@ApemanD "Natural selection played a major part in the columbine shooters attitudes and actions." I believe I read this in a paper the last time I visited make believe fantasy land too"
lol how could you justify.....that columbine massacre was because of some ideology regarding evolution as its inspiration?
@ApemanD Hitler didn't think he was Aryan. Just less ape then any Jew or African american. Thus Hitler believed he was part ape. Evolutionary view point can be a definite stepping stone to racism, division, and war as much as any ideological cause. Natural selection played a major part in the columbine shooters attitudes and actions. This dosent mean people that believe in evolution are hitlers or murderers My point is its certainly a belief system 100% big business funded.
@ApemanD I have never read Mein kompf. This comment is referring to the statement that hitler believed in evolution. Apes breading into modern humans through sexual reproduction...very much evolution. Whether his science was good. It was based on morphology and inference. This isn't is far from what is taught as you like to at. Certainly it can lead to racism and division. People are all related and crated the same racism is the utmost ignorance.
@smoothpeople33 "...nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump , as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today."-
There are no known risks associated with vaccinations.
We support the work of the pharmaceutical industry and invest heavily in their research.
There's NO conclusive evidence that vaccines at birth cause Autism.
Get your annual vaccinations and keep yourself up-to-date to boost your child's immune system to prevent Autism.
We support the Center for Disease Control, World Health Organization, the FDA, DHS and the Obama Administration's efforts to mass vaccinate the world to save billions of lives
All right, I must be missing something. I've read the Klinghoffer article in HP and haven't found anything in it you suggest is there. Maybe somewhere else, but in this article Klinghoffer doesn't make a single case for Creationism.
In the article all Klinghoffer uses an accurate quote, "[Hitler's ideas] came from many different sources but no honest account will omit Darwin".
He didn't didn't deny Darwin's theories. I mean, what exactly in this article are you arguing with?
@razumfrackle "The Nazi Party in general rejected Darwinism and supported Christianity. In 1935, Die Bücherei, the official Nazi journal for lending libraries, published a list of guidelines of works to reject, including:
Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel). (Die Bücherei 1935, 279)"
I would like to see the article Klinger cited though.
That was a copy and paste of the index of creationist claims on TalkOrigins.
There are also some quote of hitler were he rejects evolution saying things like 'what right do we have to believe that man has not always been what he is today"
and
"the fox remains always a fox the goose always a goose"
I'll be bacck with more when I find sources on these as well. May take a bit.
One historical correction I must make. Hitler did not put 'Gott Mit Uns' on the Nazi soldiers' belt buckles. That phrase was on German uniforms during WW1 long before Hitler came to power.
@peterandfaith Yea, Ive heard that, and have no objection to its veracity. That being said, he didn't remove it, which, if he was an atheist and that was the driving force of his platform, he would have.
Yes, a fair point that he did not remove it. My concern is giving the creationist liars any kind of ammunition. I know they will grab it and try to make it look like we are the liars. I've had this experience with some of my relatives and would like to avoid it.
@peterandfaith I agree that thats also a valid point- we must take every precaution not to become like them, and I will state it more clearly next time in future videos.
@DonExodus2 Politicians look for support so it is logical from a historical stand point. I was surprised how entertaining this was to listen to regardless of difference in opinions. One point that I will make is Hitler did believe in evolution. Bad people have beliefs too...
No.6 Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (H�ckel).
6. Schriften weltanschaulichen und lebenskundlichen Charakters, deren Inhalt die falsche naturwissenschaftliche Aufkl�rung eines primitiven Darwinismus und Monismus ist (H�ckel).
Hitler refused to accept any ape relationship with humans.
@EvolutionLIE, “Darwin ripped of[f] ‘evolution philosophy’ from pagans millenia earlier.”
No, he didn’t.
“Only fools believe that tripe ! Darwin denounced it on his death bed !”
No, he didn’t. Even AnswersInGenesis doesn’t believe that, and includes a detailed REFUTATION of that in the section of their website entitled “Arguments Christians Shouldn’t Use.”
@EvolutionLIE And stop calling me friend! Do you notice that ALL these Atheists who actively deny God behave in repulsive, stupid , aggressive, psychotic manner ? Look in the mirror, that's the way christian's act, not us. Don't try to label us for your failings, but blaming others is the christian way, and it will never change. And learn to spell. C Ya, Looser
@EvolutionLIE Your a pathetic little man, or what ever you are and you need your ass kicked! So, what are your demons, do you jerk off, internet porn? There's gotta be something wrong with you? There isn't a thing that atheist's have ever done to make the world the way it is, we don't burn witches, take slaves, slaughter cultures for their gold in the name of god, go on Crusades, that left to the christians. Talk about deception, take a history lesson, DICK!
@EvolutionLIE Religion's have been doing that shit you speak of to each other long, long before Atheism was ever thought of. Stop trying to blame us for all your atrocities that were committed in the name of god. How many people and cultures were destroyed in the name of god, MILLIONS! And your still doing it to each other. When was the last time a bunch of Atheist's started a World War, or gang raped a girl, abused little boy's in a church? Atheist's don't hate god, they just don't believe
@EvolutionLIE Why you stupid fuck, every christian is a robot. All this shit was committed and condoned by your god, it's all in the bible, or do you only read what you want to read. Have you ever checked the crime statistics in the US, you scum bag christians top the list in every category, but you missed a few like domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse and rape. You hypercritical motherfucker!!! Do some research before you blame that shit on atheist's.
@EvolutionLIE No, your proof that giant asshole's exist. Look in the mirror. At least we don't lie to ourselves and speaking of aggressive, have you listened to your own e-mails? Go away, everybody hates you.
@EvolutionLIE Nobody wants to hear your shit, and only fools believe in magic and fairy tales. Where is your proof, you assholes keep bringing it up but you never show any. Put up or shut up.
@EvolutionLIE 'god' is NOT Observed in Reality ! Why don't you just kill yourself and find out. Darwinian Pagans, thats a new one, I can see it now, Pagans sitting around the fire discussing Evolution! You assholes are pulling rabbits out of your asses.You all say you have proof of god, where is it? Your comments are among the stupidest I've heard in a while. Do you jerk off watching kent hovind videos? 2 words for ya, Fuck off!
@EvolutionLIE Evolution is a fact, your just to dumb to understand it . The proof is overwhelming. Every spices is a transitional one. No biology without evolution. Get over it. But I might as well be talking to dryer lint.
Apparently someone wants to play MD. Only an absolute fool would claim that "nobody in the biological sciences, medicine included, needs evolution". Seriously? Evolution and mutations in medicine is of utmost importance in antibiotics, malignancies, and organ transplantation. The most BASIC of sciences including embryology and genetics are BASED on the veracity of common descent. Quit being a jackass.
1. If Hitler endorsed evolution, then evolution is false.
2. Hitler endorsed evolution.
3. Therefore, evolution is false.
Muahaha you evolutionist pagans and infidels! You have just been PWNED by the brick wall of incorrigibility. Creationist logic wins out again. As always.
Shazam! Creationist logic rises up from the murky depths of ineptitude to once again, commit epic self-PWNAGE. Before we know it, these cognitively vacuous self-deprecating stooges will be rewriting the laws of logic themselves. They're already trying to redefine science to include magic!
You mean If Hitler endorsed it then its False, and if he didn't it True!?
But Hitler Endorsed the biblical god again and again!!!
That means the BIBLICAL GOD IS FALSE!!! AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!
it seems your the one who hit the brick wall on that one! Self PWNEing eh!
Oh please do share the quote that Hitler directly says he endorses evolution, and also look for the part where he says evolution is an imposibility. And try to look for the part where he renounced his catholic faith. Good luck
I don't care that it is logically valid; I mean THIS argument is valid:
1. If my shoes are colored blue, then I own an interstellar spacecraft.
2. My shoes are colored blue
3. Therefore I own an interstellar spacecraft.
Creationists are in the domain of science, so they have to play by the rules of science. They have to show how "Goddidit" and "POOF! Magic" are better explanations then the explanations we are currently working with, and they haven't done that at all.
