Those semis sound wonderful, love the sounds of big diesel motors with big turbos going down the track. Makes my blood run cold. Like the one that ran the V12 Detroit diesel sounds almost industrial in some ways. 5 stars as well
I was at a tractor pull at the Allegheny Country fair in Maryland and that first truck 'Built For Business' pulled and the announcer said he has a 1200 something cubic inch motor, and 3600 horsepower.
@SayHiToTheBadGuy Stock Cummins KT-450's which were available from the factory in this model KW were 1,150 cubic inches, so 1,200 wouldn't be too difficult to obtain.
I've also heard that some of the diesels used in pulling tractors are making 4,500-HP nowdays.
that first truck is twisting its frame like 10 degrees. just a little torque there. they must put a lot of weight ove rthe back axles to get traction.
thats actually the springs or the airbags giving on that side a frame on a truck will not normally twist I have seen trucks roll over and not twist the frame
its not frame twist the frame on a truck will not twist and go back because of all the supports in it I have been to loaded tractor trailer wrecks upside down and cut the driver out and the frame be straight as a arrow
NO "thats actully ' a shit load of torque with an ass load of horsepower behind it . all channel frames are designed to twist . thats why most of your heavy duty trucks dont use box frames they are to rigid and will break
iv seen tom the first truck pull many times but never first only problem with him is that he always breaks somthing but pulls he shit outta a sled whenever hes hooked to it
Wonder if they are all running nitrous? with that size of a motor I would imagine that's mostly turbo and injector work with head studs the size of pepsi cans
Nice vid.. but what kind of regulations/limitations do you guys have in the US? in europe the trucks are only allowed til 3500 rpm engine speed, and we have only a few classes til 12 tons weight. I wish that some of your trucks were also allowed here in the competitions..
I understand that these trucks are not streetlegal, but within the truckpulling in europe we have a lot of of regulations and limits for the trucks sadly enough. but what are the limits in the US? what's your max weight? and what is the max in rpm/ hp with the engines? or number of cilinders? that's what I mean, thanks for the reply..
skys the limit I guess, I have no idea. some of these trucks have 12 cylinders in them. I know the first truck in this video has 3600 horsepower. just what I remember from him pulling at the Allegheny County fair.
@ Metsemakers007. Since the sport is started in the USA and Canada I do have a lot of respect for the American pullers.
But in Europe they are not all losers or complete nitwits.
I.e. in The Netherlands there is a truck in the 10,5 ton (approx. 23000lb) which engine is greatly engineered by the Mack co USA; As far as I know they never won a pull.
ik neem aan dat je hiermee op de black widow doelt de zwarte renault magnum met mack v8 blok ik weet niet zeker hoe vaak dat je bij deze wedstrijden bent maar ik heb deze wel al verschillende keren zien winnen ;-) echter na t komen van de MB van Rutchen heeft deze wel stevige concurrentie gekregen samen met de MAN van Van Berkel dat moet ik ook toegeven maar de iveco's en de volvo's vind ik anders ook best respectvol dat ze in deze klassen met een 6 cilinder lijn meekunnen tussen de v10 motoren
de amerikanen vind ik ook prachtige machines hoor, en vind t ook geweldig om te zien hoe ze die opgevoerd krijgen, maar vergelijk ook eens goed de verhoudingen van deze vrachtwagens, dan is een amerikaan toch heel wat meer machine. in Made is vorig jaar ook een peterbuilt geweest, en die verloor het toch zelfs van de MB's. ben je de 13e en 14e ook op t Made's powerweekend dan?
Hallo Metsemakers007, Ik ben de afgelopen 3 jaar regelmatig naar wedstrijden gegaan maar de Renault (Black Widow) heb ik dus nooit zien winnen. Het is wel een mooie truck met een prachtig geluid. Wij als Europeanen zijn vaak geneigd om naar de overkant te kijken en alles wat daar rijd mooi of bruut te vinden. Maar ik denk dat de Europese techniek verfijnder is. Maar een oude torpede is mooier dan een cab over, dat ben ik direct met je eens. Ik ben niet in Made maar zal er in Oss weer bij zijn.
