can you please edit the video with caption for the distance please? thanks Ben and you and others are inspiring me to get more serious with IDPA. Thank you and God Speed...
Thanks... I read the whole IDPA rulebook and last month I went on my first local IDPA match and I placed 1st UN ESP, 2nd UN ESP & SSP and I placed 14th overall. Awessssooommme!!! IDPA is so much fun!!! I'm getting ready for next week's match, I can hardly wait!!!
Great run there! I just shot my first Classifier with my Ruger SR40 (they class me in ESP...sidebar, is that about right?)...missed moving up from Novice by 3.88 with a score of 193.88 overall....my long distance stage was horrible and with my back issues I don't expect to be anywhere near your speed but it's a good time and I hope to improve!
Great shooting! My first IDPA match is this Saturday, and I am excited. I am shooting a Glock 30 and I have 4 magazines and only 2 magazine single pouches. Can I use my pockets until I get one that holds 3 or 4? Thanks for the vid.
@Model29Lover For most IDPA matches you only need 3 magazines. When it is your turn to shoot the RO will tell you to load and make ready, so now you have one magazine in your pistol and 2 on your belt. So carrying your 3rd mag in your pocket is perfectly fine. For the most part IDPA stages all start with 31 rounds of ammo (one in your chamber and 10 in the magazine and then your two 10-round back up magazines on your side).
hey guys my S&W6906 is in the shop n i got an IDPA match tomorrow morn so I am shooting my"good old faithfull" kel-tec Pll does anyone know what division this gun is under? is it ssp or what? if u know the answer get back to me b4 9 am tomorrow thanks
Question on the Tac reload... I noticed you just pocketed the old mag then inserted the new one. Is this okay? I thought you needed to get a new mag, swap em, then pocket the old one. Just curious, cuz your way is much faster.
My technique is called a "Reload with retention". As far as IDPA rules are concerned, you are good to go. You just need to retain the old mag below your beltline before you fire the next shot.
It seems faster that "tactical", so I think I am going to switch to this when doing the classifier.
Another question while I have ya...
Is there a rule to how far you can come out on the barricade and barrel? Do they care how far down you are at the barrel, or is touching your knee enough. The rules don't really specify.
What the gentlemen in the video performed was a tactical reload. What you describe is called reload with retention. They are both very similar and the difference is negligible for the everyday shooter although there are advantages to each reload in a gun fight.
@crashmcwhly Each "point down" adds a half a second to your shooting time. Just got to the IDPA website and look at an official target and you will see the target zones.
Absolutely beautiful shooting. They really need to make more classes above master, or at least alter the times. You should have something to show for shooting it under half the time required.
Great job! I've only shot 4 matches, two of which happen to be classifiers. made it to SSP SS on the second one last month. Sooooo...I appreciate your performance and truly understand what it takes to get there! Well done.
Great job Ben. Sub 60 second is a stellar performance. I think way back when IDPA was just getting started, Leatham shot the classifier in the low 60s. Incredible. People don't and most can't appreciate this feat.
Great classifier,,,if you don't mind answering how long had you been shooting IDPA when you shot that classifier and what division were you in...How'd u end up - - Sharpshooter or Expert :),,,hope you don't mind the newbie questions.
At 59.4 seconds he easily makes Master. Anything quicker than 89.41 seconds makes Master in ESP. Anything quicker than 98.82 seconds makes Master in SSP. So, ... he smoked it!
the scenarios are real world too dude. yeah they dont shoot back but the exercises are simulations of how you would shoot assailants in reality. When SWAT train, their targets dont shoot back neither. You dont shoot IDPA dude. Cause you wont be this dumb if you did
I just took 1st place in SSP in the 2009 Arkansas State Champonship, shooting as an SSP Master. I think I know a thing or two about IDPA.
And IDPA is absolutely a game. We shoot for lowest overall time, using guns/holsters/concealment you wouldn't wear on the street.
And Ben is one of the best there is at the game. Would you guys find somewhere else to argue? Ben's video comments are hardly the place for a discussion about the spirit of the sport.
@MemphisMechanic well really IDPA was created as an off shoot of ISPCA people got sick of the weapons races that exist in ISPCA & others like it so they created a comp that anyone can afford, you will always get gamers at every shoot, I finish in the top 8 at every match in PA that I shoot, But i rarly game, I shoot IDPA as more of practice i use the same gun & rig i use to carry daily so do a lot of shooters
I am not at all involved in or interested in any form of tactical training of any kind. I am well aware of the issues you bring up but it in no way has anything to do with what I am working on. I understand what IDPA is and what it is all about. I do not take an interest in the tactical end of things. I appreciate the help you are offering, but please understand that I dont want it. No offense.
He made it look easy, 59 seconds. That made Master. I don't know Mr. Stoeger, but from that score and his gun handling ability, he's probably a GM in USPSA. He has sent a truck load of bullets down range.
People should try this COF before starting to offer any gun handling advice.
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You know who taught me proper follow-thru? A guy named Larry Vickers.
