John McCain On Religion and Politics

[KeshnerfFilms]

You can't just teach FACTS in schools...

[TheYazzx]

Any civilization without religion will eventually fall. You have to teach both schools of thought regardless of which one is right or wrong, then people will divide in 2 groups, so you can easily conquer ... ;)

[Juanster23]

This man is dumb.

[CupisHomines]

so what divine authority is null. spook or none. shit if i give damn bout creation

got the luciferian attitude

[mklmklmkl22]

We are a pastafarian nation, founded on pastafarian principles. ;)

[Lennon4ever1]

Which Christian principles are they John McCain?? Stoning homosexuals to death? Being executed if you eat shellfish or gather sticks on the sabbath?How about killing your own child as a sacrifice to your blood-thirsty imaginary God?

[zsifk]

Whose the bold guide? Was he not a witness in some congressional hearing lead by Dennis Kucinich?

[22natwest]

Enough scientists believe in this? I thought the last statistic said only 7.5% of all scientists believed in creationism.  How is that enough?

[vottoduder]

I am so glad that Mccain lost the election. Im tired of living in the Dark Ages.

[thereturnofluis]

schmuck!

[Isuckatpaintball2]

if they did that they better teach me about the goddamn flying spaghetti monster

[Bfffness]

@Isuckatpaintball2 hahahaha... seriously, how many different "science" classes would we have to take.. religion is FAITH... that's the key word, what part of that can't these people understand.. do they have any idea how important it is in science to show physical evidence to support your hypotheses?!

[Isuckatpaintball2]

@Bfffness heres my support it's more peaceful than Christianity and makes just as much sense!

[Bfffness]

@Isuckatpaintball2 yea but the point is that science always has to be testable.. any other ideas aren't considered science. Whether religion is right or wrong, peaceful or not, is not the issue... the fact is: there's just no way to teach a religious-based science class and be able to call it science because science attempts to remain as physical as possible, introducing religion into a classroom would make that impossible. We can't test what is impossible to perceive... no testing = no science!

[illusionstateofmind]

@Bfffness Bfffness, how does it feel to know the truth? WOW! I am not alone!

[hardcoreqb14]

Come on McCain- here's what you say "if we tell students that the way that the world was created is this way" then that's all they get to hear. It can not be without a reasonable doubt that it was proven by the Big Bang- its a theory. How can you teach this theory as anything more than that? It's being taught as a fact and the only fact! ? Because of its incertainty why not present the opposing beliefs?

[amberjohnston1989]

Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. [George Washington, letter to Sir Edward Newenham, June 22, 1792]

[TheROCKandOrROLL]

LOL

[TheROCKandOrROLL]

But McCains a good man with a good heart and that is what matters. Who cares if he thinks that the founding fathers were all Christians. What he said about the teachings fo Christ is true, and if you don't agree with it, for the safety of our country, we should beat you to a bloody pulp.

[DadoPennsylvania]

@TheROCKandOrROLL WOW I hope you are just kidding

[Bfffness]

@TheROCKandOrROLL first, you say you hate politicians that don't know what they're talking about, then you say who cares. U are the one switching positions.

Good heart? what has he done to show you that he has a good heart? and besides, we can't elect a person just because we think they have a good heart. they gotta have more than that.

Politicians in this country shouldn't even mention their PERSONAL beliefs.. it's so unprofessional.. does ur doctor tell you what they believe or ur professor?

[TheROCKandOrROLL]

I hate stupid fucking politicians who don't know what the fuck they are talking about and always switch their position on things whenever it seems to go their way. They would sell their souls instead of do what is right. GO RON PAUL!!!!

[DadoPennsylvania]

@TheROCKandOrROLL OH sorry I did not read all of your posts.....GO RON PAUL

[Allyepiph]

What a fucking IDIOT! The founding fathers weren't Christians at all! And this man ALMOST became president when he didn't even know what this country was actually founded on!