God DAM! and Really Who Cares How Much Smoke comes out of the Rigs Stacks.. they r Some Bad Ass Rigs... Dam this was in PA... GodDam it i lived tho im Only 13.. i lived they 4 12 Years my Dad Drove Big Rig Over the Road GodDam Good Video Dude :) i give this a 100...
it look like u never been to india or china where the airs so thik with pulution a avrage person from the us wouldnt be able to breath, why does ever one blame the us when it mostly the poor undevolped cournties that polute?
india and china spend oil to increase their low economy level and not for fun.but they' re 2.5 billions!a single american spends much more energy than a single chinese.And remember how many lives were lost in iraq for this oil
u dont shift they have special clutches u put it in gear u want and u have to build up so much pressere before it will engage same as a pulling tractor that is why they have to bring the rpms up so much
Woah fuck! That thing, has something in it`s engine sucking stuff from around it and squeezing it to the engine so well that it makes that thing just fucking furious! I LOVE IT!
I think most are in the 3,000-3,500rpm range...a couple may be a little closer to 4,000rpm. That doesn't sound like much but you have to consider the size of these engines. Much more mass and weight swinging around inside a kt600 cummins than your typical small block chevy at the drag strip.
unburned fuel.....and actually they have proven that older diesel engines emit more pollutants.....even though that is a kick ass shade of black (smoke)! ;-)
the first cummins was awesome.. you got power when ONE tire lifts from the grown. that frame needs fo be boxed of something, probably already done lol
I don't care what it is. Any vehicle powerful enough to twist it's chassis like these trucks demands respect. Great film. try to keep the camera steady on the next one though. lol
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
Any one that likes this mindless waste of time should be forced to breathe in that filthy black diesel smoke. And if you think this is crap you are a probably a redneck and should be gassed.
Do you have a hobby?Something you enjoy doing or watching?If so, then shut the hell up, stop being a hypocrite.Keep the hammer down and don't feed the bears.God bless the good ol U.S.A.!
yes tru but in a failure case the white can indicate a head problem or even an impending turbo failure.coolant as water injection, haha thats funny, but oil can cause, in excessive amounts, runaways and as for why u dont see detroits idunno maybe u will after this post
hey dieslmechanic i dont think ur right the white smoke could be over fueling you see a piston cant compress water it would damage the head i coul be wrong tho
you are right, white smoke can be raw fuel but only in a "cold" engine when the engine is hot it burns and turns black. also white can be antifreeze.but the turbo burns nothin all it does is provide air. water/methanol injection cools intake charge of air. but is not necessary and too much will detonate pistons. read diesel power mag
Those semis sound wonderful, love the sounds of big diesel motors with big turbos going down the track. Makes my blood run cold. Like the one that ran the V12 Detroit diesel sounds almost industrial in some ways. 5 stars as well
apismellifera1000 8 months ago
its a shame some fuckers bought along there umbrellas
72klinger 1 year ago
Those are Chuck Norris' Hot Wheels.
heathovc 1 year ago
just reving the ball bag right off er... but i love every second of it !!!
dave360dave 1 year ago
Holy fucking shit thats a lot of torque!!!
aezakmi409 1 year ago
holy sack
tonyf686 1 year ago
I was at a tractor pull at the Allegheny Country fair in Maryland and that first truck 'Built For Business' pulled and the announcer said he has a 1200 something cubic inch motor, and 3600 horsepower.
SayHiToTheBadGuy 1 year ago
@SayHiToTheBadGuy Stock Cummins KT-450's which were available from the factory in this model KW were 1,150 cubic inches, so 1,200 wouldn't be too difficult to obtain.
I've also heard that some of the diesels used in pulling tractors are making 4,500-HP nowdays.
jgmagoo1 1 month ago
WICKED !! DIESEL POWER !!!!
KB3MMX 2 years ago
The audio on this home video is "fantastic!" I can rock my apartment building with deep bass sounds of "Heavy Diesels" (which I like)
More like this with audio quality please?
tweakbob 2 years ago
how can they shift a cabover? like this ... awesome!!
suddenimpact01 2 years ago
cuz they r auto trannys
6812944 1 year ago
damn thats powerrrrrr
gig049 2 years ago
love how wildfire purs when shes getting warmed up.
bec1422 2 years ago
get fu*cked thats tops
blackshadow181 2 years ago
that first truck is twisting its frame like 10 degrees. just a little torque there. they must put a lot of weight ove rthe back axles to get traction.
