Baader-Meinhof (RAF) - In love With Terror - BBC Docu 1/7

[2wisperingwind]

Agent provocateurs aided by the secret services to rubbish the left in politics.

[richardmorris25]

In fact all the music is great. Some Tangerine Dream at the end.

[richardmorris25]

What's the music at the start? Anyone know?

[iBeep2009]

@23 Henrich - there are real government attempts in the UK to brand the 'occupy' movement as a 'communist plot' - we know it isnt, but they do send provocateur s to infiltrate peaceful movements and cause trouble - e.g. sending in undercover police to St Pauls to cause trouble.

[23Henrich]

the Baader Meinhoff gang was a phenomenon that couldn't possibly exist now since the triumph of corporate capitalism has become total: everyone and everything is documented and under surveillance. The closest thing to opposition these days was the 'Occupy' movement which,despite the sincerity of participants, was ridiculed,marginalized, and then ignored by corporate media. Anything more threatening than this is designated as 'terrorism' and will be dealt with accordingly without ANY due process.

[noprofitmaximierung]

The past (and state capitalist "communist" present) shows that if we do NOT CHANGE the way that we organize the distribution of production/profits and Democratize the workplace, we remain in the cycle of Capital Imperialism and the Revolution fails. Workers Control Over Production! as the most important central part of socialist revolution, otherwise we keep the hierarchical (extortion of and) rule over the working class and, inevitably fall back into capitalism.

[uosho83]

@noprofitmaximierung So many people confuse CAPITALISM with CORPORATIONISM,.. which we have today in most of the countries. Democracy produces corruption, rich men pay politics for making the law that supports their monopols and blocks competition. It gets harder and harder to start with your own business. Also due to high taxation which has nothing to do with capitalism, It's mostly corporationism mixed with socialism that keeps people EQUALLY POOR.

[noprofitmaximierung]

@uosho83 So many people confuse that CORPORATISM is a historical development from "FREE" MARKET CAPITALISM. "corporationism mixed with socialism that keeps people EQUALLY POOR." SOCIALISM MEANS WORKERS CONTROLLING PRODUCTION, CHANGING FROM ECONOMIC AUTOCRACY TO SELF DETERMINATION ON WHAT IS DONE WITH ONES OWN PRODUCTION! Let me guess, American?

[uosho83]

@noprofitmaximierung Nope, I'm from Poland. But somehow... thanx (my English...) And I think I know something about economic systems. After comunism, we had for a year or so (in 1990) true capitalism, maybe the most free market in the world: no income tax and only about 10 branches that needed licences. Many small businesses started back then. Unfortunatelly, taxes, regulations, redistribution and government itself were growing, developing law which protected the big ones.

[uosho83]

@noprofitmaximierung CORPORATISM is connected with democracy, lobbying and regulations. SOCIALISM is high taxes and redistribution of them, which provide overgrown bureaucracy. Nowadays, we have hundreds of controlled business lines, estimated real taxation is 80% and it's almost like slavery. What is called redistribution I personally see as common ROBBERY. The real lack of freedom happens when you can't start your own business and now you can't, because of mentioned above.

[richievegas01]

@bretg78 Many thanks for uploading this, didn't catch all of it when it was on years ago.

[AtomHeartPuppy]

idiotic. even if you're unsympathetic, at least demand a fair look at this group.

[Ravanger1]

stupid commies

[magiclard]

I( love the way Helmut Schmidt smokes his cigarette and has his hair .. Germans eh :)

[TheMellishUK]

Can someone send me a message about where I can watch this documentary in a good quality? I can't stand the quality of this video.

[14Srb88]

I don't find this "documentary" well done.

[AlexSpalck]

Macht kaputt was euch kaputt macht!!!

[shelleyite]

epic, heartbreaking saga. compelling, fascinating, impressive, mystifying stuff.

the reality and the myth - either way it is amazing. their detractorsi think, are disturbed by the lurking realisation that we are worthless shits by comparison. my heart breaks for ulrike.

[MrShmetel]

Death to the fascist insect that preys on the life of the people.

[MickeyLove01]

@MrShmetel the jew?

[MrShmetel]

@MickeyLove01 No... the Pentagon, of course.

[MickeyLove01]

@MrShmetel I was being sarcastic when I said the jew as the jew in israel shows many traits of the nazi they once feared so much.

[MrShmetel]

@MickeyLove01 The printed word makes dry humor that much more dry.

[MickeyLove01]

@MrShmetel There is nothing funny about the nazi jew. He is very real.

[MrShmetel]

it's totally awesome that they threw some Can music in there.

[johnbarry1965]

I only trust politicians that wear balaclavasand never the ones in suits,they hide behind respectability with zero integrity, RAF forever!

