You know what I dont like about certain so called christians is that they denie certain scriptures when it dont line up with there doctrine. All of God of word is perfect. Prov 30:5 and psalms 19:7
the thing that is odd.... is; Assemblies of God. at one time believed exactly as Oneness Pentecostals do. they for some reason fell away from what the bible says. It is a shame they walked away from what they once believed.
-The Son has a beginning: Pro 8.22-30 (God has never been without wisdom). The Son is not the Father, but he is ANOTHER HIMSELF of the ONE that is the Father (a double): Luke 6.12; John 14.9a “I”, “Me”; the Holy Spirit too: Ro 8.27; John 14.16 “OTHER”.
-Le fils a un début: Pro 8.22-30 (Dieu n'a jamais été sans sagesse). Le Fils n'est pas le Père, mais il est UN AUTRE LUI-MÊME de CELUI qui est le Père (double): Luc 6,12; Jn 14.9a "JE", "M'AS"; le Saint-Esprit également: Ro 8,27; Jn 14,16 "AUTRE".
Trinity has nothing to do with being a cult. The best definition of a cult today is 'the manipulation and control a pastor or leader of that organization has over its congregants using their interpretation of scripture'. It's all about a pastor manipulating and controlling. A type of brainwashing to gain control. The same can be said of Jim Jones and his 'koolade drinkers'. They would do anything he told them to do. He was a master manipulator.
I was atheist still 26, then got saved and started a Baptist church, then a year and a half ago I was introduced to an Apostolic church. Within a month of attending this church I wanted to know more and went to their church camp in Oklahoma. Mr. Benard was THERE teaching what they believe, It was the most amazing experience I ever had. FINALLY someone actually has read (and practices) the Bible!! The hypocrisy of other denominations was one of the reasons I couldn't believe before!
In Mark 11:28, Jesus' authenticity is challenged by chief priests with wicked intent. As this video states, the Father (God) gave Him authority AKA His "witness". In John 14:8, Philip asks the same question (seeking proof) with a sincere heart and Jesus says, "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father". Shortly after, Jesus explains the coming of the Holy Ghost. In Acts 2:38 it arrives. "No one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water (baptism) and Spirit (Holy Ghost)" (John 3:5).
to speak in other tongues mentioned in Mark simply means they will spread the gospel in other languages. the grammar and context is simple to understand
Morey obviously doesn't know what he is talking about (especially at the beginning) about the origin of the church. I believe the Day of Pentecost was the day the Church was founded IN THE BIBLE...sounds like an origin to me...
@eflint1, The baptism in Jesus name in Acts were for Jews and Samaritans who were already monotheist who accepted the existence of one God and the Spirit of God but not Jesus. In Acts chap 2 Peter is preachings to Jews only. Read Irenaus against heresies book III CH.XII.
@LogosTheos...Jesus gave peter the keys to the kingdon of heaven...Peter knew the true revelation of who jesus was thats why jesus gave him the key..thats why he stood up in Acts 2:38...Not only to shoot down your response Acts chapter 10 cornelius was a GENTILE...Verse 44 the holysghost fell on the GENTILES..they spoke with tounges and magnified GOD..Then peter said how can you forbid water..AND commanded them to be baptized in the Name of the LORD....so that goes for you and everyone else.
However, to Trinitarians I say, you need to look at at the baptism in Jesus name issue. If the Apostles indeed invoked Jesus' name in baptism, then why would you NOT want to do the same? And please don't tell me, "it doesn't matter". EVERYTHING matters!!
Are we suppose to invoke the name of Christ in baptism? YES! Is water baptism essential? Yes!! But are we REALLY going to put a repentant sinner,who has trusted alone in the finished work of the cross, and has been filled with the Spirit in HELL because a flawed human being uttered the wrong words over them when they were buried with Christ? If you do, then you have ZERO clue what God is declaring about someone when He fills them with the Spirit. (continued)
What both camps (Trinity and Oneness) don't seem to get, is that when God baptizes someone with the Holy Ghost, HE ACCEPT THEM !! They are baptized into the body of Christ!! The are SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise! They are given eternal life!! We ALL see through a glass darkly! We ALL have missed it somewhere! We ALL will stand before God having missed it doctrinally on some point!! But if you have been Spirit baptized, the YOU ARE GOD's !! Get over yourselves!! (continued)
There is no real difference between trinity and oneness. Both believe Jesus is God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Oneness is simply pseudo-Trinitarianism. Both preach the God-man doctrine, both preach a man-made dogma. Jesus is not God nor a god. The Apostles preached "Jesus, a MAN APPROVED OF GOD." NO MAN IS GOD and GOD IS NO MAN. The announcer is right, trinity and oneness is splitting hairs. "God in his essence.." religious blahbah
The upci is a cult. It isolates its memebers and puts unreasonable burdens upon you. It is so full of itself. most meetings are about self hype and slogans. There is only one God! And you are supposed to put the pastors words on an even level with scripture, as if he is equally to be obeyed as the scripture. If you ever disagree with anything you have a bad spirit. give more pray more fast more attend more sacrifice for this precious denomination. that is all it is, a denominational cult
The Doctrine of the Trinity is NOT a Christian doctrine. Constantine was NOT a Christian. He worshiped the sun god until his death. The Doctrine of the Trinity dates back to Babylon. Constantine synthesized the Catholic church by bringing together Christianity and the Babylonian Mystery Religions. Peter was NOT the first pope, and he died a martyr in Jerusalem, not in Rome.
The Doctrine of the Trinity is NOT a Christian doctrine. Constantine was NOT a Christian. He worshiped the sun god until his death. The Doctrine of the Trinity dates back to Babylon. Constantine synthesized the Catholic church by bringing together Christianity and the Babylonian Mystery Religions. Peter was NOT the first pope, and he died a martyr in Jerusalem, not in Rome.
@weswade well spoken my friend the word Trinity is not in the bible or was it in jesus time it was introduced by constantine instead of saying father son holly ghost he said lets call it the Trinity
@Normpercy That is a lame argument to say the word "Trinity" isn't in the Bible, so the Tinity doesn't exist . That is like saying the word "Bible" isn't in the Bible ( and it's not ), so the Bible doesn't exist.
notice, if you read the Bible, the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible. It does say that out Lord our God is One, Not tree, but One, He is the Father, He is the Son, and He is the Holy Ghost, but in ONE, for example I am a son, husband, father, cousin,ect. but i have a name given to me when i was born. Jesus was given his Name when He was born and He is the Lord our Father, He is the Alpha, Omega, Beginning and the End.
mankind has tried for generation after generation to change God's word...but no one can change it...it is what it is..and it changes not...Jesus is God manifest in the flesh..1Timothy 3:16....the word don't change...so many scriptures don't line up with the trinity doctrine...that's what matters what the word says
the trinity is a lie...Jesus is, was, and is to come the God ..God is not a person as the trinity doctrine states...He is Lord Malachi 3:6, Jesus was made both Lord and Christ Acts 2:36, One Lord one faith, one baptism ephesians 4:5....Jesus was God made flesh...according to scripture..if you an't argue or debate by scripture..you have no argument. the word is for ever settled in heaven and it won't change to justify the trinity or any other false doctrine...
virtually no one from 200 A.D. to 1915 met the requirements the upc demands to be saved. that would be a monstrous failure were that the gospel. You know it and I know it. Embarrasing, isn't it? You see, it is about seeking HIM and nothing else, not fulfilling 'requirements' and ritual. you guys are more like catholics than bible christians in that you have ritual to be saved. Faith is all that we need. GRACE is really what you need to understand. peace my friend.
They are not demands met to be saved. We are saved by grace. We are in a covenant relationship with Jesus. We are made holy by Jesus. Therefore, we strive live in that holines (seperation) that God has given us. They are not rules or salvation points but the following of Scriptural principles. If you have experienced otherwise at a UPC or Apostolic church, I apologize but that's not the organizations attempt... I assure you. God bless you my friend.
@lionelaguilar its the way they are presented. try sitting in a upc church while not following any one of the standards. you will soon feel the heat, and this is why they become more than personal convictions, they are many times someone elses forced upon everyone
@musicmusing if that's what you've experienced at a upc church that's ashame and I apologize. David K Bernard was my pastor for over 9 years and he is now the leader of the organization as general superintendent. I asure you he is a sincere Christian servant in following and teaching God's word. The UPC's stance on liviing a life of holiness (including external) is based off of a covenant relationship with God, standing on the principals of His Word.
@lionelaguilar granted Bernard is a little more moderate and balanced, yet he still holds to all the false doctrines the upc holds. Being polite doesn't make it right
@lionelaguilar There are many sincere UPCI members. Many 'good' people who follow the organization. I do not doubt that. But they are decieved by manipulation and control. Manipulation through many years of hearing 'interpretation of scriptures' . Look up the true definition of what a cult is. The UPCI is an excellent example of a cult. They coax their people to dress a certain way, pray a certain way, attend services, etc. The clicker is: They do not realize they are manipulating.
@lkk54935 I agree. It is sad. There are many in the upc who want to leave, who know this can't be the way God intended, yet it is soo hard to leave. They make you feel you will most definitely go to hell if you leave. Wow. if you feel it is an unhealthy place for you ,and your family, you have an OBLIGATION to leave. You have to begin to exercise faith in God, trust in God, which really is the opposite of living for every word the pastor says. Leave, people, God WILL lead you
@musicmusing ... Actually I go to an apostolic church and I have a choice to leave if I want to. I have never heard my pastor make anyone feel that they are going to go to hell for Leaving.... I would wish that people wouldnt blanket the whole apostolic church for their disgruntled opinion or experience....
@musicmusing ... I dont know cuz i have never left and dont intend to. Im sure they would say it is a shame that i left what the bible says, and knowing the people in my church they would pray for me, just as i would do for another... dont misunderstand my comment to bash, that was not an intention, however they have left and let their standards down, and that is fact... how they choose to believe is between them and God.
@myGodis1lord the upc has no scholars, no agreement with what almost every scholar has ever taught, yet they are right? and all of Christianity throughout history are lost? you parrot the same lines I always hear . I was there for 10 years. study. study. not Bernard. the bible. think for yourself. study. the bible. study. the bible. discuss things with others who also have left. they can tell you why you are so wrong yet probably sincere. watch oneness/trinity debates
Respond to this video... ... Let me get this straight. Since a church wants to teach and preach all the apostles did they are called a cult and fanatical people. Well if that is the case i wanna believe as they did and do what they did and live a life seperate like they did. Sign me up... Easy Believism has slipped the current church age a mickey and have tricked them to fornicate with lies that satan has whispered into their ears. turning to fables and itching ears.
