Make a metal comb because in the way that U are going you are creating Edie currents! read a bit about it! it will give U tons of Ideas about it! Good luck!
per the laws of thermodynamics this will never work. Parasitic friction alone will stop the motion but even with frictionless surfaces there is still drag. Perhaps if you could use friction free surfaces (don't exist) in a perfect vacuum (probably impossible) this would spin for a long time... but you won't ever get more energy out of it then you put in initially when you start it spinning.
I have a couple other ideas no this. Look up "Occupy Electrons!" on Facebook. Like you, I also have machinist capabilities and will be building a dual axis design, but they will be set to rotate in the same direction and geared together.
@jtridexter Hi I did change the metal gears to plastic because they were becoming magnetic, and the spindles were non magnetic stainless. The previous comment from Stefan suggested to make the distances adjustable so today I made some more gears to space out the spindles. I am still 99.99% positive that it won't work but I had nothing to do so I thought I would do a video on how to make the gears anyway, which I am hoping to upload tonight. Regards Tim
@themetalcutter it does not work because your little steel plate does not "shield" the magnets from one another... The magnetic fields pass through steel more easily then the surrounding air. This causes more magnetic field lines to pass through the plate clsoer together. The fields of both magnets still interact within the plate however... And the magnets are also pulled back to the plate after being moves away. Ultimately it is no different weather the plate is there or not.
to get this to work you need a very fine tuneable setup, where you can test various thicknesses of metals between the 2 wheels and at least a 1/10th of a millimeter adjustable gaps and distances..
Also you need a "v" shaped thickness varying metal between the magnet wheels...
Still a lot to finetune in your setup. If it would be so easy, there would already dozens of motors running...
@overunitydotcom Hi there is plenty of adjustment between the wheels about 6mm, I made some sleeves to fit the bearings in and the bearings fit into them off centre so I can turn the sleeves to move the wheels and gears together. You can see them in the video. Thanks for the comment though.
You just can´t do this by holding the iron shield just in your hands...
It must be much bigger and "v" shaped and must be adjustable all
in at least 1/10 mm distances... Also the iron thickness plays a major role and the iron material BH magnetisation curve.. It is very complicated to setup and adjust... Good luck ! Regards, Stefan.
At one point, you have the "shielding" placed across the entire cross-section between the two sets of magnets. The concept requires that the shielding only be present across a portion of it. Second, the magnets seem offset; wouldn't maximum repulsive force be pole-to-pole? Third, magnet strength - sufficient for purpose?
Of course, even if this were to work, you couldn't extract usable power from it.
@Bandaloope Hi thanks for the comment, I only pushed the sheilding right through both sides of the device just to show that the repelling effects of the magnets were still there, you could see that because of the rocking motion just before it stopped. Your second point that the magnets were offset is not true, these were drilled using whats called a dividing attatchment on a milling machine and lined up perfectly. Thirdly,I used neodymium magnets which are the strongest you can get.
There's a reason why it doesn't work the way you built it. You lack the knowledge of quantum physics and your setup is missing a key element of the theory. Second law of thermodynamics doesn't use magnetism in it's theory so it doesn't apply. Third, the original thought, the designer had a different idea than what you're trying to reproduce. He also has other ways of bending the rules of the second law of thermodynamics, amongst many other revolutionary ideas that are already proven.
@ themetalcutter Never say Never. it works , but it is to small.try again and again . people who say it will never work thy don`t try it them selfs. and like to stop you from doing. think simpel .
I'm not saying it does work, but there are several problems with your model. If you want to give it a serious try, make the entire system aside from the magnets lighter than the magnets themselves. Something like thin non magnetic alloy or aluminum. Then remember you would need to finely calibrate the shield inbetween presumably to a fine point towards the top rather than just a random piece of metal inbetween the two.
it looks as if it is off by one cog, besides you dont want to use repulsion because thats what wears out magnets, why not make a system that uses attraction such as in a pendulum that follows a ever increasing strength of magnets to the left and also to the right but have repulsion be at dead center. Then you can turn that pendulum to rotary motion or make it do work with a 2 stage ossocilator design. ? That way you are creating a perpetual pendulum and put coils on the bob of the pendulum also.