[opacid]

If you are of a particular faith, it would be contradicting to say that you believe another religion is better. Separation of church and state was meant to keep government from oppressing any religious beliefs. Now, more recently, in an attempt to dispute the constitution, I have seen people trying to argue that all the founding fathers were atheists. The founding fathers had no intention of the nation being a church, but had no intention to release all beliefs from government.

[online4videos]

Wow. I like McCain, but to hear him talk about religion in this clip it is clear that he is a religious bigot.

Not only that, how can he be running for president and NOT know that the constitution did NOT establish USA as a Christian nation. Thus, he is not only a bigot, but also deluded.

I like him less now that I see this video.

[Terra7Q]

watch Zeitgeist

[csrocker101]

It's to bad. I had a lot of respect for McCain before he ran of president. He had to cater to the religious right to get votes but that also lost him the election.

[kausidya]

Man, I'm glad I didn't vote for him.

[KRU78]

evolution has a missing link pull it

[edfcvg]

man created god, that is a easy answer Canuchman87.

[MrSomeone24]

Thank John McCain's god that John McCain did not win the election...

[mistonie]

I wonder if he has taken the time to read the letters from John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, etc...Um...I'd say he would be wrong The founders had no intentions of America being a christian nation Read and Research People

[fusedchromosome]

At 2:08 he says "they didn't mean, in my view, separation of church and state. Well, what did Thomas Jefferson say in his letter to the Danbury Baptists.

"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

Should I listen to Thomas Jefferson or John McCain.

[jackiechan511]

Any president or political party that intertwines religion and public policy should NOT hold office

[yoursuchagoodguy]

I don't keep close tabs on it, but I am aware of three court cases where the creationists aka intelligent design theorists got tossed out of the classroom on their collective ears.

[Vid203]

this dude is a bad christian... what does he know?

[canuckman87]

Who created god?

[GnPdemon]

That's right, John: American was built on Christian principles...

Which the Christians stole and corrupted from pagan principles.

Idiot.

[SecularWorld]

Im scared

[aicfnm]

No wonder he lost

[SistemaKaoso]

WorD...

[secvuln]

How in the hell does the constituion establish this nation as a Christian nation?! Were the fuck are you seeing that?!

[SistemaKaoso]

Lol. Quite the contrary with what McCain said. Many congressional documents and leaders said otherwise.

[Selinja]

It's amazing that people who haven't read the constitution of a nation can become not only politicians, but even leaders. I don't care what he did in war, because shitting on the Constitution proves an amount of disrespect for the very spirit of the USA that cannot be compensated.

Such a disgrace to the United States of America!

[yaoifanficlover]

What would this guy know about spiritual guidance?

All he seems to be doing is making his beliefs sound like the only beliefs worth following, thus pushing christianity onto people who aren't.

[war9suck9my9balls]

you fucking bastard !!!!

JESUS nation huh?

fak yourself!!!!!

you moron !!!! RELIGION WARS NO REASON WHY!!!! THEY LEft YOU to die!!!

your a death nation!!!!!! plz Obama make this USA better place!!!!

[Gwisss]

Scary...

[oneiros666]

God damnit. The constitution does NOT mention ANY fucking passages from the Bible! Nor does it invoke God, Jesus or any other made-up fairy tale.

Fucking McPain.

[Cimbolic]

Agreed 100%.

[PwnBucket]

This country wasn't established as a Christian nation. That was why the separation of church and state was so prominent.

[Zotoaster]

Exactly - I'm not even American, but I know well enough how obvious it was made that they established a secular nation. As for "teaching both schools of thought" - stfu McCain, you don't teach Aristotle's 5 elements and the periodic table and then let the kids decide! This is the kind of stuff that should be taken care of by the academics, and not be so pussy that you just let un-qualified people decide.

[panosmj1976]

@PwnBucket Read the Declaration of Independence, and read the dollar bill. We were estsablished by Christians looking for religious freedom. Now it's being taken away. Its okay to be ignorant bit it's not okay to stay that way.

[MGCAUSTIN]

@panosmj1976 What does the declaration say about christianity? I can't find it.