@lkk54935 I believe most upc people wish they had never heard of this place. You have to tell yourself- God probably has a better way. Can you trust God to help you no matter how hard it is to leave? Yes you can! Put your head down, listen not to people who will dissuade you in leaving. Put God above all else. There are so many balanced, healthy churches where people actually love you because Christ loves them and grace is in their heart. Do not fear man or his opinion, GOD desires good for you
@musicmusing ... wow, welllllllllllllllllllll, what was Jesus out of his mind when he said you needed water and Spirit baptism to see and enter the kingdom of heaven, i mean you CANNOT see or enter unless you are born of water and Spirit, seems like Jesus had something to say there, cuz if you love him you will obey him they are not it they are part of it.
@myGodis1lord the upc is not the first to tackle these scriptures. there are views that make much more sense than the upc. however you must do diligence and study what others think and why. especially those who have left because they understand the specific issues. not all leave for the wrong reasons. i left fully convinced the upc is so wrong and unhealthy. but when you go 5 times a week it is hard to consider things for yourself. it is actually brainwashing no offense but it is true
@musicmusing watch A Call To Holiness' video Why I Left Pentecostalism. Don't be afraid to consider the issues. Also he has a video Oneness P entecostalism Destroyed. I know the title sounds negative but if you watch the whole video you will at least know FROM THE SCRIPTURES why many have left and are closer to God than when they were in the upc. Thanks my friend, I really wish you peace and grace in our Lord.
light, moderate, even move of God: these are mans terms and mans thinking. If one has Christ as the light of ones life, this is the power of God. not a bunch of noise
a sad aspect of life in the upc is you are constantly defending your doctrines with debating and posturing, with slogans and the same barrage of tired expressions. You never really move into the glorious peace and happiness that you should experience as a Christian. Knowing you have been redeemed, and are safe in the saviors arms. There is no fear, no dread of losing your savior. He is mine and I am His. I have passed from death to life, how precious is my Lord! Love casts out fear! Praise God!
the gospel speaks of the cross, the good news; Christ died on the cross, taking our sin upon Himself, as the sacrifice for our sin. it is all about Him, looking to him and what He has done to atone for our sin. it is not about WHAT WE MUST DO TO BE SAVED, it is about the gift of salvation, by grace thru faith, that we recieve this precious gift. NOT OF OURSELVES, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. He is the savior, not us or our actions to 'be saved'. I really believe this after being upc for years.
also, to believe all the Christians over the centuries who truly lived for God and put all their faith in the work of the cross, to believe they are lost is just insanity and really disregards Gods ability to save those who did turn to Him. i mean, really, if this doesn't trouble you you need to ponder the efficacy of the gospel . the gates of hell will not prevail , even throughout the centuries. In the upc view, virtually ALL believers were lost before 1915. I don't believe you believe this
GOD IS OMNIPRESENT!! SIMULTANEOUSLY.. THERE IS NOTHING IMPOSSIBLE IN GOD!! so?? whats with the questions guys?? HE CAN DO ANYTHING! HE CAN BE THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY GHOST!! SO THESE THREE ARE ONE!! VERY Simple!!!!!
Jesus Christ is The Eternal Son of God..One can not be a Father without having a Son.Our God has always and will always be Triune in his Nature,One Eternal God Manifested in Three Persons Namely,The Father,The Son,& The Holy Ghost and these three are One God...Jesus prayed to his Father showing us that they are distinct in Person but are One in Deity!Jesus said I and my Father are One!John10:30 That means one in Unity,purpose,will,and deity,but distinct as to person....
@shieldsff Jesus said "Baptizing them in the NAME" Singular. I'm a father, a son, and I have a spirit none are my name. They are just titles or references to what I am not who I am. So What is THE NAME of God? John 5:43, John 10:25, Hebrews 1:4 can you inherit something the one you inherit from does not already poses? You think that God in his infinite Wisdom would give the key to the kingdom to one who would get it wrong? Would not one of the others have spoken up if he did? Read Acts2:1-42
@rainmakerjgc The only distinction made was between the flesh and the spirit! Just as your body is just a covering for the real you, your spirit the flesh or physical body of Jesus was the cloak of the Almighty God. John 1 He did this so that he could walk with man and relate to our pain, struggles, temptation and sin, yet without sin because God cannot sin.
@rainmakerjgc so do you believe the gospel failed and 99 % of those who turn to Christ for salvation are lost because of a formula? Or the 'truth' is so cryptic it was lost for 2000 years?
@musicmusing The gospel cannot fail. 100% of the people that turn to God in the way that the scriptures say are saved. It is up to the individual to decide it they will follow all the scriptures or only the ones that make them feel good about the decisions they are willing to make. The Truth is not cryptic and has never been lost . People have been following the Plan as laid out by the Apostles for the last 2000 years. Study history. Who do you think were burned at the stake as heretics?
Irmãos, nós aqui no Brasil, sofremos muito por causa do Nome de Jesus. Aqui os trinitarianos são maioria, mas, Jesus tem nos dado Graças e temos vencido o inimigo. Jesus é e sempre será um único Deus!
this isnt bad at all. the trinity is a man created thing and it does not exist in the bible i dont know where people got that from, that there are three distinct persons and they are god but they are not each other. do the maths if they are different there are 3 Gods
@JESUSISREAL78 I came out of UPCI. You have let Religion blind you from seeking the truth. I used all the same talking points just like this. Also, you cannot say that the only way to be saved is to repent, be baptized in Jesus name and infiling of Holy Spirit with speaking in tounges. In Acts 2:38 those folk were already saved. baptism and speaking in tounges is an outward expression of a believer. it is not unto salvation. otherwise that would be works and is not able to save or santify one.
@heavyman25 I also left. There is so much of the Lord that is not shared in the upc. You are taught fear and anxiety rather than love and peace. You cannot truly be a Christian if you always doubt your own salvation! He has come to bring glad tidings, to give rest to the weary, to say do not be troubled, be not anxious, you have passed from death to life. He saves to the uttermost. You can trust Him. You can have peace that passes all understanding. It's not about us , it's about Him.
yes, true but I think you are missing the source of the discord. The problem is that the UPC "oneness" sect holds that believers in the Godhead and the complexity of God and those who have not been baptized in the "name" of Jesus are not truly saved and redeemed for eternity by Jesus. It is because of this assertion and the willful rejection of salvation by faith solely that this sect is a CULT.
@shieldsff Salvation by faith solely is willful rejection of salvation. The Bible is a covenant between God and man. Old Testament = Old Covenant, New Testament = New Covenant .You have to read the whole New Covenant that God made with man. James 2:26, John 3:3-7, Acts are in direct conflict with your doctrine of salvation by faith solely. Once saved always saved is also contrary to the word of God. If you are honest, pray for God's understanding and read your Bible you will see Truth.
@rainmakerjgc - yes, thanks for confirming your position and as I stated below, it is this erroneous position (in conjunction with several other points) which defines your sect as a cult in the view of traditional, biblical Christianity.
@shieldsff You are correct...partially. UPCI is a cult in the "view" of traditional Christianity just a Jesus was the leader of a cult according to the 'view" of traditional religious leaders 2,000 years ago. When you are talking about Biblical Christianity you are incorrect, just as the religious "elite" were dead wrong about Christ. As I said before pray for understanding when you read your bible. Don't try to make it fit what you were told. Philippians 2:12, Colossians 2:8-9, Acts 2:37-42
@musicmusing I am sorry your experience was like that. God is not the author of fear and any pastor who uses fear or (iron fist) is not being led of God. My grandfather and my pastors taught love. When the Bible talks about the Fear of God it is talking about reverence and respect, not fright. I grew up in UPCI and my experience was the opposite of yours. I am unaffiliated only because I will go to any church that is in God's will and teaches the truth no matter the affiliation or lack thereof.
@rainmakerjgc there may be some moderate upc churches but the 5 I went to over the years all focused on the same things- be a yes man, give more money and time( it is never enough), feel more guilt and condemnation( there is always more you can do), put the church way above family, etc. it will always be an unhealthy denomination as it is rooted in pride (we are the TRUE believers who have the 'truth'. Jesus Christ is the truth and -period. People need Christ . No other 'truth' required
@musicmusing The things your brought up are a different subject than if a church is moderate. Some of what you mentioned are things that the apostle Paul warned about. I do not go to nor do I subscribe to a church that practices a moderate/light Pentecost. Pentecostal refers to the doctrine of the apostles that was laid out in Acts though Jude. With a moderate/light Pentecost you have light moves of God. With extreme Pentecost you have extreme moves of God. Which do you prefer? Galatians 1:8-9
@heavyman25 Faith without works is DEAD! James 2:26 and if you really believe that then what about John 3:3-6? That disproves your statement that they are just and outward expression. No organization UPCI or otherwise will save you. On the Plan of salvation they are correct. If you can read your bible and not see that then you have blinded yourself. I am not affiliated with an organization but I believe the Acts 2 message and all the scriptures before and after that back it up.
David Bernard has the biblical Jesus. Of course David doesn't have the nicene or trinitarian Jesus 'cos that's the pagan version. The trinity is false doctrine. Jesus is the Father, God the Father became his own Son. God can't be known except by the Spirit of God.
Yes of course we boldly admit that we go against "Orthodox Christianity". Are we supposed to continue to believe whats wrong simply because thats the way its always been done? You couldn't possibly understand the oneness of God without the Holy Ghost. Your eyes will not be opened, and neither will your understanding. (This is directed toward Mr. Morey)
ISA 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Thanks for the Truth i appreciate it so much Jesus never said he was a Trinity it was made up by the Roman Catholic church and i Wish the Trinity people would see this all they seem to do is like to aruge and have debates with you i have family who are Trinity so you or anyone know how hard it is to talk to them.
Son god(God man), Father god(creator) and ghost god are three Gods?
Mary, a virgin, An angel visited her and explained to her that she would conceive a son by the power of the Holy Spirit(god). She would carry and give birth to this child(god) and she would name him Jesus(god).
@OccultTruth ..you already mentioned Son God, Father God, and Ghost God, it means three Gods. The Bible clearly teached that there is only One God (Deut 6:4) Isa 44:6 Isa 44:8 Isa 44:24 and many more to mention. Please read and Understand the Virgin Birth Mat 1: 21 - 23.. if you still dont understand Read 1 Tim 3:16...and there is no need of Debate....
