Seriously, why do these US airshows 99% of the time play these ridiculously cheesy songs during displays?? One, they sound awful and cringey and two, the sound of that amazing thrust is enough!
Plus, a Strike Eagle and Raptor convoy? F'n amazing! Great vid :D
This video makes me proud to be an American. Oh, and why the hell did the fire truck blast water INTO the cockpit of that Eagle??? That seems... not smart
I'm glad to finally see conversations about wishing for our countries to be closer, rather than arguments about how one sucks more/etc. than the other. Whenever you're on the internet, XBox, etc. it always seems to be arguments. Particularly on XBox. Someone speaks in a British accent and I hear "Shut up British fag", or in a game with a party of British people, American accents are greeted similarly, except usually something along the lines of "idiot" instead of "fag".
@topwing93 hopefully the new william and kate will help fix that if they can i dont know how your gov works and we need obama out of office and a new guy to get us out of dept and fix the economy and thank you to because without the Uk we wouldnt have any allies because all the other countries hate the US i am going to enlist in the Airforce when i get older which will be a while and i am gonna hopefully fly the F22 raptor but the US is trying to help all the little countries like
@topwing93 we were supposed to build 30 nuclear subs but we only built 3 and spent the money on an aircraft carrier i think we should pull out of afganistan now especially since osama is dead and use that money to get out of dept i live in Kansas which is a state i dont know what they are called there it is just a bunch of farmland here but there is a company in my town that somebody in the UK owns my dad works there and in the US our government doesnt have money to lose
@topwing93 obama cancelled the production but we still have the 187 in service already they wont get rid of those they were going to build a lot of f22s but obama cancelled it in 2008 but he will be out of office soon so maybe production will continue
It's not clever to wash your Raptor, it corrodes crucial parts within days and corresion is reason why 1/3 of USAF raptors can fly. Another 1/3 is being maintained. Rough numbers from wiki, Also, every hour in flight means over 50 service man hours and costs of single US citizen years taxes on maintinance.
@em745aa Moreover, the seat positioning is an variable in this experiment so it means they hold still in same position with a specially calculated angle, but in a dog fight situation, if this ATAGs are designed to be used in real war situations of course,The pilot will not be able to move or look around which is essential in a dog fight...These subject exposed to higher G s and taken to medical care what happens when he is already suffering form decompression sickness in 30,000?
@4V14T10N You freely dismiss USAF staff testimony, and you do nothing but bring up BS arguments and THOROUGLY OUTDATED "FACTS." In short you're hell-bent on rejecting ANY link or proof that you're offered.
@em745aa Well i checked your paper summaries well at least this time the link is relevant i give you that but, these are only summaries and without reading the whole paper its hard to jump to a conclusion and the durations are vague in summary, HOW long is the question because even 7 g is hard to take for more than a couple seconds so these subjects take up to 12 g with advanced g suits ok but there are only six subject which is a very limited data.
@em745aa 5 Listen i really had enough with you i had enough with your NOT UNDERSTANDING a simple paper, i had enough with your unnecessary insults and i had enough with your nerve altough you have no clue about what you are talking about you still claim things it is absurd! Google; PHYSIOLOGICAL CONSEQUENCES: CARDIOPULMONARY, VESTIBULAR, AND SENSORY ASPECTS
and read that paper, and try to UNDERSTAND the effects of 9 g on a pilot. There is no 12,8 turns and there will not be.
@4V14T10N First of all, any person with a basic understanding of anatomy/physiology will readily tell you that acrobatic pilots occasionally touch 12g in competition and usually such will get them disqualified (redbull), however even thinking that such isn't physiologically possible is ridiculous. Just so you don't go through life ignorant, there ARE many pilots who have easily made 12+g turns.
Doesn't matter what the internet says. It's about design, material, weight & human variables.
The G llimit of the raptor is 9. So it cannot make a 12,8 G turn. The structure of the jet cannot handle it. And no human even with G-trousers can endure 12+ g.
That turn can be 8-9 G but because of vector trusting the g recogniton can fail.
The plane captain said (see jjs4you2's comments) that this turn registered 12.8 G's. He obviously misread the data. And jjs4you2 probably made the whole thing up anyway, including the info in his profile.
And all the research and results that's readily available thru a few Google searches on "CE/ATAGS" and "Libelle," with regards to pilots and G tolerance? FICTION!!! All of it!
this was a12.8g turn it must have hurt a bit. I was told by a f-16 jock that the new f-18's E @ F's can pull 12+g pitch up and snap turns I bet the SU-37 could to (if there was one left) I wish 2'nd SU-37 was not made into a SU-35 and they would take it to airshows I would love to see it live I love fighter jets.
@ ESP100pm : I saw speed and angels too. But i'm afraid that can't be him 'cos in Speed and Angels Jay was in the US NAVY flying F-14 and later F-18 while these guys are Thunderbirds from the US Air Force they fly F-16's. Plus Jay is not in the pilot list on the Thunderbirds website.
to be honest with you, you are very right, haha i didn't eve notice It was the USAF, haha plus that's an F-22 and the navy doesn't have them. but to me he looks very similar to jay. hahah
Thanks for that 10g turn "Max" before landing. Looked like airspeed went from 450kts to 180kts in 2 seconds. Serious decelleration! The F22 is the only plane on the planet that can make a turn like that at 100ft! I wonder how many circuits popped in the F15 when the firehose blew about 50 gallons of water into the cockpit???
@hidri86 "lol what a stupid kid" are you fucking serious, you dont even realize that the project sukhoi 47 was a complete failure because the reverse wings decreased stability by too much. now they are making the t-50 PAK FA moron.
