Aggressive Brelvies vs MPACUK

[sawban]

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[cam9408]

Yeah and you wonder why british people hate muslims? well if you look around and see how many there are in the first place that might answer your question. aka pack your bags!

[Amo786Amo]

Got to say this guy is bonkers. I would rather celebrate the milad of the prophet pbuh a time where the world was blessed with his presence rather than take part in votes. U a good muslim yeh, voting, wait a minute if u vote u take the law of the land as supreme law whereas a muslim takes the law of allah azzawajal as supreme law. voting in elections is shirk - voting for man made law is shirk as us muslims have law in allahs law, the shariah.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo But you can vote if it there is danger that a person who is against islam can come into power. That is the ruling of the scholars. The Prophet (SAWS) stood for justice and action.

By the way who loved the Prophet (SAWS) the most?? of course his family and companions but did they celebrate his birthday?? NO

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban bro u contradict urself. Yes u can vote to stop a person who is against islam but ur vote should be against him due to being in favour of the shariah - the current islamic parties winning would not implement shariah so the vote would be haraam. bro u contradict urself. Yes u can vote to stop a person who is against islam but ur vote should be against him due to being in favour of the shariah - the current islamic parties winning would not implement shariah so the vote would be haraam.

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban bruv type "Shaykh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi On Celebrating Mawlid (THE BIRTHDAY OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD" in youtube & watch this video. this sheikhs family tree confirms him a descendant of Hazrat Ali R.A - he will tell you that milad can be celebrated & he will provide u with proof. take care bruv.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo But did Hazrat Ali (RAA) celebrate the birthday of the Prophet (SAWS) did Hassan (RAA) and Hussain (RAA) celebrate it???

Go ask a scholar on the ruling of voting, then come back to me.

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban like i says bro - watch the videos i sent u then respond - forget me asking a scholar im sending u videos of scholars to explain it to u, so no need 4 me to ask a scholar, i have sent u responses quoted from top scholars. another video with proof.. watch "Answer to Dr Zakir Naik Did Prophet Muhammad PBUH amp his Companions Celebrated Birthday" that video is by shaykhul islam dr muhammad tahir ul qadri. watch the videos before responding - u may learn something.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo He might be your sheikh ul islam but not mine mate. Ask these same scholars about voting and they will give you the answer, many brelvis are hardcore into politics in local areas.

Next you're going to tell me that the Prophet (saws) is equal to Allah, and tell me to watch the scholars of bidah

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban watch "Islamic Parties: is This Sunnah? You Walk On The Road To Shirk To Bring Islam- Sheikh Imran Hosein" & u will get ur answer abt voting. Islamic parties have to follow the UN charter which all countries have to abide by which means they submit supreme authority to the UN so this is haraam as supreme authority is ALLAHs. as the title says u walk the road of shirk to spread islam? This was not the prophet pbuh way even if u wud put the sun in his right hand & the moon in his left.

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban No rasoolallah saw is not equal to allah - as the shahaadah says he is the MESSENGER of allah - u need to seriously fix up - forget the man made human sects and concentrate on studying islam properly u twat. ur just being ridiculous with ur assumptions.u need to learn how to love the prophet pbuh & send durood upon him as even allah himself sends durood upon the prophet pbuh.u r not a true believer until u do not love the prophet pbuh more than ur parents ur family etc thats a FACT!

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Why you calling me a twat? How do you know I don't have love for the Prophet (SAWS)? because I don't agree with these turn the other cheek sufi bidah scholars on marching on the street on the Prophets (SAWS) birthday. How do you know I dont send durood on the beloved Prophet (SAWS)?? Typical sufi, any argument against your ways you get rude and start calling names like little kids. Take your own advice on studying islam and not these innovators

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban Well u shudnt jump to assumptions as u did & there wud b no need to call u a twat. U r too involved in the man made differences with these man made sects - all things in the videos i sent u r from qu'ran, hadeeth & sunnah nothing else.That is islam, not ur a barelvi ur a wahabi i dont believe what u believe, now thats childish cuz rasoolallah saw & allah told us to be muslims not wahabi sufi. I class myself a sunni muslim not a barelvi, wahabi salafi or anything else just a sunni muslim.

[Amo786Amo]

@Amo786Amo Those ppl u call barelvis in the video - whats wrong with partaking in a march,going to the masjid & having speeches from learned scholars all day long & provide food -whats so wrong with that??? I wud rather do that than distribute leaflets for voting for a man made law, walking the road of shirk to spread islam. that was definitely not the way of the prophet saw. B4 u respond about voting - learn from the quran & hadith & the vid i sent u not some scholar busy with sect arguments.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Right your not brelwi. Who else calls tahir qadri sheikh ul islam. Get over it there are sects, and you must be the only one who is pure muslim. You are defo a brelwi, you agree with their methods and their innovations in the deen. Ask your local scholar about voting, and marching and singing nasheeds on the Prophets birthday was not the way of the Prophet (SAWS), the Ahlul Bait, his companions and the Salafe Saaliheen.

My assumption is you have videos filled with jamati islami

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban Yes there are sects - made by who? man. why dont u read the quran & understand it for urself y make urself part of a sect, secularism causes division & the prophet pbuh wanted the ummah united so better to stay away from sects. & Dawateislami, look at the bro's crazy abt the sunnah of prophet pbuh & u criticise them shame on u - u carry on assuming. all i can say is ur walking a dangerous path with these sects, forget secularising think of uniting the ummah like the prophet pbuh wanted.

