First he makes claim that Aramiac is the oldest form of Hebrew which it is not. There was Paleo Hebrew and Pre Paleo Hebrew that were around MUCH earlier. Which isaiah is paleo Hebrew, NOT Aramaic.
To substantiate this guys claim...Obama would have to be Lucifer himself, not the AC. I would mean that Obama himself was the one thrown from Heaven ( which does not occur until the Mid Trib time anyway ) and at that time the AC has already been ruling for 3.5 years. 2 different characters here.
Lightning is a source of surprised excitement. If we look to the ancient greek we find "GE" (surprised) and "ORGE" (excited) . Falling is an effect of gravity that may befall any careless WALKER. Heaven is where God spoke to Moses from the flaming BUSH. Therefore, GEORGE WALKER BUSH is Satan. He tells you so if you listen to all his speeches backwards at a specific speed, translate each word into Sumerian, number each letter and eatsay artsfay.
Mr. Obama's first name does not come from the root "baraq" [ברק; bet-rish-qof] but the root "barak" [ברך; bet-rish-kaf] and is a common Semitic name and means "blessed" or "blessing." To claim that these two words are the same is like saying that "right" and "write" are the same word, as they sound similarly but both come from very different etymology.
the antichrist was born in the 70tsys so the antichrist was cloned to look like jesus looks. that will be the illusion talked about in 2 thessolonians chapter 2 its not obama ,,his life will be endandered by islam terriists. you need to give your life to jesus before its too late. your life is endangered too. please read your bible. john 3:3 daniel chapter 12 matthew 24. your not bornagain because you havent the eyes to see clearly and you use swear words for a living.
there are multiple ways to say certain phrases or sentences in all languages. Your video presents no valuable and vialble argument to this issue. You simply present another way to say heaven. You don't even acknowledge the fact that "bama" could be used to arrive at the same meaning. Language alters over time, how do you know for sure that "shamayim" was used universally by Jesus and others during that time period?
@wrlax17 "how do you know for sure that "shamayim" was used universally by Jesus and others during that time period? "
I can't know for sure, but my view isn't unique, as I got it from what most Hebrew scholars say about the subject. ppsimmons is either dishonest or ignorant. I report, you decide :-)
So... You can't argue with it, therefore you call it retarded? Also, he went on to explain the other possible interpretations on Heaven, which is not the version that fits that particular verse... What's your argument here?
ppsimmons had several choices for Hebrew words that could be translated as 'heaven'. The most common of these words is 'SHAMAYIM'. But he chose 'BAMA' instead. Also, he left out the translation of 'from' in his argument. 'MIN' is its translation.
Here is an accurate Hebrew translation: "BARAQ MIN HA-SHAMAYIM." Not quite what he was looking for, huh?
He is ignorant at best, but more likely just plain dishonest.
crazypills?.......I think someone just gave us a little insight right there!!! maybe you need to check and be sure you have taken your crazy pills before making your next video!!! I take neither side on this argument, however when I watched the origional video I took it as being for the sole purpose of entertainment and found it interesting.....could it be? maybe not, who knows!
I recommend that everyone who views this video or the one that it is in response to read 1 Corinthians 2:14 and 1 John 4:1-6 for insight into this debate.
after reading your arguing i see crazy guy talkin about opening minds and all.. ok so yea there are other words for the translation that is true but why cant you realize that one of the words in them bucha words is obamas name... open your mind it says barak obama is that not obvious that it does say that when it also says other words but it does also say barak obama? so whats wrong in realizing that its truthful!
I am one of the most curious in this kind of wisdom. I am time, materials and knowledge constraint to be able to conduct research. So how about posting a response founded with research. It could help a than just babbling without basis. please? if no one can post wisdom against wisdom of ppsimons then I guess I have no choice but to believe him
This reminds me of a friend that lives and travels in a lot of countries and speaks several languages. When she got pregnant she had a really hard time picking out a name because so many beautiful "normal" names in one language had totally different meaning in another. understanding that, I'm sure there's no end to the people you could implicate by finding the phonetics of people's names in ancient languages used in biblical times.
Since you know it's not rational, please explain why instead of just claiming that it isn't.
"...I could've actually gone in to the Hebrew... Anyone who would accept ppsimmons explanation would not be open to rational, logical argument."
In other words you don't have a rational, logical argument. ppsimmons may be wrong, but leave the video-responses to someone who is able to/can be bothered to respond rationally and logically.
ppsimmons had several choices for Hebrew words that could be translated as 'heaven'. The most common of these words is 'SHAMAYIM'. But he chose 'BAMA' instead. Also, he left out the translation of 'from' in his argument. 'MIN' is its translation.
Here is an accurate Hebrew translation: "BARAQ MIN HA-SHAMAYIM." Not quite what he was looking for, huh?
He is ignorant at best, but more likely just plain dishonest.
There are several meanings to the words. I guess people choose those which suit their outlook best. To say "here is an accurate Hebrew translation" is no more of a claim to correctness than ppsimmons effort.
Not to be ignored in all this is the political stance of Obama on several issues pertinant to Christian living. He is pro:
- homosexual union, &
- late-term abortion
The Bible is clear that YAHWEH hates these acts (see Rom 1 & Prov 6:16-19).
Yes, although there are several words to choose from, ppsimmons chose the least likely. If you're interested, do a search to see what the leading Hebrew scholars say on this issue. You will find that most support the translation I provided.
Your other claims as to what Obama supports are irrelevant to this conversation. You asked me to provide a rational argument as to why ppsimmons was wrong, which I did. You have provided nothing to counter, only a read herring.
On the contrary, there are many 'methods' used to identify the antichrist. But, any discussion concerning his identity should also take into account his policies & actions against the criteria set out in the Bible.
You may refer to these as "red herrings", but others would see them as identifiable characterisitcs of, not just THE antichrist, but the spirit of antichrist which is already in the world.
You seem to skirt around this issue: are you a Christian, or are just familiar with them?
How many people in the world are pro homosexual union and late-term abortion (although I think you're being liberal about the latter claim)? By your logic, we must assume that they all are viable candidates for being the anti-christ.
Our discussion began as to whether I provided a rational argument against ppsimmons' claim. Now you want to change the subject. Answer this question: do you believe ppsimmons is correct in his claim about Luke 10:18?
"they all are viable candidates for being the anti-christ"
No! Perhaps I wasn't clear. Whilst pro homosexual union & abortion may be characteristics of the antichrist, they are only 2 of many. However, they are indicitive of the spirit of antichrist that all who adhere to these policies are swayed by.
Apologies. I assumed u had some interest in the issue of who is the antichrist, but u were just attacking ppsimmons logic, which to answer ur Q remains to be seen.
So, are you saying there is a reasonable chance that ppsimmons is correct on Luke 10:18? Or, do you think it's more likely that he has an agenda against Obama and looks for things that confirms that agenda?
Hmmm! Read your profile. You insist you were a Christian - a believer in the Son of a GOD you know doesn't exist. Slightly oxymoronic.
Since you repeat the Q that I already answered, let me make it clearer: ppsimmons assessment of Luke 10:18, even according to you, is based on accepted translations of the original text. The fact that you say most leading scholars support your translation means little in that the identity of the antichrist hangs on much more than the verses being discussed.
"Given there several characteristics that required from any antichrist candidate, ppsimmons version offers more rational appeal than yours in that your take on the verse that discusses the rejection of Satan from heaven portrays pro-homosexual & pro-abortion Obama as a light being sent from heaven." - RPM11111
What planet are you from? Ive made no such claim. I believe the verse is irrelevant to President Obama.
Sorry if I "misinterpreted" ur comment. I have misunderstood. My engaging in this issue is, like ppsimmons, motivated by my Christian beliefs. I am asked to watch for the "signs of the times" and like many Christians I often closely examine the policies and acts of any major player on the world scene. Obama says he's a Christian, but his policies and behaviour say otherwise. He mocks GOD's Word, talks of peace, but time will tell. So don't be surprised if some consider him to be the antichrist.
