@insanedrummer1572 I would say just try and make sure you're constantly warping in units, and make sure you catch the forward pylon before his first warp in otherwise you found it to late, and make sure you are dropping down your 3rd gateway and your robo when Artosis does (or around then) and honestly above all else just make sure you're constantly warping in units when available, looking at the video he didn't really miss a warp in, also don't forget to chrono boost the Immortal :)
@n4gauge then congratulations, you didn't die. now you transition. this build is old, back when all pvp games ended before the 7min mark because of 4gate. now you can just make a sentry and be fine.
Just looking for some advice here: In lower leagues might it be advisable to get out a second immortal, on the chance that they continue to mass stalkers in order to do a big push after you deny the rush?
@VIsupIV The 4 warpgate rush is still a viable strategy, but since warpgate research got nerfed a bit, the time where you used to send out 1 zealot, 1 stalker and a probe is going to be different. Now you can make more units out of your gateways before warpgate is finished. This means that the 3 stalkers are going to have a harder time to do something when they come out, since the opponent wont send out his units as early. I wonder if this still works
@VIsupIV i think yes, imo it's even easier now, because you have more time to destroy all the proxy pylons or the zealot with one or two stalkers. You can make a lot of damage, without losing minerals. Example: Killed 2 proxy pylons, one probe (the pylon builder), zealot, stalker and perhaps the first scouting probe if the enemy thinks that you are going Zealot first. This is 200 + 50 + 100 + 125 + (50) Minerals = 475 (525) damage you dealt. That's devastating in the early game.
I don't understand how you say its key to use your chrono on the second stalker and not the first one because "otherwise, your money doesn't flow as well". However you chrono both the first and the second one. I appreciate the tutorial but I thought you would have atleast touched on that.
@Christmastaflex - I think he just misspoke. He meant to say don't use the chrono until you start the second stalker in production. If you chrono while still working on your first stalker, you won't have quite enough money to start the second immediately, therefore wasting the chrono. Hope that made sense...
which if you sit down at squint at the game time clock, and the units/food artosis has, would simply get crushed by the proper 4gate response to this... at 6:25 artosis is just finishing his sentry, 4stalker, 2 zealot squad.. but at that time I'd be hugging his ramp with SIX stalkers, FIVE zealots and be chronoboosting out another wave of 4 in no time at all... His army would be outnumbered and dead before the immortal even really had a chance to join up with it.
all it takes to crush this 3 stalker build is a *well hidden* pylon 4gate, or if the 4gater simply warps in his first 4 stalker warp cycle (at 5:35) near his own base..
I have crushed countless people trying to do this build. The colossus doesn't come out in time, or if it does come out I'm already up the ramp with all my units before it is by 6:20
This is quite possibly the fastest semi-safe tech build, but it can be crushed by a well thought out 4gate if they scout no zealot early 2ndgate
Sorry, I meant the immortal doesn't come out in a timely manner. If I scout someone (while thinking 4gate) and I see no zealot, and an early second gateway, I'll know to make my first proxy pylon near or just inside my own base, and then head across the map with my 6 stalkers and 1 zealot at 5:30-5:35 and warp in 4 additional zealots at the top of the enemies ramp around 6:20...... and they can't do anything about it. I would have had everything red had at 7 minutes at 6:20-6:25
@Acres2 This is very similar to several openers of protoss vs terran, where the terran decides to either tech up or fast expand without gas.. stalkers can outmicro non stim marines and contain the terran at his base quite well. That's about it. Zerg doesn't really care about 3 stalkers on the map, they can easily have 24 zerglings sub 6 minutes(40 some odd at 6:30), while still having an expansion and 3 queens.
I win 95% of my pvp's in high diamond with this build, it doesnt even matter if the opponant doesnt do 4gate. The only build that beats this build is someone with way better micro than you, or super crazy fast rush to colossus build, and almost nobody does those builds because they lose 100% of the time to 4gates
Is it just me, or should red have warped in units at his proxy pylon outlining his base and turned artosis around and saved his pylon and taken map control much earlier
So... You withstood a standard 4 Gate... But have you tried this vs a Korean 4 Gate? That thing is beyond annoying... How would you deal with any 4 Gate with an unusually early timing? Because that 5 minute mark timing by the Korean 4 Gate is significantly different from an attack at the 5:30 or the 5:45 minute mark...