Well, first off. Your spacing may be to far between the magets, thats why you need bigget wheels, to give them more pushing distance. your already past the pirme repelling distance of the magnets.
Second. Your, shielding needs to be V shaped to provide a proper "neutrual" point to confuse the polls long enough to get it just past the point where the magnets are closests.
Third. I don't know if this will make a differnce, but you could swith the pole of everyother magnet from NNN to NSN
I got here from Desertphile's page. I enjoy watching him take apart the arguments of the overunity quacks, but I must say that you seem very sensible and normal even though you built a machine that you must have known wouldn't work. I don't mind that you built it anyway. What I really like is that you built it, tested it, and stated clearly "it doesn't work".
Hi thanks for your comment, I didn't think building the thing would spark so many arguments about people wasting there time after all it's my time that i'm wasting, I enjoyed building it and even though it is reasonably well engineered I still added more magnetic discs and changed the design just to prove that it's not the mechanism that won't work it's the whole principle that is wrong.
@themetalcutter - Yes - testing the principle by actually making something is perfectly fine. We don't all grasp things through chalkboard equations. I wouldn't even mind if someone tries to build a time machine, as long they admit it doesn't work when it doesn't work then it's all well and good. The problem with the OU quacks is they'll build something that doesn't do ANYTHING whatsoever, point at it smugly and say SEE!! Their stupidity tries the patience.
@themetalcutter Yes the magnetic field goes right through a thin piece of aluminum. You would need a really thick piece of aluminum to act as a shield but of course there isn't enough space to do that. So nice idea but....
P.S. nice fob on the gears. You can probably use the setup on a traditional motor drive unit. Twin spindles that turn opposite directions?
@altgenesis123 - aluminium won't work a s a shield for two reasons. 1. Aluminium does'nt block the magnetic field. 2. Shields don't work no matter what they're made from.
@themetalcutter Hello Metal Cutter. I have looked at this concept aswell, it looks good on paper but look at this different one, it basically used a car wheel to create a lot more torque and he manages to get it going, check this ; watch?v=naE6_-lc1jk
You reckon wrong. There is no way that this can work. If you can make a statement like you made, you clearly don't understand what energy really is. If you understood energy, you'd never make that statement.
You do know what would happen *IF* someone did create a machine that could produce more energy than it consumes, right? It would create a black hole that would collapse the Earth. But fear not of black holes. Making that kind of machine is like making 2+2=5. It can't be done.
You say using my theory, a magnet on a metal wall would cause trouble? Fucktwit, we all know since childhood that you can put a magnet on a metal wall and it'll stay there. How could you think that I'd have a problem with it?
The black hole issue IS rubbish, true, because it CANNOT HAPPEN! You can't get more energy output than input any more than you can make 2+2=5. If you could, sorry fucktwit, but yes, it would cause a black hole. You're just too stupid to understand energy.
Oh, my. And I just called you stupid in my last post. Sorry about that. I just looked at your channel, and saw your videos and favorites on "new world order" conspiracies, "secret cancer cures suppressed by the government" conspiracies, "free energy" magnet machine con jobs, etc. Yeah, sorry, I was wrong. Stupidity isn't your problem.
INSANITY is your problem.
Don't worry little boy, the boogie man won't come to get you. Feel free to keep living in that delusion.
Ah, dude, I think in 9th grade High School physics my instructors built upon the physics I had learned on my own by covering why such devices are physically impossible. Not *technically* impossible like heavier-than-air flight used to be until materials sciences improved but *physically* impossible.
Still, was this a fun project for you? Even a project that can't work as hoped-for can be a good way to learn about mechanics and physics and such.
@NotSoOldHippy, Ahh dude! oh please take a large Physics textbook and smash yourself in the head with it. Nothing like a good practical to see if things work!
Um..so we had to wait for cloth and wood to fly did we!
I'm just a little interested as to if your just an armchair expert or if you have ever actually done any prototyping of new concepts!
1:How many electric motors have you built 2: Serious devices using NeoMags 3: Any other prototyping
@NotSoOldHippy Hi, This took me a weekend to make and was far more interesting than sticking my head in a book to learn about it. It only cost me the price of the magnets (£20) and I enjoyed making it. I made all of the components in my garage and even after I made this video I have altered the design (added more magnet filled discs and made some plastic gears because the metal gears were sticking together) even though I knew it wouldn't work right from the start.
