@TheLogicJunkie Right on the money. This is the one thing I don't like about Stossel. He's really on this "just get government out of the picture" bandwagon, as if we were to remove regulations and just let corporations do whatever they want, it would be wonderful for all. Stossel seems to be a little too far to the right of the happy inbetween.
@Raxarax What kills me is that Stossel has become yet another mesmerized zealot of the half-baked ideas of the almighty Ayn Rand. Let's just admit that, already.
Other pinwheel-eyed Ayn Rand celebrity fundamentalists are comic-book-turned-movie-screenwriter Frank Miller and radio personality Adam Corolla, who recently indicted the ENTIRE Occupy Wall Street movement as just one giant and complete lump of falsehood and invalidity.
Ayn Rand is no substitute for thinking for oneself.
A core principal of mine and many of you watching this is probably one of none aggression towards others. BUT, if given the chance, i would perform the most violent, horrific things imaginal to Maddow. She makes my blood boil.
I like how this framing the question. How did consumer the tax payer got ripped off again? By getting the rebates? The only people who should complain are those 2 other companies, but I'm sure they benefitted also as rebates where applicable to any low e windows I know I got the rebates. And why this picks on smaller company that maybe making better and least expansive products that are both good for consumer it is green jobs. Why not talk about freaking halliburtin or black water?
@stasevich If I offered you a choice - I could either give you a million dollars, but you can only spend it to attend baseball games, or I could give you half a million instead and you can spend it on whatever you like, what would you choose? If you are not a baseball fan, you'd probably choose the latter. Keeping your cash is worth more to you than getting tax credits.
@RiNSpy ah, but u are wrong. We, as the public, are too stupid to know what to spend our money on. We just are too dumb. We need Pelosi and Obama to guide us in our spending, because they are so much wiser than we.
There are 2 types of private businesses. the first are those that just work within the market and competition and the second are businesses that cheat the natural market by going to the government and using their coercion to limit competition and gain a business reputation for which they havent actually earned.
Considering that no absolute facts were given to the effect of Serious windows being the most energy efficient, I'd rather the attention, tax credit, etc be given to a larger company with considerably more employees. If Serious windows was aggreeably the most energy efficient I could understand.
Want a great example from health care? Check out a medical technology company from Chicago called Allscripts. It has Obama's dirty fingerprints all over it.
They paid me $25/hour to tape up banners at their stupid sales conference last year. I couldn't figure out why - until I did some digging. Telling doctors, in effect "buy our product now, or 4 years from now, be fined for not doing it" is really tough salesmanship. LOL.
If I was Rich Daley, I wouldn't allow handguns in the city either.....for fear someone would get tired of me and my family and friends ripping them the hell off, and shoot the whole dirty lot of us!!!!lol
This should be called corrupted Socialists at work.
This has absolutely nothing to do with capitalism, their product is not competing for business, it is being handed work by government through top notch free advertising.
@incrediblemulk42 Pure capitalism depends upon the consumer making choices, and depending on those choices some companies fail and some succeed. There is nothing "crony" about capitalism when big government's not involved. If you don't like a company's product, management, or size, shop elsewhere.
Unlike the rest of the bill of rights, the 1st amendment is still fairly well guarded by American "liberals" ("citizens united" court case outstanding). But do notice how Stossel is now working for Fox, the only major broadcaster white house denied access. I wouldn't be surprised if beforehand the white house hinted they wouldn't invite over news statons that dissented much, and hence why ABC reduced his reporting flexibility, making him quit.
I had no idea that he quit, and even less idea that ABC DID stifle him as much as you say! He sure got out more than I expected he could! Really? He's working for Fox now? I mean, I'm no hate for Fox, but aren't they just republican shills these days? If Stossel's not muzzled one way, he might be in another, albeit to a lesser capacity...
He does work for Fox now, but the reasons why he switched stations were publicly disclosed. Those are my conjecture alone. It is clear however he has much more liberty of reporting under Fox than he did in recent times under ABC. You should checkout his coverage of the Ayn Rand anniversary, health care and global warming. (See the favorites in my youtube page.) He had some pretty controversial but intelligent people on.
That's not nearly enough... as govt will force this trend of buying govt endorsement and govt will shutout competition. Why don't folk see this govt is only for big govt and govt controlled big business? Guess they control most media!