@litobayonito I am not trying to be ugly, but this stuff of oneness people saying that Trinitarians believe that there are 3 gods is not only rediculous but it is a scare tactic. The big problem that I have with oneness is simply this. To uphold this doctrine you have to deny that Jesus has always existed as the Son of God. You have to say that he did not come into being as the Son of God until his birth. This is totally false. cont-
@jwednall ..I appreciate your comments. Trinitarians belief in One God But in three persons cannot deny that these 3 persons are Gods. We cannot read that the Bible teached that there are 3 Gods. God is only One. Oneness believers are not denying the existence of the Son. It is in the scriptures ( Mat 1:21-23) ( Gal 4:4). The Bible Plainly teaches that One God was manifested as The Son (Flesh) in only One Person (Not 3 Persons) Jesus.( Isa 7:14) (Isa 9:6)(1 Tim 3:16) Please study and read..
@litobayonito - thats not so. I do have to be honest and say that I don't completely comprehend the Trinity. Having said that, I believe that scripture teaches it. The way that I understand it is that there is one God being that is God, but 3 persons make up the 1 being who is God. These 3 persons are not Gods but God. When I say that oneness denies the existence of the Son, I mean that they are denying that he existed in eternity past. He was just a plan. Correct me please if I am wrong.
@jwednall .dear friend sorry for the late reply. You are right that the son is in the mind, plan of God. We cannot read in our Bible that the son is eternal. The son is Begotten not eternal, the son has its beggining...3 persons to make up the Godhead is a wrong doctrine.. why... allow me to ask these questions... was the 1st person God? was the 2nd person God.? was the 3rd person God..obviously you will say yes for sure...so it means that 1+1+1= is it 1 God or 3 Gods.....we knew how to count...
@litobayonito the son did not have a beginning. He is the beginning. The scriptures tell us that by him and through him were all things made. Jesus asked his father in John 17:5 to glorify him with the same glory that he had when he was with before the world was. John 1 tells that in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the was God. I am not reading anything into my bible my friend. That is what it says.
@litobayonito As for you being able to count. I never said that you couldn't. I just do not think that your understanding of the Godhead is correct. I would like to remind you of 1John 5:7- For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Please explain to me what these 3 are 1 mean?
@jwednall thanks for allowing me to explain: this verse of scripture is often used by those who believe in three persons of God, it actually refutes this view, for it says that "these three are one" Some interpret this phrase to mean one in unity as a man and wife are one. If the word "one" referred to unity, instead of a numerical designation, then the godhead can be viewed as many Gods which the bible doesnt teach. In a united council or Government, If unity were meant, the verse should -con-
@jwednall ...have read " these three agree as one" It is also interesting to note that this verse does not use the word "son" but "word" If son were the special name of a separate person in the Godhead, and if this verse were trying to teach separate persons, why did it use the "word" instead of the "Son"? Son does not refer primarily to deity but the "word" does. The Word is not a separate person from the father any more than a his word are separate persons, rather, the Word is the thought-con
@litobayonito Then please explain to me, if the Godhead is made up of 1 person that just manifests himself in these 3 ways, then how and why are these 3 manifestations bearing record in heaven? Is God manifested as Jehovah for a minute, then Jesus for a little while, then the Holy Spirit, for a little while?
@jwednall ..again I will explain, this is how and why these 3 manifestations bear record in heaven. God is Jehovah (Exo 6:) Jesus (Son) for the purpose of Redemption, the Holy spirit for regeneration. as an additional explanation about 1 jhn 5:7. You are right that One God was manifest himself in 3 ways..let me explain. The Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit is not a separate person from the Father any more than a man and his spirit are separate persons. Holy Spirit Just describes what God Is. -cont-
@jwednall ..1 Jhn 5:7 says that three bear record in heaven; that is, God has recorded himself in three modes of activity or has revealed himself in 3 ways. He has at least 3 heavenly roles: Father, Word (not son), and Holy Ghost. Furthermore these 3 roles describe One God: "these three are One"
@litobayonito" He has at least 3 heavenly roles: Father, Word (not son), and Holy Ghost" John 1:1-3:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. This passage is clearly speaking of Jesus. The Son.
@litobayonito Im not disagreeing wtih you, just making a correction. I am Apostolic BTW.. You were talking about the 3 roles being one, and you stated: Father, Word (not son)... John 1:14 corrects that.
@michaelnole ,,sir Im very thankful that you have corrected my comments,,It is Right that John 1:14 says,,"and the word was made Flesh,," but what what Im saying about 1 john 5:7-(since trinitarian believers quoting this verse as 3 persons in One God ),,"why the verse uses The Word and not the Son,,.Pls dont mis-interpret me,,If the Son were the special name of a separate person in The Godhead, and if this verse were trying to teach a separate persons,, why did it use "Word" instead of "Son"?,,
@michaelnole ..cont....Son does not refer primarily to deity, but the "Word" does,, Am I correct this way... Im just trying to explain that they Mis understood the meaning of 1 John 5:7,, This verse is not refering to three persons in One God...
@litobayonito Very true. I see what you are saying. I use John 1:1 and John 1:14 to prove my point to a lot of Trinitarians. Thanks for explaining. God bless
@michaelnole Pentecostals are very dangerous, deceiving, and is setting the world up for the anti-christ, Jesus only, or Trinitarians are of the anti-christ. God reveals himself as three distinct beings and all excist at the same time!
@eptx1983 Do you realize that Jesus only, and Trinitarian are completely opposite of each other? And besides.. Im not Jesus only, Im Jesus EVERYTHING. Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. These three are one.
@michaelnole Yes but I was reffering to the Jesus only, and trinitarian pentecostals. My emphasis was on pentecostals altogether. Jesus is not the Father, nor the Holy Spirit. "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1John 5:7
@litobayonito It is false because of John 17:5-And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Jesus is asking his father to glorify him with the same glory that he had when he was with him before the world began. To believe in oneness as I have heard it taught is to deny that Jesus has always existed as the Son. That is like saying God has not always existed if in fact Jesus is God which he is.
@jwednall .. as I have discussed to my previous post dear friend, God existed in eternity for he is the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all things in it.. You are right that Jesus was God, But God was not always manifested as Jesus ( Son). John 17:5 it is true that Jesus Said" glorify thou me with thine ownself with the glory which I Had with thee before the world was...It is because that he is the Only One God of the old Testament that was manifested in the flesh. Read (Isa 42:8)
@litobayonito I agree with you on that point, he is the God of the OT. That still does not answer how Jesus(Son) was with the Father before the world was. I am not trying to read things into the scriptures, but the Trinity is clearly established several times. Paul wrote several times about giving thanks to God the father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Why would he say this? If Jesus is the only one in heaven why not just give thanks to Jesus?
@jwednall ..my friend,, Go deeper and search for the truth...be prayerful,,,why? Wisdom and Knowledge about Oneness of God could not be understood through human interpratations but by Divine Revelation of the Holy Ghost (Mat 16:15-17). I just want to be honest with you.. Yes Paul mentions in his greetings in his epistles about Jesus, the Father, God our Father, But I want to ask you one question? Did Paul taught or mentions that these were three separate persons. Dont forget that Paul is a -con
@jwednall ...Parissee. and being a Parisee he was thought and learned about the Book of Moses that there is only One God. Please Read Acts 8: about the conversion of Paul..
I can't believe you all argue over this foolishness. Following a bunch of different scriptures that contradict each other allows you all to cherry pick what you want to believe while breeding hate at the same time. Enjoy your pathetic lives.
The biggest problem that UPCI has is its "Pastors". These guys have let women become "Elders and Pastors". There are in direct rebellion to the Word of God. This is the same as witchcraft. It is so bad that they don't even allow men to have beards. I do hope that they repent while there is yet time.
There is ONE God! Scripture clearly says He came into the world through Mary and His is Jesus, the Christ. Jesus ascended back into Heaven and is coming again to rapture His church!
U think upc doesn't follow orig Christianity, i hope U R catholic, b/c trinitarians come from catholics & wouldn't that mean that trinitarians are following a newer form of Christianity, so thats heresy.protestants are to catholics as upc is to protestants. their is only 1verse to back U up mt 28:19,but Jesus is the father,son,&the Holy Ghost.we have many verses mt 28:19 acts 2:38,john 1,john 3 verse 8 is talking clearly about the HG i could take U to acts all where baptized in Jesus name
@yvonnetompkins Matthew 28:19 doesn't actually back up the Trinitarians. The verse reads: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Notice the scripture reads "name" which is singular. The "name" is Jesus. If it said "names" that'd be different. So really, they dont have much...
@yvonnetompkins No reason to be rude. I am Apostolic, and was just saying the trinity doesn't have much backing. You said all they have is Matt 28:19, but they dont. Dont get so offended so easily. I agree with your beliefs...
@michaelnole ok i said all they have is matt 28:19 and then i went on to show that they don't, thats why i said can you read. maybe i didn't say it the way you thought i should but the meaning is the same, thank you and have a nice day.
The Unfathomable Wonderment ~ The HOLY TRINITY Taught Correctly.
Only those of the New Church will be able to receive what is the true teaching on the Holy Trinity. Just like 2000 years ago, those of the Israelitish representative Church couldn't receive Jesus as the Messiah,
and neither can those today of the consummated Christian Church receive Him as Christ within the Divine Trinity. What goes around has come around, and the old saying of history proving is maintained again true, men learn nothing from history and therefor are doomed to repeating it. Selah
Now my commissioning to teach on this the Holy Trinity is as follows: The Lord brought me in a dream whereby I lifted up my right hand, and God the Lord' hand descended down unto mine, and the atmospheres between us seemingly compressed and receded into about a 1 1/2 to 2 inch thick disk whose circumference agreed with the size of our opened hands.
And when pressure above and below was made, the disk illumined between us and charged me whereby my mouth did prophesy until breath, my breath, was no more in me, and when I thought to expire, the Breath unto my breath came and fulfilled me, and in the fulfilling I awoke charged with speaking the True. Thank you Lord
The Lord brought this question within me; Why wasn't there any blood and/or body fluids getting on Jesus' garments and others from the wounds in His resurrected Body? Now in consideration of the resurrected glorified body,
and that just three days earlier, Jesus was crucified, putting off of the human structured after the flesh of men assumed in the natural within the womb of the virgin mother Mary's DNA (hereditary evils maternal side). Jesus died. This total submission unto ultimate assumption into all the glory of God, pouring out of His soul, homogeneously uniting to all the Divine of the Father,
making the human thereof begotten from the Beginning, fully and completely, resembled, into the perfect substantials of actualization in ultimates Divine at the end, God-man or Christ. It is for this reason many didn't recognize Jesus after the resurrection. For He was now in apparent glory of God the Father (Primal Soul Divine in ultimate human form), and body wounds healed, not removed.
Note: God is man, and consequently he is God-existing; not existing from himself but in himself. He who has existence in himself is God from whom all things are.