You spent money (albeit a small amount) on materials
AFTER this video, you spent MORE time and money on modifications
But, you say that you knew it wouldn't work before you even started? But, you blew a bunch of time/money anyway, rather than LEARNING PHYSICS first, THEN experimenting?
Someone I know of has been fiddling and he demenstrated last week, it was a rather large, heavy wheel of magnets, being turned by a small timming pulse coil, it was only low RPM, so a reed switch was used for the timming, it was using around 20 watts to do it, the guy in qustion is no idiot.
@1BustedMyth You can't. It's physically impossible. It's not a matter of technology or materials science, these devices can't work because physics simply does not allow them to.
Denial in this era of scientific achievement is, well, stupid.
Biggest problem with trying to shield Flux comming from a moving platform, is that it will induce eddie currents in the shield. Aluminium will heat up due to this effect, drop a NeoMag down a close fit tube of Copper or Al and you will see this amazing effect.
There are "Diamagnetic" and "Paramagnetic" materials Steel, Iron etc: Para, SuperConductor, Pyrolytic graphite etc: Dia
kudos for actually putting an idea through experiment, but I can tell you why, even if you could block magnetic flux, this would still be impossible: 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
1st: conservation of energy - if you could get a system into perpetual motion, you could never use energy from it or else it would spin down
2nd: entropy - the system would have to perform at a literal 100% efficiency (no energy lost to entropy) to perpetuate. this is impossible as long as there's friction.
Use a piece of Mu metal. Your only other choice is a piece of ceramic superconductor chilled with liquid nitrogen, Bismuth or a piece of pyrolitic Carbon. As mentioned earlier, these reroute magnetic fields, but superconductors and super diamagnetic materials can do a better job than steel. The best this would do is to run for a long time. Such machines, to work as imagined, would need ZERO friction of any kind and absolute perfection of manufacturing. A machine version of an electrons spin.
Sorry, but there's no material that will block a magnetic flux only re direct it, the shield to do this has to be ferromagnetic which means that the magnet will at best instead be attracted to that, counteracting the effect you are looking for.
@bdf2718 Mu metal is a soft ferromagnetic metal it diverts the magnetic flux but the magnets will still be attracted to it rather than each other, I believe my statement stands.
Mu-metal is a hell of a lot more effective than steel at sheilding. That's why the tubes of old-fashioned CRT oscilloscopes had mu-metal shields around them, to prevent stray fields affecting the display.
And you're right, the magnets will be attracted to it, even more strongly than the steel. But I wasn't the one who thought that shielding would help, nor did you.
As long as the laws of thermodynamics hold, friction means it will run down.
@anothergazman, I'm not being smart. could you please clarify when you say "block" what do you mean?, are you saying that eg Mu metal the flux will be conduited by it only and that there is no material that will expell flux from its interior?
@1BustedMyth Thats ok, by block I mean preventing the flux from permiating the material and appearing the other side. As I understand it, mu metal used for magnetic shielding interacts with a magnetic field becoming partialy magnetised itself to reduce field strength and divert it, rather than blocking it.
@anothergazman, Yep thats right, it conducts the flux, soft iron, MuMetal is actually far more conductive of Flux then Air, it becomes dense with Flux. Super Conductors start out with flux penetrating them, then as they become active will expell the flux gradually, becomming completely Diamagnetic. Pyrolytic Graphite starts out Diamagnetic and can be levitated in a steady state on NeoMags at room temperature. Still learning about PG. Used for Missile nosecones I believe. Cheers
@NoWattz It is rare for believers to finally accept the fact that physics does not allow for their hoped-for beliefs. If it *could* work, it would have been done centuries ago.
@1BustedMyth "Oh yeah, thats right, there is nothing new to be done!"
Of course there is, it is just that "magnet motors" like this cannot work according to the same scientific knowledge that is extensively and successfully used at CERN. CERN dabbles with things science says should work, which is why they get billions in funding.
@BentStigsen, The point i was trying to make is simply that, people should not be slammed for thinking in a completely different way. Thought is supposed to be free!, not controlled by people with textbooks!
