Christian Mysticism

[DivineFellowship]

The Vedas define God as bliss. If you have experienced bliss then you have experienced God.

[swedishvein]

Divine, I am not godless. I believe there is something supernatural, wether it is what you believe in (Christ) or something else. It gives me hope to live. I also find the degeneracy to be repulsive and damaging. As you say, the spiritual moments have been the happiest in my life. Not neccesarily to christ, but to an entity of mysticism.

[DivineFellowship]

The rule was made for a reason: The sexual discharge disturbs the inner ojas (inner ground), then manifesting as disturbance to one's outer world conditions. It was not based on nothing, but on metaphysical reality applying to man.

When having a sexual debacle, mistake, period, or misfortune -- one should offer up whatever pleasure is gained to the Lord, Isvara-deva. It should be done in precisely the same way Christians (and Hindus) have long "sacrificed" food (at dinner) by saying a prayer.

[movadoband]

@HylianSpirit an occasional snack never made a person obese, anymore than having an orgasm (whether compulsive or not) can be harmful somehow...?

[DivineFellowship]

@movadoband -- Poor analogy. The creative act and creative rupture can hardly be compared to eating a snack. The first most obvious thing about it is that eating a snack is taking in energy/resources. The male orgasm is a tremendous loss of energy/resources. So how can the two be compared. Eating snacks does not create human lives/bodies. The creative act does. Get the hell out.

[4muLAkonnekt]

Correct me if I'm wrong,I have just learn't about Christain mysticism and after watching a few videos on the subject have come to the conclusion it basis is of becoming God-like,if I'm correct then I think this the Adam and Eve scenario happening all over again,was it not by the serpents words that they were banished and all of their seed were punished?this is the exact same thing,there is but one God,Father,Messiah..why try to attain it?for what purpose?this is no different to necromancy

[DivineFellowship]

God is your father and you are his child. Thus how could you not become more and as Him? All children become like their father and that is what the father wants. If we are "made in His image," how could we not be in essence 'like' Him? This is all self-evident. The lie of the snake in the garden to Eve was that she lacked something. The rule they broke was the rule against engaging in carnal relations (sex). Doing so made them suddenly UNLIKE God, another aspect of the snake's treachery.

[MrItchyElbow]

@DivineFellowship There was no rule until God told them that they could not eat of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad (Evil). Therefore there was no evil until the rule. The evil was not sex, but breaking the rule, going contrary to God's wishes. However, God will make things work out in the end. Right now he separates the sheep from the goats.

[DivineFellowship]

@a1saouse -- I always figured if Ziomedia said she was a saint, she probably wasn't. Well take her out in the next edit of this video.

[DivineFellowship]

Maybe  so, maybe so. One of my brothers made it, and probably didn't know this about M. Theresa.

[a1saouse]

"...Where is my faith- even deep down right in there is nothing, but emptiness and darkness- My God - how painful is this unknown pain-I have no faith - I dare not utter the words & thoughts that crowd in my heart- & make me suffer untold agony." -Mother Teresa

[DivineFellowship]

@a1saouse -- In true Christianity one comes to contact the God-within, all providing and all Good. It sounds like Mother T. did not have a genuine Christian practice, or did not follow it. Sad. Basically she was an uneducated karma-yogi. The Bhagavad-Gita teaches about the path to God called Karma-Yoga or the "yoga of action." In this path you make all your actions God-referencing so that you end up meditating (doing dharana) on God, thus finding Him.

[DivineFellowship]

It is not really about "doing good deeds," but learning to continually reference God as you do necessary actions. So, a soda jerk could be the perfect karma-yogi and, I guess, a better one than Mother Theresa. The yogic saints say karma-yoga is the most dangerous. Any "sense of doership" causes the ego to grow in size (I did these good deeds). So it sounds like M. Teresa neither did karma-yoga in the correct way to turn it blissful God-contact, nor had any other effective meditation technique.

[a1saouse]

Somebody needs to update this video and take mother teresa out... she's was a fraud. she never believed in god... and thats not according to me, but to the journal she left.