[TomRaphaelWolf]

@panosmj1976 Look up Thomas J. He was a secularist, as the other founding fathers. If it was really a christian nation, they'd say so, explicitly, word by word. They just believed in a god. :/

[Tank94Mage]

@PwnBucket The only seperation that is written in the establishment of this country is that the goverment can not establish a national church. the first three words that were used interchangable with church were all denomination meaning that the goverment cannot make catholic or christianity the national church. Not being rude or anything but look back at the first three copies of the first admendment and you will see what i mean.

[sputnikowns]

He's a fucking moron!

1) If all points of view were presented, then it would cover Islam, Buddhism, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, and the invisible pink unicorn.

2) IT WAS NOT FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN IDEALS. MANY OF THE FOUNDERS WERE ATHEISTS. THEY ALL ENDORSED THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

3) Mccain's faith is not superior to other faiths.

[xxHAVIKxx]

maybe "all points of view" means points of view with some kind of evidence of possible credibility, and intelligent design along with several other atheist theories deserve to be presented but you instead choose to mock this notion. and many of the founders were theists or deists... they wanted seperation of church and state to prevent the government from forcing beliefs on the people as it was in the past. do not assume that someone with different beliefs than you is automatically a moron.

[sputnikowns]

I'm simply stunned.

Unless this was a typo... "intelligent design along with several other atheist theories..." Atheists do not believe in intelligent design. Nor do they have any theories at all. They are just people that do not believe in God. NO THEORY other than evolution has any possible credibility (within reason).

Anxiously awaiting a response, Sputnik.

[xxHAVIKxx]

you misread what i typed, probably because of my poor choice of words... anyway, i did not mean that christianity was an atheist view. i meant that christianity, along with several atheist views, and even theist views other than christianity should be presented. intelligent design is a respected theory even among atheist scientists, do not assume that evolution has undeniable credibility otherwise there would be no other theories.

[xxHAVIKxx]

...vice-versa, meaning that it is entirely plausible that a being (or deity) that exists outside of the laws of this existence was responsible for our existence. there is some possible credibility for something other than evolution. now you can join the ret of us in the quest for the answer rather than blindly condemning others for their views when you do not fully understand theirs or your own. plz get back to me =)

[xxHAVIKxx]

on the theory of evolution subject, in order for us to have evolved, there must have been something for us to evolve from. so the question is where did the original matter come from? as i have no doubt that you put your trust in science, as any intelligent person does, i would like to know how this origin of matter came about. because according to the laws of thermodynamics matter can not be created or destroyed, and all order falls to disorder not...

[fetrug]

-"so the question is where did the original matter come from?"-

I have read this over and over again, evolution does not explain the origin of matter. Talk to a physicist.

[mln9898]

When we look @ the statistics for the red states, areas of higher religiosity, compared to the blue, guess who won the shittiness award? The lands in which inhabit the most of our dear delusional friends win, of course. Atheists account for about 12 percent of the population,& yet they account for .2% of those in prison,if I remember correctly. Evangelicals have the highest divorce rate in the country.

[mln9898]

ok so I guess John Mccain calls for the teaching of the giant spaghetti monster too, and every single other type of creation myth. There's a very good way to scientifically evaluate the claim that his faith is the superior type of spiritual guide. We simply look at the statistics.America is by far the most religious industrialized country. Our crime rates are highest (violent, & non violent), we have by far the highest rates of Stds, & highest divorce rates.

[miker030]

He obviously doesn't believe anything that he is saying.

[finchy633]

ouch! 'All points of view should be accepted'. what a fucking cop out.you're one way or the other, John.and this man clearly knows nothing about the founding fathers.the majority of them were deists in public.stress the word public.Its scary that this man could, and probably will, win the election.

[DanHipp]

The polls say he is losing by a big margin, thankfully.

[finchy633]

i don't have much faith in the polls actually.I'm not so sure of the validity of them.I've never been asked who I'd vote for.Plus, theres been plenty of occasions, especially in my homeland Britain, where the polls have meant fuck all, e.g. thatchers second term

[DanHipp]

I guess I agree, but that's all the data we really have to go on. And he is winning by a very wide margin at this point, so hopefully the error in the polls is negated by the overwhelming majority.

