The United States Overthrow of Democracy in the Dominican Republic

[ABICUSMC]

we dont disagree on everything though

[miguelpaintball21]

this is bullshit. the CIA never killed Trujillo, it was his own people.They were even persecuted and killed, some of them. Bosch had the most democratic presidency in our history and Balaguer oppressed the people. he was caught cheating 2 times at the elections. If you want the truth you should ask a dominican that knows his history.

[starmanskye]

@miguelpaintball21 -- I'll see your 'bullshit' and raise you nonsense; The CIA has a long, long, long, long, LONG history of covertly overthrowing genuine participatory representative 'democratic' governments arising from popular movements to address systemic corruption, illegitimacy, injustice, oppression, exploitation & political violence. Throughout the 20th century, US foreign policy has unerringly served the ends of capital at the expense of rights, justice & peace. The DR has not escaped.

[miguelpaintball21]

By the way, you know your history just as well as i know mine don't you so STFU.

[espejo81]

@miguelpaintball21 -- You Wrong!!.. the CIA did have Trujillo killed.. they finally admitted it about 4 or five years ago.. look it up... and just b/c you were born in a particular country doesnt entitle you to know all of its history or truth behind it!

[workergirls]

Peace can only be had when the last Nationalist is hanged by his own flag.

Freedom can only be had when the last Capitalist is strangled by the entails of the last Bureaucrat.

Long live to the workers unity !!!

Death to the fascism, capitalism and racism !!!

[TheLeftLibertarian]

Once again, CapitalistHolocaust, you have created another excellent video. Well researched and irrefutable.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Thanks man. Shame it takes so long to research them that I can only bang one video out every 2 or 3 months.

[TheLeftLibertarian]

Yeah, it takes me about a week to make a video but I can do this shit at work! Hell, Im being paid to make YT videos.

[diogeneslaertius666]

My arguments, despite your protests are well founded and not mere idle speculation.

The lack of observation on your part does not constitute a refutation, nor does my lack of desire to furnish you with a sufficient proof.

You expect me to do the work for you.

I will not.

I challenge you to disprove my arguments.

You will not.

seems like an impasse.

[tragictravisty]

someone truly supportive of the spread of information would happily offer proof. the burden of proof is on the person making an assertion.

[diogeneslaertius666]

Thats not true, in fact I am really offended at this point at the apathy and lack of of awareness.

How can students of 21st century neocolonialism be so out of touch?

I refuse to help on matter of principle.

[tragictravisty]

Well for one i'm just recently recovering from years of damage at the hands of the american educational system. i don't disagree with what you say, i'd just like you to back it up. i'm extremely noobish at matters of 21st century colonialism. any book recommendation? (i've got the Web of Debt on the way)

[diogeneslaertius666]

Look, the essential problem is that you are going to have to build up a profile over time.

There is no single book in my opinion which makes a good case. In fact most of the real information is not going to come from a single author, you are better off reading articles, journals, the memoranda of relevant ngo's and foundations etc.

And then of course there is financial data which can be very useful in building up such a profile.

What gets me.

[diogeneslaertius666]

Is how starting from sources such as those discussed in many of the views available at just this channel, the inevitable synthesis remains off-limits.

The preoccupation with low-level entities is All there is.

As if these institutions and agents of political power etc. was each isolated logistically from the rest of the world. My problem is I do not know where to exactly for you to begin.

Thats why I suggested a discrete analysis of commodities, capital and industry.

[diogeneslaertius666]

the road to hell is paved with good intentions?

[tragictravisty]

maybe some of it anyway. I understand that there is no be all, end all book, but some recommended reading would be appreciated none the less. surely you have lists of suggestions? just a few would be helpful.

[mikesbodypolitic]

I don't really understand why you got so upset in the first place. Fighting over who should provide evidence is silly, and someone saying they have a different perspective is not an insult to you. Personally I would agree that power eminates from the wealthy down to political leaders and their appointed governments. Today this is mostly through fascist corporate bodies. I don't think the wealthy are so much organized as are rival mafiosos, but their influence is clearly strong.

[diogeneslaertius666]

You wanna know why I am upset?