Jehovah God assuming the human in time, whereby the 23 chromosomes (please review youtube video by Ron Wyatt on blood of Christ) within the egg of the virgin mother Mary's womb, were quickened of His Holy Spirit, taking on the flesh of a man, and in full development in agreement with the Divine (consider acceleration due to Divine perfection; 7 months instead of 9), pressed through the matrix and was born into the world, the Divine in human form, Jesus (Salvation).
My friends I believe child birth for the women of the Most Ancients, first church of Adam, were much easier then what women experience today. The reason I believe this is due to their being Celestial men and women, making the physical births less dense.
Now if one factor in the Divine that is Jesus' very soul, that Holy Spirit quickening, being perfect without time in all time, and without space in all spaces, that human form assumed in the egg in the womb of the virgin mother Mary, would have taken on in appearances the gentleness of Her.
This then is in agreement with Isaiah the prophet's description of Jesus as follows:
Isaiah (KJV) 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of Jehovah revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Note: A actual Christ like Christian, cannot convert, and will not revert to Islam. Now a weak minded Christian may revert to Islam, but not convert. Now a Muslim may convert to Christianity, but cannot revert to Christianity. The reason for this order is that being Christ like is the highest degree obtainable unto mankind in Godliness. This holds true not only for the Muslim religion, but for all religions, even Angelkind as well.
6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
Quite actually I believe the birth was done with such tender gentleness, it'd been experienced not unlike that of a menstrual cramp, so protective as to even leaving the hymen intact allowing Mary to remain a virgin.
This is why I am convinced, coupled with the quickening nature of the Holy Spirit mentioned above, that when Joseph consummated the marriage with Mary after Jesus' birth, the evidence appearing would seal forevermore Mary's honor and virtue exemplifying a good women, and a tender and gentle, non embedding, and wondrous Lord God Almighty. amen
So to this day have those Christian Churches who've made three gods through their trinitarian doctrines of divine persons, and faith alone saving, have hardened their hearts in the Spiritual twisting of the meanings fulfilling within the letter of the Gospels to favor mans knowledge over and above the Spirit of God and His Christ, and in so doing have prevented the Lord's Holy Spirit working within their lives and others.
This brings to mind just how analogous is this Christian consummated church age when assessed in parallel with that of the Israelitish representative Church of 2000 years ago, and like them preferred their darkness to the true Light, for their deeds were evil. Selah
There may be some who fancy the idea they would have recognized Jesus 2000 years ago if they'd been of that time. I find this laughable, for today they hear the true of the Holy Spirit, and kill it unto themselves, and in essences are killing Jesus anew, over and over.
However, this state of today's consummated Christian Church I believe is far worse then that of the Israelitish representative Church's killing of the pascal Lamb 2000 years ago, for the killing of the Holy Spirit remains a stain unto the soul in the after life.
Once one puts their Lord together, and comes out of the delusional states of divine persons and faith alone saving heretical doctrines, they then are able through the Spirit of Christ to bridge within the Word of God what afore seemed great mysteries.
For example; Lord Jesus say that the consummation of this Christian Church age would be like unto the days of Noah., Days of Noah?, How in the world does this square considering 2 billion profess to be Christian? Let us see?, 1 billion are Catholic, and 700 million protestants,
now considering their all holding to the divine persons and faith alone saving heresies, and the picture becomes clear in resemblance of the Israelitish representative Church's dilemma of 2000 years ago. Truly what has gone around has come around. And history has once again proven men learn absolutely nothing from history and therefor are doomed to repeating it. Killed Jesus 2000 years ago, and haven't stopped killing him since. Even so, Come Lord Jesus. Amen
For Jesus after the resurrection no longer was in the human order after the flesh of natural men, but in the substantial human order after the Divine of God the Father, Christ Jesus our Lord. Truly this was, is, and forever will be the very unfathomable wonderment of Divine incarnation, transfiguration, and/or transformation ever known unto mankind, being completely, of all its elements, assumed into the Divine of God the Father, glorified Lord above Heaven and earth.
This knowledge of our Lord's very Divine within provides keys by which universal concepts may be unlocked, whereby things afore considered great mysteries, requiring faith hoped for unto new ages to come, are being revealed and made known this day.
My friends it is not by accident, but by Divine Providence, that Spiritual meanings fulfilling within the literal senses of the Word of God are beginning to appear. For they were of old set into motion, great triune locomotion if you will, unto a great harvest to end in this our time. Just consider that by which faith in the past had to suffice to bridge that not fully understood, but hoped for, to obtain unto that greater glory promised unto awakening in Christ likeness as Sons and Daughters,
illumining lights, of our Heavenly Father's Divine Love and Wisdom, being sealed of the blood sacrifice, and sanctified in the Lamb of God, not yet having the knowledges developed from within whereby truths could be supported for greater actualization and retention. However this day, by our Lord's Holy Spirit, having nurtured and developed, and being Divinely merciful, and long-suffering between the tares and wheat over the last 2000 years,
that a peoples have been separating out of this world unto Himself, having the humility and trusting able to receive, retain, and maintain the Word of God present in their hearts and minds. For those who walk upright of heart, let this be unto you a sign of the times. For truly it is in agreement with that sign given by Lord Jesus, for these end times, being that of Jona the prophet, and again unto our beloved Apostle John. Selah
It is these awakened Spiritual beings, enlightened ones, being our new teachers, that the faith of old shall wane to the faith new, where by those things hoped for shall be made known such as: why Jesus' body wasn't present in the sepulcher after the resurrection, how He was able to commune with disciples then vanish from their sight, how He healed those sick in agreement within Divine order, how He was able to cast out demons,
how He was able to subjugate the hells, and put in order the Heavens, and therein doing, establish Salvation for mankind and redeem them forevermore, how He and the Father are one as soul and body in man is one, how He is establishing through His Holy Spirit Angelkind being from mankind; this can only be received by those of the New Church, how He this day provides by His Holy Spirit,
the Holy Testament (HT) which fulfills in the NT which fulfilled in the Testament of Old; making the Word of God complete in a Divine Trinity within the written letter, and for those who may reach; how He will in 2012 age of Aquarius, in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, change us all. The ungodly cast into hell fire, and the Godly quicken within the clouds of Heaven. Even so, come Lord Jesus. Thank you Lord! Amen
Given the choice between life and living, to death and dying, men in and of themselves, choose death dying. This is made most evident when one consider that Lord Jesus, the very incarnate Word of God, the true light unto the world, which lighteth every man who cometh into the world, came unto His own, and they preferred their darkness to that His Light.
And in doing they brought condemnation unto themselves by denying the light unto Salvation. Jesus say; Except ye believe in Me, ye shall die in your sins. Therefor the Lord God must, unbeknown to him; man, gently and tenderly, raise him out of his depravity and awaken him unto Himself, Christ, alive and living.
Jesus say; I am the way, truth, and Life no man cometh unto the Father except by Me. Jesus say; I can do nothing except that which I see my Father doeth. As the Father hath Life in Himself so to has He given the Son to Have Life in Himself. This commandment I AM having of the Father; I AM able to lay down my life and take it again.
Good info by Dr. Morey
atoam 7 hours ago
You know what I dont like about certain so called christians is that they denie certain scriptures when it dont line up with there doctrine. All of God of word is perfect. Prov 30:5 and psalms 19:7
TRUEAPOSTOLICFIRE 1 month ago
the thing that is odd.... is; Assemblies of God. at one time believed exactly as Oneness Pentecostals do. they for some reason fell away from what the bible says. It is a shame they walked away from what they once believed.
myGodis1lord 2 months ago
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-The Son has a beginning: Pro 8.22-30 (God has never been without wisdom). The Son is not the Father, but he is ANOTHER HIMSELF of the ONE that is the Father (a double): Luke 6.12; John 14.9a “I”, “Me”; the Holy Spirit too: Ro 8.27; John 14.16 “OTHER”.
-Le fils a un début: Pro 8.22-30 (Dieu n'a jamais été sans sagesse). Le Fils n'est pas le Père, mais il est UN AUTRE LUI-MÊME de CELUI qui est le Père (double): Luc 6,12; Jn 14.9a "JE", "M'AS"; le Saint-Esprit également: Ro 8,27; Jn 14,16 "AUTRE".
BibleFrW 3 months ago
Because of Rick Perry I never want anything to do with the UPCI.
dallaskenn 4 months ago
@dallaskenn Rick Perry is AoG
takitheterrible 2 months ago
@takitheterrible Really? He seems too unsophisticated for the once-on-fire-now- luke-warm AG.
dallaskenn 2 months ago
Trinity has nothing to do with being a cult. The best definition of a cult today is 'the manipulation and control a pastor or leader of that organization has over its congregants using their interpretation of scripture'. It's all about a pastor manipulating and controlling. A type of brainwashing to gain control. The same can be said of Jim Jones and his 'koolade drinkers'. They would do anything he told them to do. He was a master manipulator.
lkk54935 5 months ago
Jesus is God BUT the truth is YESHUA is ELOHIM AND HE IS ONE.
"We have the mind of Christ" Bible
""We know everything because we are HIS friends" Bible (I am debunking the guest). Jesus was challenged by the JEWS? JESUS IS A JEW!!!!
"My people are dying for lack of knowledge"
brazilian777able 5 months ago
I was atheist still 26, then got saved and started a Baptist church, then a year and a half ago I was introduced to an Apostolic church. Within a month of attending this church I wanted to know more and went to their church camp in Oklahoma. Mr. Benard was THERE teaching what they believe, It was the most amazing experience I ever had. FINALLY someone actually has read (and practices) the Bible!! The hypocrisy of other denominations was one of the reasons I couldn't believe before!
heatherthediva 5 months ago
@heatherthediva SO cool. So many other people are in that boat. We must witness to others the truth of Jesus Christ. :)
TheFieldMajor 4 months ago
@heatherthediva I doubt rather seriously that you were an "atheist", convert.
dallaskenn 2 months ago
In Mark 11:28, Jesus' authenticity is challenged by chief priests with wicked intent. As this video states, the Father (God) gave Him authority AKA His "witness". In John 14:8, Philip asks the same question (seeking proof) with a sincere heart and Jesus says, "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father". Shortly after, Jesus explains the coming of the Holy Ghost. In Acts 2:38 it arrives. "No one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water (baptism) and Spirit (Holy Ghost)" (John 3:5).
SonlightSymphony 5 months ago 2
to speak in other tongues mentioned in Mark simply means they will spread the gospel in other languages. the grammar and context is simple to understand
lunabranwen 5 months ago
acts 2:38-39
JesusismyGod1000 6 months ago
Morey obviously doesn't know what he is talking about (especially at the beginning) about the origin of the church. I believe the Day of Pentecost was the day the Church was founded IN THE BIBLE...sounds like an origin to me...