[PwnBucket]

So the giant spaghetti monster doesn't exist?!

[CommandoTexan]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooo!

But in all seriousness, only some of the Founding Fathers were christian. MOST of them were deists.

[killak94]

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[filthyfun]

christian nation. Freedom of religion jackass john. Important part just you have to be christian... holly shit john is a total jackass!

[berniemacster]

would ya look at that

[UCdtwind]

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[nate82792]

you guys are all dumb. who cares about politics anyway

[TheFallofSaodos]

oh i dont know

just the fucking majority of people who cares what happens in the country

[marker853]

Dude its obama at 2:58 with the white skullcap LOL

[cunttt43]

Well said. In Britain, religion is not a part of the political climet. I wish it didn't hold such a hold on American polatics.

[bigbird51965]

This nation is not a christian nation. The founding fathers new the dangers of giving religion a say in government. In fact the first money to say "In god we trust" was not until 1865 two cent piece. And the origional pledge of allegience did not say, "One nation, under god". "Under God" was added in the 1950s in response to the red scare and atheists were thought to be communists. Slowly the fundelmentist sneak there agenda into the government.

[bigbird51965]

This nation is not a christian nation. The founding fathers new the dangers of giving religion a say in government. In fact the first money to say "In god we trust" was not until 1865 two cent piece. And the origional pledge of allegience did not say, "One nation, under god". "Under God" was added in the 1950s in response to the red scare and atheists were thought to be communists. Slowly the fundelmentist sneak there agenda into the government.

[kimjongil42]

Religion is not a topic that should be discussed when it comes to politics. It is completely absurd that presidential election places so much emphasis on the candidates religious background.

[starbanter]

McCain's actions demonstrate his willingness to do whatever it takes to gain the presidency, regardless of the ramifications for the country. From courting the religious right to choosing Palin; he may have been a maverick once, but no more. Now he's an old man with one more credit to add to his resume.

[lpotato]

...and in-fucking-fact, they *DID* mean separation of church and state, so that we couldn't play favorites, which is part of the supposed "freedom" and crap we were really founded on...I just don't trust this guy anymore.

[lpotato]

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen..."

Thomas Jefferson, Article 11, Treaty of Tripoli

(The guy that wrote the Declaration of Independence)

[tinapaa]

yes gooo mccain!!!

[AlecW1234]

means that theres a high percentage. simple as that. i mean, we still write "in god we trust" on our dollars and have our students say "one nation, under god" so you could argue that we could be called a Christian nation. if the argument is that it should be worded "a GENERALLY christian nation" then i could see that argument being made. because generally christian is more accurate than christian when referring to america.

just my opinion. really do hope the guy loses to Barack. really like him

[Windigo]

Heres whats funny if S.o.C.a.State really existed then what you said would be true. Not only is it on our money, its in our army, its in our courts, people still get sworn into office in the USA. HELLO where do you see seperation. Even if that term never came about The whole of ever major US system brings God into the picture somewhere so yea. Oh an if this is America every point should be given DUE light no matter what it is if we really are a free country!!

[Windigo]

Sorry I mean "would not be true" for my previous statement

[AlecW1234]

as a supporter of obama, and a believer of the theory of evolution, i think mccain is getting too much crap here. he's not saying to do away with separation of church and state, but rather to teach both sides of how we got here. to teach that there is a controversy. i dont see whats wrong with that, and about the "christian nation" thing, hes somewhat right. a high percentage of americans are christian, compared to other nations. this does not mean we all are, or that we all should be, it just-

[Carlitos1010]

Obama as a Constitutional Law Professor DOES NOT speak about the Unconstitutional Federal Reserve System, a bank owned by private bankers (so it isn't more Federal than Fedex) which CANNOT be audited by Congress. I need Obama to rally against this institution (the biggest scam on the American People). I also need him to take the CONSTITUTIONAL FOREIGN POLICY position - Non Intervention (that means no military bases anywhere and our troops home), after all we are a Republic not an Empire.