@armydude162 you f**king made it out as su33 is not on production and now you saying it is?? make your mind up and dont reply to me again as your first comment on me was rude so you are just a rude kid
the only thing i can understand making a few of is nuclear submarines, and we 18 OHIO CLASS NUCLEAR SUBMARINES IN SERVICE all with 24 nuclear warheads each, do the math... thats 432 ICMBS just from underwater.
well, the f-22, is currently the most advanced fighter (that the public knows about) and will probably stay that way. i only have 1 objection. THAT PILOT LOOKED COCKY!!!!!!!!! i will take after him :)
Oh Moga?? yeah man he's really cocky. i've met him in person at nellis. but hey, he does fly the most advanced jet in the world, so i guess he has some room to bost.
thats cause the F22 used its TVC system.. which the EF doesnt have, any sane european EF pilot would never use that kinda manouvor in a air-to-air combat as it bleeds off alot of speed, so really that turn rate is only any good for airshows
-"But were not talking about the MIG-21, were talking about the F22 and EF2000"
Boy, you are DUMB, aren't you.
You said that a larger/heavier plane would automatically bleed more energy in a turn ("i would imagine the weight and size of the F22 would bleed even more speed").
Using that very SAME "logic," (??) I stated that an EF would bleed more speed in turns than the smaller, lighter MiG-21 (which we all know is bullshit).
"You said that a larger/heavier plane would automatically bleed more energy in a turn"
Thats not the hole case, aircraft design plays a role too but having a airframe thats larger and heaver would contribute to bleeding of more speed in tight turns. It stands to reason
And as for your MIG comment and trying to presuming wha i saying. im not gonan comment on cause your just being silly
-"Thats not the hole case, aircraft design plays a role too"
Okay, pay attention now (I know how insanely difficult that must be for you):
With regards to wings alone, every other parameter else being equal, the higher the leading edge sweep (LES) angle, the lower the lift. Basic physics... like gravity. No amount of fanboi-ism will change that.
Hi-sweep angles causes the upper boundary layer to "detach" sooner with increasing AoA, creating turbulence, drag, and loss of lift.
Lift is the force that "holds" a plane in a tight banking turn. The more lift you can generate without creating turbulent drag, the lower your energy depletion. (Canard-induced vortices and aggressive use of slats can help increase the stall angle somewhat, but the effect is marginal compared to simply having a lower sweep wing.)
And "wing area" (or "wing loading") doesn't mean much either. Take these two wings:
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EXACT same area. Put these wings on two identical planes and the calculated "wing loading" will be the same. YET, wing B's subsonic lift characteristics will be much better than wing A. Wing chord, aspect ratio amd sweep all play a major role in determining lift, not just wing area. THAT's why you don't see airliners with delta wings.
Designing a "proper" wing for a fighter is a compromise between high subsonic lift performance and low supersonic wave drag (the only area where having a higher sweep wing helps).
That said, you'll note that most hi-performance fighters, including the F-15, F-22, YF-23, Fulcrums, Flankers, and even the Rafale (!) all have a LES in the 40-45° range... And all except the Rafale are Mach 2+ jets.
So why does the EF have that excessive 52° sweep? Beats the hell out of me!
Also, in modern fighters, elements other than the wings (LEX's, stabs (unstable platforms only), and a flat underbody) all contribute significantly to overall lift:
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Finally, other factors contributing to the F-22's turn advantage are a better T/W and lower drag. Aside from the external stores (which are extremely draggy), the EF's surface is riddled with sharp creases and protuberances--things the F-22 is virtually devoid of (a side benefit of stealth design).
So if the leading edge sweep wing angle is the Key to performance (in your opinion) that would amke the Tornado and English Electric Lightning able to out-ture the EF, F22 and MIG 21 rite? LOL you see how i rubbised all the facts you just produced!
Im only going by what your stating. the truth of the matter is, you never answered my questions, just insulted me just deflecting away from the fact u cant answer them!
"Thank you for yet again proving to us all what an asinine twit you are."
You still didn't answer my question. And whats with the name calling? Does it make you feel hard
Haha, dont worry, those comments did not go in vain. I understood perfectly. Just understand that we are on youtube, the place where some peoples skulls are so thick that you would need a chizzle to get anything into there head.
"Hi-sweep angles causes the upper boundary layer to "detach" sooner with increasing AoA, creating turbulence, drag, and loss of lift."
So surely if it's that simple then the F-22 with a greater wing leading edge sweep angle than the F-18 must automatically have poorer performance due to the factors you mention ?
China is building a fine "defensive" military with commendable capabilities. Although China is hungry, I sense no threat between China and any other nation.
Consider obviously that F22 can also protect and support China within our common interests. There's so many
AWESOME his MOM was there how sweet is that!!! Great job MAX!!!! Thank You MAX... I LOVE that wild turn, no jet can do that... just no words to say about it!!!
Yeah, they will be still doing demos but, it wont be just one person doing them like Majour Max has done. It will be several pilot's doing demos at airshows and from different F/22 fighter wings around the country. Alaska has one fighter wing group and Japan will be the next new fighter wing group. I can't remember where the third group is.
A couple points. First off, it will be just one pilot conducting the demonstrations. His name is Major David "Zeke" Skalicky (as mentioned below), and he is a prior F-15 pilot, IP, and Raptor IP at the 43rd FS. Your statement about Japan having based Raptors is inaccurate, as the next unit standing up with jets is here in CONUS.
Japan is not going to be getting based Raptors; that statement is inaccurate, as the follow-on wing to get jets behind the 3rd WG in AK is a command here in CONUS.
I agreed they will still have Demos, but they won't be by just one pilot. They will be preformed by several different pilot's. What's the big deal as to having one do all the Demo's. The F-15 Eagle doesn't just have one guy doing all their demos. Maj Paul *MAX* Moga has served his purpose. The F/22 is in full service now, no need to take one pilot to do all the demos.
Max was an operational pilot assigned to the 94th FS. He had to fly the demonstration once every two weeks or so to maintain his demo status in the eyes of the FAA, but still had operational duties at the squadron.
