive, on the basis of not sharing an IDEA s/a transubstantiation. (Some catholics don't even know what that is, lol; definitely not some of the more illiterate "converts" one can speak to (who have no real idea of the history, what they are brought into, totally blindly, and to be used for votes and tools politically, what a sad thing!)
@fred19992010 Re-framIng about whether it's pre-or-post pubescent is just a tactic to deflect accountability. RCC teaches "infallible doctrine," . This Idea is deeply ingrained, so accountability difficult for them. Or they become hyper-accountable, then grovel in humiliation, EITHER WAY, show themselves incapable of really taking in what's been done TO OTHER PEOPLE. Essentially, it indoctrinates narcissism. That's why the screaming about "moral relativism" (empathy to others).
Evil can invade any person or organization, including unfortunately the catholic church...however all should not be not be judged for the actions of a few. may god have mercy on us all....
It is more difficult for practicing homosexuals to enter the priesthood? That's a "very good thing"? I want to ask this audience why this is the first thing this man says in response to his question and also, why practicing homosexuals are being equated with CHILD ABUSERS. Post-pubescent abuse does not make it pedophilia? I cannot believe this man. He does not represent anyone responsibly, including the Catholic Church. Sinead is a model of responsible representation here.
It is more difficult for practicing homosexuals to enter the priesthood? That's a "very good thing"? I want to ask this audience why this is the first thing this man says in response to his question and also, why practicing homosexuals are being equated with CHILD ABUSERS. Post-pubescent abuse does not make it pedophilia? I cannot believe this man. He does not represent anyone responsibly, inclusing the Catholic Church. Sinead is a model of responsible representation here.
Bill doesnt seem to know what he is talking about. He will say anything as long as it protects the church. He never seems to show emotion towards the victims.
Catholicism along with other world religions are all false religions. You cannot serve GOD and be homosexual. The bible is real clear about this matter in
1 Corinthians 6:9,10 there are other text in the bible that say the same thing!!!
The notion that the Pope covered up sex abuse is a pernicious lie. The only case where he is accused of doing so is the case of Fr. Murphy - in that case, Fr. Murphy supposedly committed the crimes in the 50s, and the victim did not alert the authorities until the 70s, at which time the police investigated and dropped the charges. The Pope (Cardinal Ratzinger) did not find out until 1996, and ordered an investigation. Fr. Murphy died within a year and so there was nothing more that he could do.
@ModerateGuy738 1) As head of the CDF & 2nd in command to JP2, Ratz was aware of ALL the sex abuse complaints & directed the global bishop's coverup.
2) The Vatican has been aware of sex abuse for at least 1000 years. It is cited in the 1917 Code of Canon Law & Pope Paul VI was made personally aware of the coverups in the US in 1965.
3) Do not LIE.....you are not fooling anybody, least of all God!
@19lfm12 1) No, he did not. There's only one case where he's accused of covering anything up, and it was the Fr. Hullerman case, in which the records show he took disciplinary action for the first offense and was already at another post before subsequent offenses.
2) No, it hasn't. You're just fabricating nonsense now. The Vatican takes disciplinary action on EVERY CASE it's informed of.
3) You're just regurgitating lies you've been told by the NYT. Try researching for once.
@ModerateGuy738 As every Chancery in the world is connected to the Vatican by telex, fax, internet, secure phone lines, plus the resources of their extensive diplomatic network (with even more com methods), let's not play games here. They are not communicating by jungle drums or messengers on foot!
The Vatican is informed of abuse cases; both by 'official' notice (which becomes a matter of record) & off the record communiques. The oldest Intel network in the world.....
@ModerateGuy738 There is a lot more then just 'one case' in re Herr Ratz. And this has nothing to do with the NYT.
Rooms full of abuse records in the US have been either 'hidden' or transferred to Vatican soil (in Rome or nunciature property). Years ago.....
Most victims were silent out of fear of the Church. The number of cases reported to the Church is vastly more then you know; most swept under the rug.
stop using the bible as a source of evidence for your religion(s), it is not a valid source of information, and everyone knows that, whether they are willing to admit it or not. find some other way of proving your ridiculous, ignorant and narrow-minded world view (good luck finding one).
Christian brothers and sisters ,The Roman Catholic church is the harlot woman which Bible prophecy warned us about in Rev 17. The false church sits on the city which lays on seven hills Bible prophecy stated. We All know Rome sits on seven hills and The Roman catholic church sits in Rome ,so in conclusion the Roman catholic church is the Harlot woman the very same church the anti christ and false prohet will come out of and decieve the whole world before Christ jesus will return.
@ThisIsCyfe No, it's because the Jews control Western media, and they are partial to using their power to present Christians in a negative light whenever possible and to downplay or hide anything negative that has to do with Jews.
w w w. davidduke. c o m/general/how-jewish-is-hollywood_6614.h t m l
whoa dont send david duke links, hes a dousche. i know all about the nwo and what not but david duke is nothing but your run of the mill blame-the-blacks and the jews race monger.
personally all of the abrahamic religions are full of shit
@ThisIsCyfe Why do you think David Duke is a 'dousche' (sic)? Because he wants to preserve the White race and our different cultures and ethnicities? Because he points out what Jews do and did - what Jews themselves admit to doing and having done? Because he shares official statistics on the crime rates of blacks? Do you hate reality so much that you feel the need to take it out on the messenger?
Reality is based on perception. Perception is relative. Chew on that for a while
I can give you statistics showing that the rates of pedophilia among white men is well about that of black men. But thats just statistics. I can say things like white people started all wars in america and it would be true because every president we have had so far save for obama was white. but that would just be immature and observatory. We are a human race.
@ThisIsCyfe I sincerely doubt any stats you can dig up on White pedophiles would beat this:
w w w.medscape. co m/viewarticle/444213
I've noticed that liberals often tend to denigrate the validity of statistics when the results don't support their worldview. Sorry, but math doesn't become valid or invalid depending on whether or not you like the results.
We are not a human race. We are a human species (Homo Sapiens), with various sub-species, or races.
color and bone structure have already been proven not be substantial enough to classify as a subspecies or seperate species all together. it takes substantial genetic difference to qualify as a subspecies. it requires that a creature completely evolved new genetic features and biological differences.
and secondly, im not a liberal or conservative. those are terms made up by people who like to argue instead of learning the truth
@ThisIsCyfe Subspecies and race is the same thing; subspecies is just a fancier term.
Forensic scientists can determine race just by looking at a pile of human bones. h t t p: / /erectuswalksamongst.u s/Chap9. h t m l
I don't have time to go into depth on racial differences, so if you want to learn more, Google "evidence that racial groupings match real genetic profiles stormfront" to get to a database of links to research studies and articles on the subject:
Negroid, mongoloid and caucasoid are the 3 skeletal groupings. people today are a mix of those features for the most part. A forensic anthropologist can look at a pile of bones and make an EDUCATED guess as to the POSSIBLE race of the remains. It is only used for bone identification, it doesnt determine anything further than that, dna testing is usually used for more in depth studies. There is a difference
"When a complete skeleton is available, the level of reliability in establishing sex, age, and race through anthropometrics is almost 100%. Pelvic bones alone offer a 95% reliability, while pelvic bones plus the skull result in an accurate estimation 98% of the time."
w w w.enotes.c o m/forensic-science/anthropometry
You should ask your anthropology teachers for a refund.
? who was talking about aborighnees? The "Black", "white" and "asian" and "hispanic"groupings are useless scientifically. we will disregard those
Secondly, very few groups of people walking around today share features strictly of one type. Basically, you will see "black" people with narrow noses and "white" people with broad noses. We have intermixed for thousands of years, creating various ethnicities and develop different features. globalization then furthered that process
@ThisIsCyfe Ah, I see your problem. You appear to be under the impression that there are no pure races left in this world. Obviously, you have never read "Human Genome Variation" in "Science" magazine, because if you had, you'd know that the East Asian, European, and sub-Saharan African races are very pure indeed, even to this day. ;)
Actually the remains pretty much point to the fact that the so called races are more spread out than we thought. There are caucasoid africans and mongoloid africans etc. There is a tribe in africa that is actually more closely related to the indigenous chinese than most asians, interesting isnt it?
@ThisIsCyfe Name these Caucasoid and Mongoloid Africans you speak of, and post a link to support your assertion that there is an African (read "Negroid") tribe more genetically similar to Chinese than other East Asians such as Japanese and Koreans.
also, you cant make definitive decisions from pelvic bones or even skulls (most of the time skull thickness and the way the nose sits on the face is used to define "race"). one would need a full skeleton to make a without a doubt call. Now dna is something different. You would be suprised how many caucasian-appearing remains were dug up in north africa and how many negroid remains were found in the area we now call spain. it isnt all clean cut
@ThisIsCyfe Hmm, it looks like you haven't read the link I provided. Go read it again. As for Caucasian remains in Africa and Negroid remains in Spain - what point is this supposed to make? I should think most people would know that the Romans had all types of slaves, including Negroes, and that Whites have done a whole lot of exploring. Heck, ancient Caucasian remains have been found in China.
@ThisIsCyfe The David Duke article directly quotes an LA Times article in which a Jew (Joel Stein) openly and brashly admits that the Jews control the media:
ht t p://articles.latimes.c o m/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19
I think when you rise up mentally and really understand how the world works, you will understand there are 3 types of people involved in this, sheep, wolves and wolves dressed as sheep
Hey Holy Fathers of Catholic Church, do me a favor, while preaching to my parents in sermons a few minutes later, can you just wash your hands and pants to get off our congregation of sperms and anal hairs??
Funny that my friends say that your delivery of sermons in the Catholic Church has the breath of ............get this ........ meat balls !!??
Don't worry if police are coming after you pedophile priests, bishops & cardinals, S.American Nazi will reciprocate and hide u from justice too.
@HailMary53 You have to kidding me, you are saying that the pope is higher in aithority then the savior Jesus. I suppose the pope die a horrific death on the cross, get real. Do yourself a favor READ the bible. Actually read it, start with Jonh 3 16
@ncast54 Okay look back at what i said tell where did I ever say anything like that? And yeah Catholics read teh bible what makes you think your interpretation is correct?
@ncast54 Here this is what I said:lintpockets2 THe church is corrupt hmm... so then your saying that 1 billionn people in the world are evil and are just out there to molest children adn then the rest of 5 billion people are saints and are guilty of any accusations.