Some of the greatest breakthroughs have been complete accidents, often by first year Phd students, who don't knowntheir not supposed to do it! EG: The Fullerene C60.
How does science work?, person comes up with a "Theory", they start testing the theory, if true, textbooks are amended.
@BentStigsen, Science is free to all and I strongly support the right of everyday people to have a go, have fun, learn.
The day, the established idea's crush any new ones if the day we have a problem. I will look at anything, do basic calculations to see if its worth experimenting, if so proceed. I'm no fool (well except when I was a teenager, like everyone), I have very good friends who are Engineers and Scientists.
@BentStigsen, Why is it that a profesional theoretical Physicist can (and do) say almost anything the like, no matter how absurd it may sound, yet a person without the Phd, isn't even allowed to think and dabble without getting beashed by Physics Nazi's!
Who trained Newton, Einstein, Faraday, Tesla, Edison, Bell, Capernicus, Galileo, Aristotale and Pythagorous?
The day the science establishment mimics the Catholic church, is the day for revolution.
Criticism is also thought, is it not? Peer review is an essential part of science, because it is all too easy for individuals to be enchanted by some appealing/crazy idea, and in no way does it prevent anyone from pursuing the idea anyway.
"Magnet motors" may not be as obvious, but it still belongs in the same basket as ideas like flat earth, alchemy, etc, which are demonstrably wrong, and likely the reason why people react in a bashing manner.
@BentStigsen, That door swings both ways! and as usual both sides think they are right, or rather want to argue their position no matter what. I too have been guilty of this in the past.
No one here is brave enough to even consider the statements I made, clearly there are no mysteries left to explore. Personaly the more I look into Electromagnetic charactoristics, the more I think we have work left to do. Every day materials engineering gets closer to room temp super conductivity.
@1BustedMyth You are speaking of technical innovations, those are indeed almost limitless. However technology is restricted by nature, as formulated in scientific theories. If the science related to some aspect of nature is correct, then any feasible technology cannot contradict the science. Since Electromagnetism et al. has been thoroughly researched, it is not likely to be wrong. The concept of a magnetic motor, as presented in this video, contradicts the science, hence considered impossible.
@BentStigsen, I agree, its just that Nature is not fully understood, its an ongoing exploration. I never said Electromagnetism theory was wrong, just that there is still work to do, especially in material science, eg the pursuit of room temperture Super Conductivity. To me "Considered" is just a belief and should be challenged from all angles. We are not even close to being as good as nature, so there is much room for improvement.
@1BustedMyth Bad choice of word then. Let me rephrase that: nature is adequately understood to let us know that "magnetic motors" are absolutely impossible, with equal confidence as in the conservation of energy, consistent with the equations describing magnetic fields. Any material science wont change that.
Yes I hear the objection already, "what about the energy in the form of magnetic field in the magnets", all the magnets in the video just might make a light bulb blink.
@BentStigsen , We are going in circles, best you stop thinking you can read my mind. seems you have been fighting with too many people who are hardcore perpetual motion machine advocates, of which I am not one!
What you think, has no power over what may or may not be possible. Different chemistry of magnets alone has given huge improvement to elctric motors, time and time again. I take it you follow closely science breakthroughs in these areas?
@1BustedMyth (1) I didn't try to read your mind, but I read some of your comments on Desertphile's video, where you said "Firstly a NON powered magnetic motor if it existed, would not be a "Perpetual Motion Machine" as a large amount of energy was used to make it, and it will eventually loose its Domain alignement (demagnatise) and stop, therefore NOT "Perpetual" but extremely efficient."
I took it to mean, that you thought the energy stored in the magnets was something to be taken seriously.
@BentStigsen, I really don't think you understand what I am saying. Firstly please understand that my health is not so good, on the bad days, I have trouble thinking clearly, generally feel very sick, i've been really sick the last few days, so I'm not up to a deep debate on physics at the moment.
My comments were to Dertphile as a direct responce to his comments, to take them any other way would be out of context.
@BentStigsen, I have had a great deal of respect for Desertphile for a long time, it saddened me that he would say what he did about an area that he does not study and not reply to a single one of my comments, none of which were abusive/angry/derogatory, but as respectfull as I could make it while disagreeing with him.
