White, Heterosexual, Male and PROUD of it! (not really)

[republicofsandles]

I think that a person can claim pride, because they have overcome bigotry and tradition.

This determination of self is something that perhaps we can take pride in.

Would you agree?

[iiuva]

many things are wrong about homosexuality..even the way people address them.. I have friends that are constantly labelling gays.. for example in a discussion they would say.."my gay friend just bought a house" or "my friend who is gay.. he just published a book" or " my friend, he is gay, he just moved in town" what is the importance of me knowing that he is gay? do we say" my heterosexual friend just moved to town"? if homosexuality was right.. people would not label them as such,,,

[iiuva]

The reason why Gays need a PARADE is because they have become Gay.. they were not born gay.. just like ppl become lawyers, doctors, athletes, strong, wise, etc etc... this is why they Parade.. they were not gay when they were born... it's an act of becoming.. not being...no one is proud of who they are.. they are proud of what they have accomplished.. so are gays of accomplishing the act of homosexuality... they have transitioned from being born heterosexual to becoming gay..

[iiuva]

I totally agree with you..and I have thought about that.. how come our city is not funding a heterosexuality parade.. the very thing that brings forth life to this world.. the reason why we have people contributing to this world existence.. as far as your arguments are concerned.. I totally agree with you..you make a lot of sense.. wtg.. proud of you.. don't know why..but I love people that speak their mind..

[UndefeatedOfTheWest]

I agree with the way you see this, but what about being a Saiyan prince?

Some of these movements probably only go by "[something] pride" because that's the name we've come to associate with them. If holding an event to support a minority, pride is just a word that comes to mind, and it's a notion that not everyone completely understands. The members all come together under a label like that, but I bet a lot of them are really more intent on raising awareness than anything else.

[skollywhop]

dude i fucking love u. its like im hearing my own thoughts being said to me in a clear concise way.

[sprinkle888]

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;

[xx13moons]

hmm.. I just noticed that you found it necessary to spam my entire comments section with arcane nonsense. Usually I'd feel compelled to remove and block such rubbish, but I'm in a good mood today, so have a blast, knock yourself out. lol, wacko.

[sprinkle888]

Sorry made an error

Go to youtube type in (people get healed watching this)  and believe Jesus for your healing, some may get healed quicker than others, its according to your faith.

[sprinkle888]

Hosea chapter 4 verse 6: My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children

[sprinkle888]

Deuteronomy 28 verse 61: The LORD will bring against you every sickness and plague there is, (even those not mentioned in this Book of the Law) until you are destroyed.

Many Pastors will never preach to you the true word of God. God said my people are (destroyed for the Lack of knowledge):

[sprinkle888]

Deuteronomy 28: V58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD; 59; Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, [even] great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

[sprinkle888]

The Lord will grant you abundant prosperity—in the fruit of your womb,( to have children) the young of your livestock and the crops of your ground—in the land he swore to your forefathers to give you.

The lord is same yesterday today and forever.

[sprinkle888]

Obey God and he will bless you. Deuteronomy 28 verse 1: "Now it shall come to pass, if you diligently obey the voice of the LORD your God, to observe carefully all His commandments which I command you today, that the LORD your God will set you high above all nations of the earth. And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.

[sprinkle888]

Deuteronomy chapter 28 verse 22: The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

People repent and do the will of God while there is still time.

[sprinkle888]

Deuteronomy chapter 7 verese 14: And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all [them] that hate thee.

[sprinkle888]

People are sick in their bodies because of fornication and adultery against God almighty.  Repent and give your life to Jesus so he can forgive your sins and heal your bodies

[sprinkle888]

Hebrews chapter 13 verse 4: Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

Give honor to marriage, and remain faithful to one another in marriage. God will surely judge people who are immoral and those who commit adultery.

[sprinkle888]

1Corinthians chapter 6 verse 18: Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

[MasterG06]

pride marches are just about celebration of self and others... celebrating that you've been given the chance to live and experience everything that could be...

are you not proud of your existence!? and if your not, why continue to live? (lol doesn't sound how i wanted to, i'm not suggesting you should commit suicide)

[freedomuniverse]

@xx13moons

I agree with you on the pride vs race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, nationality, etc.