God Bless our HOLY priest! NOw where did I say the pope is higher than CHrist himself??
And what gives your interpretations its confidence?
@HailMary53 This is what fanatics like Donohue support:
A NYC priest in charge of a boy choir abused boys, tying one over a desk while spanking him AND masturbating onto him. His pastor recommended him for promotion to other parishes & a boys HS where he abused again & again.
The enabling pastor, a darling of the conservatives, was an 'outspoken opponent of porn'.
@19lfm12 Yea the church has more sinners than saints....whats your point? WHAT IS THE POINT OF ALL THIS???!!! The church has sinners but what are you people trying to do out of all this? I dont see whats teh point?
@HailMary53 You lack reading comprehension....Donohue & Opus Dei (which funds him) supports the persons involved in such crimes. I could name names, but that would be unimportant now. Except to illustrate how widespread the sickness is. That it is actively supported & enabled by bishops, local cops, & even the military.
Christ will strike down Ratz & the Vatican in penultimate Justice & Mercy for this & many other evils.
@19lfm12 i stated before teh church has sinners what does that make us? a false church? I have not seen one organization as massive as the RCC that does not have corruption claims...
@HailMary53 A religious entity which makes a living off the Gospel, yet refuses to LIVE it is a false church. It uses Christ as a mere corporate logo & medium of control. Howling about the Catholic Faith....which it does not even believe in.
The point is not that there are corrupt individuals. The point is that the organization, systemically, does not serve God and has not since 325AD.
@19lfm12 What uses Christ as a logo? i dont understand what youre saying... Does the church use Christ or this organization? And what do you mean it does not believe in the Catholic faith? Its the Catholic League...and how does it not serve God? helping the poor? serving the sick? home to homeless? which? and 325 AD? what abou the council?
@HailMary53 The Vatican uses Christ as a corporate logo & medium of control.It does neither believe in nor live the true core of the Catholic Faith. It talks endlessly about certain aspects of it to maintain their pretense, but only as it enables their hegemony.
The Catholic League is of Opus Dei, therefore does not serve God
In 325 the Church became a state religion,making itself & its Administrators 'Ceasar'; the object of loyalty & veneration. Instead of Christ.
@19lfm12 really is that so? the vatican is nothing more than a international coroporate bussiness? well than we should demand for reimburments for our investments right? NO this is just stupid and if the CHurch is only administrators of Ceasar where is the church? This would mean we are lost all the true priests, deacons, and bishops would be dead and there would be no more church
@HailMary53 What Christ established was not to be a hierarchic theocracy. The Kingdom of Heaven owns no worldly goods & never did. It is a spiritual,eternal family of all who try to live the teaching of Christ & believe in Him. It's that simple. The only thing is has ever needed for its existence is the Holy Spirit.
The problem is that after selling out to Mammon in 325, the Vatican Administrators became increasingly deaf to the Spirit. For this, Christ will judge them.
@HailMary53 The Catholic Church is a big dung pile, those deceptive, hypocritical bastards. They lie and chage whatever they wish to change, and their followers are allowing this dung pile to lead them into lawlessness, clearly having fell from the original "Jewish" following of Christ. And do not try to tell me different. I've been on the inside and know more about their filth than you ever will.
@magic038 lol youre so funny...we are the ones who fell from the Jewish traditions? you were on the inside, the inside of what? i am catholic im on the inside, im friar candidate im on the inside, im a church goer im on teh inside, i still have yet to see something that makes it a false church. but if you continue to call the Catholic church a dung pile i will not even talk to you...
@lintpockets2 THe church is corrupt hmm... so then your saying that 1 billionn people in the world are evil and are just out there to molest children adn then the rest of 5 billion people are saints and are guilty of any accusations.
As to Ratzinger being behind bars...the fate in store for him is far worse then that. We know this from Scripture.
God has allowed the evil men in the Vatican to do these things in fulfillment of prophecy. As He allows the Devil to function, so He allows evil men who will not listen to Him to do as they will - to their own destruction.
But there will be penultimate justice, as Jesus said: "Not one stone will be left atop another...Behold: your house shall be left to you, desolate..."
@19lfm12 , what motivates you ? Have you not a girlfriend ? You need some hobbies and recreation. Why do you have this fixation on the Catholic church ? Get out and socialize because you might kill yourself behind the computer.
William Donohue is caught lying here. He said the majority of the victims were post-pubescent, and therefore homosexual acts and not child molestations. Yet THE LAWS OF THIS LAND say under the age of 18 = CHILD! The Vatican's man is trying to hide the facts by changing the definition of the law. I wonder how many judged would laugh such a statement out of the courtroom. All of them?
"We've only had 6 allegations in the last year." WTF I want nothing to do with that cold, callous, abusive church ever again!! The church should be shut down. If child rapes were happening in a daycare it would. Holy my ass!
@DashBake , just google in "jewish rabbi child molestors" and you'll see a whole list of rabbi's. Why is this OK ? Know why ? Because the Catholic church is against abortion and gay rights !!
@k3304 excellent point , what people dont seem to realise (or dont want to , because catholic bashing is so in vouge now ) is that sexual abuse happens EVERYWHERE shocking i know and there was everyone thinking that it only happens in the church, meanwhile while the media g after the church like a relentless rabid rothwiler they give a free pass to all the other institution,s were abuse is going unexposed
@k3304 not that the media care anyway their agenda is to paint the church as a worldwide criminal empire , thats their aim , not to expose sex abuse , or to go after the pursuit of truth (like they claim they do) that why they dig up cases of abuse , keep writing about them over n over again to create the illusion of the criminal empire ,btw it is a homosexual problem 86% of victims were post prubescent males between the ages of 14-17 ,
@mjcbm2008 , you said some things i never even really thought about but are so true. The criminal part of this is that these smoke & mirror media people want to take everyone's eye off the real problems. This shit happens everyday in public schools and we hardly hear about it because they want to bring down the Catholic church. A big payday awaits for those who point a finger. I work with the public, and man, there's lots of goofballs out there !
@mjcbm2008 Anyone who can read at a 5th grade reading level can read history - and see, factually, that the Vatican IS a global criminal empire. The sex abuse goes back ot the early Middle Ages. Bishops, Cardinal & more then a few popes were perverts through the centuries. The number of good ones is VERY few. Fact!
And then there is all that charming greed, conquest, torture, imprisonment & murder of all who dared to question their 'authority'.
@19lfm12 i,d like to see your facts about the abuse in the middle ages (proof mind not myth) there will always be bad clergy, and actually there was over 30 antipopes, guys who usurped the seat of peter,actually at the peak of the current abuse scandal there stood 4% of priests accused worldwide out of that about 1% were convicted now that is a fact,what that means is that the vast majority are being lambasted for the crimes of a few.if your gonna reply do so with facts only please, or just dont
@mjcbm2008 Perhaps you should put down the demonic 'The Way' of Escriva & read history. Anyone who has done more then a cursory study of Mediaval history at univ.level will have read contemporary documentation of clerical abuse of men,women, girls & boys. In the 1600s we have the Piarist scandals.
MANY popes were guilty of all manner of sexual immorality; ditto bishops & Cardinals.
The 'figures' you spout are ONLY those the bishops consider 'credible'; actual numbers of cases are far higher
@19lfm12 did you not see me say there will always be bad clergy(cardinals, priests,bishops) also i said there were over 30 antipopes (usurpers) you dont have to go to uni to know that abuse took place in the past as i,m sure it did in all places, its just common sense. if u dont believe the facts take a look at th john jay college of criminal justice report. it seems that public schools in america are much worse off 290000 cases in the years 1991-2000 compared to about 5000 in th rcc since 1950
2) When one claims to speak/act 'in the Name of God', this bears penultimate moral, ethical & spiritual responsibility. Thus, any evil deed by such men is ALWAYS worse then that done by others
3) Priests & bishops claim to represent & be Christ; hence the above.
4) When abuse is knowingly enabled & approved of by the suprtvising bishops AND the Vatican, they do the work of Satan.
5) The enabler bishops & cardinals serve Satan, not God.
@19lfm12 the only thing i wont condone is the persecution of the innocent clergy and religious in the church, this is done on an almost daily basis in the media and in society itself.anyone with a sense of moral justice would not condone the persecution of innocent people in the name of the guilty, there is no evedince to suggest the pope knew of abuse and covered it up, this was done by local bishops, all files were turned over to the authorities here in ireland the bishops did not decide
@mjcbm2008 The focus of the 100% justifiable moral outrage of many is the abuser priests & the morally bankrupt enable rbishops & CARDINALS....including Ratz. There are no so many smoking guns pointed at him that if he were anyone else, he would be behind bars!
Clue: Bishops work for & answer to their boss - the POPE! The responsibility rests with him.
It is a FACT that the govt.connived with the bishops to hush up abuse allegations....for many decades in the US & Ireland.
@mjcbm2008 There is simply no excuse for 'bad clergy'; still less for the immoral men masquerading as 'bishops' who supervised the abuser priests. The entire Church Hierarchy system is rotten to the core & has been since Nicea.
@19lfm12 look its plain and simple you have an agenda against the church,when i told you about the appauling record of public schools u dident bat an eyelid, or about the decades of abuse in the bot scouts, u say "no its ok for them to molest as they dont act in he name of god" well how about this fox news reports that protestant churches are recieving about 260 cases of abuse per year while the rcc is recieving about 228 dont they also act in the name of god,
@mjcbm2008 The Roman Catholic Church Administration & infrastructure.....is NOT 'the Church'. Nor are the Administrators of the former. 'The Church' consists of those who try to LIVE the Gospel & believe in Jesus of Nazareth.
....the Vatican Administration does none of that. They merely pretend to with much pretense 'for show'. Christ is merely a useful corporate logo to them & a medium of control..
@19lfm12@19lfm12 but i suppose its ok for the protestants too eh? look stop masquerading as somene who cares about abuse victims when clearly u are only interested in the ones who have been victimised by catholic clergy all the rest are excusable as far as your concerned. if there were any evedince against ratzinger (pope) its BECAUSE of who he is he WOULD be behind bars, but again your just making assumptions based on your bias,catholics have owned their sins, its about time bigots like u did
@mjcbm2008 , you forgot Planned Parenthood, too. Theyve been covering up child abuse for decades. The leftists love PP because they perform abortions. Also Obama's ACORN group have been covering up child sex abuse. There's clearly an agenda here because the church is against gay rights and abortion.