I stand by the comment, firstly I said "IF" it existed, it would not be a Perpetual Motion machine.
This medium isn't adequite for such a complex discussion (300 charactor bites
@1BustedMyth (2) Yes, I think improvements in electric motors are great too, but that (technical improvements) does not change the laws of nature. And I would have to ask, why pursue an untenable goal, which may produce technical improvements, when you can pursue tenable goals, which may produce the same improvements? As if you are sick, why take a homeopathic remedy and rely on the placebo effect, when you can have the real effect of a proven medicine with the placebo as an added bonus.
@BentStigsen, We will just have to agree to disagree. I completely support peer review as long as it doesn't involve thuggery, sadly I have seen just that by people who should be above it.
Argue, heated debate, yes, bashing and personal attacks no.
I have personaly witnessed prototypes that may lead to more efficient Electric motors and KERS systems using neomag chemistry. I have never said that a no imput magnet only motor either exists or is possible, so why is everyone acting like children?
@1BustedMyth Depends on what you suggest that we should disagree on. There is much to be improved on technology, no disagreement from me there, but nature won't let itself be improved, it just is what it is.
@BentStigsen, This is probably a cultural difference, just so you know "We will have to agree to disagree" where I come from means: I understand your view, don't agree with it, but respect your right to gave it and you, lets not argue over it anymore. All the best
Very true! And, after browsing the comments, I can see that there are some who absolutely refuse to accept reality even when that very reality is sitting blatantly right in front of their very own eyes. I just don't understand how someone can be so willfully ignorant. What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? BUT they keep doing it! Over and over and over again! lol
try three rows of magnets off set from each other all the other magnet motors that I've seen work on you tube have three rows offset.
painta76 3 weeks ago
Make a metal comb because in the way that U are going you are creating Edie currents! read a bit about it! it will give U tons of Ideas about it! Good luck!
Migueldeservantes 1 month ago
per the laws of thermodynamics this will never work. Parasitic friction alone will stop the motion but even with frictionless surfaces there is still drag. Perhaps if you could use friction free surfaces (don't exist) in a perfect vacuum (probably impossible) this would spin for a long time... but you won't ever get more energy out of it then you put in initially when you start it spinning.
CHollman82 1 month ago
I have a couple other ideas no this. Look up "Occupy Electrons!" on Facebook. Like you, I also have machinist capabilities and will be building a dual axis design, but they will be set to rotate in the same direction and geared together.
osirusoft1 2 months ago
And with three magnetics?
CitroTeam 2 months ago
try this .youtube.com/watch?v=GauEZ-6hnbg
burunat1 2 months ago
It does not work because you are going about it the wrong way. DO NOT USE METAL in your set up, that will just cause a conflict with your magnets.
jtridexter 2 months ago
@jtridexter Hi I did change the metal gears to plastic because they were becoming magnetic, and the spindles were non magnetic stainless. The previous comment from Stefan suggested to make the distances adjustable so today I made some more gears to space out the spindles. I am still 99.99% positive that it won't work but I had nothing to do so I thought I would do a video on how to make the gears anyway, which I am hoping to upload tonight. Regards Tim
themetalcutter 2 months ago
@themetalcutter it does not work because your little steel plate does not "shield" the magnets from one another... The magnetic fields pass through steel more easily then the surrounding air. This causes more magnetic field lines to pass through the plate clsoer together. The fields of both magnets still interact within the plate however... And the magnets are also pulled back to the plate after being moves away. Ultimately it is no different weather the plate is there or not.
MrAwsome514 1 month ago
@jtridexter ; "It does not work because you are going about it the wrong way."
Obviously. For a motor to work, a source of energy must be added. No where in this video is there any source of energy even suggested or hinted at.
Desertphile 2 months ago in playlist More videos from themetalcutter
Well done, but
to get this to work you need a very fine tuneable setup, where you can test various thicknesses of metals between the 2 wheels and at least a 1/10th of a millimeter adjustable gaps and distances..
Also you need a "v" shaped thickness varying metal between the magnet wheels...
Still a lot to finetune in your setup. If it would be so easy, there would already dozens of motors running...
