All of you embracing "Armstrongism" are pathetic...Many church members were very poor in my congregation..However, we always had to scrape up money for the ol collection plate..I guess Herby had a need to embrace life with privates jets and gold silverware..And sex with his daughter of course..
@Thistlesifter220 What part am I lying about..That is an illogical statement, you are not aware of my families participation in this cult..So unless you have the means to prove I am lying..I suggest you mind your fucking business son!!
My parents spent twenty years of their lives on this bullshit!!! Losing their home, bankruptcy and living on welfare, all because god forbid we work on the weekends like most normal people have to, you are truly pathetic if you believe in this garbage..Oh, where is the "place of safety" I am glad Herby cocksucker Armstrong is dead...of course you are an idiot if you believe in this stuff in the first place...
and with the who what why.... we're given the black white and red to prove it. just as the bible says.. prove all things and hold fast and WE do. our ministers never tell us, 'just listen to me, no need to SEE it..' we're all right there reading it together. everything ive learned from the PCG has been crystal clear. srry that it didnt work out for you. best wishes in life : )
idu how ppl say that theyre "mentally" messed up from the church, im lost. i'm 26 n completely happy with my church. i dont feel like im being mentally warped by any1. as a matter of fact the PCG, where i go, is the only "religious anything" that has EVER given me answers, EVER given me UNDERSTANDING. it makes someone feel secure to know who, what, why, and when... of course no one has all the answers, us as humans never stop learning but the knowledge i have now so far im secure w/my religion.
@mkp1974 So true..preaching the end of the world type scenarios..and ideologies based on fear, do nothing to help our current state of affairs! This only serves to drag mankind down!
Shame he looks tired of talking...maybe he needs to stop lying and needs to go to the ONE AND ONLY ZION i.e WMSChurch of God.Somebody preach to this brother.God bless you.
The saddest crime of HWA & the COG was the emotional & physical abuse perpetuated on their children. Spare the rod & spoil the child. The number of kind words or encouragement was zero. This almost always results in fearful, anxiety ridden children who usually turn away from their parents. To the COG children have no value because they have no money and might actually question their teachings. These people were no more than mean spirited, bigoted greedy little demagogues. Pure evil.
Herbert Armstrong was a deliberate liar, who stole from the Catholics, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, ext. See website exitsupportnetwork. Do your research folks. Anyone who believes Armstrong was another but an imposter, a swindler and a huckster is in for a rude awakening, once they figure what life is all about. HWA admirers have no clue. That's why they're followers, uneducated, unsucessful, lost souls.
Herbert Armstrong was an incest committing creep who swindled money from emotionally vulnerable and spiritually dead victims. He died a disgraced, divorced, exposed fraud. All one needs to do for proof is google search "herbert armstrong." Numerous family members, publications have written about what a deviant fraud he was and no one has ever been sued for slander. Lawyers would have been knocking at HWA's door to represent him if the allegations were false.
@jassy3675 i attend living church of god i grew up in it herbert w. armstrong is not a creep we are gods true church ok he was a great man and it makes me sick that you think you are so high and mighty you are just a hipacrit and if you dont follow that church well who cares you dont have to splatter all over youtube and hey im not the one who worships the dead on hollaween so dont go crying about mr.armstrong.p.s. you are the creep
@splooshi1 I don't celebrate halloween either. Why would you post something so stupid? please read other ppl's post carefully before you start going all crazy on someone you don't know.
@splooshi1 Please don't take this as disrespect. I have been where you are. The Church has hurt so many people in its existence. I accepted it for years, because the Church was my family, but once you step out and look in...once you have access to "forbidden" information and "dissident literature", you realize how corrupt the ministry is and the lies that they tell the members to keep them from leaving. I wish you well, but you really need to PROVE what they are teaching. You'll be shocked.
@rapinNtapin -- what does ISRAEL government embracing Mr. Armstrong prove?! Especially when you consider that the powerful Jews of antiquity rejected Jesus ...I be
Herbert W. Armstrong a cult leader? Ok did you mention how Israel embraced him? Did you mention all the good deeds he did for Pres. Ronald Ragan? Or in Asia, or Europe? or Middle East? for peace? Did you mention he exposed the most muderous, lying organization in world history the Roman Catholic Church? God exists, where you believe God or not. I feel sorry for you people who think "you found the light". Without God there is not light. And you will find out very shortly. Germany key country.
I dropped out of school in the 9th grade and I have a good paying job that allows me off on all of the holy days, the weekly Sabbath, etc, etc.... if a person can't hold a decent job, how is that God's fault? Sounds like the kid's Dad was a crappy employee to me.... Granted there were some local cases of abuse by control freak ministers, but that doesn't make the Truth a cult.
Anyway... have fun as the world comes to an end in the exact manner Mr. Armstrong said it would....
That was one lousey comment you left. His Dad was a crappy employee??? Most jobs in my area are looking for people to work weekends. The days of 9-5 Monday to Friday jobs are a thing of the past. But I guess it's ok for Emergency Service employees to come save your sorry ass on a Saturday if need be. I was a member of the WWCG for 3 years and was ever so happy when I left.
Like Christ said "The truth shall set you free" Thanfully God called me out of Babylon, and now I am free.
@cumbco Either a crappy employee or wasn't faithful to God or a little of both.... when you do what God says to do He blesses you for it. And no, 9 to 5 jobs are not a thing of the past............ but you can use whatever excuse you like :-)
@Thistlesifter220 Nice to see you avoid part of the question...what of the people who work Saturdays to keep your lights on? Who answer calls for help..police, ambulance, coast guard, fireman..what of them?