Once again, not an accurate statement. "Nuke" is the only F-15C demonstration pilot, as there is also only one F-15E demonstration crew- "Ritz" and "Goblin." You may be getting this idea- especially about the Raptor, based on different tail-coded jets seen at different airshows. But I assure you, there is only one demo pilot or crew assigned for each platform.
@145slap789, i said mock engagement cos we have nothing to fight against the U.S, so if in the near future we have joint exercises or when im on a deputation course at nellis AFB, in the US next year,for training for newly bought 18 f-16cs by pakistan air force. I'll put up a challenge.
M air force, the usaf and royal air force are the best the world.
I fly the viper in Pakistan Air Force, and i have logged in 700hrs in it.I won the best pilot trophy at PAF Academy. i have participated n numerous exersises in and outside pakistan.
The F-22 maybe a technological marvel, but i can get a radar lock on it, in a mock enagement.
I have sustained 9'gs during the famed max performance turn, with full after burn, at 680knots. plus in the viper all pilots including me enjoy 360 degree all round visibility. i love the seat angle.
fair comment...but we all still got to respect the commitment of all armed forces...even if some of the drill looks abit odd...they are all fighting for the same cause...except maybe the russians
its like a nuke of the plane world cuz you know its coming and then your gonna get annhilated except theres no big mushroom cloud just smoke from an enemy fighter falling to earth
Note: The F-15 pilot had the canopy open when the fire truck let loose with the hosing down. Wonder what that did to the electric. . . And, does that meant that F-22 pilots are smarter than F-15 jocks?
Yeah. Obviously it can't be sustained very long for many reasons, though. However, I'm not sure he pulled that many Gs in this video. I'd be surprised if he did.
I was told later that evening, that last extreme turn from Paul in the F-22 was in the range of 12.8G's+. It wasn't a sustained 12.8, but one of the hardest high G maneuvers he has ever made. Paul is known for being able to pull extremely high sustained G's.
Thats one of the reasons Paul was the first, also, he's a great Ambassador for the F-22 as well as the United States Air Force community!
Aircraft or person? When they were testing the use of the CSU-13 B/P G suit to be used by F-22 pilots, the pilots used in the tests routinely went as high as 14G's plus in the centrifuge (hand picked pilots for their ability to handle high G's is one of the criteria to be an F-22 pilot) just to get a certified 10.5G's from the suit. So, yes.
Most current fighter (Piloted) aircraft can pull instances of high G's, it's just sustaining it is the problem. Pilotless UAV's can pull 20+G's =cont=
The limiting factor will always be the pilot, with the new G suits and straining techniques we are learning about each day will only get us so far.They are testing IV assistance for high G sustainability, but its in its early stages of testing.
We could build airframes with pilots in them that could pull a sustained 20G's, but the expense would be exorbitant and also, why? when pilots can only pull a sustained 12G's (some) but on average 10G's (most)
Thank you for your response. Anyway, sorry for being picky, but I am just interested how long that can be, for how long can a pilot's body (primarily brain) sustain these high G's?
Anyway, that was just amazing turn at the beginning of the video.
great video as usual. i have one question, was that a mistake when they shot the water into the F-15? seems like an expensive mistake (25 to 30 million dollar jet).
Hey Patsfan, you live in Mass? We (used to) launch our F15s out of Otis on the Cape in all kinds of weather. Rain, snow, whatever. The electronics are sealed. Short of dunking the cockpit into a lake, a little water doesn't hurt at all.
no...the ceremony was because that was the last demonstration from the first ever f-22 raptor demo team. teams are assigned for 2 years each so a new team will st
1:07 proof that the raptor isn't affected by rain.
ESC8781 1 month ago
I would love to fly for the air force, to feel that power. But I could never go through their boot camps.
galaxypa 4 months ago
0:19 WTF?
mojamalanemamane1 5 months ago
@GUITARPLAYAx93x Because that was the last show being flown with that F-15 as well. It went straight to the boneyard.
coolyo366 5 months ago
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The US Air Force has stopped flying all Lockheed Martin F-22s for an indefinite period, shashashasha
ricjan33 6 months ago
cant be good for those on board computers..
hawkplaya94 6 months ago
Seriously, why do these US airshows 99% of the time play these ridiculously cheesy songs during displays?? One, they sound awful and cringey and two, the sound of that amazing thrust is enough!
Plus, a Strike Eagle and Raptor convoy? F'n amazing! Great vid :D
welshlad1982 6 months ago
This video makes me proud to be an American. Oh, and why the hell did the fire truck blast water INTO the cockpit of that Eagle??? That seems... not smart
GUITARPLAYAx93x 8 months ago
@topwing93 Thank god someone with common sense.
GUITARPLAYAx93x 8 months ago
@topwing93
I'm glad to finally see conversations about wishing for our countries to be closer, rather than arguments about how one sucks more/etc. than the other. Whenever you're on the internet, XBox, etc. it always seems to be arguments. Particularly on XBox. Someone speaks in a British accent and I hear "Shut up British fag", or in a game with a party of British people, American accents are greeted similarly, except usually something along the lines of "idiot" instead of "fag".
Assasin0021 8 months ago
@topwing93 ya there is no reason to be over there we need to let the other superpowers like china and russia do something
SuperF22raptor1 8 months ago
@topwing93 hopefully the new william and kate will help fix that if they can i dont know how your gov works and we need obama out of office and a new guy to get us out of dept and fix the economy and thank you to because without the Uk we wouldnt have any allies because all the other countries hate the US i am going to enlist in the Airforce when i get older which will be a while and i am gonna hopefully fly the F22 raptor but the US is trying to help all the little countries like
SuperF22raptor1 8 months ago
@SuperF22raptor1 Iraq Afganistan and now Libya but we cant even help our own country
SuperF22raptor1 8 months ago
@topwing93 we were supposed to build 30 nuclear subs but we only built 3 and spent the money on an aircraft carrier i think we should pull out of afganistan now especially since osama is dead and use that money to get out of dept i live in Kansas which is a state i dont know what they are called there it is just a bunch of farmland here but there is a company in my town that somebody in the UK owns my dad works there and in the US our government doesnt have money to lose
SuperF22raptor1 8 months ago
@topwing93 obama cancelled the production but we still have the 187 in service already they wont get rid of those they were going to build a lot of f22s but obama cancelled it in 2008 but he will be out of office soon so maybe production will continue
SuperF22raptor1 8 months ago
0:20 i would like to see another fighter jet beat that that was sick and obama is getting rid of it
SuperF22raptor1 9 months ago
kobe all the way...