@k3304 oh absolutely, pp do far worse they murder millions of babies every year along with as u said cover up child abuse, but like u so correctly point out the church wont let the gays have their way and it denounces abortion, of course this drives the liberals CRAZY and all those who live very immoral lives love to hear about scandals in the church cause they think"g maybe now the church will become discouraged and stop proclaiming the truth" the rcc has seen worse than this and is still here!
@k3304 ...well if you wanna play that game, note well that ACORN had a lot to do with the candidacy of Mr. Obama, of whom you & your ilk have a pathological hatred.
...and ACORN was enabled by......the Catholic Church. The USCCB.
Opus Dei is master at the Dialectic & construction of Strategies of Tension - done via ancilliaries & cooperators They will use the Left, even radical elements, for their ends.
They have played both sides of the Abortion game:)
@mjcbm2008 Catholics are taught that a priest/bishop represents Christ/God...and is Christ. Play with semantics as you wish, that is what documents, catachisms, generations of nuns/priests have taught, what 'saints' have written, & what EWTN teaches.
A child sexually abused by a priest/bishop is mentally & spiritually mindfucked. He is destroyed. Who needs literal Satanic sacrifice, when you can utterly destroy souls of the victims AND their familes by clerical sex abuse?
@19lfm12 u seem to be banging the same drum with nothing new to say,i have already condemned all the abusers in the church(something u have failed to do in other churches and organisations)then u say that a child who is abused by a priest is totally messed up, but really a child who is abused by anyone is damaged,again your obsession is with clerical abuse only. u claim to be catholic but u have a totally false interpretation of the faith, u seem to have bought into a lot of new age thinking
@mjcbm2008 Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse goes back centuries, involving vast numbers of victims & their families. It has infected society with systemic abuse of all kinds in families & society at large. The Church encouraged child abuse in the home. It abused adults - in other then sexual ways.
The entire Priest Culture is built upon Abuse; upon Dominance/Submission. This is not nor every has been 'good' or of the mind of Christ.
@19lfm12 now th boy scouts assocation is comming under fire, seems they have been covering up abuse for decades and it is just starting to come to light that bomb is ready to explode, does this in anyway excuse the church? no way, but it does prove my point that abuse takes place everywhere just not as much in the rcc as the media would have us believe, as for the figures of convicted priests u say are not true, i dont think the bishops have any say as to who is found guilty in a court of law
@mjcbm2008 1) the BSA has not, to the best of my knowledge, claimed to speak in the Name of God, nor to act as the Viceregent of God on earth......
2)Your posts indicate quite clearly that you either tacitly or overtly support the abuser priests & their enabler bishops - leaving you on the same vacant moral authority as the Vatican.
3) The Bishops were the ones deciding what reported abuse was 'credible', before ANY case was turned over to law enforcement. Do not lie!
There needs to be mass protests in front of Catholic churches - DO NOT LET THEM SHIF THE BLAME ONTO THE HOMOSEXUALS. No one is fooled. Write to your congressman, organise vocal non-violent protests, and above all do not let them label gays as pedophiles. A rapist is a rapist... not a homosexual. Don't let them fool you or more children are sure to suffer.
@auntiesanity i agree totally, as a catholic (soon to be former) in ireland i am absolutely sickened by what has been going on in the church and how long it has been covered up by the church and government. these priests who abused should be handed over to the garda, charged with their crimes against children and the hirearchy who covered up should be held accountable and made resign.
i can honestly see the church being abandoned by the people, no bad thing for the protection of our children.
@frolicwitme , pedofilia happens everywhere. You must believe everything you see in the news media. Their aim to to paint the Catholic church as a worldwide criminal network and not see the good they have done. Planned Parenthood has been covering up child sex abuse for decades. So has the jewish faith. Google in the rabbi's who (are accused) or who molested children. You don't read about THEM.
@k3304 So if i follow you that's makes it somewhat okay.You guys never cease to amaze me.Yes it happen everywhere but coming from an institution who has presented for years itself as the "all that is good in humanity" aka "you are not virtuous like us so you will go into fucking hell"...we are going to start wondering...There's a problem in the Catholic church ,but you can just sit there as usual ,bury your head in the sand because you can't stand the truth.
@frozenux , somehow this brings out the anti-Catholic bigots who turn a blind eye to the atrocities of other segments of society. Of course paedofilia is wrong. But, so is focusing on one segment while turning that same blind eye on all others. We get it. Now stick up for the kids molested by jewish rabbi's and sex crimes covered up by Planned Parenthood (among others)
@k3304 if someone gets accused of pedophilia and there's proof, he is going to fucking pay the price simple as that,regardless of who he is.I don't see why it should be any different with priests.And yeah you are absolutely right,we should just stop talking about it because it hurts your feelings and because the "others" do it too.Judging by the magnitude of how rampant that vice is ,there is problem but the Catholic Church(institution) doesn't seem to be really "motivated" to address it..
@frozenux , your key word was "accused" and not "convicted". I believe in innocent until PROVEN guilty, don't you ? During Easter the NY Times has re-hashed the same old story because their circulation is down and The Times is going bankrupt (financially and morally) Have you ever been accused of something you didnt do ? Everyone deserves their day in court. Most of these cases are "he said she said" from 20 years ago because they smell a payday.
@k3304 apparently your mind blanked out the " And There's proof" part in my first sentence.If the C.church doesn't want to wash it's dirty laundry,which affects everyone ,the rest of the society is going to do it for them.Just sit there and keep on sticking up for some of those sick bastards hiding being the pretense of "goodness" and preying on kids.
@ k3304 ,I just hope it will send a clear message to those who are still doing this kind of shit and gets away with it within the Catholic church and other religious institutions.
@frozenux , your bigotry shows because you never mention jewish rabbi's who molested children or Planned Parenthood who has been covering up child sex abuse for decades. Arent ALL children deserving of protection ? You also never mention the US public school system , either, which has 2700 cases of abuse a year.
@k3304 lol because all those cases you just mentioned actually legitimize the covers ups the pope made and what those sick priests did.That's the most retarded argumentation i ever heard....We are not alone at doing this so we shouldn't be held accountable nor be criticized for it.
@frozenux , it's obvious that you dont believe in innocent until proven guilty (except when it involves a Catholic priest). Apparently, you want the Catholic church exposed and not other institutions. You dont think children molested by jewish rabbi's is a big deal. Know what ? Neither does the jewish owned media like the NY Times.
@logolodo , the editor of the New York Times works for the publisher and chairman of the board Arthur Sulzberger. Like i said it's owned by the jews who don't report on the rabbi sex abuses. You have to google them in on the internet. I would like all (convicted) cases to be exposed. How about you ?
@k3304 The blame-shifting maneuver to distract from Catholic clerical sex abuse is the work of the Legion of Christ (Fr. Jonathon Morris, point man) & Opus Dei (e.g. William Donohue).
1. The Vatican & its Administrators claim to represent Christ; Rabbis & public school teachers do not.....
2) The Vatican has existed since 325AD with employees numbering in the millions. Jews have always been a small minority. And public schools have only existed for c.150 years.
@k3304 The Vatican has existed for 1700 years. Has Planned Parenthood? No....and its number of employees & global scope is miniscule compared to the Vatican. US public schools have only existed for 150 years.
Yet we know factually that the Church has been committing AND covering up clerical sex abuse of minors - literally - for centuries.
@k3304 The sheer number of Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse cases is overwhelming. The number of REPORTED cases ONLY covers those which the Church itself deems credible. NOT the vast tide of UNREPORTED cases over decades & centuries. History clearly shows that there were MANY Bishops, Cardinals, & more then a few Popes who were pedophiles.
This has zilch to do with the NYT, 'Jews' or any other smoke screen the Church is trying to hide behind as a blame shift trick!
@19lfm12 , the "sheer number" is 2% compared to 1% in the whole population. Granted, it was a higher number , but not "overwhelming". There's also been many, many false accusation cases. (one this week in the Philadelphia newspaper) Saying "a few Popes" were paedofiles without proof is called a smear. In 2009 there were 2700 cases of child abuse in public schools compared to only 8 in catholic schools (according to John Jay College of Criminal Justice)
@k3304 The 'official' figures ONLY count those cases deemed 'credible' by the Church; the actual number of incidents is far greater. Also vast numbers were never reported due to fear of the Church!
Read history: MANY popes were complete perverts & hedonists. More then a few played with boys (and girls).
Those who defend the Vatican in this may end up sharing its fate. Ponder that....
@19lfm12 , where is your proof that popes were perverts ? Where is your evidence ? You have none. My evidence comes from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. Your evidence is a verbal smear campaign like NY Times. Too bad you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty. And please, google in the child molesting jewish rabbi's, too.
@k3304 The desperate blame shifting campaign to try to make Jews look worse then Catholic clerics is the work of the Legion of Christ & Opus Dei, with Fr.Jonathan Morris, LC as the point man...
You should open a history book or lookup papal history online. There are many lucid & valid sources cited. Historical truth is not a 'smear campaign'.
I can think of three decent popes of modern times: John XXIII, Paul VI & JPI.
@k3304 Any survey or broad case study based on an inadequate sample yields faulty data. That study used the Church supplied figures of those cases which it had internally deemed 'credible' as its basis. We know, factually, that those figures are far from complete. As the Church ignored, rejected abuse claims and/or threatened thousands of victims with lawsuit of excommunication if they talked to the cops.
And we know the cops were in the Church's pockets for decades....
@19lfm12 , please go on facts and statistics. Do some research. A good place to start is the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. Google it in. Don't rely on fear and smears like you normally do. Plus, try to sound intelligent and stop with your bigotry thing. It it makes you sound stupid.
@k3304 Try actually reading the Ryan & Fearns reports from Ireland. These are based upon REAL cases & statistics. The systemic & intergenerational nature & scope of the abuse is horrifying - and true.
As I happen to be Catholic, I may say as I wish in criticism of the Church Administration. Your use of the term 'bigot' is thence laughable.
Unless of course the Prelates & Administration of the Vatican is the object of your faith.....
@19lfm12 , why are you a "Catholic" ? Why don't you leave the church ? Isnt that hypocritical ? Youre a bunch of bullshit and you know it. Your "agenda" is against the Catholic faith and not against the child molesting jewish rabbi's. Why don't you stick up for ALL children and not just a few ?? Arent jewish childen deserving of your ramblings on You Tube ?