Since none of us chose our parents, pride is not warranted for what we get genetically. I am aware that some folks who choose to believe in reincarnation think we do choose our parents and lessons for this life. Since I have no conscious awareness of prior lives or lessons contracted for this life, I am acting as if no one chose their parents.

continued: see "two"

[wonderwhaz797]

Part 2 When she found out I was female, she did the "cringe" thing. Now, I wish you would address this comment, because the "cringe" thing is not genetic like you claim it is. It is a conditioned response. People are not genetically gay or straight. They choose the type of human they want to fuck based upon indoctrination or self choice. That is what's called conditional love. Now, xx13moons, how can you refute this?

[xx13moons]

Wrong, people are genetically gay or straight. Surely this is not the case for every homosexual, but a specific gene has been identified, isolated and is considered responsible for causing homosexual behavior. This gene exists in some of the animal population as well. It causes a variance in hormonal levels, i.e. changes neuro-typical brain chemistry. How can I "refute" what? You've refuted yourself by providing no evidence whatsoever for your claims. And I hope the "cringe" wasn't it.. lol

[wonderwhaz797]

You just don't want to listen. You listen to books or "evidence" but you won't listen to the everyday truths that take place in life, in the heart. Your book smart, that's all. Do you actually care about what someone has to tell you from the heart, or do you say, prove it! Not all intelligence comes from books, it comes from insight, and the "cringe" which you like to laugh away is an insight that I had into life, not bullshit like you say or think it is.

[xx13moons]

lol.. yea... I listen to "evidence," HOW DARE I!! aha.. .you've got to be kidding me. I'm stopping this conversation on here as I am soon uploading a video in response. Wow. And yes, I ask people to "prove" outlandish claims that they make - why? Because if simply believed every last claim that people made, I'd be believing in gods, aliens, ghosts and all other kinds of wacky stuff.

[wonderwhaz797]

Let's just agree to disagree.

[xx13moons]

well, I've been wanting to make a video on genetic determinism for quite some time now. This conversation we've been having has given me format onto which I can base my video. I already made it, but haven't uploaded it. Regardless of our disagreement, thanks for the discussion.

[wonderwhaz797]

Had a brainstorm. About 3 years ago I shaved my head. No big deal, I'm a woman and I wanted to cool off in the summer. I lived in L.A. at the time, and went to a gay bar where people who identified as being gay or lesbian went. When I walked into the bar, a few of the guys were checking me out, were really "interested" in me. When I spoke, they did this "cringe" thing. The same thing happened when I was talking to a girl who identified as straight. She liked me because she thought I was a man..

[wonderwhaz797]

Well, in this sense, science does suck. Science made us slaves to cars, electricity, and plumbing, and then soon came the stupid suburbia and the dreaded grind of city life. I would have rather liked to have been raised living off the land like the native americans once did, having a very simple life, but ambitious scientists helped plunder the land, creating a zombie like culture. Yeah, it's held in place and more static than healthy.

[xx13moons]

Again, B.S.! That's not the fault of "science." Science is merely a method. That's people! People using science to meet THEIR ends. Science is neither good nor bad, the splitting of the atom was neither good nor bad, you see? It's what people do with the technology. PEOPLE are good or bad, not science. Please don't confuse the two. It's what humans have done with science that makes it "evil" or "good." Science is neutral, like anything else. Guns don't kill people; people with guns do, ya know?

[wonderwhaz797]

To say science is completely innocent is just incorrect. When they split the atom, don't you think they knew nuclear bombs were next? Science is not neutral. Any intelligent person knows that if you create a weapon like a gun, a human being is going to get killed. The invention of weapons fosters an air of violence, because it stems from a violent mind. Don't be so naive. In life, some doors shouldn't be opened. What scares me about science is the prideful ambition in most of it's methods.

[wonderwhaz797]

I don't understand why you have a problem with the "preference is taught" statement. Just look around your world, get your head out of books, and see for yourself how people's lifestyles are based upon tradition, the past, conditioning, what they're taught in school, by their parents. This is all too clear. Don't twist this around with "angels and gravity". That has no relationship to what I'm saying.

[xx13moons]

The issue here is that this conversation is pointless. A.) You obviously don't understand what science really is; and this ignorance allows you to make false assumptions which always lead to false conclusions. B.) You've already admitted several times that you don't care about the "evidence," evidence doesn't matter to you, because science, according to you, is just another flawed and biased way of looking at the world. I'm sorry you see it that way; because that is not what it is. Peace

[xx13moons]

oh.. and btw, "science" didn't make us "slaves to cars, electricity, plumbing, etc.." you made yourelf a slave to those things. You're quite free to go live a more simple life somewhere else. I'm gonna have to make a video about this, because your comments are really beginning to piss me off a bit - the fact that you are such an ingrate in a world that is full of SO MANY people who are dying, every minute, and who would KILL to have the resources and technology you have. Ingrate.