NEXXTIX 9 months ago
@thomaspruzina I also read it's bad for for it's skin for some reason
Direwolf56 11 months ago
@Direwolf56 Yeah-apparently some radar absorbing polymer that erodes away with water?
beroth1 11 months ago
@beroth1 if that was true then they wouldnt be deliberately pouring water onto it
armydude162 10 months ago
It's not clever to wash your Raptor, it corrodes crucial parts within days and corresion is reason why 1/3 of USAF raptors can fly. Another 1/3 is being maintained. Rough numbers from wiki, Also, every hour in flight means over 50 service man hours and costs of single US citizen years taxes on maintinance.
thomaspruzina 1 year ago
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zvastianx 1 year ago
Taiwan Need You !!! F22~~
Cavin520 1 year ago
that guy broke my raptor at holloman!
raptorchief05088 1 year ago
@raptorchief05088 broke it? how?
hawkplaya94 1 year ago
@em745aa Moreover, the seat positioning is an variable in this experiment so it means they hold still in same position with a specially calculated angle, but in a dog fight situation, if this ATAGs are designed to be used in real war situations of course,The pilot will not be able to move or look around which is essential in a dog fight...These subject exposed to higher G s and taken to medical care what happens when he is already suffering form decompression sickness in 30,000?
4V14T10N 1 year ago
@4V14T10N You freely dismiss USAF staff testimony, and you do nothing but bring up BS arguments and THOROUGLY OUTDATED "FACTS." In short you're hell-bent on rejecting ANY link or proof that you're offered.
Believe whatever the fuck you want.
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@em745aa Well i checked your paper summaries well at least this time the link is relevant i give you that but, these are only summaries and without reading the whole paper its hard to jump to a conclusion and the durations are vague in summary, HOW long is the question because even 7 g is hard to take for more than a couple seconds so these subjects take up to 12 g with advanced g suits ok but there are only six subject which is a very limited data.
4V14T10N 1 year ago
@em745aa Everyone can look to this link; globalsecurity . org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-specs . htm
Or to the official F-22 raptor site the G limit is 9.(period)
But of course anyoe can choose to belive in "em745aa" instead of global security or official F-22 site! :)))
4V14T10N 1 year ago
@em745aa 5 Listen i really had enough with you i had enough with your NOT UNDERSTANDING a simple paper, i had enough with your unnecessary insults and i had enough with your nerve altough you have no clue about what you are talking about you still claim things it is absurd! Google; PHYSIOLOGICAL CONSEQUENCES: CARDIOPULMONARY, VESTIBULAR, AND SENSORY ASPECTS
and read that paper, and try to UNDERSTAND the effects of 9 g on a pilot. There is no 12,8 turns and there will not be.
4V14T10N 1 year ago
@4V14T10N
ncbi.nlm.nih.g ov/pubmed/11346005
medind.nic.in/iab/t01/i1/i1/iabt01i1p30o.pdf
There... Can you _NOW_ STFU? Pretty please?
em745aa 1 year ago
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4V14T10N 1 year ago
@4V14T10N First of all, any person with a basic understanding of anatomy/physiology will readily tell you that acrobatic pilots occasionally touch 12g in competition and usually such will get them disqualified (redbull), however even thinking that such isn't physiologically possible is ridiculous. Just so you don't go through life ignorant, there ARE many pilots who have easily made 12+g turns.
Doesn't matter what the internet says. It's about design, material, weight & human variables.
likeawhispr 1 year ago 4
To all who claims that was a 12,8 G turn:
As you can see in the link of globalsecurity;
globalsecurity . org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-specs . htm
The G llimit of the raptor is 9. So it cannot make a 12,8 G turn. The structure of the jet cannot handle it. And no human even with G-trousers can endure 12+ g.
That turn can be 8-9 G but because of vector trusting the g recogniton can fail.
Take care.
4V14T10N 1 year ago
@4V14T10N It figures you'd post your moronic bullshit here. (My apologies to everyone, for I'm the one who pointed this idiot over here).
4V14T10N is correct, though. Max Moga said on ASB's board that he often saw over 10 G,s during his demos. He was obviously lying.
em745aa 1 year ago
The plane captain said (see jjs4you2's comments) that this turn registered 12.8 G's. He obviously misread the data. And jjs4you2 probably made the whole thing up anyway, including the info in his profile.
And all the research and results that's readily available thru a few Google searches on "CE/ATAGS" and "Libelle," with regards to pilots and G tolerance? FICTION!!! All of it!
em745aa 1 year ago
It was so good
Scranfield96 1 year ago
this aircraft gives me goose bumps...its really does..simple fantastic
boosted14 2 years ago 2
what's the name of the song you hear on the background around 2:10
tijuana3611 2 years ago
@ tijuana3611 the song is "Chariots of fire" by Vangelis
kirkjamestkirk 2 years ago
Wow that guy is a Major? he looks like kid that mows my lawn.
unclesara 2 years ago
that turn man, my head just cant compute that being possible, wow!
zoso11 2 years ago 2
this was a12.8g turn it must have hurt a bit. I was told by a f-16 jock that the new f-18's E @ F's can pull 12+g pitch up and snap turns I bet the SU-37 could to (if there was one left) I wish 2'nd SU-37 was not made into a SU-35 and they would take it to airshows I would love to see it live I love fighter jets.