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban i have told u abt voting - i dnt nd to ask a scholar i have sent u a scholars response to ur question all i ask is u take time to watch it as verses of the quran & bukhari sharif hadith are quoted as proof.The prophet pbuh used to fast every monday in celebration of his birthday - each farz prayer u read is a celebration of a prophet of allah reading their farz - around 50% of islam is based on celebrations.Unlike u i dont just FOLLOW what scholars tell me i follow it up with research.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Dawate islami are hardcore brelwi's go see the vids where they are dancing, all scholars are from a school of thought no one has a time machine and no. You can bang on about how much you research and I dont, but please if you did you won't be following innovators like brelwis and dawate islami, I've done research to know their deviant ways.

I don't do my research on google

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban seems like u must research on yahoo if not google. I use the quran & hadith as my only equipment of research. So what sect r u? Salafi wahabi bcuz whatever dawateislami do & they way they go on they show alot more love for rasoolallah SAW than alot of ppl. as for dancing they dont dance, have u ever experienced something called WAJD (trance)? Those with noor in the heart when they do zikr they go in to wajd for a certain period of time.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo On the date of his birth i.e 12th of rabbi al awal did the Prophet (SAWS) celebrate on that day, or his companions who loved him more than anyone??

You keep telling me about studying but if you had studied you would know what a bidah is. You keep saying whats wrong with it, what is wrong is that it is a biddah (INNOVATION), go and research when this celebration started, it started hundreds of years after the Prophet (SAWS) passing away.

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban the quran was compiled in to 1 book after the prophet pbuh passed away as the quran was revealed in verses. does that mean we should not read the quran?

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Like I said a bidah is something that has no LINK with shariah. Did I say the Quran has no link, and who compiled the Quran? of course the sahaba, but did they celebrate the birthday of the Prophet (SAWS)? I have asked this before and you refuse to answer.

I am a muslim, who follows the school of though of Imam Abu Hanifa (RA) and the scholars of Deoband, I am clearly part of Ahlul sunnah wal jamaah.

You follow Quran and Hadith directly? so how do you read your salah?

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Bidah does not mean anything that is not in Quran and hadith, there are things that are not in Quran and Hadith but they have a link so those are not classified as bidah

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban then how can u say celebrating milad is bidah - u say milad was celebrated after the prophet pbuh passed away, the quran was compiled in to 1 book after the prophet pbuh passed away - these both fall in to the same category of occuring after the prophet pbuh passed away so if u say 1 is bidah u must b saying both are bidah as both occurred after the prophet pbuh passed away. U contradict urself many a time in our conversations - read the comments u have posted for urself & u will c.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Read my last post. It has to have a link to the Quran and hadith. You keep avoiding my question. The sahaba compiled the Quran but were very reluctant and cautious in doing so, but the reason for Quran being compiled and milad celebrated are very different and like I said before the SAHABA WHO LOVED THE PROPHET (SAWS) AND WHO COMPILED THE QURAN DID NOT CELEBRATE THE PROPHETS BIRTHDAY NEVER. GO RESEARCH THE ORIGINS OF THIS BIDAH

Listen to this all:

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[Amo786Amo]

@sawban the prophet himself celebrated in honours of his birth. have u watched the videos i have sent u - there any many proofs of this just a shame u wont watch the vids i sent u. i will watch what u have sent & i'll respond.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo I don't know why I need to repeat myself. There's a difference to what the Prophet (SAWS) did and what the brewli's and sufi's do. The first video you sent me I watched and he mentions the greatness of the our Rasul (SAWS) and the love we should have of him. There is no proof that shows that the Prophet (SAWS) once a year on his birthday would march on the streets, sing nasheeds, and NEVER stated that it was a eid which brelwis call it a 3rd eid

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban U still havent answered my point, the prophet pbuh did not read the quran in the form of 1 book just as he did not march on his birthday, so if he did not do both r u basically saying they r both bidah? If 1 is bidah then both r bidah as the prophet pbuh didnt do either. u should choose & select ur words carefully rather than jumping to bidah this bidah that. U sound like a tableegh jamat follower. What sect do u class urself part of?

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Bro u should read carefully before trying to be smart. I said LINK, THERE HAS TO HAVE A LINK, I didn't say ANYTHING THE PROPHET (SAWS) DID NOT DO IS BIDAH. Did you know that the Prophet (SAWS) said to follow the sunnah's of his companions especially the two after him (Abu bakr and Umar raa), so Abu bakr (raa) was in charge of the Qurans compilation.

When there is a clear bidah, there is nothing else to call it but a bidah

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo I already cleared my Aqeedah to you, but you do not have a clue what a sect is, so no need to go further in that subject.

You dawate islami and brelwi's accept any bidah and justify it with stories and example from outside of the Quran, sunnah and salafe saaliheen.

You still refuse to answer my question, Did the Sahabah, the Ahlul Bait and Salafe saliheen who loved the Prophet (saws) more than anyone, celebrate milad like the brelwi's and sufis do nowadays??

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban So ur a salafi. All said.U carry on ur way i'll carry on my way i will recommend u study the quran & hadith urself & avoid imams busy in secularising the ummah. I guess u must interprete hadiths literally too & not referring to religious symbolism. Oh well u salafis never learn.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Like I said you don't know about sects. If you knew what salafi's believe and if you understood my earlier post when I told you my source of knowledge and school of thought you would know I am not a salafi everyone would notice that, but you.