[wonderwhaz797]

No, I'm not free to go somewhere else and live a more simple life, because I have been conditioned by the modern way of living, not to mention that modern life has destroyed most indigenous cultures and their simple ways of living. And don't you think that this appetite for resources and technology(civilization) is the biggest reason why people elsewhere go without the basic necessities.

Sir, there's no need to get upset. This is dialogue, learning. Let's not let anger get in our way.

[xx13moons]

I can tell that you obviously have an issue with determinism, that's fine. Many people do. But you can't base your claims and beliefs on how you "feel" about things, you know? Either the evidence is there, or it isn't. It seems like you make some sort of divide between human beings and the rest of the animal and plant kingdom, why? Their behaviors are primarily determined by genetic variance, right? Why on Earth would you think WE (primates) are any better?

[wonderwhaz797]

Again, I mentioned earlier about that word "evidence" and my skepticism towards it. I trust insight above all, not some ambitious guy in a lab making mucho cashola from some government project with hidden agendas. I don't understand why you can't see this likely bias scenario in scientific research, especially the research that tries to explain human interaction. Hitler did this kind of "research".

Humans and other animals are similar yet different, and I never mentioned the word "better".

[m3141592]

@wonderwhaz797

"some ambitious guy in a lab making mucho cashola"

You don't actually know what science is, do you? You've gleaned most of your understanding from tv and internet rumors, haven't you?

I suggest you start with 'empiricism' then look up 'scientific method' then 'peer review' then 'science funding'.

"Hitler did this kind of "research"."

No, he didn't. Hitler was a dictator, not a researcher. And neither did he command anything remotely similar to be researched.

[amhemsley]

Clearly you have never been faced with bigotry based on something you are. The idea of gay pride and movements like it was to fight the idea pushed for centuries that being gay was something wrong, something to be ashamed of.

Your white, heterosexual male pride parade was the last several centuries in which white, heterosexual males dominated and controlled the planet while beating down those who didn't fit that description.

My asexuality is not a trivial thing, I am proud of it.

[hjjfffaa]

@amhemsley

Well, I missed that parade. I want another.

[antiquelens]

As a white heterosexual male, you're part of the majority and frankly, in that group never have had to overcome some adversary, as say black people have - homosexuals have etc. Being part of the white heterosexual group is being part of the privileged majority, right?

[xx13moons]

Privileged,... well, the only main difference I see is the marriage laws (and that is not my decision - were it up to me, there would be no such ban on gay marriage.) How am I privileged? Do people really think that if you're a heterosexual, while male, you receive a $100 check in the mail every week, just for being yourself or something? Come on now. And let's be honest here, given affirmative action, it'd be hard for you to back up that statement; saying whites are "privileged."

[xx13moons]

"privilege," if it means anything in this context, simply means majority. A white student at an all black high-school will be the opposite of privileged, right? In that scenario, it is the black students who are "privileged" compared to the poor lot of the lonely white boy.

[antiquelens]

I mean in society at large. It's stupid and i disagree with it, i think it shouldn't exist.

[hjjfffaa]

@antiquelens

Not anymore it's not.

[antiquelens]

Parades - from my experience with homosexual friends, pride helps them feel a sense of community - a way to really allow people to come together.

[antiquelens]

Also, a lot of asexuals are heteroromantic or homoromantic, they have the same emotional needs, relationship needs.

Just to clarify.

Why is this brought about me anyway, haha i am confused. I guess i didn't realize we were talking about movement.

[antiquelens]

People who take pride are often part of a minority, and it's a way for joy, celebration and recognition. I think it's important for a lot of people.

[wonderwhaz797]

Part 2 To use an example, in a book I read, there was this woman who married a man, and after years of being married, the husband got a sex change and became a woman. This did not matter to the wife. She loved her mate unconditionally, and they remained a happy couple. Now, if sexual orientation was genetic, wouldn't the wife leave her husband? The fact that she didn't have an identifying divide in her mind, allowed her to see the beauty inside the person she loved.

[tattooskin72]

Your parade happens everyday. Being a heterosexual, white male is the norm... the standard so to speak. Now, I do agree... being proud of being gay, simply makes no sense... I am not proud of being gay, white, male, American, etc etc.