@mojorhythm, that argument is in fact valid, but unsound. The PREMISE is flawed. The one I gave below is BOTH unsound (the premise is debatable at best: any competent engineer would tell you that, all else being equal, the best design is the SIMPLEST one that accomplishes the desired task — complexity for the sake of complexity IS NOT evidence of design, or at least not of INTELLIGENT design) AND INVALID.
And now, I’ll show WHY it’s invalid. Let’s substitute an INDISPUTABLY TRUE premise:
@COMALiteJ Its only an AtC fallacy if you assume it is deductive logic; however, this reasoning is valid:
1. Fact E is observed
2. If hypothesis H were true, E would be a matter of course
3. Therefore there is reason to suspect H is true.
This is Pierce's abductive schema, and is how science is done. But the very fact that creationists are playing science disarms them, as I outlined in my previous post.
the real answer is quite complicated evolution among other ideas were common in the intellectual eugenics movement. most of those people thought more of sort of scientific matchmaker services rather than killing though many did favor sterilization
but the nazi movement doesn't have many ties to intellectual branch of the eugenics movement. hitler's was a far more folksy version. mein kampf does not depend on scientific arguments it is mostly a piece of chest thumping nationalism
I can total approve of people sedition to keep VFX's private life privet. and I wouldn't want them to tell people. But I still want to know. It’s like when you wall in on a hot women getting changed. You don’t look but you still want to look.
Christopher Columbus discovered the American Continents (or at least made their existence known to Europeans), resulting in the conquest and deaths of millions of people and culturecide of many whole cultures. Most would consider those to be bad things.
And yet — despite all this — the American Continents do still ACTUALLY EXIST!
No, REALLY!!
They DO!!!
HONEST!!!!
SEE!? (for those of you who live there) They’re RIGHT UNDER YOUR FEET!!!!!!!
@gateman42, I didn’t say that Columbus DID set foot in North America. I said that he made the existence of the American Continents known to the Europeans.
That said, he did set foot on the islands of San Salvador and Hispaniola, and later along the shores of Central America, which are indeed technically part of the North American continental land mass (including continental shelves).
@COMALiteJ I was just saying. I know that he landed in these places and after thinking about it, how could he have made the existence known to Europeans when he didn't know about them himself? The people that followed were blown or drifted off coarse and found the Americas by accident, but I totality agree with you
@gateman42, Columbus not knowing that the American Continents existed as such does not change the fact that he was the one who made their existence known.
Others found America as well, some even before Columbus. But their actions did not lead to the Europeans learning of the existence of the New World.
Columbus’s did, largely because of his personality, will, and conviction. The man had enormous charisma, powerful enough to sway monarchs against the wisdom of their own scholars.
@BillHicks420, Yes, the Vikings beat Columbus to the New World, and there is even some evidence that the Chinese and even Egyptians came here as well.
That wasn’t my point. My point was it was Columbus, and ONLY Columbus, whose voyages led to the Europeans in general LEARNING OF the EXISTENCE of the New World, thus paving the way to the conquest thereof. Had Columbus not sailed west, the world would be VERY different today. The same doesn’t hold true for the Vikings, etc.
@BillHicks420, Unfortunately, links are difficult to post into YouTube™ Text Comments because of their anti-spam algorithms. If you try to post a post containing an undisguised link, you get, in red, “Error — try again.”
That said, “some evidence” above should more accurately read, “some speculations.” There’s a book, for instance, entitled “1421: The Year China Discovered the World” which posits that a fleet under Admiral Zheng He landed in the Americas in 1421.
@COMALiteJ So I see, well thanks for the info. Anyway, if you want to post a link on a youtube comment section, just delete the htt p... tag, and put a bunch of spaces, for example between the three w's, before the ending etc. Basically before every "."...
yeah if you know just a little more about evolution than they do, you can get stumped by a clever enough arguer. lucky for me i studied evolution for academic decathlon so the arguments come easily.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
Man I hate atheists. They're just like fuckin Jehovas witnesses. They come to you and tell you "HAH YOU HAVE A RELIGION!! HAHA YOU MUST BE STUPID!". >Excuse me. Hey, did I ask you for your comment?
>No
>Then stfu!
It's getting annoying and 99% of atheists just do it to be different. I will keep my religion to myself, you keep your faggotry to your own self. I WILL NOT FUCKING CONVERT BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME "RELIGION IS BS. I'VE HEARD IT A MILLION TIMES WHY WOULD I CONVERT NOW?!"
@LustX Why dont you look up this title; "if atheists acted religious" by Darkmatter525 and quit spewing nonsense like that. There are lots of reasons to speak out against religion, even if any of it is true and they have apparently gone right above your head.
The moment religious people stop trying to have their religion imposed on others, that they stop trying to destroy science with the nonsense of creationism, and when religion to ALL become "a private" thing, then it´ll be done - not before.
I would do the same if you believed in the Loch Ness monster, invisible fairies living in your asshole, a Magic Sandwich which cured cancer, psychokinesis, gnomes in your garden,etc.
Do you hate people who don't believe that Elvis is still alive as well? How dare they! They should learn to respect peoples beliefs instead of telling Elvis-fans to grow up and get a life.
Thanks for attaching a link to download the vid in a single file so I don't have to download six seperate files...oh wait...you didn't ....I hope you appreciate the effort I put in for you..also..the game
6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel).
and
c) All writings that ridicule, belittle or besmirch the Christian religion and its institution, faith in God, or other things that are holy to the healthy sentiments of the Volk.
Yup, seems like he hated religion and loved darwin.. not.
The villain in all this is education. If everyone had to take a class where the basic concepts of science were presented clearly and simply (it can be done, I've seen it on YouTube) we wouldn't have half this bullshit. It's the "keep 'em ignorant and divided" philosophy.
you could call eugenics "science" but i think a more correct label would be "engineering." science is concerned with knowledge, engineering is concerned with application of that knowledge to realize a solution to the needs of society. blaming darwin for eugenics is like blaming newton not only for the projectile weapon (second law of motion) but for every killing ever done via projectile.
@xbyiu97 Eugenics has little scientific basis from an evolutionary perspective, it employs only a foggy understanding of genetics. Anyone who understands the first thing about evolution understands that genetic variety only benefits the survival capability of a species. Selectively removing certain genetic characteristics destroys whatever possible benefits or mutations they could have led to. Eugenics is basically people breeding, and it suffers the same inadequacies.
The audio is the video. I simply open a new tab and browse other sites while listening - You can't expect recorded phone/skype calls to be the best quality. But there's only so much you can do.
BOTH sides arguing extremes in this Darwin/Hitler discussion drive me nuts....both sides engage in "wishful thinking" and historical revisionism throughout.
First of all scientists and evolutionists were *all over* this eugenics thing, even though...duh...eugenics is "artificial selection", not "natural selection", and ...duh...even creationists believed (and still do) in artificial selection. Galton, the father of eugenics, was un-deniably influenced to his theory by OoS. NO question.
2) Darwin's son and grandson were eugenicists. So was R.A. Fisher, a founding father of the modern synthesis, and Julian Huxley--very famous champion of Darwin in the mid 20th century, the Richard Dawkins of his day. Eugenic thought dominated evolutionary thinking in 1st half of 20th century sciences in America-it was taught in the famous textbook Scopes was trying to use in TN Monkey Trial. The Christian plaintiffs/W. J. Bryan linked eugenics to evolution.
3) Hitler was a Christian about like Galton was; both began with some religious beliefs, but Hitler created a new religion out of Aryanism and German Nationalism, more pagan than Christian--Galton created a new religion of eugenics. (not joking) RA Fisher was very religious Christian. Atheist Clarence Darrow - who defended Scopes teaching from same evolution textbook that taught eugenics - was a vocal critic of eugenics. So not to put too fine a print on it,
4) Eugenics *was* from the sciences-that's where Hitler got it. He relied on scientists to structure it, study it, implement eugenics programs-- But just like you don't have to be an atheist to accept evol you didn't have to be an atheist to enthusiastically support eugenics.
Scientists in this lamentable period proved themselves to be no more/no less ethical than anybody else-including religious people. So many on both sides in this debate are in denial about what really happened.