My guess is that you were 'never really IN it'. No dis-respect meant here. Mr. Armstrong only taught TRUTH from the Holy Bible. It is not his, or my mission to 'save' you. When Jesus Christ returns, THEN you WILL know the truth and you can deal with it at that time. THAT is the only answer. God bless you!
Mr. Armstrong never claimed to be an apostle or a prophet, he always taught that he was teaching a gospel according to Jesus Christ, not a Gospel of Armstrong. He also taught everyone to prove all things and test all things according to the bible. May God forgive all the liars attacking him now. After all, whats the best way to discredit true teaching? by discrediting the teacher with lies and deceit.
You need to get right back into the true Word Of God and LEARN IT WELL THIS TIME so you know what you're talking about before you put GREAT Men of God like Herbert Armstrong down my friend! He was one of thee only ones who had the GUTS to tell the straight up TRUTH of Gods word and you would KNOW this IF you studied theWord of God for a few good years, 3 to 5 years at least!!! And you must be baptised born again in order to understand, eyes open to
I currently go to one of the cog congregations, I won't say where, but I'd like to see some legitimate websites that document Armstrong's false prophecies and other accusations against Armstrong and his church. I go to the church because I agree with obedience to the ten commandments and observance of the original holy days. It seems basic to me and easily provable as fundamental to Christianity.
I'm sorry about what this so called "church" put you through. I dated a girl who grew up in the Philadelphia Church of God, and she had been brainwashed with so many unbiblical beliefs for so many years, that she was incapable of making her own decisions. Armstrong was a false teacher, and damaged the lives of hundreds of thousands. I'm sorry that it turned you away from God, but He still loves you. The real Jesus exists and wants a relationship with you that they never told you about.
I dropped the WWCG but decided to go through the bible to see what it said. Yes I find that there are stories that ar hard to believe, but I also have found alot of logic in the comands and laws themselves. I wonder if those who chose atheism ever tried that or just gave up on it all because of these frauds. It is easy to do that.
raebaby80, It's best to teach children and everybody else about the truth about HWA and his son. HWA fornicated his own daughter Dorothy Mattson. His son fornicated AC students. They are frauds who took financial and physical advance of emotionally vulnerable people such as yourself to satisfy their lust for flesh and money. You children will desert you when they find out the truth.
this is a dumb video. why don't you get a guitar and do something entertaining... who cares about what you think and your opinion? Seriously, not to hurt your feelings but...really, your like, having a dumb conversation with yourself. To each his own! Get a life, hun.. ;) Christ will be back soon to teach this world to UNLEARN the lies they believe. If you don't have anything nice to say, why say anything? you must be lonely, if you don't have pple to talk to, and if this is fun for you...
@raebaby80 Your comment is dumb, not his video. He has a right to voice his opinion and experiences just as much as you have. He's just warning people about the evils of incest-committing Herbert Armstrong, so they don't wind up like you. He's doing a great service for humanity, especially for those who actually care about the future of their children.
@Tyrone8465 ok, so what your saying is it's better to teach our kids that they don't need to obey God.... infact, that there IS NO GOD? He's an athiest! This dude thinks the bible is "stories"... and don't have any meaning or prophesy. You're right tho... believe what you want. And i'll do the same. Peace???
I grew up in WWCG.I was being sexually abused by my father and Gerald Flurry in OKC knew about it and told my mother to stay in the marriage!!! When she devorced my father we were "looked down on" in church.. BTW my father went on to ruin and molest another victim and went to prison for 20yrs..Thanks WWCG and Gerald Flurry!! Burn in HELL!!!!
@CallMeFoxx PCOG's "youth camp" in OK, forced a relative of mine to play soccer in 90F when she had a fever. There was no medical professional at the camp. She almost died. When she returned home at the end of the camp, she had puss running out of her ears. For two weeks after, she remained bed-ridden. Her parents forced her out of the house when she no longer wanted to participate in this cult. Because she was a minor, she had no where to go, and walked a busy highway for 1 hr.
I am sorry for what you went through and I will not even pretend to say that I can understand what happened to you and how you feel. Having said that, God didn't do this to you; evil men did it. I would ask that you think about what has happened to millions of others in this world in the name of "religion." Well, let me tell you a secret: There's no real "religion" in this world. The world is controlled by Satan (for now) who hates God and tells us lies to separate us from God.
You are generalizing. You never spoke of the rules that were so bad. You can't blame the church because a man can not keep a job. These people can not be classified with secular churches. Most churches are found in blatant lies. This church you seem to put down is closer to the truth then most. Do yourself a favor, You need to TRULY read the Bible. Sabbath on Saturday was given by God. It was the catholic church that changed the days while they play god. Read the Word, the truth is in there
There are a lot of former WCG members around. Probably more former than those who have remained in a splinter group. I know former WCG members and no, nobody ever gets over the experience.
I am a Seventh Day Adventist, and I really don't appreciate you labeling it cultic. I have a friend who used to be Worldwide Church of God. SDAs believe way differently than WCG. We reject Old Testament feast days and sabbaths, and the whole disfellowshipping thing. We also accept the Trinity,and you are free to celebrate birthdays and all holidays. Seventh Day Adventists believe the Bible, do you?
I do believe the Bible, thank you. But I must respectfully disagree with you about celebrating "holidays". They ARE all pagan in origin, and what most people miss - or just don't want to face - is the history behind them. Most of them involved getting drunk/high, having sexual orgies, and then culminated in sacrifice, much of the time this being HUMAN sacrifice. I became a member of the WWCG because I had studied history and books on witchcraft/magic and knew that it is evil.