I would love to know how you study the Quran and hadith yourself, who's your teacher? if you don't have one then enough said

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo You have no answer so you got to try a cheap shot. Typical brelwi, when you don't know you just accusing.

You've already shown how much of the hadith you know with your weak examples of justifying a clear innovation and you clearly do not know the dangers of bidah, don't know how that can happen because you have studied the Quran and hadith

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Lol, I just noticed how you must have come to the conclusion of me being a salafi. You thought salafe saliheen are the salafi's of nowadays. Salafe saliheen means pious predecessors mainly from the best of times, which is the times of Sahaba, tabi'een and taba tabi'een.

No need to carry on bro, seriously. I already told you don't know about sects and so far you have shown very weak knowledge of hadith, no need making it worse for yourself please.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Just study and ask around and most importantly ask Allah for guidance and to open your heart to the straight path.

May Allah guide you

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban Alhamdulillah allah is guiding me & I have to say U R THE WEAK ONE, u have contradicted urself too many a time - u class anything bidah - still didnt answer my question regarding the qu'ran - im glad i dnt knw abt sects, dnt wanna either as i wud b confused like u & i wud rather use that time reading the quran & hadith & trying to understand them thats when allah guides u so u wont need a secular scholar to worry u abt this sect or that.Concentrate on being a muslim than part of a sect.

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban no need to ask around - why ask & follow when u can ask, research & then study - why not ask a scholar who cudnt care abt sects like sheikh imran hosein & listen to him explain the ahadith to u thats knowledge - not asking tom dick or harry what their views are & then start following them. Dont follow opinions research them & dont believe it until u r convinced that it is right. Take care & may allah guide u away from the fitna of dajjal & this world of sects.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo I answered your Quran question mate, if you truly studied hadith you would know of these hadith of the Prophet (saws): "You must follow my Sunna and the Sunna of the rightly-guided, upright successors after me." and "If they obey Abu Bakr and `Umar they shall follow the right direction." He said this three times. Who was in charge of compiling Quran? I'll tell you Abu Bakr (raa). There I've answered your question AGAIN but you have not answered mine.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo The sect I follow is Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah. You are very ignorant of these things and talk like you have a lot of knowledge. Ask Sheikh Imran how he read his salah if he doesn't follow no imams or group. There is hardly any muslims out there with your position as that cannot be done as we are 1400 years away from the Prphet (saws) and have no time machine. How do you read your salah? and most importantly if you truly read the hadith you would see brelwi's contradict a lot of them

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban C u didnt even understand what i said abt teachers & theres u thinking I have no teacher. teachers i follow are teachers who are only interetsed in quran hadith & sunnah not some molvi arguing abt sects & swearing at each other - 99% of these secular scholars cant even debate without swearing & being aggressive thats why i said to stay away from secular scholars. seems u have fallen behind in ur literature too following these secular scholars. Have u actually listened to Shekh Imran???

[Amo786Amo]

@Amo786Amo U r just trying to nit pick little issues as secular scholars do - concentrate on uniting under common ground than secularising urself. Secularising is BIDAH so face it. Well wahabis, salafis also say they are ahle sunnah wal jamaat. Every muslim who is not shia says they are sunni. U seem more like a follower than a leader - u need to stand up to secularism as that is dajjals biggest tool - look how secular the world is, is that how the prophet PBUH wanted his ummah, secularised?

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Unity is important, but I was pointing out a clear biddah.

Have you come across these hadith mr muhadith:

“Hadhrat Abdullah Bin Abbaas [رضي الله عنه] reports from Nabi [صلى الله عليه وسلم]: ‘Allah has refused to accept the deeds of a Bid`ati, until he refrains from his Bid`ah.’”

Hadhrat Anas Bin Maalik [رضي الله عنه] reports that Rasulullah [صلى الله عليه وسلم] said:

“Indeed Allaah has closed all the doors of Tawbah for the Bid`ati.”

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban should follow the hadith & refrain from sects then & think of ways of uniting the ummah with the common grounds as tough times are coming up for the ummah & to get through the ummah needs to be united not secularised.these secular arguments arent going to help the muslims who are dying around the world. u need to give up this sect business & focus on islam properly with teachers who want to teach islam not secular division like sheikh riyadh ul haq. he's a known undercover gangster.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo What you on about getaway driver??? Do you even what crap you're on about you idiot. Typical baseless brelwi rant. Like I said how do you read salah? If you don't follow scholars or a school of thought then how do you read salah? If you say according to hadith, then which hadith's? If you understand how the deen came to us intact then you would know, but your ignorance in these matters speak for themselves. Sheikh Riyadh has a sanad of his teachings.

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban Yes sheikh riyadh was a getaway driver in a shooting in moseley/blasall heath birmingham a few years back he was in the local newspaper too rumour was it was to do with a sunni/wahabi debate some rumours were it was to do with drugs & some say it was revenge attack for tony azmat who was shot in the gym in sparkhill bham.u do not even know the person u study from - fix up.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Sheikh Imran, I have heard of him before but I do not know where he has studied to gain his knowledge. You bang on about him so much, but he is not even in living in uk so you have proven that you take your deen from the internet and you tube. How can you get in touch with him if you have any queries? Another reason why I do not rely on Sheikh Imran, is his dajjal theory where he says that dajjal is not a man but a system, but the Prophet (saws) said he will be a man

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban u have misquoted the sheikh - what the sheikh quotes is that dajjal will appear in the form of a man after he has completed a day like a yr a day like a month a day like a wk as the hadith says the rest of dajjals days will b like ur days meaning human days & refers to the hadith describing dajjal. what his OPINION is dajjal is ruling the earth in a day like a mnth in this moment in time allah knws best & the zionist system in the world today is dajjal at work thru his helpers/folowers.

