Saul of Tarsus came into conflict with the Christian community of his time. He too, like the Pharisees of whom he was a one, believed that God is one and not three separate persons in one Godhead. Did the Christian community take revenge and murder him for his erroneous beliefs? No Christian has the right to kill anyone, no matter to whatever belief system he belongs. The Christian duty is to present them with the Gospel. Calvinists do not know what repentance and faith UNTO SALVATION means.
Michael Servetus" If i have spoken, it is for saying i think it is wront to kill a person for defending an idea, for even teh great ones have commited mistakes. If so , we would have to burn mortals a thousand times. Nobody recognizes its own mistakes, let god provide us wisedom to see ours."............ and also " To kill a man is not to defend a doctrine, it is to kill a man"
Luther king cheated on his wife, and Polansky raped a person. Lets be fair, it was bad, worse than calvinists think , though I still think Calvin was somehow sorry inside, and thats why he wrote and wrote and wrote about how bad servetus was, after his death.
All theology apart , Calvin acted realy bad with Servetus. None sais it would be a bad man. But men who do great things can make mistakes too, Dikens, Rousseau, Einstein ( chauvinist). But sincerely , he was the orchestrator of the persecution of Servetus. And the truth is he planned it for years, 3 years before 1553. And yes, it is a big bad action of a big intellectual. What is the problem with that.
Calvin betrayed Servetus, ( by the way new information and documents proof his true name was Michel de Villeneuve, Servetus was a name used for theological aspects or confronting conflict) Calvin insulted servetus a lot, attacked hiim untill he got to murder him, and attacked him after he was dead. Calvin also lied saying thatin the letters he sent to the Vienne Isere, was saying that the writte was De Villeuve and Servetus, but none of this names ever appear, It is a lie.
...that Calvin in 1536 in the Institutes said the trinity doctrine was "invented" by the church to combat Arianism, but all that was essential was to keep in mind that God had three "properties" (not personages) of Father, Son and Spirit. Servetus had said a very similar thing. Calvin in the 1537 heresy trial was accused of being a follower of Servetus...." in Servetus and Calvin: Was It Murder By Calvin?
"...Likewise, Calvin in 1535 omitted the term "trinity" or "persons" from the Geneva Confession of Faith[21] which similarly served to replace the Athanasian Creed within the Genevan Reformed church. In 1537, Calvin was confronted later as having an antitrinitarian heresy in a church hearing held by Bucer at Strasbourg. ...Part of the evidence against Calvin in the hearing was...
"In 1563, Calvin wrote in the Letter to the Polish Brethren that the term "trinity" was a barbarism, and he would not suggest praying to it. Elsewhere, Calvin said the Nicene Creed was due to the "fanatical" Nicene fathers who invented a creed that was more "suitable as a song than a creed." In Servetus & Calvin: Was It Murder by Calvin?
Calvin in 1561 letter to the Marquis Paet, high chamberlain to King of Navarre:
"Honour, glory, and riches shall be the reward of your pains; but above all, do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels, who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard."
"[Servetus] takes it upon him to come hither, if it be agreeable to me. But I am unwilling to pledge my word for his safety, for if he shall come, I shall never permit him to depart alive, provided my authority be of any avail." Calvin to Farel, 1546. Case closed.
Calvin still reported his "friend" to the magistrates, so it doesn't absolve him in my eyes. Worse than Calvin was Martin Luther, who persecuted THREE of his former friends to death, and who encouraged his fellow Lutheran pastors to pursue heretics.
@xander I hadn't heard as much about Luther :( I HOPE Luther repented at some point??? Those who don't believe or who refuse to believe that Calvin took credit for Servetus' death are not researching what Calvin said by HIS OWN pen:
"If he [Servetus] comes [to Geneva], I shall never let him go out alive if my authority has weight."
"I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed upon him"
"Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard."
For to which of the angels did God ever say"You are my Son today I have become your Father? Or again"I will be his Father, and he will be my Son this verse destroys the trinity doctrine all byitself, the trinity believes that the Son was eternal but here it states that the Son had a begening God in prophesy says he will Father the flesh his Son not that he already has a Son next to him in heaven.today i have begotin dee its the prophesy in psalms. and hebrews
@gypsytellingthetruth Yes. And Johns' gospel lays it out as: "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God...the Word BECAME flesh and dwelt among us as the only begotten son." After reading Servetus' own writings it becomes clear that he did believe the Word who became flesh was eternal.