I am certainly not in agreement with all ppsimmons says, but I can't speak for the man's integrity. I'm always wary when people step out to declare this one or that one to be THE antichrist. It's been done too many times before and only brought humiliation. On the other hand, there are many antichrists in that the spirit of antichrist (spirit of this world) sways the minds of many and it can be seen much more in the likes of Hitler/Stallin/Mao etc.
"ppsimmons steps out a limb with his proposal, but his position is not without some logic" - RPM11111
ppsimmons steps off the deep end. He is not interested in the truth but only the advancement of his agenda. Based on the other videos of his Ive seen, there appears to be little integrity in the man. Isnt integrity important to you?
Since you are happily "God free", you no longer serve God. Therefore you serve Satan. Perhaps you don't even think there is or will be such a one as the Antichrist. I shall pray for you. Jesus IS God, He IS coming soon and you WILL have to answer to Him for turning your back upon the only One who can save your eternal soul.
I shall stand before Almighty God one day...unworthy...and He will welcome me into His presence forever because Jesus was executed for every foul, thing I've ever done.
Please understand that your gripe with ppsimmons' integrity, which I am in no position to substantiate, has nothing to with my thoughts on the importance of integrity.
Unfortunately, in your profile you say that you "knew you were a better father than GOD...and that Jehovah could not possibly exist."
So you're a better father than the god who doesn't exist.
Where do integrity, logic and rationality fit in here?
I do have a goal in making my videos. I would like people to open their minds question things that dont make sense. However, this goal will not drive me to distort the truth. So, which is more rational: 1) distort the truth to comply with your beliefs or 2) allow the evidence to show you the truth?
U know as well as I do, people can be selective in the evidence/source of evidence they choose to accept.
You, having denied in your heart that GOD exists, won't be open to even looking for any evidence that suggests otherwise. Instead you indulge in trying to challenge anyone who does. Why?
What is it that worries you? Something to do with your son perhaps (as intimated in your profile). You believed in GOD, but something happened and now you must tear down anything that means GOD exists.
@RPM11111 Please stop trying, and no Im not closed minded or crazy. I have seen evidence of God, but stop trying to say everyone is influenced by satan to deny God. People deny God because that is their point of view and they have their reasons...
"Since you repeat the Q that I already answered, let me make it clearer: ppsimmons assessment of Luke 10:18, even according to you, is based on accepted translations of the original text." - RPM11111
No, its not. Even if you translate heaven as BAMA, there is no O before it. At best, it translates as "BARAQ MIN BAMA." However, he neglects to share that fact. This is just plain dishonesty. Additionally, BAMA is the least likely translation and this cannot go unnoticed.
@crazypills2 I don't think Mr. ppsimmons is ignorant. Bamah means heights in hebrew, and as he said "Lighting from the heights or heavens" so yes it could be also shamayin like you said, but also in wikipedia they translated the word Shamayin like Sky or The Heights. He just simply gave us something to think about, it doesn't mean its true.
For one thing...Aramaic isn't Hebrew whatsoever. Aramaic is extinct, but from it came Arabic. Hebrew was already in existance by then. As we have the OT. Also, using wau [w] as a copulative phoneme was done in poetry. Not declarative statements. Then there is the little problem of the construct case. In Hebrew you don't make genitive statements [...from the sky] as in English. The head noun morphs in form. So "baraq bamau" is an incorrect form, it would be "barq bamau". Not "baraq o-bamau".
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you two can be silly enough to ignore all the signs if you want, but im telling you ITS HIM, he fits the description in REV 13 EXACTLY, and whoever it is HAS to be a US a president 'he was given authority to continue for forty two months' --This video shows you the words STRAIGHT FROM THE STRONGS, yet you will believe gust's ideals based on nothing at all, but WE are the lost? NOT
I campaigned for him before I knew PLUS im black, im not a republican etc, im telling you hes the one, you will see
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You're just jealous because ppsimmons does the homework. Hell crazypills2 you probably voted for Nobama, that's why you're upset. Next thing you're gonna do is probably tell everyone you're one of his followers. I believe ppsimmons and I'm not ashamed because I'm doing my own research I don't believe everything I hear till I can see it myself. Nobama just has that personality about him that draws people to him and I don't like it.
Check the vid-responses. The video responding to this is done by someone who did do his homework. Also, not trusting a guy because he's popular is dumb. Why not say Elvis was the anti-christ? Or Kennidy? Or Michal Jackson? I'll admit, I voted Obama, not only because he seemed to have a good plan, but because the alternative scared me shitless. To Date, Obama's track-record as president has been admittedly less than optimal. I'm willing to give him three more years to catch up.
....and this is something, no pastor, no preacher, no annoynomus guy on youtue, no professor can do! Yeshua taught only what is between God and EACH individual is what matters, while not forsaking the fellowship of others, even if they doubt! I'm not trusting Obama simply becuz he's popular, that indeed is absurd, I don't trust him becuz i know that he's just another Rockefeller/bilderburg president, not for the best interests of the ppl but for the best interest of the ruling few! Plz...wake up
My name is Honeybee in Greek. I've been trying to sting people all my life, but I didn't exactly get the response I expected...I have three kids now!hahaha Wow...this is stretching it. REALLY...
When I began to think for myself, it was then that I realized Human Rationality does not equate Reality! U claim that rationality is important, u claim that "u want us to start thinking for (ourselves)", yet your response shows that u are not thinking, you are reacting, with anger and with haughtiness! This is not rational either. In all your years being around us Christians, I'm surpirsed that u didn't learn that a relationship with God is more than a religion about God! Please bro, go back2God
True, rationality doesn't equal reality. Rationality equals not letting a book that claims to have all the answers stop you from looking. His response is lacking, but it his perogative to choose either to step up or just let it slide. He chose to let it slide. Check the video responses to meet a guy who didn't.
Yeshua came to destroy religion and the book you're talking about! It's funny how you've made further assumptions about what I believe regarding Obama when I spoke of no such thing! for it is written "not even the son knows when these times will come" so if the son does not even know, then who am I....or anyone else to claim to have that knowledge!! Go back2God bdpickett! I do not believe because of indoctrination, or become some book says so, but because God has touched me!
CrazyPills2, I haven't checked into Mr. Simmon's claims of matching Hebrew/Aramaic words and their translations, but neither have you presented any worthwhile rebuttal that would substantiate anything. Your video was more of a waste of my time than Mr. Simmon's would have been.
It may be a coincidence, but the info in the video is accurate. The word for heaven is shamayim, true. The aramaic for "high place" IS bamah. Don't use the straw-man argument. Let people decide for themselves.
I think that the anti-christ from Revelation has been solved. He was Nero, the emperor of Rome. I could be off on a few things, but this guy was who John was talking about. He had to write Revelations in code because he was a captive, and saying that Nero was a devil wasn't exactly legal. Although to be fair, Nero would have been a very qualified devil of his time.
"i want you people to start thinking for yourselves!"
Dude, seriously, I deeply, deeply respect you because of that single simple statement. if i could sub a second time 9and third and fourth just to show my appreciation...) I would.
Jesus is talking about the Barak Obama who runs the hala deli down the street. I go in and ask for a Black Forest ham sandwich and he looks at me with pure evil - pure evil, I tells ya. He's the
Antichrist.
Seriously, check out Steve Caruso's analysis on his Aramaic Blog. He does Aramaic translation for a living. I googled "the most ancient form of Hebrew" and found this and other informed discussions of this video.
Did Jesus say that the Antichrist would be the President of the US?
ppsimmons had several choices for Hebrew words that could be translated as 'heaven'. The most common of these words is 'SHAMAYIM'. But he chose 'BAMA' instead. Also, he left out the translation of 'from' in his argument. 'MIN' is its translation.
Here is an accurate Hebrew translation: "BARAQ MIN HA-SHAMAYIM." Not quite what he was looking for, huh?
He is ignorant at best, but more likely just plain dishonest.
That is a logical argument but it does not completely eliminate his argument.
That one choice was more common does not mean the second choice was not the one used.
Your description of him being ignorant is reactive and emotional not accurate based upon the video that you quoted and not logical.
I think more interesting questions would be: What were the words in Aramaic? And "are there instances in texts where someone else used this phrase in Aramaic and what words did they use?