CloverfieldMonster95 8 months ago
@eflint1, The baptism in Jesus name in Acts were for Jews and Samaritans who were already monotheist who accepted the existence of one God and the Spirit of God but not Jesus. In Acts chap 2 Peter is preachings to Jews only. Read Irenaus against heresies book III CH.XII.
LogosTheos 8 months ago
@LogosTheos...Jesus gave peter the keys to the kingdon of heaven...Peter knew the true revelation of who jesus was thats why jesus gave him the key..thats why he stood up in Acts 2:38...Not only to shoot down your response Acts chapter 10 cornelius was a GENTILE...Verse 44 the holysghost fell on the GENTILES..they spoke with tounges and magnified GOD..Then peter said how can you forbid water..AND commanded them to be baptized in the Name of the LORD....so that goes for you and everyone else.
keichuryu 7 months ago
However, to Trinitarians I say, you need to look at at the baptism in Jesus name issue. If the Apostles indeed invoked Jesus' name in baptism, then why would you NOT want to do the same? And please don't tell me, "it doesn't matter". EVERYTHING matters!!
eflint1 8 months ago
Are we suppose to invoke the name of Christ in baptism? YES! Is water baptism essential? Yes!! But are we REALLY going to put a repentant sinner,who has trusted alone in the finished work of the cross, and has been filled with the Spirit in HELL because a flawed human being uttered the wrong words over them when they were buried with Christ? If you do, then you have ZERO clue what God is declaring about someone when He fills them with the Spirit. (continued)
eflint1 8 months ago
What both camps (Trinity and Oneness) don't seem to get, is that when God baptizes someone with the Holy Ghost, HE ACCEPT THEM !! They are baptized into the body of Christ!! The are SEALED with the Holy Spirit of promise! They are given eternal life!! We ALL see through a glass darkly! We ALL have missed it somewhere! We ALL will stand before God having missed it doctrinally on some point!! But if you have been Spirit baptized, the YOU ARE GOD's !! Get over yourselves!! (continued)
eflint1 8 months ago
There is no real difference between trinity and oneness. Both believe Jesus is God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Oneness is simply pseudo-Trinitarianism. Both preach the God-man doctrine, both preach a man-made dogma. Jesus is not God nor a god. The Apostles preached "Jesus, a MAN APPROVED OF GOD." NO MAN IS GOD and GOD IS NO MAN. The announcer is right, trinity and oneness is splitting hairs. "God in his essence.." religious blahbah
SpeakingTruthinLove 9 months ago
these people are making it sound so hard its not....
Normpercy 9 months ago
The upci is a cult. It isolates its memebers and puts unreasonable burdens upon you. It is so full of itself. most meetings are about self hype and slogans. There is only one God! And you are supposed to put the pastors words on an even level with scripture, as if he is equally to be obeyed as the scripture. If you ever disagree with anything you have a bad spirit. give more pray more fast more attend more sacrifice for this precious denomination. that is all it is, a denominational cult
musicmusing 9 months ago
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The Doctrine of the Trinity is NOT a Christian doctrine. Constantine was NOT a Christian. He worshiped the sun god until his death. The Doctrine of the Trinity dates back to Babylon. Constantine synthesized the Catholic church by bringing together Christianity and the Babylonian Mystery Religions. Peter was NOT the first pope, and he died a martyr in Jerusalem, not in Rome.
weswade 10 months ago
The Doctrine of the Trinity is NOT a Christian doctrine. Constantine was NOT a Christian. He worshiped the sun god until his death. The Doctrine of the Trinity dates back to Babylon. Constantine synthesized the Catholic church by bringing together Christianity and the Babylonian Mystery Religions. Peter was NOT the first pope, and he died a martyr in Jerusalem, not in Rome.
weswade 10 months ago
@weswade well spoken my friend the word Trinity is not in the bible or was it in jesus time it was introduced by constantine instead of saying father son holly ghost he said lets call it the Trinity
Normpercy 9 months ago
@Normpercy That is a lame argument to say the word "Trinity" isn't in the Bible, so the Tinity doesn't exist . That is like saying the word "Bible" isn't in the Bible ( and it's not ), so the Bible doesn't exist.
123itisfree 6 months ago
notice, if you read the Bible, the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible. It does say that out Lord our God is One, Not tree, but One, He is the Father, He is the Son, and He is the Holy Ghost, but in ONE, for example I am a son, husband, father, cousin,ect. but i have a name given to me when i was born. Jesus was given his Name when He was born and He is the Lord our Father, He is the Alpha, Omega, Beginning and the End.
swinny08 10 months ago
mankind has tried for generation after generation to change God's word...but no one can change it...it is what it is..and it changes not...Jesus is God manifest in the flesh..1Timothy 3:16....the word don't change...so many scriptures don't line up with the trinity doctrine...that's what matters what the word says
pathfindergal55 1 year ago
@pathfindergal55 the trinity sure doesn't deny Jesus is God. nor does it deny He was God manifest in the flesh.
musicmusing 1 year ago
the trinity is a lie...Jesus is, was, and is to come the God ..God is not a person as the trinity doctrine states...He is Lord Malachi 3:6, Jesus was made both Lord and Christ Acts 2:36, One Lord one faith, one baptism ephesians 4:5....Jesus was God made flesh...according to scripture..if you an't argue or debate by scripture..you have no argument. the word is for ever settled in heaven and it won't change to justify the trinity or any other false doctrine...
pathfindergal55 1 year ago
virtually no one from 200 A.D. to 1915 met the requirements the upc demands to be saved. that would be a monstrous failure were that the gospel. You know it and I know it. Embarrasing, isn't it? You see, it is about seeking HIM and nothing else, not fulfilling 'requirements' and ritual. you guys are more like catholics than bible christians in that you have ritual to be saved. Faith is all that we need. GRACE is really what you need to understand. peace my friend.
musicmusing 1 year ago
@musicmusing
Where did you get your information?
goomee3d 1 year ago
@goomee3d what information?
musicmusing 1 year ago
They are not demands met to be saved. We are saved by grace. We are in a covenant relationship with Jesus. We are made holy by Jesus. Therefore, we strive live in that holines (seperation) that God has given us. They are not rules or salvation points but the following of Scriptural principles. If you have experienced otherwise at a UPC or Apostolic church, I apologize but that's not the organizations attempt... I assure you. God bless you my friend.
lionelaguilar 11 months ago
@lionelaguilar its the way they are presented. try sitting in a upc church while not following any one of the standards. you will soon feel the heat, and this is why they become more than personal convictions, they are many times someone elses forced upon everyone
musicmusing 11 months ago
@musicmusing if that's what you've experienced at a upc church that's ashame and I apologize. David K Bernard was my pastor for over 9 years and he is now the leader of the organization as general superintendent. I asure you he is a sincere Christian servant in following and teaching God's word. The UPC's stance on liviing a life of holiness (including external) is based off of a covenant relationship with God, standing on the principals of His Word.
lionelaguilar 11 months ago
@lionelaguilar granted Bernard is a little more moderate and balanced, yet he still holds to all the false doctrines the upc holds. Being polite doesn't make it right
musicmusing 10 months ago
@lionelaguilar There are many sincere UPCI members. Many 'good' people who follow the organization. I do not doubt that. But they are decieved by manipulation and control. Manipulation through many years of hearing 'interpretation of scriptures' . Look up the true definition of what a cult is. The UPCI is an excellent example of a cult. They coax their people to dress a certain way, pray a certain way, attend services, etc. The clicker is: They do not realize they are manipulating.
lkk54935 5 months ago
@lkk54935 I agree. It is sad. There are many in the upc who want to leave, who know this can't be the way God intended, yet it is soo hard to leave. They make you feel you will most definitely go to hell if you leave. Wow. if you feel it is an unhealthy place for you ,and your family, you have an OBLIGATION to leave. You have to begin to exercise faith in God, trust in God, which really is the opposite of living for every word the pastor says. Leave, people, God WILL lead you
musicmusing 5 months ago
@musicmusing ... Actually I go to an apostolic church and I have a choice to leave if I want to. I have never heard my pastor make anyone feel that they are going to go to hell for Leaving.... I would wish that people wouldnt blanket the whole apostolic church for their disgruntled opinion or experience....
myGodis1lord 2 months ago
@myGodis1lord let me ask you then. If you left to go to a baqptist church would they say you are lost?
musicmusing 2 months ago
@musicmusing ... I dont know cuz i have never left and dont intend to. Im sure they would say it is a shame that i left what the bible says, and knowing the people in my church they would pray for me, just as i would do for another... dont misunderstand my comment to bash, that was not an intention, however they have left and let their standards down, and that is fact... how they choose to believe is between them and God.
myGodis1lord 2 months ago
@myGodis1lord the upc has no scholars, no agreement with what almost every scholar has ever taught, yet they are right? and all of Christianity throughout history are lost? you parrot the same lines I always hear . I was there for 10 years. study. study. not Bernard. the bible. think for yourself. study. the bible. study. the bible. discuss things with others who also have left. they can tell you why you are so wrong yet probably sincere. watch oneness/trinity debates
musicmusing 2 months ago
Respond to this video... ... Let me get this straight. Since a church wants to teach and preach all the apostles did they are called a cult and fanatical people. Well if that is the case i wanna believe as they did and do what they did and live a life seperate like they did. Sign me up... Easy Believism has slipped the current church age a mickey and have tricked them to fornicate with lies that satan has whispered into their ears. turning to fables and itching ears.
myGodis1lord 2 months ago
@lkk54935 I believe most upc people wish they had never heard of this place. You have to tell yourself- God probably has a better way. Can you trust God to help you no matter how hard it is to leave? Yes you can! Put your head down, listen not to people who will dissuade you in leaving. Put God above all else. There are so many balanced, healthy churches where people actually love you because Christ loves them and grace is in their heart. Do not fear man or his opinion, GOD desires good for you
musicmusing 5 months ago
@musicmusing ... wow, welllllllllllllllllllll, what was Jesus out of his mind when he said you needed water and Spirit baptism to see and enter the kingdom of heaven, i mean you CANNOT see or enter unless you are born of water and Spirit, seems like Jesus had something to say there, cuz if you love him you will obey him they are not it they are part of it.
myGodis1lord 2 months ago
@myGodis1lord the upc is not the first to tackle these scriptures. there are views that make much more sense than the upc. however you must do diligence and study what others think and why. especially those who have left because they understand the specific issues. not all leave for the wrong reasons. i left fully convinced the upc is so wrong and unhealthy. but when you go 5 times a week it is hard to consider things for yourself. it is actually brainwashing no offense but it is true
musicmusing 2 months ago
@musicmusing watch A Call To Holiness' video Why I Left Pentecostalism. Don't be afraid to consider the issues. Also he has a video Oneness P entecostalism Destroyed. I know the title sounds negative but if you watch the whole video you will at least know FROM THE SCRIPTURES why many have left and are closer to God than when they were in the upc. Thanks my friend, I really wish you peace and grace in our Lord.