@geodgereturns I explained earlier how eugenics is not irrevokably tied to science.
Its been around as long as man has been domesticating other species.
In fact, Plato even commented on eugenics. It did come from science for most scientists outside germany who did not believe in this superior race so much as wanted to limit the disease genes which even today we agree would be nice to abolish such as for example, cancer.
Hitlers eugenics was a warped use of science as an excuse for racism.
@geodgereturns Its sad you think scientists wanting to rid world of disease is less ethical than group wanting to rid world of other races just because both claim science is on their side
It is sad that some scientists supported Hitlers extreme views, but scientists were so disgusted by his movement, that the high point of eugenics worldwide only lasted about 30 years, and slowly fell to the obscure fringes its lauded by today
You act like all eugenics was one similar purpose, you are wrong
>"but Hitler created a new religion out of Aryanism and German Nationalism,"
First off, it was Himmler who was a fan of 'Blood and Soil' theology. When Hitler was only 95% insane -- and still staunchy Roman Catholic -- he used to argue with Himmler about it.
It's only after years of Theodore Morell's Amphetamine injections and syphillis totally stole the last crumbs of Hitler's sanity that he supported 'Blood and Soil'.
Even if all of his descendants were commie-symp nazi paedophiles and backstreet boys fans....what bearing would that have on the change in allelic frequencies?
>"The Christian plaintiffs/W. J. Bryan linked eugenics to evolution."
Just because some Christian says "anyone not us"=="bad" doesn't make it so.
I'm not a creationist, dimwit. I derive my knowledge of history from real historians of modern science and the Nazi rise to power rather than from the sorts of dupes, dopes and propagandists droning 24/7 on the internet. I'm into challenging pseudo-history and pseudo-science both. And I won't defend revisionist arguments that seek to whitewash or twist the facts either to further some larger agenda or because people are too afraid or too childish to cope with reality.
If you re-read my posts to you, you'll see I didn't use the word creationist.
That said, if you don't want to be confused with creationists, don't use the same hoary, shallow, already debunked arguments that they use.
Also, I'm very suspicious of your smug claims about "real historians" and "psuedo-history"....that kind of rhetoric usually comes out of Zeitgesiters, Anti-Vaxers, Alex Jones fans and nutters ranting about "Zog".
Yeah-you're the genius here. ROFL~ ! "Hitler's Scientists" is a good one. "Hitler's Pope". I studied the Nuremberg trials-where Nazi scientists testified to the heavy influence of American eugenics on their racial hygiene crap. My main area of study was the history of evolutionary theory and the modern synthesis. I majored in physical anthropology and later the history of science at UC Berkeley. And I don't like idiots pissing the subject up with myths.
>"Nazi scientists testified to the heavy influence of American eugenics on their racial hygiene crap."
So?
Nobody on Youtube (other than a few neo-nazi fringe players) takes those seriously anymore. They were discredited a long time ago and have no relevance to this discussion. You might as well bring up Hollow/Flat Earth Theology or Theosophy.
>"PS-pseudo. e-u."
Ah, implying a mistype means I'm a drooling noob. (slow sarcastic golf clap). That's real big of you.
"Nobody on Youtube (other than a few neo-nazi fringe players) takes those seriously anymore. "
And? So what've I said to lead you to think I claimed otherwise? You're arguing with the voices in your head-I post facts, and you're projecting onto them arguments I've never made.
"Ah, implying a mistype means I'm a drooling noob. (slow sarcastic golf clap). That's real big of you."
Lord SmartyPants3, you picked this fight-painting me as a Zeitgeister + Alex Jones knuckle-walker.
>"You're arguing with the voices in your head-I post facts, and you're projecting onto them arguments I've never made."
Ah, no....you sound like you are aiming your projector at a mirror. That's whats blinding you.
>"you picked this fight-painting me as a Zeitgeister + Alex Jones knuckle-walker."
Sure, you might be a nice guy in real life...when you say exactly the same things as a zeitgeisting knucklewalker says....what other impression am I supposed to gather, eh?
@geodgereturns Its irrelevent what his family members were as it has no bearing on science or evolution theory itself.
It doesnt matter that eugenics can be linked to evolution because evolution doesnt speak about eugenics. The theory is about how life got to the present, it was not a theory on how it should be in the future.
Scientists in US and other countries outside germany were interested in eugenics to stop hereditary disease. It used knowledge of genetics that was advancing during ...
My point is that advocates on "both sides" (as if there were just 2) do the same shit-stop it you BOTH. When you say "There's no extreme view of atheists here" -like hell. Wake up-read comments! Christians demure "there's no denying on our side!" of things like the prosecution of Galileo or Spanish Inquisition. It's the same bullshit! A tuning out or trivializing of the crappy stuff and the grandiosity ie fantasy of unmet promise. Grow past this!
@geodgereturns Are you claiming that there is something immoral about the theory of evolution because it happened to inspire a few insane ideas in a few insane and powerful people? What does eugenics have to do with evolution? Evolution itself makes no statements concerning race other than to call attention to the fact that the notion is just an illusion in the first place. Evolutionary theory denies the existence of distinct races.
No. I'm not saying that. As I said-eugenics isn't Darwinian at all. Darwin's theory is natural selection. Eugenics is artificial selection. But did Darwinism lead to eugenics? Yes-thousand times yes. Don't forget, Darwin's nat. selection didn't take hold for years-OoS soon convinced most ppl that evolution was true, but most, not even Thos Huxley accepted nat. selection. It wasn't till 1930-(after Galton's eugenics was established) that nat. selection became the dominant theory.
@geodgereturns You didnt make sense in your last post to me, I really cant tell what you were saying, nor did you point out how the atheists here are being extreme, but then you say Evolution(Darwinism) led to eugenics?Even after it was pointed out that eugenics is before evolution and unrelated to it despite that proponents were biologists or what they say.
Much of eugenics had to do with new understandings of hereditary genetics which only needed to know that children have parents traits.
@geodgereturns Even that much was known before evolution was known.
You then interestingly go on to claim that natural selection which is the foundation of evolution didnt even come to the fore til after eugenics was dying out as a popular issue.
Sounds like evolution wasnt needed by yet another example, even if somebody used it as an excuse for their reasoning in eugenics.
You even admit that whatever they said, it wasnt fit with reality.
@geodgereturns that time to consider ways to improve the human condition. It was at times in the US especially, also used by racists to keep whites and blacks from marrying, but evolution never considered one race superior, whatever the thoughts of the darwins were.
I researched and definitely the focus was generally on stopping the mental or the diseased genes in check. It was grounded in harsh practical science, but in the end did not affect the theories they were based on.
@geodgereturns I just finished the first clip and it seems you are giving these atheists credit for something they didnt say or believe.
Theres no extreme view of the atheists here. They never denied the eugenics came from the ideas of evolution, but that Hitlers view was warped, and it was. Theres no survival of the fittest in evolution, or superior species in any part of the theory of evolution.
Hitlers extreme eugenics wasnt even like much of what was being encouraged and enforced worldwide.
@geodgereturns Also, eugenics was around in some form before modern science or evolution.
No matter how many scientists were considering it, they didnt need Darwin, his family, or his theories to consider it.
The point of the speakers here is made with the example that if hitler is vegan, it doesnt mean all vegans are that bad also.
If somebody gets the idea of genetic engineering from evolution, that doesnt condemn evolution itself as the process itself has nothing to do with eugenics.
@geodgereturns also, somebody above made the point well that eugenics is the application of science to the human condition. You can believe that natural selection got us to where we are today, but that its not the only way it has to be. That we can improve things by engineering people like we have done animals for millenia.
Yes, artificial engineering was not a new concept back then. It was well established before evolution theory came around.
The holocaust would not have been possible without centuries of anti-semitism created by Christian leaders. Stalin's abuse by his father and his education in the church probably and the oppression of the people by the monarch justified by the church caused his lack of value in human life. And the millions of people that died under Mao's rule died because of natural disasters and failed policies not commonly by direct order.
If you are looking for a person to discuss creationism, I can recommend Ray Comfort/Kirk Cameron. They need to be exposed as charlatans and they are still too among the public.