Obviously Jesus could have used the less popular 'BAMA' for heaven. However, if you look at ppsimmons' page, you can easily see that he doesn't like President Obama. So, instead of letting the evidence determine his conclusion, he let his conclusion (desire) determine his evidence.
This is irrational behavior. This becomes more obvious when you notice that he intentionally left out 'MIN' (from) and instead inserted 'O' that isn't in the text.
Is this behavior indicative of rational thought? I report, you decide :-)
I do not consider it irrational that he left out MIN and I also do not consider it important to his point. It may not be honest but that is something else.
The bottom line though is, that you and he are arguing about Hebrew when you should be looking at 1st Century Aramaic. Had you wanted to criticize rationally, that is the place to go.
An example is the early 20th century (or perhaps late 19th century) experiment to measure the charge of an atom. The careful scientist who was doing the measurements recorded his findings in a book.
One day, he wrote in his book "All of these measurements must be false" This was before he supposedly should have known what the measure was if he had a clean and open mind. He was predisposed. Turned out.. he was right.
Having said that, I think that it is very important that the confirmational bias be associated with reasonable evidence for rationality to be imputed.
Simple assertions that are not based in evidence or questions that are focused on holes in data (argumentum ad ignoratiam) are probably irrational.
I suggest you do a little research on deductive reasoning. If the premises of arguments are false, then the argument is not sound. And, if it is not sound, it is not convincing
You cannot associate confirmation bias with rational thinking. Now one who has a confirmation bias can end up being correct. However, that doesn't mean the reasoning was rational.
You cannot associate confirmation bias with rational thinking.
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But I have. Your emotional argument that it is impossible to do -- is simply refuted by the mere fact that I have done so.
What you may mean to say ... is that you reject it. I would accept that.
You reject it because it does not fit with your preconceived notions. You have a confirmational bias against it. Which is fine with me, but that is not the same thing as you being right.
Do you really believe that confirmation bias is rational or are you simply trying to defend the argument you made? Are you saying that it is rational to only look for evidence that supports the things we already believe and ignore evidence to the contrary? If so, then what if you're wrong? How will you ever discover the truth?
By your logic, planning your life based on astrology is rational.
Well maybe you didn't say it, but you implied it, as that is what confirmation bias is. It is a bias that only sees evidence that supports the beliefs one already has.
Now it is ok to dismiss 'evidence' to the contrary of a position. However, it should not be dismissed simply because its contrary. There should be justifiable reasons. Don't you agree?
I like this statement, but this contradicts what you've been saying in this thread.
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I see it as consistent.
Maybe our problem is definitional. How do you define confirmation bias?
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The tendency for people to make connections, see patterns, use heuristics, accept information, reject information, solve problems etc. according to their understanding of how things work.
However, since you bring it up, I can easily believe that under certain circumstances, basing one's life decisions on astrology could be very rational.
Maybe that's one of our differences. I think that, although truth can never be fully known, we can understand part of it through critical thinking skills. We must let the evidence lead us to our conclusions, not the other way around.
Regarding your strawman claim, let me ask two questions: 1) Do those who adhere to astrology practice confirmation bias? 2) Is this bias rational?
we can understand part of it through critical thinking skills === Only part of it. We must let the evidence lead us to our conclusions, not the other way around. === Why? Do those who adhere to astrology practice confirmation bias? === Some do, some don't. 2) Is this bias rational? === It might be.
Or Jesus might not have been sayiing Heaven... maybe "the heights" or something of that nature.
It is irrelevant to me that he does not like Obama. And I do not care if one thought led to another. People make connections. That is is one of the unique attributes of human beings.
Thanks for the good work. I actually knew a guy who believed something along these lines. I couldn't get the full story because he refused to talk to me after I told him I was an atheist. I'm going to lie about that from now on so I can hear more crazy shit.
'la' (or rather 'le') as he said, really joins concepts 2gether, but in the meaning of 'into\ to smthg or somewhere' if anything. and how he connected it to the latin o or u, i can't begin to understand. and it's not a letter you dummy, it's a preposition. the letter he was looking for is 'lamed'.
crazy pills this was great love the end lmao i had no idea your dad was or is a pastor what does he think of you know and were you shund by your family mine have been ok they just think this is a phase or that i was never a real christian.although im not a loud to talk to her dad about religion or she said she would divorce me they are super religious she is an atheist like me but a closet case.
My father and mother are both disappointed by my decision, but I have a very good relationship with both of them. They still try to get me to come back to the faith, but it's because the love me and are genuinely concerned about me.
my mother used to sing on tbn and for a short time had a christian record out and toured around the states but gave it up because it took her away from the family. she has always been head of the choir, so i was at church 3 to 4 times per week are world revolved around it her life still does. she like your parents thinks i will come back to the faith and thinks Satan has his grip on me but she loves me the same and has never shund me so there is something even religion cant break.
if obama is the anti Christ you Christians should be happy as the end is near and your lord is close but if obam does his term and lose as i hope or if he wins again and nothing happens will you people stop with the crazy talk about the anti Christ you guy said the anti Christ will come out of Rome or Europe then it was the middle east now its obama please how many times can you guys get it wrong. not only this the church from the start 2000 yrs ago has thought the end was near. please stop!!!
this guy is crazy i have a question for any one who thinks obama is the anti Christ isn't the anti Christ supposed to join the whole world together and everyone follows him because he can do no wrong he is supposed to be perfect and everyone is supposed to love him. the fact is i think he is an ass but so does half the country so this doesn't sound like everyone loves him and on top of this he cant even pass any of his programs with out tons of grief.again this is not the role of the anti christ
Years ago, I watched a program depicting the prophecies of Nostradamus. I remember one segment concerning the anti-christ and how the producers/narrators/whoever had decided that the translation meant it would come from the Middle East. My minister grabbed right ahold of that and preached about it for weeks on end. I was convinced it was Saddam Hussein. Guess not.
When I grew up, we were convinced it was Henry Kissinger. As I posted earlier, if you assign numbers to the letters of the alphabet (a = 6, b = 12, c = 18, etc.), his name adds up to 666.
"Satan as Lightning" That Satan guy certainly knows how to make an entrance. Barack Obama is the AntiChrist.....bloody hilarious. Here's a game for the kiddies. Trawl the bible...and see if you can construct the AntiChrist's name for your Uncle's name. You might find it surprisingly easy.
According to the newest report from the US Centers for Disease Control, 76.1% of all children in the US are immunized. Sorry to burst that particular bubble. :-(
I thought you were talking about immunizations in general.
But, I still don't think most Christians will forego the H1N1 shot. That's more the conspiracy theorists. Most adults in my area who don't get flu shots yearly don't have insurance to cover it or they can't afford it themselves. We have about 10 churches in my town and not one is preaching against it. In fact, two will be holding clinics in their buildings. YT channels may not be the best to judge what is happening in the real world.
You hit the nail on the head - it's pointless to offer a reasonable rebuttal. Anyone who would buy into the stupidity of the original video is already convinced, and wouldn't accept any rebuttal, however reasonable that rebuttal might be.
Sometimes I feel like I'm wasting my time making videos. And, maybe I am. I've definitely grown more cynical over the past year. However, I still hold some hope that there are those who will begin to think for themselves.
You aren't wasting your time. People everywhere are waking up to the manipulative lunacy of religion. The more voices there are pointing out the madness, the faster the process will occur, and your voice is a very good one; you're precise, rational, and without undue malice.
Don't expect to win over the hardcore believers. The battle right now is for the fencesitters, and for those who have never given it much thought. Encouraging these people to think is how the war will be won.
If one starts with *any* premise, given enough ingenuity on the part of the observer, they will be able to find sufficient evidence to support their premise.
Terry pratchett calls it 'Creative storytelling'. The manipulating of figures through omissions and convenient 'looking of the other way' if contrary evidence pokes its head and violates a person's theory.
Yes, the problem is not seeing the utter insanity in this. The problem is figuring out - what the fuck to do about it. As you said, people who believe it or even entertain the notion, are not exactly open to rational arguments against it and are only trivially effected by mockery.
Oh we are in such fucking trouble as a species. Take care of the Christians, and you still have the Muslims to tend to. I don't toss words like "hopeless" around casually, but...