[xxJEDIxBRAVEHEARTxx]

@a1saouse -- She had prolonged issues with faith, that is all. The quote is still extremely relevant to the context of the video. The reason why I included her (I made this video) is because she is often perceived only as a do-gooder, Christian activist. Her personal spiritual life far outweighs the media puppet status she ended up with - and just like the pantheistic philosophies of Buddhism get branded as "Atheistic", her spiritual sayings tarnished her reputation all the same.

[DivineFellowship]

It's the hardest thing, so don't be so hard on yourself. 3 months? That's a very long time! Set the goal of a week. Get so that's easy. Then 2 weeks, then finally a month. God will notice all this effort, you'll become strong from the fewer lapses, your spiritual life will grow, and you'll know God. It's the effort. It's hardest when young. Reduce tempting surroundings. If you can get it down to once a month, like the female, you'll be a near superman. Besides, you may want to marry some day.

[Mikey239226]

Please help me.

You're site used to be a huge inspiration to me.

I have been trying for 3+ years to be celibate, but I always choose to give in.

I know God has given me all I need to obey Him, but when it comes down to it,

I always betray Him and myself.

The longest I've ever gone is 3 months without, but I sense that it's possible to fail at any time.

I pray when I fall into temptation, but the opportunity to sin is always there, and I always stop praying & give in.

I want to live for God...

[tracmag]

@Mikey239226 You are looking at your obedience and your performance to a set of rules and laws. kick the whine out , quit feeling sorry for yourself. If you fail do not fall into dispair , keep repenting and trust the Lord.

[DivineFellowship]

@tracmag -- "Set of rules"? Sounds like you don't have much respect or devotion for the Creator. You don't take religion seriously. He's looking for the way to change himself within in such that he can know and experience God through chastity and the strong prayer/meditation it gives. The first and "greatest law," from Christ, is: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind & strength." He's looking for the way to fulfill that & came here for strength. He didn't "whine" Mr. love-Christian.

[DivineFellowship]

A Christian and even non-Christian doesn't need to be told God will forgive them for messes. We know by instinct. We even see that in human mothers & fathers. "You can always just repent, keep repenting" is not much religion. DEVOTION is more important than doing the repentance" trick repeatedly. (First law.) And no man expresses devotion more than with chastity. Instead of "repent again," I'll say: Keep striving for continence, get the inner strength & God-contact it brings, and keep going.

[DivineFellowship]

Some want more from religion than a loophole out of a feared negative after-death prospect. Some want to know God here and now; feel palpably they are saved here/now by that God-knowledge and feel God's being. You can't love what you don't know. So the one serious about God & religion will seek to know Him; he'll at least be CURIOUS enough to TRY continence and meditation (They actually care. "Seek and ye shall find/The kingdom of h. is within.") Others just don't like open religious discussion.

[DivineFellowship]

@Mikey239226 -- This is the experience of all men in the Great Battle with demon lust, which makes his mind unable to concentrate on God, brings further expulsion from The Garden. But few men understand the significance of chastity in religious life! When you fall down, pick yourself up and try for a longer run. It's a drag, I know. But that's the Battle. You dropped a stick from the load of firewood you are gathering. But your arms are still loaded. Even a week of continence has eternal value.

[IslandMystic]

@Mikey239226 I went through the same thing. When I came to Christ I found the battle of the flesh and spirit at work in me -I kept all of Christ's word but stumbled at fornication. Then one night I made a choice to stay home and seek God, as I cried out to Him with all my heart, and I fell into a trance- four spirits came out of me-I saw them- and the Holy Spirit entered me as described in scripture. Seek Him with your whole heart & U will find Him. He gives the POWER to overcome.

[DivineFellowship]

Ignorance. For others: A man need not rupture himself, or press objects into a woman, to be 'close' to her. Doing so (as with prostitutes) does not make man close to woman. In esoteric metaphysics Adam manifested Eve from his own lust nature. Divine mind resident in him gave the power to have his wish. His hankering for Eve began his descent into lust/duality, but only one level down. Long they obeyed & refrained from lower relations. That was their Edenic state. in THAT state they were closest.

[DivineFellowship]

Lust is evil, attested by the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Lord Buddha, Sri Krishna, and many others.

Chastity is a superior state to lust.

If you are married, have winsome children, then become chaste and raise them well. The purpose of marriage (and that sex loss/sacrifice) is children.