World Mission Society Church Of God is not a CULT...there are so many studies you need to see..you need to go back to the church and give them a chance to prove what we believe...where is your proof Christ Ahn Sahng Hong died of a blood clog..i want to see...when you find that proof email it to edwardtaylor661@yahoo.com....I WANT TO SEE FACTS...
P. S. Armstong then had his fatal heart attack after he heard how his church was going to be changed. When it was changed, the church split into a dozen different groups. So justice was done! So try to get over it. As for myself, I have come to be grateful that I learned what it was like to live under the old covenant. It makes me love Jesus more than ever that He died for me in order to free me from all that bondage! Askelm.com a Bible Research group, explains what real Christianity is.
True Christianity is NOT a joke. Neither is it hard, it is supposed to be very simple. All Jesus asks is to love Him and His Father with all our hearts and love our neighbor as ourselves. Jesus said on these two commands "hang all the law and the prophets". But fake preachers like Amrstrong try to make it hard so they can keep people in their power. But God punished Amrstrong, it is said that he went into a rage when Tkac Sr told him how he was going to change the church when Armstong died.
I grew up in the church in the late 80's/early 90's. This church did a lot of damage to my life. They knew I was being abused by my father and was counseled to not report it. The minister who didn't report it can't practice as a minister in the state that this happened. They disfellowshipped me, but not this minister or my father.
@LRNRQ I was finally removed from my home and placed in a children's shelter. When I got out of the children's shelter and needed support the most, I was pretty much friendless because I lost all of my church friends which is pretty much all of the people that I could associate with. Any 14 year old girl knows how important friends are. Thanks WWCG!
@LRNRQ I grew up in WWCG.I was being sexually abused by my father and Gerald Flurry in OKC knew about it and told my mother to stay in the marriage!!! When she devorced my father we were "looked down on" in church.. BTW my father went on to ruin and molest another victim and went to prison for 20yrs..Thanks WWCG and Gerald Flurry!! Burn in HELL!!!!
Churches really creep me out. I'm glad I found your video. Some lady from that church came by my house today talking about the sabbath. I believe in some form of a higher power but I'm extremely skeptical. Keep your guard up!
Do You believe in God? If you do, what will you teach your children. And if you Dont, what will you teach your children. One of your comments says They wont have to go through That. What do you think they Will go through. Make up their own minds, thats a Good thing. But kids usually follow parents. What will they follow. Joe.
Why is it abuse to make your kids mind you? Thats whats wrong with society today no discipline. The youth of today have no respect for anything. Your just another person that wants to justify their wrong doing and push their problems off on someone else. You can tell you just smoked a big fat joint. Thats what your whole problem is with the old WCG, discipline.Why don't you smoke some more weed and support drug dealers that make their money"by the tip of the sword". And your a liar on top of it.
I was also a victom of this scaming cult..after 5 yrs of brainwashing BS. (not bible study).young and dumb they convinced me i would be lucky to be laodecian era.. discomuticated over a short sleeve shirt i wore to church and my hair was a little to long.I was devistated and honistly thought I was doomed..I soon after jumped off a bridge,but somehow survived. After years of thearopy I learned it wasnt me that was a loser..I got deceived...My bad.your right pal..Think for self common sense works
@misfitfirdis I too had major self esteem issues from growing up in this cult which led to my own suicide attempt in later years. I don't point any fingers, but I was taught that I was pretty much damned to hell for having "impure thoughts" by a bunch of zealots more interested in their principles than the suffering and pain caused by them. It poisons your self esteem.
@deejayalemus Thanks for the reply deejayalemus, I really thought I was the only one that may have taken things that far.You hit the nail on the head with (more interested in THEIR principles). Very well said. Thanks again...
@misfitfirdis when your principles come before humanity, other people suffer. I know I did, my parents refused me medical care or even asprin for all but life threatening illnesses and injuries.
@deejayalemus Yes in deed , sorry so many suffer for that . Watched Our minister suffer from a treatable issue for a long time. It really set up a red flag for me.I didnt think God wants us to suffer , Christ did it for us. Well anyway seemed so silly at the time.Thank God for our doctors and for SOUND doctrines..
@misfitfirdis Just wondering, what do you consider Sound doctrine? Do you mean doctrines Most of the World go by? Your Bible-no matter what church you go to-says to NOT do that. What is sound doctrine. Something perhaps uncontravercial(sp)? Jesus was Very out of line with the Doctrine of His time.
@hotheadedjoelhaha Sound doctrine is plain old common sense in my opinoin.All sin is forgiveable.Churchs make up crap and say its sin. The bible is very easy to understand if you forget everything you was ever taught and start over. Religon is man made but God is a reallity. Most churches are stuck on salvation (Milk) and arent capable of offering the( meat ) cuz they didnt hunt for it.
As per as my experience this church is not true. They said 180 million people would join church in 2008, no one joined. Every year they make new promises telling that mother told, but nothing happens. They have also said that nuclear war will happen next year , and world wont last till 2012. But nothing will come true and all the belivers in this church are wasting their time and getting secluded. Please live happily with ur family
Of course there were good things, it was the only life that you knew! My family joined the church when I was in grade 4. It was a brutal change in my life!! I'm sure that there are alot of us(children of the church)that have alot of anger, I know that I do.
Have you sought out professional help for your harm and damage experienced from your days in the cult ? Are you running around with your damage ? I hope you are not just going to talk about your terrible experience to get sympathy ? I urge you to get professional help because you can be a problem for others with your damage.