EddietheHead7 2 years ago
hey you guys pause at 5:41 is the guy b4 the girl named "jay" i saw him in a movie called Speed And Angels.
If thats him i sure wish him the best. (as well as all other pilots)
ESP100pm 2 years ago
@ ESP100pm : I saw speed and angels too. But i'm afraid that can't be him 'cos in Speed and Angels Jay was in the US NAVY flying F-14 and later F-18 while these guys are Thunderbirds from the US Air Force they fly F-16's. Plus Jay is not in the pilot list on the Thunderbirds website.
kirkjamestkirk 2 years ago
to be honest with you, you are very right, haha i didn't eve notice It was the USAF, haha plus that's an F-22 and the navy doesn't have them. but to me he looks very similar to jay. hahah
ESP100pm 2 years ago
wow what a great turn at the beginning
PETROSTAN 2 years ago
Yeah man, I was at the VERY FIRST airshow that the F-22 showed up at and ya, Moga was the pilot... The airshow was in Dayton Ohio by the way...
pizzaking85 2 years ago
Freedoms Thunder
bassplaya1549 2 years ago
Doesnt this pilot host Great Planes to the Military Channel?
Blingman1 2 years ago
Yes he is
reggiemac78 2 years ago
i think that is him
dmetrs 2 years ago
Thanks for that 10g turn "Max" before landing. Looked like airspeed went from 450kts to 180kts in 2 seconds. Serious decelleration! The F22 is the only plane on the planet that can make a turn like that at 100ft! I wonder how many circuits popped in the F15 when the firehose blew about 50 gallons of water into the cockpit???
Tampaslice 2 years ago 11
@Tampaslice about the trun u r rong look at the su33 or search su33 cobra trun
hidri86 1 year ago
@hidri86 im sorry is the su-33 in production? and no it cant do that so stfu
armydude162 10 months ago
@armydude162 no is not in production because they have build enough of su33 and now they are building su47...lol what a stupid kid
hidri86 10 months ago
@hidri86 "lol what a stupid kid" are you fucking serious, you dont even realize that the project sukhoi 47 was a complete failure because the reverse wings decreased stability by too much. now they are making the t-50 PAK FA moron.
armydude162 10 months ago
@hidri86 also there were only 24 made, you ruskies make like 10 planes and call it full blown mass production hahahaha
armydude162 10 months ago
@armydude162 you f**king made it out as su33 is not on production and now you saying it is?? make your mind up and dont reply to me again as your first comment on me was rude so you are just a rude kid
hidri86 10 months ago
the only thing i can understand making a few of is nuclear submarines, and we 18 OHIO CLASS NUCLEAR SUBMARINES IN SERVICE all with 24 nuclear warheads each, do the math... thats 432 ICMBS just from underwater.
armydude162 10 months ago
@Tampaslice lets see it do it at super sonic speed yes it can do it while flying slow
ragasdapper 4 months ago
@Tampaslice I wondered that too! Raptor pilot was smart enough to keep his canopy closed.
Judyiack 1 month ago
ha he does look cocky.but i dont blame him, if i was flyin the most bad ass aircraft on the planet i would b 2 lol
f15junkie1 2 years ago 2
That's the dude from the Military Ch.!
WildBillHabiki 2 years ago
lol, when i was at that air show, i didn't even realize it was moga lol!!!
futuref22pilot 2 years ago
well, the f-22, is currently the most advanced fighter (that the public knows about) and will probably stay that way. i only have 1 objection. THAT PILOT LOOKED COCKY!!!!!!!!! i will take after him :)
96Vyper 2 years ago
Oh Moga?? yeah man he's really cocky. i've met him in person at nellis. but hey, he does fly the most advanced jet in the world, so i guess he has some room to bost.
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dj8work 2 years ago
HOLY COW! That F-22 is maneuverable at 0:17-0:25 Never seen a Eurofighter do that.
cablebeach1 2 years ago
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thats cause the F22 used its TVC system.. which the EF doesnt have, any sane european EF pilot would never use that kinda manouvor in a air-to-air combat as it bleeds off alot of speed, so really that turn rate is only any good for airshows
dj8work 2 years ago
-"any sane european EF pilot would never use that kinda manouvor in a air-to-air combat"
Oh sure, what "sane" fighter pilot WOULDN'T want to have that kind of turn rate available to him if he had a fighter hot on his 6.
Fact is, if an EF gets an F-22 on its tail, it is NOT going to be able to shake it off.
-"as it bleeds off alot of speed"
Well yes, on a hi-sweep delta like the EF, I would imagine that air speed would indeed bleed off at a faster rate.
em745aa 2 years ago
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"Well yes, on a hi-sweep delta like the EF, I would imagine that air speed would indeed bleed off at a faster rate. "
i would imagine the weight and size of the F22 would bleed even more speed
dj8work 2 years ago
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em745aa 2 years ago
-"i would imagine the weight and size of the F22 would bleed even more speed"
A MiG-21 is about half the weight of an EF. So I would imagine the EF would bleed more airspeed in tight turns.
em745aa 2 years ago
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"A MiG-21 is about half the weight of an EF. So I would imagine the EF would bleed more airspeed in tight turns. "
But were not talking about the MIG-21, were talking about the F22 and EF2000
dj8work 2 years ago
-"But were not talking about the MIG-21, were talking about the F22 and EF2000"
Boy, you are DUMB, aren't you.
You said that a larger/heavier plane would automatically bleed more energy in a turn ("i would imagine the weight and size of the F22 would bleed even more speed").
