Dmitri Hvorostovsky - Macbeth; Pietà, rispetto, amore (Japan 2005) HD

[TommyHaegin]

He sings as usual which is usually beyond his physical ability. Hear this, and now go listen to Renato Bruson in the clip from 1977, or even the one from 1984 and DH is stripped naked.

[tamino20002000]

At all of the opera houses in which I have worked, from all of the talented and succesful colleagues with whom I have worked, never have I heard these sorts of silly ramblings. What does that say about all of you? Leave the casting and singing to the professionals. Just listen to what you like and stop trying to pretend you know anything.

[trevorm74]

i'm surprised the orchestra can even see their music. but this is awesome. he is all that is man

[marcellny]

good grief... another light mezzo singing macbetto. ceprano is right.

[tamino20002000]

If I can hear a voice over the Orchestra without amplification, and the singer has warmth in their tone(ie not forcing a brightness to make their voice cut), and they can sing with a nice sense of line, then they have every right to be singing the rep. I have heard him live singing Verdi and DM has met all of these requirements. All of this silly bickering about whether or not he is a "Verdi baritone" is ridiculous. What is that anyway? Sounds like the ramblings of frustrate singers.

[tmtstudio1983]

@tamino20002000 I agree, I heard him live before but only in recital not with orchestration. To me his voice was big enough to hear very clearly that resonate the whole house. And his legato was SO richly beautiful that you feel like it would keep forever going and you can just listen to that single holding note for the entire concert.

[saiserieht]

I don't think that he is a Verdi baritone either. But he has sung a lot of Verdi without ruining his voice, so ... Also, he is very musical and has a pretty voice. Not the worst you can get.

[Alexander19502410]

РОССИЯ — СТРАНА ГЕНИЕВ !!!

Браво !!!

[countceprano]

I meant only a couple of hours until reviews are out in the papers there. Figured someone of your intellect could figure that out. And my beliefs have been shaken many times. But not my belief that DH is not a Verdi baritone. I've heard too many of them live to mistake him for one. Cappuccilli, MacNeil, L. Quilico, Nucci, Mannaguerra, Milnes, Carlos Alvarez, Caroli, Zancanaro, etc. Educate your ears and you might hear that DH has a lovely voice, but that doesn't mean it's a Verdi voice.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano So relieved to bring it to a more civilized level. Back in the begining, you said you couldn't hear him, I said that I heard him fine. His colour is very interesting, very dark, to me sounds well in Verdi. Especially in this concert you can't argue about the volume. I say the volume is fine. I'm not the only person who says so. I've read bloggers (who are not paid) surprised by DH's voice's volume in contrast to what they had heard. Milnes is not my fav, I dunno why.. am I idiot?

[1947Rollo]

@countceprano Credo sia interessante la discussione tra@countceprano@frufruj@salom­es7veils,ma ahimè non capisco l'inglese.Sono stati citati dei baritoni,non so se in positivo o negativo,vorrei proporre per un attimo di mettere da parte nomi celebri come Bruson-Cappuccilli-Nucci-Alvar­ez-McNeill--Zancanaro-Milnes-B­astianini-Merril-Tibbet-London ecc.,e proporre l'ascolto,nella stessa aria,del bar. veneziano Antonio Salvadori,certo meno famoso,non appartenendo allo star system,e sentire un parere.

[countceprano]

"you don't seem to have particularly won this one..."

Coming from you, imagine the impact that has on me!

Just a couple of hours for reviews for you... how nice.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano I see we've resorted to insulting each other. Fine. I don't know what you mean by "a couple of hours of reviews", but I assume that a person who dares to call DH a Verdi baritone cannot win your respect. I hope you keep this attitude throughout your life, so that nothing and no one can shake your stone-firm beliefs. Where would Humanity be if not for people like you? We should burn people with other opinions! No matter how they gained them! Their ears are not reliable! Just ours!!!

[countceprano]

Yep. Almost time for reviews to come out. You better run.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano Considering that it's four in the morning here, I'm not sober, and I'm writing in a foreign language, you don't seem to have particularly won this one... But I'm happy for your ego. It apparently needed some stimulus.