"The Teachings of the church are biblical". The bible is a collection of stories threw a time period. It was written over 2000 years ago and in my opinion was a way to explain thing that today we understand through science. Many churches are biblical and interpret the bible in different ways. There is no church that has a monopoly on "the truth". I am glad that your friends tell you that they were happy with there experience in wcg. At least that is what they tell you. Others had bad times too.
@Sacramentosaint agreed. My own upbringing in the WCG taught me about the endless shell game played by this "search for the truth". Dogma is dogma. This may sound glib, but IMHO there's a reason they call it the bible, and not "the truth" because everyone's take on the truth is different.
I respect your opinion, but I cannot see why you would forsake God just because of what people might have done to you? I can understand where you are coming from, though. My ex-wife had issues with it because she, as you, was made to go. I did not grow up in the WWCG, so I have a different perspective than you do because I CHOSE to be a member and was not FORCED to attend. I would just say that the "majority of Christian churches" as you mentioned teach pagan Sun worship.
I'm now a very militant Atheist, although I still live in the bible belt. I'm still in college. A 22 year old undergrad student, and I very much enjoy the freedom from religion that I have come to realize as my right in recent years. I enjoy helping others (like a friend of mine that came from Mormonism) see the same truth that I see now, with an education in science. Have any questions? Better yet, care to email me your story?
That being said, I left the church once I was old enough (which by then, the united church of god had come about). All my family members went into united (except my parents), and I stopped going to any church. That was social suicide. I haven't been spoken to by my family in over 10 years. After a few years of struggling, and trying to figure out how to find god, I found books by Richard Dawkins and began to pursue an Education in Biology, which changed to English with a history minor.
I am curious, did you grow up in the church or join? I'm a bit younger than you, but I did grow up in the WCG as well. My father still is really messed up by it even though he left the church years ago. I remember my mother telling me about when the church didn't allow people to join with a "second spouse" and would force them to divorce. She said she had a friend who was forced to split with her husband and keep their kids from him. She shot herself a year after their divorce.
I thought you were figuratively speaking or "name-calling" religion a "cult" lol, you were actually in a cult.
How about writing a screenplay based on your (and others) unique experience and perspective ?
I'm thinking about this concept/word "cult" though,
If a broken family per se raises a child just as screwed up as those people who you stated emailed you about, shouldn't those families be called a "cult" too ?
I look forward to all of your videos...a request...how about a video(s) about your personnel "cult" or "religious" experience?...from here it sounds extraordinary.
You and I are kindred spirits my friend. We are about the same age and we both grew up in wwcg. I am now an atheist. Thank you for posting your experience. There are many like us, many who have been able to come out of religion and live our lives. Keep posting your vids. For a good laugh you should dig up the basil wolverton scare tactic pictures or any of the old pamphlets (like the one on hippies! lol) and do a video on them.
All of you embracing "Armstrongism" are pathetic...Many church members were very poor in my congregation..However, we always had to scrape up money for the ol collection plate..I guess Herby had a need to embrace life with privates jets and gold silverware..And sex with his daughter of course..
Hecklerkoch223 4 days ago
@Hecklerkoch223 You're a lying idiot....
Thistlesifter220 4 days ago
@Thistlesifter220 What part am I lying about..That is an illogical statement, you are not aware of my families participation in this cult..So unless you have the means to prove I am lying..I suggest you mind your fucking business son!!
Hecklerkoch223 4 days ago
I am glad you made this video, I was apart of that ridiculous church..People need to hear this!!
Hecklerkoch223 4 days ago
My parents spent twenty years of their lives on this bullshit!!! Losing their home, bankruptcy and living on welfare, all because god forbid we work on the weekends like most normal people have to, you are truly pathetic if you believe in this garbage..Oh, where is the "place of safety" I am glad Herby cocksucker Armstrong is dead...of course you are an idiot if you believe in this stuff in the first place...
Hecklerkoch223 4 days ago
and with the who what why.... we're given the black white and red to prove it. just as the bible says.. prove all things and hold fast and WE do. our ministers never tell us, 'just listen to me, no need to SEE it..' we're all right there reading it together. everything ive learned from the PCG has been crystal clear. srry that it didnt work out for you. best wishes in life : )
AshleyEgerton11 6 days ago
idu how ppl say that theyre "mentally" messed up from the church, im lost. i'm 26 n completely happy with my church. i dont feel like im being mentally warped by any1. as a matter of fact the PCG, where i go, is the only "religious anything" that has EVER given me answers, EVER given me UNDERSTANDING. it makes someone feel secure to know who, what, why, and when... of course no one has all the answers, us as humans never stop learning but the knowledge i have now so far im secure w/my religion.
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sbaker200733 1 week ago
Awesome video man. Nice job calling these christian morons out.
mkp1974 1 week ago 2
@mkp1974 So true..preaching the end of the world type scenarios..and ideologies based on fear, do nothing to help our current state of affairs! This only serves to drag mankind down!
Hecklerkoch223 4 days ago
Shame he looks tired of talking...maybe he needs to stop lying and needs to go to the ONE AND ONLY ZION i.e WMSChurch of God.Somebody preach to this brother.God bless you.
MrUnizer 3 weeks ago
The saddest crime of HWA & the COG was the emotional & physical abuse perpetuated on their children. Spare the rod & spoil the child. The number of kind words or encouragement was zero. This almost always results in fearful, anxiety ridden children who usually turn away from their parents. To the COG children have no value because they have no money and might actually question their teachings. These people were no more than mean spirited, bigoted greedy little demagogues. Pure evil.
zzrich1234 3 weeks ago
Oh how i love being hacked and having no damn idea why i was brought to this page? WTF? I want to say i NEVER wrote anythin it says i did!!