I've *never* encountered a creationist honest enough to watch a video, or series, that I've directed them to.
The best they've ever managed is to glance at the title, and then then spam me with a 10 comment argument that can be refuted with a single sentence.
On a side note, what's the longest nonsensical rant about evolution or atheism people have had aimed at them in the comments section? I think mine's about 12 comments.
As mentioned, that's the great thing about making educational videos for YouTube. When you get tired of debating against the same nonsense over and over, just point them to the video collection. It's useful to have a handy list of the questions and topics discussed in the videos, so that you can quickly refer to the best ones.
People who really aren't after answers to their questins and unwilling to learn will simply not watch the videos, and you'll know they were not worth debating. Time saved.
@blackwolf1200 As a side effect it also shows them they're totally unoriginal and silly when they pose a that has been answered a thousand times before and made videos about... I bet they were thinking their question was the one to convert all the evil evilutionists ^,^
finally someone who isn't a retartded creationist prick.
XxH3llSoldierxX 1 month ago
@ApemanD no i was reading your comments and you caught him out...
im not sure if there is any good reason to speak to him......
sorry for bothering you.......
azmanabdula 1 year ago
@ApemanD "Natural selection played a major part in the columbine shooters attitudes and actions." I believe I read this in a paper the last time I visited make believe fantasy land too"
lol how could you justify.....that columbine massacre was because of some ideology regarding evolution as its inspiration?
thats crazy......
azmanabdula 1 year ago
@ApemanD Hitler didn't think he was Aryan. Just less ape then any Jew or African american. Thus Hitler believed he was part ape. Evolutionary view point can be a definite stepping stone to racism, division, and war as much as any ideological cause. Natural selection played a major part in the columbine shooters attitudes and actions. This dosent mean people that believe in evolution are hitlers or murderers My point is its certainly a belief system 100% big business funded.
smoothpeople33 1 year ago
@smoothpeople33
"The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger
will retain the character of a tiger". - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf,
vol. i, ch. xi
"...nowhere inside a kind
shows such a development as the breadth of the jump , as Man must supposedly
have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today."-
26 July 1942 in 'Hitler's Table Talk'
gamesbok 8 months ago
@ApemanD I have never read Mein kompf. This comment is referring to the statement that hitler believed in evolution. Apes breading into modern humans through sexual reproduction...very much evolution. Whether his science was good. It was based on morphology and inference. This isn't is far from what is taught as you like to at. Certainly it can lead to racism and division. People are all related and crated the same racism is the utmost ignorance.
smoothpeople33 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@smoothpeople33
WRONG. Hitler was as creationist as any other far right-winged moron.
NUTCASE71733 1 year ago
@smoothpeople33 "...nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump , as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today."-
26 July 1942 in 'Hitler's Table Talk'
gamesbok 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
What font have you used for the text in this video?
...
I'm just asking because I CAN'T SEE IT.
BrokenCurtain 1 year ago
Comment removed
BrokenCurtain 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
There are no known risks associated with vaccinations.
We support the work of the pharmaceutical industry and invest heavily in their research.
There's NO conclusive evidence that vaccines at birth cause Autism.
Get your annual vaccinations and keep yourself up-to-date to boost your child's immune system to prevent Autism.
We support the Center for Disease Control, World Health Organization, the FDA, DHS and the Obama Administration's efforts to mass vaccinate the world to save billions of lives
CorporateRule 1 year ago
All right, I must be missing something. I've read the Klinghoffer article in HP and haven't found anything in it you suggest is there. Maybe somewhere else, but in this article Klinghoffer doesn't make a single case for Creationism.
In the article all Klinghoffer uses an accurate quote, "[Hitler's ideas] came from many different sources but no honest account will omit Darwin".
He didn't didn't deny Darwin's theories. I mean, what exactly in this article are you arguing with?
razumfrackle 1 year ago
@razumfrackle "The Nazi Party in general rejected Darwinism and supported Christianity. In 1935, Die Bücherei, the official Nazi journal for lending libraries, published a list of guidelines of works to reject, including:
Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel). (Die Bücherei 1935, 279)"
I would like to see the article Klinger cited though.
GallusSapien 1 year ago
@razumfrackle oops forgot to cite my source.
That was a copy and paste of the index of creationist claims on TalkOrigins.
There are also some quote of hitler were he rejects evolution saying things like 'what right do we have to believe that man has not always been what he is today"
and
"the fox remains always a fox the goose always a goose"
I'll be bacck with more when I find sources on these as well. May take a bit.
GallusSapien 1 year ago
@DonExodus2
One historical correction I must make. Hitler did not put 'Gott Mit Uns' on the Nazi soldiers' belt buckles. That phrase was on German uniforms during WW1 long before Hitler came to power.
peterandfaith 1 year ago 2
@peterandfaith Yea, Ive heard that, and have no objection to its veracity. That being said, he didn't remove it, which, if he was an atheist and that was the driving force of his platform, he would have.
Fair?
DonExodus2 1 year ago 10
@DonExodus2
Yes, a fair point that he did not remove it. My concern is giving the creationist liars any kind of ammunition. I know they will grab it and try to make it look like we are the liars. I've had this experience with some of my relatives and would like to avoid it.
peterandfaith 1 year ago
@peterandfaith I agree that thats also a valid point- we must take every precaution not to become like them, and I will state it more clearly next time in future videos.
DonExodus2 1 year ago 2
@DonExodus2 Politicians look for support so it is logical from a historical stand point. I was surprised how entertaining this was to listen to regardless of difference in opinions. One point that I will make is Hitler did believe in evolution. Bad people have beliefs too...
(continued) Hitlers List
smoothpeople33 1 year ago
@DonExodus2
Here is Hitlers list:
Nordic (blond, blue-eyed) Close to pure Aryan
Germanic (brown hair, blue-eyed, or less desirable, brown-eyed) Predominantly Aryan
Mediterranean (white but swarthy) Slight Aryan preponderance
Slavic (white but degenerative bone structure) Close to Aryan, half-Ape
Oriental Slight Ape preponderance
Black African Predominantly Ape
Jewish (fiendish skull) Close to pure Ape
smoothpeople33 1 year ago
@smoothpeople33 Hitler's list of banned writings.
Guidelines from Der Bucherie 2:6 (1935), P279
No.6 Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (H�ckel).
6. Schriften weltanschaulichen und lebenskundlichen Charakters, deren Inhalt die falsche naturwissenschaftliche Aufkl�rung eines primitiven Darwinismus und Monismus ist (H�ckel).
Hitler refused to accept any ape relationship with humans.
gamesbok 8 months ago
@EvolutionLIE, “Darwin ripped of[f] ‘evolution philosophy’ from pagans millenia earlier.”
No, he didn’t.
“Only fools believe that tripe ! Darwin denounced it on his death bed !”
No, he didn’t. Even AnswersInGenesis doesn’t believe that, and includes a detailed REFUTATION of that in the section of their website entitled “Arguments Christians Shouldn’t Use.”