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban he has studied in al azhar university & many other universities all over the world as well as pakistan, his teacher was maulana fazlurrahman ansari raheemamullah. as well as degrees in international & political relations & a degree to do with global economy. If u wish to speak & learn from him visit his website sheikimranhoseinDOTorg.He has many books which if u r in bham i will gladly give u 2 read.u may have got to know abt imran hosein via utube bt iv been following him since 1998.

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban He studied Islam, Philosophy and International Relations at several universities and institutions of higher learning. Among them are al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt, the Institute of International Relations of the University of the West Indies in Trinidad, the University of Karachi in Pakistan, the Aleemiyah Institute of Islamic Studies in Karachi, Pakistan, and the Graduate Institute of International Studies in Geneva, Switzerland.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo I would rather follow scholarS whom I trust, are local and I can keep in touch rather than the internet, and not one man. You say you stay away from sects but look at your hate towards none brelwi's, you even know what a wahabi means and where it originates from? you say it (like brelwis do) in a derogatory way. That story about sheikh Riyadh is trash, typical brelwi rumours. Provide proof, there must be a article online

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban R u from bham? Y was he told to leave bham central mosque? As he brought the mosques name in to disrepute. Wahabis r sick ppl go bk in time when the khilafah was destroyed the wahabi royal saud whom saudi arabia is named after today helped get rid of the khilafah declaring no one can claim bayah & he was paid by the zionists. zionists luv u ppl, ppl who create division their motto is divide & conquer.Abu wahab is a very dispicable man.

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban scholars who are involved in shootings possibly drug related & u say these so called scholars should be trusted teaching islam. u chat rubbish. ppl like sheikh riyadh manipulate islam to suit themselves.y dnt u ask sheikh urself being a sheikh he wont lie 2 his student wud he??? I dnt hate brelwis deobandis salafis bro - my aim is opposite 2 urs rather than secularise, divide & make sects & abuse each sect i try uniting under our common ground.Wahabis r derogatory followers of abu wahab

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo You ignorant foolish idiot, typical ignorance. Wahab is one of the 99 names of Allah did you know that you ignorant person? The followers of saudi scholars call themselves SALAFI not wahabi, so what right do you have to use Allah's name in a derogatory manner towards them. I am not a salafi. I know history of Saudi as I do of india and research the teachers of Sheikh Riyadh, you will see the difference between them and brelwi's.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo I've checked up your stupid accusation. He was questioned and no charges made against him therefore he is innocent. do you know the unseen mate? how do you know he was guilty of the crime because he isn't a brelwi? If you have proof show me and also take it to the police.

Second point, I laid waste to your justifications of bidah and celebrating the birth of the Prophet (saws). Read the hadith's and not just Sheikh Imran's speeches

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban U dont even know ur own teacher never mind his teachers - hes a damn criminal - 1 of the injured ppl Azmat Yaqoob was shot dead after that incident. Sheikh is linked with Suleyman & Co drug dealers from Sparkhill. Typical of u - I knw wahab is a name of allah but u ppl get ur quote wahabi from following abu wahab, a disgrace to the muslim ummah. Just like u must follow Ashraf ali thanvi another gustakhe rasool.

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban U havent laid waste to anything but urself & ur waste of a criminal teacher in shaykh riyadh ul haq. hes a fuckin drug barron hu lives off drug money - u call that islam? Where u from? R u from birmingham - go speak to the committee running bham central mosque & ask them abt him. U say u researched this & that u dnt ebven know ur teacher properly so go fix up. I can c where u get ur stubbornness from = just like riyadh ul haq.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo You sad pathetic fool. look at your rude language. Abdul Wahab means slave of Al Wahab (Allah). No I don't take from him, typical brelwi accusations. You need provide proof, show me or send me a link you cant all you can do is rant and accuse.

Al-Ahzab, Chapter #33, Verse #58

"And those who speak evil things of the believing men and the believing women without their having earned (it), they are guilty indeed of a false accusation and a manifest sin."

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo If you know its Allah's name then how can you use it a derogatory manner. Say if his name was Muhammad. Cant you see the ignorant brelwi ways and yet you rant that you dont follow a sect, your words speak for themselves.

I will lay waste again to your bidah. Ahlus sunnah wal jamah means to follow the sunnah of the Prophet(saws) and to follow the jamah (group) meaning the Sahaba. Now none of them celebrated the birth of the Prophet(saws) so how can one claim to be part of Ahlus Sunnah

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban because im nt referring 2 Allah im referring to abu wahab whom sheikh & co follow. U say u follow sunnah of prophet saws bt yet u hv a gustakhe rasool as a teacher - again u laid waste to urself u stupid idiot.fix up ur a wasteman with ur wasted gustakhe rasool teachers.I dnt need to waste my time with u - I knw sheikh riyadh in person which i doubt u do - u follow him let him lead u astray. dont say u wernt warned. same sheikh hu kicked a person out the mosque for reading salatu salam.

[Amo786Amo]

@Amo786Amo yes i repeat sheikh riyadh ul haq & dr nasim actually threw some one out of the bham central mosque for reading salatu salam after juma - u dnt knw ur sheikh yet u try protecting him - face it he is a criminal scum & ur heading the same way following him. now go get sum1 else to listen 2 u as i have heard sheikh riyadh. I used to go to sheikhs talk abt 16-18 yrs ago. how lng do u knw him? hv u met him in person?