CallMeFoxx 1 month ago
Herbert Armstrong was a deliberate liar, who stole from the Catholics, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, ext. See website exitsupportnetwork. Do your research folks. Anyone who believes Armstrong was another but an imposter, a swindler and a huckster is in for a rude awakening, once they figure what life is all about. HWA admirers have no clue. That's why they're followers, uneducated, unsucessful, lost souls.
HWACommitedIncest1 1 month ago
Herbert Armstrong was an incest committing creep who swindled money from emotionally vulnerable and spiritually dead victims. He died a disgraced, divorced, exposed fraud. All one needs to do for proof is google search "herbert armstrong." Numerous family members, publications have written about what a deviant fraud he was and no one has ever been sued for slander. Lawyers would have been knocking at HWA's door to represent him if the allegations were false.
HWACommitedIncest1 1 month ago
So, are you saying the Church of God is a Cult? I grew up in the Church of God and I don't think it is a cult.
jassy3675 3 months ago
@jassy3675 i attend living church of god i grew up in it herbert w. armstrong is not a creep we are gods true church ok he was a great man and it makes me sick that you think you are so high and mighty you are just a hipacrit and if you dont follow that church well who cares you dont have to splatter all over youtube and hey im not the one who worships the dead on hollaween so dont go crying about mr.armstrong.p.s. you are the creep
splooshi1 1 month ago
@splooshi1 learn to read idiot. I did not say anything mean or rude about Herbert W. Armstrong. Sorry you don't know how to read properly.
jassy3675 1 month ago
@splooshi1 I don't celebrate halloween either. Why would you post something so stupid? please read other ppl's post carefully before you start going all crazy on someone you don't know.
jassy3675 1 month ago
@splooshi1 Please don't take this as disrespect. I have been where you are. The Church has hurt so many people in its existence. I accepted it for years, because the Church was my family, but once you step out and look in...once you have access to "forbidden" information and "dissident literature", you realize how corrupt the ministry is and the lies that they tell the members to keep them from leaving. I wish you well, but you really need to PROVE what they are teaching. You'll be shocked.
ImHereHuckleberry 1 month ago
@rapinNtapin -- what does ISRAEL government embracing Mr. Armstrong prove?! Especially when you consider that the powerful Jews of antiquity rejected Jesus ...I be
HawkeyeXXV 4 months ago
Herbert W. Armstrong a cult leader? Ok did you mention how Israel embraced him? Did you mention all the good deeds he did for Pres. Ronald Ragan? Or in Asia, or Europe? or Middle East? for peace? Did you mention he exposed the most muderous, lying organization in world history the Roman Catholic Church? God exists, where you believe God or not. I feel sorry for you people who think "you found the light". Without God there is not light. And you will find out very shortly. Germany key country.
rapinNtapin 4 months ago
I dropped out of school in the 9th grade and I have a good paying job that allows me off on all of the holy days, the weekly Sabbath, etc, etc.... if a person can't hold a decent job, how is that God's fault? Sounds like the kid's Dad was a crappy employee to me.... Granted there were some local cases of abuse by control freak ministers, but that doesn't make the Truth a cult.
Anyway... have fun as the world comes to an end in the exact manner Mr. Armstrong said it would....
Thistlesifter220 6 months ago
That was one lousey comment you left. His Dad was a crappy employee??? Most jobs in my area are looking for people to work weekends. The days of 9-5 Monday to Friday jobs are a thing of the past. But I guess it's ok for Emergency Service employees to come save your sorry ass on a Saturday if need be. I was a member of the WWCG for 3 years and was ever so happy when I left.
Like Christ said "The truth shall set you free" Thanfully God called me out of Babylon, and now I am free.
cumbco 3 months ago
@cumbco Either a crappy employee or wasn't faithful to God or a little of both.... when you do what God says to do He blesses you for it. And no, 9 to 5 jobs are not a thing of the past............ but you can use whatever excuse you like :-)
Thistlesifter220 3 months ago
@Thistlesifter220 Nice to see you avoid part of the question...what of the people who work Saturdays to keep your lights on? Who answer calls for help..police, ambulance, coast guard, fireman..what of them?
cumbco 3 months ago
@cumbco All valid questions you have...when my parents forced me to go to this cult I always asked the same questions..Never was an answer given!!
Hecklerkoch223 4 days ago
@Thistlesifter220 HAHAHAH!!! You are fucking delusional!!!
Hecklerkoch223 4 days ago
My guess is that you were 'never really IN it'. No dis-respect meant here. Mr. Armstrong only taught TRUTH from the Holy Bible. It is not his, or my mission to 'save' you. When Jesus Christ returns, THEN you WILL know the truth and you can deal with it at that time. THAT is the only answer. God bless you!
ratoig 6 months ago
@ratoig Thank you, prophecy will never be broken. It is history before it happens.
rapinNtapin 4 months ago
Mr. Armstrong never claimed to be an apostle or a prophet, he always taught that he was teaching a gospel according to Jesus Christ, not a Gospel of Armstrong. He also taught everyone to prove all things and test all things according to the bible. May God forgive all the liars attacking him now. After all, whats the best way to discredit true teaching? by discrediting the teacher with lies and deceit.
27kevohman 6 months ago
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So when will you believe on the last days when destruction come upon you ???