Here is what Servetus said by his own pen:
"I shall admit these three things: first, this man is JESUS CHRIST; second, he is the Son of God; third, he is God."
"CHRIST, the Son of man, who descended from heaven, was the Word by uttering which God created the world. He became flesh as God's firstborn, and was the Son of God. He was both human and divine. God's Spirit, moving all things, operates within us as the Holy Spirit, which is a person of the Godhead. It proceeds from the Son, not as a separate being but as a ministering spirit. It is holy, one of three persons in the Godhead, and sanctifies us by dwelling within us."
@rclamb04 no it is not opinion. There is no such thing as freewill. The myth of freewill doesn't even come from the bible. It comes from man! The Bible teaches that we all are enslaved to the passions and desires of our corrupt heart. It would be impossible for anyone to choose God freely. The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile toward God!
@rclamb04 That is not true, John Calvin was a great preacher of the Gospel. He is right up there with Charles Stanley, Billy Sunday, John Wesley, George Whitefield, etc...
Saul of Tarsus came into conflict with the Christian community of his time. He too, like the Pharisees of whom he was a one, believed that God is one and not three separate persons in one Godhead. Did the Christian community take revenge and murder him for his erroneous beliefs? No Christian has the right to kill anyone, no matter to whatever belief system he belongs. The Christian duty is to present them with the Gospel. Calvinists do not know what repentance and faith UNTO SALVATION means.
lessingtom 1 month ago
google : discovered-new-works-and-true-identity-of-michael-servetus-proofs .you will get the scoop it
manwe1983 1 month ago
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manwe1983 1 month ago
for the true identity of Servetus ( Miguel de Villanueva) and also his 10 new works, u can check this scoop it ,
manwe1983 1 month ago
Poor man, indeed, the world did not administrate for him the same justice he wanted for the others.
manwe1983 1 month ago
Michael Servetus" If i have spoken, it is for saying i think it is wront to kill a person for defending an idea, for even teh great ones have commited mistakes. If so , we would have to burn mortals a thousand times. Nobody recognizes its own mistakes, let god provide us wisedom to see ours."............ and also " To kill a man is not to defend a doctrine, it is to kill a man"
manwe1983 1 month ago
Luther king cheated on his wife, and Polansky raped a person. Lets be fair, it was bad, worse than calvinists think , though I still think Calvin was somehow sorry inside, and thats why he wrote and wrote and wrote about how bad servetus was, after his death.
manwe1983 1 month ago
All theology apart , Calvin acted realy bad with Servetus. None sais it would be a bad man. But men who do great things can make mistakes too, Dikens, Rousseau, Einstein ( chauvinist). But sincerely , he was the orchestrator of the persecution of Servetus. And the truth is he planned it for years, 3 years before 1553. And yes, it is a big bad action of a big intellectual. What is the problem with that.
manwe1983 1 month ago
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manwe1983 1 month ago
Calvin betrayed Servetus, ( by the way new information and documents proof his true name was Michel de Villeneuve, Servetus was a name used for theological aspects or confronting conflict) Calvin insulted servetus a lot, attacked hiim untill he got to murder him, and attacked him after he was dead. Calvin also lied saying thatin the letters he sent to the Vienne Isere, was saying that the writte was De Villeuve and Servetus, but none of this names ever appear, It is a lie.
manwe1983 1 month ago
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They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
John 16:2-3
Mcfirefly2 2 months ago
They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
John 16:2-3
Mcfirefly2 2 months ago
...that Calvin in 1536 in the Institutes said the trinity doctrine was "invented" by the church to combat Arianism, but all that was essential was to keep in mind that God had three "properties" (not personages) of Father, Son and Spirit. Servetus had said a very similar thing. Calvin in the 1537 heresy trial was accused of being a follower of Servetus...." in Servetus and Calvin: Was It Murder By Calvin?
Mcfirefly2 2 months ago
"...Likewise, Calvin in 1535 omitted the term "trinity" or "persons" from the Geneva Confession of Faith[21] which similarly served to replace the Athanasian Creed within the Genevan Reformed church. In 1537, Calvin was confronted later as having an antitrinitarian heresy in a church hearing held by Bucer at Strasbourg. ...Part of the evidence against Calvin in the hearing was...