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@EvolutionLIE And stop calling me friend! Do you notice that ALL these Atheists who actively deny God behave in repulsive, stupid , aggressive, psychotic manner ? Look in the mirror, that's the way christian's act, not us. Don't try to label us for your failings, but blaming others is the christian way, and it will never change. And learn to spell. C Ya, Looser
gateman42 1 year ago
@EvolutionLIE Your a pathetic little man, or what ever you are and you need your ass kicked! So, what are your demons, do you jerk off, internet porn? There's gotta be something wrong with you? There isn't a thing that atheist's have ever done to make the world the way it is, we don't burn witches, take slaves, slaughter cultures for their gold in the name of god, go on Crusades, that left to the christians. Talk about deception, take a history lesson, DICK!
gateman42 1 year ago
@EvolutionLIE Religion's have been doing that shit you speak of to each other long, long before Atheism was ever thought of. Stop trying to blame us for all your atrocities that were committed in the name of god. How many people and cultures were destroyed in the name of god, MILLIONS! And your still doing it to each other. When was the last time a bunch of Atheist's started a World War, or gang raped a girl, abused little boy's in a church? Atheist's don't hate god, they just don't believe
gateman42 1 year ago
@EvolutionLIE Why you stupid fuck, every christian is a robot. All this shit was committed and condoned by your god, it's all in the bible, or do you only read what you want to read. Have you ever checked the crime statistics in the US, you scum bag christians top the list in every category, but you missed a few like domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse and rape. You hypercritical motherfucker!!! Do some research before you blame that shit on atheist's.
gateman42 1 year ago
@EvolutionLIE No, your proof that giant asshole's exist. Look in the mirror. At least we don't lie to ourselves and speaking of aggressive, have you listened to your own e-mails? Go away, everybody hates you.
gateman42 1 year ago
@EvolutionLIE Nobody wants to hear your shit, and only fools believe in magic and fairy tales. Where is your proof, you assholes keep bringing it up but you never show any. Put up or shut up.
gateman42 1 year ago
@EvolutionLIE 'god' is NOT Observed in Reality ! Why don't you just kill yourself and find out. Darwinian Pagans, thats a new one, I can see it now, Pagans sitting around the fire discussing Evolution! You assholes are pulling rabbits out of your asses.You all say you have proof of god, where is it? Your comments are among the stupidest I've heard in a while. Do you jerk off watching kent hovind videos? 2 words for ya, Fuck off!
gateman42 1 year ago
@EvolutionLIE Evolution is a fact, your just to dumb to understand it . The proof is overwhelming. Every spices is a transitional one. No biology without evolution. Get over it. But I might as well be talking to dryer lint.
gateman42 1 year ago
Apparently someone wants to play MD. Only an absolute fool would claim that "nobody in the biological sciences, medicine included, needs evolution". Seriously? Evolution and mutations in medicine is of utmost importance in antibiotics, malignancies, and organ transplantation. The most BASIC of sciences including embryology and genetics are BASED on the veracity of common descent. Quit being a jackass.
B.S. Biochemistry, M.D. Radiology.
jmcanoy1860 1 year ago
1. If Hitler endorsed evolution, then evolution is false.
2. Hitler endorsed evolution.
3. Therefore, evolution is false.
Muahaha you evolutionist pagans and infidels! You have just been PWNED by the brick wall of incorrigibility. Creationist logic wins out again. As always.
Q-E-motherfuckin'-D bitches and hoes.
mojorhythm 1 year ago
Comment removed
GigidyGoo92 1 year ago
@mojorhythm But Hitler did not endorse evolution, therefore evolution is true.
Hitler Endorsed the biblical god, therefore the biblical god is false.
recyard12x 1 year ago
@recyard12x
Shazam! Creationist logic rises up from the murky depths of ineptitude to once again, commit epic self-PWNAGE. Before we know it, these cognitively vacuous self-deprecating stooges will be rewriting the laws of logic themselves. They're already trying to redefine science to include magic!
mojorhythm 1 year ago
You mean If Hitler endorsed it then its False, and if he didn't it True!?
But Hitler Endorsed the biblical god again and again!!!
That means the BIBLICAL GOD IS FALSE!!! AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!
it seems your the one who hit the brick wall on that one! Self PWNEing eh!
Oh please do share the quote that Hitler directly says he endorses evolution, and also look for the part where he says evolution is an imposibility. And try to look for the part where he renounced his catholic faith. Good luck
emancoy 1 year ago
@emancoy
Dear god you are dumb. I am an atheist. The purpose of my comments was satire. Poe's Law is at work here.
mojorhythm 1 year ago
@mojorhythm oh sory, my bad
emancoy 1 year ago
@mojorhythm, that’s not the main Creationist logic. The main Creationist logic is:
• PREMISE: If Life and/or the Universe were Created, it would be very complex.
• OBSERVATION: We observe that Life and the Universe are very complex indeed.
• CONCLUSION: Therefore, Life and the Universe were indeed Created.
Nearly all of the work of Creationst books, websites, etc. is to shore up the Observation.
But do you see what’s wrong with the logic itself? Besides the Premise being unsound, that is?
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@COMALiteJ
I don't care that it is logically valid; I mean THIS argument is valid:
1. If my shoes are colored blue, then I own an interstellar spacecraft.
2. My shoes are colored blue
3. Therefore I own an interstellar spacecraft.
Creationists are in the domain of science, so they have to play by the rules of science. They have to show how "Goddidit" and "POOF! Magic" are better explanations then the explanations we are currently working with, and they haven't done that at all.
mojorhythm 1 year ago
@mojorhythm, that argument is in fact valid, but unsound. The PREMISE is flawed. The one I gave below is BOTH unsound (the premise is debatable at best: any competent engineer would tell you that, all else being equal, the best design is the SIMPLEST one that accomplishes the desired task — complexity for the sake of complexity IS NOT evidence of design, or at least not of INTELLIGENT design) AND INVALID.
And now, I’ll show WHY it’s invalid. Let’s substitute an INDISPUTABLY TRUE premise:
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@mojorhythm, (cont).
• PREMISE: If any given person were President of the USA, that person would be very famous.
(True enough! Even if the person somehow got elected President without already being famous, merely being President would itself garner fame.)
• OBSERVATION: We observe that Paris Hilton is very famous indeed.
• CONCLUSION: Therefore, Paris Hilton is proven to be President of the USA.
SAME LOGIC!!
It’s Affirming the Consequent!
COMALiteJ 1 year ago 2
@COMALiteJ Its only an AtC fallacy if you assume it is deductive logic; however, this reasoning is valid:
1. Fact E is observed
2. If hypothesis H were true, E would be a matter of course
3. Therefore there is reason to suspect H is true.
This is Pierce's abductive schema, and is how science is done. But the very fact that creationists are playing science disarms them, as I outlined in my previous post.
mojorhythm 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@COMALiteJ moreover, they could also frame the argument like this:
P1: If Life and/or the Universe is very complex, it must have been Created.
P2:We observe that Life and the Universe are very complex.
C: Therefore, Life and the Universe were Created.
Premiss 1 is obviously bullshit, but the syllogism obeys the laws of logic.
mojorhythm 1 year ago
@1aaronaaron1 IN BOOKS
I clearly stated "on the internet caps = loud talk." so what's the problem here?
LustX 1 year ago
blaming people who belive in evolution for eugenics is like blaming people who belive in fire for flame thrower attacks
celestialsalamander 1 year ago 22
@celestialsalamander Actually, it's closer to blaming people who believe in the periodic table of the elements for incendiary bombs.
Macrochenia 1 year ago 2
@Macrochenia
those damn periodist bastards! :P
pyr666 10 months ago
the real answer is quite complicated evolution among other ideas were common in the intellectual eugenics movement. most of those people thought more of sort of scientific matchmaker services rather than killing though many did favor sterilization
but the nazi movement doesn't have many ties to intellectual branch of the eugenics movement. hitler's was a far more folksy version. mein kampf does not depend on scientific arguments it is mostly a piece of chest thumping nationalism
LeopardFrogPilboxhat 1 year ago
I can total approve of people sedition to keep VFX's private life privet. and I wouldn't want them to tell people. But I still want to know. It’s like when you wall in on a hot women getting changed. You don’t look but you still want to look.
celestialsalamander 1 year ago
Hey, why not, “What Hath Columbus Wrought”?
Christopher Columbus discovered the American Continents (or at least made their existence known to Europeans), resulting in the conquest and deaths of millions of people and culturecide of many whole cultures. Most would consider those to be bad things.
And yet — despite all this — the American Continents do still ACTUALLY EXIST!
No, REALLY!!
They DO!!!
HONEST!!!!
SEE!? (for those of you who live there) They’re RIGHT UNDER YOUR FEET!!!!!!!
COMALiteJ 1 year ago 6
@COMALiteJ Columbus never set foot in North America.
gateman42 1 year ago
@gateman42, I didn’t say that Columbus DID set foot in North America. I said that he made the existence of the American Continents known to the Europeans.
That said, he did set foot on the islands of San Salvador and Hispaniola, and later along the shores of Central America, which are indeed technically part of the North American continental land mass (including continental shelves).