Chepe194 7 months ago
your an idiot, change your loser shirt....your video sucks who are you talking about and who gives a rats behind
tommycog1 7 months ago
You need to get right back into the true Word Of God and LEARN IT WELL THIS TIME so you know what you're talking about before you put GREAT Men of God like Herbert Armstrong down my friend! He was one of thee only ones who had the GUTS to tell the straight up TRUTH of Gods word and you would KNOW this IF you studied theWord of God for a few good years, 3 to 5 years at least!!! And you must be baptised born again in order to understand, eyes open to
Gods TRUTH!!
pg11566 9 months ago
I currently go to one of the cog congregations, I won't say where, but I'd like to see some legitimate websites that document Armstrong's false prophecies and other accusations against Armstrong and his church. I go to the church because I agree with obedience to the ten commandments and observance of the original holy days. It seems basic to me and easily provable as fundamental to Christianity.
OnIineWarrior 9 months ago
@OnIineWarrior Google: Exit and Support Network
greggb777 7 months ago
I have not found one Church! that i would go too, today. i have 3 books from them. that it.
benjudah71 10 months ago
I have not found one Church! that i would go to today. i have 3 books from them. that it.
benjudah71 10 months ago
I'm sorry about what this so called "church" put you through. I dated a girl who grew up in the Philadelphia Church of God, and she had been brainwashed with so many unbiblical beliefs for so many years, that she was incapable of making her own decisions. Armstrong was a false teacher, and damaged the lives of hundreds of thousands. I'm sorry that it turned you away from God, but He still loves you. The real Jesus exists and wants a relationship with you that they never told you about.
freighttrain10 10 months ago
I dropped the WWCG but decided to go through the bible to see what it said. Yes I find that there are stories that ar hard to believe, but I also have found alot of logic in the comands and laws themselves. I wonder if those who chose atheism ever tried that or just gave up on it all because of these frauds. It is easy to do that.
1966Daywalker 11 months ago
raebaby80, It's best to teach children and everybody else about the truth about HWA and his son. HWA fornicated his own daughter Dorothy Mattson. His son fornicated AC students. They are frauds who took financial and physical advance of emotionally vulnerable people such as yourself to satisfy their lust for flesh and money. You children will desert you when they find out the truth.
Tyrone8465 11 months ago
this is a dumb video. why don't you get a guitar and do something entertaining... who cares about what you think and your opinion? Seriously, not to hurt your feelings but...really, your like, having a dumb conversation with yourself. To each his own! Get a life, hun.. ;) Christ will be back soon to teach this world to UNLEARN the lies they believe. If you don't have anything nice to say, why say anything? you must be lonely, if you don't have pple to talk to, and if this is fun for you...
raebaby80 11 months ago
@raebaby80 Your comment is dumb, not his video. He has a right to voice his opinion and experiences just as much as you have. He's just warning people about the evils of incest-committing Herbert Armstrong, so they don't wind up like you. He's doing a great service for humanity, especially for those who actually care about the future of their children.
Tyrone8465 11 months ago
@Tyrone8465 ok, so what your saying is it's better to teach our kids that they don't need to obey God.... infact, that there IS NO GOD? He's an athiest! This dude thinks the bible is "stories"... and don't have any meaning or prophesy. You're right tho... believe what you want. And i'll do the same. Peace???
raebaby80 11 months ago
I grew up in WWCG.I was being sexually abused by my father and Gerald Flurry in OKC knew about it and told my mother to stay in the marriage!!! When she devorced my father we were "looked down on" in church.. BTW my father went on to ruin and molest another victim and went to prison for 20yrs..Thanks WWCG and Gerald Flurry!! Burn in HELL!!!!
CallMeFoxx 1 year ago
@CallMeFoxx PCOG's "youth camp" in OK, forced a relative of mine to play soccer in 90F when she had a fever. There was no medical professional at the camp. She almost died. When she returned home at the end of the camp, she had puss running out of her ears. For two weeks after, she remained bed-ridden. Her parents forced her out of the house when she no longer wanted to participate in this cult. Because she was a minor, she had no where to go, and walked a busy highway for 1 hr.
Tyrone8465 1 year ago
@CallMeFoxx
I am sorry for what you went through and I will not even pretend to say that I can understand what happened to you and how you feel. Having said that, God didn't do this to you; evil men did it. I would ask that you think about what has happened to millions of others in this world in the name of "religion." Well, let me tell you a secret: There's no real "religion" in this world. The world is controlled by Satan (for now) who hates God and tells us lies to separate us from God.
willhahn 11 months ago
You are generalizing. You never spoke of the rules that were so bad. You can't blame the church because a man can not keep a job. These people can not be classified with secular churches. Most churches are found in blatant lies. This church you seem to put down is closer to the truth then most. Do yourself a favor, You need to TRULY read the Bible. Sabbath on Saturday was given by God. It was the catholic church that changed the days while they play god. Read the Word, the truth is in there
ppolitowicz 1 year ago
There are a lot of former WCG members around. Probably more former than those who have remained in a splinter group. I know former WCG members and no, nobody ever gets over the experience.
herbertwarmstrong 1 year ago
I am a Seventh Day Adventist, and I really don't appreciate you labeling it cultic. I have a friend who used to be Worldwide Church of God. SDAs believe way differently than WCG. We reject Old Testament feast days and sabbaths, and the whole disfellowshipping thing. We also accept the Trinity,and you are free to celebrate birthdays and all holidays. Seventh Day Adventists believe the Bible, do you?
tigetbunny82 1 year ago
@tigetbunny82
I do believe the Bible, thank you. But I must respectfully disagree with you about celebrating "holidays". They ARE all pagan in origin, and what most people miss - or just don't want to face - is the history behind them. Most of them involved getting drunk/high, having sexual orgies, and then culminated in sacrifice, much of the time this being HUMAN sacrifice. I became a member of the WWCG because I had studied history and books on witchcraft/magic and knew that it is evil.