[DivineFellowship]

Lust is evil, attested by the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Lord Buddha, Sri Krishna, and many others.

Chastity is a superior state to lust.

If you are married, have winsome children, then become chaste and raise them well. The purpose of marriage (and that sex loss/sacrifice) is children.

[Stebbs123]

When I was brought to this awareness I started see others not as people but as eternal souls or different aspects of God. I can feel more what others feel. every second brings a new revelation and its beautiful..!!! Now I`m wondering why I couldn`t see it this way for so long. It was right in front of me the whole time..!!

[Jeremiah5063]

May the lord bless you and keep you. 

[aroome]

Thanks a lot . I love the message. Where is the music from ? It is also great,

[thepixieful]

lightness of being and non attachment. love and compassion to all.

[KatieAnd5a5ah]

Hey, I'm a Transsexual male to female, i was raised in a Baptist home with 17 years of three times a week Bible meetings and a Christian school. I believe in God FULLY. I just happen to feel i am the wrong gender and have set about having a sex change. Well, sir, the pedophiles and pornography collectors have told me, i'm a horrid sodomite! Any advice on being a life long Eunuch?

[DivineFellowship]

@KatieAnd5a5ah -- If lust had been overcome, mutilating your body would not have been necessary or relevant. (Cute troll post. I decided to make a serious point from it though.)

[DivineFellowship]

:) Thanks for that thought.

It is inspiring to hear your story. Every fellow who works on this ancient spiritual goal and reports about it in places like this does something to inspire countless young men who read the internet and surf these threads. So thanks for that account.

[tpopton]

I have been working sporadically at celibacy for the past 8 years and only recently have I really forced meditation. How much easier and fulfilling is this challenge now. I never thought I could actually get benefit before, but I just gave up when I was bored. I realize now the goal is effect, not experience (wise words from atmajyoti site). I have had slips since, but it is easier to get back on track now. I feel the goal is in sight. There is a special room in His mansion for your work Julian.

[DivineFellowship]

Yes, keeping the fundamental creative energy sacred and inside, it rolls around and gets more refined. You & your mind become more refined. You become more sensitive and aware. You get higher taste. That 'music' is the sounds of ignorance & lust. The longer you work at continence the more powerful your mind, the more things you'll know & perceive, the more successful at worldly goals, and the more you'll get from meditation & spiritual practices. You can apply the shakti/ojas anywhere you like.

[renndragon]

awesome and thank you very much !! I also notice that I am better able to love my fellow brothers in this world. Like brotherly respect towards man. But that's enough testimony for today because the benefits are endless. My sweet brother keep going man. keep going!

[DivineFellowship]

@renndragon -- Yes, one of the basic and important results of getting moral self-control is your relationships with men are set back to their natural form, that is, you see the basic nobility of men and prefer their company as a baseline. Just like when being a boy, you prefer to play with other boys. When sex is removed from the equation, you see the male and the female natures more clearly.

[blackoutninja]

@DivineFellowship I have one question- are you implying any of the following

a) that sex is evil and/or bad/negative is some way

b) that celibacy and chastity is a superior state of being to non celibacy/marriage?

peace, God bless!

[Phage0070]

@pOeROsesyadig

So God made Eve to push Adam away?

You are a moron.

[darysons1]

This is truly awesome! I am so inspired right now. I am currently researching Christian mysticism and it is really speaking to me.

[DivineFellowship]

Excellent!

JL

[rowanrox]

Cool bro, I recently got enamored with Eastern Christianity, it deals with two means of meditation-via positiva and via negativa, nothing but using the mind to transcend it, it gives you a feeling of awe. My journey to this started from my stint with Vedantic Philosophy, Bhakti and finally Christianity interesting journey and Thanks for the video. TC :-)

[DivineFellowship]

So-called tantra is fools believing lust is the same thing as enlightenment. The wise renounce the everyday conventional thrills of sensual pleasure in exchange for the better gift of transcendental pleasure. Nothing is really renounced. It's you who, with attachment to lust, renounce spiritual realization. Sounds like you're paranoid of self-control, brahmacharya, and the inner strength for meditation that comes from continence. But bleed on. You have billions for company.

JL

[TempleOfLight888]

Tantric Philosophy is a higher path than the way of renunciation.