[BeuligXanderSatanPoo]

4:15 - "--my faith is better..."

Ugh, this nation isn't ruled by Christians, but there are so many that the country basically makes is decisions based on christian principals because all those people.

[TrishRand]

Evolution is not a belief - like believing in fairies or gods.

Evolution is confirmed by genetics, geology, and every branch of biology. Sciences that weren't even conceived of when Darwin and Wallace were writing confirm their science.

America was founded by Deists, not Christians. Claiming that America is a "Christian nation" is inflamatory, not uncontested.

[saintearth]

Search this in youtube. It's a brilliant documentary:

"Foundational Falsehood of Creationism"

[ggchezagg]

It takes faith to believe in evolution. Did you personally analyze the theory in a lab yourself? Doubtful. You are putting faith into the scientists and what they put in science books. The big bang cannot be proven by any scientist. I agree, (micro) evolution/adaptation/natural selection can be confirmed using genetics, geology, and every branch of biology, but the big bang occurrence and any trace of ape ancestry cannot. There is zero proof.

[LemonsNeedHelp]

Wrong. It takes observation and intelligence to believe in evolution. No, I haven't reviewed it in a lab. But faith is blind, and I can see the logical evidence presented and use reason to assess its truth.

"There is zero proof?!" Really? Did you just make yourself sound that dumb? Never speak in absolutes when arguing; you're bound to fuck up.

Do research. Non-Biblical research. Preferably GENETIC research. BIOLOGICAL research. The evidence is there.

Show me GOD at work in a lab.

[saintearth]

Why is it that only the GOP believe in creationism?

[bandannabitch]

Oh dear, I'm pretty sure a presidential candidate should know more than that about the constitution of his own nation. I know more about it, and I'm British.

Seriously, hasn't he read any of it?

[lookslikepat]

I was about to say the exact same thing. And I'm swedish... soooo sad...

[yaponi44]

he is an IDIOT.

he can't even speak.

[winklemyer]

"I shall need, too, the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old, from their native land and planted them in a country flowing with all the necessaries and comforts of life; who has covered our infancy with His providence and our riper years with His wisdom and power and to whose goodness I ask you to join in supplications with me that He will so enlighten the minds of your servants... that whatsoever they do shall result in your good..." ~Thomas Jefferson

[Matmo11]

what the hell is wrong wit McCain THIS IS NOT A FREAKIN CHRISTIAN NATION just look in the Treaty Of Tripoli. He is deviating the words of our forefathers for his own benefit.

[311lude]

Pandering and ignorant

[thekidde63]

Perhaps this clown could mumble his way onto Sunday morning tv as an evangelist, but president - puke.

[Darusdei]

oooh boy... should intelligent design be teached in schools? are you ppl nuts?

when has religion been part of science?

According to pisa08 study the best education is here (Finland) and no we dont teach religious stories as fact or even the posibility that they might be true in some ridicilous way...

one to even suggest these things shouldnt be runing the country or in any administrative position. The minute president declares he has strong religious faith he/she should be fired.

[Carlitos1010]

Serious Education brings Atheism.

I'm a happy atheist without the fears or hopes of hell and heaven,.. that whole concept is extremely childish.

[julia707]

Carlitos1010, just because you are happy now doesn't believe hell doesn't exist. Btw, I hate the idea of hell! But it's actually.."extremely childish".. to stake your eternal destination on WISHFUL thinking/assumption. What if you are wrong? Your eternal life is too priceless to gamble with / take chances on :( Life is a vapor compared to eternity. I have heard of enough death-bed experiences to convince me there's an AFTER-LIFE. Which may be PRECISELY why Satan wants us to be "HAPPY ATHEISTS".

[Carlitos1010]

Reject living in fear, Satan/God are just fictional characters. If there is an afterlife I guess we'll find out when we die right? there's no point in breaking our heads or adjusting our lives with the thought of death or an afterlife in our minds.