[countceprano]

No, you're not like me at all. At leas that we agree on.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano Yes. You feel superior based on reasons unknown to me :-)

[frufruJ]

@frufruJ haha you idiot

[Salomes7Veils]

@frufruJ Renato Bruson... He's good! ;)

[countceprano]

LOL! Like I said.. go read some more reviews so you'll know what to listen for. Maybe they'll tell you the difference between a baritone and tenor passagio... but I've never seen that in one. Because they're written by people like you... those who think they know.

So long, idiot.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano People like me, who don't agree with you, i.e.idiots. The person who doesn't see beauty in art, sees just perfect technique/high notes/volume - that is an idiot for me. Are you one? I dare not say. I'm not like you.

[countceprano]

Go read some more reviews so you'll know who is actually good or not.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano That's what I call an argument... I suppose all you know about opera you read in reviews... but how do you know it's the "right" reviews and not those who praise Domingo's Rigoletto?

[countceprano]

Right... you like fuller voices in Verdi. Voices that have the requisite power and sonority and that can be heard when singing with other full voiced colleagues. And those who rely on reviews to tell them who has this kind of voice is.... uneducated. An idiot. See how easy that way?

Ciao.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano So anyone who thinks that DH's volume is OK is uneducated (= idiot). The dividing line being.... you. Gosh, for how long are you willing to argue that your opinion is superior?

[countceprano]

After all.... plenty of people do!

[countceprano]

Why don't you think Hampson is a Verdian?

[frufruJ]

@countceprano I simply prefer others in Verdi. I like fuller voices in Verdi. Not my cup of tea. I think DH is much more of a Verdi singer than Hampson. But then, there are many people who like Hampson in Verdi roles. Are they idiots, or do they see something I don't? Is there no point at all in Hampson singing Verdi? Does the fact that I don't see it give me the right to condemn?

[countceprano]

"you label anyone with a different opinion an idiot"

No.. only idiots.  People who think DH, Hampson, etc... are Verdi baritones, are idiots. And there are plenty of you who think that. Sorry, if the shoe fits.....

[frufruJ]

@countceprano In other words, people who don't share your opinion. I don't think Hampson is a Veridan, which doesn't give me the right to call names those who think he is. Your other point on why DH is not a Verdian, besides that YOU don't think so...?

[countceprano]

Reviews??? LOL! Domingo got rave reviews as Boccanegra too. He's a TENOR and sounded ridiculous as the Doge. So did Hampson. You're an idiot. Reviews are the last thing that people who understand opera pay attention to. BTW, Bocelli got rave reviews for his recording of the Verdi Requiem. Think that means anything? Is he a Verdi singer? The reviews, which are bought and paid for, said so. Sad.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano Of course, both official and unofficial reviews. But you know better than anyone, we should be happy that you visited our puny channel and told us that YOU couldn't hear DH at the MET. If not for you, we would be listening to Bocelli, and you opened up our horizons. Because we don't have ears and minds, we know nothing about opera, music or art! Thank God you enlightened us with your unshakable Truth.

[countceprano]

@frufruJ : Go read some more reviews, so you'll know who is good. When DH records Otello with Bocelli and Brightman and the reviews are fabulous, I guess you'll believe them too? Sure you will.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano My point was that I am not the only one who thinks that way. Unfortunately, you label anyone with a different opinion an idiot. Good for you. I should label you an idiot for uttering the names of DH and Bocelli in the same sentence.

All you've said is that you couldn't hear DH at the Met, which makes him not a Verdi baritone. I said that I heard him in Europe and he sounded fine to me. Is there any particular reason why you call me an idiot?

[Salomes7Veils]

@countceprano LOL!!! Brightman and Bocelli... That was a very good one! I hear you, but you have to admit that DH at least have a gorgeous voice to what he is suited for? He is certainly not a "fake" operasinger like the aforementioned.

[countceprano]

@Salomes7Veils : Yes, I said several times in this thread that I like his voice, just not in Verdi. I like a lot of voices that are underpowered for Verdi, especially in big houses. But not Bocelli or Brightman in any house!