Because all this analysis does is leave us with petty nationalistic hatred which is not what we need.

We humans, as a species, must come to realize that our potential has been squandered for thousands of years.

And the only way to do that is to realize that we are merely looking at (in such examples) one small part of a much larger phenomenology, rooted not in some discrete conspiracy, but in an entire culture.

It is that culture we must oppose.

[diogeneslaertius666]

and not low-level entities like the CIA, State Dept., etc.

I merely started out by asking for synthesis, it was the hostility and arrogance of the reaction to my entirely well-intentioned and benign statements conjoined with the sinking realization that such analysis represents a potential dead-end which upsets me.

Has the work of Noam Chomsky brought us closer to destroying the culture which gave ris eto those systems which created such catastrophes?

[diogeneslaertius666]

or has it merely imprisoned our best minds in a gilded cage? replete with apparent rigorousness... while the great work of dismantling the very culture which has bred such monstrosities remains undone?

It is business as usual, entities like the nation state arent even relevant anymore...

and when i said that i was ridiculed and asked for evidence, evidence of something empirically demonstrable through first-order experience.

[diogeneslaertius666]

no good deed goes unpunished.

my entire effort here is a tar baby ffs.

[diogeneslaertius666]

i tried, at least.

i cared enough to try, fuck the results.

[mikesbodypolitic]

Pointing out the result of international power hierarchies is one very important component of resisting elite power in general. The more difficult it becomes for the financial elites of the world to commit crimes against humanity the more impotent they become, and the harder it becomes for them to maintain their power.

Noam Chomsky has done a lot to fight against this culture. He's inspired millions and made the tools to see the truth easy to understand.

[diogeneslaertius666]

Has he? Has he really?

Or has he merely played the role of arbiter for those same forces, handing us an intricate and elaborate maze in which to be lost?

I would suggest to you that the opposite is true. That his oeuvre has created a confused mass of people rebelling against phantasmagoria, a process which ultimately obscures the very culture of global corporatism it purports to attack.

I realize this is a somewhat controversial analysis, nonetheless, I ask you to look closely...

[diogeneslaertius666]

at the intellectuals and culture which have sprung up around his work.

It is to me a dead-end, I might even go so far as to say Chomsky is a gatekeeper of the left.

[mikesbodypolitic]

For me Chomsky's straight forward reliance on verifiable data and clear speaking style and writing approach have lead me to have confidence in my views and an understanding of the society in who's context I've reached them, the media's influence and so on.

Similar views to yours.

I know plenty of people who dislike his style, find him boring ect though. I can dislike someone's style, (for me howard zinn is underwhelming) but recognize that they are my allies politically.

[mikesbodypolitic]

You've become very upset. Sometimes when our expectations of people to interact with us are very rigid we can't deal with setbacks in that communication, and we start to think in very black and white terms. If someone doesn't see things just exactly how we do they must be part of the problem.

If humanity is ever to transcend the current state of hierarchy its going to take a lot of ways of looking at things to build a consensus.

[diogeneslaertius666]

I am 33 years old this year sir, I see the world descending into tyranny and I have been perusing the phenomenology my entire life in one form or another.

I love the way you put this and agree, my intention here was not to raise a stir or to make enemies, and I realize my candor is not wholly appropriate to the ends you have detailed.

On that account I am sorry and have expressed this sentiment elsewhere.

I ask only that my comments be considered.

[mikesbodypolitic]

People who talk about these subjects want referable evidence so they can't be labeled as kooks by the ever present pressure by those opposed to their views.

Sometimes things that are obvious to one person aren't obvious to others. Going a little extra to help someone else understand something you understand shows that you care about what you are talking about and respect the person you're talking to. They may not reciprocate, but as I said people are different.

[diogeneslaertius666]

And where precisely should we start? The vast majority of evidence does not even exist in a format we can access.

We must perform market analysis to even begin to understand what has happened in any of the cases I had referenced regarding similarities between this and other examples of neocolonialism.

the public record is full of corroborative evidence but no proof is even possible at some point, the only real proof is to look at the movements of resources, capital and industry.