DieselsAndDiodes 2 years ago
thats actually the springs or the airbags giving on that side a frame on a truck will not normally twist I have seen trucks roll over and not twist the frame
nchayfarmer 2 years ago
probly the trucks u saw roll over were not using a shit load of torque to go somewhere.
ThundareRed 2 years ago
no im saying a truck lay over on the interstate with a loaded trailer and the frame not twist
nchayfarmer 2 years ago
@nchayfarmer Watch Nocolas Gagnon pull with his flattop Pete thats frame twist!
1triple13 2 years ago
its not frame twist the frame on a truck will not twist and go back because of all the supports in it I have been to loaded tractor trailer wrecks upside down and cut the driver out and the frame be straight as a arrow
nchayfarmer 2 years ago
NO "thats actully ' a shit load of torque with an ass load of horsepower behind it . all channel frames are designed to twist . thats why most of your heavy duty trucks dont use box frames they are to rigid and will break
jmecrg 2 years ago
damn that is a long ass chain. would hate ffor that bitch to snap and go flyin into the crowd
fergit0923 2 years ago
I didn't even have to see that nasty cabover move for you to get 5 stars.
tman06798 2 years ago 8
wow thats a really long chain. most chains that we pull with are only two or three foot.
mfsuper90 2 years ago
iv seen tom the first truck pull many times but never first only problem with him is that he always breaks somthing but pulls he shit outta a sled whenever hes hooked to it
grizzly4fidty 2 years ago
ive seen that first truck 'built for business' pull before, it has 3600 horsepower.
SayHiToTheBadGuy 2 years ago
holy crap!!!! look at the PWARRRRAGH!!!
thepretenda 2 years ago
Wonder if they are all running nitrous? with that size of a motor I would imagine that's mostly turbo and injector work with head studs the size of pepsi cans
kwaky2005 2 years ago
i never thought a semi could do that
denmarkguy1 2 years ago
talking about pollution
ass1231453 2 years ago
Nice vid.. but what kind of regulations/limitations do you guys have in the US? in europe the trucks are only allowed til 3500 rpm engine speed, and we have only a few classes til 12 tons weight. I wish that some of your trucks were also allowed here in the competitions..
Metsemakers007 2 years ago
this is pretty much the unlimited class, these trucks are not street legal if thats what you were talking about.
SayHiToTheBadGuy 2 years ago
I understand that these trucks are not streetlegal, but within the truckpulling in europe we have a lot of of regulations and limits for the trucks sadly enough. but what are the limits in the US? what's your max weight? and what is the max in rpm/ hp with the engines? or number of cilinders? that's what I mean, thanks for the reply..
Metsemakers007 2 years ago
skys the limit I guess, I have no idea. some of these trucks have 12 cylinders in them. I know the first truck in this video has 3600 horsepower. just what I remember from him pulling at the Allegheny County fair.
SayHiToTheBadGuy 2 years ago
the semis are limited to a 20,000 pound max weight. but they do have some single turbo classes. these here are the 20k unlimited
hcr403 2 years ago
@ Metsemakers007. Since the sport is started in the USA and Canada I do have a lot of respect for the American pullers.
But in Europe they are not all losers or complete nitwits.
I.e. in The Netherlands there is a truck in the 10,5 ton (approx. 23000lb) which engine is greatly engineered by the Mack co USA; As far as I know they never won a pull.
DDSeries92 2 years ago
What I want to say the European M.A.N, Mercedes Benz, Volvo, Iveco's and DAF might compete with the American Semis when pulling at approx 3000rpm.
To develop the sport and make it reachable for the people with a tight budget the Dutch run at 2900rpm and the Italians at 4000rpm.
Displacement is approx 18,5 liter (1100cu in). max# of cylinders is 12.