willhahn 11 months ago
World Mission Society Church Of God is not a CULT...there are so many studies you need to see..you need to go back to the church and give them a chance to prove what we believe...where is your proof Christ Ahn Sahng Hong died of a blood clog..i want to see...when you find that proof email it to edwardtaylor661@yahoo.com....I WANT TO SEE FACTS...
hollywxxdlife 1 year ago
P. S. Armstong then had his fatal heart attack after he heard how his church was going to be changed. When it was changed, the church split into a dozen different groups. So justice was done! So try to get over it. As for myself, I have come to be grateful that I learned what it was like to live under the old covenant. It makes me love Jesus more than ever that He died for me in order to free me from all that bondage! Askelm.com a Bible Research group, explains what real Christianity is.
davidphilbarbara 1 year ago
True Christianity is NOT a joke. Neither is it hard, it is supposed to be very simple. All Jesus asks is to love Him and His Father with all our hearts and love our neighbor as ourselves. Jesus said on these two commands "hang all the law and the prophets". But fake preachers like Amrstrong try to make it hard so they can keep people in their power. But God punished Amrstrong, it is said that he went into a rage when Tkac Sr told him how he was going to change the church when Armstong died.
davidphilbarbara 1 year ago
I grew up in the church in the late 80's/early 90's. This church did a lot of damage to my life. They knew I was being abused by my father and was counseled to not report it. The minister who didn't report it can't practice as a minister in the state that this happened. They disfellowshipped me, but not this minister or my father.
LRNRQ 1 year ago
@LRNRQ I was finally removed from my home and placed in a children's shelter. When I got out of the children's shelter and needed support the most, I was pretty much friendless because I lost all of my church friends which is pretty much all of the people that I could associate with. Any 14 year old girl knows how important friends are. Thanks WWCG!
LRNRQ 1 year ago
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@LRNRQ I grew up in WWCG.I was being sexually abused by my father and Gerald Flurry in OKC knew about it and told my mother to stay in the marriage!!! When she devorced my father we were "looked down on" in church.. BTW my father went on to ruin and molest another victim and went to prison for 20yrs..Thanks WWCG and Gerald Flurry!! Burn in HELL!!!!
CallMeFoxx 1 year ago
I agree with your comments. I was born and raised in WWCG too. It had a big impact. Good to see I'm not alone!
ggore6 1 year ago
Churches really creep me out. I'm glad I found your video. Some lady from that church came by my house today talking about the sabbath. I believe in some form of a higher power but I'm extremely skeptical. Keep your guard up!
spucy 1 year ago
Do You believe in God? If you do, what will you teach your children. And if you Dont, what will you teach your children. One of your comments says They wont have to go through That. What do you think they Will go through. Make up their own minds, thats a Good thing. But kids usually follow parents. What will they follow. Joe.
hotheadedjoelhaha 1 year ago
WMSCOG is a Cult spawned from Armstrong too.
World Mission Society Church of God.
StampedeBull 1 year ago
Why is it abuse to make your kids mind you? Thats whats wrong with society today no discipline. The youth of today have no respect for anything. Your just another person that wants to justify their wrong doing and push their problems off on someone else. You can tell you just smoked a big fat joint. Thats what your whole problem is with the old WCG, discipline.Why don't you smoke some more weed and support drug dealers that make their money"by the tip of the sword". And your a liar on top of it.
whtpwrorn 1 year ago
I was also a victom of this scaming cult..after 5 yrs of brainwashing BS. (not bible study).young and dumb they convinced me i would be lucky to be laodecian era.. discomuticated over a short sleeve shirt i wore to church and my hair was a little to long.I was devistated and honistly thought I was doomed..I soon after jumped off a bridge,but somehow survived. After years of thearopy I learned it wasnt me that was a loser..I got deceived...My bad.your right pal..Think for self common sense works
misfitfirdis 2 years ago
@misfitfirdis I too had major self esteem issues from growing up in this cult which led to my own suicide attempt in later years. I don't point any fingers, but I was taught that I was pretty much damned to hell for having "impure thoughts" by a bunch of zealots more interested in their principles than the suffering and pain caused by them. It poisons your self esteem.
deejayalemus 1 year ago
@deejayalemus Thanks for the reply deejayalemus, I really thought I was the only one that may have taken things that far.You hit the nail on the head with (more interested in THEIR principles). Very well said. Thanks again...
misfitfirdis 1 year ago
@misfitfirdis when your principles come before humanity, other people suffer. I know I did, my parents refused me medical care or even asprin for all but life threatening illnesses and injuries.
deejayalemus 1 year ago
@deejayalemus Yes in deed , sorry so many suffer for that . Watched Our minister suffer from a treatable issue for a long time. It really set up a red flag for me.I didnt think God wants us to suffer , Christ did it for us. Well anyway seemed so silly at the time.Thank God for our doctors and for SOUND doctrines..
misfitfirdis 1 year ago
@misfitfirdis Just wondering, what do you consider Sound doctrine? Do you mean doctrines Most of the World go by? Your Bible-no matter what church you go to-says to NOT do that. What is sound doctrine. Something perhaps uncontravercial(sp)? Jesus was Very out of line with the Doctrine of His time.
hotheadedjoelhaha 1 year ago
@hotheadedjoelhaha Sound doctrine is plain old common sense in my opinoin.All sin is forgiveable.Churchs make up crap and say its sin. The bible is very easy to understand if you forget everything you was ever taught and start over. Religon is man made but God is a reallity. Most churches are stuck on salvation (Milk) and arent capable of offering the( meat ) cuz they didnt hunt for it.
misfitfirdis 1 year ago
@misfitfirdis
Who disfellowshipped you, was it in Worldwide or in a splinter? Is it a minister still in the Splinter groups?
herbertwarmstrong 1 year ago
@herbertwarmstrong It was our minister in peoria il. a year or two before hwt died..
misfitfirdis 1 year ago
@herbertwarmstrong It was our minister in peoria il. a year or two before hwt died..
misfitfirdis 1 year ago
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@herbertwarmstrong It was our minister in peoria il. a year or two before hwt died..
misfitfirdis 1 year ago
Wow, blow the dust off your bible.