The RC Church is paronoid about sex.

[canman86]

@TempleOfLight888 learn about theology of the body my friend.

[DivineFellowship]

SEX ADDICTS are PARANOID about not having their SEX PLEASURE to make them feel better. Real mystics 'feel better' by getting cosmic bliss, made possible with continence & meditation. The Catholic Church still CARRIES THE WISDOM that opened the path to cosmic bliss for many Catholic saints; no paranoia involved. The wise have a healthy fear of stupidity and error. So-called tantra (calling lust religion) is simple stupidity. The sex thrill profoundly weakens the body and makes samadhi impossible.

[DivineFellowship]

Of course. If a man can't be celibate a week he's not a man. If he can't attain a month, he's not a matured or spiritually developed man.

It only takes a few orgasms to have a Big Family. When not procreating, a wise man & good father practices celibacy, a difficult attainment and not the "last" thing males should be studying. I myself fathered 4. Wherever there is a strict morality = High birth rate. Where there are celibate priests or sages, High Birthrate PLUS prosperity, guaranteed. Think!

[renndragon]

I just got to 3 months of chastity. Thanks for the inspiration! I feel at ease about the future. I feel happy with the things that I have in my life. It is easy to say what's on my mind. I look better too. 35 years old and I feel great. Never tired anymore or depressed. thank you thank you thankyou.

[DivineFellowship]

That's very good news. Now, more importantly, thank God that you have been given the eyes to perceive this, and try in your life to help other men discover this, and renew your people and their religious knowledge which gives prosperity.

[renndragon]

Yes. I talk to 3 men about it . That are open to it. But others say it isn't so ... and others just brush it off as if I said nothing at all.

[renndragon]

Oh by the way ..one other thing . I now find hard rock and dirty hip hop music repulsive. It makes me sick It's like I am more in tune to the damage it does. And also can see right through the shallowness of the people that make that music . The filthiness of the women that are sex objects, it's like they lost thier souls. I cannot wait to see what 6 months does to me!! Can you give me a preview of what 6 months chastity is like ????

[thepixieful]

@renndragon look at the use of words here don't use words like dirty and repulsive, just let it go.....if others want it fine, just let it go and be light, not these muddy words...........signed 8 years of sleeping alone, and my one chance back to romance, gone........ah, filth of women who are sex objects, nope again, goddesses of erotica but you are light and do not feed that desire...self hate will not do it, pure love will.

[khattamshud]

However, I cannot support celibacy, unless you're talking about specifically out of marriage. God wants us to be fruitful and multiply; in this decadent age especially it is important for those of faith & intelligence to spread their love thru children.

[DivineFellowship]

Think: Why do the men respecting sex, disciplining it, thinking it's meant for something special, HAVE THE KIDS? I'm one. I have 4! It only takes 10 orgs to have 10 KIDS. How many orgs have you had? Have kids. Then, let the energy strengthen you for fathering and God-quest. The more self-control, the more likely to have kids. If a fellow can't be celibate a week he's barely human. If he can't go a month he's no man. If he can't go past a month & has no interest he has no spiritual aspiration.

[khattamshud]

Excellent!

[DivineFellowship]

"Christian mysticism sees that love is the Essence, Mystery, God and everyone can experience God through love."

Blah blah. LOVE OF GOD WITHIN. Not love of sex, T.V., fedgov, or Jewish race-war propaganda. The highest love for humankind is speaking truth; leading them from error. Christian mysticism gives clear sight; fearlessness, not bland "whatever." Don't talk "love" at us. Jesus harshly reproved liars -- so much they KILLED Him for it. What you call love is weakness; fear of speaking truth.

[DivineFellowship]

His comments are in quotes prior to each response. I was replying to a person who mistook feminine weakness (in men) for "love," and muddle-headed confusion for "mysticism."

[PrayerPeacePurity]

Julian, who are you replying to?

I can't see the comment you are responding to.

[DivineFellowship]

Study Christ. Christian love is not being smarmy-nice to everybody and avoidance of 'rocking the boat.' Christian love, as shown by Christ, was fierce and unafraid when dealing with evil. The genuine Christian mystic has balls. And so do celibates. And there is a connection there.

These spineless, weak, and fuzzy-thinking western "mystics" disgust.