DDSeries92 2 years ago
ik neem aan dat je hiermee op de black widow doelt de zwarte renault magnum met mack v8 blok ik weet niet zeker hoe vaak dat je bij deze wedstrijden bent maar ik heb deze wel al verschillende keren zien winnen ;-) echter na t komen van de MB van Rutchen heeft deze wel stevige concurrentie gekregen samen met de MAN van Van Berkel dat moet ik ook toegeven maar de iveco's en de volvo's vind ik anders ook best respectvol dat ze in deze klassen met een 6 cilinder lijn meekunnen tussen de v10 motoren
Metsemakers007 2 years ago
de amerikanen vind ik ook prachtige machines hoor, en vind t ook geweldig om te zien hoe ze die opgevoerd krijgen, maar vergelijk ook eens goed de verhoudingen van deze vrachtwagens, dan is een amerikaan toch heel wat meer machine. in Made is vorig jaar ook een peterbuilt geweest, en die verloor het toch zelfs van de MB's. ben je de 13e en 14e ook op t Made's powerweekend dan?
Metsemakers007 2 years ago
Hallo Metsemakers007, Ik ben de afgelopen 3 jaar regelmatig naar wedstrijden gegaan maar de Renault (Black Widow) heb ik dus nooit zien winnen. Het is wel een mooie truck met een prachtig geluid. Wij als Europeanen zijn vaak geneigd om naar de overkant te kijken en alles wat daar rijd mooi of bruut te vinden. Maar ik denk dat de Europese techniek verfijnder is. Maar een oude torpede is mooier dan een cab over, dat ben ik direct met je eens. Ik ben niet in Made maar zal er in Oss weer bij zijn.
DDSeries92 2 years ago
God DAM! and Really Who Cares How Much Smoke comes out of the Rigs Stacks.. they r Some Bad Ass Rigs... Dam this was in PA... GodDam it i lived tho im Only 13.. i lived they 4 12 Years my Dad Drove Big Rig Over the Road GodDam Good Video Dude :) i give this a 100...
Armyboy0202 2 years ago
Why do some trucks make lighter smoke and others make darker smoke?
gp40mc 3 years ago
Because it depends on how much disel fuel the engine burns.
aleksankazakov 3 years ago
The truck at 3,25 sounds a bit like a supra when it idle's
Petrolhead1984 3 years ago
thats because it has a 2 stroke V12 Detroit Diesel
dieselholicpullteam 2 years ago
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lobes107 2 years ago
The engine torque was so prodigious that it was twisting the chassis of the truck!
hiyadroogs 2 years ago
dam that things a beast
dynastyshocker07 3 years ago
WATS WITH THE POLSEN ON THE START TRUCK
250XT 3 years ago
He sure got it done.
violet2048 3 years ago
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
realtreeaphd 3 years ago 2
Meen Jelly Been!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UncleWeldanz1 3 years ago 2
Mikeshit, go play with your penis watching your porn collection
iliasgorgeous 3 years ago
Wildfire is the best one in my opinion. That Detroit 1271tt didn't have quite as much power as the Cummins, but boy did it ever sound good!
fordhater207 3 years ago 3
same as the last comment...good vid but hold it more steddy.lol
grant1295714 3 years ago
good vid but get a tripod, damn lol
TBWdracula2003 3 years ago 2
the first guy who pulled was the best their ever was thats why hes the diesl doctor
sgttroyer 3 years ago
thats serious torque
FonghoulaForsure 3 years ago 8
it look like u never been to india or china where the airs so thik with pulution a avrage person from the us wouldnt be able to breath, why does ever one blame the us when it mostly the poor undevolped cournties that polute?
deathfrompixles 3 years ago
india and china spend oil to increase their low economy level and not for fun.but they' re 2.5 billions!a single american spends much more energy than a single chinese.And remember how many lives were lost in iraq for this oil
iliasgorgeous 3 years ago
If you don't like it why do you keep watching it and posting comments moron?
ihsodbuster 3 years ago
because I see the replies in my email, stupid!
iliasgorgeous 3 years ago
he has no life and cant get anyone to talk to him any other way...he's a stupid liberal !
mikescott35 3 years ago
dumb ass !
mikescott35 3 years ago
Why the hate? Americans are far from being the only people that do this, dipshit.
ressedue 3 years ago 3
Us european like a bit truck/tractor pulling
Petrolhead1984 3 years ago
Oh, yeah, because the USA is the only one that does Semi Racing. Half the ones on youtube arent even in the USA. Dipshit
ressedue 3 years ago
Boring
tyrese147 3 years ago
yeah you can definatley tell that cab-over KW had a V8 318!
dant386 3 years ago
That's the torque from the engine twisting the chassis.