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Unlike you I don't blindly follow one scholar, and no i dont know him but I know where he has studied and know scholars very well from that same institution. I never said I only follow him u ignorant fool. Do a bit of research it's not abu wahab (father of Wahab) fool. His full name is Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab, Muhammad SON OF Abdul Wahab, but why do you ignorant fools have to use Allah's name in derogatory way? his own name IS Muhammad. Did you even know that?

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Like I said you can't provide proof, typical hateful cowardly brelwi's. You still try to avoid my FIRST question, and cannot even explain your deviant and clear bidah of celebrating the Prophet(saws) birthday. You keep trying to dodge my question and I have laid waste to your petty reasoning of bidah. Do you even know who ahmad raza khan is? he's a takfiri and brought many new deviant beliefs into the deen you also he would call himself a dog and bark like one? these r not accusations

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban U kp following those gustakhe rasool all i got to say on that is JO HO NA ISHQE MUSTAFA USS SE KUTHE BHI UCHE! U go ur way i'll go my way - u claim to follow the prophet pbuh but follow big time gustakhe rasool like sheikh riyadh & the teachings of whateva u wanna call him abu wahab. Its the month of rabi ul awwal may allah give u hidayah & show u the noor to the masjid to learn from aashiqe rasool NOT gustakhe rasool. Allah Hafiz.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo When did I say I follow Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab??? I don't. You guys call anyone a gustakhe who doesn't follow in your clear deviant bidahs, but yet cannot even prove any legitame reasons for these bidahs as you are now just repeating the barks of the dogs but have no clue to why you call others wahabi or why you celebrate birthday of Prophet(saws). Show me proofs of their teachings which show they are gustakhe, u can't. You just repeat and blindly follow the self titled dogs

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Funny you see guys on these marches that boast they are ashiqe rasool but dont even have a beard which is a sunnah of the Beloved(saws). Yet others who adopt this sunnah and others sunnahs like having trousers between the knees and ankles like Prophet(saws) are gustakhes. They believe that just by chanting and boasting they will enter jannah without sacrificing and working hard for Allah and going through tough trials. Like christians who believe they will enter paradise by faith only

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban U said it urself in earlier comments the prophet used to fast every monday in celebration of monday being the day he was born u dimwit. So everyone going to the mosque on eid milad un nabi & praising the prophet pbuh reading the quran is commiting bidah? U just piss off bk to ur gustakhe rasool teachers. Go get a life & hassle sum1 else - trying to teach me things u learnt from a criminal & a gustakhe rasool. He'll teach u how to commit crime next & say it is not a sin. Muppets.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo your ignorance has spoken for itself. Do these brelwi innovators that march around on the birthday of the Prophet(saws) fast on mondays. Theres a big difference between fasting on mondays, which Rasullulah(saws) and his companions did and celebrating birthday once a year which began 600yrs after the Prophets(saws) death which was started by a innovating king after seeing the christians celebrating the birth of Isa(as). Who declared it an EID?? You haven't studied nothing

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Typical brelwi language, when you don't know why you practise your deviant ways just start swearing and being abusive and throw false cowardly baseless accusations. You told before to study but you have proven that you haven't studied nothing yourself. I gave quotes and proofs from Hadith whereas you just keep repeating the cowardly barks of the ignorant dogs.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo u trying to say the Sahaba didnt love the Prophet(saws) because they didn't celebrate the birthday of the Prophet(saws)?

"whoever introduces anything that is not part of Deen, into this Deen of ours, it shall be rejected." (Bukhari)

"Hold steadfast onto my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly-guided Khulafaa, after me. Hold steadfast onto it firmly, and beware of newly-introduced practices, for every new practice is an innovation and every innovation leads one astray." (Abu Dawood)

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban Brelwis may contradict hadith but thats human & u dont learn if u dont make mistakes as u learn from ur mistakes. forget worrying abt others - u contradicted urself too many times in our conversations, worry abt fixing urself before fixing others. Do salaatulistikhaara abt the teachers u follow - c what outcome u get. trust me, u will be surprised.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Bro there is no need in going on, you are confused and you can try to act like you're the only one in the world who is just a PURE muslim. I know very well about the scholars and school of thought I follow, I have researched when I was in the period of confusion and Allah guided me. I have not contradicted anything, and you just said that contradicting hadith is natural. If you research history you would know the level of knowledge and caution of the scholars, they were not laymen

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo You should research the structure and sanad of the research of scholars. They are not ignorant laymen who pick up hadith over 1400 yrs later and research themselves, that is the job of the shy lazy muslim. True scholars have thing called Sanad, their teachings have been passed down to them in a chain of scholars leading upto the Prophet (saws). Here's one example of a sanad from a pious and reliable scholar Sheikh Riyadh ul Haq:

/watch?v=YePXWGxc52Y

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban Sheikh Riyadh ul haq former birmingham central mosque imam the same guy who was a getaway driver in a shooting? The same sheikh who turned ppl i grew up with & a few of my relatives in to KUTTAR WAHABIS! - he is a known gustakhe rasool yet u big him up. fix up. i know that sheikh in person mate u definitely need to fix up.u claim 2 b aashiqe rasool yet u follow a gustakhe rasool - yeh rite fix up.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo The Prophet (SAWS) also read tahajjud at the time of his birth. It is sunnah to read tahhajud every day and fast on mondays, but not marching and celebrating like the brelwi's once a year.

