for the rest of the world solar panels are the answer to hydrogen production, you can put them in deserted areas, in the sea, roof tops, anywhere.... we can fuel everything from sun energy...
I saw the first hydrogen bus in my hometown of Lund, Sweden yesterday. I got so happy =). The storage of hydrogen is somewhat a problem right now but i can really see this beeing the future.
it's a fact that this volcano they have going off right now will if continues to spew ash will drop the planets temp and global warming will be nothing but a footnote in history. THANK you Iceland for slaying the global warming dragon
The whole discussion of hydrogen being a fuel or not is irrelevant, because you first have to MAKE it. This process must always cost more energy than you can get out of the produced hydrogen. In practice, TWICE as much. So an electric vehicle is a much better idea, for short distances.
@freakshow1997 Yeah but if your source to produce electricity is practically free, then it brings down the cost of producing hydrogen down. I.E. oil at 100$ a barrel and Heat from the earth's core at 0$.
The truth about Hydrogen is we do not need shell oil to provide what we can make ourself for pennies,always trying to make a buck ,Shame on you Shell.
A whale is an aquatic cow. It's not more intelligent than a dog. If you disagree with whaling fine, but don't try to justify your arguements with silly statements.
Or show me a whale city, whale advanced mathematics(or any mathematics), examples of whale philosophy, the whale space program, a whale zoo, the whale abstract artist?
They are just organic machines, animals, beautiful to the eye, useful commercially, but that's it.
If you haven't noticed, they have flippers instead of hands. It is said, that if humans didn't have thumbs then they would be just another animal.
Intelligence is not an easy thing to measure, even amongst humans tests are considered to be unfair at times.
Before humans started killing whales commercially, humans and whales shared a co-existence and even cooperated with each other in some parts of the world.
There are noted incidents where dolphins have saved sailors for instance.
And if humans were just another animal, we wouldn't be having this conversation now would we?
Intelligence is actually a very easy thing to measure. Especially when you're talking about a vast gulf of intelligence(cognitive functioning), as compares a whale to a human.
Dolphins save swimmers, so, that's just triggered instinct, exactly what they would do within their own pod.
They also kill the young of other pods, that's instinct too, not murder, there are no dolphin judges or law.
Whale city? Whale mathematics? What the flying fuck. For the vast vast majority of human history, we had none of these things. This isn't a post about in the defense of whaledom, but this analogy, this... argument of yours is just so incredibly, incredibly stupid that I had to respond. And now I hate myself for replying to a youtube comment.
Merely indicators of intelligence. For most of our history, from when we became human, we've advanced in knowledge and tool use, building ever more complex societies, ever more advanced tools, and collating ever more advanced knowledge, that's the nature of intelligence.
Whales on the other hand, have done exactly the same thing for all that time.
That's the meaning of intelligence, not swimming around gobbling plankton.
Sensible points only please, or example of whale intelligence?
*Apes* and primates have been doing the exact same things they have been doing for tens of millions of years. If you're going to bring up this kind of ridiculous analogy, please, try to make your scales match. The equivalent of "whales" is not "humans". It's "monkies". And as we know, monkies are all dumb little fuckers. I think youtube comments are enough to prove *that*.
Exactly, although I suspect you overstate the case, whales, at least predatory ones are more like dogs, or wolves. Pack animals who's behaviour is controlled mostly by instinct, and with rudimentary learning ability.
This means, and hang on here, they are not very intelligent.
What the hell does this stupid debate have to do with Hydrogen?
Can I assume that you start screaming about the illegality of the Iraq war whenever you see a video that features America in some way, even if it's about their football?
Why the fuck are you then replying to months-old Youtube comments? Stop trolling and get back under your bridge, your tired "Republican" shtick won't be enough this time.
The only trolls around here are the one's who wanted to whine about a totally unrelated topic just because they saw the faintest connection. Even if it was months ago.
I can see it now. Once we switch to a hydrogen economy environmentalists with suddenly discover that water vapor is a more effective green house gas than CO2 and start crying about that all over again.
It's unfortunate the hydrogen is expensive and difficult to produce. It takes a lot of power to create it.
Also it's not really an ideal fuel, to compress it into a liquid you need to keep it very cold, so it has to be refrigerated, otherwise you can't hold any great amount of it, fridges are heavy. It amounts to driving around with a refrigerated bomb in your car. They are experimenting with metal lattices and such, but nothing commercial has arrived yet.
1. Iceland is putting up new geothermal electricity capacity just to fill the normal demand.
2. hydrogen fuel cars are a long ways from commercialization
3. conversion efficiencies (from electricity into hydrogen and back) are pathetic. The hydrogen economy, EVEN with 100% renewable electricity generation, is a bad idea.
4. hydrogen is thus only an energy CARRIER, implying you have to MAKEit first, in which case you must invest at least as much energy as it yields when combusted.
Direct to electricity is better than converting the geothermal energy to hydrogen production, shipping the hydrogen, then converting hydrogen back into electricity to turn the motor (hydrogen fuel cell) or combustion (hydrogen internal combustion engine). There are too many other problems with using hydrogen as a fuel. Electricity is the way forward for vehicles, all we need now is environmentally friendly batteries and copper-free motors (since we are running out of copper)
You ever heard of synthetics? Consider this, if hydrogen were used as a fuel source, it would eventually cause a glut in the gasoline market (which if derived from oil) and the price of oil would drop proportionally. Supply and demand.
Hydrogen fuel cells have no moving parts. The only part that moves in a fuel-cell electric car are the electric motors on the wheels, and it takes a miniscule amount of lubrication to keep those working. You can use just dry silicon lubricant
Highly flammable gas that bonds with oxygen and forms water. Two thirds of all water is made out of hydrogen.
Separating hydrogen out of water requires electricity but combining it with oxygen to make water creates the same amount of electricity back.
A fuel cell car (hydrogen car) is basically an electric car that uses hydrogen as a fuel. The proses does not pollute unless the method of creating the electricity in the beginning polluted. Icelandic electricity happens to be green.
It's amazing to me how this tiny population of 300,000 can thrive on this barren frozen rock. These Nordics ingeniusly harness what natural resources they have in a high-tech method to enrich their society.
I just hope they don't make the sure-fatal error of importing the Third World(with their Third World ways) to extinguish their technology and culture, while at the same time DEMANDING their rights from their "adopted" country. Most Scandinavian countries are going down as a result of this.