Action and reaction...
rudeboyzero 3 years ago
why do the cars twist like that?
Avenger987 3 years ago
top knotch video there ,driver felt like i was there...
hammerlane2 3 years ago
That 2nd truck with the Detroit 12v71tt sounded AWESOME!
82agwayldt11 4 years ago 2
The best sounding engines anywere. Those 2 strokes are cool..
1958johndeere620 3 years ago
u got that right, my man
82agwayldt11 3 years ago
wow thats some serious twisting to those trucks frames but they're cool
HEHEMELIKEBIGBOOM 4 years ago
What do you do about shifting gears... do you? Or are they high-rated autos? And where does the chain hook on the back?
johndeereguy1 4 years ago
u dont shift they have special clutches u put it in gear u want and u have to build up so much pressere before it will engage same as a pulling tractor that is why they have to bring the rpms up so much
emtbd79 3 years ago
Get a freakin tripod next time.
scobrown1 4 years ago 4
TOO BAD the dum ba$tard on the camera is jacking off. Hold that phuker steady man.
Midnitemaster 4 years ago
Christ that was sexy.. look at the torque twisting that damn chassi... love it!
WowMike2002 4 years ago
Woah fuck! That thing, has something in it`s engine sucking stuff from around it and squeezing it to the engine so well that it makes that thing just fucking furious! I LOVE IT!
SpliteR 4 years ago
How many rpms does one of those turn?
9332931 4 years ago
I think most are in the 3,000-3,500rpm range...a couple may be a little closer to 4,000rpm. That doesn't sound like much but you have to consider the size of these engines. Much more mass and weight swinging around inside a kt600 cummins than your typical small block chevy at the drag strip.
bgreek 4 years ago
Thats not pollution, its little bits of carbon, totally inert and harmelss.
81broncoman 4 years ago
unburned fuel.....and actually they have proven that older diesel engines emit more pollutants.....even though that is a kick ass shade of black (smoke)! ;-)
corrado327 3 years ago
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too much pollution
fishymamba 4 years ago
I like to eat hippies like this as a breakfast :)
BigPeBe 4 years ago
MEAN machines!
kimchiman1000 4 years ago
the first cummins was awesome.. you got power when ONE tire lifts from the grown. that frame needs fo be boxed of something, probably already done lol
erk409 4 years ago
Nope the frame isn't a double frame or boxed!
dalton1040 4 years ago
Cameraman needs a tripod...steady up, dude!
Shalinar45 4 years ago
Any 1 here thing thopse truck would do good at el rodeo or notre dame du nord, rodeo du camion..? I wonder howmuch power they make..?
detroitPOWER 4 years ago
those cabovers are cool,look at my 352 in ireland!!!great video
patchesutick 4 years ago
BUY a tripod for camera
bagzcs 4 years ago
The chasis twist was awesome!!
Bobmehknob 4 years ago
Sled killers fo sho.....
Galaxy2517 4 years ago
Thats not a hot rod fark you.
Wholelotofshakingoin 4 years ago
wow saddam go back to your country you tard
scottums5427 4 years ago
I don't care what it is. Any vehicle powerful enough to twist it's chassis like these trucks demands respect. Great film. try to keep the camera steady on the next one though. lol
Skye540 4 years ago
whats up with the "ghugging" idles?
xadmiral291x 4 years ago
The Camshaft, it is a cam designed for high rpm power... the same reason a drag car has a rough idle
00junkyarddawg00 4 years ago
Actually its caused by the extreme timing they are running on the injection pumps...
HahnsB2 4 years ago
Yep and Cam! Timeing is the big thing!
dalton1040 4 years ago
n.3 was a detroit 12v71 or 12v92 or somting,v12 2 stroke
detroitPOWER 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Any one that likes this mindless waste of time should be forced to breathe in that filthy black diesel smoke. And if you think this is crap you are a probably a redneck and should be gassed.
saddamsalaugh 4 years ago
don't u have anything better to do other than criticize the backbone of this country (the working class)
JohnDeereA219 4 years ago
Do you have a hobby?Something you enjoy doing or watching?If so, then shut the hell up, stop being a hypocrite.Keep the hammer down and don't feed the bears.God bless the good ol U.S.A.!
Galaxy2517 4 years ago 2
you are a dupe, all that black smoke is is ash.