You are the one relying on brelwi, sufi scholars and accepting their reasonings and rulings over a clear biddah. Then at the same time you are saying you don't rely on scholars. I am of the opinion that scholars should be relied on as they are experts of the deen

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban yes scholars should definitely b ther to rely on, those scholars who spread islam & bring the ummah 2geva nt those scholars who commit bidah in creating sects.The same scholars who walk the road of shirk to spread islam. surah al maida speaks of these kind of ppl - "they have eyes bt do not see they have ears bt do not hear they have hearts bt do not understand, these ppl are like cattle" when allah puts noor in the heart only then the heart sees hears & understands & allah guides u.

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Just as you would rely on a doctor when you or a family member has an illness or injury, you won't pick up a medical book and diagnose and treat yourself or family member. Without scholars we would not even have hadith in front of us. But the difference is finding the right scholars, not one's who think something is good but is a clear innovation.

Go and find out the warnings of the Prophet (saws) on biddah. Biddah is something that has no link with shariah

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo It is sunnah to fast on mondays and thursdays, it has nothing to do with the birth of the Beloved (SAWS). But fasting is different to marching and blocking off roads and singing nasheeds in urdu and then claim they are doing dawah at the same time

[sawban]

@Amo786Amo Yes the Prophet (saws) did fast on mondays as it was the day he was born, there is no mention that the Prophet (saws) celebrated once a year on his birthday. Also the Prophet (saws) passed away on the same date as his birthday.

These celebrations are clear innovations

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban ther u go the prophet pbuh used to fast evry monday as that was the day he was BORN which is a celebration of the DAY he was born on - whats wrong with celebrating the date of the prophets BIRTH, not his death but his BIRTH? The prophet celebrated the day he was born by fasting evry monday & u tell us it is wrong to celebrate his birth? Ppl r invited to the masjid on his birthday, quran is recited nasheeds are read speeches are given its an oppurtunity to get brothers 2gva hws dat wrong?

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban the prophet himself celebrated the day he was born on so whts wrng with muslims celebrating his birth - yes his death is the same date but remember the was no salatul janazah read on the prophet pbuh. salatul janazah is for the dead - the prophet pbuh is still alive just not in human form. Allah looks at intentions (niyyah) & he sees the niyyah of those who celebrate rasoolallah SAWs birth.Seriously u shud study the quran & hadith urself to understand dont rely on secular scholars.

[Amo786Amo]

@sawban again the 3 videos are 1 "Islamic Parties: is This Sunnah? You Walk On The Road To Shirk To Bring Islam- Sheikh Imran Hosein" 2 "Shaykh Muhammad Al Yaqoubi On Celebrating Mawlid (THE BIRTHDAY OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD" 3 "Answer to Dr Zakir Naik Did Prophet Muhammad PBUH amp his Companions Celebrated Birthday"by shaykhul islam dr muhammad tahir ul qadri. assalamu alaikum.

[charlieiscool1000]

the guy at 2:58 needs to shut the hell up about Boris it seems hes bought by the far left communist red Ken who is power Hungary and obsessed with running for power again the Muslim guy was prob paid a lot of money by Ken Livingstone to say all those things who dose he think he is.

[Cypher796]

Why didn't you simply just move the fuck out of the way? .... you can see it is a march .... they don't want to be interrupted by idiots like you.

When the election comes, they will vote if they want to.

simple.

[Myurbanphilosophy]

I vote for ukip however I do not think boris johnson is racist? His great grandfather was a turk and his wife half indian for christ sake. How can he be racist? The problem is the ever increasing politicisation of Islam, just like you were doing by bringing politics to a peace march. My father is also a muslim, but Iam agnostic. I will openly say every non muslim country with a large muslim population, is having major trouble. How can this be coincidence? Something going dramatically wrong.

[discocreator76]

FUCKING PAKI CUNTS, ID KILL THEM EVERY DAY IF I COULD

[sheepouz]

@discocreator76 WHATS STOPPING YOU MR. TALKER?

[foamshots1]

we need some hitler back for a few years

[sidco123]

Actually Boris johnson has turkish muslim ancestory. not too far in the past. He is closer to Islam than Ken livingstone would ever be.

Bunch of wobblers trying to stir up trouble as usual. All MPAC are, are a watered down version of the infamous and now defunct al mahajaroun.

You clowns need to get a job & chill out man.

So what if George Galloway is in the precession! This march has nothing to do with politics. It's not a roadshow for RESPECT.

Also, AGRESSION?? in the title. Didnt see any!

[zzzaaa09900]

@sidco123 barelwism is a cult made by the British to destrot. raza khan the dog asked for people to bring food to his grave.. that is kufr shit..

[aodgabelogan]

You think you're hard done by. If we went to a muslim country and tried ANYTHING AT ALL,we'd be arrested and probably executed. We let you reside in our country and you're taking the piss.

[MrCricket90]

They have argos is downtown karachi .. oh wait hang on.

[bigbear197708]

niggas wake up, we worship'd our own god way b4 da pale arab enslave;d us wid dis shit... fight r own fight. niggas only

[shebzydon]

Man, the brother was wasting his time trying to give leaflets to Brelvis.

[SuperJackthehat]

george galloway and ken livingstone are communists there anti religion how stupid are these muslims there just using u for votes the useful idiots comes to mind

[DefTheMarxist]

@SuperJackthehat They aren't Communists, but they do exploit people for votes, as do all bourgeois politicians.