With syntetic bio friendfly polymeres now edging forward Oils days will be singifigantly numbered. The Turbine engins for heavy trucks will replace the stinking loud deizel engins, But the problem with this is the current wealth and domination by 10 people who control oil WW, They will do what they have done in the past, Kill it or supress the development to the point its too expensive, Imagin each home independant with its own power supply?
this is an old video cause they already have all their city buses running on hydrogen and have hydrogen stations running... too bad how rich the USA is that the politicians are bought off we could change over in less than a year if we really wanted to
In south america, some countries use natural gas. They adapt all cars with meter and tank. I works well and saves money. If you think politicians are corupt hear, you should see how badly corrupt they are down there.
reverse electrolysis is like a fuel cell. Hydrogen & Oxygen bond together to make water. Electricity is added to water to break the bond (electrolysis), and electricity is generated by bonding them back together. The oxygen it bonds with in the hydrogen fuel cell comes from the air.
"what is the reverse electrolysis machine powered by?"
That's the key point. For hydrogen systems to be part of the solution and not part of the problem, you need electricity from "clean" energy, such as nuclear, solar, geothermal, wind, or hydro
In Iceland, the geothermal energy they showed at the start is a source of heat/steam that drives turbines, and produces clean electricity. They suggested that they could use that geothermal power to ship liquid hydrogen around, but the economics is ??
Tiny population? Icelanders understand how to use birth control... duh. There should be mandatory cutting the tubes for those in 2nd and third world nations. There are too many people in the developing world and they are using too many resources and devastating the forests of the Equator.
Whites can be blue with sadness, rosey in blush, green with envy, red in anger, yellow in jaudice, purple with passion, orange with joy, and some even get black eyes and brown buises. White is every color. White is LIGHT. LIGHT is the color White because it is every color reflected. WHITE is LIGHT and RIGHT and BEAUTIFUL. May Gracious God Bless ISLAND/ICELAND.
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God is RACIST. He bless some races with light and curses others with marks. Nature and Darwin's Theories of Natural Selection and Evolution point to the reality of nature's preference for some races over other races. The strong will survive and the weak will perish. The TRUTH will set you free.
Hydrogen ecomomy, is iceland giong this way because they are isolated, making imprtation expensive. Isn't it wiered, given how readily available geothermal rafmagn (icelandic for electrcity, literally amber-power) is, that they have no electric transport of any kind, not even electric railed traction. Really, they might be converting the bus fleet, but why don't they have trams? Powered directly from the power station via overhead wires, or ground level power supply.
Whites can be blue with sadness, rosey in blush, green with envy, red in anger, yellow in jaudice, purple with passion, orange with joy, and some even get black eyes and brown buises. White is every color. White is LIGHT. LIGHT is the color White because it is every color reflected. WHITE is LIGHT and RIGHT and BEAUTIFUL. May Gracious God Bless ISLAND/ICELAND.
Whites can be blue with sadness, rosey in blush, green with envy, red in anger, yellow in jaudice, purple with passion, orange with joy, and some even get black eyes and brown buises. White is every color. White is LIGHT. LIGHT is the color White because it is every color reflected. WHITE is LIGHT and RIGHT and BEAUTIFUL. May Gracious God Bless ISLAND/ICELAND.
Whites can be blue with sadness, rosey in blush, green with envy, red in anger, yellow in jaudice, purple with passion, orange with joy, and some even get black eyes and brown buises. White is every color. White is LIGHT. LIGHT is the color White because it is every color reflected. WHITE is LIGHT and RIGHT and BEAUTIFUL. May Gracious God Bless ISLAND/ICELAND.
What is up with the offensive comment? All it does is shows your HATE for someone else's expression of gratitude toward a culture's achievements. You have assumed what my race is by your ignorant comment. This makes you a racist at best, and a hater for certain. Are you feeling guilty for your own achievements, historical background or family heritage? Pot-shots with fancy words doesn't increase your intelligence, just your sophistication level of HATE.
It's not a culture achievement but a human achievement. I get a little defensive when people point out human differences. Were all in this world together, black, white, Jew, Christian, male, female, fat, skinny, young, old or any other difference you can come up with.
If we don't stop killing each other and become a class one society, then the ET's will never land in front of the U.N. and time will run out for us, because it's just a matter of time for the big one shows up on our heavenly sky porch to extinct us to busy killing bigots.
Put your Gods aside and put humanity first, then you'll find your God.
Hydrogen, A GAS CREATED BY GOD GENIUS. And who cares if it were invented by whites? Did you notice blacks have been living without the help of whites and DESPITE THEIR HELP for hundreds of years while opinion-bashers like you babble about whites creating what already existed since the creation of the universe?
What is up with the offensive comment? All it does is shows your HATE for someone else's expression of gratitude toward a culture's achievements. You have assumed what my race is by your ignorant comment. This makes you a racist at best, and a hater for certain. Are you feeling guilty for your own achievements, historical background or family heritage? Pot-shots with fancy words doesn't increase your intelligence, just your sophistication level of HATE.
What is up with the offensive comment? All it does is shows your HATE for someone else's expression of gratitude toward a culture's achievements. You have assumed what my race is by your ignorant comment. This makes you a racist at best, and a hater for certain. Are you feeling guilty for your own achievements, historical background or family heritage? Pot-shots with fancy words doesn't increase your intelligence, just your sophistication level of HATE.
Hydrogen, A GAS CREATED BY GOD GENIUS. And who cares if it were invented by whites? Did you notice blacks have been living without the help of whites and DESPITE THEIR HELP for hundreds of years while opinion-bashers like you babble about whites creating what already existed since the creation of the universe?
What is up with the offensive comment? All it does is shows your HATE for someone else's expression of gratitude toward a culture's achievements. You have assumed what my race is by your ignorant comment. This makes you a racist at best, and a hater for certain. Are you feeling guilty for your own achievements, historical background or family heritage? Pot-shots with fancy words doesn't increase your intelligence, just your sophistication level of HATE.
Show me one inventions your knuckle-dragging aRYAN supremacist friends came up with. Just one. There is no such thing as race. There are no genetic tests that can determine race because it does not exist. It's a Hitler concept.