It may not ultimately be enough, but look at how Ford has fared. They took no money from the government, and they're doing better than GM, last I heard.
Luv yer monickar! Please note: Ford's success threatens Obamanomics; so Ford's gotta target on it. Watch and see! The full force of govt will bear down on Ford. GM needs to be disbanded and the political power of Union Bosses must be broken, too!
seems to me that the first car companys they will start putting the hurts on will be the foreign cars that compete with american unions AND GM. Like, ..oh..I dunno....Toyota?! Na no way they would try to hurt Toyota's sales with something like propaganda. To do that you would need network news in your pocket. (sarcasm is now being displayed)
Well, I figure when they are finished "helping" the auto industry I would start a rickshaw business cause that may be the only mode of transportation still working (as it does not fall under the regulation of our dear leaders in washington, at least so far its un-regulated)
For the short term investment, sink everything you got into Wagon Wheel futures and horse feed.
I believe in the 'force' of the vote- free, informed and uncorrupted. If The People were freely informed of all truth about their govt's corruption they'd vote for a new government and return to originalist interpretation of the Constitution. Everyone in or associated with govt would lose everything and go to prison. But The People are not freely informed. Govt hides its actions from them and continues its abuses of them. What's your suggestion?
Maybe an amendment to the effect that govt is forbidden to directly grant money (or employ other govt resources) to non-governmental bodies. Such process should take place in the form of public contract biddings, or subsidies to be redeemable by anyone who meets a generic specification. Courts still seem more able to uphold standards of good govt than the rest of the body.
Anyway we should think in terms of marginal improvements. If the standard is an uncorrupted govt, then you'll be paralyzed.
Marginal only perpetuates corruption. They need to lose everything and go to prison for the rest of their lives. 110+ years of govt perversion is enough.
I don't know the etymology of the word subsidy, no. I do know what it means in current usage and in the field of welfare economics, sure. There are many good arguments to get rid of them altogether, sure, but I wasn't getting into there. My point was that if we take it for granted govt must subsidy certain activities then there are uniform and transparent ways to do it. The let-the-president-pick-the-winner-companies strategy is definitively not one of them.
BTW, wrt green subsidies, my knowledge of economics is limited, but I'm pretty sure Pareto policy recommendation would be to tax fossil fuels, not to subsidy green ones. There are many ways to cut fossil fuels that don't involve migrating to some other form of fuel, just like reducing fuel consumption through insulation or by using collective forms of commutation. Remember tax and subsidies involve only manipulation of information, not creating wealth (to subsidy, you must tax, and vice-verse).
Not sure why I babbled about welfare economics, but since I did I guess I should clarify what I was saying. By taxing fossil fuels, you're not making energy more expensive. Just like if you subsidy energy, you won't make it cheaper. The taxes you pay in energy get subtracted by the general taxes. And the subsidies you are given to buy green stuff come from the general taxes. You're nudging behavior. If fossil fuels have negative externalities, you want to tax them, and let ppl find alternatives.
You should read "Greys Anatomy" it discuses the falicy of gov trying to control or influince peoples behavior and the errors of that train of logic.(what seems like a good idea on the surface often isnt)
I agree. But unfortunately what they are doing is legal ... if not moral. And you can't put people in jail who have broken no laws. The best one can hope for is for the voters to toss them out of office next election. But the voters don't seem to care; after all, crony capitalism has been going on for a long time and the yet bums are still there. How to get voters to care? THAT's the question the defenders of liberty have to answer.
I still remember when there were certain "green" businesses pushing the stimulus bill. I could tell it was a ruse. OBVIOUSLY the businesses weren't gonna refuse the offer of corporate welfare in teh stimulus! Rent-seeking 101. But, of course, these businessmen acted like they actually felt like it would work as a whole on its merits.
very good informative video that shows how crooked some politicians are, trying to support one company over the other. Way to make things "fair" Obama and Biden. Go ahead and give them more money.
"the American public (I guess) thinks the Congress....works on major philosophical problems"
LOL!!! Quote of the century!!!
zamkam 2 weeks ago
The profit Stosel ..LOl
MrDallasSummers 1 month ago
AND THE REPUBLICANS DO THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING ALLLLLL THE TIME.