musicmusing 2 months ago
light, moderate, even move of God: these are mans terms and mans thinking. If one has Christ as the light of ones life, this is the power of God. not a bunch of noise
musicmusing 1 year ago
a sad aspect of life in the upc is you are constantly defending your doctrines with debating and posturing, with slogans and the same barrage of tired expressions. You never really move into the glorious peace and happiness that you should experience as a Christian. Knowing you have been redeemed, and are safe in the saviors arms. There is no fear, no dread of losing your savior. He is mine and I am His. I have passed from death to life, how precious is my Lord! Love casts out fear! Praise God!
musicmusing 1 year ago
the gospel speaks of the cross, the good news; Christ died on the cross, taking our sin upon Himself, as the sacrifice for our sin. it is all about Him, looking to him and what He has done to atone for our sin. it is not about WHAT WE MUST DO TO BE SAVED, it is about the gift of salvation, by grace thru faith, that we recieve this precious gift. NOT OF OURSELVES, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. He is the savior, not us or our actions to 'be saved'. I really believe this after being upc for years.
musicmusing 1 year ago
also, to believe all the Christians over the centuries who truly lived for God and put all their faith in the work of the cross, to believe they are lost is just insanity and really disregards Gods ability to save those who did turn to Him. i mean, really, if this doesn't trouble you you need to ponder the efficacy of the gospel . the gates of hell will not prevail , even throughout the centuries. In the upc view, virtually ALL believers were lost before 1915. I don't believe you believe this
musicmusing 1 year ago
GOD IS OMNIPRESENT!! SIMULTANEOUSLY.. THERE IS NOTHING IMPOSSIBLE IN GOD!! so?? whats with the questions guys?? HE CAN DO ANYTHING! HE CAN BE THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY GHOST!! SO THESE THREE ARE ONE!! VERY Simple!!!!!
gemmaLyn07 1 year ago 2
Jesus Christ is The Eternal Son of God..One can not be a Father without having a Son.Our God has always and will always be Triune in his Nature,One Eternal God Manifested in Three Persons Namely,The Father,The Son,& The Holy Ghost and these three are One God...Jesus prayed to his Father showing us that they are distinct in Person but are One in Deity!Jesus said I and my Father are One!John10:30 That means one in Unity,purpose,will,and deity,but distinct as to person....
Watkins271 1 year ago
@Watkins271 You say "namely" but in that sentence only state titles. What is the name of God?
rainmakerjgc 1 year ago
@watkins271 The name of God for which Jesus commanded we as believers be baptiized into is The Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit..
shieldsff 1 year ago
@shieldsff Jesus said "Baptizing them in the NAME" Singular. I'm a father, a son, and I have a spirit none are my name. They are just titles or references to what I am not who I am. So What is THE NAME of God? John 5:43, John 10:25, Hebrews 1:4 can you inherit something the one you inherit from does not already poses? You think that God in his infinite Wisdom would give the key to the kingdom to one who would get it wrong? Would not one of the others have spoken up if he did? Read Acts2:1-42
rainmakerjgc 1 year ago
@rainmakerjgc The only distinction made was between the flesh and the spirit! Just as your body is just a covering for the real you, your spirit the flesh or physical body of Jesus was the cloak of the Almighty God. John 1 He did this so that he could walk with man and relate to our pain, struggles, temptation and sin, yet without sin because God cannot sin.
rainmakerjgc 1 year ago
@rainmakerjgc so do you believe the gospel failed and 99 % of those who turn to Christ for salvation are lost because of a formula? Or the 'truth' is so cryptic it was lost for 2000 years?
musicmusing 1 year ago 2
@musicmusing The gospel cannot fail. 100% of the people that turn to God in the way that the scriptures say are saved. It is up to the individual to decide it they will follow all the scriptures or only the ones that make them feel good about the decisions they are willing to make. The Truth is not cryptic and has never been lost . People have been following the Plan as laid out by the Apostles for the last 2000 years. Study history. Who do you think were burned at the stake as heretics?
rainmakerjgc 1 year ago
@rainmakerjgc That is an unscriptural view of the body, so it is an unscriptural view of Jesus!
The body is to be redeemed and is just a much a part of us and a part of the plan of salvation as our spirit/soul.
God was not "cloaked" in the Incarnation, He was manifested to men in the manner He chose!
callofchrist 1 year ago
Irmãos, nós aqui no Brasil, sofremos muito por causa do Nome de Jesus. Aqui os trinitarianos são maioria, mas, Jesus tem nos dado Graças e temos vencido o inimigo. Jesus é e sempre será um único Deus!
machadok30 1 year ago
this isnt bad at all. the trinity is a man created thing and it does not exist in the bible i dont know where people got that from, that there are three distinct persons and they are god but they are not each other. do the maths if they are different there are 3 Gods
lorbey1 1 year ago
Jesus is the only way! I KNOW WHAT I EXPERIENCED & NO ONE CAN TELL ME OTHERWISE. I am a mother, sister, aunt, wife but I only have one name!
JESUSISREAL78 1 year ago
@JESUSISREAL78 I came out of UPCI. You have let Religion blind you from seeking the truth. I used all the same talking points just like this. Also, you cannot say that the only way to be saved is to repent, be baptized in Jesus name and infiling of Holy Spirit with speaking in tounges. In Acts 2:38 those folk were already saved. baptism and speaking in tounges is an outward expression of a believer. it is not unto salvation. otherwise that would be works and is not able to save or santify one.
heavyman25 1 year ago 2
@heavyman25 I also left. There is so much of the Lord that is not shared in the upc. You are taught fear and anxiety rather than love and peace. You cannot truly be a Christian if you always doubt your own salvation! He has come to bring glad tidings, to give rest to the weary, to say do not be troubled, be not anxious, you have passed from death to life. He saves to the uttermost. You can trust Him. You can have peace that passes all understanding. It's not about us , it's about Him.
musicmusing 1 year ago
yes, true but I think you are missing the source of the discord. The problem is that the UPC "oneness" sect holds that believers in the Godhead and the complexity of God and those who have not been baptized in the "name" of Jesus are not truly saved and redeemed for eternity by Jesus. It is because of this assertion and the willful rejection of salvation by faith solely that this sect is a CULT.
shieldsff 1 year ago
@shieldsff Salvation by faith solely is willful rejection of salvation. The Bible is a covenant between God and man. Old Testament = Old Covenant, New Testament = New Covenant .You have to read the whole New Covenant that God made with man. James 2:26, John 3:3-7, Acts are in direct conflict with your doctrine of salvation by faith solely. Once saved always saved is also contrary to the word of God. If you are honest, pray for God's understanding and read your Bible you will see Truth.
rainmakerjgc 1 year ago
@rainmakerjgc - yes, thanks for confirming your position and as I stated below, it is this erroneous position (in conjunction with several other points) which defines your sect as a cult in the view of traditional, biblical Christianity.
shieldsff 1 year ago
@shieldsff You are correct...partially. UPCI is a cult in the "view" of traditional Christianity just a Jesus was the leader of a cult according to the 'view" of traditional religious leaders 2,000 years ago. When you are talking about Biblical Christianity you are incorrect, just as the religious "elite" were dead wrong about Christ. As I said before pray for understanding when you read your bible. Don't try to make it fit what you were told. Philippians 2:12, Colossians 2:8-9, Acts 2:37-42
rainmakerjgc 1 year ago
@musicmusing I am sorry your experience was like that. God is not the author of fear and any pastor who uses fear or (iron fist) is not being led of God. My grandfather and my pastors taught love. When the Bible talks about the Fear of God it is talking about reverence and respect, not fright. I grew up in UPCI and my experience was the opposite of yours. I am unaffiliated only because I will go to any church that is in God's will and teaches the truth no matter the affiliation or lack thereof.
rainmakerjgc 1 year ago
@rainmakerjgc there may be some moderate upc churches but the 5 I went to over the years all focused on the same things- be a yes man, give more money and time( it is never enough), feel more guilt and condemnation( there is always more you can do), put the church way above family, etc. it will always be an unhealthy denomination as it is rooted in pride (we are the TRUE believers who have the 'truth'. Jesus Christ is the truth and -period. People need Christ . No other 'truth' required
musicmusing 1 year ago
@musicmusing The things your brought up are a different subject than if a church is moderate. Some of what you mentioned are things that the apostle Paul warned about. I do not go to nor do I subscribe to a church that practices a moderate/light Pentecost. Pentecostal refers to the doctrine of the apostles that was laid out in Acts though Jude. With a moderate/light Pentecost you have light moves of God. With extreme Pentecost you have extreme moves of God. Which do you prefer? Galatians 1:8-9
rainmakerjgc 1 year ago
@heavyman25 Faith without works is DEAD! James 2:26 and if you really believe that then what about John 3:3-6? That disproves your statement that they are just and outward expression. No organization UPCI or otherwise will save you. On the Plan of salvation they are correct. If you can read your bible and not see that then you have blinded yourself. I am not affiliated with an organization but I believe the Acts 2 message and all the scriptures before and after that back it up.
rainmakerjgc 1 year ago
No we r not a cult.
69boomersooner 1 year ago
David Bernard has the biblical Jesus. Of course David doesn't have the nicene or trinitarian Jesus 'cos that's the pagan version. The trinity is false doctrine. Jesus is the Father, God the Father became his own Son. God can't be known except by the Spirit of God.
RinnEgade 1 year ago
Yes of course we boldly admit that we go against "Orthodox Christianity". Are we supposed to continue to believe whats wrong simply because thats the way its always been done? You couldn't possibly understand the oneness of God without the Holy Ghost. Your eyes will not be opened, and neither will your understanding. (This is directed toward Mr. Morey)
michaelnole 1 year ago
ISA 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
michaelnole 1 year ago
REV. 4:2 and immediately i was in the spirit; and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.-- and HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST!!!
UPCQueBicD 1 year ago
@UPCQueBicD You must have listened to the "One God" Song by CLC.. Great song!
michaelnole 1 year ago
Thanks for the Truth i appreciate it so much Jesus never said he was a Trinity it was made up by the Roman Catholic church and i Wish the Trinity people would see this all they seem to do is like to aruge and have debates with you i have family who are Trinity so you or anyone know how hard it is to talk to them.
tinkerbell62 1 year ago
Son, Father and Ghost are not three but one.
Son god(God man), Father god(creator) and ghost god are three Gods?