@k3304 The blame shifting script you are following is the work of Opus Dei & the Legion of Christ, who are serving Satan in this.
The Catholic Faith has nothing to do with the papacy, hierarchy, infallibility, or the church infrastructure. The Faith is one with what the Apostles & pre-Nicea church believed in. It has never changed.
One of the goals of Opus Dei has been to exclude from the Church those who believe in the core of the Catholic Faith.
@19lfm12 u claim to be catholic but u reject the papacy,the magesterium,the hiererchy, u reject a lot of main dogmas of the faith how then are u catholic?u strike me as a "catholic" who is not happy with the church because because it dosent endorse YOUR beliefs. i on the other hand believe all the teachings of the faith that the church hands down to us i dont cherry pick. why? because i love christ and it is his church. i dislike cowardly catholics who desert the church in bad times,
@mjcbm2008 Belief in the papacy, hiearchy, infallibility, the 'magisterium' are NOT part of the Catholic Faith which come from the Apostles, faithful to Christ & His Gospel. All that is man-made, & one's salvation does not hinge on such 'beliefs' in ANY way. And it never did.
Those of your ilk tortured & murdered Fr.Jan Hus for asserting the same - and many others. None of those 'dogmas' were the teaching of Jesus.
@19lfm12 yes belief in the dogmas of the faith are exactly what it means to be catholic,get your head out of the ground there were loads of false claims of abuse,the church encouraged abuse in the home?the church caused wwII? put the church on trail for the inquisition? your totally nuts! you have a deep seated hatred of catholics and an obsession with clerical abuse which you use to assert your hate, your not catholic your a protestant in denial, u aint tied to the pew take a walk
@mjcbm2008 It would be as easy to try the Vatican for the crimes of its Inquisition(s), as it would be for its moral & spiritual guilt for WWII, resulting in the death of over 60 million in Europe alone! And we have the known cases of Clerical Sex Abuse & the globally orchestrated coverup.
To be a Christian, to be a Catholic, means to try to LIVE the Gospel & believe in Christ. The 'dogmas' you cite are not of the Gospel, nor contained in it.
@mjcbm2008 Jesus Christ did not establish a multi-billion dollar, global, hegemonic theocracy, controlling - or in mutual cooperation - with business & the state, hierarchic & authoritarian as a law unto itself, claiming the sole right to speak for & act in the Name of God; persecuting all who dare question its hegemony, murdering, torturing, stealing & conquering.
Nor did He establish the Ecclesiastical Freemasonry that is Opus Dei.
These things are neither of His Gospel, nor of Christ.
@19lfm12 if it would be so easy to try the rcc for the inquisition then get a lawyer and do so u hate it enought!so so many of your rants are based on your own assumptions that stem from your own prejudice. i was right u are a protestant,wherever it is you go to study maybe if u and your little buddies used that time to get close to god instead of looking for dirt on the rcc maybe u wouldent be filled with such hate.correct me if im wrong but dident a little jumped up german start the war
@mjcbm2008 as for torturing stealing and conquering, i think you,ll find that the protestants did most of that especially the british, there persecution of the irish, when they tried to stamp out all the catholics through the penal laws, not to mention the wonderfull king hendry who threatned to behead anyone who did not renounce their faith and swear an oath to him.the irish suffered persecution for hundreds of years from the protestants, as did many other cathoilcs around the world
Bill Donohue is an idiot. When it's post-pubescent, it's ephebophilia, not homosexuality. But just based on terminology is supposed to make the molestation of young boys by priests okay? Bullshit! Sex is a human psychological need, and when you have priests being abstinent from sex with women, they're going to go after a different target, in this case, altar boys, and sometimes even nuns. Why would they break that vow to begin with? Because God's just going to forgive them later, how convenient!
madderbass 1 month ago
@madderbass It is not ephebophilia until about 15 0r 16. It is pedophilia. Other than that I agree with you completely.
GreyRayWilson 12 hours ago
I wish Einstein made another atomic bomb and dropped it to Vatican. Maybe the world will be more peaceful.
rEsonansDx 2 months ago
Listen slowly but listen.
oneplace.com/ministries/hope-for-the-heart/player/evil-suffering-why-is-god-fair-week-1-of-2-216017.html
Evil is present but I wish the comfort and healing of christ and the love of christ to descend on everyone. and let their anger and rage and depression and acting out be replaced by healing and comfort of our loving christ who hates so abhorantly what happen to them.
PadrePio797 4 months ago
@PadrePio797 LOL
GreyRayWilson 12 hours ago
what the fuck is the point of bringing 4 guests on to discuss a topic and then giving them 3 minutes to talk about it? that was a total waste of time. by the way bill donohue is a disgusting human being.
lordscully 4 months ago
@lordscully Good point
GreyRayWilson 12 hours ago
religion is the worst human mental disorder.
jhledo 5 months ago 2
@jhledo correction...fucked up corrupt money hungry religions and cults are mental disorders. Pure unaltered religions like Islam where no one benefits what so ever except YOU still exist. Islam is not the only real religion left eather but Its sad how the other abrahamic religions are so currupted.
VictumvilleSlugger 5 months ago 2
Homosexuality is a practice between two consenting adults. Where the adult FORCES a "post-pubescent" minor into commiting these acts, it remains paedophilia.
If homosexuality was the issue, it would need to be a matter between consenting adults. Your own statement sums it up: "One would have to have a well thought out argument to convince people that homosexuality was not a major contributor to the problem."
Major contributor - yes. The whole issue - no.
fred19992010 7 months ago
@fred19992010 To say that sex with a post-pubescent minor is paedophilia is just plain wrong. Paedophilia involvles children that are pre-pubescent. Sex with pubescent children is just sex - homosexual or heterosexual. It may still be (rightly) illegal but it's not paedophilia.
Or as a NAMBLA once said, "homosexuals denying that it is 'not gay' to be attracted to adolescent boys are just as ludicrous as heterosexuals saying it's 'not heterosexual' to be attracted to adolescent girls."
Jerrymanda101 7 months ago
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@Jerrymanda101
QUOTE: "Sex with pubescent children is just sex..."
Others will no doubt utterly comdemn you for making such a remark.
But I will simply take this opportunity to point out that this is PRECISELY what the paedophiles believe. This is the true face of Catholicism. This is why all children EVERYWHERE, are permanently in danger from Catholic perverts.
fred19992010 7 months ago
Any parent that allows a Catholic "priest" to have unsupervised access to their children should be referred to Social Services - with a view to removing the child to a safe environment.
fred19992010 7 months ago
THE DESTRUCTION OF RELIGION IS SPOKEN OF GRAPHICALLY IN REVELATION CHAPTERS 17 AND 18,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,YES THE GREAT HARLET!!!!.
ura239 7 months ago
@ura239
Yes, and "Rejoice over her, thou holy apostles and prophets, for God hath avenged you on her."
Burn all Catholic institutions worldwide! You owe it your children. If, one day, your child, or your grand-child, may be molested by a Catholic "priest", you will be ashamed that you did not take action to destroy this worldwide paedophile ring that pretends to be a church. Rise up against the child molesting filth. They are NOT priests. They are vermin.
fred19992010 7 months ago
Notice how Larry King (Paedophile) cuts off BEFORE allowing the other paedophile to answer "at what age is someone POST PUBESCANT" !!!
Larry King is a paedo, the same as the bastard who calls it HOMOSEXUALITY, if the boy has PUBES !!
DIRTY BASTARDS !!!
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 9 months ago
Oh, thank goodness post-pubescent is now legal with the Catholic church! Whew!!!! Had me worried there for a moment - - thought that maybe our little sex-for-money fund raiser with the St. Mary's Jr. High girls was gonna raise some eyebrows. You know how SOME people can get with 12 - 13 year old girls being sold for sex...geez! The tight-asses....at least now everyone knows their POST-PUBESCENT and perfectly LEGAL.
imacceptingbut 10 months ago
According to Bill, if the kids already has a few pubes, their ripe for fucking. Sick.
DamonIcke 1 year ago
@DamonIcke Actually Bill Donohue said no such thing. He simply stated that most of the sexual abuse occurred to post pubescent children and as such cannot be defined as pedophillia which by definition involves sexual contact with children who are prepubescent.
Given that 80% of the Catholic sex abuse was male to male Donohue claims (possibly correctly) that the abuse isn't pedophillic in nature but homosexual.
Jerrymanda101 10 months ago
@Jerrymanda101 Arguing semantics to justify child rape. You catholics are sick people. Next you will tell me 80% of catholic priests were just checking colons and penises of the children for cancer.
DamonIcke 10 months ago
@DamonIcke I've only ever read two statements by you, and they both lack any evidence of coherent thinking. Are you by chance an anti-Catholic?... As anti-Catholics tend to be rather stupid.
Jerrymanda101 10 months ago
@Jerrymanda101 My thinking is only incoherent to those who've been effectively brainwashed by catholic upbringing.I come from a catholic family, but I was able to resist. I bet most anti-catholics, a group I proudly belong to, come from catholic families. I'll help explain my "incoherent thinking" .First of all, don't believe a word of the bible. I disagree with the catholic church on every major issue. On top of that they rape kids and "god" called for the coverup.
DamonIcke 10 months ago
@Jerrymanda101
Anti-Catholics tend to be stupid?
And why is it that Catholics tend to be paedophiles?
What a vile and sick people you are, professing to love God, whilst raping children, and then taking confession from other people.
Are you still taking confession with these "priests"?
Would you allow a Catholic priest to babysit your children?
fred19992010 7 months ago
@fred19992010 Yes Fred anti-Catholics seem to be rather stupid. Look at just some of them: KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, Fundamentalists (Protestant and Islamic), Communists.
Jerrymanda101 7 months ago
@Jerrymanda101
Westboro Baptist Church? Fred Phelps? Communists? KKK? And Funamentalists? Why Fundamentalists? After all, the ENTIRE Anglican Church is "anti-catholic" (which is in fact their reason for being).
Why do you claim Communists are stupid? Marx was an idiot? Lenin was a fool? Stalin was a nincompoop? I think not!
I ask you again - would you leave your children in the care of a Catholic priest?
fred19992010 7 months ago
@Jerrymanda101 LOL!!--- u r brainwashed!--- you actually think WB "Baptist" is some kind of "fundamentalist." They are professional Activists, take money from the left, get awards from the left, Naacp, etc., Fred Phelps has run for office on left, etc. These are all just political activist groups (many put together to discredit the very things they are purporting to be). And you think "anti-catholics" are stupid? At least name some real anti-catholics before you go on like that, lol
westchesterny 5 months ago
@Jerrymanda101
"most of the sexual abuse occurred to post pubescent children and as such cannot be defined as pedophillia..."