[diogeneslaertius666]

and hey i get it you know, its not cool to not provide evidence, but a sufficient provisioning cannot be achieved.

Any piecemeal arguement I might formulate would be just that, piecemeal at best.

The only way to understand this subject is to have a Vast experience, an experience so vast as to defy demonstration imo.

never the less if one set about examining the precepts of my arguement he could easily begin piecing together a pretty daunting paper trail.

just in regards to Mao for instance

[diogeneslaertius666]

you know what really upsets me though, I had come to view the author, from having watched his works, as an ally and potential friend.

the immediate haughty responses i received when i was trying to help just pissed me off.

and at some point it is disheartening to see people like this unable or unwilling to perform the kind of sophisticated synthesis which (imo) our predicament AS A SPECIES, requires.

[diogeneslaertius666]

its fucking tragic to watch someone so intelligent literally lost in the sea of information.

[result321]

Fascists alway install and support fascists. The colour does not matter, red ones, black ones, yellow ones -> same thinking behind it.

We live in a GLOBAL CORPORATE STATE OF FASCISM.

[kaduisaui]

I cannot change the past. The rats who invaded and took over this country did it their way long ago. I feel bad about the human abuses and about what THEY have done. I did not choose to be born here but I love this country. I served, I vote and feel as patriotic as the next.

I never voted for War or global domination. Remember MrSuperpunch019, the option to expand the empire or cut back is never on the ballot.

[SLACKER614]

America has always grown by exploiting others..from Native peoples to overseas peoples...i think america is obsolete

[kaduisaui]

This video is excellent. The music is a little harsh. As a patriotic American this information is hard for me to take. Sadly I have zero reason to doubt it. I feel so bad about what they have done and what they continue to do even to ourselves.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Excuse me, that's my music.

[mopsius]

The US is in collapse and it is a new era in Latin America.

The incompetent US elite is trying to restore the status quo ante--in Honduras and Columbia, for example,, but it will not work.

All of Latin America wants to the US out, not just the Left.

The irony is that neither Bosch nor Arbenz were Communists but simply reformers. And the US does not want reform either.

[tragictravisty]

first video of yours i've gotten around to watching; truly impressive. incredibly succinct and yet incredibly full of information, almost all of which is indisputable. excellent work, i applaud you for it. the kind of stuff that makes you want to smash your head into a wall over and over... it would be fucking hilarious if it wasn't so incredibly annoying and infuriating.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Thanks tragic,

I'm doing a highlights video, to showcase all the last 7 videos I have done, in a few weeks.

They are all part of the series of some of the democracies the US & Britain have overthrown since WWII.

It's taken me a whole year to (almost to the day) to do all the research to complete these videos & to get this next one made.

So hopefully, it should be worth a watch. In the meantime, I recommend my video on the US coup in Indonesia & slaughter of up to 1 million, if you get time.

[diogeneslaertius666]

It is as though the mafia hired a hitman to kill someone.

and an investigator came along and produced an elaborate and detailed forensic analysis of the murder.

the path he walked to kill him, the weapon used, dna samples the whole nine yards, and never asked why and never got to who was behind it all.

They pegged the murder on a convenient front man and produced an elaborate analysis which in fact stands directly in the way of anyone who wants to know why it happened.

[diogeneslaertius666]

its great research its even pilger quality work, but if you go no further and offer no synthesis or analysis, it is Meaningless and in fact Obscures the preconditions. Cant you see that?

[rspawn]

diogenes,

You're not going to convince many people that your view is correct simply by making repeated claims to that effect, even when throwing in some authoritative sounding rudeness.

This video is about one case, one piece of the puzzle. Even if what it describes is really a front for something deeper, that does not mean the case that the video makes is wrong.

[diogeneslaertius666]

This video represents an archaic perspectivism which attaches the motive force to front organizations for what is ultimately a global finance oligarchy.

I am truly sad that a cobbling together of data is as far as you, or your viewers will take this information.

I have attempted to contextualize this event with others which are similar to it in an attempt to describe the landscape of geostrategic designs whose existence is public knowledge.

only to be mocked by the author.