Using that very SAME "logic," (??) I stated that an EF would bleed more speed in turns than the smaller, lighter MiG-21 (which we all know is bullshit).
em745aa 2 years ago
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"You said that a larger/heavier plane would automatically bleed more energy in a turn"
Thats not the hole case, aircraft design plays a role too but having a airframe thats larger and heaver would contribute to bleeding of more speed in tight turns. It stands to reason
And as for your MIG comment and trying to presuming wha i saying. im not gonan comment on cause your just being silly
dj8work 2 years ago
-"Thats not the hole case, aircraft design plays a role too"
Okay, pay attention now (I know how insanely difficult that must be for you):
With regards to wings alone, every other parameter else being equal, the higher the leading edge sweep (LES) angle, the lower the lift. Basic physics... like gravity. No amount of fanboi-ism will change that.
Hi-sweep angles causes the upper boundary layer to "detach" sooner with increasing AoA, creating turbulence, drag, and loss of lift.
em745aa 2 years ago
Lift is the force that "holds" a plane in a tight banking turn. The more lift you can generate without creating turbulent drag, the lower your energy depletion. (Canard-induced vortices and aggressive use of slats can help increase the stall angle somewhat, but the effect is marginal compared to simply having a lower sweep wing.)
MiG-21's LES = 57°
EF's LES = 52° (5° less than the MiG)
F-22's LES = 42° (10° less than the EF)
em745aa 2 years ago
And "wing area" (or "wing loading") doesn't mean much either. Take these two wings:
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EXACT same area. Put these wings on two identical planes and the calculated "wing loading" will be the same. YET, wing B's subsonic lift characteristics will be much better than wing A. Wing chord, aspect ratio amd sweep all play a major role in determining lift, not just wing area. THAT's why you don't see airliners with delta wings.
em745aa 2 years ago
Designing a "proper" wing for a fighter is a compromise between high subsonic lift performance and low supersonic wave drag (the only area where having a higher sweep wing helps).
That said, you'll note that most hi-performance fighters, including the F-15, F-22, YF-23, Fulcrums, Flankers, and even the Rafale (!) all have a LES in the 40-45° range... And all except the Rafale are Mach 2+ jets.
So why does the EF have that excessive 52° sweep? Beats the hell out of me!
em745aa 2 years ago
Also, in modern fighters, elements other than the wings (LEX's, stabs (unstable platforms only), and a flat underbody) all contribute significantly to overall lift:
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Finally, other factors contributing to the F-22's turn advantage are a better T/W and lower drag. Aside from the external stores (which are extremely draggy), the EF's surface is riddled with sharp creases and protuberances--things the F-22 is virtually devoid of (a side benefit of stealth design).
em745aa 2 years ago
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"THAT's why you don't see airliners with delta wings."
And how many airliners do you see cruising around at supersonic speeds today ? ;)
MrPikon 2 years ago
After they retired Concorde, none.....
CAPTJACKAUBREY69 2 years ago
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So if the leading edge sweep wing angle is the Key to performance (in your opinion) that would amke the Tornado and English Electric Lightning able to out-ture the EF, F22 and MIG 21 rite? LOL you see how i rubbised all the facts you just produced!
And how come a DH100 can match an F22 turn rate?
watch?v=J_G3fX7YK9M (5:00-5:35) - f22
watch?v=v6-1PUZ73ZQ @2:13-2:33 -DH100
dj8work 2 years ago
-"So if the leading edge sweep wing angle is the Key to performance (in your opinion)..."
I knew it, I knew it, I knew it! I knew you'd fuck it up!
What part of "every other parameter being equal" don't you get?
-"And how come a DH100 can match an F22 turn rate?"
Thank you for yet again proving to us all what an asinine twit you are.
PLONK! I'm done humoring you.
em745aa 2 years ago
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Im only going by what your stating. the truth of the matter is, you never answered my questions, just insulted me just deflecting away from the fact u cant answer them!
"Thank you for yet again proving to us all what an asinine twit you are."
You still didn't answer my question. And whats with the name calling? Does it make you feel hard
dj8work 2 years ago
Haha, dont worry, those comments did not go in vain. I understood perfectly. Just understand that we are on youtube, the place where some peoples skulls are so thick that you would need a chizzle to get anything into there head.
Vociferous66 2 years ago
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"MiG-21's LES = 57°
EF's LES = 52° (5° less than the MiG)
F-22's LES = 42° (10° less than the EF)"
F-18's LES = 20°
I guess we have ourselves a winner ! ...
(rollseyes)
MrPikon 2 years ago
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"Hi-sweep angles causes the upper boundary layer to "detach" sooner with increasing AoA, creating turbulence, drag, and loss of lift."
So surely if it's that simple then the F-22 with a greater wing leading edge sweep angle than the F-18 must automatically have poorer performance due to the factors you mention ?
(rollseyes)
MrPikon 2 years ago
For China is a huge threat。
Hope that China's fourth generation aircraft in service as soon as possible
sunman1984 2 years ago
doubtfull the raptor has been in development for over 10 years.
exile907 2 years ago
Please reconsider this.
China is building a fine "defensive" military with commendable capabilities. Although China is hungry, I sense no threat between China and any other nation.
Consider obviously that F22 can also protect and support China within our common interests. There's so many
sparkysports 2 years ago
that pilot knows he's the shit flyin that plane
wussup331 2 years ago
i think this should be the plane the Thunderbird pilots should use when they transition into new planes.
BRIANROX1 2 years ago
lol i agree, but at 220 million a copy...your looking at a 1.2 billion dollar demo team lol...but it would BE FREAKING AWESOME!!!
exile907 2 years ago
yeahit would be, then we can give the blues the F-35
BRIANROX1 2 years ago
beautifiul aircraft.
The mustang
betochon 2 years ago
AWESOME!!!! what a turn and burn!!!!
cherylz1 2 years ago 3
good luck guys
an1792 2 years ago
Does anyone know the name of the song at the beginning? I love that song
NX73R 3 years ago
Dwayne O'Brien - We Remember
8081rt 3 years ago
Cheers =)
NX73R 3 years ago
nice vid!