And where exactly does Donahue get this information? The word "most" is not sufficient to such a discussion. Unless you can tell me the exact, or even approximate, figures - such as 70-30, or 60-40, stating "most" means nothing at all. If the issue is homosexuality, why were ANY children raped?
fred19992010 7 months ago
@fred19992010 The statistics for the sex abuse in the Catholic Church in the USA are well known - 80 to 85 percent of the sex abuse was male to male. In fact the high level of male to male abuse is the only aspect of Catholic sex abuse scandle that separates it from all other institutional sex abuse. One would have to have a well thought out argument to convince people that homosexuality was not a major contributor to the problem. You may well have such an argument, but I've yet to hear it.
Jerrymanda101 7 months ago
@Jerrymanda101
I'm not even sure what it is that you, and Donahue, are arguing. If the crux of the matter is homosexuality, why were these "priests" not raping grown men, as happens? Also, Catholic priests do not have the easy access to young girls (who are in the charge of nuns) that they have to boys.
I have seen no solid evidence that they are particularly fussy, either way. Seems to me they would rape WHATEVER defenseless child they could get their hands on.
fred19992010 7 months ago
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@fred19992010 Actually, if you follow the thread back you'll see I was just responding to the anti-Catholic drivel of DamonIcke who said: "According to Bill [Donohue], if the kids already has a few pubes, their ripe for fucking."
Of course Donohue said no such thing. But like I said anti-Catholics tend to be rather stupid.
Jerrymanda101 7 months ago
@fred19992010 they're trying to justify sex abuse, as they justify their Genocides, inquisitions, money grabbing from poor, via "Welfare States" they get compromised "third world" "(fake) converts" to vote for, so they can get taxes of non-catholics through the "tithes" of the welfare-supported catholics. The payoffs for justifying pedophilia, "crusades" (genocides), "inquisitions" (extortion-torture of whoever doesn't give them money), is obviously large. the pope has a nice mansion.
westchesterny 5 months ago
@westchesterny
I'll send you another video, if you're not on "Friend Lock", where I've been "arguing" with one of these Catholic paedophile apologists for MONTHS now!
fred19992010 5 months ago
@fred19992010 Why people would justify pedophilia, anymore than the 400 year's torture of inquisitions, or the horror of burning so many people alive, on the basis of not sharing an IDEA s/a transubstantiation. (Some catholics don't even know what that is, lol; definitely not some of the more illiterate "converts" one can speak to (who have no real idea of the history, what they are brought into, totally blindly, and to be used for votes and tools politically, what a sad thing!)
westchesterny 5 months ago
@fred19992010 Re-framIng about whether it's pre-or-post pubescent is just a tactic to deflect accountability. RCC teaches "infallible doctrine," . This Idea is deeply ingrained, so accountability difficult for them. Or they become hyper-accountable, then grovel in humiliation, EITHER WAY, show themselves incapable of really taking in what's been done TO OTHER PEOPLE. Essentially, it indoctrinates narcissism. That's why the screaming about "moral relativism" (empathy to others).
westchesterny 5 months ago
They should not have cut this debate so short. It needed to continue, every word this man speaks is another stab through the heart of Catholicism.
cheezisgoooood 1 year ago
Evil can invade any person or organization, including unfortunately the catholic church...however all should not be not be judged for the actions of a few. may god have mercy on us all....
orionkobet 1 year ago
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It is more difficult for practicing homosexuals to enter the priesthood? That's a "very good thing"? I want to ask this audience why this is the first thing this man says in response to his question and also, why practicing homosexuals are being equated with CHILD ABUSERS. Post-pubescent abuse does not make it pedophilia? I cannot believe this man. He does not represent anyone responsibly, including the Catholic Church. Sinead is a model of responsible representation here.
zambiastu 1 year ago
It is more difficult for practicing homosexuals to enter the priesthood? That's a "very good thing"? I want to ask this audience why this is the first thing this man says in response to his question and also, why practicing homosexuals are being equated with CHILD ABUSERS. Post-pubescent abuse does not make it pedophilia? I cannot believe this man. He does not represent anyone responsibly, inclusing the Catholic Church. Sinead is a model of responsible representation here.
zambiastu 1 year ago
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Oh bill...you mean well but you do more harm than good....
majewskproductions 1 year ago
The best thing the Roman Catholic Church can do is to just fold up and DIE!!! What a repulsive cult
medesdaddy 1 year ago
@medesdaddy amen haha
t1oxETy 11 months ago
Bill doesnt seem to know what he is talking about. He will say anything as long as it protects the church. He never seems to show emotion towards the victims.
vonnes3 1 year ago
May God deliver the catholic church.
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despinapjr 1 year ago
im going to run into the vatican and strangle the pope with his rosary enough said
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magic038 1 year ago
Catholicism along with other world religions are all false religions. You cannot serve GOD and be homosexual. The bible is real clear about this matter in
1 Corinthians 6:9,10 there are other text in the bible that say the same thing!!!
kaosshade 1 year ago
The notion that the Pope covered up sex abuse is a pernicious lie. The only case where he is accused of doing so is the case of Fr. Murphy - in that case, Fr. Murphy supposedly committed the crimes in the 50s, and the victim did not alert the authorities until the 70s, at which time the police investigated and dropped the charges. The Pope (Cardinal Ratzinger) did not find out until 1996, and ordered an investigation. Fr. Murphy died within a year and so there was nothing more that he could do.
ModerateGuy738 1 year ago
@ModerateGuy738 1) As head of the CDF & 2nd in command to JP2, Ratz was aware of ALL the sex abuse complaints & directed the global bishop's coverup.
2) The Vatican has been aware of sex abuse for at least 1000 years. It is cited in the 1917 Code of Canon Law & Pope Paul VI was made personally aware of the coverups in the US in 1965.
3) Do not LIE.....you are not fooling anybody, least of all God!
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 1) No, he did not. There's only one case where he's accused of covering anything up, and it was the Fr. Hullerman case, in which the records show he took disciplinary action for the first offense and was already at another post before subsequent offenses.
2) No, it hasn't. You're just fabricating nonsense now. The Vatican takes disciplinary action on EVERY CASE it's informed of.
3) You're just regurgitating lies you've been told by the NYT. Try researching for once.
ModerateGuy738 1 year ago
@ModerateGuy738 As every Chancery in the world is connected to the Vatican by telex, fax, internet, secure phone lines, plus the resources of their extensive diplomatic network (with even more com methods), let's not play games here. They are not communicating by jungle drums or messengers on foot!
The Vatican is informed of abuse cases; both by 'official' notice (which becomes a matter of record) & off the record communiques. The oldest Intel network in the world.....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@ModerateGuy738 There is a lot more then just 'one case' in re Herr Ratz. And this has nothing to do with the NYT.
Rooms full of abuse records in the US have been either 'hidden' or transferred to Vatican soil (in Rome or nunciature property). Years ago.....
Most victims were silent out of fear of the Church. The number of cases reported to the Church is vastly more then you know; most swept under the rug.
19lfm12 1 year ago
stop using the bible as a source of evidence for your religion(s), it is not a valid source of information, and everyone knows that, whether they are willing to admit it or not. find some other way of proving your ridiculous, ignorant and narrow-minded world view (good luck finding one).
CTaylor1883 1 year ago
Christian brothers and sisters ,The Roman Catholic church is the harlot woman which Bible prophecy warned us about in Rev 17. The false church sits on the city which lays on seven hills Bible prophecy stated. We All know Rome sits on seven hills and The Roman catholic church sits in Rome ,so in conclusion the Roman catholic church is the Harlot woman the very same church the anti christ and false prohet will come out of and decieve the whole world before Christ jesus will return.
lacatuscovalschi 1 year ago
the catholic church is from the devil!
camarada911 1 year ago
Google "Long list of Jewish Child Molestor Rabbis gets no media coverage and Jewish homosexual pedophiles are undisturbed." You'll be surprised.
SiriusLumino 1 year ago
@SiriusLumino
because the jews aremt pointing the finger at everyone else in the media like the catholic church does
ThisIsCyfe 1 year ago
@ThisIsCyfe No, it's because the Jews control Western media, and they are partial to using their power to present Christians in a negative light whenever possible and to downplay or hide anything negative that has to do with Jews.
w w w. davidduke. c o m/general/how-jewish-is-hollywood_6614.h t m l
SiriusLumino 1 year ago
@SiriusLumino
whoa dont send david duke links, hes a dousche. i know all about the nwo and what not but david duke is nothing but your run of the mill blame-the-blacks and the jews race monger.
personally all of the abrahamic religions are full of shit
ThisIsCyfe 1 year ago
@ThisIsCyfe Why do you think David Duke is a 'dousche' (sic)? Because he wants to preserve the White race and our different cultures and ethnicities? Because he points out what Jews do and did - what Jews themselves admit to doing and having done? Because he shares official statistics on the crime rates of blacks? Do you hate reality so much that you feel the need to take it out on the messenger?
SiriusLumino 1 year ago
@SiriusLumino
Reality is based on perception. Perception is relative. Chew on that for a while
I can give you statistics showing that the rates of pedophilia among white men is well about that of black men. But thats just statistics. I can say things like white people started all wars in america and it would be true because every president we have had so far save for obama was white. but that would just be immature and observatory. We are a human race.
ThisIsCyfe 1 year ago
@ThisIsCyfe I sincerely doubt any stats you can dig up on White pedophiles would beat this:
w w w.medscape. co m/viewarticle/444213
I've noticed that liberals often tend to denigrate the validity of statistics when the results don't support their worldview. Sorry, but math doesn't become valid or invalid depending on whether or not you like the results.
We are not a human race. We are a human species (Homo Sapiens), with various sub-species, or races.
SiriusLumino 1 year ago
@SiriusLumino
color and bone structure have already been proven not be substantial enough to classify as a subspecies or seperate species all together. it takes substantial genetic difference to qualify as a subspecies. it requires that a creature completely evolved new genetic features and biological differences.
and secondly, im not a liberal or conservative. those are terms made up by people who like to argue instead of learning the truth
ThisIsCyfe 1 year ago
@ThisIsCyfe Subspecies and race is the same thing; subspecies is just a fancier term.