Perhaps you should research who he is and his significance regarding IDPA and much more before you go criticising HIS, not my, advice!!!
Mr. Stoeger is obviousy an accomplished shooter. He also has apparently developed a tactically bad habit he would be well-advised to divest himself of. If you can think of a good reason he sould not guitrich, please fell free to share it with the rest of us.
can you please edit the video with caption for the distance please? thanks Ben and you and others are inspiring me to get more serious with IDPA. Thank you and God Speed...
koolmike79 2 months ago
@koolmike79 The IDPA rulebook has the classifier description
waktasz 2 months ago
@waktasz
Thanks... I read the whole IDPA rulebook and last month I went on my first local IDPA match and I placed 1st UN ESP, 2nd UN ESP & SSP and I placed 14th overall. Awessssooommme!!! IDPA is so much fun!!! I'm getting ready for next week's match, I can hardly wait!!!
koolmike79 2 months ago
Question about the reloads. I was under the impression that it was a Tac reload not a reload with retention.
AirCav24 3 months ago
On the last drill, doing a proper tac reload and stowing mag while booking to next position seems to be faster them RWR, THEN moving to the 15
theblackkknight1 4 months ago
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Very fast!!! But I can't not see you target
pongler 5 months ago
lol, and people were laughing at me for smoky gun powers!!
Great video!
mifslim 5 months ago
Great run there! I just shot my first Classifier with my Ruger SR40 (they class me in ESP...sidebar, is that about right?)...missed moving up from Novice by 3.88 with a score of 193.88 overall....my long distance stage was horrible and with my back issues I don't expect to be anywhere near your speed but it's a good time and I hope to improve!
GloryDaysRacing 6 months ago
Very fast!!!
golf0312 10 months ago
Very nice
Uomu1 11 months ago
Great shooting! My first IDPA match is this Saturday, and I am excited. I am shooting a Glock 30 and I have 4 magazines and only 2 magazine single pouches. Can I use my pockets until I get one that holds 3 or 4? Thanks for the vid.
Model29Lover 1 year ago
@Model29Lover For most IDPA matches you only need 3 magazines. When it is your turn to shoot the RO will tell you to load and make ready, so now you have one magazine in your pistol and 2 on your belt. So carrying your 3rd mag in your pocket is perfectly fine. For the most part IDPA stages all start with 31 rounds of ammo (one in your chamber and 10 in the magazine and then your two 10-round back up magazines on your side).
I hope this helps.
rockclimber747 1 year ago
@arkangel8419 What club do you shoot at in PA?
clancyfan4000 1 year ago
You're cute:D
Dancer0999 1 year ago
wow i wish they showed the whole thing and told wha tthe course of fire was....but still really nice classifier run
arkangel8419 1 year ago
hey guys my S&W6906 is in the shop n i got an IDPA match tomorrow morn so I am shooting my"good old faithfull" kel-tec Pll does anyone know what division this gun is under? is it ssp or what? if u know the answer get back to me b4 9 am tomorrow thanks
arkangel8419 1 year ago
They need more divisions.
Sub 60 should be called Jedi. :)
Any idea what the fastest recorded Classifier is?
tdo79 1 year ago
Question on the Tac reload... I noticed you just pocketed the old mag then inserted the new one. Is this okay? I thought you needed to get a new mag, swap em, then pocket the old one. Just curious, cuz your way is much faster.
tdo79 1 year ago
@tdo79
My technique is called a "Reload with retention". As far as IDPA rules are concerned, you are good to go. You just need to retain the old mag below your beltline before you fire the next shot.
Elbeno007 1 year ago
@Elbeno007
It seems faster that "tactical", so I think I am going to switch to this when doing the classifier.
Another question while I have ya...
Is there a rule to how far you can come out on the barricade and barrel? Do they care how far down you are at the barrel, or is touching your knee enough. The rules don't really specify.
tdo79 1 year ago
@tdo79
For "Low Cover" positions, you need to have a knee down and keep your lower body behind cover.
Elbeno007 1 year ago
@tdo79
What the gentlemen in the video performed was a tactical reload. What you describe is called reload with retention. They are both very similar and the difference is negligible for the everyday shooter although there are advantages to each reload in a gun fight.
oprime123 1 month ago
Smokin!
tdo79 1 year ago
Amazing Achievement- congratulations!
scubywrxr 2 years ago
SMOKIN!!! Very strong!
jcraigshelton 2 years ago
What are "points down" and how are they assessed?
crashmcwhly 2 years ago
The center-chest and head are zero points down.
Missing the heart-zone results in either 1 or 3 penalty points PER SHOT, depending on badly you miss.
Shooting the entire classifier with 6 down is absurdly accurate.
MemphisMechanic 2 years ago
@crashmcwhly Each "point down" adds a half a second to your shooting time. Just got to the IDPA website and look at an official target and you will see the target zones.
rockclimber747 1 year ago
Absolutely beautiful shooting. They really need to make more classes above master, or at least alter the times. You should have something to show for shooting it under half the time required.