[Irtidad]

Ok I need to reiterate this again since my original comment was lame and short. It's truly amazing the kind of research you bring to light in your videos. It must take a tremendous amount of work and research, I don't know how you do it. It's especially important for many of the US's covert operations in Latin America since these are largely covered up or forgotten, or if exposed then shrouded in a veil of legitimization.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Thanks for that Irtidad.

I see you are subscribed to mr1001nights and buddahgem. Have you checked out their radio show 'the authority smashing hour'?

[diogeneslaertius666]

having other people agree with you will not justify your attack on someone who is for all intents and purposes both your friend and ally.

you should be ashamed of yourself.

noam chomsky doesnt even think 9-11 was false flag terrorism. maybe there is something lacking in an atavistic view which presumes the nation states are not somehow subordinates of a more complete and deterministic initiative.

its like you blame the pitbull and ignore its master, the master who raised it to kill.

[diogeneslaertius666]

thats a completely bullshit read, I have written extensively merely trying to express my views in an effort to help make the piece seem less blind.

genuinely trying to help.

and from word fucking one I have met with nothing but hostility.

[diogeneslaertius666]

If you are both comfortable with this framework for analysis fine, you deserve the conclusions it will produce.

Can't you see the inherent flaw of this method of analysis, or even speak to my my point?

instead I see the same sort of ad hominem and dissimulation ive come to expect from the MSM.

neither of you so much as addressed my chief concern and the reason why i said anything to begin with.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Nothing you say will distract from the fact that I simply asked you for peer reviewed evidence to back up your claims that an international banking cartel placed people like Suharto, Mao & Hitler into power & you took offense.

If evidence exists from the internal record, like you say, then provide links.

There is nothing insulting in this request & the only possible way anyone could feel insulted by this, is if they had a superiority complex & felt their point of view shouldn't be questioned.

[diogeneslaertius666]

I have no problem with the request other than I will not do your homework for you.

You insulted me by claiming that such evidence does not exist when the burden of proof is on you.

After yourself clearly admitting numerous similarities between the cases presented which was one of my claims... a claim well documented.

it is absurd for you to even ask for peer reviewed material which is readily available.

[tragictravisty]

i don't think that anybody's disputing that the U.S. is run by a plutocracy, but that is much harder to provide proof for than stuff found on the public record. also, i think that the goal of videos like these is to show that our government is corrupt to the core, and that the idea of calling it a democracy is rather laughable. if that can be established and recognized by the masses, the collapse of the plutocracy would surely follow.

[RootsRadish]

Just look at the privately owned Federal Reserve, that should be all the proof anyone should need, although there is much more proof out there if anyone is in doubt.

[tragictravisty]

i would be interested anyway for you to provide links/reading, etc. showing that the world is run by corporations, although i do not dispute what you say.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

How is the burden of proof upon ME to provide evidence for YOUR claims (that a secret banking cartel installed both Communist & Capitalist dictators & runs the world)?

[diogeneslaertius666]

Theres no secret to it, you know damn well, drop the fucking pretense bro, your adducement itself misrepresents my suggestion.

And the onus is on you because you deny what is readily apparent to the senses, documented in the public record and advancing day by day in front of your very eyes.

I am not referring to some discrete event structure, like the overthrowing of a government, a cumulative grouping of such analyses itself merely serves as a primer for this field of inquiry.

[diogeneslaertius666]

my friend you are lost studying the intricacies of the cell biology of a single tree in a vast forest while berating me for doing little more than asking you to address the nature of the forest in which those trees reside.

You have repeatedly waved off my assertions without, I think, seriously addressing them on your own via some form of synthesis.

You have clearly studied enough subject material to draw such inferences and yet you reject the very notion of it, out-of-hand.

[jackp6]

United States of Agression and the United Nazi's runned and sponsored by the Rothschild Banksters, Rockefeller Maffia and their Zionist and Bilderberg Allies.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

There is a big difference between manipulated agents carrying out a specifically planned operation & autonomous individuals who seek their own goals & possibly receive some support at some stage from those who sympathize with their goals.

Ho Chi Minh received support from Moscow but that did not mean he was an agent of Moscow carrying out their plans as the US claimed.