Mcfirefly2 2 months ago
"In 1563, Calvin wrote in the Letter to the Polish Brethren that the term "trinity" was a barbarism, and he would not suggest praying to it. Elsewhere, Calvin said the Nicene Creed was due to the "fanatical" Nicene fathers who invented a creed that was more "suitable as a song than a creed." In Servetus & Calvin: Was It Murder by Calvin?
Mcfirefly2 2 months ago
Calvin in 1561 letter to the Marquis Paet, high chamberlain to King of Navarre:
"Honour, glory, and riches shall be the reward of your pains; but above all, do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels, who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard."
Mcfirefly2 2 months ago
"[Servetus] takes it upon him to come hither, if it be agreeable to me. But I am unwilling to pledge my word for his safety, for if he shall come, I shall never permit him to depart alive, provided my authority be of any avail." Calvin to Farel, 1546. Case closed.
TennesseeOwnsMyBones 10 months ago
Calvin still reported his "friend" to the magistrates, so it doesn't absolve him in my eyes. Worse than Calvin was Martin Luther, who persecuted THREE of his former friends to death, and who encouraged his fellow Lutheran pastors to pursue heretics.
xander7ful 1 year ago
@xander I hadn't heard as much about Luther :( I HOPE Luther repented at some point??? Those who don't believe or who refuse to believe that Calvin took credit for Servetus' death are not researching what Calvin said by HIS OWN pen:
"If he [Servetus] comes [to Geneva], I shall never let him go out alive if my authority has weight."
"I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed upon him"
"Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard."
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
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For to which of the angels did God ever say"You are my Son today I have become your Father? Or again"I will be his Father, and he will be my Son this verse destroys the trinity doctrine all byitself, the trinity believes that the Son was eternal but here it states that the Son had a begening God in prophesy says he will Father the flesh his Son not that he already has a Son next to him in heaven.today i have begotin dee its the prophesy in psalms. and hebrews
gypsytellingthetruth 1 year ago
@gypsytellingthetruth Yes. And Johns' gospel lays it out as: "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God...the Word BECAME flesh and dwelt among us as the only begotten son." After reading Servetus' own writings it becomes clear that he did believe the Word who became flesh was eternal.
Here is what Servetus said by his own pen:
"I shall admit these three things: first, this man is JESUS CHRIST; second, he is the Son of God; third, he is God."
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies how come john is always misunderstood by murderous triniterians?
apopyalips 10 months ago
@gypsy
Servetus:
"CHRIST, the Son of man, who descended from heaven, was the Word by uttering which God created the world. He became flesh as God's firstborn, and was the Son of God. He was both human and divine. God's Spirit, moving all things, operates within us as the Holy Spirit, which is a person of the Godhead. It proceeds from the Son, not as a separate being but as a ministering spirit. It is holy, one of three persons in the Godhead, and sanctifies us by dwelling within us."
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
I have a problem with Calvin's Trinity and Infant Baptism and with Servetus' human deification.
denn034 1 year ago
John calvin was the heritic and a murderer
rclamb04 1 year ago
@rclamb04 YOUR AN IDIOT
reformedbro1 1 year ago
@reformedbro1 that is your opinion you decieved moran
rclamb04 1 year ago
@rclamb04 no it is not opinion. There is no such thing as freewill. The myth of freewill doesn't even come from the bible. It comes from man! The Bible teaches that we all are enslaved to the passions and desires of our corrupt heart. It would be impossible for anyone to choose God freely. The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile toward God!
NB3K 1 year ago
@rclamb04 stupid ass dont know shit
reformedbro1 1 year ago
@rclamb04 if you stand on free will easy beliveism , your the moran, and do not see the sovriegnty of GOd moran
reformedbro1 1 year ago
@reformedbro1
If you call people "morons", DO NOT misspell "moron" twice, much less "you're" as in "you're the moron"....much less God.
Oh my....Reformed brethren are to do EVERYTHING to the glory of God!
olabashanda 1 year ago
@rclamb04 That is not true, John Calvin was a great preacher of the Gospel. He is right up there with Charles Stanley, Billy Sunday, John Wesley, George Whitefield, etc...
ArmorOfGodMinistries 1 year ago