Dances from Bonţida (Bonchida)

[AndyMKordo]

Romanian dance. The proof? The names, even in Hungarian language are from Romanian language :)

[butenarul]

pentru toti care au comentat acest clip as dori sa fac precizarea ca dansurile,cantecele si linia lor melodica, sunt, asa cum e firesc sa fie, cand mai multe natii impart acelasi areal de co-abitare,asemanatoare incat nu se poate trage o concluzie clara de apartenenta la o anume etnie.Aceasta cu atat mai mult cu cat aceste natii au trait impreuna sute de ani.Barbuncul este specific numai anumitor parti din Ardeal cu precadere judetele Cluj,Salaj.Se mai numeste si "Ponturi".Pentru costume la fel.

[1961vionescu]

The dance is Hungarian. It doesn't belong to us (Romanians). The music has a Romanian influence (continuity in rhythm/linked). The Hungarian music has a fragmented rhythm, usually. Besides, the costumes are Hungarian.

[ForrasBand]

@1961vionescu

LOL! The exact opposite is true to everything that you wrote - except for the costumes, which are street clothes. You crack me up!

[1961vionescu]

@ForrasBand In Central Transylvania (Somes Valley - Mures Valley) the Romanian dance is in fact a cycle of 4 dances, not only a single one or two, in comparison with the dance shown the video clip

[ForrasBand]

@1961vionescu

Actually, the Romanian dance cycle in Bontida consists of 5 dances (4 for the Hungarians). The neighboring village of Rascruci (Valaszut) generally dances the same dances, but all the others in the area are different and cannot be compared.

[1961vionescu]

@ForrasBand: The cycle of Romanian dances: 1 - slow dance "De-a lungul" - 2 - moderately tempo dance - "Rarul"; 3 - "Jocul fecioresc" - is rapidly; 4 "Invartita" - Pair with girls

[ForrasBand]

@1961vionescu

The two dances in this video are the only 2 that the Hungarians don't dance in Bontida and they are referred to by locals as

- Barbunc

- Invirtita

The three common dances use by both Romanian and Hungarian residents of Bontida are:

- Fecioresc Des (Hungarians = Suru Magyar)

- Tiganeste Rara (Hungarian = Csardas)

- Tiganeste Iute (Hungarian = Suru Csardas)

The only one the Romanians don't dance is:

- Ritka Magyar (Ungureste Rara)

[1961vionescu]

@ForrasBand So, the rhythm is changed dance by dance, but it doesn't mean that is fragmented (during the performance).

[ForrasBand]

@1961vionescu

I am a musician who only plays music from Transylvania (Romanian, Hungarian, Gypsy, Saxon, Jewish). My band members and I have studied with many of the village musicians from Transylvania and this comment of yours makes absolutely no sense at all.

[1961vionescu]

@ForrasBand Strange. I am Romanian, and I have to defend a Hungarian dance from Bontida. However, the Romanian dances from Transylvania are much richer in styles and more diversified as I wrote.

[ForrasBand]

@1961vionescu

The Romanian dances from Transylvania are beautiful, rich and wonderful - you have no argument with me on that point, but this video is a prime example of that richness. I suggest you research the area a bot more.

[McDoulgham]

I have to correct you, this isn't a Romanian dance at all, but Hungarian! Bonchida now belongs to Romania but it does not make a dance Romanian.

[LecsoDrom]

You are wrong. As with most villages in Transylvania, Bonchida's inhabitants are a mixture of nationalities and cultures (Hungarian , Romanian and Gypsy). They each have their own set of dances - four Hungarian and five Romanian. These two dances (Bărbunc and Învîrtită) are danced by the Romanians. However, the Hungarian folk dance community has adopted it into it's dance party (táncház) repertoire and is preferred over the Bonchidai Hungarian dances due to it's richer steps and figures.

[McDoulgham]

Hmm, the moves and the melody do not correspond to Romanian dances, s must be a mixture, I'm not an expert though. The genre Verbunkos however is typically Hungarian so Barbunc has to be the Romanian translation. Anyway, it is beautiful and a joy to watch and listen to it, keep on posting if you have more, thanks!

[LecsoDrom]

Now we are getting into a point of "influences" in folk culture and the question of whether the Romanians of a Transylvanian village would dance like other Romanians a few hundred kilometres away or more like their Hungarian and Gypsy neighborhoods in the village. In this case it is the latter. A counter point to this is that Hungarians in Transylvania don't dance the same as Hungarians to the west. The Gypsies took it even further, they have a little bit of both cultures in their dances.

[1961vionescu]

@McDoulgham

The dance is Hungarian. It doesn't belong to us (Romanians). The music has a Romanian influence (continuity in rhythm/linked). The Hungarian music has a fragmented rhythm, usually. Besides, the costumes are Hungarian.

Valentin, Bucharest

Valentin, Bucharest .

[aofg]

@McDoulgham Verbunkos is nothing but the Hungarian for Werbung a German word meaning recruitment. Romanian Bărbunc acording to Dictionary and the phonetic laws is from the German word Werbung as well. The feet and boot slapping it's a clear German influence (see Schuhplattler, attested sice 1050) who combined with the old Romanian springing dances (like Căluşarii) created the varieties of lad dances.

In Hungary dances related to the lads dances are called Olahos (Romanian). See Youtube.

[McDoulgham]

@aofg Well, first time I hear about German Influence. I"m not sure you're right about that Schuhplatter you've mentioned, this element exists in other regions of Europe as well. Bavarian dances have really not much to do with Hungarian or Romanian dances.

[aofg]

Schuhplatter is not only a Bavarian dance but more important an Austrian one. Of course it has a lot to do with the Romanian and Hungarian dances we talk about since those are called with a name of German origin and have clear Schuhplatter elements. The Austrians in the XVIIIth century begun making recruitments in Transylvania and other parts of their Empire organizing drinking and dancing parties called Werbung, the dances of the Austrian soldiers and officers had obviously a strong influence.

[csikir]

Náci, Lecsó és Vizeli Balázs remek hármas!! Nem hiába ők a legjobbak ;)

[folkCLlove]

Kádár Ignác bátyánk :)

[zsigmester]

hohó! Ezt csak most találtam meg! Nagyon jó!

[pirosbabos]

ugyanezt a felvételt megtalálhatjátok "néptánc 2" címen, ahol kép és hang szinkronban van egymással

[felszegikrisztina]

eszmeletlen. szivpezsdito muzsika, tokeletes ,eredeti tanc. meg sok ilyent!!!

[kgabika89]

hmm egy kevés bonchidai román táncok. a barbunc jó volt az elején

[Esztrus]

És persze kitűnő táncosok :):):)

[franciscf1]

szip te!

[CrescRatze]

foarte fain

[pinterzsi]

Meg kell a szívnek szakadni, olyan gyönyörű. Kösz a videót, még sok ilyet!

[pityoka]

gyonyoru, es lehet tanulni on-line is :)

[lothilear]

great vid, thanks