United 585 "Faulty Flip"

[6400az]

What in the world is an "uncomanded" rudder lock. I'm assuming it's more computer shit right.

[flamenquera]

Looks bad and I like all your videos!

[nuttenglotzer007]

???!!!



[hellodudes3000]

Why do they have landing gear there?

[empassable]

marialovesmarvin - he was attempting to lift up to abort the landing and do a fly around. 

[kralle98]

Hidden danger!

[marialovesmarvin]

why does capt call fifteen flaps when inverted?

[demonhorizon]

@marialovesmarvin think its better control at lower speeds so hes aiming for more control i not sure

[luckysod04]

WRITE-OFF

[Chic01taliano]

@aircrashinvest it spells rudder not ruder

[DaFSXLegend747]

where did u get this plane?

[akibaforyou]

i had flown on this exact plane from denver to co springs and on the same trip had flown flight 232 from chicago to denver so i do not fly anymore

[applehaz]

whose the f/o ?

[xSkullbusterx]

@applehaz First Officer, The co-pilot

[applehaz]

@xSkullbusterx thank you

[fusock]

U never show it land. You always fade to black. Make your fucking videos more realistic.

[pleasechoosepeace]

is crash



[Iamfukenripped]

Man, all i can say is what a horrible crash.

[ThreeSevenSpeedway]

What kind of model are you using for this FS2004 recreation

[kingmaster450]

i mean eastwind 517. And yes silkair 185

[kingmaster450]

here are similar ones: USAir 427, Eastwinds 517 (landed safely)

[B747lover]

And SilkAir 185 (Singapore Airlines Owned)

[d0rkiishchris]

apparently during the last incident the pilot on a hunch tried the same direction rudder since the rudder input that would normally correct the motion was allready full on the pedal. So he nailed left rudder even though the rudder was acting as if it was already full left. It fixed it because the actuator was working opposite. He was going to die but saved his and everyone elses life on a whim.

[theknightlynews]

That is not what the report said. And it is not what Bishop himself said in interviews. He said he stepped hard on the proper rudder pedal. Eastwinds 517 survived because he was standing with his full weight on the pedal, and because he was flying at a faster speed which gave the ailerons more influence. And ultimately, the rudder hardover corrected itself otherwise landing would have been impossible.

[theknightlynews]

There is a simulation of Bishop's rudder inputs during the event at the NTSB website. Look for

events/usair427/manikin_517.rm

I can't post the full link due to youtube filters

[RunTheRockers]

Wow.

[ scream ]

totally shows what really happened on 585.

[redgd]

Habbadou?! Stop your crazy lies you bloody psycho!!!

[d0rkiishchris]

redgd. You're a jackass. The 737 had a rudder actuator that was faulty that went undiagnosed after 2 or 3 terrible accidents. (bout a 10 year span) The rudder would go full left or right on its own yet applying opposite rudder would have no effect. Apparently when the actuator was cooled then warmed up again (after decent) it would do things on its own, and respond to reverse inputs from the pilot. All 737s have been since fixed.

[habbadou]

As far as I know, the 737 had rudder problems for years and several crashes before it was discovered. Makes me wonder what happened on the old Frontier Airlines 737 I was on that went into a steep dive for a couple seconds after we came over the Rockies near Denver. Coincidentally, 585 was an old Frontier airlines plane bought by UAL.

[pokefanj]

the plane turn sharply to the right not to the left

[Putterware]

According to the NTSB report, if the rudder's secondary servo valve jammed(the sleeve valve) the primary valve could travel too far and actually end up reversing the flow of the hydraulic fluid, aka "cross flow". This causes the pilot to think they're applying rudder in one direction when in actuality the rudder is moving in the opposite direction.

[guitarruler1432]

didnt the rudder servo valve fail or was that a different crash??

[planelover195]

rudder servo fail when it gets cold then it warms up and it reversed the action cause it got to far and it took i think about 1.8 milion dollars to fix all 737

[midiboy]

585 rolled right, not left.

[ard767]

midiboy

Yep. The related accident, USAir 427, was a mirror image, and it rolled left.

[LilLee965]

@ard767 what starts to make that happen .flips and rolls ? is it all mechanical or pilot error. or am i evean asking the correct questions.i do not have alot of knowledge of plane and pilot or instrumental devices of that matter.im in da,lolol but i am interested in learning and getting the knowledge of aviation. thank you.

[Ladieslover1234]

Dude u got it all wrong it was a ruder problem not the ailerons that got jamed

[KustomCompBuilder]

I think he knows but on a Sim you cant flip it using the rudder.

[AndyMcArren1356]

you can but it is slow to flip it over.

[zbeast]

The Ntsb gives this reason for the crash.

Discovery of the PCU (power control unit) recovered from the wreckage showed wiring to the solenoid was loose and the circuit intermitent, this could have been the cause of the uncommanded rudder yaws in previous flights. Also the weather conditions in mountain ranges were looked at.

[kdraper2007]

Boeing borrowed Purdue university's Boeing 737 to figure out what went wrong. in return after they were finished, they refurbished the whole plane.

[misled1982]

Is the lively correct? I mean, I thinjk the stripes weren't THAt orange, cool vid thou

[JoshuaME89723EA]

This is a flight simulator recreation not a live vid.

[jzair]

it flip the wrong way!!!!!!!!!!

that's 427

[GinoRc]

Yes, he should rent a real 737, and crash it uh?

WTF are you talking about? the video is good.

[MNSLproductions]

Oh wait dammit I keep on thinking of the wrong flights. sorry guys I was talking about flight 587.

[MNSLproductions]

1. the plane was under turbulance, 2.the planes rudder broke of. 3. they did not make a flip idiot the plane did it by itself

[charlieechovictor]

the rudder did not brake but jamed in critical position.

[filmfast]

The rudder was reversed when they pushed on the pedel.

[MNSLproductions]

no It broke off.

[geardude56]

no it didn't

[MNSLproductions]

didnt what?

[MattEvangelist]

the plane rolled to the right.

[zenmachinefilms]

Left out some of the CVR dialog, but still, good visual.

[jwyingst]

Was this the Pittsburgh crash?

[esidc]

same problem, different place. this happened in Colorado Springs.

[MattEvangelist]

No, that's US Air 427

[sarkizmutafyan]

it flips on the opposite direction but great job anyway :)

[g33ky898]

the rudder was deflected not alerions were broken but great video =)

[Laudan08]

Sorry, but UA585 spins to the "LEFT", not "RIGHT".

[jorgemartinez18]

Um...sorry pal, but you're wrong. United 585 rolls to the right, not the left. USAir 427 rolled to the left. Check out the video's Hidden Danger under Air Crash Investagation.

[mrdavidjames]

I like your video re-enactments...lets us see what happened instesd of reading about it. Just a small bit of advise though....dont use RED as your font color. It tends to "bleed" and become hard to read. Black is always a safe bet.

[FLT111]

u say that u were gona upload ASA 529 ? but this is an awsome video

[stormchaser3751]

Don't worry man. I was the one that told him to post this on. Just send him a request and he'll see what he can do.

[FLT111]

orite thanx hey im gona suggest u on my channle cause u have some awosme videos i als suggested aircrashinvest

[Sidekick4Life]

Great Video!

One Question.Where did you get the Plane?