@Oreoclan This build by default stops a k4g because you can force that probe out of your base very early. K4g doesn't work unless they can build pylons in your base, and the aggressive stalker play forces him to walk from his base to yours. if he's doing it with zealots, it's a firing range.
@tombeutler Unless you get early Sentries, he can just as easily walk it up your ramp. I mean, warp a Pylon near the ramp, run Zealots up (he won't have Zealots or Sentries yet), then warp Zealots at the top of his ramp. If he engages, you win. If not, engage the Probes, stop his economy, and eventually overrun his base with Zealots. This DOES NOT beat a Korean 4 Gate by default. It just means he can't warp straight into your mineral line.
@Oreoclan mind you, at the pro gaming level 80-90% of PvP's are 4 warpgates, at that level i assure you at this point in the game, no one does korean 4 gate
As long as you scout with the stalkers and find his pylon in time this build is solid. If you don't kill his probe or pylon in time you are pretty much screwed. Plus anyone who does this is usually in the lower leagues like bronze, silver and will not even execute the 4 gate rush at the right time.
@haunter90 ur a noob. 4gate is about the timing and well excuted 4gate warps 4 units with a zealot n 2 stalkers around 5:15 game time. Ur build would be too late to block. U obviously r a noib
bad vid don't do it :) the person he played was obviously a complete nubcake :) Whenever i'd 4gate some1 i start making sentries+stalkers in my base until WG is finished and proxy pylon will always go be put down WITH the army i already gathered , also the korean who played artosis didn't even bother putting an expo down after he attacked so....gold-silver-bronze league any1?-_-
@koggit scouting is a given. and someone like artosis knows this. who cares if he didnt scout well in this game. he saw the replay and saw what he did so decided this would be good to do a video on.
scouting should be a no brainer. he doesnt have to teach u how to scout.
This is great, because even if your opponent isn't going to 4 gate, you can just transition into 3 gate expand right away, and still have the robo up.
This build is easily counted by a gas-steal.. Any high-tier protoss would steal the gas when he sees that he doesn't build the initial zealot.
Now he has the choice to go out and hunt pylons and never get his second gas. Or try to take the second gas and have a 4gate knocking at his front door.
@xzidez so what you're saying is that the 3 stalker build fails on gas steal. Could you explain why rather then just stating it? It's not obvious 1+1=2 for everyone sorry :P
As you see in his build he takes his second gas quite fast in order to tech. Without that initial zealot you cant bring down a gassteal without having to invest quite the time in it. In this time he should be out hunting the proxy pylon as you see in the video.
A gas steal will result in 2 things.
1. He is taking down the gas and you can place your proxy pylon safe outside the base and 4gate him.
2. He is hunting your prylons. and wont be able to take his second gas until very late.
@xzidez Ok so then you should just invest the 25 minerals in getting the "not going to finish this yet anyway" assimilator or just let it build ? Or is that just plain crazy talk
If you steal it and he starts chronoboosting his gateway (before core finishes), he is def making a zealot, you should cancle.
But if he is not and going stalker first. Just let it finish and try to be aggressive (smaller maps). This way he will have a really hard time destroying your assim. It will also be a great giveaway if he is committing to a 4gate. or trying to tech.
@whydoesthismatter ???? lmao its hilarious how you say clearly then when you actually watch it he did kill his own stalker and artosis' immortal was kiting zealots but yeah CLEARLY was the immortal killing the stalker (ps ur an idort)
CecilSunkure deserves mad props for interpreting this build from a VOD and noticing how strong it would be against a 4gate, especially since the VOD in question did not involve a 4gate.
there are 2 kinds of 4 gate rushes, the one where they make a gateway on 10/18 and try avoiding making attacking units till cybernetics and warp gate is complete and one where they play more standard 4 gate and get it at 12-13/18 does this build work as efficiently (if stalkers are used correctly) for both 4 gate strategies?
He put together the build order from a VOD of IMYongHwa playing vs ZeNEXPuzzle in the GSL and posted the results of a night of trial and erroring the build on Team Liquid where I imagine Artosis saw it.
@Kgeorge86 if you watched the minimap, he definitely scouted his opponent, he just didn't want to show it because he wanted to focus on the build itself
And this is the guy you have to listen too. It irritates me scrubs nowdays like Husky trying to make instructional videos all of the sudden and talking sooo much but sooo much fucking stupidity, it makes me want to call artosis and tell him hey dude, go teach this kid what to do, so he can in turn teach the gold leaguers that watch his channel how to properly play.
it doesn't, especially not with the whole "warp zealots up your ramp" addition to the strategy. I'm not saying it can't, i'm just saying that it wont consistently stop 4wg
This is the best build for Protoss. You can transition fast and still hold a 4gate all in even if you don't find their pylons. If Artosis didn't supply cap himself you can hold on until immortal. Recommend getting a 2nd sentry after 4th sentry though. To hold contain for a little longer. It should even work on a large ramp map if you micro back as they push in to give time for immortal to warp in.