Regards, Stefan.
overunitydotcom 2 months ago
@overunitydotcom Hi there is plenty of adjustment between the wheels about 6mm, I made some sleeves to fit the bearings in and the bearings fit into them off centre so I can turn the sleeves to move the wheels and gears together. You can see them in the video. Thanks for the comment though.
regards Tim
themetalcutter 2 months ago
@themetalcutter
You just can´t do this by holding the iron shield just in your hands...
It must be much bigger and "v" shaped and must be adjustable all
in at least 1/10 mm distances... Also the iron thickness plays a major role and the iron material BH magnetisation curve.. It is very complicated to setup and adjust... Good luck ! Regards, Stefan.
overunitydotcom 2 months ago
@overunitydotcom ; "...to get this to work you need a very fine tuneable setup...."
... and a source of energy.
Desertphile 2 months ago in playlist More videos from themetalcutter
At one point, you have the "shielding" placed across the entire cross-section between the two sets of magnets. The concept requires that the shielding only be present across a portion of it. Second, the magnets seem offset; wouldn't maximum repulsive force be pole-to-pole? Third, magnet strength - sufficient for purpose?
Of course, even if this were to work, you couldn't extract usable power from it.
Bandaloope 2 months ago
@Bandaloope Hi thanks for the comment, I only pushed the sheilding right through both sides of the device just to show that the repelling effects of the magnets were still there, you could see that because of the rocking motion just before it stopped. Your second point that the magnets were offset is not true, these were drilled using whats called a dividing attatchment on a milling machine and lined up perfectly. Thirdly,I used neodymium magnets which are the strongest you can get.
themetalcutter 2 months ago
There's a reason why it doesn't work the way you built it. You lack the knowledge of quantum physics and your setup is missing a key element of the theory. Second law of thermodynamics doesn't use magnetism in it's theory so it doesn't apply. Third, the original thought, the designer had a different idea than what you're trying to reproduce. He also has other ways of bending the rules of the second law of thermodynamics, amongst many other revolutionary ideas that are already proven.
theonlycrazysobleft 2 months ago
You have to use a really small, thin piece of steel. The point is to neutralize the magnets' force, not to attract them to the metal (steel) itself
pkmChris 2 months ago
@ themetalcutter Never say Never. it works , but it is to small.try again and again . people who say it will never work thy don`t try it them selfs. and like to stop you from doing. think simpel .
FreeTesla 2 months ago
I'm not saying it does work, but there are several problems with your model. If you want to give it a serious try, make the entire system aside from the magnets lighter than the magnets themselves. Something like thin non magnetic alloy or aluminum. Then remember you would need to finely calibrate the shield inbetween presumably to a fine point towards the top rather than just a random piece of metal inbetween the two.
Vlaxitov 2 months ago
Hello. Your magnetic field is not strong enough to keep the momentum. That is the reason why it is not turning the wheel. You need stronger magnets.
TheMrmatt1976 3 months ago
The gears and the Magnets are like having two sized gears on the same shaft, that won't work, it binds up.
hideaway33 3 months ago
it looks as if it is off by one cog, besides you dont want to use repulsion because thats what wears out magnets, why not make a system that uses attraction such as in a pendulum that follows a ever increasing strength of magnets to the left and also to the right but have repulsion be at dead center. Then you can turn that pendulum to rotary motion or make it do work with a 2 stage ossocilator design. ? That way you are creating a perpetual pendulum and put coils on the bob of the pendulum also.
cityvillian 3 months ago
Not a stainless steel you got use a magnetic shielding
mksboysal 4 months ago
@mksboysal - shielding doesn't help no matter what it is made of.
LiamXaoh 4 months ago
Well, first off. Your spacing may be to far between the magets, thats why you need bigget wheels, to give them more pushing distance. your already past the pirme repelling distance of the magnets.
Second. Your, shielding needs to be V shaped to provide a proper "neutrual" point to confuse the polls long enough to get it just past the point where the magnets are closests.
Third. I don't know if this will make a differnce, but you could swith the pole of everyother magnet from NNN to NSN
wcemichael 5 months ago
With this arrangement, the magnets will find balance all the way.
But nice workout. We can learn from both success or fail....:)
Thx for sharing.
Zsakf0s 5 months ago
shielding is a nice concept,but it wont work,the amount of pushing and pulling is still the same,just that u brought the repelling earlier.