Mary, a virgin, An angel visited her and explained to her that she would conceive a son by the power of the Holy Spirit(god). She would carry and give birth to this child(god) and she would name him Jesus(god).
OccultTruth 1 year ago
@OccultTruth ..you already mentioned Son God, Father God, and Ghost God, it means three Gods. The Bible clearly teached that there is only One God (Deut 6:4) Isa 44:6 Isa 44:8 Isa 44:24 and many more to mention. Please read and Understand the Virgin Birth Mat 1: 21 - 23.. if you still dont understand Read 1 Tim 3:16...and there is no need of Debate....
litobayonito 1 year ago
@litobayonito I am not trying to be ugly, but this stuff of oneness people saying that Trinitarians believe that there are 3 gods is not only rediculous but it is a scare tactic. The big problem that I have with oneness is simply this. To uphold this doctrine you have to deny that Jesus has always existed as the Son of God. You have to say that he did not come into being as the Son of God until his birth. This is totally false. cont-
jwednall 1 year ago
@jwednall ..I appreciate your comments. Trinitarians belief in One God But in three persons cannot deny that these 3 persons are Gods. We cannot read that the Bible teached that there are 3 Gods. God is only One. Oneness believers are not denying the existence of the Son. It is in the scriptures ( Mat 1:21-23) ( Gal 4:4). The Bible Plainly teaches that One God was manifested as The Son (Flesh) in only One Person (Not 3 Persons) Jesus.( Isa 7:14) (Isa 9:6)(1 Tim 3:16) Please study and read..
litobayonito 1 year ago
@litobayonito - thats not so. I do have to be honest and say that I don't completely comprehend the Trinity. Having said that, I believe that scripture teaches it. The way that I understand it is that there is one God being that is God, but 3 persons make up the 1 being who is God. These 3 persons are not Gods but God. When I say that oneness denies the existence of the Son, I mean that they are denying that he existed in eternity past. He was just a plan. Correct me please if I am wrong.
jwednall 1 year ago
@jwednall .dear friend sorry for the late reply. You are right that the son is in the mind, plan of God. We cannot read in our Bible that the son is eternal. The son is Begotten not eternal, the son has its beggining...3 persons to make up the Godhead is a wrong doctrine.. why... allow me to ask these questions... was the 1st person God? was the 2nd person God.? was the 3rd person God..obviously you will say yes for sure...so it means that 1+1+1= is it 1 God or 3 Gods.....we knew how to count...
litobayonito 1 year ago
@litobayonito the son did not have a beginning. He is the beginning. The scriptures tell us that by him and through him were all things made. Jesus asked his father in John 17:5 to glorify him with the same glory that he had when he was with before the world was. John 1 tells that in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the was God. I am not reading anything into my bible my friend. That is what it says.
jwednall 1 year ago
@litobayonito As for you being able to count. I never said that you couldn't. I just do not think that your understanding of the Godhead is correct. I would like to remind you of 1John 5:7- For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Please explain to me what these 3 are 1 mean?
jwednall 1 year ago
@jwednall thanks for allowing me to explain: this verse of scripture is often used by those who believe in three persons of God, it actually refutes this view, for it says that "these three are one" Some interpret this phrase to mean one in unity as a man and wife are one. If the word "one" referred to unity, instead of a numerical designation, then the godhead can be viewed as many Gods which the bible doesnt teach. In a united council or Government, If unity were meant, the verse should -con-
litobayonito 1 year ago
@jwednall ...have read " these three agree as one" It is also interesting to note that this verse does not use the word "son" but "word" If son were the special name of a separate person in the Godhead, and if this verse were trying to teach separate persons, why did it use the "word" instead of the "Son"? Son does not refer primarily to deity but the "word" does. The Word is not a separate person from the father any more than a his word are separate persons, rather, the Word is the thought-con
litobayonito 1 year ago
@jwednall ...or the plan in the mind of One God. It means to say that 1 Jhn 5:7 does not teached a three separate persons in the Godhead.
litobayonito 1 year ago
@litobayonito Then please explain to me, if the Godhead is made up of 1 person that just manifests himself in these 3 ways, then how and why are these 3 manifestations bearing record in heaven? Is God manifested as Jehovah for a minute, then Jesus for a little while, then the Holy Spirit, for a little while?
jwednall 1 year ago
@jwednall ..again I will explain, this is how and why these 3 manifestations bear record in heaven. God is Jehovah (Exo 6:) Jesus (Son) for the purpose of Redemption, the Holy spirit for regeneration. as an additional explanation about 1 jhn 5:7. You are right that One God was manifest himself in 3 ways..let me explain. The Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit is not a separate person from the Father any more than a man and his spirit are separate persons. Holy Spirit Just describes what God Is. -cont-
litobayonito 1 year ago
@jwednall ..1 Jhn 5:7 says that three bear record in heaven; that is, God has recorded himself in three modes of activity or has revealed himself in 3 ways. He has at least 3 heavenly roles: Father, Word (not son), and Holy Ghost. Furthermore these 3 roles describe One God: "these three are One"
litobayonito 1 year ago
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@litobayonito" He has at least 3 heavenly roles: Father, Word (not son), and Holy Ghost" John 1:1-3:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. This passage is clearly speaking of Jesus. The Son.
jwednall 1 year ago
@litobayonito Im not disagreeing wtih you, just making a correction. I am Apostolic BTW.. You were talking about the 3 roles being one, and you stated: Father, Word (not son)... John 1:14 corrects that.
michaelnole 1 year ago
@michaelnole ,,sir Im very thankful that you have corrected my comments,,It is Right that John 1:14 says,,"and the word was made Flesh,," but what what Im saying about 1 john 5:7-(since trinitarian believers quoting this verse as 3 persons in One God ),,"why the verse uses The Word and not the Son,,.Pls dont mis-interpret me,,If the Son were the special name of a separate person in The Godhead, and if this verse were trying to teach a separate persons,, why did it use "Word" instead of "Son"?,,
litobayonito 1 year ago
@michaelnole ..cont....Son does not refer primarily to deity, but the "Word" does,, Am I correct this way... Im just trying to explain that they Mis understood the meaning of 1 John 5:7,, This verse is not refering to three persons in One God...
litobayonito 1 year ago
@litobayonito Very true. I see what you are saying. I use John 1:1 and John 1:14 to prove my point to a lot of Trinitarians. Thanks for explaining. God bless
michaelnole 1 year ago
@michaelnole Pentecostals are very dangerous, deceiving, and is setting the world up for the anti-christ, Jesus only, or Trinitarians are of the anti-christ. God reveals himself as three distinct beings and all excist at the same time!
eptx1983 1 year ago
@eptx1983 Do you realize that Jesus only, and Trinitarian are completely opposite of each other? And besides.. Im not Jesus only, Im Jesus EVERYTHING. Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. These three are one.
michaelnole 1 year ago 12
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@michaelnole Yes but I was reffering to the Jesus only, and trinitarian pentecostals. My emphasis was on pentecostals altogether. Jesus is not the Father, nor the Holy Spirit. "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1John 5:7
eptx1983 1 year ago
@eptx1983 where did you get these distinct persons from
lorbey1 1 year ago
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jwednall 1 year ago
@litobayonito It is false because of John 17:5-And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Jesus is asking his father to glorify him with the same glory that he had when he was with him before the world began. To believe in oneness as I have heard it taught is to deny that Jesus has always existed as the Son. That is like saying God has not always existed if in fact Jesus is God which he is.
jwednall 1 year ago
@jwednall .. as I have discussed to my previous post dear friend, God existed in eternity for he is the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all things in it.. You are right that Jesus was God, But God was not always manifested as Jesus ( Son). John 17:5 it is true that Jesus Said" glorify thou me with thine ownself with the glory which I Had with thee before the world was...It is because that he is the Only One God of the old Testament that was manifested in the flesh. Read (Isa 42:8)
litobayonito 1 year ago
@litobayonito I agree with you on that point, he is the God of the OT. That still does not answer how Jesus(Son) was with the Father before the world was. I am not trying to read things into the scriptures, but the Trinity is clearly established several times. Paul wrote several times about giving thanks to God the father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Why would he say this? If Jesus is the only one in heaven why not just give thanks to Jesus?
jwednall 1 year ago
@jwednall ..my friend,, Go deeper and search for the truth...be prayerful,,,why? Wisdom and Knowledge about Oneness of God could not be understood through human interpratations but by Divine Revelation of the Holy Ghost (Mat 16:15-17). I just want to be honest with you.. Yes Paul mentions in his greetings in his epistles about Jesus, the Father, God our Father, But I want to ask you one question? Did Paul taught or mentions that these were three separate persons. Dont forget that Paul is a -con
litobayonito 1 year ago
@jwednall ...Parissee. and being a Parisee he was thought and learned about the Book of Moses that there is only One God. Please Read Acts 8: about the conversion of Paul..
litobayonito 1 year ago
I can't believe you all argue over this foolishness. Following a bunch of different scriptures that contradict each other allows you all to cherry pick what you want to believe while breeding hate at the same time. Enjoy your pathetic lives.
ialott01 1 year ago
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wonone100 1 year ago
you oneness pentecostals are heretics, and are full of shit,
reformedbro1 1 year ago
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wonone100 1 year ago
@wonone100 im not gonna even comment! that is stupid
reformedbro1 1 year ago
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wonone100 1 year ago
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wonone100 1 year ago
@wonone100 is blinded by the satanic religion of oneness
reformedbro1 1 year ago
@wonone100 are you serious in this comment this is about the dumbest comment I have ever heard.
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wonone100 1 year ago
The biggest problem that UPCI has is its "Pastors". These guys have let women become "Elders and Pastors". There are in direct rebellion to the Word of God. This is the same as witchcraft. It is so bad that they don't even allow men to have beards. I do hope that they repent while there is yet time.
thechessstick 1 year ago
There is ONE God! Scripture clearly says He came into the world through Mary and His is Jesus, the Christ. Jesus ascended back into Heaven and is coming again to rapture His church!
agarcon 1 year ago
this is confusing! whose defending what??
kute1livn4jc 1 year ago
U think upc doesn't follow orig Christianity, i hope U R catholic, b/c trinitarians come from catholics & wouldn't that mean that trinitarians are following a newer form of Christianity, so thats heresy.protestants are to catholics as upc is to protestants. their is only 1verse to back U up mt 28:19,but Jesus is the father,son,&the Holy Ghost.we have many verses mt 28:19 acts 2:38,john 1,john 3 verse 8 is talking clearly about the HG i could take U to acts all where baptized in Jesus name
yvonnetompkins 1 year ago
@yvonnetompkins Matthew 28:19 doesn't actually back up the Trinitarians. The verse reads: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Notice the scripture reads "name" which is singular. The "name" is Jesus. If it said "names" that'd be different. So really, they dont have much...
michaelnole 1 year ago
@michaelnole hello can you read thats what i was saying.
yvonnetompkins 1 year ago
@yvonnetompkins No reason to be rude. I am Apostolic, and was just saying the trinity doesn't have much backing. You said all they have is Matt 28:19, but they dont. Dont get so offended so easily. I agree with your beliefs...
michaelnole 1 year ago
@michaelnole ok i said all they have is matt 28:19 and then i went on to show that they don't, thats why i said can you read. maybe i didn't say it the way you thought i should but the meaning is the same, thank you and have a nice day.
yvonnetompkins 1 year ago
The Unfathomable Wonderment ~ The HOLY TRINITY Taught Correctly.