So let's share blame everywhere blame is really due.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
@TheLogicJunkie Right on the money. This is the one thing I don't like about Stossel. He's really on this "just get government out of the picture" bandwagon, as if we were to remove regulations and just let corporations do whatever they want, it would be wonderful for all. Stossel seems to be a little too far to the right of the happy inbetween.
Raxarax 1 month ago
@Raxarax What kills me is that Stossel has become yet another mesmerized zealot of the half-baked ideas of the almighty Ayn Rand. Let's just admit that, already.
Other pinwheel-eyed Ayn Rand celebrity fundamentalists are comic-book-turned-movie-screenwriter Frank Miller and radio personality Adam Corolla, who recently indicted the ENTIRE Occupy Wall Street movement as just one giant and complete lump of falsehood and invalidity.
Ayn Rand is no substitute for thinking for oneself.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
Read Walker's budget repair bill if you want to see republican capitalism
ianhowe007 3 months ago
This dude says outsourcing jobs is good for america. The video on here
ianhowe007 3 months ago
"That's economic stimulus, that's how it works..... Ta Da!"
Keynesian fascism at it's finest; don't worry the answer must be because we simply didn't spend and print enough.
SvenBenson 3 months ago
A core principal of mine and many of you watching this is probably one of none aggression towards others. BUT, if given the chance, i would perform the most violent, horrific things imaginal to Maddow. She makes my blood boil.
Vansit84 3 months ago
hahaha Stossel just took a shit on Rachel Maddow
stebecool 3 months ago
I like how this framing the question. How did consumer the tax payer got ripped off again? By getting the rebates? The only people who should complain are those 2 other companies, but I'm sure they benefitted also as rebates where applicable to any low e windows I know I got the rebates. And why this picks on smaller company that maybe making better and least expansive products that are both good for consumer it is green jobs. Why not talk about freaking halliburtin or black water?
stasevich 4 months ago
@stasevich If I offered you a choice - I could either give you a million dollars, but you can only spend it to attend baseball games, or I could give you half a million instead and you can spend it on whatever you like, what would you choose? If you are not a baseball fan, you'd probably choose the latter. Keeping your cash is worth more to you than getting tax credits.
RiNSpy 4 months ago
@RiNSpy ah, but u are wrong. We, as the public, are too stupid to know what to spend our money on. We just are too dumb. We need Pelosi and Obama to guide us in our spending, because they are so much wiser than we.
MrHamncheez 2 months ago
Protectionism.
Seiku 7 months ago
There are 2 types of private businesses. the first are those that just work within the market and competition and the second are businesses that cheat the natural market by going to the government and using their coercion to limit competition and gain a business reputation for which they havent actually earned.
its corrupt, sinister and reminds me of fascism.
Conneisseur2 1 year ago 3
What, my politicians crooked? It's more likely than you think.
GumbaMasta 1 year ago
It's a fundamental theme in Atlas Shrugged, and now we see this novel being played out in reality, and on a much larger level.
gneissday 1 year ago 3
Its not a free market when government is giving a handjob to companies.
Pyromaniac721 1 year ago 5
Didn't Bastiat warn us about this, like over 150 year ago?
ascii7085 1 year ago 3
Stossel - The best show on Fox News (and MSNBC, CNN).
JohnGaltSpeaking1981 1 year ago
Considering that no absolute facts were given to the effect of Serious windows being the most energy efficient, I'd rather the attention, tax credit, etc be given to a larger company with considerably more employees. If Serious windows was aggreeably the most energy efficient I could understand.
bodetree 2 years ago
@bodetree
How about no intervention? Let the consumers pick the winners and losers.
It's rocket science; I know...
selfrealizedexile 2 years ago 6
Want a great example from health care? Check out a medical technology company from Chicago called Allscripts. It has Obama's dirty fingerprints all over it.
They paid me $25/hour to tape up banners at their stupid sales conference last year. I couldn't figure out why - until I did some digging. Telling doctors, in effect "buy our product now, or 4 years from now, be fined for not doing it" is really tough salesmanship. LOL.
grantsinmypants2 2 years ago 3
Is that bald guy, in the beige shirt, in the audience - is that Dan Edge?
grantsinmypants2 2 years ago
taa daa
MasterTxJ 2 years ago 3
I love how Stossel hands Maddow her ass.
sniper6081 2 years ago 30
Serious Windows - Crony Capitalism
What about Goldman Sachs?
What about Halliburton?
