Ancient Roman Music - Musica Romana - Pugnate III

[kaisersose808]

Suena de puta madre!! Gran aporte.

[MrTiberis]

O predomínio dos USA não tem 70 anos, e já parece estar próximo do fim, com a estagnação de sua economia e o avanço dos BRICs.

[MrTiberis]

Ó "sorrypapaw" : quanto anacronismo! Os USA podem até ter conquistado um predomínio maior que os romanos. mas é complicado comparar. Os meios de comunicação hoje são muito mais céleres do que na Antiguidade Clássica. Sem contar que o predomínio atual dos estadunudenses foi preparado por impérios anteriores. Agora, uma coisa é certa: os romanos dominaram o que era o MUNDO CONHECIDO DE ENTÃO, e por um vasto período de tempo, deixando um legado que até hoje perdura. E os americanos?

[caitsidhe]

The world wouldn't have shaped itself as it has without both civilizations, both for the good and the bad. I'm not sure one would have overmatched the other, and like as not, generations of wasteful warfare would've depleted the populations of both empires.

[RamonKatechismus]

hic carmen Latinum aut Graecum est?

[doctorw2]

a curse on the romans may they descend to the great depths of gehenna may that great beast that devoured the world with its violence and vice be blotted out of from the heavens and the earth forever!

[dmkavidelly]

@dirtoffmyshoulder1 The Romans never got past Afghanistan.

[Pathetiquelvb]

@dmkavidelly Romans arrived to India, but not to conquer, just exploring. I don't know about China, but India, I'm sure.

[dprice112]

is that a hydraulis theyre playing in this recording or is it some kind of flute or panpipe?

[generalpatton3]

@dprice112

Nope, there is no hydraulis in either two of these tracks. You will have to look at the other Pugnate videos for that. Pugnate has recorded at least two tracks with the only working hydraulis in the world (as of 2008 - although I doubt another was built since then).

[dprice112]

@generalpatton3

ah, thanks for the info... few more questions....which tracks have the hydraulis, and what instrument are they using in this recording?

[generalpatton3]

@dirtoffmyshoulder1

And which part may that be? :)

The Romans did have trade contacts with the Han Chinese, and some Roman delegations even reached China (one from Aurelius, for instance), but the Romans never got as far as conquest of Chinese-held territories. Shame if you ask me. It would indeed be interesting to see who out of the two was 'not to be messed with' as you put it.

[measlon]

The Sumerians were not the forefathers of the Persians. The Sumerians were Semetic. Persians are Indo-Iranian.

[Noraire]

@measlon

Actually Sumerians were not semitic either

[LappalingurII]

@measlon Errr...Sumerians were not Semetic, in fact we don't really know how they were related to anyone :Þ

[Kennychan222]

Ancient Pub Songs!

[Devinfilms6679]

sounds like indian stuff

[IGotMonkeysInMyGrill]

@Devinfilms6679

When Alexander took his Greek army and began conquering the middle east, they also went into India for a while, so it's possible they were influenced a little by the Hindus, at least in their music.

[sorrypapawxz]

Great respect to the greatest western empire in history!

I am acctually currently studiyng latin.

// From Iran with respect.

[kalimaganeshshivan]

Why have respect for a repugnant, xenophobic, barbarian race such as the Romans? They hated Iranians, just as much as the ancient Greeks did. Rome was not great, neither were their psychotic emperors.

[generalpatton3]

@kalimaganeshshivan

Heh, even as a Roman enthusiast myself, it is undeniable that there is a great deal of truth in your post.

That said, while the Latins were always the barbarians, who produced comparatively astonishingly-little original art and culture, the Romans were not xenophobic by the ancient standards. Greeks, being notoriously jingoistic, were the Japanese of the Antiquity -- but not the Romans. If anything, the late Achaemenid Empire was much more radical in this regard.

[kalimaganeshshivan]

@generalpatton3 Thank you for the information. I apologize for my one-sidedness. I guess because of my Indo-Iranian heritage on my father's side is what fed my comments. To be fair to the Romans and their forebears the Etruscans, they had many hardships on their way to civilization. I blame the arrogance on many of their emperors and consorts behind the throne even when the Senate tried to keep them in check. However music is the universal language of all races and it is something I respect.

[generalpatton3]

History is all about objectivity and setting aside one's own heritage in favour of objectivity. Being a proud Russian myself, my nationality nevertheless does little to bar me from admiring the brilliant tactical exploits of Napoleonic France or Nazi Germany, to name a few. History is history - the past. Humanity throws sheisse around and will do so until its very demise.

So try to go easy on the poor fella' - and the Romans or other past peoples. ;P Oh, and my hat off to a history teacher :D

[Alucardthedeadone]

because he is free to like what he likes.

[kalimaganeshshivan]

@Alucardthedeadone Well, now that is an original sentiment. Did you think of that one all by yourself? (Tongue in cheek)

[Wyndworm]

@kalimaganeshshivan mate...some of those phsycotic emperors were patrons of art and peace, unfortunetly they had inherited an empire that they had to maintain, Rome couldn't just. collapse itself. Take Marcus Aurelius, Augustus and Hadrian, and Vespasian great thinkers, you couldn't call those artistic and intelligent men barbaric. Greeks hated Rome but when they were part of it they loved it. Iran needed putting down, they were a threat to the empire.

[kalimaganeshshivan]

@Wyndworm Fuck the Romans, the Persians spanked Rome's ass more than once. It was they who needed putting down!

[Wyndworm]

@kalimaganeshshivan they weren't called persians they were called Parthians, we could also say the Saxons spanked Romes arse as my ancestry is Saxon however I know better to respect enemies rather than insult them......must be a middle eastern trait......disrespect that is. Your looking at it in a very biased and unhistorical manner. The jews also revolted against the Philistines and virtually everyone who occupied them....because they believe the land of Canaan is divinely there's.