@bmxklavs I see the block on the minimap, but I can't imagine how he possibly could have lost the game where he paused it. He had 2 colossi with a large gateway army right outside the guy's base. What was going to stop him from just walking in there and killing everything? 2 Stalkers can stop a void ray, and his warp gates were done at this point.
I think he won this game, it'd be amazing if he lost.
@CraftingStars Yeah but may be he did some embarrassing move, and set his phone to ring so that we would believe someone is calling him to cover that :D
omg! Ive seen White-ra open in this exact same way. a relative LONG time aggo. against a friend of mine in a tourny. only he waited till he had 5 stalkers and then went for 4 gate with a warp prism. the 5 stalkers took over the entire map. ofcourse my friend wasn't as high level as white-ra. but white-ra opened exactly the same.
@ruudhollenberg "only he waited till he had 5 stalkers and then went for 4gate with warp prism" is not nearly the same -.- guess you just wanted to tell how your friend played against whitera, soooo.... cool story bro
@ruudhollenberg Yeah well youre still wrong. The pushing with 3 Stalker is THE exential part of this build, its called "triple stalker push". A 4 Rax All In is not the same build as a 2 Rax Expo, just because you could've done the same at some time.
any time I start finding something cool and winning on BNet with it, some stupid How to shit guide comes up one or two days later and everyone starts doing it GOD DAMN IT!!!
I have been so tired of playing pvp, even though I have played less than 30 of them (recently switched from zerg to random). This 4 gate stuff bores the heck out of me.
I had some success with 2 gate openings, but that's kinda boring as well. This build seems fun to execute.
Anyone has an idea how it does against other common pvp builds? It seems solid to me ...
Lol @ the proxy Stargate he never saw.. if only this replay kept going
FortuneCat1982 2 weeks ago
@FortuneCat1982 stargate wouldn't do anything really :/
souperman12345 2 weeks ago
:( i cant do it...this dude who i practice with keeps building a lon at my ramp and pushes up with units help??
insanedrummer1572 2 weeks ago
@insanedrummer1572 I would say just try and make sure you're constantly warping in units, and make sure you catch the forward pylon before his first warp in otherwise you found it to late, and make sure you are dropping down your 3rd gateway and your robo when Artosis does (or around then) and honestly above all else just make sure you're constantly warping in units when available, looking at the video he didn't really miss a warp in, also don't forget to chrono boost the Immortal :)
Raist042 2 weeks ago
@insanedrummer1572 SENTRIES
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azzuritea 1 month ago
Very cool. Nice @ shoutout to young-hwa
webterrestrial 1 month ago
Steppes of War !!! lol
eyeEX 1 month ago
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TemmeSchumann321 2 months ago
what is the other protoss turtles
n4gauge 3 months ago
@n4gauge then congratulations, you didn't die. now you transition. this build is old, back when all pvp games ended before the 7min mark because of 4gate. now you can just make a sentry and be fine.
tuestresfat 3 months ago
i never noticed his opponent killed his own stalker =(
Asdfwsfg1 4 months ago
I miss Steppes of War. Can't wait for Immortals to get that +1 to range. It's going to make holding off a 4 Gate that much easier.
TotalySharky 5 months ago
Hey artosis can you upload games where you lose? then you can talk us through your mistakes, or tell us why your opponent's strategy was good!
CowHoofOnAHotPlate 6 months ago
@CowHoofOnAHotPlate
artosis doesn't lose.
Novacursed 1 month ago
this worked aginst a terran and a zerg
pedobearishot 6 months ago
Just looking for some advice here: In lower leagues might it be advisable to get out a second immortal, on the chance that they continue to mass stalkers in order to do a big push after you deny the rush?
ThePaedoBear 7 months ago
@ThePaedoBear I don't think so. You can force field the ramp to buy time for your first colossus.
Kovaji 6 months ago
he actually lost this game
olig8242 7 months ago
does this still work with the new warpgate timing?
VIsupIV 8 months ago 21
@VIsupIV
It's actually easier, you have the extra time before the enemy's warpgate attack goes. You can more reliably get the Immortal out.