Actually, there's a reason why no one wants to invade Iceland; Iceland made a negotiation with a lot of countries, including America, that if Iceland would get attacked, the countries would come and help them out. A very efficient way of defense, since they don't even need an army ^_^"
Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich has the only full-tilt plan to get the U.S.A. off the Middle East energy demand.
He has a plan to put the big oil companies' subsidies to use in developing alt energy and creating "Green Jobs" in the fields of Solar, Geothermal, Wind and hydro-powers.
Let's vote some sense into office, Dennis Kucinich for President!
Could you imagine what it would be like if we had taken care of the problem when we first herd about it? If we had come together for a common goal and fixed this problem who would have gotten heart? Even if you don't believe in Global warming it still has benefits.
Shedding light on the corporate complicity in the U.S. to hide alternative energy sources like Hydrogen, Wind, Solar, Geothermal etc etc. They keep us hooked on the juice, like a junkie.
They killed the electric in 1890 and again in 1996, a hundred years apart, still the same motive, greed and power over the masses.
Electrolysis is not that efficient. They would have been better off used it to make electricity and heat for their buildings. The electricity can be used to charge electric cars. Motors are four times more efficient than internal combustion engines. And much more reliable also.
Also, they are using a fuel cell in reverse to make hydrogen. That is also pretty efficient. But the hydrogen still needs to be compressed and cooled to produce liquid hydrogen. This process is pretty energy-intensive.
I live in Washington State. We are at 75% renewable. We get a good base load from hydro and soon from geothermal. Our wind farms are located in areas where the wind blows most of the time so that energy production is pretty constant. We get about 70% of the sun that Los Angeles gets.
watch the documentary Who Killed the Electric Car. Very interesting, shows how a very functional and superior electric car was well liked by everyone, then, suddenly destroyed and swept under the rug by big business and oil companies. Corruption is what keeps us dependent on oil, not technology.
FACT:In the US, over 50% of the electricity in the grid comes from coal. COAL. That isn't going to change dramatically unless solar price drops A LOT. Wind can help, but frankly, there isn't enough of it.
FACT:True, consumers and citizens can help drive solar prices down, but supporting electric cars in place of fuel cells isn't a way to do it.
FACT Unless your method of electrical generation plus transmission beats fuel cells (60-90% efficiency), fuel cells will always beat the electric car.
Your facts aren't wrong, but your conclusions are based on some heavy assumptions.
Fuel cells do not rely on hydrogen, necessarily. They can be just as efficient (60-90+%) on liquid alcohol or other fuels. Hydrogen advantage is that is is CARBON-FREE. No CO2. No increased global warming. So long as it is produced by a carbon-free source. Plus, even if the FC runs on H2, who says it has to be liquefied -- the GM Sequel drove over 300 miles on non-liquefied H2.
It takes a lot of energy to compress the H2 to 10,000 psi (700bar). And they are working on 20,000 psi. Filling a scuba tank to 3,000 psi is dangerous. Do you think you will be able to do a self-serve H2 station at 20K psi?
Hydrogen will not necessarily need to be transported. If the technology of electrolysis can be made more efficient, you will see filling stations using electrolysis to covert water to hydrogen. Problem solved.
I agree with you about the distribution of non-fossil sources. Hopefully the electrolysis will be powered by those sources -- specific for the given region of the country.
Yes.... and electrolysis uses electricity which comes from the GRID. "The grid (in US) is over 50% fossil fuels." IE hydrogen cars in US = global warming!
Hydrogen system needs to be compared with batteries because in the end, the fuel cell makes electricity to power an electric motor.
So, greening the grid is essential, whether we drive electric cars or fuel cell cars. Then, for long-range driving ability, it looks like fuel cells will still be the best option.
PS While it does take energy to vaporize liquid hydrogen, that's a misleading statement. At room temperature, the liquid H2 will boil spontaneously, decreasing the room temp very slightly as it boils. There's no appreciable energy loss there.
Things have changed a lot from the EV1. It used lead-acid and later NiMH. Now there are Li-Ion batteries that are even lighter and have even more capacity. Even quick-charge Li-Ion batteries are out. Long range is there with EV's and PHEVs.
The hydrogen production station in Iceland is solar powered. The rest of this documentary shows how it works. The host even interviews the guy who invented the specialized solar panels the hydrogen station uses.
That's very interesting. Got a link to the full vid, or at least the name of the documentary? I wouldn't have thought Iceland would be so good with solar. Perhaps they use that whenever they can, and supplement it from the grid, which is geothermal, anyway.
It's time for solar panels on every house, and a hydrogen production facility and compressor tanks setup in every home garage, and regular gas stations. Any excess solar energy can be fed back into the system for credits!
The documentary is called Scientific American Frontiers. You can stream the episode "Hydrogen Hopes" from the PBS website. However I must make a correction after watching it again. The hydrogen stations aren't powered by solar, my bad. I must have got up to get a drink during the transition ;). Not a bad idea though.
Don't you think it's polluting to transport oil from middle-east to USA and western Europe with all these big tankers that consume a lot and pollute the environment.
Would it be less polluting to create electricity for cars locally. I doubt it.
It depends on the method of producing the electricity.
Actually, extracting, transporting, and refining oil into gasoline is a pretty efficient process (the oil giants aren't dummies. They have extremely efficient processes to max their profits).
But when gas burns in our cars, we only get 25% of the energy back. That's where the pollution, losses, and costs come from!
You are exactly right. 35% goes to heating your radiator water, 35% goes to heat the air coming out of your tailpipe and 5% goes to friction. The remaining 20% is mechanical energy that turns your wheels.
Why not power the electric motor from a battery charged by the grid? (the same place that the hydrogen is getting it from) Both solutions desparately need the greening of the grid.
for the rest of the world solar panels are the answer to hydrogen production, you can put them in deserted areas, in the sea, roof tops, anywhere.... we can fuel everything from sun energy...
unomnacajit111 2 months ago
Ah, if only the rest of the world could aspire to be like the Scandinavian countries...