Hitler did receive some business support & funding at certain points, but where is the evidence he was a controlled asset?

[juliaisafilmbuff123]

I know a lot of people from the Dominican Republic. Most of them are my age and have never heard this part of their history. May they know.

[Steveguyatrocket]

Let me quote Bob Dylan.. "Democracy don't rule the World...you'd better get that in your head...this World is ruled by Violence...but I guess that's better left Unsaid " (Sundown on the Union/Infidels Album)

[Ronronron99]

Nice video, CH

[rikestard]

fuck democracy , long live the republic!!!!!

[standmanmike]

fuckin imperialistic usa...it is a fascist country and must be destroyed for good...it is the mother-whore of capitalism...DEATH TO ALL CAPITALISTS !!

[hyso47]

Excellent Video, loved it as usual, keep up the good work :D

[KentAllard]

Chapter 29 of Killing Hope would be another good source.

[Irtidad]

Absolutely fantastic, as usual.

[diogeneslaertius666]

to make a final and conclusive characterization:

nixon, nixon's administration, the entire state department are all puppets.

look at iran-contra, we had and obviously Have an entire parallel government operating alongside the apparent one, with its own military capacity, funding capability and policy initiatives.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Iran-contra?

Because the U.S. government wanted to fight the war in Nicaragua secretly, the CIA had to fund itself illegally, as it often does with drugs & guns.

The trade of arms with Iran also doubled up as an attempt to get in touch with more moderate elements in Iran as the money was used to help destroy the Sandanistas.

[diogeneslaertius666]

But you need to understand that the governmental apparatus is exposed to and is manipulated by supranational forces.

that the event structures we are analyzing in any of these cases occur within that larger context of manipulation.

what youve described here is essentially the standard "read" on the events. but it goes much deeper than this.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Be more specific.

What exactly are you trying to say happened in the Iran/Contra affair?

That 'supernational forces' were attempting to arm & support the Iranian revolution through the proxy of the U.S. covert forces?

[KentAllard]

Actually if you read Out Of Control by Leslie Cockburn you'll find it was a very haphazard affair

[diogeneslaertius666]

trujillo = suharto = pol pot = mao = hitler

the list is endless. and the playbook is always nearly identical.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

How is Suharto similar to Mao?

Suharto was trained by Indonesian Military Officers who had been trained in economics by the U.S. ready for the coup. Then the U.S. sent death lists & support for the slaughter of up to a million people to aid Suharto's overthrow of Sukarno & let U.S., British & Australian corporations back in.

Mao certainly didn't open up China to U.S. corporations.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

How is Trujillo similar to Pol Pot?

Trujillo was trained in the U.S. created constabulary & seized power with their support & opened the country to U.S. investment.

Pol Pot came to power in Cambodia after the U.S. supported Lon Nol's forces & killed around 600,000 people there. Pol Pot hated the U.S. & shut the country down to the West. No U.S. investment there.

[diogeneslaertius666]

Mao and Suharto like others in the list, are nurtured into existence by capital funneled to them by the same global banking cartel.

In fact China and Indonesia were quite literally set up as production test beds. they serve today as a virtual laboratory and industrial base for that cartel.

The "U.S." and "mao" are just operable nodes within a network being manipulated and moved like pieces on some kind of grand chessboard...

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Wow, that's quite some claim. I do hope you are going to provide me with peer reviewed sources of evidence to back up this claim.

[diogeneslaertius666]

Sir, thats insulting, I am a subscriber, I have tolerated your attitude until now but I Must take umbrage.

Are you implying that this information is not in the public record? Or that I am just making specious "claims"

HAVE YOU FUCKING READ WHAT I WROTE AT ALL MAN?

ok fine, fuck it, enjoy your comfortable textbook history channel reality, enjoy being manipulated into the controlled paradigm of nationalistic opposition.

your analysis is weak.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Insulting to ask for peer reviewed evidence? Why?

There certainly is no internal documentary evidence that shows that a banking cartel is purposefully puppeteering tyrants like Mao into existence.

If there is, give us links to it.