[Wyndworm]

@Wyndworm Persia didn't exist following the demise of Darius the "Great" who himself was so easily defeated by Alexander the Great. Take Gaugamela Persia 93000 men Macedonia 47000 Persia were routed and that was the end. Iran was then populated by the savage peoples of Parthia and Scythia. Anyway Xerxes one of the most reveered kings of persia couldn't even defeat 300 spartans with a 100000 men. feeble empire compared to Rome.

[kalimaganeshshivan]

@Wyndworm If it weren't for the Persians, Parthians, their forefathers, the Sumerians and the Anunnaki, Rome wouldn't have had such a "great" civilization. While the Etruscans and later the Romans were still cave dwelling farmers. These powerful races of the East were building great cities and technology that was revered in the then known world. These same predecessors benefited the Egyptians, Greeks, Mesopotamians, and later the Romans. The Persians were not tyrannical until the Sassanids.

[Wyndworm]

@kalimaganeshshivan I think cave dwellers is a bit harsh my man....they did have clay and wattle huts you know we're not talking the paeleolithic here....and Etruscans had large villages then and developing aquaducts. you can't disrespect people who were living in a different environment to ppl in the middle east during bronze age. Oh yeah though, i accept Iran was the cradle of civilisation...but it got overtook unfortunetly.

[kalimaganeshshivan]

@Wyndworm You're a lover of ancient Rome, but I'm not looking at them through rose colored glasses and that old scapegoat excuse "Well, they were that way because the ancient world was cruel!" The Persians and the people that were subjugated by them lived under one great emperor that defined Persians for centuries, Korosh Mahashah Bozorg or Cyrus the Great. He was a tolerant, benevolent ruler that loved his people and became a model for many kings after him. His influence spread to the West.

[14GloryofRome14]

@kalimaganeshshivan Persia was considerably more tolerable. I'm more interested in Roman history, but I acknowledge that the Persian Empire was a more cosmopolitan and less xenophobic society than Rome. Glory be to Persia!

[kalimaganeshshivan]

@14GloryofRome14 I agree! Thank you!

[kalimaganeshshivan]

@Wyndworm The Sassanids (224-651) only started becoming extremely tyrannical when the Arab Caliphate conquered them and wrested power from the last Zoroastrian ruler Yazdegerd III. By then Islam was a force to be reckoned with and it encompassed not only Iran, but Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and the Caucasus regions. Ardashir the First was the ruler that founded the Sassanid Dynasty and he fought the arrogant Romans under Alexander Severus and drove them out. Any further rebuttals?

[kalimaganeshshivan]

@Wyndworm You have all of this admiration and respect for the Roman Empire. With Rome, their sentiments were like this, if you weren't for them, you were against them, literally and figuratively. Everyone else who were not Romans were barbarians and subject to imperial, state, martial, and later under the guise of Christendom, Hellenistic law with the harshest of penalties (that's why the Jews revolted). The Persian Empire was a democracy under the truest sense even with the powerful Cyrus.

[Wyndworm]

@kalimaganeshshivan gosh...persian democracy...phawww....more than Iran has now. Your looking at history in a modern light the ancient world was cruel, i can't see how you can compare the romans to persians at all here. The Persians were constantly doing what the Romans did when they usurped their empire why do you think Alexander kicked their ass? and why was it easy? The Greeks were looked upon as liberators from Persian tyranny.

[01Sangahyando]

@kalimaganeshshivan

Actually, the Roman-Persian relationship was more like the US-Soviet one. Both weren't above learning a lot from each other. Certainly the Romans didn't universally hate Iranians. Racist hate of foreigners was never a defining characteristic of the Roman culture. Hypocrisy, yes, and chauvinism. But that was hardly uncommon back then, and isn't nowadays.

If you want to see people who hate Iranians and Iranian culture, look at the Mollahs who're in charge of present day Iran.

[kalimaganeshshivan]

@01Sangahyando The lucidity of your statement is astounding. I couldn't have made a better comment myself. You're absolutely right, both about the Romans and the akhoon kuni bastards (Mullahs) who are running Iran into the ground. Thank you!

[szaboa123]

@sorrypapawxz Bene rem geras atque valeas!

[mvndanvs]

@sorrypapawxz That's great man, debebas romanus natus esse. ;)

Te saluto de statis unitis.

[italia126]

@sorrypapawxz

Great respect to the pope of the Sassanids, the origin Persian pope. The Persian culture is one of the ten most importand in the history of humanity i think. Romans, Greecs, Persian, Chinese, Makedonians, Germans, Normanns, Egypts, Indian and Indo-(South)American popes.

// From Germany with respect

[fkitchen1]

@sorrypapawxz keep up your studies,the Romans and Greeks have a lot to teach us that is positive and human about being a full person in an urban cosmopolitan urban. Pax Romana.

[dmkavidelly]

@sorrypapawxz Greatest? America has been around for about as long as the Pax Romana lasted and has expanded to about 4 times the extent of the Roman Empire at it's hight. The Spanish and British ended up with empires so vast the sun never set on them. In just 50 years the EU has consolidated most of the former Empire under it's rule.

In short, Rome wasn't so great. In it's time sure but not in all of Western history.

[specialeddy]

@dmkavidelly

That's kind of like saying "The Renaissance painters weren't THAT great. Hell, my little brother can Photoshop a picture way more realistic and high res than Botticelli's Birth of Venus, and it'll only take him an hour!"

[macee17]

@sorrypapawxz hey, you have nice history as well! Persia was and still the best country in the middle east :) Respect from Europe / Hungary brother

[tazgrento]

@sorrypapawxz

Be proud! Your empire was the only to best Rome in battle!