[Salomes7Veils]

@countceprano LOL! Certainly not! Not in ANY house. What type of baritone are you, by the way? Who is your favourite? Ettore Bastianini, George London, Renato Bruson, Piero Cappuccilli and Sergej Leiferkus I like in Verdi. Thomas Allen and Ruggiero Raimondi I also like alot, maybe not so much for Verdi, but other things... There are so many!.... The baritone is my favourite male voice. :)

[countceprano]

@Salomes7Veils : I'm a full lyric.. perhaps a tad heavier than Thomas Allen, though certainly not as pretty. Hard to pick a fave... way too many! Give me a role. From recordings, Bastianini, Warren, Merrill, Tibbett, London.... those pop in my head first. Of the baritones I've heard live... Cappuccilli and Louis Quilico are my favorites... both amazing voices.. big, full and EASY sounding. .

[countceprano]

@Salomes7Veils : in song rep, Hermann Prey might be my favorite. I heard him in recital singing Dichterliebe and it's just hard to imagine anything being better in that kind of rep. BUT.... DH at Carnegie singing Russian songs was very close!

[1947Rollo]

@Salomes7VeilsCredo sia interessante la discussione tra@countceprano@frufruj@salom­es7veils,ma ahimè non capisco l'inglese.Sono stati citati alcuni baritoni,non so se in positivo o negativo,vorrei proporre per un attimo di mettere da parte nomi celebri come Bruson-Cappuccilli-Nucci-Alvar­ez-McNeill--Zancanaro-Milnes-B­astianini-Merril-Tibbet-London ecc.e proporre l'ascolto,nella stessa aria,del bar. veneziano Antonio Salvadori,certo meno famoso,non appartenendo allo star system,e sentire un parere

[countceprano]

It's an opinion that all those who understand voice share. Which leaves you out.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano Oh, really? "we, who understand voice, think like me. Those who think otherwise, know nothing." Very good. What about all those rave reviews of his Boccanegra?

[countceprano]

I've heard him much more than once.

"What makes you think you're right, and not me?"

Because you've shown you have no clue. Bye.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano I have no clue, because I think he's Verdian, which is an opinion you apparently don't share.

[countceprano]

I have well supported my argument. DH could not be heard in a standard Verdi opera when his colleagues were singing with him. His voice is lovely, but too small and light for Verdi. Case closed.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano So you heard him once, I heard him twice. In bigger roles. I say he's Verdian. You say he's not. What makes you think you're right, and not me?

[countceprano]

@frufruJ : And like I say... some folks think Tom Hampson is a Verdian too. So what can you do but just say... if you think so?

[countceprano]

You should rest your case because you're making a fool of yourself. You heard him fine in ROH. That ain't the Met. And you heard him with Roberto Alagna, who is about as far from Manrico as DH is from di Luna.

"I do think that he is a Verdian singer"

And that says it all. Thomas Hampson sings Verdi all over Europe too. Now, go ahead and rest your case.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano What? All your argument is that ROH is not the Met? I don't care about your Met! I didn't say that I like Alagna, who, by the way, was a pleasant surprise as Manrico (just in case you wanna know). Yet again, you say that the only reason I'm wrong is that I believe that DH is a Verdian singer - "And that says it all." Is that all you have to support your argument?

[countceprano]

@frufruJ "All your argument is that ROH is not the Met?" Uh... no. My argument is that DH could not be heard with his colleagues in a standard Verdi opera at the Met.... and other Verdi singers have no problem being heard at the Met.

Ciao.

[countceprano]

I know the Met is bigger than the houses Verdi composed for. But other singers that are known for singing Verdi are heard just fine at the Met. DH is not. What don't you get? None of the voices I heard him with in Don Carlo are huge... just big. His voice is not big at all. Verdi baritone voices are big. If you don't think so, name me one whose voice wasn't. What makes me think you're wrong is the simple fact that you think DH is a Verdi singer.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano Because I have ears, I heard him fine here, I think he was great, I do think that he is a Verdian singer. I have no reason to believe otherwise. If you do (apparently based on one night), please do overcome the sacred urge to shred wisdom on us common YouTubers who are so painfully unaware of the smallness of DH's voice. If you think that I'm wrong because I have a different opinion (your last sentence), I rest my case.