But that’s totally irrelevant to my point.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@COMALiteJ I was just saying. I know that he landed in these places and after thinking about it, how could he have made the existence known to Europeans when he didn't know about them himself? The people that followed were blown or drifted off coarse and found the Americas by accident, but I totality agree with you
gateman42 1 year ago
@gateman42, Columbus not knowing that the American Continents existed as such does not change the fact that he was the one who made their existence known.
Others found America as well, some even before Columbus. But their actions did not lead to the Europeans learning of the existence of the New World.
Columbus’s did, largely because of his personality, will, and conviction. The man had enormous charisma, powerful enough to sway monarchs against the wisdom of their own scholars.
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
@COMALiteJ *cough* Vikings *cough*
BillHicks420 8 months ago
@BillHicks420, Yes, the Vikings beat Columbus to the New World, and there is even some evidence that the Chinese and even Egyptians came here as well.
That wasn’t my point. My point was it was Columbus, and ONLY Columbus, whose voyages led to the Europeans in general LEARNING OF the EXISTENCE of the New World, thus paving the way to the conquest thereof. Had Columbus not sailed west, the world would be VERY different today. The same doesn’t hold true for the Vikings, etc.
COMALiteJ 8 months ago
@COMALiteJ Chinese and Egyptians you say? Please show me a link, that's interesting...
As for the rest of your post; yes of COURSE, I was just pointing it out, as it seemed you were onblivious to that fact.
BillHicks420 8 months ago
@COMALiteJ Chinese and Egyptians you say? Please show me a link, that's interesting...
As for the rest of your post; yes of COURSE, I was just pointing it out, as it seemed you were oblivious to that fact.
BillHicks420 8 months ago
@BillHicks420, Unfortunately, links are difficult to post into YouTube™ Text Comments because of their anti-spam algorithms. If you try to post a post containing an undisguised link, you get, in red, “Error — try again.”
That said, “some evidence” above should more accurately read, “some speculations.” There’s a book, for instance, entitled “1421: The Year China Discovered the World” which posits that a fleet under Admiral Zheng He landed in the Americas in 1421.
COMALiteJ 8 months ago
@COMALiteJ So I see, well thanks for the info. Anyway, if you want to post a link on a youtube comment section, just delete the htt p... tag, and put a bunch of spaces, for example between the three w's, before the ending etc. Basically before every "."...
BillHicks420 8 months ago
@1aaronaaron1, sorry, I vote your post down accidentally.
YouTube, the icons need to be visible all the time, and not just pop up under our mouse pointers when we’re only trying to scroll the page!
COMALiteJ 1 year ago
lol @ 9:25 "radiology"
Thanks for posting, Whitney. It's good to have a channel run by an actual biologist.
footloosebowler 1 year ago
@1aaronaaron1 people talking loudly? on the internet caps = loud talk.
lern2interwebs
LustX 1 year ago
yeah if you know just a little more about evolution than they do, you can get stumped by a clever enough arguer. lucky for me i studied evolution for academic decathlon so the arguments come easily.
losetheillusions 1 year ago
Horrible audio is horrible.
Nerusai 1 year ago
@Nerusai
In fact the audio so horrible, I can't follow it at all, and I would have liked to.
Nerusai 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Man I hate atheists. They're just like fuckin Jehovas witnesses. They come to you and tell you "HAH YOU HAVE A RELIGION!! HAHA YOU MUST BE STUPID!". >Excuse me. Hey, did I ask you for your comment?
>No
>Then stfu!
It's getting annoying and 99% of atheists just do it to be different. I will keep my religion to myself, you keep your faggotry to your own self. I WILL NOT FUCKING CONVERT BECAUSE YOU TOLD ME "RELIGION IS BS. I'VE HEARD IT A MILLION TIMES WHY WOULD I CONVERT NOW?!"
LustX 1 year ago
@LustX Thanks for keeping the all caps ranting to yourself.
Ansonidak 1 year ago
@LustX Is this a troll or a joke post?
Nobody forced this link on you. You clicked on it yourself and the title was clear, its about creationism.
You thought somebody would have a new supportive twist on it so you clicked?
not very bright if you thought that, lol
So anyway, if you dont want to hear us, dont click on links that may lead to countering of religion, very simple.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@LustX Why dont you look up this title; "if atheists acted religious" by Darkmatter525 and quit spewing nonsense like that. There are lots of reasons to speak out against religion, even if any of it is true and they have apparently gone right above your head.
The moment religious people stop trying to have their religion imposed on others, that they stop trying to destroy science with the nonsense of creationism, and when religion to ALL become "a private" thing, then it´ll be done - not before.
Korkzor 1 year ago
@LustX Thank you for coming to us to tell us how intrusive we are.
lazyperfectionist1 1 year ago
I would do the same if you believed in the Loch Ness monster, invisible fairies living in your asshole, a Magic Sandwich which cured cancer, psychokinesis, gnomes in your garden,etc.
Do you hate people who don't believe that Elvis is still alive as well? How dare they! They should learn to respect peoples beliefs instead of telling Elvis-fans to grow up and get a life.
mojorhythm 1 year ago
@LustX Do you talk to your priest with that mouth?
gateman42 1 year ago
the audio seems to be waxing and waning in volume.
freethinker923 1 year ago
Thanks for attaching a link to download the vid in a single file so I don't have to download six seperate files...oh wait...you didn't ....I hope you appreciate the effort I put in for you..also..the game
SupermarketsRevil 1 year ago
WHAT HATH DARWIN WROUGHT!!!
Uh... vaccinations?
lazyperfectionist1 1 year ago
"Malevolence" is a word that, as far as I know, VFX has yet to learn how to pronounce.
lazyperfectionist1 1 year ago
Guidelines for Banned Books in Germany:
6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel).
and
c) All writings that ridicule, belittle or besmirch the Christian religion and its institution, faith in God, or other things that are holy to the healthy sentiments of the Volk.
Yup, seems like he hated religion and loved darwin.. not.
troyboulay 1 year ago
Darth Segan rules the Dark Side of Darwinism.
Nawledge1 1 year ago
Your name is Whitney?
Keeban3 1 year ago
@Keeban3 lol ya, I didn't see that coming.
freethinker923 1 year ago
Dude, hearing you pop off in an unscripted environment, awesome. You have a quick wit.
erixmix 1 year ago
Huffington post?
And the right-wingers claim to be separate from these religious fundies.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
The villain in all this is education. If everyone had to take a class where the basic concepts of science were presented clearly and simply (it can be done, I've seen it on YouTube) we wouldn't have half this bullshit. It's the "keep 'em ignorant and divided" philosophy.
colourmegone 1 year ago
argh the sound volumes are so different in this video pls optimise it somehow..
S1nwar 1 year ago
people beware of the CROCOPINECONE
zygi22 1 year ago
@zygi22 That's what I found in my yard! It said Made by Kirk on the bottom!
gateman42 1 year ago
Oh goddammit. Now I'm ultra curious as to the "issues" VFX has.
eksyte 1 year ago
you could call eugenics "science" but i think a more correct label would be "engineering." science is concerned with knowledge, engineering is concerned with application of that knowledge to realize a solution to the needs of society. blaming darwin for eugenics is like blaming newton not only for the projectile weapon (second law of motion) but for every killing ever done via projectile.
xbyiu97 1 year ago 13
@xbyiu97 Eugenics has little scientific basis from an evolutionary perspective, it employs only a foggy understanding of genetics. Anyone who understands the first thing about evolution understands that genetic variety only benefits the survival capability of a species. Selectively removing certain genetic characteristics destroys whatever possible benefits or mutations they could have led to. Eugenics is basically people breeding, and it suffers the same inadequacies.
JoesephKatana 1 year ago
Thanks so much for sharing this with us DonEx! I have really enjoyed listening to part one & look forward to hearing the rest, again... thanks!
sheri226 1 year ago
man I'm tired of these "one picture" videos with a shit quality audio.
SuperiorApostate 1 year ago
@SuperiorApostate
The audio is the video. I simply open a new tab and browse other sites while listening - You can't expect recorded phone/skype calls to be the best quality. But there's only so much you can do.
bailesie 1 year ago
important note: Hitler was a creationist, and he denied evolution in mein kampf.