[DivineFellowship]

"I think your celibacy website, which you show at the end of your video, resembles evangelicist propaganda."

How funny. So you dislike the Evangel?

And don't like seeing the Evangel propagated? Or truth? You're a funny bird!

"Your perspective is the very opposite of Christian mysticism."

Oh? Rejection of lust and the world is the "opposite" of Christian mysticism? Love of God thru cultivation of a felt relationship w/God within is "the opposite" of Christian mysticism?

You seem quite lost.

[DivineFellowship]

"Love draws you to want to be within it, part of it."

Yes indeed, not part of the error-filled world.

Love of God brings knowledge and discrimination. Christ had it, and was quite a firebrand I note.

[DivineFellowship]

"Christian mysticism sees that love is the Essence, Mystery, God and everyone can experience God through love."

Love does not mean accepting lies or injustice. He who really loves his people wants to lead them out of error, and remove from them oppression and injustice. You seem unqualified, then, to speak about love.

"I don't see any love in your website, noting like these great Christian mystics."

Then you don't see very well!

Your vision certainly needs improvement.

[PrayerPeacePurity]

It's a track by Mogwai, an experimental instrumental band from Scotland. I forget the name of the track, but you can find it on their album "Happy Songs For Happy People"

[AbramSailor79]

Could you please tell me the song title and artist for this song. I enjoyed it very much.

[DivineFellowship]

What further context does her plain statement need in order to show the value of meditation in Christian life? (Which is the point of the video.):

"If you have not begun to meditate, I implore you by the love of your Lord not to deprive yourself of so great a good. There is nothing to be afraid of. There is everything to hope for."

What sort of "context" would either negate this statement or make it less valuable?

[michiganois]

Of course, the Gnostic emphasis which does not accept orthodox teaching that there is one life for each human here, bound body and soul resurrection and, in the flesh life, heaven and merely considers Jesus Christ as a "fully realized" person ignores His salvific role in the lives of believers, whether or not they are mystics. Thus, Teresa of Avila's observations and other quotations shown her are out of context. Teresa, a Doctor of the Church, no less, would reject this use. Christ Is Risen.

[DivineFellowship]

In the Hindu view God always dwells among us as pure, enlightened sages, in all ages. Not just once long ago in a foreign culture. And they connect the sacrifice idea to a broader principle, in which a pure, God-knowing saint absorbs karma like a white cloth absorbs stain. When evil attacks a pure, chaste, God-man, it is destroyed. In Hinduism, the pure "guru" always takes on karma. The amount taken on depend so his purity and greatness of his God-realization. Thus, Christ had to be very great.

[kub73158]

Obviously,God saw how pitiful we are and in His mercy, dwelt among us to show us how to live.

Then,He sacrifices Himself on our behalf,so that we may abide with Him;the eternal miracle.

[newreligion666]

COOL VEDIO

[DivineFellowship]

Jesus was a "fully realized" Son of God.

[illuminationhighrock]

what's the name of this song?, it's really good

[mwngw]

"Fully realized?", o.k...I'll grant that. But "a" son of God? Emphatically NO! Jesus is "the ONLY begotten Son of God". Unique in every way, especially his eternal essence with the Father and Holy Spirit. If you ignore His utter uniqueness by His unique Divinity, you do so to your own destruction.

[DivineFellowship]

Do you take "only begotten son" literally, in the way that humans understand sons? Did God have a wife, then? Daughters? Essence is essence. It obviously refers to a station, a state of being, and not "sons" in the human way we understand sons. Or are you saying that the "son of God" can only have one name, and appear in one form? Even ordinary human beings can use many names and change their forms. Essence. Essence. Anyway, who was the "uncle" of God, pray tell?

[crazedmystic]

Man, that St. Teresa of Avila quote is bugging me. "...There is nothing to be afraid of. There is everything to hope for..."

It is impossible to have hope without fear. Hoping means a part of you is afraid of not getting something. If I don't hope for anything I have no fear ;)

hope & fear are like conjoined twins. you can not have one without the other.

So if your afraid don't worry, you also have hope... ahhhh fuck both of them

[DivineFellowship]

"The limit of Christianity is...I simplified nothing..."