51gunner 7 months ago
@VIsupIV The 4 warpgate rush is still a viable strategy, but since warpgate research got nerfed a bit, the time where you used to send out 1 zealot, 1 stalker and a probe is going to be different. Now you can make more units out of your gateways before warpgate is finished. This means that the 3 stalkers are going to have a harder time to do something when they come out, since the opponent wont send out his units as early. I wonder if this still works
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@VIsupIV That only makes it more powerfull.
MrGangstar101 5 months ago
@VIsupIV even better because the 4gate is delayed even further.
0kazaki 5 months ago
@VIsupIV i think yes, imo it's even easier now, because you have more time to destroy all the proxy pylons or the zealot with one or two stalkers. You can make a lot of damage, without losing minerals. Example: Killed 2 proxy pylons, one probe (the pylon builder), zealot, stalker and perhaps the first scouting probe if the enemy thinks that you are going Zealot first. This is 200 + 50 + 100 + 125 + (50) Minerals = 475 (525) damage you dealt. That's devastating in the early game.
nienaber1305 3 months ago
@VIsupIV Yes.
Warpgates have nothing to do with this.
Axiss360 1 month ago
he stopped the game to answer the phone isint that obvious there is no way he could have lost
jorge12app 8 months ago
This counters zealot push as well because you have three stalkers at 4:30
Tehan123 9 months ago
i remember arotosis calling people faggots for one base collossus lol
dbear 9 months ago
he lost this game
ODOMAN123 9 months ago
I don't understand how you say its key to use your chrono on the second stalker and not the first one because "otherwise, your money doesn't flow as well". However you chrono both the first and the second one. I appreciate the tutorial but I thought you would have atleast touched on that.
Christmastaflex 9 months ago
@Christmastaflex - I think he just misspoke. He meant to say don't use the chrono until you start the second stalker in production. If you chrono while still working on your first stalker, you won't have quite enough money to start the second immediately, therefore wasting the chrono. Hope that made sense...
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xLingyy 10 months ago
Does he get extended thermal lance?
SetbabyStarCraft 10 months ago
@SetbabyStarCraft
no, that's not really viable on one-base. You just get more units to finish him off.
ISSDUC 10 months ago
@ISSDUC i think it is sometimes forced off one base, just obv in this situation it was going to cut colossus numbers too much
xLingyy 10 months ago
@xLingyy
yeah, you're right :)
ISSDUC 10 months ago
thank u very much appreciated really
87limp 10 months ago
9 ppl can only do 4 gate and got crush by the 3 stalker build
Lonewanderer6666 10 months ago
rain and weather...anyone else saw this before EVER!?
I'm surprised!
shinyglove 11 months ago
it is possible to be in his base with 5 stalkers by 5:15 if you kno the build won 13/13 pvp games with it (its a secret)
madio33 11 months ago
@madio33 how?
SuperKAD0 11 months ago
God dammit artosis. We wanted to see the end of it.
pliskin100 11 months ago
Fact - robo negates 4gate.
Savci008 11 months ago
@Savci008 yes, but usually the immortal isn't out in time for the first warpin of units.
romanphoenix999 10 months ago
which if you sit down at squint at the game time clock, and the units/food artosis has, would simply get crushed by the proper 4gate response to this... at 6:25 artosis is just finishing his sentry, 4stalker, 2 zealot squad.. but at that time I'd be hugging his ramp with SIX stalkers, FIVE zealots and be chronoboosting out another wave of 4 in no time at all... His army would be outnumbered and dead before the immortal even really had a chance to join up with it.
chipmanman1 11 months ago
all it takes to crush this 3 stalker build is a *well hidden* pylon 4gate, or if the 4gater simply warps in his first 4 stalker warp cycle (at 5:35) near his own base..
I have crushed countless people trying to do this build. The colossus doesn't come out in time, or if it does come out I'm already up the ramp with all my units before it is by 6:20
This is quite possibly the fastest semi-safe tech build, but it can be crushed by a well thought out 4gate if they scout no zealot early 2ndgate
chipmanman1 11 months ago
Sorry, I meant the immortal doesn't come out in a timely manner. If I scout someone (while thinking 4gate) and I see no zealot, and an early second gateway, I'll know to make my first proxy pylon near or just inside my own base, and then head across the map with my 6 stalkers and 1 zealot at 5:30-5:35 and warp in 4 additional zealots at the top of the enemies ramp around 6:20...... and they can't do anything about it. I would have had everything red had at 7 minutes at 6:20-6:25
chipmanman1 11 months ago
@chipmanman1 it is not hard to beat this build. Scout it, and you win
Cheeseball007ftw 11 months ago
Is this build (or a slight variation) viable in other matchups for some heavy early pressure?