[treehousewizkid]

Communism and capitalism both failed long before the end of the Cold War. It's interesting to hear disparaging remarks hurled at communism as if people in the U.S. believe they're living in a fundamentally sound alternative. It's not reality. More lives than ever are in disarray as wealth becomes increasingly consolidated in the top 5% of the country, while the middle class becomes more and more of a "working poor," powerless to change things. It's a global problem now.

[shelleyite]

@treehousewizkid yes, well said - and well worth saying.

[iranoutofgoodnames]

It's funny to see all these kids shouting 'Down with the system', 'the fight continues' and other 'revolutionary' bullshit.

Communism has been dead for two decades now, and it is never coming back, because most people will realise sooner or later that it's completely incompatible with human nature.

[SuperGuitarman69]

To advocate "forcing" a group of other people into a government controlled slavery isn't liberation. It is indoctrination. RAF failed not because the establishment had more power and propaganda, but rather because people do not instinctively view the world the way they do. RAF and other communist suffer from the same truth. People want to earn their money. They want to be free. They want to be left alone. They do not want communism. They want freedom! It failed. And it would again. Over and over

[melavzla]

@SuperGuitarman69 you can't be more right! The problem with comunism is not so much the intention, they might mean well (sometimes) the problem with comunism is the idea, they offer freedom but it's quite the opposite when you try to aply it in a repersed society it might get the simpathy from the people, so you can take the time to indoctrinate them until they don't know anything else, like in Cuba, but in a free society you won't get the support rom the people because people know better!

[SuperGuitarman69]

@melavzla And you sir are 100% correct in your statement! Well said

[KalikaInLeather]

@melavzla for me the pb witth communism is not really the thought (unlike nazism for example, which is openly antisemit, totalitarian, etc) but the fact that it's supposed to come to life throuhg steps, and one of them being "the dictature of people" to make freedom possible: the thing is, human nature is always "failable", and once the "leader" is in that power place, why would it give it back to the people? and that's what happened...

[Crijevo]

Guerilla youths can be so idealistic and naive in their attempt to change things around them, but behind all these "call-to-arms" and "death-to-pigs" statements, most productivity or social progress fails. What remains is equally extreme (and somewhat childish, if not self-indulgent) action that results in further violence, which affects ordinary people. I understand what triggered Baader-Meinhof but in the end they turned out just as 'materialistic' or 'hypocrtical' - they meant 'business'.

[Crijevo]

The problem with most such (terrorist) groups is they start off from an act of nobility, realising and fighting against injustice, but end up being the exact other side of the coin, slowly losing it and twisting their own principles.

[Palangkaraya2008]

7:45

The point of the whole thing.

[shelleyite]

excellent documentary. epic story. my heart breaks for ulrike. i'm puzzled by the enraged and incoherent response by many to the memory of the RAF. their faults were many and obvious but frothing at the mouth and expressing violent hatred would be risible were it not so disturbing.

[skylineXpert]

whats the name of the german hippie kind of song

[alexmackalexmack]

Thank you for posting, very interesting

[MultiRazoredge]

What amazes me the most about this entire Baader-Meinhof and RAF episode

was the reluctance of the West German government to kill these idiots outright. They should have been killed much earlier than they were. And... if indeed the government did eventually kill them I take my hat off to them. These despicable people were nothing more than a malignant and filthy virus. I'm glad they were rubbed out, it should have happened much sooner.

[grandmachristine42]

@MultiRazoredge Ha! It was because everybody SOMEWHAT agreed with them!

[1977de33HERBST2010]

@723FahnenJunkieJoe1000views

Fahnenjunker

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Bei der Luftwaffe oder Heer ist der Fahnenjunker (Fhj) ein Offizieranwärter des Truppendienstes im niedrigsten Unteroffizierdienstgrad. Bei der Deutschen Marine heißt dieser Dienstgrad Seekadett.Der nächste Dienstgrad eines Fahnenjunkers in seiner militärischen Laufbahn ist der Fähnrich.Den Dienstgrad Fahnenjunker erhält ein Offizieranwärter des Heeres bis einschließlich des 75. Offizieranwärterjahrgangs mit Vollendung des 12. D ...etc. lol

[skylineXpert]

holger der kampf geht weiter (rudi dutschke last line in the movie), but the music is awesome, aus kaput was öj kaput was

[Mann1979HH]

HI EVERYBODY !!!!!!!

Was ist euer Aufrag???

What is your assignment ?? :o)

[SiouxSyndicate]

I call some laws the labour approves or the TORIES ALSO TERROR.

They didnt love' terror. They wanted to change society and get rid of some nazi's and facism.

They were killed(3 of them) in a german prison...or like the news said; committed suicide at the same time.

Down with the pig system that is still after our lives and privacy.

one;love

[joakimveyron]

@SiouxSyndicate Fucker, they were not killed in the prison. You don t have any proofs nor indications for that. That s simply lies and propaganda of these psychopatic fuckheads to "motivate" their crimes, and of course there are not any jsutifications for their crimes. The RAF only were psychopatic, ideologically ill-guided, dumb fuckeheads who ignored truth, facts and reality. Yes, sure, some of the RAF victims were former nazis. In most of the cases they killed innocent people though.