If I can, I'll have to make a video response... likely will take forever since I can hardly sit down and watch videos lately, let a lone make one.

[wonderwhaz797]

All people need to go beyond the facade of things, put pride away with the understanding of it. I don't like using the genetics theory for every human behavior. Most human behavior, including all sexual orientations is due to environment or conditioning, so maybe that's why there are pride parades. The parade comes with the pride that comes from the choosing. There's an identification that takes place which stems from psychological division. Why is human love labeled as sexual orientation?

[xx13moons]

Well, I don't use "genetics theory" for every single human behavior; but it is a HUGE defining factor. Like I've said before, genetics is our "hard-wiring," culture, family, environment is our "soft-wiring." We're born a simple way, with certain particular features; those features are both physical (blue eyes, brown hair, short/tall, etc..) and psychological (predisposition to depression, temperament, additions, etc..) This is one of those areas that I wish more people knew more about..

[xx13moons]

I meant to say, "we're born a *certain way," not born a "simple" way, lol

[xx13moons]

..simply because genetics do play such a substantial role in determining who we are as "individuals." And it's an area of science that is growing in its knowledge exponentially, every year. Recently, they just discovered a genetic variance that causes some men to have more difficulty with monogamy. Genetic variance is responsible for people with anger problems, schizophrenia, kindness, whatever. You can't minimize the role of Genes; we are our bodies, are we not? Above all else, physical beings.

[wonderwhaz797]

Yeah, but if you say this, then you can also say the reason people murder is because of genes. It's an easy way of copping out. No one then has to take responsibility for their behavior. They can just say that genetics did the crime. Alcoholics say they're born as alcoholics, and that's silly. It's called addiction. There's this blind attraction to science that goes all too unchecked, and it seems that if you're not blinded by religion, you're then blinded by so called scientific "evidence".

[wonderwhaz797]

You see, I don't believe in what the scientists say, because how do I know they're telling me the truth. Just like I don't believe in what religion tells me. I don't subscribe to taking any so called "expert's" word for it. The media tells lies, so why should I trust a science bible. After all, many scientists have hidden agendas and they may also be manipulated by government and big business interests. Money talks, bullshit walks. If you're as skeptical as you say then question science as well.

[xx13moons]

See.. now you comparison of science to religion would be a valid one if.... IF.. that made sense; but you see, it does not. What has religion promised us? Everything. What has it given us? Absolutely nothing. So what of science? What has IT given us? Well take a look around, no matter where you are - everything you see around you is held into place only because of science. Whether the electricity that powers your home, the car you drive, the water that comes out of your faucet,

[xx13moons]

..the computer you're using right now, the car you drive, the vaccines that keep your children alive and safe; EVERYTHING was given to us by Science. You know why? Because science is nothing like religion - science doesn't make empty promises based on the assumptions and empty wisdom of ignorant men; no, science, unlike ANYTHING ELSE known to the human race (religion, philosophy) is able to do the ONE great thing that none of those other things can: PROVIDE RESULTS. You seem them all around you.

[xx13moons]

So, I appreciate your insight, but that's a rather faulty comparison if I've ever seen one. Science works because it is fueled by objectivity. That is the very reason why it works, because it's NOT "just someone's opinion." It's not just subjectivity. It's peer-reviewed process, falsifiability, etc.., the only successful process that we've known thus far that is REALLY able to separate fact from fiction. Science works - that's how you can know to trust it.

[xx13moons]

One more thing, you say "I don't believe in what the scientists say..." B.S., yes you do! The fact that you are using a computer and electricity RIGHT this moments is a testament to that very belief! How can you ignore that? It is science that has provided you with EVERYTHING you have; every single thing that makes your life tolerable, bearable, comfortable, is a product of ONE thing: SCIENCE. So please, stop. That's such utter nonsense and you know it.

[xx13moons]

So please, don't forget that - every time you flip on a light switch, get on your computer, go to a doctor to get cured or get in your car to drive, you're "believing the scientists." We'd be primitives without science - that's the ONE thing separating us from early man, our technology, our medicine, our science. Be grateful, be very grateful.

[wonderwhaz797]

Yes, and with all of our sacred science, we're still killing each other, war after war after stinking war. So far, science has not solved the problems of human conflict which is caused by psychological division. If we can flip a light switch even when almost everyone's dead in the next world war, then yippee!! We must be proud of ourselves.