[countceprano]

Have you been to the Met? It's MUCH bigger than ROH. You can argue all you want, but if one can't be heard with colleagues who have suitable voices for Don Carlo, your argument is foolish. Like I say... if you think he's a good Verdi baritone fine. Some people think Chef Boyardee Ravioli is good Italian food too. Enough of this.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano Met is bigger than European houses... Met is bigger than the houses Verdi composed for. I don't get your argument, and am once again insulted by your comparison. Do you think I know nothing about opera? What makes you think that you are right and I am wrong?

[countceprano]

ROH is not the Met... I've been in both. If one can't Verdi at the Met, one is NOT a Verdi baritone... simple as that. I've heard both Louis Quilico and Sherrill Milnes at the Met in the role of Rodrigo. They were singing with colleagues that were aptly cast and they had NO problem being heard. I like DH's voice... but he ain't a Verdi baritone.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano Who says that the Met is above other houses? On what grounds do you decide that? And who ever said that Verdi operas need huge voices? I'm hearing him in Europe, he sounds fine, will listen to him. You don't have to, but if you write that he's not a Verdi baritone, I'm going to argue, because I think it's just not true.

[countceprano]

My only concern is not loudness. However, I heard him in Don Carlo at the Met. He was inaudible when singing with Rene Pape as King Phillip, Johann Botha as Don Carlo and Olga Borodina as Eboli. So, when one is improperly cast with colleagues who are suitably cast, that's the price you pay. If you think he's a Verdi baritone, fine. Some people think Bocelli could sing Verdi as well. So there you go.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano Whoa, whoa, whoa, comparing Hvorostovsky to Bocelli??? Are you just trolling me? :-)

The singers you say sang with him on that night have pretty big voices, as far as I know, and DH with his beautiful medium-sized voice might have come out as the one with the smallest. The mistake might be on the part of the casting, the size of the orchestra, or just a bad night, but I'm telling you that he was a wonderful Di Luna in ROH and Rigoletto in Vienna.

[countceprano]

@frufruJ : BTW.... you said "the singers you say sang with him on that night have pretty big voices..." well... no kidding? That's what the operas of Verdi call for. And he has a smallish voice... no bigger than Thomas Allen, who I've heard quite often at the Met and who is not foolish enough to think himself a Verdi baritone.

[countceprano]

Beautiful voice, but totally too light for Verdi.  I've heard him in the Met in several Verdi parts. Or rather, almost heard him. On the other hand, his Yeletsky in Pique

Dame was marvelous at the Met and his Eugene Onegin was quite good as well.

[frufruJ]

@countceprano I heard him in ROH, heard him perfectly. If your only concern is loudness, he was louder than Alagna. His voice is beautiful AND good for Verdi. "Quite good as Onegin" qualifies for the understatement of the year.

[ElSalvador50]

I can't find a better example of all of Hvorostovsky's talents than here. Especially the legato and placement of every note.

I hope i can sing like this one day, maybe i will since my voice teacher says my voice is developing like a young Dmitri Hvorostovsky :)

[eurydike]

@ElSalvador50 if you develop into a new hvorostovsky, i hope i could listen to your singing one day:-)

[marokt]

Quite boring aria without an great artist, like him.

[bodiloto]

questo é un modello per il giovane pubblico ,sia cosi .

[ahoire]

great performance. and the orchestra and the conductor are great too.

[chengducat]

This is so enjoyable with the beautifu staging. I love the aria.

[frufruJ]

Why don't you look at it from the opposite side? They all learn Italian *so well* that the only problem is the occasional confusion of a double/single letter. Really, how many languages do you know that perfectly? ;-)

[frufruJ]

First, it's "cara".

Second, by your logic, should we sing opera translated to our own languages, so that it doesn't insult your precious ear? My first language is Czech, and *nobody* foreign sings Czech 100% properly. Similar to Russian, French. So what are you whining about? You're making a fuss as if he were singing "mille ani". Be glad that you're lucky that Italian composers are so popular and that we sing them in the original language.

Third, I apparently speak more languages than you :-)))

[micky9321]

great !!

[chupszg]

grande !!!!