[jizzo225]

"All we did was protest"? Please, Dieter, do not forget your failed assassination attempt of Richard Nixon on his visit to Berlin on 27 February, 1969. Yourself and Rainer Langhans were arrested for it. I do not agree with leftist politics, but I do respect anyone who doesn't trivialize what they do or stand for.

[SiouxSyndicate]

I do agree placing some bombs isnt the way. The raf tried, STATED, they did not want ANY innocent lives involved. Ofcourse you can ask yourself; Are they a judge? Some idiots inside the raf however fokked it up by using violence in that way. Still they stood for truth and freedom for the people.

If countries DONT throw bombs out of the sky anymore to win a war..THEN I will take back these words of sympathy..who is gonna protect us against the "protectors".? PEACE

[Mann1979HH]

@SiouxSyndicate

Was ist dein Auftrag?

What is your assignment?

[SiouxSyndicate]

@Mann1979HH

To make the world a better place..and mafia will try to stop this..so we must do something about mafia.

The RAF was first of all an anarchistic/socialistic group against facism, hatred, opression etc by any..this is their basics, not communism alone, wich was also a part of their social view. This has ofcourse nothing to do with the old communist regimes.

[1977de33HERBST2010]

@SiouxSyndicate

IT IS ME :o) Mann1979HH from Germany :o) I CREATED a NEW CHANNEL :o)

[SiouxSyndicate]

@1977de33HERBST2010 Onelove..gone with the wind ?lol ONELOVE!

[joakimveyron]

@SiouxSyndicate No need to spread the "news". Everybody knows that communism is the bloodiest, most oppressive, most despotic ideology that only brought death, ecological and economic disasters where it reigned. Planned economy is the epitomacy of idiocy. What is good about communism?? What problem did communism effectively solve in history?? Name me only ONE country where communism did not end up in a rotten shithole?

[andymlcn2009]

@joakimveyron cuba is a good example along with other regions in south america. cuba may have old cars and not be the richest country in the world, but a lot of this is because of americas position, they do not allow any trade with cuba. this has also caused cuba to become almost entirely self reliant. personally i don't believe communism is the best answer but don't kid yourself into thinking the west is really democratic, i believe in participatory democracy rather than left&right wing puppets

[joakimveyron]

@andymlcn2009 Thanks for uploading this movie. I don t know what makes me puke more. Either these atrocious and cowardous crimes committed by the RAF or the dumb, unthoughtful, stupid ideological indoctrination, mental blockade and lies of the RAF members. If you really think about what the RAF members say, their stupidity and ideological blindness really hurts. It makes me puke that they even think that they did things for a "good, just" cause. Yuck!

[joakimveyron]

@andymlcn2009 What is good about Cuba??? What???

[statist0815]

Gewalt ist keine Lösung!

Das "Gutheißen von Straftaten" ist in Deutschland übrigens strafbar.

Terroristen nützen nicht den Menschen sondern dienen als Rechtfertigung die Freiheit der Bürger einzuschränken.

Wer weis wer wirklich dahinter steckte?

[EssentialRevolution]

Fuck BBC

Andreas, we love your honest and necessary revolution

[MrsJellyCat]

'German Charlie Manson type'? Baader was alot of things, but you could hardly compare him to Manson.

[andymlcn2009]

@MrsJellyCat manson was a racist psychopath who brainwashed followers into killing individuals for no apparent reason (well he wanted the media and public to believe it was african americans committing the murders to spark a race war...) he was also obviously not a socialist or anything like but a nazi sympathiser so i don't understand why people make a connection with the RAF and that scumbag manson.

[MokomaSusi]

@MrsJellyCat

Yeah, Manson never actually murdered anyone.

[ProfessorZaroff]

@MrsJellyCat I think one of his former housemates called him an asshole. It is a fitting epithet.

[jizzo225]

@MrsJellyCat Obviously they are not carbon copies of each other, but a very prominent characteristic (IMHO) each had was a magnetic personality and command presence that allowed them to have others due their bidding, in this case, killing other people.

[censorshipisthedevil]

@MrsJellyCat Great point, and not to mention how they totally sexualize and degrade Gudrun Ensslin!

[ErbedesJanus]

Rot Front Genossen!

Die Rote Armee aufbauen!

[spegelj]

Der Kampf geht weiter!

[joakimveyron]

@spegelj Thanks for uploading this movie. I don t know what makes me puke more. Either these atrocious and cowardous crimes committed by the RAF or the dumb, unthoughtful, stupid ideological indoctrination, mental blockade and lies of the RAF members. If you really think about what the RAF members say, their stupidity and ideological blindness really hurts. It makes me puke that they even think that they did things for a "good, just" cause. Yuck!