Acres2 11 months ago
@Acres2 This is very similar to several openers of protoss vs terran, where the terran decides to either tech up or fast expand without gas.. stalkers can outmicro non stim marines and contain the terran at his base quite well. That's about it. Zerg doesn't really care about 3 stalkers on the map, they can easily have 24 zerglings sub 6 minutes(40 some odd at 6:30), while still having an expansion and 3 queens.
chipmanman1 11 months ago
@chipmanman1 Ok sweet, thanks man
Acres2 11 months ago
I win 95% of my pvp's in high diamond with this build, it doesnt even matter if the opponant doesnt do 4gate. The only build that beats this build is someone with way better micro than you, or super crazy fast rush to colossus build, and almost nobody does those builds because they lose 100% of the time to 4gates
TY ARTOSIS for showing this
pseudologist 11 months ago
i did this it worked well in beggining but then got he got 5 voids vs collosus qq :(
Cloud2049 11 months ago
Is it just me, or should red have warped in units at his proxy pylon outlining his base and turned artosis around and saved his pylon and taken map control much earlier
chipmanman1 11 months ago
@chipmanman1
Wrapgate research wasnt finished yet i dont think..
eldridful 11 months ago
artosis is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i bought gsl membership to see more casting from this baller G
1800akatsuki 11 months ago
So... You withstood a standard 4 Gate... But have you tried this vs a Korean 4 Gate? That thing is beyond annoying... How would you deal with any 4 Gate with an unusually early timing? Because that 5 minute mark timing by the Korean 4 Gate is significantly different from an attack at the 5:30 or the 5:45 minute mark...
Oreoclan 11 months ago
@Oreoclan This build by default stops a k4g because you can force that probe out of your base very early. K4g doesn't work unless they can build pylons in your base, and the aggressive stalker play forces him to walk from his base to yours. if he's doing it with zealots, it's a firing range.
tombeutler 11 months ago
@tombeutler Unless you get early Sentries, he can just as easily walk it up your ramp. I mean, warp a Pylon near the ramp, run Zealots up (he won't have Zealots or Sentries yet), then warp Zealots at the top of his ramp. If he engages, you win. If not, engage the Probes, stop his economy, and eventually overrun his base with Zealots. This DOES NOT beat a Korean 4 Gate by default. It just means he can't warp straight into your mineral line.
Oreoclan 11 months ago
@Oreoclan mind you, at the pro gaming level 80-90% of PvP's are 4 warpgates, at that level i assure you at this point in the game, no one does korean 4 gate
cannydd 11 months ago
No sound?
TheRealEzzy 11 months ago
love youre tutorials keep on (=
Moppedd1 1 year ago
As long as you scout with the stalkers and find his pylon in time this build is solid. If you don't kill his probe or pylon in time you are pretty much screwed. Plus anyone who does this is usually in the lower leagues like bronze, silver and will not even execute the 4 gate rush at the right time.
Taiko88 1 year ago
bäm
DnllnGproductions 1 year ago
i bet you lost in the end and thats why you cut the replay and dont showthe final battle ;)
Stylesnshit 1 year ago
can you up the replay of this game? ;[
wipesaver 1 year ago
<3 yus
EChrist4lifeH 1 year ago
great vid art XD
thedeadnotsleeping 1 year ago
@MariosGuy sry, iPhone fuckup. As I was saying, his opponent made mistakes, and not scouting makes it a game
koggit 1 year ago
@MariosGuy but not scouting gives him an economic advantage. Not to mention his opponent made
koggit 1 year ago
@haunter90 ur a noob. 4gate is about the timing and well excuted 4gate warps 4 units with a zealot n 2 stalkers around 5:15 game time. Ur build would be too late to block. U obviously r a noib
kyungjunim13 1 year ago
bad vid don't do it :) the person he played was obviously a complete nubcake :) Whenever i'd 4gate some1 i start making sentries+stalkers in my base until WG is finished and proxy pylon will always go be put down WITH the army i already gathered , also the korean who played artosis didn't even bother putting an expo down after he attacked so....gold-silver-bronze league any1?-_-
haunter90 1 year ago
@haunter90
I wouldn't put down an expo at that stage, what if you win, but do damage. He still might get colossus way faster then you and then you're fucked
MasterDarkarbiter 11 months ago
"4gate... something that isn't that hard to execute"
as if the difficulty of 4gating has any relevance whatsoever
ztaylor3712 1 year ago
@ztaylor3712 It does because it means you are likely to see it even in lower leagues.