You simplified much. Christian meditation is not "always Christ-centric." (It may involve saints, or other aspects of God.) It doesn't always involve pondering Christ's suffering.

[DivineFellowship]

Next, though you speak of "Eastern forms of meditation" like a collection of wholly different things, many of those techniques involve "meditation on the guru." (A Chriistian could certainly only learn from that for "meditation on Christ.")

You do over-simply, while at the same time creating false differences/false complexities, which is a Christian fault, not a virtue.

[DivineFellowship]

You would think that Christians, of all people, would be comfortable with the concept of the "transcendental," since they are supposed to be interested in the Transcendental (God), and the whole idea of Christ is transcendental -- transcending sin, etc.

Most Christians are more interested, though, in Trademark protection as it were, and inventing false differences, than in God/the Transcendental. If what these Christian saints say upsets you, maybe your Christianity has grown too small.

[DivineFellowship]

"The saints you mentioned spoke not of meditation even resembling "transcendental" meditation, you can't deny that."

Again, don't confuse this with "TM." (Although there is no need to deny the profound value of that particular body of knowledge, which none of us, by the way, are connected to.)

These saints say what they say. And they do say many of the things said by God-loving saints of other faiths, who MEDITATED ON GOD, THE TRANSCENDENTAL. Why is this trouble?

[DivineFellowship]

"The saints you mentioned spoke not of meditation even resembling "transcendental" meditation, you can't deny that."

Hello?? God is transcendental. Do you have a problem with that word? Nothing here speaks of "TM" (trademark) associated with M. Mahesh Yogi, Fairfield, Iowa. If with the idea of God having transcendental aspects bothers you, there is something wrong with your concept of the word.

[DivineFellowship]

Indeed, we specialize in perturbing them. The more religions connected to spiritual knowledge through their own culture, the better. Let us see many saints again arising in Christianity, and the other faiths, through mastery of the eternal religious essentials of moral purity, love-of-God, and meditation for God-contact. Let each religion be strong and each religion have saints! JL

[paxcoder]

Christian meditation is always Christ-centric (such as pondering upon the suffering of our Lord), and extroverted thus differing from the eastern forms of meditation which are introverted since the teaching is" you are God", or "become one with everything (everything being yourself)". We, in turn recognize the existence of a Higher being, our Creator, whose we are creations, and nothing more.

May Peace (that is in your Creator Jesus alone) be with you.

[DivineFellowship]

You are oversimplifying Christian mysticism, which is a vast realm with centuries of history. Mysticism by it's very nature takes you beyond limits and mental conceptions. At the same time, you over-simplify "eastern forms of meditation." This is a typical immature Christian reactionary response to efforts of others to offer new insight, attractiveness, meaning, or new value, to Christian mysticism. There are no limits to Christian mysticism, just as there is no limit to God or Christ.

[paxcoder]

The limit of Christianity is not to go into paganism, which it seeks to replace, just like limit to God is, believe it or not, evil, which He is not.

I simplified nothing, rather, I explained it to the people watching this video who aren't familiar with both. The saints you mentioned spoke not of meditation even resembling "transcendental" meditation, you can't deny that. Christian meditation does not involve shutting the brain down, let alone abandoning Christian religion for "new insight".

[PrayerPeacePurity]

The Saints mentioned have written about inner Mystical states synonymous with those discovered in Eastern traditions. Especially Teresa of Avila, who described the complete suspension of the faculties (breath, heartbeat, mind), and union with God. Yes, the approach is slightly different, with emphasis on Prayer, speaking with God, meditation on Christ, etc. Yet these approaches parallel Eastern styles of chanting, mantra and Guru Devotion. Guru is considered God. Mantra is to praise God.

[jlp58mjp]

amen.......

[illuminationhighrock]

paxcoder, some christians contradict themselves. They often speak of an omnipresent God yet they see God only as being external to themselves. Even though Jesus taught that the kingdom of heaven is within. They have made Jesus into an idol, even though this contradicts what Jesus taught about idolatry. Jesus was the son of God in the same manner that we are all sons and daughters of God.

[heituzi]

Beautiful work. This will perturb the sectarians and shallow followers of any religion.

[megansspark]

excellent vid, thank you!

[hippyholocaust]

High quality stuff!