XLAWANGELS 6 months ago
I got here from Desertphile's page. I enjoy watching him take apart the arguments of the overunity quacks, but I must say that you seem very sensible and normal even though you built a machine that you must have known wouldn't work. I don't mind that you built it anyway. What I really like is that you built it, tested it, and stated clearly "it doesn't work".
KarlHeinzofWpg 10 months ago
@KarlHeinzofWpg
Hi thanks for your comment, I didn't think building the thing would spark so many arguments about people wasting there time after all it's my time that i'm wasting, I enjoyed building it and even though it is reasonably well engineered I still added more magnetic discs and changed the design just to prove that it's not the mechanism that won't work it's the whole principle that is wrong.
Thanks Tim
themetalcutter 10 months ago
@themetalcutter - Yes - testing the principle by actually making something is perfectly fine. We don't all grasp things through chalkboard equations. I wouldn't even mind if someone tries to build a time machine, as long they admit it doesn't work when it doesn't work then it's all well and good. The problem with the OU quacks is they'll build something that doesn't do ANYTHING whatsoever, point at it smugly and say SEE!! Their stupidity tries the patience.
KarlHeinzofWpg 10 months ago
@themetalcutter Yes the magnetic field goes right through a thin piece of aluminum. You would need a really thick piece of aluminum to act as a shield but of course there isn't enough space to do that. So nice idea but....
P.S. nice fob on the gears. You can probably use the setup on a traditional motor drive unit. Twin spindles that turn opposite directions?
altgenesis123 5 months ago
@altgenesis123 - aluminium won't work a s a shield for two reasons. 1. Aluminium does'nt block the magnetic field. 2. Shields don't work no matter what they're made from.
LiamXaoh 4 months ago
@themetalcutter Hello Metal Cutter. I have looked at this concept aswell, it looks good on paper but look at this different one, it basically used a car wheel to create a lot more torque and he manages to get it going, check this ; watch?v=naE6_-lc1jk
britishtuna 3 months ago
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brettymike 1 year ago
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brettymike 1 year ago
@brettymike
You reckon wrong. There is no way that this can work. If you can make a statement like you made, you clearly don't understand what energy really is. If you understood energy, you'd never make that statement.
You do know what would happen *IF* someone did create a machine that could produce more energy than it consumes, right? It would create a black hole that would collapse the Earth. But fear not of black holes. Making that kind of machine is like making 2+2=5. It can't be done.
rockethead7 1 year ago
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brettymike 1 year ago
@brettymike
You say using my theory, a magnet on a metal wall would cause trouble? Fucktwit, we all know since childhood that you can put a magnet on a metal wall and it'll stay there. How could you think that I'd have a problem with it?
The black hole issue IS rubbish, true, because it CANNOT HAPPEN! You can't get more energy output than input any more than you can make 2+2=5. If you could, sorry fucktwit, but yes, it would cause a black hole. You're just too stupid to understand energy.
rockethead7 1 year ago
@brettymike
Oh, my. And I just called you stupid in my last post. Sorry about that. I just looked at your channel, and saw your videos and favorites on "new world order" conspiracies, "secret cancer cures suppressed by the government" conspiracies, "free energy" magnet machine con jobs, etc. Yeah, sorry, I was wrong. Stupidity isn't your problem.
INSANITY is your problem.
Don't worry little boy, the boogie man won't come to get you. Feel free to keep living in that delusion.
rockethead7 1 year ago
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brettymike 1 year ago
use a wedge... attracts at the thick end...repels at the thin end
kamalmichael 1 year ago
That's a beautiful piece of work but I think the laws of thermodynamics will stop it working.
You'd be better trying to improve normal efficiency in a rotary moter.
Loverly bit of engineering though.
Kudos !
faunflynn 1 year ago
Ah, dude, I think in 9th grade High School physics my instructors built upon the physics I had learned on my own by covering why such devices are physically impossible. Not *technically* impossible like heavier-than-air flight used to be until materials sciences improved but *physically* impossible.
Still, was this a fun project for you? Even a project that can't work as hoped-for can be a good way to learn about mechanics and physics and such.
NotSoOldHippy 1 year ago
@NotSoOldHippy, Ahh dude! oh please take a large Physics textbook and smash yourself in the head with it. Nothing like a good practical to see if things work!