Lando0824 2 years ago
@Lando0824 the milk of human compassion has curdled in you, child.
deejayalemus 1 year ago
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As per as my experience this church is not true. They said 180 million people would join church in 2008, no one joined. Every year they make new promises telling that mother told, but nothing happens. They have also said that nuclear war will happen next year , and world wont last till 2012. But nothing will come true and all the belivers in this church are wasting their time and getting secluded. Please live happily with ur family
baajiirao 2 years ago
Of course there were good things, it was the only life that you knew! My family joined the church when I was in grade 4. It was a brutal change in my life!! I'm sure that there are alot of us(children of the church)that have alot of anger, I know that I do.
MKUltraGurl 2 years ago
Have you sought out professional help for your harm and damage experienced from your days in the cult ? Are you running around with your damage ? I hope you are not just going to talk about your terrible experience to get sympathy ? I urge you to get professional help because you can be a problem for others with your damage.
orbitring 2 years ago
@orbitring who do you think you are?
deejayalemus 1 year ago 2
"The Teachings of the church are biblical". The bible is a collection of stories threw a time period. It was written over 2000 years ago and in my opinion was a way to explain thing that today we understand through science. Many churches are biblical and interpret the bible in different ways. There is no church that has a monopoly on "the truth". I am glad that your friends tell you that they were happy with there experience in wcg. At least that is what they tell you. Others had bad times too.
Sacramentosaint 2 years ago
@Sacramentosaint agreed. My own upbringing in the WCG taught me about the endless shell game played by this "search for the truth". Dogma is dogma. This may sound glib, but IMHO there's a reason they call it the bible, and not "the truth" because everyone's take on the truth is different.
deejayalemus 1 year ago
@Sacramentosaint
I respect your opinion, but I cannot see why you would forsake God just because of what people might have done to you? I can understand where you are coming from, though. My ex-wife had issues with it because she, as you, was made to go. I did not grow up in the WWCG, so I have a different perspective than you do because I CHOSE to be a member and was not FORCED to attend. I would just say that the "majority of Christian churches" as you mentioned teach pagan Sun worship.
willhahn 11 months ago
Im sorry you had to go through that!!
Abafath7 2 years ago
I agree, Islam and Christianity are both a sick joke!
Signofthedollar 2 years ago
When I think back to all the kids I met at the holidays or at SEP, I often wonder how they turned out. How they escaped, hopefully.
digiring 3 years ago
I do the same thing... There are certain people that were "MARKED" or "disfellowshipped" that I wonder about as well..
How much mental damage was done?
We'll probably never know.
dravenousone 2 years ago
It is a shame but at least my kids won't have to experience it.
Sacramentosaint 2 years ago
I'm now a very militant Atheist, although I still live in the bible belt. I'm still in college. A 22 year old undergrad student, and I very much enjoy the freedom from religion that I have come to realize as my right in recent years. I enjoy helping others (like a friend of mine that came from Mormonism) see the same truth that I see now, with an education in science. Have any questions? Better yet, care to email me your story?
heiyoulianglaohu 3 years ago
That being said, I left the church once I was old enough (which by then, the united church of god had come about). All my family members went into united (except my parents), and I stopped going to any church. That was social suicide. I haven't been spoken to by my family in over 10 years. After a few years of struggling, and trying to figure out how to find god, I found books by Richard Dawkins and began to pursue an Education in Biology, which changed to English with a history minor.
heiyoulianglaohu 3 years ago
I am curious, did you grow up in the church or join? I'm a bit younger than you, but I did grow up in the WCG as well. My father still is really messed up by it even though he left the church years ago. I remember my mother telling me about when the church didn't allow people to join with a "second spouse" and would force them to divorce. She said she had a friend who was forced to split with her husband and keep their kids from him. She shot herself a year after their divorce.
heiyoulianglaohu 3 years ago
I thought you were figuratively speaking or "name-calling" religion a "cult" lol, you were actually in a cult.
How about writing a screenplay based on your (and others) unique experience and perspective ?
I'm thinking about this concept/word "cult" though,
If a broken family per se raises a child just as screwed up as those people who you stated emailed you about, shouldn't those families be called a "cult" too ?
"A cult on Broad St between James and Archer.."
"Ah! those are my neighbors"
bgrim2008 3 years ago
I look forward to all of your videos...a request...how about a video(s) about your personnel "cult" or "religious" experience?...from here it sounds extraordinary.
grumpychuck 3 years ago
yeah, you talking about your cult background blew my mind. its awsum in a weird way, lol
you are turning into a strong atheist, steve, I'm proud of you :)
BellaTheHappyLoser 3 years ago
You and I are kindred spirits my friend. We are about the same age and we both grew up in wwcg. I am now an atheist. Thank you for posting your experience. There are many like us, many who have been able to come out of religion and live our lives. Keep posting your vids. For a good laugh you should dig up the basil wolverton scare tactic pictures or any of the old pamphlets (like the one on hippies! lol) and do a video on them.
Wiky100 3 years ago
Thanks friend, I will try to track that stuff down. Glad to see that we "saw the light".
Sacramentosaint 3 years ago