This reminds me of the backwards masking bullshit around heavy metal bands.
I think the antidote for this might be the same. Take the same method and apply it to random instances... PPSimmons, Geerup, Pat Robertson, Jesus H Christ etc... and see which if any can be converted into portents of doom via the same method. A handful of good examples should prove to most of those christians not totally lost to reason that this is a bogus claim.
For your information the ppsimmons info does not originally come from a Christian source, so you got that totally wrong crazypills2.
I think crazypills' hatred of Xtians is clouding his judgement. If you check out Luke 10:18 with a dictionary for yourselves, instead of believing an ex-Christian with an axe to grind, you will see that ppsimmons is correct.
There are several problems with his video. First of all, the word he chose to use for 'heaven' is not the most commonly used Hebrew word. The most common word is 'SHAMAYIM'. Secondly, Instead of translating 'from' as 'MIN', he leaves this out, since "Baraq Min Ha-Shamayim" doesn't quite work with his argument
hahaha i luvd ur ending...gud video
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First he makes claim that Aramiac is the oldest form of Hebrew which it is not. There was Paleo Hebrew and Pre Paleo Hebrew that were around MUCH earlier. Which isaiah is paleo Hebrew, NOT Aramaic.
To substantiate this guys claim...Obama would have to be Lucifer himself, not the AC. I would mean that Obama himself was the one thrown from Heaven ( which does not occur until the Mid Trib time anyway ) and at that time the AC has already been ruling for 3.5 years. 2 different characters here.
PeteFisher2005 1 year ago
...as lightning falling from the heavens:
Lightning is a source of surprised excitement. If we look to the ancient greek we find "GE" (surprised) and "ORGE" (excited) . Falling is an effect of gravity that may befall any careless WALKER. Heaven is where God spoke to Moses from the flaming BUSH. Therefore, GEORGE WALKER BUSH is Satan. He tells you so if you listen to all his speeches backwards at a specific speed, translate each word into Sumerian, number each letter and eatsay artsfay.
oblio1000 1 year ago
Mr. Obama's first name does not come from the root "baraq" [ברק; bet-rish-qof] but the root "barak" [ברך; bet-rish-kaf] and is a common Semitic name and means "blessed" or "blessing." To claim that these two words are the same is like saying that "right" and "write" are the same word, as they sound similarly but both come from very different etymology.
grannie530 1 year ago
pureinheart777 1 year ago
wheres the argument? you dident prove anything
reptile1000 1 year ago
Pee-Pee. Pee-Pee.
That was the best satire you could come up with. I would have deleted this video just for that statement, it's just plain embaressing bro.
leeg1931 1 year ago
I wanna play...
according to Strong's Hebrew dictionary......
Peh Peh = to blow from the mouth.
seh = sheep
meh-o-naw = dwelling place.
ppsimmons = Peh peh seh me-o-naw
"The mouth blower from the sheep den."
I report, you decide.
MeDammitt 1 year ago
there are multiple ways to say certain phrases or sentences in all languages. Your video presents no valuable and vialble argument to this issue. You simply present another way to say heaven. You don't even acknowledge the fact that "bama" could be used to arrive at the same meaning. Language alters over time, how do you know for sure that "shamayim" was used universally by Jesus and others during that time period?
wrlax17 1 year ago
@wrlax17 "how do you know for sure that "shamayim" was used universally by Jesus and others during that time period? "
I can't know for sure, but my view isn't unique, as I got it from what most Hebrew scholars say about the subject. ppsimmons is either dishonest or ignorant. I report, you decide :-)
crazypills2 1 year ago
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lugosi44 1 year ago
So... You can't argue with it, therefore you call it retarded? Also, he went on to explain the other possible interpretations on Heaven, which is not the version that fits that particular verse... What's your argument here?
Wolfshifter 1 year ago
"What's your argument here? " - Wolfshifter
ppsimmons had several choices for Hebrew words that could be translated as 'heaven'. The most common of these words is 'SHAMAYIM'. But he chose 'BAMA' instead. Also, he left out the translation of 'from' in his argument. 'MIN' is its translation.
Here is an accurate Hebrew translation: "BARAQ MIN HA-SHAMAYIM." Not quite what he was looking for, huh?
He is ignorant at best, but more likely just plain dishonest.
crazypills2 1 year ago 2
crazypills?.......I think someone just gave us a little insight right there!!! maybe you need to check and be sure you have taken your crazy pills before making your next video!!! I take neither side on this argument, however when I watched the origional video I took it as being for the sole purpose of entertainment and found it interesting.....could it be? maybe not, who knows!
lugosi44 1 year ago
Your video makes no sense. You believe still in god!! HAHAHA
rottendamned 1 year ago
@rottendamned How does the video not make sense? Just because he thinks that this propaganda is bullshit doesn't mean he does not believe in god.
polishfreak36 1 year ago
Ignore the "2:14" link in my previous post, it does not lead to the 1 Corinthians reference.
triquetratat777 1 year ago
I recommend that everyone who views this video or the one that it is in response to read 1 Corinthians 2:14 and 1 John 4:1-6 for insight into this debate.
triquetratat777 1 year ago
after reading your arguing i see crazy guy talkin about opening minds and all.. ok so yea there are other words for the translation that is true but why cant you realize that one of the words in them bucha words is obamas name... open your mind it says barak obama is that not obvious that it does say that when it also says other words but it does also say barak obama? so whats wrong in realizing that its truthful!
thisguybigd 1 year ago
Thanks for the vid!! Good job!
SAUNDERSacts2618 2 years ago
Thanks SAUNDERSacts2618
crazypills2 2 years ago
I am one of the most curious in this kind of wisdom. I am time, materials and knowledge constraint to be able to conduct research. So how about posting a response founded with research. It could help a than just babbling without basis. please? if no one can post wisdom against wisdom of ppsimons then I guess I have no choice but to believe him
joey349harry 2 years ago
how have eyes see how have ears hear
but you didn´t see and didn´t hear
MDGsoldieroffortune 2 years ago
This reminds me of a friend that lives and travels in a lot of countries and speaks several languages. When she got pregnant she had a really hard time picking out a name because so many beautiful "normal" names in one language had totally different meaning in another. understanding that, I'm sure there's no end to the people you could implicate by finding the phonetics of people's names in ancient languages used in biblical times.
krunk1980 2 years ago
Since you know it's not rational, please explain why instead of just claiming that it isn't.
"...I could've actually gone in to the Hebrew... Anyone who would accept ppsimmons explanation would not be open to rational, logical argument."
In other words you don't have a rational, logical argument. ppsimmons may be wrong, but leave the video-responses to someone who is able to/can be bothered to respond rationally and logically.
RPM11111 2 years ago
RPM11111,
Ok, if you want a logical argument, here goes.
ppsimmons had several choices for Hebrew words that could be translated as 'heaven'. The most common of these words is 'SHAMAYIM'. But he chose 'BAMA' instead. Also, he left out the translation of 'from' in his argument. 'MIN' is its translation.
Here is an accurate Hebrew translation: "BARAQ MIN HA-SHAMAYIM." Not quite what he was looking for, huh?
He is ignorant at best, but more likely just plain dishonest.
crazypills2 2 years ago
There are several meanings to the words. I guess people choose those which suit their outlook best. To say "here is an accurate Hebrew translation" is no more of a claim to correctness than ppsimmons effort.
Not to be ignored in all this is the political stance of Obama on several issues pertinant to Christian living. He is pro:
- homosexual union, &
- late-term abortion
The Bible is clear that YAHWEH hates these acts (see Rom 1 & Prov 6:16-19).
So, do U think Obama sent from heaven?
RPM11111 2 years ago
RPM11111,
Yes, although there are several words to choose from, ppsimmons chose the least likely. If you're interested, do a search to see what the leading Hebrew scholars say on this issue. You will find that most support the translation I provided.
Your other claims as to what Obama supports are irrelevant to this conversation. You asked me to provide a rational argument as to why ppsimmons was wrong, which I did. You have provided nothing to counter, only a read herring.
crazypills2 2 years ago
On the contrary, there are many 'methods' used to identify the antichrist. But, any discussion concerning his identity should also take into account his policies & actions against the criteria set out in the Bible.