[Carlitos1010]

Let's say there is an afterlife, what tells you that you will be judged based on what today might be categorized as 'bad' or 'good'. Remember that 'bad and good' are just perceptions attached to this ripple of time, I know of other times when even human sacrifice was not categorized as 'bad'.

[Carlitos1010]

We as humans tend to think in binaries and we see our world that way, light/darkness, up/down, left/right, good/evil, etc. Let's evolve as human beings and realize that we have no control of what will happen after we die, maybe we are part of a bigger energy, it's really irrelevant.

[Carlitos1010]

Let's believe in ourselves as people instead of in some supernatural being who loves us but at the same time will torture us in a special place called hell... in case we didn't follow his orders, that kind of God simply does not exist and any belief in a supernatural being with such human characteristics is simply childish.

[panosmj1976]

@Carlitos1010 Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God. -- Heywood Broun

[towneslives]

@panosmj1976

Yeah, well, it is kind of important.

[TomRaphaelWolf]

@panosmj1976 Nobody also has to know so much about "god" as those who insist that there is no god. Why? Because the other side has no clue.

[ZombieGuy1]

As an Atheist, Pastafarian, and a concerned citizen, I'd have to say: I am definitely not voting for McCain.

[tuieqlsss]

Wow... I'm definitely NOT voting for McCain.

[ZombieGuy1]

You said it!

[zxrunescapexz]

damn bring hitler back and make him turn on the muslums....

obama = dead

I = happy

[SEALs22]

You = Piece of Shit...

[Visfen]

"the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

Treaty of Tripoli 1979, McCain, read your history.

[Darusdei]

it doesent matter...

the candidates u have there are distorting history and facts and allways comparing something to the nazis(the evil demons who werent even human)

and suddently very clear words of the international law suddently became "vague"

and "this doesent excactly mean this i think" when few years ago everyone knew what the fuck torture is and why its against geneves rules buuut twisting twisting twisting

[politicalfarce]

this guy is a lunatic! Oh my God! Every single one of his statements is nuts! Send grampa home!

[bleunt]

Do American schools teach religion? Do they teach hinduism, islam and others to kids in high school and below?

[Darusdei]

They just teach the fundementalist christian view of creation.

here if u pick religion, they dont teach u about faith they just objectively look different religions and teach how they operate who do they belive and so on...

[pizzathehutt47]

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution."

James Madison

[pizzathehutt47]

"The constitution established the United States of America as a Christian Nation."

Article VI, Section 3

no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

Treaty of Tripoli, article 11

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion.

[panosmj1976]

@pizzathehutt47 As the Supreme Court of Florida said in 1950: "Different species of democracy have existed for more than 2,000 years, but democracy as we know it has never existed among the unchurched. A people unschooled about the sovereignty of God, the ten commandments and the ethics of Jesus, could never have evolved the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

[TomRaphaelWolf]

@panosmj1976 I do believe that countries such as Sweden and Switzerland, left-leaning countries, WITHOUT the Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution are voted and seen as a better place to live than the US- the violence rate is low (But rising because of muslims and christians moving in), the abortion rate is low, income is high, happiness is high, government is seen as good and so on. And, all left-leaning countries are actually more-so democratic than the US of A.

[pizzathehutt47]

"I think that there has to be all points of view presented."

stork theory, geocentrism, scientology, FSM, invisible pink unicorn

[A4AgnstcFndmntlst]

John, how you have fallen.

[AmI2Hvy4ya]

John, how you are the next president.

[A4AgnstcFndmntlst]

In 2000 I so much wanted him to win.

[acseeley]

and how you are a dreamer...

[YOURGOD78]

Can't wait till the muslims, and christians blow each other up. Then the rest of us can get on with reality. The founders had different views on faith, but most all agreed (not lightly either as the law was heavily debated)religion cannot be a standard forced on any man. Most important is man must be a end in himself.

[Cainer666]

unfortunately, their probably going to take the rest of us with them in the process.