gnuzor2k 1 year ago
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@gnuzor2k no, you're wrong.
ztaylor3712 11 months ago
Artosis just got lucky in this game. No scouting? 2gate would've owned him.
koggit 1 year ago
@koggit you completely missed the point of the video lol...
he's showing that this can defend you against a 4gate in PvP since 4gate is what most toss players do on the ladder.
MariosGuy 1 year ago
@MariosGuy ...without scouting.
koggit 1 year ago
@koggit scouting is a given. and someone like artosis knows this. who cares if he didnt scout well in this game. he saw the replay and saw what he did so decided this would be good to do a video on.
scouting should be a no brainer. he doesnt have to teach u how to scout.
MariosGuy 1 year ago
This is great, because even if your opponent isn't going to 4 gate, you can just transition into 3 gate expand right away, and still have the robo up.
SSJ3Goku69 1 year ago
Doubt he lost to a proxy stargate. Just warp in some stalkers in his base.. lol
LolskiMcgee 1 year ago
I love this!!! :O :O
khyran 1 year ago
This build is easily counted by a gas-steal.. Any high-tier protoss would steal the gas when he sees that he doesn't build the initial zealot.
Now he has the choice to go out and hunt pylons and never get his second gas. Or try to take the second gas and have a 4gate knocking at his front door.
Just sayin..
xzidez 1 year ago
@xzidez so what you're saying is that the 3 stalker build fails on gas steal. Could you explain why rather then just stating it? It's not obvious 1+1=2 for everyone sorry :P
MrAgnost 1 year ago
@MrAgnost
As you see in his build he takes his second gas quite fast in order to tech. Without that initial zealot you cant bring down a gassteal without having to invest quite the time in it. In this time he should be out hunting the proxy pylon as you see in the video.
A gas steal will result in 2 things.
1. He is taking down the gas and you can place your proxy pylon safe outside the base and 4gate him.
2. He is hunting your prylons. and wont be able to take his second gas until very late.
xzidez 1 year ago
@xzidez Ok so then you should just invest the 25 minerals in getting the "not going to finish this yet anyway" assimilator or just let it build ? Or is that just plain crazy talk
MrAgnost 1 year ago
@MrAgnost
Kinda depends...
If you steal it and he starts chronoboosting his gateway (before core finishes), he is def making a zealot, you should cancle.
But if he is not and going stalker first. Just let it finish and try to be aggressive (smaller maps). This way he will have a really hard time destroying your assim. It will also be a great giveaway if he is committing to a 4gate. or trying to tech.
xzidez 1 year ago
artosis is terrible. psy is way better.
44chappo 1 year ago
PANDABEARGUY NO!
4:25
Riyoshi91 1 year ago 2
Thanks artosis! Wanted someone to upload a demonstration of that TL strat Post
FinalFenixx 1 year ago
did you win this game :) ???
dannyweeks12345 1 year ago
6:30 opponent kills his own stalker?
derba 1 year ago 141
@derba indeed.. and he was already behind.. >__>
gr4ndhustle 1 year ago
@derba lol yeah
artix1346 1 year ago
@derba hahahahahhaha
HanSoloStarcraft 11 months ago
@derba its clearly the immortal killing that stalker
whydoesthismatter 11 months ago
@whydoesthismatter are you stupid?
erkislerk 10 months ago
@whydoesthismatter ???? lmao its hilarious how you say clearly then when you actually watch it he did kill his own stalker and artosis' immortal was kiting zealots but yeah CLEARLY was the immortal killing the stalker (ps ur an idort)
symatic 10 months ago
@derba it was a spy. he had to kiill him.
mecatomato 10 months ago
@derba That special tactics would be ideal for famous people.
marcuswest 7 months ago
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derba 1 year ago
Should've scouted for those crazy proxy stargate Artosis
jimmydu444 1 year ago
Why did he kill the bear...
miguelangel39 1 year ago
@miguelangel39 for food, he was hungry
SmallFries01 1 year ago
CecilSunkure deserves mad props for interpreting this build from a VOD and noticing how strong it would be against a 4gate, especially since the VOD in question did not involve a 4gate.
