2: Spiritual Machines (Kevin Kelly and Ken Wilber - Exploring the Technium)

[VirianFlux]

Kevin Kelly seems ignorant to why Ray Kurzweil wants AGI.

Ray even says if a different substrate is required than silicon, then it may be done.

It is very possible that collective intelligence could be a safer alternative though.

Taking the hypothesis that regular spirit requires some kind of Morphic field/ quantum network on board, doesn't deny the fact that the collective intelligence of the internet and other conciousness forms could allow different embodiments of spirit. Humbleness needed!

[LooksAeterna]

This interview could have been much shorter. A quick definition of pan-en-theism, of the contributions by Aurobindo and Teilhard de Chardin, and then only contributions by these two gentlemen: that the technium would have to be considered as part of this spiritual evolution. Total: perhaps 20 minutes.

Having listened to a lot of Terence McKenna, this topic is sort of nothing new anyhow. I would have enjoyed hearing more about Kelly's conversion experience instead.

[LooksAeterna]

20:51 - 20:58 : this is typical of the amateur poppycock pseudo-philosophy dealt out by such would be s as Wilber and Kelly - regardless of the much appreciated true contributions they also put out:

Gödelns theorems (plural, not "theorem" sic !) do NOT AT ALL "reveal the inherent contradictions in any logical system as unavoidable" !

If you, Kevin and Ken, deal with matters beyond your Ken (pun intended), please at least Sokratically acknowledge that in front of yourself and others. Ridiculous

[SentientMachines]

Interesting ideas here.

Great interview.

[S2Cents]

b.s. this Robot soul business

[mermadeinheaven]

When we begin making computerized technologies that can facilitate the process of realizing our true nature, while reducing the time-to-enlightenment from 30 years of meditating in a Himalayan cave to under 1 hour sitting at your personal computer, it will signify a massive break-through.

Question is, will it be allowed to happen?

[jazzemagic]

I found this to be surprisingly interesting. I speak as one who sees himself as an extremely skeptical bloke who has that he most otherworldly spiritual experiences with magic mushrooms and ayahuasca. Strange, but true.