Forensic scientists can determine race just by looking at a pile of human bones. h t t p: / /erectuswalksamongst.u s/Chap9. h t m l
I don't have time to go into depth on racial differences, so if you want to learn more, Google "evidence that racial groupings match real genetic profiles stormfront" to get to a database of links to research studies and articles on the subject:
SiriusLumino 1 year ago
@SiriusLumino
actually i studied anthropology for 4 years.
Negroid, mongoloid and caucasoid are the 3 skeletal groupings. people today are a mix of those features for the most part. A forensic anthropologist can look at a pile of bones and make an EDUCATED guess as to the POSSIBLE race of the remains. It is only used for bone identification, it doesnt determine anything further than that, dna testing is usually used for more in depth studies. There is a difference
ThisIsCyfe 1 year ago
@ThisIsCyfe Aboriginals aren't Negroes.
"When a complete skeleton is available, the level of reliability in establishing sex, age, and race through anthropometrics is almost 100%. Pelvic bones alone offer a 95% reliability, while pelvic bones plus the skull result in an accurate estimation 98% of the time."
w w w.enotes.c o m/forensic-science/anthropometry
You should ask your anthropology teachers for a refund.
SiriusLumino 1 year ago
@SiriusLumino
? who was talking about aborighnees? The "Black", "white" and "asian" and "hispanic"groupings are useless scientifically. we will disregard those
Secondly, very few groups of people walking around today share features strictly of one type. Basically, you will see "black" people with narrow noses and "white" people with broad noses. We have intermixed for thousands of years, creating various ethnicities and develop different features. globalization then furthered that process
ThisIsCyfe 1 year ago
@ThisIsCyfe Ah, I see your problem. You appear to be under the impression that there are no pure races left in this world. Obviously, you have never read "Human Genome Variation" in "Science" magazine, because if you had, you'd know that the East Asian, European, and sub-Saharan African races are very pure indeed, even to this day. ;)
SiriusLumino 1 year ago
@SiriusLumino
Actually the remains pretty much point to the fact that the so called races are more spread out than we thought. There are caucasoid africans and mongoloid africans etc. There is a tribe in africa that is actually more closely related to the indigenous chinese than most asians, interesting isnt it?
ThisIsCyfe 1 year ago
@ThisIsCyfe Name these Caucasoid and Mongoloid Africans you speak of, and post a link to support your assertion that there is an African (read "Negroid") tribe more genetically similar to Chinese than other East Asians such as Japanese and Koreans.
SiriusLumino 1 year ago
@SiriusLumino
also, you cant make definitive decisions from pelvic bones or even skulls (most of the time skull thickness and the way the nose sits on the face is used to define "race"). one would need a full skeleton to make a without a doubt call. Now dna is something different. You would be suprised how many caucasian-appearing remains were dug up in north africa and how many negroid remains were found in the area we now call spain. it isnt all clean cut
ThisIsCyfe 1 year ago
@ThisIsCyfe Hmm, it looks like you haven't read the link I provided. Go read it again. As for Caucasian remains in Africa and Negroid remains in Spain - what point is this supposed to make? I should think most people would know that the Romans had all types of slaves, including Negroes, and that Whites have done a whole lot of exploring. Heck, ancient Caucasian remains have been found in China.
SiriusLumino 1 year ago
@ThisIsCyfe The David Duke article directly quotes an LA Times article in which a Jew (Joel Stein) openly and brashly admits that the Jews control the media:
ht t p://articles.latimes.c o m/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19
SiriusLumino 1 year ago
@SiriusLumino
I think when you rise up mentally and really understand how the world works, you will understand there are 3 types of people involved in this, sheep, wolves and wolves dressed as sheep
ThisIsCyfe 1 year ago
@ThisIsCyfe Way ahead of you, dude.
SiriusLumino 1 year ago
Hey Holy Fathers of Catholic Church, do me a favor, while preaching to my parents in sermons a few minutes later, can you just wash your hands and pants to get off our congregation of sperms and anal hairs??
Funny that my friends say that your delivery of sermons in the Catholic Church has the breath of ............get this ........ meat balls !!??
Don't worry if police are coming after you pedophile priests, bishops & cardinals, S.American Nazi will reciprocate and hide u from justice too.
AzerChristians 1 year ago
.catholic church is not the model,JESUS is
ncast54 1 year ago
@ncast54 care to elaborate??
Vive il Papa!
HailMary53 1 year ago
@HailMary53 You have to kidding me, you are saying that the pope is higher in aithority then the savior Jesus. I suppose the pope die a horrific death on the cross, get real. Do yourself a favor READ the bible. Actually read it, start with Jonh 3 16
ncast54 1 year ago
@ncast54 Okay look back at what i said tell where did I ever say anything like that? And yeah Catholics read teh bible what makes you think your interpretation is correct?
God bless the Catholic CHurch!
HailMary53 1 year ago
@HailMary53 Ok Cathloics read their bible,Kudos.....My interpretation as oppose to yours. You need to give examples
ncast54 1 year ago
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@ncast54 Here this is what I said:lintpockets2 THe church is corrupt hmm... so then your saying that 1 billionn people in the world are evil and are just out there to molest children adn then the rest of 5 billion people are saints and are guilty of any accusations.
God Bless our HOLY priest! NOw where did I say the pope is higher than CHrist himself??
And what gives your interpretations its confidence?
Ave Maria!
HailMary53 1 year ago
@HailMary53 vive il papa my ass, hope one day he will go to jail for covering up al the sex offenses his preists committed.
DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago
@HailMary53 This is what fanatics like Donohue support:
A NYC priest in charge of a boy choir abused boys, tying one over a desk while spanking him AND masturbating onto him. His pastor recommended him for promotion to other parishes & a boys HS where he abused again & again.
The enabling pastor, a darling of the conservatives, was an 'outspoken opponent of porn'.
So much for spirtual coherence......
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Yea the church has more sinners than saints....whats your point? WHAT IS THE POINT OF ALL THIS???!!! The church has sinners but what are you people trying to do out of all this? I dont see whats teh point?
Vive il Papa!
HailMary53 1 year ago
@HailMary53 You lack reading comprehension....Donohue & Opus Dei (which funds him) supports the persons involved in such crimes. I could name names, but that would be unimportant now. Except to illustrate how widespread the sickness is. That it is actively supported & enabled by bishops, local cops, & even the military.
Christ will strike down Ratz & the Vatican in penultimate Justice & Mercy for this & many other evils.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 i stated before teh church has sinners what does that make us? a false church? I have not seen one organization as massive as the RCC that does not have corruption claims...
Ave Maria
HailMary53 1 year ago
@HailMary53 A religious entity which makes a living off the Gospel, yet refuses to LIVE it is a false church. It uses Christ as a mere corporate logo & medium of control. Howling about the Catholic Faith....which it does not even believe in.
The point is not that there are corrupt individuals. The point is that the organization, systemically, does not serve God and has not since 325AD.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 What uses Christ as a logo? i dont understand what youre saying... Does the church use Christ or this organization? And what do you mean it does not believe in the Catholic faith? Its the Catholic League...and how does it not serve God? helping the poor? serving the sick? home to homeless? which? and 325 AD? what abou the council?
Ave Maria.
HailMary53 1 year ago
@HailMary53 The Vatican uses Christ as a corporate logo & medium of control.It does neither believe in nor live the true core of the Catholic Faith. It talks endlessly about certain aspects of it to maintain their pretense, but only as it enables their hegemony.
The Catholic League is of Opus Dei, therefore does not serve God
In 325 the Church became a state religion,making itself & its Administrators 'Ceasar'; the object of loyalty & veneration. Instead of Christ.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 really is that so? the vatican is nothing more than a international coroporate bussiness? well than we should demand for reimburments for our investments right? NO this is just stupid and if the CHurch is only administrators of Ceasar where is the church? This would mean we are lost all the true priests, deacons, and bishops would be dead and there would be no more church
Ave Maria!
HailMary53 1 year ago
@HailMary53 What Christ established was not to be a hierarchic theocracy. The Kingdom of Heaven owns no worldly goods & never did. It is a spiritual,eternal family of all who try to live the teaching of Christ & believe in Him. It's that simple. The only thing is has ever needed for its existence is the Holy Spirit.
The problem is that after selling out to Mammon in 325, the Vatican Administrators became increasingly deaf to the Spirit. For this, Christ will judge them.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@HailMary53 The Catholic Church is a big dung pile, those deceptive, hypocritical bastards. They lie and chage whatever they wish to change, and their followers are allowing this dung pile to lead them into lawlessness, clearly having fell from the original "Jewish" following of Christ. And do not try to tell me different. I've been on the inside and know more about their filth than you ever will.
magic038 1 year ago
@magic038 lol youre so funny...we are the ones who fell from the Jewish traditions? you were on the inside, the inside of what? i am catholic im on the inside, im friar candidate im on the inside, im a church goer im on teh inside, i still have yet to see something that makes it a false church. but if you continue to call the Catholic church a dung pile i will not even talk to you...
Viva il Papa
HailMary53 1 year ago
@HailMary53 You're in for some surprises. The only proof I can offer is time. The Catholic Church is not whot hey say they are. It will be known.
magic038 1 year ago
Read a novel called On This Rock by Dave Leonard. It'll tell you all you need to know about this corrupt so called church
lintpockets2 1 year ago
@lintpockets2 THe church is corrupt hmm... so then your saying that 1 billionn people in the world are evil and are just out there to molest children adn then the rest of 5 billion people are saints and are guilty of any accusations.
God Bless our HOLY priest!
HailMary53 1 year ago
If the catholics have a lot to teach all of the rest of the world, then I should become a farmer....
TheManInTheMasks 1 year ago
We only know of 6 paedophile priests, that makes me feel better.
yatter1 1 year ago
As to Ratzinger being behind bars...the fate in store for him is far worse then that. We know this from Scripture.
God has allowed the evil men in the Vatican to do these things in fulfillment of prophecy. As He allows the Devil to function, so He allows evil men who will not listen to Him to do as they will - to their own destruction.
But there will be penultimate justice, as Jesus said: "Not one stone will be left atop another...Behold: your house shall be left to you, desolate..."
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 , what motivates you ? Have you not a girlfriend ? You need some hobbies and recreation. Why do you have this fixation on the Catholic church ? Get out and socialize because you might kill yourself behind the computer.