EVLWNS 8 months ago
I saw the first hydrogen bus in my hometown of Lund, Sweden yesterday. I got so happy =). The storage of hydrogen is somewhat a problem right now but i can really see this beeing the future.
moijn0002 1 year ago
it's a fact that this volcano they have going off right now will if continues to spew ash will drop the planets temp and global warming will be nothing but a footnote in history. THANK you Iceland for slaying the global warming dragon
bluediamond2077 1 year ago
humans suck
pitifulpotato 1 year ago 6
The whole discussion of hydrogen being a fuel or not is irrelevant, because you first have to MAKE it. This process must always cost more energy than you can get out of the produced hydrogen. In practice, TWICE as much. So an electric vehicle is a much better idea, for short distances.
freakshow1997 1 year ago
@freakshow1997 Fuel cells have a definate advantage over electric cells as you can produce several times more energy per unit of weight.
gingernutbumchin 1 year ago
@freakshow1997 Yeah but if your source to produce electricity is practically free, then it brings down the cost of producing hydrogen down. I.E. oil at 100$ a barrel and Heat from the earth's core at 0$.
boumar19721972 4 months ago
yeah Alan Alda!!! HE should of won an oscar for his role in "the aviator",... he was brillant!!!
bigrobnz 1 year ago
iceland is the is the greenest nation in the world,
not becouse of the colaps, but becouse the got
hot steam from earth to create hydrogen
mrBadromance1 2 years ago
Hydrogen Generator an Delivery System are currently in use to improve vehiclse MPG.
Jandre680 2 years ago
The truth about Hydrogen is we do not need shell oil to provide what we can make ourself for pennies,always trying to make a buck ,Shame on you Shell.
TheOneTruthSeeker1 2 years ago
*_* Love Iceland
Zealotuss 2 years ago 3
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Slapmachine 2 years ago
I can't imagine my car running with lava.
GameReviewsAreBad 2 years ago
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Why does Iceland continue to kill whales?
-They do it in a pathetic attempt to hold onto the past so that they can continue to identify with their bloody legacy of whaling
-It is a blood sport to them and a way of indulging in the sadistic pleasure of killing whales and thumbing their noses at other nations.
-Killing whales is the pursuit of little people with small minds with a lust to destroy creatures more intelligent and more beautiful than themselves.
tundrasheep 2 years ago
A whale is an aquatic cow. It's not more intelligent than a dog. If you disagree with whaling fine, but don't try to justify your arguements with silly statements.
Or show me a whale city, whale advanced mathematics(or any mathematics), examples of whale philosophy, the whale space program, a whale zoo, the whale abstract artist?
They are just organic machines, animals, beautiful to the eye, useful commercially, but that's it.
ianclivewright 2 years ago
I bet that is how you rate women too.
tundrasheep 2 years ago
Silly rebutal, you can't eat women, on the other hand?
ianclivewright 2 years ago
Is English your mother language ? It doesn't seem to be, since you write incomplete sentences. Not the mark of high intelligence I must say.
Do you want an example of whale intelligence? Well here is an example:
/watch?v=rBF9cDBUakA
Oh, in case you don't know how. Just copy / paste the above behind the youtube address.
Enjoy :)
tundrasheep 2 years ago
This is an example of low intelligence, equivelant to wolf relays to bring down prey, or a fox crippling a rabbit to teach hunting to cubs.
Mainly instinct with a small amount of learning added, but basically an inflexible system, requiring limited cognitive ability.
Now if they wrote it down, and then passed on the information in an abstract way, that would be intelligence.
You see, you cannot make up your own definition of "high intelligence", and then expect the world to follow, can you?
ianclivewright 2 years ago
If you haven't noticed, they have flippers instead of hands. It is said, that if humans didn't have thumbs then they would be just another animal.
Intelligence is not an easy thing to measure, even amongst humans tests are considered to be unfair at times.
Before humans started killing whales commercially, humans and whales shared a co-existence and even cooperated with each other in some parts of the world.
There are noted incidents where dolphins have saved sailors for instance.
tundrasheep 2 years ago
And if humans were just another animal, we wouldn't be having this conversation now would we?
Intelligence is actually a very easy thing to measure. Especially when you're talking about a vast gulf of intelligence(cognitive functioning), as compares a whale to a human.
Dolphins save swimmers, so, that's just triggered instinct, exactly what they would do within their own pod.
They also kill the young of other pods, that's instinct too, not murder, there are no dolphin judges or law.
ianclivewright 2 years ago
Whale city? Whale mathematics? What the flying fuck. For the vast vast majority of human history, we had none of these things. This isn't a post about in the defense of whaledom, but this analogy, this... argument of yours is just so incredibly, incredibly stupid that I had to respond. And now I hate myself for replying to a youtube comment.
Naeddyr 2 years ago
Merely indicators of intelligence. For most of our history, from when we became human, we've advanced in knowledge and tool use, building ever more complex societies, ever more advanced tools, and collating ever more advanced knowledge, that's the nature of intelligence.
Whales on the other hand, have done exactly the same thing for all that time.
That's the meaning of intelligence, not swimming around gobbling plankton.
Sensible points only please, or example of whale intelligence?
ianclivewright 2 years ago
*Apes* and primates have been doing the exact same things they have been doing for tens of millions of years. If you're going to bring up this kind of ridiculous analogy, please, try to make your scales match. The equivalent of "whales" is not "humans". It's "monkies". And as we know, monkies are all dumb little fuckers. I think youtube comments are enough to prove *that*.
Naeddyr 2 years ago
Exactly, although I suspect you overstate the case, whales, at least predatory ones are more like dogs, or wolves. Pack animals who's behaviour is controlled mostly by instinct, and with rudimentary learning ability.
This means, and hang on here, they are not very intelligent.
So, vegetarian whale = equatic cow
carnivorous whale = equatic dog
So, I repeat, they are not intelligent.
ianclivewright 2 years ago
Oh for crying out...
What the hell does this stupid debate have to do with Hydrogen?
Can I assume that you start screaming about the illegality of the Iraq war whenever you see a video that features America in some way, even if it's about their football?
Choken1 2 years ago
Why the fuck are you then replying to months-old Youtube comments? Stop trolling and get back under your bridge, your tired "Republican" shtick won't be enough this time.
Naeddyr 2 years ago
The only trolls around here are the one's who wanted to whine about a totally unrelated topic just because they saw the faintest connection. Even if it was months ago.
Choken1 2 years ago
they should spend money on getting hydrogen powered vehicles on the road instead spending money on making shit hollywood movies
lachie10 2 years ago
You are talking about 2 different group of spender here, don't mix things up.