You may refer to these as "red herrings", but others would see them as identifiable characterisitcs of, not just THE antichrist, but the spirit of antichrist which is already in the world.
You seem to skirt around this issue: are you a Christian, or are just familiar with them?
RPM11111 2 years ago
RPM11111,
How many people in the world are pro homosexual union and late-term abortion (although I think you're being liberal about the latter claim)? By your logic, we must assume that they all are viable candidates for being the anti-christ.
Our discussion began as to whether I provided a rational argument against ppsimmons' claim. Now you want to change the subject. Answer this question: do you believe ppsimmons is correct in his claim about Luke 10:18?
crazypills2 2 years ago
"they all are viable candidates for being the anti-christ"
No! Perhaps I wasn't clear. Whilst pro homosexual union & abortion may be characteristics of the antichrist, they are only 2 of many. However, they are indicitive of the spirit of antichrist that all who adhere to these policies are swayed by.
Apologies. I assumed u had some interest in the issue of who is the antichrist, but u were just attacking ppsimmons logic, which to answer ur Q remains to be seen.
How about my Q? Are u?
RPM11111 2 years ago
RPM11111,
So, are you saying there is a reasonable chance that ppsimmons is correct on Luke 10:18? Or, do you think it's more likely that he has an agenda against Obama and looks for things that confirms that agenda?
About me? I suggest you read my profile.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Hmmm! Read your profile. You insist you were a Christian - a believer in the Son of a GOD you know doesn't exist. Slightly oxymoronic.
Since you repeat the Q that I already answered, let me make it clearer: ppsimmons assessment of Luke 10:18, even according to you, is based on accepted translations of the original text. The fact that you say most leading scholars support your translation means little in that the identity of the antichrist hangs on much more than the verses being discussed.
RPM11111 2 years ago
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RPM11111 2 years ago
"Given there several characteristics that required from any antichrist candidate, ppsimmons version offers more rational appeal than yours in that your take on the verse that discusses the rejection of Satan from heaven portrays pro-homosexual & pro-abortion Obama as a light being sent from heaven." - RPM11111
What planet are you from? Ive made no such claim. I believe the verse is irrelevant to President Obama.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Sorry if I "misinterpreted" ur comment. I have misunderstood. My engaging in this issue is, like ppsimmons, motivated by my Christian beliefs. I am asked to watch for the "signs of the times" and like many Christians I often closely examine the policies and acts of any major player on the world scene. Obama says he's a Christian, but his policies and behaviour say otherwise. He mocks GOD's Word, talks of peace, but time will tell. So don't be surprised if some consider him to be the antichrist.
RPM11111 2 years ago
I am certainly not in agreement with all ppsimmons says, but I can't speak for the man's integrity. I'm always wary when people step out to declare this one or that one to be THE antichrist. It's been done too many times before and only brought humiliation. On the other hand, there are many antichrists in that the spirit of antichrist (spirit of this world) sways the minds of many and it can be seen much more in the likes of Hitler/Stallin/Mao etc.
This spirit, I'm afraid, has gotten to u.
RPM11111 2 years ago
"ppsimmons steps out a limb with his proposal, but his position is not without some logic" - RPM11111
ppsimmons steps off the deep end. He is not interested in the truth but only the advancement of his agenda. Based on the other videos of his Ive seen, there appears to be little integrity in the man. Isnt integrity important to you?
crazypills2 2 years ago
Since you are happily "God free", you no longer serve God. Therefore you serve Satan. Perhaps you don't even think there is or will be such a one as the Antichrist. I shall pray for you. Jesus IS God, He IS coming soon and you WILL have to answer to Him for turning your back upon the only One who can save your eternal soul.
I shall stand before Almighty God one day...unworthy...and He will welcome me into His presence forever because Jesus was executed for every foul, thing I've ever done.
reedsport777 2 years ago
crazypills2-
Please understand that your gripe with ppsimmons' integrity, which I am in no position to substantiate, has nothing to with my thoughts on the importance of integrity.
Unfortunately, in your profile you say that you "knew you were a better father than GOD...and that Jehovah could not possibly exist."
So you're a better father than the god who doesn't exist.
Where do integrity, logic and rationality fit in here?
I think you may have an agenda...Isaiah 14:13-15
RPM11111 2 years ago
"I think you may have an agenda." - RPM11111
I do have a goal in making my videos. I would like people to open their minds question things that dont make sense. However, this goal will not drive me to distort the truth. So, which is more rational: 1) distort the truth to comply with your beliefs or 2) allow the evidence to show you the truth?
crazypills2 2 years ago
U know as well as I do, people can be selective in the evidence/source of evidence they choose to accept.
You, having denied in your heart that GOD exists, won't be open to even looking for any evidence that suggests otherwise. Instead you indulge in trying to challenge anyone who does. Why?
What is it that worries you? Something to do with your son perhaps (as intimated in your profile). You believed in GOD, but something happened and now you must tear down anything that means GOD exists.
RPM11111 2 years ago
@RPM11111 Please stop trying, and no Im not closed minded or crazy. I have seen evidence of God, but stop trying to say everyone is influenced by satan to deny God. People deny God because that is their point of view and they have their reasons...
Coolioitbro 2 years ago
coolioitbro
I'll go by the Bible:
1 John 5:19
"We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one."
Settled!
RPM11111 2 years ago
@RPM11111 Thats not my point... stop wasting your time here...
Coolioitbro 2 years ago
Please explain your point Coolioitbro...
As far as wasting my time is concerned, I prefer to decide that for myself.
Peace.
RPM11111 2 years ago
@RPM11111 Your not going to convince anyone so stop wasting your time... look at how many comments you put...
Coolioitbro 2 years ago
Coolioitbro -
I'm not getting you at all. Seriously!
I will sow the seeds and they will fall where they may. I let the Holy Spirit do the rest.
You have absolutely no clue as to what good my comments are doing to those who read them - no clue.
You can pretend you do if you like, but I have no regard for your thoughts on the matter.
So, how long would you like to continue this tit-for-tat discussion? I'm happy agree to disagree.
RPM11111 2 years ago
"Since you repeat the Q that I already answered, let me make it clearer: ppsimmons assessment of Luke 10:18, even according to you, is based on accepted translations of the original text." - RPM11111
No, its not. Even if you translate heaven as BAMA, there is no O before it. At best, it translates as "BARAQ MIN BAMA." However, he neglects to share that fact. This is just plain dishonesty. Additionally, BAMA is the least likely translation and this cannot go unnoticed.
crazypills2 2 years ago
@crazypills2 I don't think Mr. ppsimmons is ignorant. Bamah means heights in hebrew, and as he said "Lighting from the heights or heavens" so yes it could be also shamayin like you said, but also in wikipedia they translated the word Shamayin like Sky or The Heights. He just simply gave us something to think about, it doesn't mean its true.
VMArual 1 year ago
It's just an old Christian pastime: pin the tail on the antichrist. But I know who is the antichrist: The antichrist is the wife of Uncle Christ.
averagebear1 2 years ago 2
You ended the controversy confirming heaven in Hebrew. The Hebrew word for heaven leaves no conclusion other than ppsimmons the rabbi is fraudulent.
Five Stars.