Failing acknowledgments from an internal official record, we must turn to scholarship & journalism for evidence & sources.

Since such sources are often biased, the rigorous standards that peer review provides makes for a more scientific approach.

[Irtidad]

Hmm, this sounds more like a personal problem to me.

Or rather, by saying "I am a subscriber," this is somewhat like saying "I am a customer" and you demand to be served as a customer with whatever you want, and when you don't receive what you want you complain.

[OHiOfiOviriiO]

This was the funniest post I've read. Thanks!

Try reading your argument with the video uploader again, objectively. You'll find that he only asked you to provide evidence, and you couldn't provide any; the resulting frustration made you lash out in a quite funny manner. Lol.

By the way, "truthers" like yourself are no different from religious fundamentalists. The whole "birther" movement should have made clear the deficit in your equally laughable movement's logic.

[diogeneslaertius666]

wtf is funny about people being oblivious to an empirically validated perspective.

the fact that i will not take 2-3 years to formulate a sufficiently robust argument does not invalidate the perspective.

I refuse, on matter of principle, to furnish you with evidence you could easily procure yourself.

What you have done is to attack me rather than to attempt to disprove my claims.

I can provide evidence, I simply refuse to because it is so readily available.

[OHiOfiOviriiO]

There is no evidence, and the whole "vast conspiracy" theory is not empirically (or logically) validated. There are seemingly millions of people such as yourself who go on believing in something just for the entertainment value. It's a kind of insanity, I think. It's such flawed belief-making that leads islamic terrorists to kill literally hundreds of people everyday on this Earth - they also believe in a vast (cosmic) conspiracy.

As a Marxist, I'd like to end all such opiate-induced idiocy.

[diogeneslaertius666]

Simply review the activities of the world bank with regard to china. india and the US over the last 6 decades. Look at the policy memoranda of institutions like the trilateral commission.

better yet, look specifically at the manipulation of the global economy with regard to shifting production to "nation-states" which were systematically crippled in the last century.

Go and review the activities of a single corporation even like IBM

you wont, you prefer your delusional world view

[diogeneslaertius666]

and you will still be acting like a fucking child and insulting people long after its too late for us to really do anything.

long after china or some other "nation-state" replaces the US as the puppet bulldog of the same, absolutely real, cartel of global corporatists.

[diogeneslaertius666]

Readily Available.

Does that phrase confuse you?

Take specific note of the tone and demeanor of your very commentary.

That is what initially provoked me, the same dehortatory and insipid "you are a conspiracy theorist" attitude from the (once admired) author of this piece.

[OHiOfiOviriiO]

dehortatory?

OK, now you just remind me of north korean propaganda...

your word choice is almost as hilarious as your thinking.

[diogeneslaertius666]

your continued insults in no way constitute a refutation.

[diogeneslaertius666]

For want of a mere hour or two of effort on your part you see fit to drag an honest man's name through the mud?

Do you really think you are correct?

The movement of Resources, Capital, and Capacity is Well-Documented.

I defy you to refute it.

You cannot, all you can do is to put your fingers in your fucking ears like a child and shout "nyah nyah nyah, you cant prove it"

Go spend 2 decades doing financial journalism then come talk to me you fucking imbecile.

[OHiOfiOviriiO]

Wow, if you've done two decades of financial journalism, i'm about to have lower respect for financial journalists.

I'm not going to take an hour of "effort" to _try_ to see it your way. In fact I still have no idea what your way even is! Like most conspiracy theorists, you're not very clear. Are you blaming the illuminati? the jews? martians? who??

... Don't answer that, as it wouldn't matter. any answer is equally batshit insane.

[diogeneslaertius666]

again, just patent denial.

you refuse to acknowledge the evidence which exists in abundance.

you probably believe in the Chinese "miracle"

and while you are quibbling over what should be a rudimentary analysis, the same phenomenology repeats itself ad nauseum.

While you are preoccupied with regurgitating the work of people like noam chomsky, the same forces will continue to use low-level entities like the US to conduct neocolonialism.

[KentAllard]

Mao was installed by a "global banking cartel"?

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Yes, but he's refusing to provide any links to sources of evidence, even though he's adamant it exists.