OcuriaOne 2 years ago
Actually, he says actually about 7 times, actually!!!
AvmanM 2 years ago
I can see it now. Once we switch to a hydrogen economy environmentalists with suddenly discover that water vapor is a more effective green house gas than CO2 and start crying about that all over again.
auto9898 2 years ago
It's unfortunate the hydrogen is expensive and difficult to produce. It takes a lot of power to create it.
Also it's not really an ideal fuel, to compress it into a liquid you need to keep it very cold, so it has to be refrigerated, otherwise you can't hold any great amount of it, fridges are heavy. It amounts to driving around with a refrigerated bomb in your car. They are experimenting with metal lattices and such, but nothing commercial has arrived yet.
Simply, hydrogen isn't practical..
ianclivewright 2 years ago
1. Iceland is putting up new geothermal electricity capacity just to fill the normal demand.
2. hydrogen fuel cars are a long ways from commercialization
3. conversion efficiencies (from electricity into hydrogen and back) are pathetic. The hydrogen economy, EVEN with 100% renewable electricity generation, is a bad idea.
4. hydrogen is thus only an energy CARRIER, implying you have to MAKEit first, in which case you must invest at least as much energy as it yields when combusted.
freakshow1997 2 years ago
Direct to electricity is better than converting the geothermal energy to hydrogen production, shipping the hydrogen, then converting hydrogen back into electricity to turn the motor (hydrogen fuel cell) or combustion (hydrogen internal combustion engine). There are too many other problems with using hydrogen as a fuel. Electricity is the way forward for vehicles, all we need now is environmentally friendly batteries and copper-free motors (since we are running out of copper)
jimmimak 2 years ago
Guess this was before they went bankrupt as a country.
ianclivewright 2 years ago 2
Shame hydrogen power doesn't go down well with the worlds corrupt governments. Cough*USA
defaye 3 years ago
Besides some qualms about the efficiency of such programs (personally I think we should just go full electric) I say go for it!
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saveurhomeplease 3 years ago
If you dont depend on oil hpw do you lubbicate the engine?
DAMODUNNE 3 years ago
You ever heard of synthetics? Consider this, if hydrogen were used as a fuel source, it would eventually cause a glut in the gasoline market (which if derived from oil) and the price of oil would drop proportionally. Supply and demand.
magifesq 3 years ago
Hydrogen fuel cells have no moving parts. The only part that moves in a fuel-cell electric car are the electric motors on the wheels, and it takes a miniscule amount of lubrication to keep those working. You can use just dry silicon lubricant
R3DF4C710N 2 years ago
what's water?
smnk3 3 years ago
That's the exchange rate of molecules of Hydrogen and oxygen - 2:1 lol.
magifesq 3 years ago
the host is from MASH and couple other movies
oifydude 3 years ago
Alan Alda (Hawkeye Pierce)
simbared 3 years ago
What's hydrogen
smnk3 3 years ago
Highly flammable gas that bonds with oxygen and forms water. Two thirds of all water is made out of hydrogen.
Separating hydrogen out of water requires electricity but combining it with oxygen to make water creates the same amount of electricity back.
A fuel cell car (hydrogen car) is basically an electric car that uses hydrogen as a fuel. The proses does not pollute unless the method of creating the electricity in the beginning polluted. Icelandic electricity happens to be green.
Choken1 3 years ago
That's fucking BRILLIANT! You guys should totally do that... GO iceland!
Funk0001 3 years ago
ísland er svo besta
stefan92brynjarsson 3 years ago
It's amazing to me how this tiny population of 300,000 can thrive on this barren frozen rock. These Nordics ingeniusly harness what natural resources they have in a high-tech method to enrich their society.
I just hope they don't make the sure-fatal error of importing the Third World(with their Third World ways) to extinguish their technology and culture, while at the same time DEMANDING their rights from their "adopted" country. Most Scandinavian countries are going down as a result of this.
dale1966gto 3 years ago
Nah, Don't worry. We Icelanders are far more xenophobic then our Scandinavian cousins :P
jotungafadur 2 years ago
It's good to know that at least some of you have some sense. Look at what's happened to your Scandinavian cousins.
In less than 20 years Sweden will be under Sharia law! Iceland would go down like a rock if the Muslims ever got a foothold there.
dale1966gto 2 years ago
Irrelevant, racist scaremongering.
Camerameister 2 years ago
What race is National Socialism again, sorry my mistake, Islam?
Enjoy grovelling to your Sultan, histories never happened to you, it needs all my Christian charity to hope that it never does.
ianclivewright 2 years ago
So, BNP for you then?
Camerameister 2 years ago
As in British National Party, or that French bank?
How do you derive that from some comments on the physical problems of storing hydrogen?
ianclivewright 2 years ago
In reference to your earlier comment. The page hasn't formatted properly again.
Actually, I agree with you: hydrogen is not a practical alternative.
Camerameister 2 years ago
With syntetic bio friendfly polymeres now edging forward Oils days will be singifigantly numbered. The Turbine engins for heavy trucks will replace the stinking loud deizel engins, But the problem with this is the current wealth and domination by 10 people who control oil WW, They will do what they have done in the past, Kill it or supress the development to the point its too expensive, Imagin each home independant with its own power supply?
cycimian 3 years ago
ÍSLAND ROKKAR!!!
uberzombie01 3 years ago
how old is this vid?
we are over 300k now ^^
ingzuz 3 years ago
The Icelandic guy looks like the same guy in an interview with Max Keiser saying that Iceland could borrow indefinitely...
philsgivemechills 3 years ago 2
is this narrated by the dude from MASH? wtf. :D
ar2022 3 years ago
You are right... But maybe there will be a globalized plan to take over iceland now..
turbofritz2 3 years ago
Is that Alan Alda doing the talking?
austinlyle0 3 years ago
Definitely Alan Alda.
103617 3 years ago
Íslandi er mjög falleg!!!!!!!!!!!!
danmark85 3 years ago
Alan Alda?