ABM
AnotherBrotherMark 2 years ago
For one thing...Aramaic isn't Hebrew whatsoever. Aramaic is extinct, but from it came Arabic. Hebrew was already in existance by then. As we have the OT. Also, using wau [w] as a copulative phoneme was done in poetry. Not declarative statements. Then there is the little problem of the construct case. In Hebrew you don't make genitive statements [...from the sky] as in English. The head noun morphs in form. So "baraq bamau" is an incorrect form, it would be "barq bamau". Not "baraq o-bamau".
gustjorodedheo 2 years ago
gustjorodedheo,
You're letting the facts get in the way of a confirmation bias :-)
crazypills2 2 years ago
BIBLE PROOF THAT OBAMA IS THE ANTICHRIST FROM THE BOOK OF REVELATION! A MUST HEAR!! A new mathematical principle to accurately interpret scripture has been found!
watch?v=GyWs97kHysc
ghostheadmusik 2 years ago
you two can be silly enough to ignore all the signs if you want, but im telling you ITS HIM, he fits the description in REV 13 EXACTLY, and whoever it is HAS to be a US a president 'he was given authority to continue for forty two months' --This video shows you the words STRAIGHT FROM THE STRONGS, yet you will believe gust's ideals based on nothing at all, but WE are the lost? NOT
I campaigned for him before I knew PLUS im black, im not a republican etc, im telling you hes the one, you will see
ghostheadmusik 2 years ago
I was actually hoping you had something to say. I didn't jump on board with the original video, but yours was a bigger waste of time.
brettmelton 2 years ago
LOL,,,5've & fav'd :)
dannukesem 2 years ago
hahaha, Barrack Obama is not the Antichrist......everyone knows it's Dick Cheney......and Karl Rove is Satan.
Never go full retard.....I love it!
drukenhard 2 years ago 3
u can come to my page and comment a video about the Marks of the Beast (Antichrist) on Obama's election day in his own state illinois
it's my featured video and i give a long explanation of the meaning of the Marks in my linked pages
KalachakraandOBeast 2 years ago
The bible is a myriad of stories only a person with little reasoning power could accept.
Dwicker64 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
You're just jealous because ppsimmons does the homework. Hell crazypills2 you probably voted for Nobama, that's why you're upset. Next thing you're gonna do is probably tell everyone you're one of his followers. I believe ppsimmons and I'm not ashamed because I'm doing my own research I don't believe everything I hear till I can see it myself. Nobama just has that personality about him that draws people to him and I don't like it.
teresacook761 2 years ago
Check the vid-responses. The video responding to this is done by someone who did do his homework. Also, not trusting a guy because he's popular is dumb. Why not say Elvis was the anti-christ? Or Kennidy? Or Michal Jackson? I'll admit, I voted Obama, not only because he seemed to have a good plan, but because the alternative scared me shitless. To Date, Obama's track-record as president has been admittedly less than optimal. I'm willing to give him three more years to catch up.
bdpickett 2 years ago
....and this is something, no pastor, no preacher, no annoynomus guy on youtue, no professor can do! Yeshua taught only what is between God and EACH individual is what matters, while not forsaking the fellowship of others, even if they doubt! I'm not trusting Obama simply becuz he's popular, that indeed is absurd, I don't trust him becuz i know that he's just another Rockefeller/bilderburg president, not for the best interests of the ppl but for the best interest of the ruling few! Plz...wake up
GnRrocker 2 years ago
nakakatakot grabe !
truabarton 2 years ago
My name is Honeybee in Greek. I've been trying to sting people all my life, but I didn't exactly get the response I expected...I have three kids now!hahaha Wow...this is stretching it. REALLY...
mmorgan0878 2 years ago
When I began to think for myself, it was then that I realized Human Rationality does not equate Reality! U claim that rationality is important, u claim that "u want us to start thinking for (ourselves)", yet your response shows that u are not thinking, you are reacting, with anger and with haughtiness! This is not rational either. In all your years being around us Christians, I'm surpirsed that u didn't learn that a relationship with God is more than a religion about God! Please bro, go back2God
GnRrocker 2 years ago
Go back2school.
True, rationality doesn't equal reality. Rationality equals not letting a book that claims to have all the answers stop you from looking. His response is lacking, but it his perogative to choose either to step up or just let it slide. He chose to let it slide. Check the video responses to meet a guy who didn't.
bdpickett 2 years ago
Yeshua came to destroy religion and the book you're talking about! It's funny how you've made further assumptions about what I believe regarding Obama when I spoke of no such thing! for it is written "not even the son knows when these times will come" so if the son does not even know, then who am I....or anyone else to claim to have that knowledge!! Go back2God bdpickett! I do not believe because of indoctrination, or become some book says so, but because God has touched me!
GnRrocker 2 years ago
shut up and read...before you open your mouth you claim your a christian and all the hooplas but again your an ass.
joaspiras 2 years ago
joaspiras,
I don't claim to be a christian. Read my profile.
crazypills2 2 years ago
CrazyPills2, I haven't checked into Mr. Simmon's claims of matching Hebrew/Aramaic words and their translations, but neither have you presented any worthwhile rebuttal that would substantiate anything. Your video was more of a waste of my time than Mr. Simmon's would have been.
GotChutzpah 2 years ago
I'm sorry you didn't like it GotChuztpah. The fact that you would entertain the notion from ppsimmons indicates a lot.
crazypills2 2 years ago
This is stupid!
BaKiTRISKELION 2 years ago
el presidenta is ancrist...lolz never go full retard! WTF yes bi ble codes are real oh noes!
cireyar 2 years ago
It may be a coincidence, but the info in the video is accurate. The word for heaven is shamayim, true. The aramaic for "high place" IS bamah. Don't use the straw-man argument. Let people decide for themselves.
GodotheInfantry 2 years ago
I think she was a jackal. His mother was a jackal!!!
GodotheInfantry 2 years ago
I think that the anti-christ from Revelation has been solved. He was Nero, the emperor of Rome. I could be off on a few things, but this guy was who John was talking about. He had to write Revelations in code because he was a captive, and saying that Nero was a devil wasn't exactly legal. Although to be fair, Nero would have been a very qualified devil of his time.
dannukesem 2 years ago
haha i was hoping this guy would go the barak obama direction and he did
damn i love christian idiots
theeyeisblind 2 years ago
"i want you people to start thinking for yourselves!"
Dude, seriously, I deeply, deeply respect you because of that single simple statement. if i could sub a second time 9and third and fourth just to show my appreciation...) I would.
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
Thanks spiritrunner6. Your kind words are appreciated.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Jesus is talking about the Barak Obama who runs the hala deli down the street. I go in and ask for a Black Forest ham sandwich and he looks at me with pure evil - pure evil, I tells ya. He's the
Antichrist.
Seriously, check out Steve Caruso's analysis on his Aramaic Blog. He does Aramaic translation for a living. I googled "the most ancient form of Hebrew" and found this and other informed discussions of this video.
Did Jesus say that the Antichrist would be the President of the US?
pirbird14 2 years ago
Thanks pirbird14, I'll check it out.
crazypills2 2 years ago
I loved the ending, and I sympathise with your agony about this kind of cerebral malfunction.
timeofwonder2009 2 years ago
Thanks timeofwonder2009. It is a little frustrating :-)
crazypills2 2 years ago
Yup, it is. I sent you a link to cheer you up.
timeofwonder2009 2 years ago
You are wrong. I am open to both PPSimons ideas and to logical arguments.
I think PPSimons video is both interesting and funny. But I do not think it is irrational the way you said.
You ranted. You did not really answer his video.
DURound 2 years ago
Hi DURound,
Ok, if you want a logical argument, here goes.
ppsimmons had several choices for Hebrew words that could be translated as 'heaven'. The most common of these words is 'SHAMAYIM'. But he chose 'BAMA' instead. Also, he left out the translation of 'from' in his argument. 'MIN' is its translation.
Here is an accurate Hebrew translation: "BARAQ MIN HA-SHAMAYIM." Not quite what he was looking for, huh?
He is ignorant at best, but more likely just plain dishonest.
crazypills2 2 years ago
That is a logical argument but it does not completely eliminate his argument.
That one choice was more common does not mean the second choice was not the one used.
Your description of him being ignorant is reactive and emotional not accurate based upon the video that you quoted and not logical.
I think more interesting questions would be: What were the words in Aramaic? And "are there instances in texts where someone else used this phrase in Aramaic and what words did they use?
DURound 2 years ago
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DURound,
Is confirmation bias rational?
Obviously Jesus could have used the less popular 'BAMA' for heaven. However, if you look at ppsimmons' page, you can easily see that he doesn't like President Obama. So, instead of letting the evidence determine his conclusion, he let his conclusion (desire) determine his evidence.
crazypills2 2 years ago
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This is irrational behavior. This becomes more obvious when you notice that he intentionally left out 'MIN' (from) and instead inserted 'O' that isn't in the text.