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 By your words you show what you are & serve.....
19lfm12 1 year ago
William Donohue is caught lying here. He said the majority of the victims were post-pubescent, and therefore homosexual acts and not child molestations. Yet THE LAWS OF THIS LAND say under the age of 18 = CHILD! The Vatican's man is trying to hide the facts by changing the definition of the law. I wonder how many judged would laugh such a statement out of the courtroom. All of them?
NicholasPOGM 1 year ago
"We've only had 6 allegations in the last year." WTF I want nothing to do with that cold, callous, abusive church ever again!! The church should be shut down. If child rapes were happening in a daycare it would. Holy my ass!
jwils924 1 year ago
Planned Parenthood has been covering up sex abuse for decades, has the jewish media who never report on rabbi child abuse.
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 Made me Lol.
DashBake 1 year ago
@DashBake , just google in "jewish rabbi child molestors" and you'll see a whole list of rabbi's. Why is this OK ? Know why ? Because the Catholic church is against abortion and gay rights !!
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 excellent point , what people dont seem to realise (or dont want to , because catholic bashing is so in vouge now ) is that sexual abuse happens EVERYWHERE shocking i know and there was everyone thinking that it only happens in the church, meanwhile while the media g after the church like a relentless rabid rothwiler they give a free pass to all the other institution,s were abuse is going unexposed
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@k3304 not that the media care anyway their agenda is to paint the church as a worldwide criminal empire , thats their aim , not to expose sex abuse , or to go after the pursuit of truth (like they claim they do) that why they dig up cases of abuse , keep writing about them over n over again to create the illusion of the criminal empire ,btw it is a homosexual problem 86% of victims were post prubescent males between the ages of 14-17 ,
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 , you said some things i never even really thought about but are so true. The criminal part of this is that these smoke & mirror media people want to take everyone's eye off the real problems. This shit happens everyday in public schools and we hardly hear about it because they want to bring down the Catholic church. A big payday awaits for those who point a finger. I work with the public, and man, there's lots of goofballs out there !
k3304 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 Anyone who can read at a 5th grade reading level can read history - and see, factually, that the Vatican IS a global criminal empire. The sex abuse goes back ot the early Middle Ages. Bishops, Cardinal & more then a few popes were perverts through the centuries. The number of good ones is VERY few. Fact!
And then there is all that charming greed, conquest, torture, imprisonment & murder of all who dared to question their 'authority'.
Obviously such men do not believe in God.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 i,d like to see your facts about the abuse in the middle ages (proof mind not myth) there will always be bad clergy, and actually there was over 30 antipopes, guys who usurped the seat of peter,actually at the peak of the current abuse scandal there stood 4% of priests accused worldwide out of that about 1% were convicted now that is a fact,what that means is that the vast majority are being lambasted for the crimes of a few.if your gonna reply do so with facts only please, or just dont
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 Perhaps you should put down the demonic 'The Way' of Escriva & read history. Anyone who has done more then a cursory study of Mediaval history at univ.level will have read contemporary documentation of clerical abuse of men,women, girls & boys. In the 1600s we have the Piarist scandals.
MANY popes were guilty of all manner of sexual immorality; ditto bishops & Cardinals.
The 'figures' you spout are ONLY those the bishops consider 'credible'; actual numbers of cases are far higher
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 did you not see me say there will always be bad clergy(cardinals, priests,bishops) also i said there were over 30 antipopes (usurpers) you dont have to go to uni to know that abuse took place in the past as i,m sure it did in all places, its just common sense. if u dont believe the facts take a look at th john jay college of criminal justice report. it seems that public schools in america are much worse off 290000 cases in the years 1991-2000 compared to about 5000 in th rcc since 1950
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 1) I referred to recognized popes only
2) When one claims to speak/act 'in the Name of God', this bears penultimate moral, ethical & spiritual responsibility. Thus, any evil deed by such men is ALWAYS worse then that done by others
3) Priests & bishops claim to represent & be Christ; hence the above.
4) When abuse is knowingly enabled & approved of by the suprtvising bishops AND the Vatican, they do the work of Satan.
5) The enabler bishops & cardinals serve Satan, not God.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 the only thing i wont condone is the persecution of the innocent clergy and religious in the church, this is done on an almost daily basis in the media and in society itself.anyone with a sense of moral justice would not condone the persecution of innocent people in the name of the guilty, there is no evedince to suggest the pope knew of abuse and covered it up, this was done by local bishops, all files were turned over to the authorities here in ireland the bishops did not decide
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 The focus of the 100% justifiable moral outrage of many is the abuser priests & the morally bankrupt enable rbishops & CARDINALS....including Ratz. There are no so many smoking guns pointed at him that if he were anyone else, he would be behind bars!
Clue: Bishops work for & answer to their boss - the POPE! The responsibility rests with him.
It is a FACT that the govt.connived with the bishops to hush up abuse allegations....for many decades in the US & Ireland.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 There is simply no excuse for 'bad clergy'; still less for the immoral men masquerading as 'bishops' who supervised the abuser priests. The entire Church Hierarchy system is rotten to the core & has been since Nicea.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 look its plain and simple you have an agenda against the church,when i told you about the appauling record of public schools u dident bat an eyelid, or about the decades of abuse in the bot scouts, u say "no its ok for them to molest as they dont act in he name of god" well how about this fox news reports that protestant churches are recieving about 260 cases of abuse per year while the rcc is recieving about 228 dont they also act in the name of god,
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 The Roman Catholic Church Administration & infrastructure.....is NOT 'the Church'. Nor are the Administrators of the former. 'The Church' consists of those who try to LIVE the Gospel & believe in Jesus of Nazareth.
....the Vatican Administration does none of that. They merely pretend to with much pretense 'for show'. Christ is merely a useful corporate logo to them & a medium of control..
FOX & EWTN: your Opus Dei networks:)
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 @19lfm12 but i suppose its ok for the protestants too eh? look stop masquerading as somene who cares about abuse victims when clearly u are only interested in the ones who have been victimised by catholic clergy all the rest are excusable as far as your concerned. if there were any evedince against ratzinger (pope) its BECAUSE of who he is he WOULD be behind bars, but again your just making assumptions based on your bias,catholics have owned their sins, its about time bigots like u did
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 , you forgot Planned Parenthood, too. Theyve been covering up child abuse for decades. The leftists love PP because they perform abortions. Also Obama's ACORN group have been covering up child sex abuse. There's clearly an agenda here because the church is against gay rights and abortion.
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 oh absolutely, pp do far worse they murder millions of babies every year along with as u said cover up child abuse, but like u so correctly point out the church wont let the gays have their way and it denounces abortion, of course this drives the liberals CRAZY and all those who live very immoral lives love to hear about scandals in the church cause they think"g maybe now the church will become discouraged and stop proclaiming the truth" the rcc has seen worse than this and is still here!
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 , these are the same leftists who defend Roman Polanski
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 ...well if you wanna play that game, note well that ACORN had a lot to do with the candidacy of Mr. Obama, of whom you & your ilk have a pathological hatred.
...and ACORN was enabled by......the Catholic Church. The USCCB.
Opus Dei is master at the Dialectic & construction of Strategies of Tension - done via ancilliaries & cooperators They will use the Left, even radical elements, for their ends.
They have played both sides of the Abortion game:)
19lfm12 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 Catholics are taught that a priest/bishop represents Christ/God...and is Christ. Play with semantics as you wish, that is what documents, catachisms, generations of nuns/priests have taught, what 'saints' have written, & what EWTN teaches.
A child sexually abused by a priest/bishop is mentally & spiritually mindfucked. He is destroyed. Who needs literal Satanic sacrifice, when you can utterly destroy souls of the victims AND their familes by clerical sex abuse?
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 bloody hell tell me something i dont know!
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@19lfm12 u seem to be banging the same drum with nothing new to say,i have already condemned all the abusers in the church(something u have failed to do in other churches and organisations)then u say that a child who is abused by a priest is totally messed up, but really a child who is abused by anyone is damaged,again your obsession is with clerical abuse only. u claim to be catholic but u have a totally false interpretation of the faith, u seem to have bought into a lot of new age thinking
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse goes back centuries, involving vast numbers of victims & their families. It has infected society with systemic abuse of all kinds in families & society at large. The Church encouraged child abuse in the home. It abused adults - in other then sexual ways.
The entire Priest Culture is built upon Abuse; upon Dominance/Submission. This is not nor every has been 'good' or of the mind of Christ.
It is of the Other Guy....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 now th boy scouts assocation is comming under fire, seems they have been covering up abuse for decades and it is just starting to come to light that bomb is ready to explode, does this in anyway excuse the church? no way, but it does prove my point that abuse takes place everywhere just not as much in the rcc as the media would have us believe, as for the figures of convicted priests u say are not true, i dont think the bishops have any say as to who is found guilty in a court of law
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 1) the BSA has not, to the best of my knowledge, claimed to speak in the Name of God, nor to act as the Viceregent of God on earth......
2)Your posts indicate quite clearly that you either tacitly or overtly support the abuser priests & their enabler bishops - leaving you on the same vacant moral authority as the Vatican.
3) The Bishops were the ones deciding what reported abuse was 'credible', before ANY case was turned over to law enforcement. Do not lie!
19lfm12 1 year ago
@usurynation It's just a good thing people with your mentality are not running the country. I guess it sucks to be you on that point.
equalityboy81 1 year ago
There needs to be mass protests in front of Catholic churches - DO NOT LET THEM SHIF THE BLAME ONTO THE HOMOSEXUALS. No one is fooled. Write to your congressman, organise vocal non-violent protests, and above all do not let them label gays as pedophiles. A rapist is a rapist... not a homosexual. Don't let them fool you or more children are sure to suffer.
auntiesanity 1 year ago
@auntiesanity i agree totally, as a catholic (soon to be former) in ireland i am absolutely sickened by what has been going on in the church and how long it has been covered up by the church and government. these priests who abused should be handed over to the garda, charged with their crimes against children and the hirearchy who covered up should be held accountable and made resign.
i can honestly see the church being abandoned by the people, no bad thing for the protection of our children.
frolicwitme 1 year ago
@frolicwitme , pedofilia happens everywhere. You must believe everything you see in the news media. Their aim to to paint the Catholic church as a worldwide criminal network and not see the good they have done. Planned Parenthood has been covering up child sex abuse for decades. So has the jewish faith. Google in the rabbi's who (are accused) or who molested children. You don't read about THEM.