Only those of the New Church will be able to receive what is the true teaching on the Holy Trinity. Just like 2000 years ago, those of the Israelitish representative Church couldn't receive Jesus as the Messiah,
sljc1921 1 year ago
and neither can those today of the consummated Christian Church receive Him as Christ within the Divine Trinity. What goes around has come around, and the old saying of history proving is maintained again true, men learn nothing from history and therefor are doomed to repeating it. Selah
sljc1921 1 year ago
Now my commissioning to teach on this the Holy Trinity is as follows: The Lord brought me in a dream whereby I lifted up my right hand, and God the Lord' hand descended down unto mine, and the atmospheres between us seemingly compressed and receded into about a 1 1/2 to 2 inch thick disk whose circumference agreed with the size of our opened hands.
sljc1921 1 year ago
And when pressure above and below was made, the disk illumined between us and charged me whereby my mouth did prophesy until breath, my breath, was no more in me, and when I thought to expire, the Breath unto my breath came and fulfilled me, and in the fulfilling I awoke charged with speaking the True. Thank you Lord
sljc1921 1 year ago
The Lord brought this question within me; Why wasn't there any blood and/or body fluids getting on Jesus' garments and others from the wounds in His resurrected Body? Now in consideration of the resurrected glorified body,
sljc1921 1 year ago
and that just three days earlier, Jesus was crucified, putting off of the human structured after the flesh of men assumed in the natural within the womb of the virgin mother Mary's DNA (hereditary evils maternal side). Jesus died. This total submission unto ultimate assumption into all the glory of God, pouring out of His soul, homogeneously uniting to all the Divine of the Father,
sljc1921 1 year ago
making the human thereof begotten from the Beginning, fully and completely, resembled, into the perfect substantials of actualization in ultimates Divine at the end, God-man or Christ. It is for this reason many didn't recognize Jesus after the resurrection. For He was now in apparent glory of God the Father (Primal Soul Divine in ultimate human form), and body wounds healed, not removed.
sljc1921 1 year ago
Note: God is man, and consequently he is God-existing; not existing from himself but in himself. He who has existence in himself is God from whom all things are.
sljc1921 1 year ago
Jehovah God assuming the human in time, whereby the 23 chromosomes (please review youtube video by Ron Wyatt on blood of Christ) within the egg of the virgin mother Mary's womb, were quickened of His Holy Spirit, taking on the flesh of a man, and in full development in agreement with the Divine (consider acceleration due to Divine perfection; 7 months instead of 9), pressed through the matrix and was born into the world, the Divine in human form, Jesus (Salvation).
sljc1921 1 year ago
My friends I believe child birth for the women of the Most Ancients, first church of Adam, were much easier then what women experience today. The reason I believe this is due to their being Celestial men and women, making the physical births less dense.
sljc1921 1 year ago
Now if one factor in the Divine that is Jesus' very soul, that Holy Spirit quickening, being perfect without time in all time, and without space in all spaces, that human form assumed in the egg in the womb of the virgin mother Mary, would have taken on in appearances the gentleness of Her.
sljc1921 1 year ago
This then is in agreement with Isaiah the prophet's description of Jesus as follows:
Isaiah (KJV) 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of Jehovah revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
sljc1921 1 year ago
Note: A actual Christ like Christian, cannot convert, and will not revert to Islam. Now a weak minded Christian may revert to Islam, but not convert. Now a Muslim may convert to Christianity, but cannot revert to Christianity. The reason for this order is that being Christ like is the highest degree obtainable unto mankind in Godliness. This holds true not only for the Muslim religion, but for all religions, even Angelkind as well.
sljc1921 1 year ago
This is also why I believe many movies depicting Jesus' birth as being great pain to the virgin mother Mary are doing so in grave error.
sljc1921 1 year ago
For we read in Isaiah the Prophet (KJV) 66:
6 A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies.
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
sljc1921 1 year ago
Quite actually I believe the birth was done with such tender gentleness, it'd been experienced not unlike that of a menstrual cramp, so protective as to even leaving the hymen intact allowing Mary to remain a virgin.
sljc1921 1 year ago
This is why I am convinced, coupled with the quickening nature of the Holy Spirit mentioned above, that when Joseph consummated the marriage with Mary after Jesus' birth, the evidence appearing would seal forevermore Mary's honor and virtue exemplifying a good women, and a tender and gentle, non embedding, and wondrous Lord God Almighty. amen
sljc1921 1 year ago
Note: As the Israelitish representative Church hardened their hearts in the letter of the law 2000 years ago, and killed Jesus.
sljc1921 1 year ago
So to this day have those Christian Churches who've made three gods through their trinitarian doctrines of divine persons, and faith alone saving, have hardened their hearts in the Spiritual twisting of the meanings fulfilling within the letter of the Gospels to favor mans knowledge over and above the Spirit of God and His Christ, and in so doing have prevented the Lord's Holy Spirit working within their lives and others.
sljc1921 1 year ago
This brings to mind just how analogous is this Christian consummated church age when assessed in parallel with that of the Israelitish representative Church of 2000 years ago, and like them preferred their darkness to the true Light, for their deeds were evil. Selah
sljc1921 1 year ago
There may be some who fancy the idea they would have recognized Jesus 2000 years ago if they'd been of that time. I find this laughable, for today they hear the true of the Holy Spirit, and kill it unto themselves, and in essences are killing Jesus anew, over and over.
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However, this state of today's consummated Christian Church I believe is far worse then that of the Israelitish representative Church's killing of the pascal Lamb 2000 years ago, for the killing of the Holy Spirit remains a stain unto the soul in the after life.
sljc1921 1 year ago
Once one puts their Lord together, and comes out of the delusional states of divine persons and faith alone saving heretical doctrines, they then are able through the Spirit of Christ to bridge within the Word of God what afore seemed great mysteries.
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For example; Lord Jesus say that the consummation of this Christian Church age would be like unto the days of Noah., Days of Noah?, How in the world does this square considering 2 billion profess to be Christian? Let us see?, 1 billion are Catholic, and 700 million protestants,
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now considering their all holding to the divine persons and faith alone saving heresies, and the picture becomes clear in resemblance of the Israelitish representative Church's dilemma of 2000 years ago. Truly what has gone around has come around. And history has once again proven men learn absolutely nothing from history and therefor are doomed to repeating it. Killed Jesus 2000 years ago, and haven't stopped killing him since. Even so, Come Lord Jesus. Amen
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For Jesus after the resurrection no longer was in the human order after the flesh of natural men, but in the substantial human order after the Divine of God the Father, Christ Jesus our Lord. Truly this was, is, and forever will be the very unfathomable wonderment of Divine incarnation, transfiguration, and/or transformation ever known unto mankind, being completely, of all its elements, assumed into the Divine of God the Father, glorified Lord above Heaven and earth.
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This is made evident in 2 Cor. 5:15-17 (KJV) Apostle Paul say;
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
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This knowledge of our Lord's very Divine within provides keys by which universal concepts may be unlocked, whereby things afore considered great mysteries, requiring faith hoped for unto new ages to come, are being revealed and made known this day.
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My friends it is not by accident, but by Divine Providence, that Spiritual meanings fulfilling within the literal senses of the Word of God are beginning to appear. For they were of old set into motion, great triune locomotion if you will, unto a great harvest to end in this our time. Just consider that by which faith in the past had to suffice to bridge that not fully understood, but hoped for, to obtain unto that greater glory promised unto awakening in Christ likeness as Sons and Daughters,
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illumining lights, of our Heavenly Father's Divine Love and Wisdom, being sealed of the blood sacrifice, and sanctified in the Lamb of God, not yet having the knowledges developed from within whereby truths could be supported for greater actualization and retention. However this day, by our Lord's Holy Spirit, having nurtured and developed, and being Divinely merciful, and long-suffering between the tares and wheat over the last 2000 years,
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that a peoples have been separating out of this world unto Himself, having the humility and trusting able to receive, retain, and maintain the Word of God present in their hearts and minds. For those who walk upright of heart, let this be unto you a sign of the times. For truly it is in agreement with that sign given by Lord Jesus, for these end times, being that of Jona the prophet, and again unto our beloved Apostle John. Selah
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It is these awakened Spiritual beings, enlightened ones, being our new teachers, that the faith of old shall wane to the faith new, where by those things hoped for shall be made known such as: why Jesus' body wasn't present in the sepulcher after the resurrection, how He was able to commune with disciples then vanish from their sight, how He healed those sick in agreement within Divine order, how He was able to cast out demons,
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how He was able to subjugate the hells, and put in order the Heavens, and therein doing, establish Salvation for mankind and redeem them forevermore, how He and the Father are one as soul and body in man is one, how He is establishing through His Holy Spirit Angelkind being from mankind; this can only be received by those of the New Church, how He this day provides by His Holy Spirit,
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the Holy Testament (HT) which fulfills in the NT which fulfilled in the Testament of Old; making the Word of God complete in a Divine Trinity within the written letter, and for those who may reach; how He will in 2012 age of Aquarius, in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, change us all. The ungodly cast into hell fire, and the Godly quicken within the clouds of Heaven. Even so, come Lord Jesus. Thank you Lord! Amen
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Given the choice between life and living, to death and dying, men in and of themselves, choose death dying. This is made most evident when one consider that Lord Jesus, the very incarnate Word of God, the true light unto the world, which lighteth every man who cometh into the world, came unto His own, and they preferred their darkness to that His Light.
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And in doing they brought condemnation unto themselves by denying the light unto Salvation. Jesus say; Except ye believe in Me, ye shall die in your sins. Therefor the Lord God must, unbeknown to him; man, gently and tenderly, raise him out of his depravity and awaken him unto Himself, Christ, alive and living.
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Jesus say; I am the way, truth, and Life no man cometh unto the Father except by Me. Jesus say; I can do nothing except that which I see my Father doeth. As the Father hath Life in Himself so to has He given the Son to Have Life in Himself. This commandment I AM having of the Father; I AM able to lay down my life and take it again.
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