Dhalphir 1 year ago
We want to know how did this finished ! xD
DaftSebPunk 1 year ago
hes a 4Gater like nearly every Korean toss scratch that like nearly every Toss Worldwide xd
Tuber12334 1 year ago
lol Artosis quickly cut away from the needless murder of that poor Ursadak at 4:24
arbitrary111 1 year ago 2
i do 2 gate stalkers opening all the time, i just have a bad back up plan :P
lemonbone 1 year ago
there are 2 kinds of 4 gate rushes, the one where they make a gateway on 10/18 and try avoiding making attacking units till cybernetics and warp gate is complete and one where they play more standard 4 gate and get it at 12-13/18 does this build work as efficiently (if stalkers are used correctly) for both 4 gate strategies?
decimalss 1 year ago
so did artosis win?
stedsfutbol87 1 year ago
So what does Cecil have to do with this?
Owens867 1 year ago
@Owens867
He put together the build order from a VOD of IMYongHwa playing vs ZeNEXPuzzle in the GSL and posted the results of a night of trial and erroring the build on Team Liquid where I imagine Artosis saw it.
Dhalphir 1 year ago
@Dhalphir pretty sure it was against FFMon unless thats another ID of his?
symatic 1 year ago
@symatic Yeah I made the same mistake, turns out FFMon and Puzzle are the same person.
Dhalphir 1 year ago
Collossi or Collosuses, Artosis. 'Collossus' is NOT the plural form of 'collossus'.
FAJackBauer 1 year ago
Minigun teaches a very similar build on his stream. I think this one will become standard very soon.
Rahelron85 1 year ago
Please keep the tutorials going :D
albefort 1 year ago
you sound like paedo in family guy at very end
simonx49 1 year ago
i was considering switching from protoss because of how much 4 gate was ruining pvp, so big thanks to artosis for showing us how to do this build
DaveyWonda 1 year ago
We wanted to see the killing blow :(
legendlazy 1 year ago 2
Get the msg to the korean server to 1 gate 1 robo attack artosis, hes not even scouting
Kgeorge86 1 year ago
@Kgeorge86 if you watched the minimap, he definitely scouted his opponent, he just didn't want to show it because he wanted to focus on the build itself
jmslocum16 1 year ago
@jmslocum16 he comented on how he isnt scouting
Kgeorge86 1 year ago
And this is the guy you have to listen too. It irritates me scrubs nowdays like Husky trying to make instructional videos all of the sudden and talking sooo much but sooo much fucking stupidity, it makes me want to call artosis and tell him hey dude, go teach this kid what to do, so he can in turn teach the gold leaguers that watch his channel how to properly play.
H0okemh0rns 1 year ago
havent people realized 3 gate robo beats 4 gate like a couple months ago?
legend1370 1 year ago
@legend1370 no it doesnt,especially if they have a shitload of zealots
gmanthebeast1 1 year ago
@legend1370 This is a different build that relies on 3 stalkers. It's called the Korean 3 Stalker Robo on liquipedia 2.
Fouge642 1 year ago
@legend1370
it doesn't, especially not with the whole "warp zealots up your ramp" addition to the strategy. I'm not saying it can't, i'm just saying that it wont consistently stop 4wg
EdwardManeikis 1 year ago
at least show us the ending:)
fujins7 1 year ago
@fujins7 the ending was obvious
Xanax26 1 year ago
This is the best build for Protoss. You can transition fast and still hold a 4gate all in even if you don't find their pylons. If Artosis didn't supply cap himself you can hold on until immortal. Recommend getting a 2nd sentry after 4th sentry though. To hold contain for a little longer. It should even work on a large ramp map if you micro back as they push in to give time for immortal to warp in.
starhezthet 1 year ago
Artosis lost to proxy stargate that's why he didn't show us all game.
bmxklavs 1 year ago 178
@bmxklavs LOL you're so right, I didn't notice the void ray at the end xD
Lenfal 1 year ago
@bmxklavs
lol, or proxy dts:P
crazedaf 1 year ago
@bmxklavs
The rest doesn't matter anyway, its an OPENING
DrSmokeTrees 1 year ago 2
@bmxklavs
void rays are so useless in PvP
AllstarHunE 1 year ago
@AllstarHunE nope
JocJav 11 months ago
@bmxklavs good eye :)
TDBhCorsica 11 months ago
@bmxklavs That's pretty much what I was thinking.