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 So if i follow you that's makes it somewhat okay.You guys never cease to amaze me.Yes it happen everywhere but coming from an institution who has presented for years itself as the "all that is good in humanity" aka "you are not virtuous like us so you will go into fucking hell"...we are going to start wondering...There's a problem in the Catholic church ,but you can just sit there as usual ,bury your head in the sand because you can't stand the truth.
frozenux 1 year ago
@frozenux , somehow this brings out the anti-Catholic bigots who turn a blind eye to the atrocities of other segments of society. Of course paedofilia is wrong. But, so is focusing on one segment while turning that same blind eye on all others. We get it. Now stick up for the kids molested by jewish rabbi's and sex crimes covered up by Planned Parenthood (among others)
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 if someone gets accused of pedophilia and there's proof, he is going to fucking pay the price simple as that,regardless of who he is.I don't see why it should be any different with priests.And yeah you are absolutely right,we should just stop talking about it because it hurts your feelings and because the "others" do it too.Judging by the magnitude of how rampant that vice is ,there is problem but the Catholic Church(institution) doesn't seem to be really "motivated" to address it..
frozenux 1 year ago
@frozenux The only thing The Catholic church seems to be worried about is its fucking "image"not the well being of its members.
frozenux 1 year ago
@frozenux , your key word was "accused" and not "convicted". I believe in innocent until PROVEN guilty, don't you ? During Easter the NY Times has re-hashed the same old story because their circulation is down and The Times is going bankrupt (financially and morally) Have you ever been accused of something you didnt do ? Everyone deserves their day in court. Most of these cases are "he said she said" from 20 years ago because they smell a payday.
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 apparently your mind blanked out the " And There's proof" part in my first sentence.If the C.church doesn't want to wash it's dirty laundry,which affects everyone ,the rest of the society is going to do it for them.Just sit there and keep on sticking up for some of those sick bastards hiding being the pretense of "goodness" and preying on kids.
frozenux 1 year ago
@ k3304 ,I just hope it will send a clear message to those who are still doing this kind of shit and gets away with it within the Catholic church and other religious institutions.
frozenux 1 year ago
@frozenux , your bigotry shows because you never mention jewish rabbi's who molested children or Planned Parenthood who has been covering up child sex abuse for decades. Arent ALL children deserving of protection ? You also never mention the US public school system , either, which has 2700 cases of abuse a year.
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 lol because all those cases you just mentioned actually legitimize the covers ups the pope made and what those sick priests did.That's the most retarded argumentation i ever heard....We are not alone at doing this so we shouldn't be held accountable nor be criticized for it.
frozenux 1 year ago
@frozenux , it's obvious that you dont believe in innocent until proven guilty (except when it involves a Catholic priest). Apparently, you want the Catholic church exposed and not other institutions. You dont think children molested by jewish rabbi's is a big deal. Know what ? Neither does the jewish owned media like the NY Times.
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 The editor of the NYT is CATHOLIC.
The problem that most people have is the shady, unapologetic
manner the church handles these cases. In every single case
I've seen, the church was always more concerned with protecting
these pedophiles than the children.
logolodo 1 year ago
@logolodo , the editor of the New York Times works for the publisher and chairman of the board Arthur Sulzberger. Like i said it's owned by the jews who don't report on the rabbi sex abuses. You have to google them in on the internet. I would like all (convicted) cases to be exposed. How about you ?
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 The blame-shifting maneuver to distract from Catholic clerical sex abuse is the work of the Legion of Christ (Fr. Jonathon Morris, point man) & Opus Dei (e.g. William Donohue).
1. The Vatican & its Administrators claim to represent Christ; Rabbis & public school teachers do not.....
2) The Vatican has existed since 325AD with employees numbering in the millions. Jews have always been a small minority. And public schools have only existed for c.150 years.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@k3304 The Vatican has existed for 1700 years. Has Planned Parenthood? No....and its number of employees & global scope is miniscule compared to the Vatican. US public schools have only existed for 150 years.
Yet we know factually that the Church has been committing AND covering up clerical sex abuse of minors - literally - for centuries.
History: get some.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@k3304 The sheer number of Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse cases is overwhelming. The number of REPORTED cases ONLY covers those which the Church itself deems credible. NOT the vast tide of UNREPORTED cases over decades & centuries. History clearly shows that there were MANY Bishops, Cardinals, & more then a few Popes who were pedophiles.
This has zilch to do with the NYT, 'Jews' or any other smoke screen the Church is trying to hide behind as a blame shift trick!
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 , the "sheer number" is 2% compared to 1% in the whole population. Granted, it was a higher number , but not "overwhelming". There's also been many, many false accusation cases. (one this week in the Philadelphia newspaper) Saying "a few Popes" were paedofiles without proof is called a smear. In 2009 there were 2700 cases of child abuse in public schools compared to only 8 in catholic schools (according to John Jay College of Criminal Justice)
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 The 'official' figures ONLY count those cases deemed 'credible' by the Church; the actual number of incidents is far greater. Also vast numbers were never reported due to fear of the Church!
Read history: MANY popes were complete perverts & hedonists. More then a few played with boys (and girls).
Those who defend the Vatican in this may end up sharing its fate. Ponder that....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 , where is your proof that popes were perverts ? Where is your evidence ? You have none. My evidence comes from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. Your evidence is a verbal smear campaign like NY Times. Too bad you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty. And please, google in the child molesting jewish rabbi's, too.
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 The desperate blame shifting campaign to try to make Jews look worse then Catholic clerics is the work of the Legion of Christ & Opus Dei, with Fr.Jonathan Morris, LC as the point man...
You should open a history book or lookup papal history online. There are many lucid & valid sources cited. Historical truth is not a 'smear campaign'.
I can think of three decent popes of modern times: John XXIII, Paul VI & JPI.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@k3304 Any survey or broad case study based on an inadequate sample yields faulty data. That study used the Church supplied figures of those cases which it had internally deemed 'credible' as its basis. We know, factually, that those figures are far from complete. As the Church ignored, rejected abuse claims and/or threatened thousands of victims with lawsuit of excommunication if they talked to the cops.
And we know the cops were in the Church's pockets for decades....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 , please go on facts and statistics. Do some research. A good place to start is the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. Google it in. Don't rely on fear and smears like you normally do. Plus, try to sound intelligent and stop with your bigotry thing. It it makes you sound stupid.
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 Try actually reading the Ryan & Fearns reports from Ireland. These are based upon REAL cases & statistics. The systemic & intergenerational nature & scope of the abuse is horrifying - and true.
As I happen to be Catholic, I may say as I wish in criticism of the Church Administration. Your use of the term 'bigot' is thence laughable.
Unless of course the Prelates & Administration of the Vatican is the object of your faith.....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 , why are you a "Catholic" ? Why don't you leave the church ? Isnt that hypocritical ? Youre a bunch of bullshit and you know it. Your "agenda" is against the Catholic faith and not against the child molesting jewish rabbi's. Why don't you stick up for ALL children and not just a few ?? Arent jewish childen deserving of your ramblings on You Tube ?
k3304 1 year ago
@k3304 The blame shifting script you are following is the work of Opus Dei & the Legion of Christ, who are serving Satan in this.
The Catholic Faith has nothing to do with the papacy, hierarchy, infallibility, or the church infrastructure. The Faith is one with what the Apostles & pre-Nicea church believed in. It has never changed.
One of the goals of Opus Dei has been to exclude from the Church those who believe in the core of the Catholic Faith.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 u claim to be catholic but u reject the papacy,the magesterium,the hiererchy, u reject a lot of main dogmas of the faith how then are u catholic?u strike me as a "catholic" who is not happy with the church because because it dosent endorse YOUR beliefs. i on the other hand believe all the teachings of the faith that the church hands down to us i dont cherry pick. why? because i love christ and it is his church. i dislike cowardly catholics who desert the church in bad times,
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 Belief in the papacy, hiearchy, infallibility, the 'magisterium' are NOT part of the Catholic Faith which come from the Apostles, faithful to Christ & His Gospel. All that is man-made, & one's salvation does not hinge on such 'beliefs' in ANY way. And it never did.
Those of your ilk tortured & murdered Fr.Jan Hus for asserting the same - and many others. None of those 'dogmas' were the teaching of Jesus.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 yes belief in the dogmas of the faith are exactly what it means to be catholic,get your head out of the ground there were loads of false claims of abuse,the church encouraged abuse in the home?the church caused wwII? put the church on trail for the inquisition? your totally nuts! you have a deep seated hatred of catholics and an obsession with clerical abuse which you use to assert your hate, your not catholic your a protestant in denial, u aint tied to the pew take a walk
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 It would be as easy to try the Vatican for the crimes of its Inquisition(s), as it would be for its moral & spiritual guilt for WWII, resulting in the death of over 60 million in Europe alone! And we have the known cases of Clerical Sex Abuse & the globally orchestrated coverup.
To be a Christian, to be a Catholic, means to try to LIVE the Gospel & believe in Christ. The 'dogmas' you cite are not of the Gospel, nor contained in it.
They stand in opposition to it.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 Jesus Christ did not establish a multi-billion dollar, global, hegemonic theocracy, controlling - or in mutual cooperation - with business & the state, hierarchic & authoritarian as a law unto itself, claiming the sole right to speak for & act in the Name of God; persecuting all who dare question its hegemony, murdering, torturing, stealing & conquering.
Nor did He establish the Ecclesiastical Freemasonry that is Opus Dei.
These things are neither of His Gospel, nor of Christ.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 if it would be so easy to try the rcc for the inquisition then get a lawyer and do so u hate it enought!so so many of your rants are based on your own assumptions that stem from your own prejudice. i was right u are a protestant,wherever it is you go to study maybe if u and your little buddies used that time to get close to god instead of looking for dirt on the rcc maybe u wouldent be filled with such hate.correct me if im wrong but dident a little jumped up german start the war
mjcbm2008 1 year ago
@mjcbm2008 as for torturing stealing and conquering, i think you,ll find that the protestants did most of that especially the british, there persecution of the irish, when they tried to stamp out all the catholics through the penal laws, not to mention the wonderfull king hendry who threatned to behead anyone who did not renounce their faith and swear an oath to him.the irish suffered persecution for hundreds of years from the protestants, as did many other cathoilcs around the world
mjcbm2008 1 year ago