[SuperJackthehat]

@DefTheMarxist communist and islamist are using each other for there own political gains. its like the hitler starlin pact and we all know what happened then. they ll turn on each other eventually

[hardman476]

@SuperJackthehat HERE HERE

[herbertwarmstrong]

I would have whipped that Muslim man handing out the leaflets with a stick like they police do in Pakistan.

[dorodbarshoma]

fuck bnp and edl but fuck u aswell mother fucker this is england why u wear like bin laden if u like bin laden so go leave in afghanistan,...THIS IS NOT CUZ OF ISLAM THIS IS OF CULTURE AND BACKGROUND LOOK WHERE THEY R FROM?TURKEY,UAE,OMAN ... R MUSLIM ASWELL BUT LOOK THEM!!!!

[w4q4ry]

dirty flippin wahabis .... these sunnis are alhamdulillah celebrating the birth of the greatest man and ur there critisizing them just bcuz a few of them mis understood what ur doing ... bcuz u can clearly see that most of the people were taking ur leaflets uuuu foools .... ! u have no love for rasulALlah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) thats why u wont succeed !!

join the march celebrate for the beloved rasulALlah and inshALlah u wont need ur effort to save the ummmah Allah is enough to save us !

[ScottishCaledonian]

Islam is filth

[devinelight101]

Islam is not a race. Its a religion its an ideology. Please stop calling it a race. Islam and the secular west are ideologically opposed. There can be no harmony and there can be no peace. I like Muslim people but as they grow bigger in the UK I looks like people are going to be hurt.

[ZionismIsTruelyEvil]

@devinelight101 only ppl gettin hurt r those whu r getting uneccasarily agitated by the whole matter and are blowing it out of proportion .... ppl cnt grasp the fact that nothing stays the same, trends emerge.develop and change over time, perhaps muslims may dominate in terms of numbers in major cities, BUT hey maybe 300 yrs later Chinese ppl may strt to dominate the UK's population,

[ZionismIsTruelyEvil]

@devinelight101 only ppl gettin hurt r those whu r getting uneccasarily agitated by the whole matter and are blowing it out of proportion .... ppl cnt grasp the fact that nothing stays the same, trends emerge.develop and change over time, perhaps muslims may dominate in terms of numbers in major cities, BUT hey maybe 300 yrs later Chinese ppl may strt to dominate the UK's population, its not as if there is going to be another crusade in the UK lool! we all got lives to live here man! lool!

[DatBRiGGA]

too bad for you boris have won but unsurprisingly he hasn't started a crackdown on muslims for being muslims.

p.s. you all need to get a life

[JainaMaina]

This video is a disappointment, ashamed that people trying to represent us muslims, the mpacuk, are acting so arrogant and calling muslim brothers insulting names 'aggressive'. MUSLIMS UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL. peace

[JainaMaina]

thirdly you do not know the views of these brothers. they are clearly passionate about their religion and to me looks like they are the ones following the way of the prophet by being peaceful and setting an example of spreading islam through peace showing what a good muslim character should be. it is their prerogative to not be political, and use that method to spread islamic values.

[JainaMaina]

secondly remember who you enemy is? not these muslim brothers, so why have you made a public display, by posting on youtube, the disagreements within our community? It has really upset me that instead of having patience and tolerance you attitude is to be arrogant and think only your views are right and anyone not jumping to your cause should be discredited

[JainaMaina]

As a muslim ofcourse i agree with what the MPACUK values are, but i think the way you are going about it is not right. Firstly you claim you care for muslim brotherhood, then why name this video 'aggressive believers' we are all on the same side and if you dnt agree with them, dont dismiss and degrade their cause, which also seems in the name of islam, by insulting them with the term aggressive.

[MegaKidsProductions]

why dont we all be friends? man im a muslim and i think we should all be friends man why why why? did allah ask for people to go around bothering others. if they want they should make posters and stick em up in places instead of going to bother everyone, i am with MPACUK but they should just stop asking!

[changingpakistan1]

Shockingly, when I learned that one of his ancesters was a Turkish Muslim I was surprised of his comments. He's also married to a Sikh so I don't know how he can be Racist but if he is, let him be. Surely, whatever happens to him for his narrow-minded opinions on others will be judged.

[o00oilallaho00o]

mashallah so tru i do beleive that politics is wrong but if you must vote to save the ummah then yh

[tpskl]

The prophet did not go around persuading people to vote for man. How about you follow the prophet in implementing Islam and the sharia instead of building your political career.

[samgreen47]

Islamofacists in action!

[ManInControI]

Paki scum

[floerschel]

What is a 'Brelvie'? I've searched Google for it but couldn't find it.

[Mxrzi]

we blam you for the 7/7 because its your religion that did it!

[floerschel]

@Mxrzi 'blame' is written with 'e'...plus no article (and no other determiner) is used with 7/7 ... I'm a GRAMMAR NAZEEE! :]

[samthegreencat47]

who let all this dross into the country? You can blame Blair /Brown and the Labour party!

[samthegreencat47]

Islamofacism at its very best!

[yeovil50]

Amazing they claim Boris Johnson as a racist, when all he did was voice his views about Islam - did he incite people to murder Muslims? . NO - he just gave his opinion, which is a BRITISH democratic right!. IF you knew anything about Boris Johnson's history, you will know his father and Grandfather were from Turkey - AND MUSLIMS!...! MPACUK love to call people racist and Islamophobes at anyone who voices an opinion against Islam.They are unintelligent, unfounded, and creating hatred all around!