Williamsfan 3 years ago
this is an old video cause they already have all their city buses running on hydrogen and have hydrogen stations running... too bad how rich the USA is that the politicians are bought off we could change over in less than a year if we really wanted to
DADDYKEV45 3 years ago 12
In south america, some countries use natural gas. They adapt all cars with meter and tank. I works well and saves money. If you think politicians are corupt hear, you should see how badly corrupt they are down there.
lon9i9 3 years ago
"the new world order" is responsible.
they wont let us have the cheap energy.
learn about the
"new world order" for F@#K sakes
.
spanishaustralian 3 years ago
This is very interesting. I am very glad i came across this video, my knowledge on this subject is just rapidly increasing. Thank you.
miwil29 3 years ago
hydroge....makes sense,after all hydrogen POWERS the sun.....
megapraimturvo 3 years ago 2
so true....
megapraimturvo 3 years ago
Burning hydrogen gives man access to nuclear fusion! Clean, cheap, safe power.
JonThm 3 years ago
but what is the reverse electrolysis machine powered by?
elvenmidget 3 years ago
reverse electrolysis is like a fuel cell. Hydrogen & Oxygen bond together to make water. Electricity is added to water to break the bond (electrolysis), and electricity is generated by bonding them back together. The oxygen it bonds with in the hydrogen fuel cell comes from the air.
Hope that somewhat makes sense.
IncinerationKlown 3 years ago
"what is the reverse electrolysis machine powered by?"
That's the key point. For hydrogen systems to be part of the solution and not part of the problem, you need electricity from "clean" energy, such as nuclear, solar, geothermal, wind, or hydro
In Iceland, the geothermal energy they showed at the start is a source of heat/steam that drives turbines, and produces clean electricity. They suggested that they could use that geothermal power to ship liquid hydrogen around, but the economics is ??
lastnymleft 3 years ago
Tiny population? Icelanders understand how to use birth control... duh. There should be mandatory cutting the tubes for those in 2nd and third world nations. There are too many people in the developing world and they are using too many resources and devastating the forests of the Equator.
BraveNoble 3 years ago
muy bien muy bien,les doy un diez
hansvonkluga 3 years ago
Wow, Alan Alda! That was a suprise!
Retiarysword 3 years ago
ICELAND / ISLAND is the most beautiful land of fire and ice. God's country.
BraveNoble 3 years ago
Iceland is made up mostly of Christians :)
Not sure if they are the saved kind though.
kyleain 3 years ago
What the hell does Christianity have to do with it?
icicicles 3 years ago
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Whites can be blue with sadness, rosey in blush, green with envy, red in anger, yellow in jaudice, purple with passion, orange with joy, and some even get black eyes and brown buises. White is every color. White is LIGHT. LIGHT is the color White because it is every color reflected. WHITE is LIGHT and RIGHT and BEAUTIFUL. May Gracious God Bless ISLAND/ICELAND.
BraveNoble 3 years ago
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Hydrogen...Another invention created by WHITES. No surprise here... good job ICELAND.
BraveNoble 3 years ago
Don't be so narrow minded.
Those with brilliant ideas are not thinking about them selves but how to help humanity.
icicicles 3 years ago
God does bless racists, but not because they deserve it; He won't bless them forever.
kyleain 3 years ago
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God is RACIST. He bless some races with light and curses others with marks. Nature and Darwin's Theories of Natural Selection and Evolution point to the reality of nature's preference for some races over other races. The strong will survive and the weak will perish. The TRUTH will set you free.
BraveNoble 3 years ago
Where did you get this video?? I want to reference it for a paper !'m writing..
Reazer09 3 years ago
Hydrogen ecomomy, is iceland giong this way because they are isolated, making imprtation expensive. Isn't it wiered, given how readily available geothermal rafmagn (icelandic for electrcity, literally amber-power) is, that they have no electric transport of any kind, not even electric railed traction. Really, they might be converting the bus fleet, but why don't they have trams? Powered directly from the power station via overhead wires, or ground level power supply.
Myrtone 3 years ago
Solar panels are worthless
klingasn 3 years ago
beautiful country
youboob1989 3 years ago
Water + Solar/ Magnet drive hybrid will be the future.
helzefeld 3 years ago
Great vision...Hope every country adds this to its political agenda and pursue it a steadfast manner.
getkat 4 years ago 2
lm from iceland;)
sunnevaa25 4 years ago
Who is the guy talking in this video? His voice sounds really familiar.
tarman11 4 years ago
Alan Alda
veganopolis 4 years ago 2
Sounds like Alan Alda of M.A.S.H. fame to me.
jackherbon 4 years ago
He played Hawkeye in the TV show, M*A*S*H, and was also in a episode of the West Wing.
zorksloss 4 years ago
He sounds like Carl Sagan
MeditationMusic5 4 years ago
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Another invention created by WHITES. No surprise here... good job ICELAND.
BraveNoble 4 years ago
haha.
loekust 4 years ago
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BraveNoble 3 years ago
Could you be more random?:p
mostlyBS 3 years ago
White supremacist knuckle draggers like you will burn in hell to a nice black crisp and will endure the pain for all eternity.
milofonbil 3 years ago
races don't exist... And no one is white... I'd say they're pink.
millos71 4 years ago 6
what is your point???
sevakili 4 years ago
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BraveNoble 3 years ago
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BraveNoble 3 years ago
White supremacist knuckle draggers like you will burn in hell to a nice black crisp and will endure the pain for all eternity.
milofonbil 3 years ago
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BraveNoble 3 years ago
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BraveNoble 3 years ago
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BraveNoble 3 years ago
There is no light in vanity. Be a part of the solutions not a part of the problem. Don't become a narcissistic moron.
icicicles 3 years ago
What is up with the offensive comment? All it does is shows your HATE for someone else's expression of gratitude toward a culture's achievements. You have assumed what my race is by your ignorant comment. This makes you a racist at best, and a hater for certain. Are you feeling guilty for your own achievements, historical background or family heritage? Pot-shots with fancy words doesn't increase your intelligence, just your sophistication level of HATE.
BraveNoble 3 years ago
It's not a culture achievement but a human achievement. I get a little defensive when people point out human differences. Were all in this world together, black, white, Jew, Christian, male, female, fat, skinny, young, old or any other difference you can come up with.
icicicles 3 years ago
If we don't stop killing each other and become a class one society, then the ET's will never land in front of the U.N. and time will run out for us, because it's just a matter of time for the big one shows up on our heavenly sky porch to extinct us to busy killing bigots.
