An old story: His original name is Su Kwan Ming, he requested grandmaster Wong Hon Fan to give him material of mantis, afterwards Su published his own mantis book with all the materila that WHF gave him. WHF was very engry and pointed out openly that Su copied his mantis book manterial.Later Su changed his name to Su Yuzhang!
Why does Tanglang move so fast (ie. flurry of hand strikes) when in nature, the praying mantis remains still, waiting for it's chance to strike, and then ends it with one move? I mean no disrespect, but you'd think that imitation of the mantis would lend itself to more stillness?
@silentfist862 Not at all. Wong Long when made the system, saw the lack of movement from the Praying Mantis. So he put monkey legs on the system also,
@silentfist862 Animal styles don't try to copy exactly what the animal does (e.g. monkey style doesn't include throwing turds at your opponent). Instead you try to aply the animal aspects that are useful in a fight and mix them with the human body movement. The main aspect to imitate is the spirit of the animal in the fight. In this case, the mantis' ferocity and relentlessness. According to legend, the style was inspired by a fight between a mantis and another insect.
@silentfist862 Either one of the "flurry of hand strikes "that you see can represent one movement. This style emphasis is speed and cruelty in it's movement and strikes, meant to inflict great harm and finality.
@silentfist862 not to mention that this mantis practitioner is failing as many other martial artists do...fast hands hide flaws and give the illusion of expertise. mantis isn't supposed to be like this. type in "porf jou" and see what it's supposed to look like.
@silentfist862 Hi, I just wanted to clarify something, the praying mantis does issue a flurry of strikes when defending itself again larger animals. Don't forget, an "animal" styles usually blend the "flavors" of different animals, like "monkey" footwork with "mantis" handwork. Also keep in mind we are humans and we tend to add our own interpretation so forms labeled as "mantis" have the flavor of the mantis, so speed, signature hand styling etc are highlighted. Your question is valid a one!
That is because this is Northern Mantis. It uses foot work from Ape/Monkey, and lots of hand work form Long Fist, with it's unique mantis hands for the trapping and stuff. The Southern mantis looks more like the actual bug itself.
yes and no, a lot of this form is in the one i am learning, i am also learning parts of other forms and different kung fu forms altogether as well. his name is phoenix and he is a zhao monk.
An old story: His original name is Su Kwan Ming, he requested grandmaster Wong Hon Fan to give him material of mantis, afterwards Su published his own mantis book with all the materila that WHF gave him. WHF was very engry and pointed out openly that Su copied his mantis book manterial.Later Su changed his name to Su Yuzhang!
alextse4 4 months ago
翻天印腳
cellarjudge 1 year ago
How man strikes are in that opening sequence? I'd love to have a copy to watch frame by frame.
butterfly kick off the ground on one arm++
SPKaa 1 year ago
Why does Tanglang move so fast (ie. flurry of hand strikes) when in nature, the praying mantis remains still, waiting for it's chance to strike, and then ends it with one move? I mean no disrespect, but you'd think that imitation of the mantis would lend itself to more stillness?
silentfist862 2 years ago
In actual fighting, it also ends with one strike. Do not confuse forms practice with the essence of mantis.
crane76 2 years ago
@silentfist862 Not at all. Wong Long when made the system, saw the lack of movement from the Praying Mantis. So he put monkey legs on the system also,
marktl82 1 year ago
@silentfist862 Animal styles don't try to copy exactly what the animal does (e.g. monkey style doesn't include throwing turds at your opponent). Instead you try to aply the animal aspects that are useful in a fight and mix them with the human body movement. The main aspect to imitate is the spirit of the animal in the fight. In this case, the mantis' ferocity and relentlessness. According to legend, the style was inspired by a fight between a mantis and another insect.
jigokunoshinigami 1 year ago
@silentfist862 Either one of the "flurry of hand strikes "that you see can represent one movement. This style emphasis is speed and cruelty in it's movement and strikes, meant to inflict great harm and finality.
mumbleora 1 year ago
@silentfist862 not to mention that this mantis practitioner is failing as many other martial artists do...fast hands hide flaws and give the illusion of expertise. mantis isn't supposed to be like this. type in "porf jou" and see what it's supposed to look like.
katsura1982 11 months ago
@katsura1982 This is Master Su Yu Chang. Master Su has learned each of the major styles of Mantis and is recognized as a master all over the world.
mooyingmantis 9 months ago
@silentfist862 Welcome to the internet where everyone is an expert.
Collinmrandomnumbers 9 months ago
@silentfist862 Hi, I just wanted to clarify something, the praying mantis does issue a flurry of strikes when defending itself again larger animals. Don't forget, an "animal" styles usually blend the "flavors" of different animals, like "monkey" footwork with "mantis" handwork. Also keep in mind we are humans and we tend to add our own interpretation so forms labeled as "mantis" have the flavor of the mantis, so speed, signature hand styling etc are highlighted. Your question is valid a one!
Fellini20 6 months ago
@silentfist862
That is because this is Northern Mantis. It uses foot work from Ape/Monkey, and lots of hand work form Long Fist, with it's unique mantis hands for the trapping and stuff. The Southern mantis looks more like the actual bug itself.
RoyalDragonusa 6 months ago
this looks very similar to the style im learning. closest ive seen out of every other video and demonstration i could find.
MightySunTzu 2 years ago
Are u learning Mimen Tanglang? Who is your master?
crane76 2 years ago
yes and no, a lot of this form is in the one i am learning, i am also learning parts of other forms and different kung fu forms altogether as well. his name is phoenix and he is a zhao monk.
MightySunTzu 2 years ago
カキウチ最強
KAKIUCHI69 2 years ago
awsome!
piguahand 3 years ago
Hi,
I was actually sitting on the same side as the one takin the film back in 1999.
Btw, both forms are Lan Jie and not from 8 step mantis. However at the same tournament in 2000, Master Su played Babu Zhai Yi Lu.
oslowutan 3 years ago
Oh thks for pointing out that mistake. May I know Lan Jie belongs to which style of Tanglang?
crane76 3 years ago
This is the Pimen Tanglang version
noda26 3 years ago
Ah yes! I forgot that Master Su was also a disciple of Mimen Tanglang Master Zhang Dekui. I have changed the title accordingly.
crane76 3 years ago
Lan Jie is both in MeiHua and Babu Tanglang.
J0hn4lexB0r 3 years ago
Sorry, I mean Mimen And MeiHua Tang Lang, not Babu. My bad.
J0hn4lexB0r 3 years ago
Hi again,
Just curious, how did you get your hands on the first video of Su shiye?
oslowutan 3 years ago
Let's just say I used to be in the Wutan loop : )
crane76 3 years ago
@J0hn4lexB0r lan jie is also in Seven star
ginabanadab 2 years ago
I know is also seven star. Some forms in Seven Stars and Plum Blossom are the same. Thx for the comment.
J0hn4lexB0r 2 years ago