Is this behavior indicative of rational thought? I report, you decide :-)
crazypills2 2 years ago
I do not consider it irrational that he left out MIN and I also do not consider it important to his point. It may not be honest but that is something else.
The bottom line though is, that you and he are arguing about Hebrew when you should be looking at 1st Century Aramaic. Had you wanted to criticize rationally, that is the place to go.
DURound 2 years ago
Is confirmation bias rational? That is my critique.
crazypills2 2 years ago
I have become convinced that it is.
An example is the early 20th century (or perhaps late 19th century) experiment to measure the charge of an atom. The careful scientist who was doing the measurements recorded his findings in a book.
One day, he wrote in his book "All of these measurements must be false" This was before he supposedly should have known what the measure was if he had a clean and open mind. He was predisposed. Turned out.. he was right.
DURound 2 years ago
Having said that, I think that it is very important that the confirmational bias be associated with reasonable evidence for rationality to be imputed.
Simple assertions that are not based in evidence or questions that are focused on holes in data (argumentum ad ignoratiam) are probably irrational.
DURound 2 years ago
I should also point out that an argument that is irrational may still be valid... its just irrational.
DURound 2 years ago
One last thing... I do not think you raise the argument of confirmational bias in this video, and I was commenting on the video.
DURound 2 years ago
Yes, irrational arguments can be valid. However, they are never sound. For a syllogism to be effective it must be both.
crazypills2 2 years ago
However, they are never sound
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That seems like an irrational argument to me.
"For a syllogism to be effective it must be both"
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Where is that written?
DURound 2 years ago
Anyway... I am not sure his video is a syllogism.
DURound 2 years ago
I suggest you do a little research on deductive reasoning. If the premises of arguments are false, then the argument is not sound. And, if it is not sound, it is not convincing
crazypills2 2 years ago
If the premises of arguments are false, then the argument is not sound.
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Perhaps. But that is a different discussion, isn't it. We had not previously discussed the idea of premises being false.
And, if it is not sound, it is not convincing
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Your confirmatory bias is showing.
DURound 2 years ago
DURound,
I suggest you review both soundness of an argument and confirmation bias, as I don't think you understand either concept.
crazypills2 2 years ago
I suggest you review both soundness of an argument and confirmation bias, as I don't think you understand either concept.
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I did as you suggested and found that my understanding of both terms is correct
DURound 2 years ago
is "confirmatory" even a word? ;)
BobChaos23 2 years ago
You cannot associate confirmation bias with rational thinking. Now one who has a confirmation bias can end up being correct. However, that doesn't mean the reasoning was rational.
crazypills2 2 years ago
You cannot associate confirmation bias with rational thinking.
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But I have. Your emotional argument that it is impossible to do -- is simply refuted by the mere fact that I have done so.
What you may mean to say ... is that you reject it. I would accept that.
You reject it because it does not fit with your preconceived notions. You have a confirmational bias against it. Which is fine with me, but that is not the same thing as you being right.
DURound 2 years ago
* error -- the experiment was to measure the charge of an ELECTRON. Ooops.
DURound 2 years ago
DURound,
Do you really believe that confirmation bias is rational or are you simply trying to defend the argument you made? Are you saying that it is rational to only look for evidence that supports the things we already believe and ignore evidence to the contrary? If so, then what if you're wrong? How will you ever discover the truth?
By your logic, planning your life based on astrology is rational.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Do you really believe that confirmation bias is rational or are you simply trying to defend the argument you made?
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how about this: It CAN be rational and thus I am defending my position.
Are you saying that it is rational to only look for evidence that supports the things we already believe and ignore evidence to the contrary?
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I have not said that. It does not seem like something I would say. Sometimes however, it is ok to ignore evidence to the contrary.
DURound 2 years ago
I have not said that - DURound
Well maybe you didn't say it, but you implied it, as that is what confirmation bias is. It is a bias that only sees evidence that supports the beliefs one already has.
Now it is ok to dismiss 'evidence' to the contrary of a position. However, it should not be dismissed simply because its contrary. There should be justifiable reasons. Don't you agree?
crazypills2 2 years ago
Well maybe you didn't say it, but you implied it
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I did not imply it but you inferred it -- which is a minor example of confirmational bias, isn't it?
It is a bias that only sees evidence that supports the beliefs one already has
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I would not agree with that definition.
It should not be dismissed simply because its contrary.
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If it is contrary to the truth, it should be dismissed.
DURound 2 years ago
If it is contrary to the truth, it should be dismissed - DURound
How can one determine the truth if one is only looking for what they already believe?
crazypills2 2 years ago
How can one determine the truth if one is only looking for what they already believe?
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If what one believes is the truth, it is already determined.
DURound 2 years ago
There should be justifiable reasons. Don't you agree?
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How about this reasoning:
It does not seem to fit with the other evidence.. so I will reject it.
??
DURound 2 years ago
It does not seem to fit with the other evidence.. so I will reject it. - DURound
I like this statement, but this contradicts what you've been saying in this thread.
Maybe our problem is definitional. How do you define confirmation bias?
crazypills2 2 years ago
I like this statement, but this contradicts what you've been saying in this thread.
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I see it as consistent.
Maybe our problem is definitional. How do you define confirmation bias?
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The tendency for people to make connections, see patterns, use heuristics, accept information, reject information, solve problems etc. according to their understanding of how things work.
DURound 2 years ago
If so, then what if you're wrong? How will you ever discover the truth?
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You might not. But then you would be like most people. It is impossible to discover some truths through logic.
By your logic, planning your life based on astrology is rational.
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That is incorrect. This is not my logic. You are engaging in what is called STRAWMAN and it is not an honest technique in discussions.
DURound 2 years ago
However, since you bring it up, I can easily believe that under certain circumstances, basing one's life decisions on astrology could be very rational.
DURound 2 years ago
Maybe that's one of our differences. I think that, although truth can never be fully known, we can understand part of it through critical thinking skills. We must let the evidence lead us to our conclusions, not the other way around.
Regarding your strawman claim, let me ask two questions: 1) Do those who adhere to astrology practice confirmation bias? 2) Is this bias rational?
crazypills2 2 years ago
DURound 2 years ago
Or Jesus might not have been sayiing Heaven... maybe "the heights" or something of that nature.
It is irrelevant to me that he does not like Obama. And I do not care if one thought led to another. People make connections. That is is one of the unique attributes of human beings.
DURound 2 years ago
HAHAHA you totally should have done a satire!
gambleor 2 years ago
Thanks for the good work. I actually knew a guy who believed something along these lines. I couldn't get the full story because he refused to talk to me after I told him I was an atheist. I'm going to lie about that from now on so I can hear more crazy shit.
cosmicjackpot 2 years ago
caosmicjackpot,
There's plenty of crazy shit out there to be heard :-)
crazypills2 2 years ago
well, he was right about 'barack' which meant lightnin. but so does the name Ben means son, there are lots of hebrew\arabic names out there.
the point is:
obama has no meaning in hebrew language. aramaic? might be, but i don't speak it, not did he look for aramaic words.
way to go crazypills! put this bullshitter in his right place!
DannaS22 2 years ago
Thanks for your support DannaS22.
crazypills2 2 years ago
One more think DannaS22. As a speaker of Hebrew, thanks for not making fun of my pronunciation of SHAMAYIM :-)
crazypills2 2 years ago
dear steve, it was a privet fun to make ;)
keep making them vids!
DannaS22 2 years ago
'la' (or rather 'le') as he said, really joins concepts 2gether, but in the meaning of 'into\ to smthg or somewhere' if anything. and how he connected it to the latin o or u, i can't begin to understand. and it's not a letter you dummy, it's a preposition. the letter he was looking for is 'lamed'.
DannaS22 2 years ago
he's indeed a retard.
ask a hebrew speaker, he'll confirm it.
'bama' (the ascent on the last a, not the first one) is in fact a hebrew word for stage, or forum. nothing sacred or heavenly.
DannaS22 2 years ago
"...Aramaic, which is the most ancient form of Hebrew." Whaaaaat?