Put your Gods aside and put humanity first, then you'll find your God.
icicicles 3 years ago
Hydrogen, A GAS CREATED BY GOD GENIUS. And who cares if it were invented by whites? Did you notice blacks have been living without the help of whites and DESPITE THEIR HELP for hundreds of years while opinion-bashers like you babble about whites creating what already existed since the creation of the universe?
kyleain 3 years ago
What is up with the offensive comment? All it does is shows your HATE for someone else's expression of gratitude toward a culture's achievements. You have assumed what my race is by your ignorant comment. This makes you a racist at best, and a hater for certain. Are you feeling guilty for your own achievements, historical background or family heritage? Pot-shots with fancy words doesn't increase your intelligence, just your sophistication level of HATE.
BraveNoble 3 years ago
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What is up with the offensive comment? All it does is shows your HATE for someone else's expression of gratitude toward a culture's achievements. You have assumed what my race is by your ignorant comment. This makes you a racist at best, and a hater for certain. Are you feeling guilty for your own achievements, historical background or family heritage? Pot-shots with fancy words doesn't increase your intelligence, just your sophistication level of HATE.
BraveNoble 3 years ago
Hydrogen, A GAS CREATED BY GOD GENIUS. And who cares if it were invented by whites? Did you notice blacks have been living without the help of whites and DESPITE THEIR HELP for hundreds of years while opinion-bashers like you babble about whites creating what already existed since the creation of the universe?
kyleain 3 years ago
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What is up with the offensive comment? All it does is shows your HATE for someone else's expression of gratitude toward a culture's achievements. You have assumed what my race is by your ignorant comment. This makes you a racist at best, and a hater for certain. Are you feeling guilty for your own achievements, historical background or family heritage? Pot-shots with fancy words doesn't increase your intelligence, just your sophistication level of HATE.
BraveNoble 3 years ago
Show me one inventions your knuckle-dragging aRYAN supremacist friends came up with. Just one. There is no such thing as race. There are no genetic tests that can determine race because it does not exist. It's a Hitler concept.
milofonbil 3 years ago
Russian is allready praticeng how invade iceland plus the Nato ore the U.S base it's there for 50 year's are gone
Brian23 4 years ago
gawd no seems to notice how easy this country would be to invade.
123123niftyshiftyaaa 4 years ago
The British invaded and basically conquered iceland in 1940, with no losses. is that easy enough?
DeaconSwayne 4 years ago
Actually, there's a reason why no one wants to invade Iceland; Iceland made a negotiation with a lot of countries, including America, that if Iceland would get attacked, the countries would come and help them out. A very efficient way of defense, since they don't even need an army ^_^"
TheArin 4 years ago
thats right. im from there.
bonsilitli 4 years ago
Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich has the only full-tilt plan to get the U.S.A. off the Middle East energy demand.
He has a plan to put the big oil companies' subsidies to use in developing alt energy and creating "Green Jobs" in the fields of Solar, Geothermal, Wind and hydro-powers.
Let's vote some sense into office, Dennis Kucinich for President!
Dutchoven08 4 years ago
Maybe 2012, that quitter.
BodyHeadBanger 4 years ago
Could you imagine what it would be like if we had taken care of the problem when we first herd about it? If we had come together for a common goal and fixed this problem who would have gotten heart? Even if you don't believe in Global warming it still has benefits.
zorksloss 4 years ago 3
Shedding light on the corporate complicity in the U.S. to hide alternative energy sources like Hydrogen, Wind, Solar, Geothermal etc etc. They keep us hooked on the juice, like a junkie.
They killed the electric in 1890 and again in 1996, a hundred years apart, still the same motive, greed and power over the masses.
Dutchoven08 4 years ago
Iceland is so beautiful!!!!!!
wuhitler 4 years ago 7
As long you don't use hydrogen to power your whale hunting fleet! You got my thumbs up!
uni000ver000sal 4 years ago
This will be catchy in the USA as most yankees are full of hot air too!
uni000ver000sal 4 years ago
Fara Ísland!
PacRowSF 4 years ago
Want to knkow the truth on hydrogen??? Click on my name and check out some videos I found on youtube...watch Nicola Tesla
SeanVoge 4 years ago
wow iceland is really ahead of all of the other countryes...hope everybody gets sunburned except iceland from global worming!
odinncool 4 years ago
shut up mr anoyng
beggipoon 4 years ago
its great to see that they are using geo thermal energy to power their electrolises to make hydrogen i like that idea..:) very good
Potatogunman 4 years ago
Electrolysis is not that efficient. They would have been better off used it to make electricity and heat for their buildings. The electricity can be used to charge electric cars. Motors are four times more efficient than internal combustion engines. And much more reliable also.
milofonbil 4 years ago
Their homes and buildings heated by geothermal heat. Just thought you would like to know
Don26 4 years ago
Actually, you are right. Thanks.
Also, they are using a fuel cell in reverse to make hydrogen. That is also pretty efficient. But the hydrogen still needs to be compressed and cooled to produce liquid hydrogen. This process is pretty energy-intensive.
milofonbil 4 years ago
but what if there is no wind and its not sunny out side..where will you get your power?
Potatogunman 4 years ago
You place your bets on all renewable sources.
milofonbil 4 years ago
I live in Washington State. We are at 75% renewable. We get a good base load from hydro and soon from geothermal. Our wind farms are located in areas where the wind blows most of the time so that energy production is pretty constant. We get about 70% of the sun that Los Angeles gets.
milofonbil 4 years ago
sounds like Alan Alda narrating.
bkire 4 years ago
Okay wait Iceland has got 312.000 inhabitants :P
AND43A50N 4 years ago
I love it. Great video.
TheJammingDude 4 years ago
Alan Alda!
ABABnotC 4 years ago
Alan Alda ownz
Wildopushups4change 4 years ago
i really have a lot of respect for iceland..
stillwater82 4 years ago 3
watch the documentary Who Killed the Electric Car. Very interesting, shows how a very functional and superior electric car was well liked by everyone, then, suddenly destroyed and swept under the rug by big business and oil companies. Corruption is what keeps us dependent on oil, not technology.
ardvarkm 4 years ago 2
That's not the whole story.
(1) there was no market for the electric car. Not enough anyway. It didn't have the range.
(2) Fuel Cells have now demostrated a 300 mile range, and they're getting better.
(3) Electric cars are powered by the grid. The grid (in US) is over 50% fossil fuels. IE electric cars in US = global warming!