[diogeneslaertius666]

Excellent video, If I could just make one point.

I think it is more accurate to understand this situation if one realizes that it is not the U.S. that did this or any of it.

The U.S. has been used as a vehicle of finance oligarchy to crush democracy all over the world before it could ever form republics. Follow the money, and look to the IMF World Bank as strategic bodies and foundations, CFR, Trilateral et al as directors of operations.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Trilateral commission is just one of many interest groups vying to influence Washington. The IMF is a puppet of the U.S. (even when there is a European director on the board).

The U.S. corporations always get the main share of the investments in such U.S. overthrown countries (with other Western allies coming second) & the U.S. State profits handsomely.

The Corporations & the U.S. state are allied & have vested interests, but ultimate control lies with the U.S. presidency.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Talk about Trialateral & Bilderberg control over the U.S. is conservative patriotic propaganda designed to deflect attention from the REAL culprits, our OWN GOVERNMENTS & States.

Yes they are heavily influenced & manipulated by corporate interests, but they are not controlled.

[diogeneslaertius666]

Our federal government is clearly corrupt as are the states to varying degrees, the structure itself is sick, certainly.

However, to peg any of the activity on the "U.S.", is to me as flawed as blaming "Britain". In my view regional governments are subordinate to a process, a culture of global corporatism.

It is that culture, and not its by products which must be identified as the real enemy.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Being more specific about corporations, the biggest to profit from the Dominican Republic was the U.S. owned company Gulf & Western.

But it is not only Corporations that profit from U.S. dominance in Latin America. The U.S. economy relied heavily on raw materials from the region & still does.

We the people, our living standards, benefit greatly from our govts dominance of the third world. We too could be said to have vested interests in maintaining that dominance.

[diogeneslaertius666]

absolutely, the people of the Dominican republic have been plundered of their right to their own resources and moreover have been literally enslaved. it is a horrible state of affairs, the standard of living is nowhere near what it should be, but the country has been economically and logistically raped.

[diogeneslaertius666]

Given the depth and rigor of your analysis presented here and elsewhere i find it hard to believe you are really so naive.

[diogeneslaertius666]

I think my point really and overarching message would be to look at corporations, the states, the fed, and all of these institutions as being integers in a larger integral system over which none of them specifically has control.

Indeed it seems to me the reverse is true, that each of these bodies,. be it the CFR or federal government or the Fed, operate in much the way one would expect subordinates to, the question which looms is always to me: subordinate to whom.

[ACriticalState]

The crown perhaps?

[diogeneslaertius666]

Again, to be clear I really liked the video.

And I would suggest that there is a high-level logical apparatus at work, be it a culture of persons, a distinct agenda or what have you.

At the very least it is a confluence of interest and we must understand and make it absolutely clear, that the people who make up the citizenry of any particular nation state are often slaves to a system over which they have only the illusion of control themselves.

[diogeneslaertius666]

very often to protect corporate interests yes, but the corporations themselves merely rush in to fill gaps created by larger systems of trade regulation etc.

[diogeneslaertius666]

Trilateral is, and I have described them thusly.

The IMF may appear to be a puppet of the U.S. but is really just a branch office of a larger cartel of banking interests which operate on a global scale.

I agree about the corporations, but we must be CLEAR. We do not mean the U.S., we mean the federal government, and we recognize that the federal government itself is a puppet of supranational forces.

[diogeneslaertius666]

furthermore, i think it is vital to speak precisely about which corporations wherever possible.

I personally despise corporate law, I think we should nix the law and dismantle corporations, but I have written extensively on this elsewhere and so shall not reprise my own ideas regarding it.

suffice it to say that corporations are, in my opinion, inherently wicked institutions.

[diogeneslaertius666]

the reason I say all this is I am terribly sad.

I have watched neo colonialism in all its forms for 2 decades now and I have ravenously studied world history with particular attention to this area.

And I see centuries of the same gross, inhuman exploitation of the world and of people.

Specifically regarding U.S. activities - from indonesia to chile, to nicaragua and dominican republic the case is the same. force to destroy genuine vox populi.