Sorry about all the douche-bag haters who posted.
tdo79 2 years ago
Don't you have to wear a cover garment for IDPA?
PAGunGuy 2 years ago
not for the classifier
damnyankee1965 2 years ago
Ben,
Great job! I've only shot 4 matches, two of which happen to be classifiers. made it to SSP SS on the second one last month. Sooooo...I appreciate your performance and truly understand what it takes to get there! Well done.
flmtber1 2 years ago
Gun is a Beretta 92G Elite 2
Bullets are 147 Grain Moly Coated from Black Bullets International
Elbeno007 2 years ago
what class and what handgun? What type of bullets? thanks
FieldBoy111 2 years ago
Great job Ben. Sub 60 second is a stellar performance. I think way back when IDPA was just getting started, Leatham shot the classifier in the low 60s. Incredible. People don't and most can't appreciate this feat.
guitrich 2 years ago 6
Excellent video. Thanks for posting!
SuperSetCA 2 years ago 3
i did one of these. Guess what! I am a novice ESP... Ouch I suck
DifficultDays 2 years ago
Great classifier,,,if you don't mind answering how long had you been shooting IDPA when you shot that classifier and what division were you in...How'd u end up - - Sharpshooter or Expert :),,,hope you don't mind the newbie questions.
chdefiant 2 years ago
At 59.4 seconds he easily makes Master. Anything quicker than 89.41 seconds makes Master in ESP. Anything quicker than 98.82 seconds makes Master in SSP. So, ... he smoked it!
SludgeSlinger 2 years ago 2
Simply Incredible! If you have done a classifier, you understand. Great Shooting.
airtechjr 2 years ago 2
Nicely done. My only recommendation would be to ad an annotation explaining the COF for each stage.
ReDact45 2 years ago
the scenarios are real world too dude. yeah they dont shoot back but the exercises are simulations of how you would shoot assailants in reality. When SWAT train, their targets dont shoot back neither. You dont shoot IDPA dude. Cause you wont be this dumb if you did
bandtwitch 2 years ago
I just took 1st place in SSP in the 2009 Arkansas State Champonship, shooting as an SSP Master. I think I know a thing or two about IDPA.
And IDPA is absolutely a game. We shoot for lowest overall time, using guns/holsters/concealment you wouldn't wear on the street.
And Ben is one of the best there is at the game. Would you guys find somewhere else to argue? Ben's video comments are hardly the place for a discussion about the spirit of the sport.
MemphisMechanic 2 years ago 8
@MemphisMechanic well really IDPA was created as an off shoot of ISPCA people got sick of the weapons races that exist in ISPCA & others like it so they created a comp that anyone can afford, you will always get gamers at every shoot, I finish in the top 8 at every match in PA that I shoot, But i rarly game, I shoot IDPA as more of practice i use the same gun & rig i use to carry daily so do a lot of shooters
arkangel8419 1 year ago
hglock31, you're a moron. idpa is based on real world scenario. go read the definition on their website dumbfuck
bandtwitch 2 years ago
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This guy would be disqualified. It is my understanding that the gun needs to be concealed in the classifier.
DifficultDays 2 years ago
Your understanding is not correct.
From the rulebook, page 13 :
CoF 13. Use concealment for scenario stages when
appropriate.
obviously, the classifier is not a "scenario" stage, hence it does not require use of concealment.
Elbeno007 2 years ago
Black Plague: you have the answer from the owner of the video. End of that story.
As for LAV, I know him very well.
guitrich 2 years ago
Then you should know his opinion as well.
BlackPlague1966 2 years ago
And if I remember right, I asked you, not him.
BlackPlague1966 2 years ago
Black Plague,
I am not at all involved in or interested in any form of tactical training of any kind. I am well aware of the issues you bring up but it in no way has anything to do with what I am working on. I understand what IDPA is and what it is all about. I do not take an interest in the tactical end of things. I appreciate the help you are offering, but please understand that I dont want it. No offense.
Ben Stoeger
Elbeno007 2 years ago
He made it look easy, 59 seconds. That made Master. I don't know Mr. Stoeger, but from that score and his gun handling ability, he's probably a GM in USPSA. He has sent a truck load of bullets down range.
People should try this COF before starting to offer any gun handling advice.
guitrich 2 years ago 3
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BlackPlague1966 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
You know who taught me proper follow-thru? A guy named Larry Vickers.
Perhaps you should research who he is and his significance regarding IDPA and much more before you go criticising HIS, not my, advice!!!
Mr. Stoeger is obviousy an accomplished shooter. He also has apparently developed a tactically bad habit he would be well-advised to divest himself of. If you can think of a good reason he sould not guitrich, please fell free to share it with the rest of us.
BlackPlague1966 2 years ago
Don't be in such a hurry to holster your weapon. Follow-thru scan and assess. Do an admin reload if necessary and re-holster
BlackPlague1966 2 years ago
@BlackPlague1966 Why don't you demonstrate for us in a video, since you are so "high-speed/low-drag".
Model29Lover 1 year ago