What about Health Insurance Companies?
Crony capitalism is a bi-partisan corruption!
A better word for it is Corporatism!!!!!!!
initity4iver 2 years ago 2
fascism
Minionuup 2 years ago
If I was Rich Daley, I wouldn't allow handguns in the city either.....for fear someone would get tired of me and my family and friends ripping them the hell off, and shoot the whole dirty lot of us!!!!lol
Federalist306 2 years ago
fucking Daley
kubaniski 2 years ago 2
This is life in Chicago. It is a city run on Crony capitalism. That is why Mayor Daley was standing next to Biden
swenner64 2 years ago
The government should not pick winners and losers, that is what helped get us in this mess.
bertly71 2 years ago 2
This should be called corrupted Socialists at work.
This has absolutely nothing to do with capitalism, their product is not competing for business, it is being handed work by government through top notch free advertising.
phantomcharger 2 years ago 2
this is sickening
senorfarqueso 2 years ago 3
I hate the term "Crony Capitalism". It's virtually an oxymoron. Just call it what it is... fascism.
incrediblemulk42 2 years ago 25
@incrediblemulk42 It's time to call a duck a duck. It is corruption.
Reason1600 10 months ago
@incrediblemulk42 Pure capitalism depends upon the consumer making choices, and depending on those choices some companies fail and some succeed. There is nothing "crony" about capitalism when big government's not involved. If you don't like a company's product, management, or size, shop elsewhere.
LibertarianBrit 5 months ago
You're exactly right.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
"Crony Capitalism" aka "Corporatism".
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago 2
LibertyPen, you are the best. Thank you so much for making these great stuff available.
picapauengracado 2 years ago 2
OK, this guy exposes more truths than the partisan networks. How come I don't see a concerted effort to stifle him so much?
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
Unlike the rest of the bill of rights, the 1st amendment is still fairly well guarded by American "liberals" ("citizens united" court case outstanding). But do notice how Stossel is now working for Fox, the only major broadcaster white house denied access. I wouldn't be surprised if beforehand the white house hinted they wouldn't invite over news statons that dissented much, and hence why ABC reduced his reporting flexibility, making him quit.
picapauengracado 2 years ago 2
I had no idea that he quit, and even less idea that ABC DID stifle him as much as you say! He sure got out more than I expected he could! Really? He's working for Fox now? I mean, I'm no hate for Fox, but aren't they just republican shills these days? If Stossel's not muzzled one way, he might be in another, albeit to a lesser capacity...
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
He does work for Fox now, but the reasons why he switched stations were publicly disclosed. Those are my conjecture alone. It is clear however he has much more liberty of reporting under Fox than he did in recent times under ABC. You should checkout his coverage of the Ayn Rand anniversary, health care and global warming. (See the favorites in my youtube page.) He had some pretty controversial but intelligent people on.
picapauengracado 2 years ago
Thanks! I'll check 'em out!
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
I meant NOT publicly disclosed.
picapauengracado 2 years ago
nest of thieves.
fzqlcs 2 years ago 2
Got any opinions on what to do about all this? How to FIX govt and make it work right?
Personally I think they- those in govt, all need to go to prison for the rest of their lives and forfeit all their assets back to The People.
mallardhead 2 years ago 3
Buying from Serious's competitors might be a start...
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
@QuartuvLarry
That's not nearly enough... as govt will force this trend of buying govt endorsement and govt will shutout competition. Why don't folk see this govt is only for big govt and govt controlled big business? Guess they control most media!
mallardhead 2 years ago
It may not ultimately be enough, but look at how Ford has fared. They took no money from the government, and they're doing better than GM, last I heard.
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago
@QuartuvLarry
Luv yer monickar! Please note: Ford's success threatens Obamanomics; so Ford's gotta target on it. Watch and see! The full force of govt will bear down on Ford. GM needs to be disbanded and the political power of Union Bosses must be broken, too!
mallardhead 2 years ago
@mallardhead
seems to me that the first car companys they will start putting the hurts on will be the foreign cars that compete with american unions AND GM. Like, ..oh..I dunno....Toyota?! Na no way they would try to hurt Toyota's sales with something like propaganda. To do that you would need network news in your pocket. (sarcasm is now being displayed)
pensword5 2 years ago
@pensword5
=D
I got that..... so what's to be done? You can message. I am on Obama's watch list!