SoftWarewolf 1 year ago 3
@SoftWarewolf It's funny how creationists are trying to blame us for the worlds problems, when clearly it's god fault. Sad.
gateman42 1 year ago
10:50 yeah wtf ever happened to Gearup?
nomis101uk 1 year ago
BOTH sides arguing extremes in this Darwin/Hitler discussion drive me nuts....both sides engage in "wishful thinking" and historical revisionism throughout.
First of all scientists and evolutionists were *all over* this eugenics thing, even though...duh...eugenics is "artificial selection", not "natural selection", and ...duh...even creationists believed (and still do) in artificial selection. Galton, the father of eugenics, was un-deniably influenced to his theory by OoS. NO question.
-cont
geodgereturns 1 year ago
--cont
2) Darwin's son and grandson were eugenicists. So was R.A. Fisher, a founding father of the modern synthesis, and Julian Huxley--very famous champion of Darwin in the mid 20th century, the Richard Dawkins of his day. Eugenic thought dominated evolutionary thinking in 1st half of 20th century sciences in America-it was taught in the famous textbook Scopes was trying to use in TN Monkey Trial. The Christian plaintiffs/W. J. Bryan linked eugenics to evolution.
--cont.
geodgereturns 1 year ago
--cont
3) Hitler was a Christian about like Galton was; both began with some religious beliefs, but Hitler created a new religion out of Aryanism and German Nationalism, more pagan than Christian--Galton created a new religion of eugenics. (not joking) RA Fisher was very religious Christian. Atheist Clarence Darrow - who defended Scopes teaching from same evolution textbook that taught eugenics - was a vocal critic of eugenics. So not to put too fine a print on it,
--cont
geodgereturns 1 year ago
--conc
4) Eugenics *was* from the sciences-that's where Hitler got it. He relied on scientists to structure it, study it, implement eugenics programs-- But just like you don't have to be an atheist to accept evol you didn't have to be an atheist to enthusiastically support eugenics.
Scientists in this lamentable period proved themselves to be no more/no less ethical than anybody else-including religious people. So many on both sides in this debate are in denial about what really happened.
geodgereturns 1 year ago
@geodgereturns
(cont'd part 3)
>"Eugenics *was* from the sciences-that's where Hitler got it."
And he also thought the universe was created from a collision of ice and fire.
Because he was insane.
Instead of resurrecting people from the 1800's or people who died in WWII, why don't you stick to taking about modern (like post 1990's) science?
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@geodgereturns I explained earlier how eugenics is not irrevokably tied to science.
Its been around as long as man has been domesticating other species.
In fact, Plato even commented on eugenics. It did come from science for most scientists outside germany who did not believe in this superior race so much as wanted to limit the disease genes which even today we agree would be nice to abolish such as for example, cancer.
Hitlers eugenics was a warped use of science as an excuse for racism.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@geodgereturns Its sad you think scientists wanting to rid world of disease is less ethical than group wanting to rid world of other races just because both claim science is on their side
It is sad that some scientists supported Hitlers extreme views, but scientists were so disgusted by his movement, that the high point of eugenics worldwide only lasted about 30 years, and slowly fell to the obscure fringes its lauded by today
You act like all eugenics was one similar purpose, you are wrong
waltermh111 1 year ago
@geodgereturns
>"but Hitler created a new religion out of Aryanism and German Nationalism,"
First off, it was Himmler who was a fan of 'Blood and Soil' theology. When Hitler was only 95% insane -- and still staunchy Roman Catholic -- he used to argue with Himmler about it.
It's only after years of Theodore Morell's Amphetamine injections and syphillis totally stole the last crumbs of Hitler's sanity that he supported 'Blood and Soil'.
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@geodgereturns
>"Darwin's son and grandson were eugenicists."
Even if all of his descendants were commie-symp nazi paedophiles and backstreet boys fans....what bearing would that have on the change in allelic frequencies?
>"The Christian plaintiffs/W. J. Bryan linked eugenics to evolution."
Just because some Christian says "anyone not us"=="bad" doesn't make it so.
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@LordCustos3
I'm not a creationist, dimwit. I derive my knowledge of history from real historians of modern science and the Nazi rise to power rather than from the sorts of dupes, dopes and propagandists droning 24/7 on the internet. I'm into challenging pseudo-history and pseudo-science both. And I won't defend revisionist arguments that seek to whitewash or twist the facts either to further some larger agenda or because people are too afraid or too childish to cope with reality.
geodgereturns 1 year ago
@geodgereturns
>"I'm not a creationist, dimwit."
If you re-read my posts to you, you'll see I didn't use the word creationist.
That said, if you don't want to be confused with creationists, don't use the same hoary, shallow, already debunked arguments that they use.
Also, I'm very suspicious of your smug claims about "real historians" and "psuedo-history"....that kind of rhetoric usually comes out of Zeitgesiters, Anti-Vaxers, Alex Jones fans and nutters ranting about "Zog".
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@LordCustos3
Yeah-you're the genius here. ROFL~ ! "Hitler's Scientists" is a good one. "Hitler's Pope". I studied the Nuremberg trials-where Nazi scientists testified to the heavy influence of American eugenics on their racial hygiene crap. My main area of study was the history of evolutionary theory and the modern synthesis. I majored in physical anthropology and later the history of science at UC Berkeley. And I don't like idiots pissing the subject up with myths.
PS-pseudo. e-u.
geodgereturns 1 year ago
@geodgereturns
>"Nazi scientists testified to the heavy influence of American eugenics on their racial hygiene crap."
So?
Nobody on Youtube (other than a few neo-nazi fringe players) takes those seriously anymore. They were discredited a long time ago and have no relevance to this discussion. You might as well bring up Hollow/Flat Earth Theology or Theosophy.
>"PS-pseudo. e-u."
Ah, implying a mistype means I'm a drooling noob. (slow sarcastic golf clap). That's real big of you.
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@LordCustos3
"Nobody on Youtube (other than a few neo-nazi fringe players) takes those seriously anymore. "
And? So what've I said to lead you to think I claimed otherwise? You're arguing with the voices in your head-I post facts, and you're projecting onto them arguments I've never made.
"Ah, implying a mistype means I'm a drooling noob. (slow sarcastic golf clap). That's real big of you."
Lord SmartyPants3, you picked this fight-painting me as a Zeitgeister + Alex Jones knuckle-walker.
geodgereturns 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@geodgereturns
>"You're arguing with the voices in your head-I post facts, and you're projecting onto them arguments I've never made."
Ah, no....you sound like you are aiming your projector at a mirror. That's whats blinding you.
>"you picked this fight-painting me as a Zeitgeister + Alex Jones knuckle-walker."
Sure, you might be a nice guy in real life...when you say exactly the same things as a zeitgeisting knucklewalker says....what other impression am I supposed to gather, eh?
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@LordCustos3
that should read "...BUT when you say exactly the same things as..."
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@geodgereturns Its irrelevent what his family members were as it has no bearing on science or evolution theory itself.
It doesnt matter that eugenics can be linked to evolution because evolution doesnt speak about eugenics. The theory is about how life got to the present, it was not a theory on how it should be in the future.
Scientists in US and other countries outside germany were interested in eugenics to stop hereditary disease. It used knowledge of genetics that was advancing during ...
waltermh111 1 year ago
@waltermh111
Wow-geodge..did you got mail!
My point is that advocates on "both sides" (as if there were just 2) do the same shit-stop it you BOTH. When you say "There's no extreme view of atheists here" -like hell. Wake up-read comments! Christians demure "there's no denying on our side!" of things like the prosecution of Galileo or Spanish Inquisition. It's the same bullshit! A tuning out or trivializing of the crappy stuff and the grandiosity ie fantasy of unmet promise. Grow past this!
geodgereturns 1 year ago
@geodgereturns Are you claiming that there is something immoral about the theory of evolution because it happened to inspire a few insane ideas in a few insane and powerful people? What does eugenics have to do with evolution? Evolution itself makes no statements concerning race other than to call attention to the fact that the notion is just an illusion in the first place. Evolutionary theory denies the existence of distinct races.