HolyAngemon007 3 years ago
I still cannot believe that turn!
gangster3591 3 years ago 10
U're right, I've never seen another A/C doing such a sharp turn !!! What a machine !!!
dream555be 3 years ago 2
@gangster3591 no lie about the F-15, I can't belive that the fire men turned on the hoses as he passed and aimed at the cockpit!
ranzelrob 1 year ago
why did they get the plane wet
navycop102 3 years ago
AWESOME his MOM was there how sweet is that!!! Great job MAX!!!! Thank You MAX... I LOVE that wild turn, no jet can do that... just no words to say about it!!!
cherylz1 3 years ago
we where right by you when that happened because we were by the redd bull plane but i dont know you
20Justin1 3 years ago
Both chewing gum and yawning actually help "pop" your ears to equalize air pressure.
Raptor03042 3 years ago
that pilot is young!
trechan 3 years ago
love how hes chewing gum in the plane =P
cr9527 3 years ago
well, it does help you know to chew gum in a plane
trechan 3 years ago
He's probably chewing gum to help keep his ears from popping is my guess.
145Slap789 3 years ago
great vid
scrapcrapMandM 3 years ago
The Demos have stopped, yet certain pilots from certain F/22 fighter wings will attend air shows as a guest to fly, not as a demo.
The Raptor has proved it's glory... No more showing off, but will stiil show off at air shows around the world.
145Slap789 3 years ago
No the F-22 will still be doing demos. I haven't heard who's Moga's replacement.....
i believe the ACC website should have the 09 show schedule on it
ltreibel 3 years ago
Yeah, they will be still doing demos but, it wont be just one person doing them like Majour Max has done. It will be several pilot's doing demos at airshows and from different F/22 fighter wings around the country. Alaska has one fighter wing group and Japan will be the next new fighter wing group. I can't remember where the third group is.
145Slap789 3 years ago
A couple points. First off, it will be just one pilot conducting the demonstrations. His name is Major David "Zeke" Skalicky (as mentioned below), and he is a prior F-15 pilot, IP, and Raptor IP at the 43rd FS. Your statement about Japan having based Raptors is inaccurate, as the next unit standing up with jets is here in CONUS.
SEWolff22 3 years ago
Japan is not going to be getting based Raptors; that statement is inaccurate, as the follow-on wing to get jets behind the 3rd WG in AK is a command here in CONUS.
SEWolff22 3 years ago
I agreed they will still have Demos, but they won't be by just one pilot. They will be preformed by several different pilot's. What's the big deal as to having one do all the Demo's. The F-15 Eagle doesn't just have one guy doing all their demos. Maj Paul *MAX* Moga has served his purpose. The F/22 is in full service now, no need to take one pilot to do all the demos.
145Slap789 3 years ago
Plus, how can one pilot serve his country, when doing nothing but demos?
145Slap789 3 years ago
Max was an operational pilot assigned to the 94th FS. He had to fly the demonstration once every two weeks or so to maintain his demo status in the eyes of the FAA, but still had operational duties at the squadron.
SEWolff22 3 years ago
Remember that F-22s don't have a mission right now, same with the F15c. And it's not like doing demos cuts their training time
LiveAfterDeath69 2 years ago
Once again, not an accurate statement. "Nuke" is the only F-15C demonstration pilot, as there is also only one F-15E demonstration crew- "Ritz" and "Goblin." You may be getting this idea- especially about the Raptor, based on different tail-coded jets seen at different airshows. But I assure you, there is only one demo pilot or crew assigned for each platform.
SEWolff22 3 years ago
its will be Maj. David 'Zeke' Skalicky
Skyes9 3 years ago
If I'm correct (and odds are I'm not) I take it that Major Moga isn't the F-22 demo pilot anymore. Who is replacing him?
UNSClead1 3 years ago
Yes he is not the demo pilot anymore, not sure who is replacing him.
8081rt 3 years ago
@145slap789, i said mock engagement cos we have nothing to fight against the U.S, so if in the near future we have joint exercises or when im on a deputation course at nellis AFB, in the US next year,for training for newly bought 18 f-16cs by pakistan air force. I'll put up a challenge.
M air force, the usaf and royal air force are the best the world.
q7guy 3 years ago
My favorite maneuvers are
The Cuban Eight
Vertical Loop
Inverted Loop
Clover Leaf
Aileron Rolls
Four Point Roll
SLow-Pass
wingover.
But nothing beats going vertical after launch.
q7guy 3 years ago
I fly the viper in Pakistan Air Force, and i have logged in 700hrs in it.I won the best pilot trophy at PAF Academy. i have participated n numerous exersises in and outside pakistan.
The F-22 maybe a technological marvel, but i can get a radar lock on it, in a mock enagement.
I have sustained 9'gs during the famed max performance turn, with full after burn, at 680knots. plus in the viper all pilots including me enjoy 360 degree all round visibility. i love the seat angle.
q7guy 3 years ago
q7guy, I can get a radar lock in a mock engagement on the F-22?
Hopefully, one day you wont have a real engagement to try and lock on to it... Cos you prolly get get bent. Mock engagement lol!
145Slap789 3 years ago 3
Sorry to see Max move onm but I'm sure he's glad to be getting back to real flying, firing weapons, etc.
A great guy with an amazing sense of hs own airplane. He doesn't so much fly it as WEAR it.
atmosphotography 3 years ago
I just can't stop watching this. That tight turn was fricking awesome. Makes you wonder what they can't show us.
145Slap789 3 years ago 5
WOW...what...a...WILD...turn...AWESOME!!!!!!
cherylz1 3 years ago 8
LOL dam i never know that F 22 can do a turn on a time haha.