Get Educated, People!
goodpaulie 4 years ago
FACTS..
yes. electric cars use power from the grid =at night when theres low demand..
no.. the grid does not HAVE to rely on fossil fuels.. solar and wind could easily replace much of it.. global warming need not occur..
mileage will improve as battery and power stations evolve.. quickly if the government and YOU support it..
ws83547594 4 years ago
FACT:In the US, over 50% of the electricity in the grid comes from coal. COAL. That isn't going to change dramatically unless solar price drops A LOT. Wind can help, but frankly, there isn't enough of it.
FACT:True, consumers and citizens can help drive solar prices down, but supporting electric cars in place of fuel cells isn't a way to do it.
FACT Unless your method of electrical generation plus transmission beats fuel cells (60-90% efficiency), fuel cells will always beat the electric car.
goodpaulie 4 years ago
FACT: Parts of the US have plenty of sun.
FACT: Parts of the US have plenty of wind.
FACT: Parts of the US have plenty of geothermal energy.
FACT: Parts of the US have a lot of tidal energy
FACT: Parts of the US have a lot of hydro
FACT: Parts of the US are entirely reliant on dirty coal
FACT: All nuclear power stations have a problem with storing high-level radioactive waste.
milofonbil 4 years ago
FACT: The state I live in has 75% renewable electricity.
FACT: Hydrogen needs to be transported.
FACT: Electricity can be generated at 95% efficiency, transported cheaply (at high voltage), and motion can be generated at 90-95% efficiency.
FACT: Battery technology exists to efficiently store electricity.
milofonbil 4 years ago
FACT: 1 cubic meter hydrogen has 0.12 GJ of energy
FACT: 4 liters of gasoline have 0.14 GJ of energy
FACT: It takes energy to liquefy hydrogen, lots of it.
FACT: It takes energy to vaporize liquid hydrogen.
milofonbil 4 years ago
Your facts aren't wrong, but your conclusions are based on some heavy assumptions.
Fuel cells do not rely on hydrogen, necessarily. They can be just as efficient (60-90+%) on liquid alcohol or other fuels. Hydrogen advantage is that is is CARBON-FREE. No CO2. No increased global warming. So long as it is produced by a carbon-free source. Plus, even if the FC runs on H2, who says it has to be liquefied -- the GM Sequel drove over 300 miles on non-liquefied H2.
goodpaulie 4 years ago
It takes a lot of energy to compress the H2 to 10,000 psi (700bar). And they are working on 20,000 psi. Filling a scuba tank to 3,000 psi is dangerous. Do you think you will be able to do a self-serve H2 station at 20K psi?
And what is your carbon-free source?
milofonbil 4 years ago
Hydrogen will not necessarily need to be transported. If the technology of electrolysis can be made more efficient, you will see filling stations using electrolysis to covert water to hydrogen. Problem solved.
I agree with you about the distribution of non-fossil sources. Hopefully the electrolysis will be powered by those sources -- specific for the given region of the country.
goodpaulie 4 years ago
Yes.... and electrolysis uses electricity which comes from the GRID. "The grid (in US) is over 50% fossil fuels." IE hydrogen cars in US = global warming!
Hydrogen system needs to be compared with batteries because in the end, the fuel cell makes electricity to power an electric motor.
milofonbil 4 years ago
So, greening the grid is essential, whether we drive electric cars or fuel cell cars. Then, for long-range driving ability, it looks like fuel cells will still be the best option.
PS While it does take energy to vaporize liquid hydrogen, that's a misleading statement. At room temperature, the liquid H2 will boil spontaneously, decreasing the room temp very slightly as it boils. There's no appreciable energy loss there.
goodpaulie 4 years ago
Things have changed a lot from the EV1. It used lead-acid and later NiMH. Now there are Li-Ion batteries that are even lighter and have even more capacity. Even quick-charge Li-Ion batteries are out. Long range is there with EV's and PHEVs.
milofonbil 4 years ago
The hydrogen production station in Iceland is solar powered. The rest of this documentary shows how it works. The host even interviews the guy who invented the specialized solar panels the hydrogen station uses.
sentientmachine11 3 years ago
That's very interesting. Got a link to the full vid, or at least the name of the documentary? I wouldn't have thought Iceland would be so good with solar. Perhaps they use that whenever they can, and supplement it from the grid, which is geothermal, anyway.
It's time for solar panels on every house, and a hydrogen production facility and compressor tanks setup in every home garage, and regular gas stations. Any excess solar energy can be fed back into the system for credits!
lastnymleft 3 years ago
The documentary is called Scientific American Frontiers. You can stream the episode "Hydrogen Hopes" from the PBS website. However I must make a correction after watching it again. The hydrogen stations aren't powered by solar, my bad. I must have got up to get a drink during the transition ;). Not a bad idea though.
sentientmachine11 3 years ago
Don't you think it's polluting to transport oil from middle-east to USA and western Europe with all these big tankers that consume a lot and pollute the environment.
Would it be less polluting to create electricity for cars locally. I doubt it.
4hrGraveyardShift 4 years ago
It depends on the method of producing the electricity.
Actually, extracting, transporting, and refining oil into gasoline is a pretty efficient process (the oil giants aren't dummies. They have extremely efficient processes to max their profits).
But when gas burns in our cars, we only get 25% of the energy back. That's where the pollution, losses, and costs come from!
Time to stop using 19th century heat engines!
goodpaulie 4 years ago
You are exactly right. 35% goes to heating your radiator water, 35% goes to heat the air coming out of your tailpipe and 5% goes to friction. The remaining 20% is mechanical energy that turns your wheels.
Electric motors are 3 to 4 times more efficient.
milofonbil 4 years ago
Why not power the electric motor from a battery charged by the grid? (the same place that the hydrogen is getting it from) Both solutions desparately need the greening of the grid.
milofonbil 4 years ago
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Ethanol and hydrogen are big scams, i can't believe people actually fall for this politician's trick.
Iceland doesn't need hydrogen, it only needs more electricity.
Electric cars already exist and for decades. Car makers, politicians and oil-related energy companies want to screw people as usual.
We have electric cars, why would we need hydrogen/ethanol cars?
It's plain ridiculous and journalists are also lying to the population, on behalf of governments!
usa19901 4 years ago