Shortkid110 11 months ago
@bmxklavs I see the block on the minimap, but I can't imagine how he possibly could have lost the game where he paused it. He had 2 colossi with a large gateway army right outside the guy's base. What was going to stop him from just walking in there and killing everything? 2 Stalkers can stop a void ray, and his warp gates were done at this point.
I think he won this game, it'd be amazing if he lost.
CraftingStars 11 months ago 28
@CraftingStars Yeah but may be he did some embarrassing move, and set his phone to ring so that we would believe someone is calling him to cover that :D
TDBhCorsica 7 months ago
ARTOSIS!!!
You show us this whole video and then don't even bother to show the best part: you crushing the 4gating scum. mmmmm 4gater tears mmmm.....
jdseemoreglass 1 year ago
im sceptical. this is a micro intense build which revolves around finding pylons / probes. this is much harder on bigger maps
JWJSSIF 1 year ago
4:25 WTF, man? You don't kill the PandaBearGuy, ergo you don't kill the NotAPandaBearGuy!
Mr42 1 year ago
omg! Ive seen White-ra open in this exact same way. a relative LONG time aggo. against a friend of mine in a tourny. only he waited till he had 5 stalkers and then went for 4 gate with a warp prism. the 5 stalkers took over the entire map. ofcourse my friend wasn't as high level as white-ra. but white-ra opened exactly the same.
ruudhollenberg 1 year ago
@ruudhollenberg "only he waited till he had 5 stalkers and then went for 4gate with warp prism" is not nearly the same -.- guess you just wanted to tell how your friend played against whitera, soooo.... cool story bro
xxderdickexx 1 year ago
@xxderdickexx if he'd attack with his first 3 it would be the same opening. and im not here to brag. Im just a gold leaguer
ruudhollenberg 1 year ago
@ruudhollenberg Yeah well youre still wrong. The pushing with 3 Stalker is THE exential part of this build, its called "triple stalker push". A 4 Rax All In is not the same build as a 2 Rax Expo, just because you could've done the same at some time.
xxderdickexx 1 year ago
Artosis, the true gentleman, not even bothering to finish the replay to gloat over his win. *golf clap*
whowahuh 1 year ago 2
@whowahuh Or he messed up horribly and killed his own colossi, and the game turned into a 3 hour game with loads of BM.
Kwaaification 1 year ago 2
4 gate is not really hard to stop.
catha86 1 year ago
Spoiler Alert! He loses that final push.
Vnalder 1 year ago
Poor ursadack :(
ProVODs 1 year ago
your so dead if he 4 gate fake you :D
DkLegacy24 1 year ago
10,000 people in the world are now going to change from 4 gate rush
shadowq8 1 year ago
he won because he killed pandabear guy II. Artosis was right from the start! The curse became a blessing in the second part.
Oh and cool build :) Love these new thingies!
MrAgnost 1 year ago
I think he loses the battle there, that's why he cut it early lol
evenshadow 1 year ago
ANY TIME!!!!!!
any time I start finding something cool and winning on BNet with it, some stupid How to shit guide comes up one or two days later and everyone starts doing it GOD DAMN IT!!!
MsTamuin 1 year ago
@MsTamuin Exept zerg imbalance
Wantstowincontest 1 year ago
Mr. Vegetarian...i saw you kill that animal out of rage of not finding the probe...shame on you!! ^^ i <3 you Rogue Cerebrate =P
yolkjj 1 year ago
Great build but hard to execute as hell! Def not a build for lower leagues i think
Adhuan 1 year ago
4:25 Only a vegetarian would do that.
davidvanelslande 1 year ago
SOOOOO good to have a good Protoss player releasing videos :D thanks Artosis.
Also you know what's best about a PvP replay? You're guarunteed to hear the Protoss music!!! Best music in the game <3 <3
scottylans 1 year ago
Thank you!
I have been so tired of playing pvp, even though I have played less than 30 of them (recently switched from zerg to random). This 4 gate stuff bores the heck out of me.
I had some success with 2 gate openings, but that's kinda boring as well. This build seems fun to execute.
Anyone has an idea how it does against other common pvp builds? It seems solid to me ...
japphan 1 year ago
thanks artosis :)
Eviltoast567 1 year ago
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arcanicc 1 year ago
The cynicism and negativity from many of you guys is really depressing.
CaLeDee 1 year ago
What hidden tech did your opponent decide to build off at the 9 o'clock position near the end of the video?
cgibbard 1 year ago