Zeuts85 1 year ago
@Zeuts85
No. I'm not saying that. As I said-eugenics isn't Darwinian at all. Darwin's theory is natural selection. Eugenics is artificial selection. But did Darwinism lead to eugenics? Yes-thousand times yes. Don't forget, Darwin's nat. selection didn't take hold for years-OoS soon convinced most ppl that evolution was true, but most, not even Thos Huxley accepted nat. selection. It wasn't till 1930-(after Galton's eugenics was established) that nat. selection became the dominant theory.
geodgereturns 1 year ago
@geodgereturns You didnt make sense in your last post to me, I really cant tell what you were saying, nor did you point out how the atheists here are being extreme, but then you say Evolution(Darwinism) led to eugenics?Even after it was pointed out that eugenics is before evolution and unrelated to it despite that proponents were biologists or what they say.
Much of eugenics had to do with new understandings of hereditary genetics which only needed to know that children have parents traits.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@geodgereturns Even that much was known before evolution was known.
You then interestingly go on to claim that natural selection which is the foundation of evolution didnt even come to the fore til after eugenics was dying out as a popular issue.
Sounds like evolution wasnt needed by yet another example, even if somebody used it as an excuse for their reasoning in eugenics.
You even admit that whatever they said, it wasnt fit with reality.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@geodgereturns that time to consider ways to improve the human condition. It was at times in the US especially, also used by racists to keep whites and blacks from marrying, but evolution never considered one race superior, whatever the thoughts of the darwins were.
I researched and definitely the focus was generally on stopping the mental or the diseased genes in check. It was grounded in harsh practical science, but in the end did not affect the theories they were based on.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@geodgereturns I just finished the first clip and it seems you are giving these atheists credit for something they didnt say or believe.
Theres no extreme view of the atheists here. They never denied the eugenics came from the ideas of evolution, but that Hitlers view was warped, and it was. Theres no survival of the fittest in evolution, or superior species in any part of the theory of evolution.
Hitlers extreme eugenics wasnt even like much of what was being encouraged and enforced worldwide.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@geodgereturns Also, eugenics was around in some form before modern science or evolution.
No matter how many scientists were considering it, they didnt need Darwin, his family, or his theories to consider it.
The point of the speakers here is made with the example that if hitler is vegan, it doesnt mean all vegans are that bad also.
If somebody gets the idea of genetic engineering from evolution, that doesnt condemn evolution itself as the process itself has nothing to do with eugenics.
waltermh111 1 year ago
@geodgereturns also, somebody above made the point well that eugenics is the application of science to the human condition. You can believe that natural selection got us to where we are today, but that its not the only way it has to be. That we can improve things by engineering people like we have done animals for millenia.
Yes, artificial engineering was not a new concept back then. It was well established before evolution theory came around.
waltermh111 1 year ago
That prick Newton is responsible for everyone who has ever fallen to their death. You ignorant Newtonists are too dumb to see that.
DrZilty 1 year ago 39
The holocaust would not have been possible without centuries of anti-semitism created by Christian leaders. Stalin's abuse by his father and his education in the church probably and the oppression of the people by the monarch justified by the church caused his lack of value in human life. And the millions of people that died under Mao's rule died because of natural disasters and failed policies not commonly by direct order.
r29 1 year ago 2
If you are looking for a person to discuss creationism, I can recommend Ray Comfort/Kirk Cameron. They need to be exposed as charlatans and they are still too among the public.
drfoxcourt 1 year ago 2
Im just done with the whole post. And I just wanted to say: Well done
iamtheVitor 1 year ago
I've *never* encountered a creationist honest enough to watch a video, or series, that I've directed them to.
The best they've ever managed is to glance at the title, and then then spam me with a 10 comment argument that can be refuted with a single sentence.
On a side note, what's the longest nonsensical rant about evolution or atheism people have had aimed at them in the comments section? I think mine's about 12 comments.
threewiseman1 1 year ago
11:24.... Yeah, I made a video about Nephilimfree DMCAing himself.
"God, not another one..."
WeedGreenPowerRanger 1 year ago
Hahaha. Shit, it's global darkening right now! I'll post tomorrow if I'm still alive and there is a sun...
Parabol0086 1 year ago
@Parabol0086 Hah! Nice. ^_^
GodofCider 1 year ago
Creationists - they're just mean sheep <3
xxDickBonesxx 1 year ago
As mentioned, that's the great thing about making educational videos for YouTube. When you get tired of debating against the same nonsense over and over, just point them to the video collection. It's useful to have a handy list of the questions and topics discussed in the videos, so that you can quickly refer to the best ones.
People who really aren't after answers to their questins and unwilling to learn will simply not watch the videos, and you'll know they were not worth debating. Time saved.
blackwolf1200 1 year ago
@blackwolf1200 As a side effect it also shows them they're totally unoriginal and silly when they pose a that has been answered a thousand times before and made videos about... I bet they were thinking their question was the one to convert all the evil evilutionists ^,^
xxDickBonesxx 1 year ago
Whitney? That's a girl's name, sir.
aPretentiousFilmKid 1 year ago
@aPretentiousFilmKid *Nelson voice* Hah, hah!
iSOBigD 1 year ago
I'm a Jedi...
quinndiesel1977 1 year ago
Hitler was a Roman Catholic and had much support from the German Catholic church.
MirageScience 1 year ago
The Huff Po is a virtual rag. It has no integrity when it puts on anti-science fuckwits and purveyors or all kinds of woo.
They get away with something that no respectable news source could ever get away with. They are the left-wing version of World Net Daily.
And they deserve about as much respect
johnycannuk 1 year ago
The "Dark Side" of Darwinism? So atheists are fucking jedis now?!
shadowsguise 1 year ago 99
@shadowsguise Fuck yeah! *pulls out his light saber*
iSOBigD 1 year ago
@shadowsguise Sith.
Frosttty 1 year ago
@shadowsguise Comment of the week.
Jussimania 1 year ago
@shadowsguise
i fucking hope we are, means we win at the end of the movie doesnt it?
MitchofSmeg 1 year ago
@shadowsguise Come with me to Alderon!
leavesof3 1 year ago
@shadowsguise
No, they're actually Sith.
ABoffman 1 year ago
@shadowsguise If they are, then I'm GLAD I'm an atheist, cause Jedi are awesome!
orgixvi3 1 year ago
@orgixvi3
>"cause Jedi are awesome!"
Bah. Jedi are small time. Bene Gesserit Training + an Arisian Lens = All the good stuff without all this "Dark Side" Mumbo Jumbo.
LordCustos3 1 year ago
@shadowsguise - That's the funniest comment I've seen in a long time.
Well done good sir.
Leonis1989 1 year ago
@shadowsguise More like sith actually. :P
Sarkrum 1 year ago
@shadowsguise Yes, Darwin shoots lighting out of his fingertips at you for eternity after you die if you don't accept him as the messiah of science.
Sack42 1 year ago
@shadowsguise what do you mean "now"? we've been Jedis forever,george lucas tried to sue atheism but he couldn't find our leadership
ViralMessiah 1 year ago
@shadowsguise *waves hand in front of you* These are not the Atheists you're looking for.
TruZer0 1 year ago
@shadowsguise UNLIMITED POWER!
AcidLady85 1 year ago
@shadowsguise Yep! We have the force logic ability :D
HooahW2475 1 year ago
@shadowsguise
no way man, we're fucking siths!! I'mma firing my lighting!!!!
BLUEC0RE 1 year ago
@shadowsguise Hell yes!
harvellt 1 year ago
@shadowsguise Not all atheists believe in evolution. I hate to use the expression but... "it's a broad church" ;-)
colourmegone 1 year ago
@shadowsguise awesome! when do i get my light saber?
TheHomelessCripple 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@shadowsguise Yes we are. WEEeeeaaAAOO WoooOSH!
AcanLord 1 year ago
@AcanLord Why in the world was your comment flagges as spam? Apparently, you're promoting a product and only one person can tell.
lazyperfectionist1 1 year ago
@lazyperfectionist1 lulz
AcanLord 1 year ago
@shadowsguise I wanna be a jedi so I can use mind tricks on them.
EarlFaulk 1 year ago