Charles Ives - Piano Sonata No. 2 "Concord" [1/4] [480p]

[davidleitman]

kind of interesting to hear the viola (?) come out of no where at around the 15min mark

[cuallito]

This is fscking crazy.

[privatecustomer]

Keep looking for performances until you find one that makes sense to you.

[privatecustomer]

Over the years of listening to many different performances the comprehensibilty of this piece rests in the hands of the pianist. I know there is no one way to play any music and sometimes within a rendition I'm not particularly liking there I find real gems. So - with that in mind there is much tonality here we just need to learn how to listen to it. Motives, paraphrased melodies, full blown melodies, this is a masterpiece of content. This is Ives' Emerson in music. Keep listening, 100s of x"s.

[classicalnut1]

I can't really feel the direction of music when it is written in such a through-composed atonal style. I enjoy hearing the jarred rhythms and harmonies, but I sometimes feel personally that the music is not going anywhere (this is especially true in Sorabji's music.) But I do think this is awesome music.

[SergeBach]

Bonjour,

Thank you very much for uploading the music and the score !

Have a Great Joy of Creating,

Serge Bach

[di6na]

Thanks a lot for uploading whit the score ,helps a lot!

[emopz13]

Where is the time signature

[RufusLoacker]

@emopz13 Where is the question mark?

[emopz13]

@RufusLoacker Sorry! Where is the time signature?

[RufusLoacker]

@emopz13 xD in contemporary music the tempo often change bar after bar, depending on the rythm and the emotion of the melody... A composer can write the time signature every time the tempo changes or he can leave blank space, and the musician should study how the accents go through the melody, according to his interpretation of the piece.

Sorry for my English, I hope you can understand ;)

[jkovert]

This piece HAS no soul.

[ThomasLigre]

@jkovert why?

[SnifferOfPuss69]

@jkovert Although I disagree with you, and can perceive some soul behind the music. If on the other hand, and you are correct, and this peice HAS no soul. Perhaps consider whether or not that was the intent?

[jkovert]

@SnifferOfPuss69 Indeed. A lack of soul substitutes for soul.

[thinker93]

who needs barlines!

[KawhackitaRag]

I have a feeling that if I read the complete works of Emerson, I will get a better feel for this piece, too.

[KawhackitaRag]

As a postive note, I like the part beginning at 7:50 (and, more or less, the performance)... I feel there's some nice stuff in there, although it still feels a bit disjointed. Again, I feel you can make almost any piece of music sound better (or more logical) just by PHRASING it correctly.

[KawhackitaRag]

I will listen to some other versions of this sonata before I pass further judgement on this performance. Also, I would eventually like to learn this piece and post my own version, on a mellower old piano, such as a nice Chickering, Estey, or Knabe. One should always put their "money" where their mouth is (in this case, I have a big mouth so I better post an entire performance). Although I have no problem with the giant chords, it will take me ages to learn the fast passages like at 6:18.

[KawhackitaRag]

After being spoiled/enlightened by hearing a recording of Ives' own rendition of the second movement "The Alcotts", I feel this first movement also has some pretty bits (and, in places, entire melodies) which are being buried by this rendition, rather than being brought out to sing above the rest of the clusters, as I think is proper. Ives does not seem to have marked where the melody is supposed to be, but I can make some guesses. Also, I think the piano is voiced FAR too harsh and bright.

[KawhackitaRag]

Although I'm thankful four you uploading this version, complete with the score so we can all follow along, I'm rather disappointed by Alexei Lubimov's performance. Although technically it is correct, I do not hear the SOUL of the piece in this, although Lubimov is doubtlessly accomplishing a personal interpretation here.

[ThomasLigre]

@KawhackitaRag

I know, but i could upload only this version....!

I prefer Gilbert Kalish!

[Cramnella]

I haven't heard this recording before. It's very fine. Thanks for posting.

[wikan93]

Could any here help me analyse this piece? I had been very happy:)

[ZacharySmith89]

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[Unbihexium]

@wikan93 Ives Studies by Philip Lambert (Google Books) p. 27.

[wikan93]

@Unbihexium It's too late now, but thank you anyway.

[DeaconBlues2]

Absolutely wonderful, thank you for sharing this!

[FlyingBlackAndWhite]

cool