mallardhead 2 years ago
Well, I figure when they are finished "helping" the auto industry I would start a rickshaw business cause that may be the only mode of transportation still working (as it does not fall under the regulation of our dear leaders in washington, at least so far its un-regulated)
For the short term investment, sink everything you got into Wagon Wheel futures and horse feed.
pensword5 2 years ago
@pensword5
I just saw some rickshaw vids! They'll regulate everything, you know? Guess the blacksmithing interest will pay off handsomely, eh?
mallardhead 2 years ago
In fact, I'd recommend you buy from EVERY competitor that isn't getting a bail out
QuartuvLarry 2 years ago 2
Stop believing in force as a solution.
Nielsio 2 years ago
I believe in the 'force' of the vote- free, informed and uncorrupted. If The People were freely informed of all truth about their govt's corruption they'd vote for a new government and return to originalist interpretation of the Constitution. Everyone in or associated with govt would lose everything and go to prison. But The People are not freely informed. Govt hides its actions from them and continues its abuses of them. What's your suggestion?
mallardhead 2 years ago 2
Maybe an amendment to the effect that govt is forbidden to directly grant money (or employ other govt resources) to non-governmental bodies. Such process should take place in the form of public contract biddings, or subsidies to be redeemable by anyone who meets a generic specification. Courts still seem more able to uphold standards of good govt than the rest of the body.
Anyway we should think in terms of marginal improvements. If the standard is an uncorrupted govt, then you'll be paralyzed.
picapauengracado 2 years ago
@picapauengracado
Marginal only perpetuates corruption. They need to lose everything and go to prison for the rest of their lives. 110+ years of govt perversion is enough.
mallardhead 2 years ago
What do you think a subsidy is? Subsidiary/subsidy.... connection or coincidence?
theoriginalanomaly 2 years ago
I don't know the etymology of the word subsidy, no. I do know what it means in current usage and in the field of welfare economics, sure. There are many good arguments to get rid of them altogether, sure, but I wasn't getting into there. My point was that if we take it for granted govt must subsidy certain activities then there are uniform and transparent ways to do it. The let-the-president-pick-the-winner-companies strategy is definitively not one of them.
picapauengracado 2 years ago
BTW, wrt green subsidies, my knowledge of economics is limited, but I'm pretty sure Pareto policy recommendation would be to tax fossil fuels, not to subsidy green ones. There are many ways to cut fossil fuels that don't involve migrating to some other form of fuel, just like reducing fuel consumption through insulation or by using collective forms of commutation. Remember tax and subsidies involve only manipulation of information, not creating wealth (to subsidy, you must tax, and vice-verse).
picapauengracado 2 years ago
Not sure why I babbled about welfare economics, but since I did I guess I should clarify what I was saying. By taxing fossil fuels, you're not making energy more expensive. Just like if you subsidy energy, you won't make it cheaper. The taxes you pay in energy get subtracted by the general taxes. And the subsidies you are given to buy green stuff come from the general taxes. You're nudging behavior. If fossil fuels have negative externalities, you want to tax them, and let ppl find alternatives.
picapauengracado 2 years ago
You should read "Greys Anatomy" it discuses the falicy of gov trying to control or influince peoples behavior and the errors of that train of logic.(what seems like a good idea on the surface often isnt)
pensword5 2 years ago
I agree. But unfortunately what they are doing is legal ... if not moral. And you can't put people in jail who have broken no laws. The best one can hope for is for the voters to toss them out of office next election. But the voters don't seem to care; after all, crony capitalism has been going on for a long time and the yet bums are still there. How to get voters to care? THAT's the question the defenders of liberty have to answer.
nasaguy 2 years ago 3
only a perfect reason for me to move to mexico or canada or something....*sigh8
bodybuilder444444 2 years ago
I still remember when there were certain "green" businesses pushing the stimulus bill. I could tell it was a ruse. OBVIOUSLY the businesses weren't gonna refuse the offer of corporate welfare in teh stimulus! Rent-seeking 101. But, of course, these businessmen acted like they actually felt like it would work as a whole on its merits.
whoo689 2 years ago 2
very good informative video that shows how crooked some politicians are, trying to support one company over the other. Way to make things "fair" Obama and Biden. Go ahead and give them more money.
StopFear 2 years ago 3