It would take TRILLIONS of those trucks to make the same amount of ash in a minute as a volcano releases in a second.
you are worse than hitler if you think people should be gassed... its better to be a redneck than a liberal communist, go to hell
VettemanC4R 4 years ago 2
wow
hahahahehehehahaha 4 years ago
go the sceamin demon
holden192 4 years ago
cool vid,i wish my truck had the same power as these
farmertrg 4 years ago
If it did you'd be confined to the dirt strip. Can you imagine the fine you'd get for street racing with one of those monsters? LOL
9332931 4 years ago
What Abot no-4? the Conventional!
RussellDetoyato 4 years ago
I'd venture to say Cat 3406.
nevrenufhp 4 years ago
no-1 cumming no-2 detroit no-3 detroit
peterbuilt91 4 years ago
actually, no 3 was a cat
JohnDeereA219 4 years ago
3 Was Dana Lindsey and it has AN KT600 In It!
dalton1040 4 years ago
My Bad Thats #4 With The KT600 In It! Missed the Third Truck!
dalton1040 4 years ago
That first truck....am I listening to a Cummins M11E? Please specify what Cummins engine the first one had....cuz THAT WAS LOVELY!
ENYoriginal 4 years ago
1st is kt600, look on the site..
detroitPOWER 4 years ago
Its a kt600
bgreek 4 years ago
Compete on Street Races with This things without the weight sled and see what happens
RussellDetoyato 4 years ago
dont need supra, i need audi quattro
ladaladaladalada 4 years ago
i dunno, the white smoke is just the diesel when its cold
ladaladaladalada 4 years ago
yes tru but in a failure case the white can indicate a head problem or even an impending turbo failure.coolant as water injection, haha thats funny, but oil can cause, in excessive amounts, runaways and as for why u dont see detroits idunno maybe u will after this post
poppy77 4 years ago
there like all 2 strokes i think. But the 2nd 1 was DEFINATLY one:)
detroitPOWER 4 years ago
The first truck had a Cummins..Second sounded like a 12V71 Detroit and the third may have also been a Detroit.
TechMaven 4 years ago
Love the sound of the 2nd truck with the detroit 2 stroke. Those things scream like nothing else.
jc050 4 years ago
oil, leak would cause runway dieseling
ladaladaladalada 4 years ago
Puto americanos, ¡¡¡ QUE BURROS SOIS !!!
Capa de Ozono:0 - Americano paleto:1
Scania21 4 years ago
hey dieslmechanic i dont think ur right the white smoke could be over fueling you see a piston cant compress water it would damage the head i coul be wrong tho
gypo44 4 years ago
you are right, white smoke can be raw fuel but only in a "cold" engine when the engine is hot it burns and turns black. also white can be antifreeze.but the turbo burns nothin all it does is provide air. water/methanol injection cools intake charge of air. but is not necessary and too much will detonate pistons. read diesel power mag
poppy77 4 years ago
well u know ur stuff more than me cool
gypo44 4 years ago
i dunno why you dont see more detroits in drag diesels
ladaladaladalada 4 years ago
coolant leak is water injection
ladaladaladalada 4 years ago
HOLY SHIT!
iamarevenant 4 years ago
wow thats one mean machine
ketd9 4 years ago
just insane!!!:O
berzinis 4 years ago
hey diesellover the white smoke is from the water being injected into the piston along with diesel to keep the piston from melting...
dieslmechanic 5 years ago
yeah ur right anormal piston can heat to about 2000 to 3000 while a diesel can heat to 7000+ degrees
HTrainprop 4 years ago
Raw POWER in these things, twisting the whole chassis from the torque!
BadAndUgly 5 years ago
the thing was lifitng off the ground
antonella21 5 years ago
good video
casey01316 5 years ago
the white smoke is just raw fuel that turbo aint up enought o burn it yet
diesellover 5 years ago
i want a diesel bad
diesellover 5 years ago
these things could easily turn over backwards if you unhook hte trailer and let them loose, the white smoke is raw fuel and no boost,
diesellover 5 years ago
diesel, nitrous, and lots and lots of fuel and booost, diesel is godd like
diesellover 5 years ago
HOLY HELL those things has a lot of torque!
Mitchd03 5 years ago
duh
cumminsone 5 years ago