George21T 3 years ago
his salutes are like robotics...i'm from the UK so meh...what do i know
kaiserkid01 3 years ago
Our drill is just as good as theirs. :P
cartman204 3 years ago
fair comment...but we all still got to respect the commitment of all armed forces...even if some of the drill looks abit odd...they are all fighting for the same cause...except maybe the russians
kaiserkid01 3 years ago 2
Bet the SU-47 can't do that tight of a turn. Eerrr.. why am I wasting my time to even post that? Anyway...
The Raptor, nothing comes close to it, nothing
145Slap789 3 years ago 17
i agree... so far the chinese J-XX isn't in production yet but it looks promising
Reubenparkin 3 years ago
that was real high-G tourn !!
JackPLflashpoint 3 years ago
Mmmmmm...sexy wet Raptor!
fighter052594 3 years ago
At 0:20 with his running lights on at night, no wonder so many people mistake it as UFO!
145Slap789 3 years ago
i love all the shows the major is in! hes the best F-22 pilot or once of the best!
CA1CWilliams 3 years ago
Maj.Paul "Max" Moga one helluva pilot!
145Slap789 3 years ago 3
The Mustang and Eagle have a patriotic, outstanding presence, but the raptor have more like a "i´m gonna waste you" aspect, just an opinion.
LIFD2398 3 years ago
You're right... The F-22 seems to have a "we're not gonna meet again" look on its face ^_^.
Critter145 3 years ago
its like a nuke of the plane world cuz you know its coming and then your gonna get annhilated except theres no big mushroom cloud just smoke from an enemy fighter falling to earth
BRIANROX1 2 years ago
Nice video of the ceremony
carbon4me 3 years ago
i no the f-15 pilot he rocks hes a family friend
yournameheresch 3 years ago
Sorry for the dumb question i didn't read the description!
supasven66 3 years ago
Was this the pilots last flight cus im not certain
supasven66 3 years ago
Note: The F-15 pilot had the canopy open when the fire truck let loose with the hosing down. Wonder what that did to the electric. . . And, does that meant that F-22 pilots are smarter than F-15 jocks?
rxkate 3 years ago
having the canopy open isnt a problem, the flight controls are weather proof.
"does that meant that F-22 pilots are smarter than F-15 jocks?"
No stupid, most F-22 pilots were probably F-15 pilots before. what a stupid thing to ask
LiveAfterDeath69 3 years ago
nice, i luv it in the beggining when he came in low
AeroSpaceBoy130 3 years ago
Still, a killer J-turn just the same.
Raptor03042 3 years ago
Yeah. Obviously it can't be sustained very long for many reasons, though. However, I'm not sure he pulled that many Gs in this video. I'd be surprised if he did.
Raptor03042 3 years ago
The software said 12.8G's. Ask the plane captain the next time you see him ;-)
jjs4you2 3 years ago
"The software said 12.8G's." Fair enough. I guess I can see it at that snap near the end of his turn.
Raptor03042 3 years ago 3
Whoa, was that an AIM-9 in the side bay? I guess they do fly it loaded.
EarlMcCrackin 3 years ago
I'm a little more stunned by that P-51 which seems to have a jet engine. :P
TheLoofahBoy 3 years ago
I was told later that evening, that last extreme turn from Paul in the F-22 was in the range of 12.8G's+. It wasn't a sustained 12.8, but one of the hardest high G maneuvers he has ever made. Paul is known for being able to pull extremely high sustained G's.
Thats one of the reasons Paul was the first, also, he's a great Ambassador for the F-22 as well as the United States Air Force community!
Great Job with the video 8081rt, as usual.
jjs4you2 3 years ago
Thanks man!
8081rt 3 years ago
Is it really possible to achieve 12.8G's? Even for a very short time?
nikola281 3 years ago
Aircraft or person? When they were testing the use of the CSU-13 B/P G suit to be used by F-22 pilots, the pilots used in the tests routinely went as high as 14G's plus in the centrifuge (hand picked pilots for their ability to handle high G's is one of the criteria to be an F-22 pilot) just to get a certified 10.5G's from the suit. So, yes.
Most current fighter (Piloted) aircraft can pull instances of high G's, it's just sustaining it is the problem. Pilotless UAV's can pull 20+G's =cont=
jjs4you2 3 years ago
The limiting factor will always be the pilot, with the new G suits and straining techniques we are learning about each day will only get us so far.They are testing IV assistance for high G sustainability, but its in its early stages of testing.
We could build airframes with pilots in them that could pull a sustained 20G's, but the expense would be exorbitant and also, why? when pilots can only pull a sustained 12G's (some) but on average 10G's (most)
jjs4you2 3 years ago
You Tube, how about an extra 500 words in the future. 1000 would be just about right! sheeeeesha
jjs4you2 3 years ago
Thank you for your response. Anyway, sorry for being picky, but I am just interested how long that can be, for how long can a pilot's body (primarily brain) sustain these high G's?
Anyway, that was just amazing turn at the beginning of the video.
nikola281 3 years ago
great video as usual. i have one question, was that a mistake when they shot the water into the F-15? seems like an expensive mistake (25 to 30 million dollar jet).
patsfan71771 3 years ago
No mistake, nothing really wrong with that.
8081rt 3 years ago
Hey Patsfan, you live in Mass? We (used to) launch our F15s out of Otis on the Cape in all kinds of weather. Rain, snow, whatever. The electronics are sealed. Short of dunking the cockpit into a lake, a little water doesn't hurt at all.
spins321 3 years ago
Max is a heck of a pilot, I saw the F-22 Demo at EAA AirVenture 2008. What an amazing sight!
crashintome1019 3 years ago
i bet he heard top gun music in his head when he landed...did they make this ceremony for him because his retiring?
Also wouldnt the f-15's electronics break from the water?
tomcatpilot13 3 years ago
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They won't break.
8081rt 3 years ago
no...the ceremony was because that was the last demonstration from the first ever f-22 raptor demo team. teams are assigned for 2 years each so a new team will st