[infidel1978]

Boris won it and rightly so.

[lakersrule6]

Who the hell told them celebrate Prophets birthday! Christians celebreate Jesus Alayhisalms birthday and DO THEY DO? WORSHIP HIM!!1 WAKE UP UMMAH AND STOP DOING POINTLESS MARCHES

[RajaKashmiriWaqz]

In the Holy Qur’an Allah Almighty gives a clear order to celebrate and rejoice the raising and coming of the Holy Prophet (saw). In Surah Yunus, (10:58)

“Say: Because of the( fadl) Blessings of Allah and His (rahma) Mercy you should celebrate (with happiness and pleasure). That is better than what (wealth) they amass.” the fadl and rahma in this aya is a direct reference to the Holy Prophet.He was snt to dis world being raised for mankind is the greatest fadl and rahma of Allah

[RajaKashmiriWaqz]

There is nothing wrong with celebrating Mawlid Un Nabi s.a.w.... the person who uploaded this needs to be aware of the title "aggressive barelvis" as i could say to you "agressive wahhabis" you wont like that would you ? for that reason, let people celebrate the days of Allah instead of getting muslims involved in politics and worldy matters.

[borntorace]

I DONT KNOW WHICH IS WORSE Muslim's on the street's when 'they' want .....what about the kid that got shot, not a one of them there THEN ....or any edl ....where the f were they...(down the pub, drinking with the old bill more like) when you need em,.(if anybody ever did)... to busy attacking non combatant's....

[HolteEnder85]

filth.

[JAGZiiE]

Not guna lie this video fucked me off soo much, look at u all walking round england like u belong here .. FUCK OFF BACK 2 WHERE U COME FROM UR FUKIN THIS COUNTRY UP YOU SCUM CUNTS AND TURN THAT PAKI CUNT MUSIC OFF

[dang141]

dirty flithy relgion.. BORRIS JOHNSON IS A LEGEND HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!

[stronglegproductionz]

I don't mean this in an arrogant way and I completely appreciate the efforts of the MPACUK brothers.....but you're both as crazy as each other.

Berailwis....for their obvious deviance in aqeedah.

and

MPACUK.....for thinking that it is permissable to get involved with the Kufaar political system. And not only that....but then going and promoting it.

You guys need to do your research....then and only then will you see the true and beautiful realities of Islam.

[loki6993]

racist? I wasnt aware that islam was a race, my mistake.

[KaizVideos]

ALRIGHT IM A MUSLIM ALRIGHT I AINT THAT RELIGIUS BUT THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE FINK TERRORIST ARE LIKE YOU GUYS NEED TO FUCKING CALM DOWN ITS THE prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him's) birthday but your treating it liek a protest youll scare people like this just celebrate at home or book a venue and invite all you mates but on the streets? thats a no-no...

[SuperPhi1618]

@dave00123 lol! You know you've lost the argument when you resort to pointing out the spelling / grammatical errors in someones comment.

You're a joker dave!

[SuperPhi1618]

@MARZ8734 you'll need to add the 3w's and the . at the start of the link

[SuperPhi1618]

@MARZ8734 spectator.co.uk/essays/all/139­14/just-dont-call-it-war.thtml­

[SuperPhi1618]

@MARZ8734 the comments made by boris Johnson was in the spectator 16 July 2005. Google it, you'll find it!

[MARZ8734]

I think there is slander in this vid. Did Boris Johnson really say these things? Show me the evidence.

[jameswb333333]

If you want to live totally like Mohammed why not go to a country where you can ... Saudi Arabia for instance.

[jameswb333333]

Racist Boris Johnson ?? What neurotic rubbish. What is this man talking about ?

[KirkhamWesham]

We're clearly not interested!!

[dave01123]

im sick off all this, stop forcing islam down peoples throats. if you want to be muslim then thats fine but stop preaching about how we should be muslim and how we are going to burn in hellfire, its sick and its wrong. and also what have the jews done wrong, you blame them for everything you are as bad as the nazi's. i hope for your sake there wont be a revolution beacuse you will be targeted first.

[IslamicMotive]

@dave01123 Your the funniest twat in the world, who doesn't understand Islam. Keep your ignorants away from Islam its uneeded.

[dave01123]

@IslamicMotive like i said, keep it to yourself i dont want to hear your lies.

[IslamicMotive]

@dave01123 Typical Pikey twat traveller, How can you "hear" when its reading? fool

[VegetarianDatabase]

@IslamicMotive racism against travellers is just as bad as racism against pakistanis. SHAME ON YOU.

[IslamicMotive]

@VegetarianDatabase Travellers aren't a race you half brained twat.

[VegetarianDatabase]

@IslamicMotive is that what your prophet taught you, to insult others? wow. i am getting SUCH a good image of islam from you!!

by the way, in the latest 2011 census, there was an option for TRAVELLER on the ethnic group question. so yes, according to the law they ARE an ethnic group. and at the very least, they are a cultural group. i thought the quran says god made people into different racial and tribal groups so that they would get to know each other???? well, i guess you failed there.

[Shavenhamster]

@IslamicMotive English and Welsh romany gypsys have roots in the punjab and pakistan and obviously irish travelers are from ireland. They are a seperate ethnic group with different cultural practices and traditions of more anglosaxon communities. however these communities have been around fore a long time and many parts around london have merged.

[slykenji08]

@dave01123 not really brother we have religious preachers everywhere Christians as well not just Muslims or Catholics or Hindus have some peace