Nomiss9 2 years ago
Nomiss9,
I did crack a smile when I heard that.
crazypills2 2 years ago
crazy pills this was great love the end lmao i had no idea your dad was or is a pastor what does he think of you know and were you shund by your family mine have been ok they just think this is a phase or that i was never a real christian.although im not a loud to talk to her dad about religion or she said she would divorce me they are super religious she is an atheist like me but a closet case.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
nonproofforjesus,
My father and mother are both disappointed by my decision, but I have a very good relationship with both of them. They still try to get me to come back to the faith, but it's because the love me and are genuinely concerned about me.
crazypills2 2 years ago
my mother used to sing on tbn and for a short time had a christian record out and toured around the states but gave it up because it took her away from the family. she has always been head of the choir, so i was at church 3 to 4 times per week are world revolved around it her life still does. she like your parents thinks i will come back to the faith and thinks Satan has his grip on me but she loves me the same and has never shund me so there is something even religion cant break.
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
if obama is the anti Christ you Christians should be happy as the end is near and your lord is close but if obam does his term and lose as i hope or if he wins again and nothing happens will you people stop with the crazy talk about the anti Christ you guy said the anti Christ will come out of Rome or Europe then it was the middle east now its obama please how many times can you guys get it wrong. not only this the church from the start 2000 yrs ago has thought the end was near. please stop!!!
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
this guy is crazy i have a question for any one who thinks obama is the anti Christ isn't the anti Christ supposed to join the whole world together and everyone follows him because he can do no wrong he is supposed to be perfect and everyone is supposed to love him. the fact is i think he is an ass but so does half the country so this doesn't sound like everyone loves him and on top of this he cant even pass any of his programs with out tons of grief.again this is not the role of the anti christ
noproofforjesus 2 years ago
Years ago, I watched a program depicting the prophecies of Nostradamus. I remember one segment concerning the anti-christ and how the producers/narrators/whoever had decided that the translation meant it would come from the Middle East. My minister grabbed right ahold of that and preached about it for weeks on end. I was convinced it was Saddam Hussein. Guess not.
debbieomi 2 years ago
debbieomni,
When I grew up, we were convinced it was Henry Kissinger. As I posted earlier, if you assign numbers to the letters of the alphabet (a = 6, b = 12, c = 18, etc.), his name adds up to 666.
crazypills2 2 years ago
"Satan as Lightning" That Satan guy certainly knows how to make an entrance. Barack Obama is the AntiChrist.....bloody hilarious. Here's a game for the kiddies. Trawl the bible...and see if you can construct the AntiChrist's name for your Uncle's name. You might find it surprisingly easy.
cobol528 2 years ago
You're probably right cobol528.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Not every Christian believes in some kooky Chuck Missler "regurg" of the Scriptures, Steve. Non-the-less, your point is valid. ;-)
"Don't go full retard."
LOL - I nearly ppsimmonsed @ that one!
justchemicalz 2 years ago
justchemicalz,
I do understand that not all christians believe this crap, and this video wasn't intended for them.
I'm glad you were able to stop laughing before you ppsimmonsed in your pants.
crazypills2 2 years ago
LOL RFD. Maybe you should do a scholarly debunk of this crap.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Seeing as how a large majority of Theists refuse to get vaccines I doubt we will have to deal with their cults much longer
GodKillerAtheist 2 years ago
GodKillerAtheist,
LOL...the only problem is that this kind of behavior affects the herd immunity.
crazypills2 2 years ago
yep natural selection at its finest =D
GodKillerAtheist 2 years ago
According to the newest report from the US Centers for Disease Control, 76.1% of all children in the US are immunized. Sorry to burst that particular bubble. :-(
debbieomi 2 years ago
For swine flu? I think not. you should look at the fundies channels they are currently rebelling against all vaccines.
Unless that report is from last month it doesn't reflect the current state of propaganda spewing forth from the christian reich
GodKillerAtheist 2 years ago
I thought you were talking about immunizations in general.
But, I still don't think most Christians will forego the H1N1 shot. That's more the conspiracy theorists. Most adults in my area who don't get flu shots yearly don't have insurance to cover it or they can't afford it themselves. We have about 10 churches in my town and not one is preaching against it. In fact, two will be holding clinics in their buildings. YT channels may not be the best to judge what is happening in the real world.
debbieomi 2 years ago
who knows
GodKillerAtheist 2 years ago
Thanks PaganSteve. One of my favorite clips from RD jr.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Oh I LOLed at the end of ppsimmons's video, when I heard OABAMA's name. These people are idiots!!! I wont be rolerant and say it again. IDIOTS!!!
ricardas83 2 years ago
I was shocked too ricardas83.
crazypills2 2 years ago
You hit the nail on the head - it's pointless to offer a reasonable rebuttal. Anyone who would buy into the stupidity of the original video is already convinced, and wouldn't accept any rebuttal, however reasonable that rebuttal might be.
Orsbore 2 years ago
Orsbore,
Sometimes I feel like I'm wasting my time making videos. And, maybe I am. I've definitely grown more cynical over the past year. However, I still hold some hope that there are those who will begin to think for themselves.
crazypills2 2 years ago
You aren't wasting your time. People everywhere are waking up to the manipulative lunacy of religion. The more voices there are pointing out the madness, the faster the process will occur, and your voice is a very good one; you're precise, rational, and without undue malice.
Don't expect to win over the hardcore believers. The battle right now is for the fencesitters, and for those who have never given it much thought. Encouraging these people to think is how the war will be won.
Orsbore 2 years ago
What the thinker thinks, the prover proves.
If one starts with *any* premise, given enough ingenuity on the part of the observer, they will be able to find sufficient evidence to support their premise.
kevinbenko 2 years ago
I wish you were wrong kevinbenko, but I can't really refute what you are saying.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Terry pratchett calls it 'Creative storytelling'. The manipulating of figures through omissions and convenient 'looking of the other way' if contrary evidence pokes its head and violates a person's theory.
I like Terry pratchett.
Spiritrunner6 2 years ago
Holy fuckin moly!
OMG It's Barak Obama!!!
hotspur2514 2 years ago
That's the word on the street hotspur2514 :-)
crazypills2 2 years ago
I always thought he WAS pretty street - BUT THE FUCKING ANTI-CHRIST??
I'm losing my mind!!!!
hotspur2514 2 years ago
Excellent video! These damn fundies have crazy imaginations!
deathheim1 2 years ago
Thank you deathheim1.
crazypills2 2 years ago
Yes, the problem is not seeing the utter insanity in this. The problem is figuring out - what the fuck to do about it. As you said, people who believe it or even entertain the notion, are not exactly open to rational arguments against it and are only trivially effected by mockery.
Oh we are in such fucking trouble as a species. Take care of the Christians, and you still have the Muslims to tend to. I don't toss words like "hopeless" around casually, but...
AncientAtheist 2 years ago
I have some hope AncientAtheist, as I was once one of them. The key is educating the young...teaching them critical thinking skills.
crazypills2 2 years ago
This reminds me of the backwards masking bullshit around heavy metal bands.
I think the antidote for this might be the same. Take the same method and apply it to random instances... PPSimmons, Geerup, Pat Robertson, Jesus H Christ etc... and see which if any can be converted into portents of doom via the same method. A handful of good examples should prove to most of those christians not totally lost to reason that this is a bogus claim.
AnonEyeMouse 2 years ago
Great video. pp-whatever was pulling a Nostradamian bullshit tactic.
MagnusIan 2 years ago
Thanks Magnuslan.
crazypills2 2 years ago
long live De-rek Zoo-lan-der!
Brandt761 2 years ago
For your information the ppsimmons info does not originally come from a Christian source, so you got that totally wrong crazypills2.
I think crazypills' hatred of Xtians is clouding his judgement. If you check out Luke 10:18 with a dictionary for yourselves, instead of believing an ex-Christian with an axe to grind, you will see that ppsimmons is correct.
Sollogvids 2 years ago
Sollogvids,
There are several problems with his video. First of all, the word he chose to use for 'heaven' is not the most commonly used Hebrew word. The most common word is 'SHAMAYIM'. Secondly, Instead of translating 'from' as 'MIN', he leaves this out, since "Baraq Min Ha-Shamayim" doesn't quite work with his argument
crazypills2 2 years ago