[wonderwhaz797]

I meant science in the context of what you were speaking about in your video. When someone tells me that a man's inability to be monogamous is genetic, I raise an eyebrow.

[wonderwhaz797]

Agreed, science can't be compared to the inanity of religion, but I've seen many people abandon religion only to crown science as their new god. Science is great in practical measures such as creating computers and making a robotic leg, but when scientists start saying that sexual orientation is genetic, that's nonsense. That's like saying it's genetic to prefer blondes. Preference is a thing you're taught.

[xx13moons]

See,.. that sounds all wonderful - but science has proven its claims, whereas you have not. And that's how we can know how to separate truth from nonsense. Do you have an actual evidence to back up your claim that "preference is taught?" See, because there is a ton of evidence proving the contrary; that sexual preference has mostly to do with genetics. It's not about what you think, or what you like - it's about the data, evidence, etc.. now isn't it?

[xx13moons]

You saying "preference is taught," is no more helpful than if you were to say that, "Gravity is really caused by invisible angels pulling things towards the ground." It may sound neat, but you don't have a shred of evidence to back up your claim, so what good is it? I'm sorry that you're not familiar with the evidence for Genetics; but your ignorance on this issue doesn't mean that the evidence doesn't exist, it does. I'm all ears if you have an alternate theory.

[wonderwhaz797]

That word "proven" is brandished like a weapon. It only shows how over eager people are to following science like it's a religion. Remember, science comes from intellect, not intelligence. There's a difference there. And just because some "expert" tells me about "evidence", what does he really know? After all, all of scientist's instruments have been invented by him. Yeah, 13moons, it's about what he thinks, he likes, his data, his evidence. I smell a rat.

[xx13moons]

When you make statements like this, I don't know whether to chuckle or punch the wall. I don't understand how you can reduce science to "just another worldview," comparable to religion or something. It's just so.... idiotic, to put it NICELY. This is the all-American war on expertise. Why trust the experts? Than don't! Why go to a doctor when you're sick? What kind of absurd question IS that after-all? It's not a matter of trust, what matters is not what scientists say -

[xx13moons]

and that's what I'm trying to make clear here. It's not about what anyone "says." Science is more than empty and biased truth claims, it is a process. Do you know how falsifiability works? That's a serious question. It's not like one guy in a lab comes up with a neat idea, and then that turns into a theory, no. Please study the process of empiricism, and see how theories are made. The entire point of peer-review and falsifiability is to prove a scientific claim WRONG. You do know that, right?

[xx13moons]

Forgive my tangent. I just get really annoyed when people repeat nonsensical cliches, and comparing science to religion is one of them. A common claim made by ignorant theists in an effort to bring science down to the level of faith. Sorry, not gonna happen. I'm not saying you're trying to do that, but I've seen it a lot; and it's a terrible, silly mistake.

[SisterSunnshine]

Well done video. In many ways all the focus on people's sexuality and our culture's overall obsession with sex is dividing our country more than anything.

[Dedgurlsingblu]

I can see how this comment could be misconstrued. Pride parades and similar activities are ways to create environments to counter the oppression of the dominant group. They tend to not be understood, or misunderstood because we forget our own privileges and thus the affects lack of them have on our psyche. They aren't the best way or worst way, just the only way some people have come up with at this point to counter the negativity surrounding what they are being oppressed for. -cont

[Dedgurlsingblu]

These are often attached to historical events, and additionally serve to include celebrations geared toward marginalized groups. As another poster said, I think the "pride" part is often where people get confused. In its use in these cases, its met I am proud of certain characteristics which dominant culture claims I should be ashamed of.

[Dedgurlsingblu]

Oh, and I wanted to point out one more thing, there are a tone of white pride, heterosexual pride, etc. things, but, to borrow something from Tim Wise, when your stuff, is the stuff by which all other things are measured with you don't have to say "white", or straight" or "able bodied", or anything else because those things are simply viewed as the norm, and thus become invisible.

[Mars2O84]

Good points, especially at the end when you said that these pride movements end up highlighting our differences over our similarities. Maybe it's just a poor choice of words. I have a great deal of respect for my heritage but that isn't exactly the same thing as pride, although that's how people usually phrase it. There can also a fine line between "pride" and a claim of supremacy, which leads to a double standard. "Gay pride" and "white pride" end up having very different connotations.