Um..so we had to wait for cloth and wood to fly did we!
I'm just a little interested as to if your just an armchair expert or if you have ever actually done any prototyping of new concepts!
1:How many electric motors have you built 2: Serious devices using NeoMags 3: Any other prototyping
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@NotSoOldHippy Hi, This took me a weekend to make and was far more interesting than sticking my head in a book to learn about it. It only cost me the price of the magnets (£20) and I enjoyed making it. I made all of the components in my garage and even after I made this video I have altered the design (added more magnet filled discs and made some plastic gears because the metal gears were sticking together) even though I knew it wouldn't work right from the start.
themetalcutter 1 year ago 2
@themetalcutter
So, the story you want people to believe is that:
You KNEW IT WOULDN'T WORK FROM THE START
You spent a weekend building it anyway
You spent money (albeit a small amount) on materials
AFTER this video, you spent MORE time and money on modifications
But, you say that you knew it wouldn't work before you even started? But, you blew a bunch of time/money anyway, rather than LEARNING PHYSICS first, THEN experimenting?
LEARN first, then experiment.
And quit telling lies.
rockethead7 1 year ago
Go into interstellar space and throw a ball, that is about as close to perpetual motion that anyone will ever get.
christo930 1 year ago
There is physics of why that stopped. Mostly friction, how long it last is by how hard you spin it.
Even if you were to get perpetual motion, you can't get perpetual power.
drax325 1 year ago
Someone I know of has been fiddling and he demenstrated last week, it was a rather large, heavy wheel of magnets, being turned by a small timming pulse coil, it was only low RPM, so a reed switch was used for the timming, it was using around 20 watts to do it, the guy in qustion is no idiot.
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
Many frauds, con artists ripping people off with this stuff as in all areas of life, so BEWARE!
That said there are many really serious, very capable people doing some great amateur science on the concepts.
What if!, you couldn't get your desired result , but instead and huge efficientcy gain?
As with all science and exploration, you usually get something of use, just not what you went looking for!
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@1BustedMyth You can't. It's physically impossible. It's not a matter of technology or materials science, these devices can't work because physics simply does not allow them to.
Denial in this era of scientific achievement is, well, stupid.
NotSoOldHippy 1 year ago 2
@NotSoOldHippy, Do you know what a Physics Nazi is?
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
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@1BustedMyth ; "Do you know what a Physics Nazi is?"
The universe is a physics nazi. Free energy is impossible.
Desertphile 1 year ago
Biggest problem with trying to shield Flux comming from a moving platform, is that it will induce eddie currents in the shield. Aluminium will heat up due to this effect, drop a NeoMag down a close fit tube of Copper or Al and you will see this amazing effect.
There are "Diamagnetic" and "Paramagnetic" materials Steel, Iron etc: Para, SuperConductor, Pyrolytic graphite etc: Dia
SC will expell the Flux as you cool it
PG works at room temp
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
What a great peice of engineering, did you turn up all those components from scratch?
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
kudos for actually putting an idea through experiment, but I can tell you why, even if you could block magnetic flux, this would still be impossible: 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
1st: conservation of energy - if you could get a system into perpetual motion, you could never use energy from it or else it would spin down
2nd: entropy - the system would have to perform at a literal 100% efficiency (no energy lost to entropy) to perpetuate. this is impossible as long as there's friction.
cogitosum666 1 year ago 4
Use a piece of Mu metal. Your only other choice is a piece of ceramic superconductor chilled with liquid nitrogen, Bismuth or a piece of pyrolitic Carbon. As mentioned earlier, these reroute magnetic fields, but superconductors and super diamagnetic materials can do a better job than steel. The best this would do is to run for a long time. Such machines, to work as imagined, would need ZERO friction of any kind and absolute perfection of manufacturing. A machine version of an electrons spin.
RyuDarragh 1 year ago
Bro tip: Use magnets!
anavarre 1 year ago
@anavarre Prayer would work better (that is, not at all.)
NotSoOldHippy 1 year ago
Sorry, but there's no material that will block a magnetic flux only re direct it, the shield to do this has to be ferromagnetic which means that the magnet will at best instead be attracted to that, counteracting the effect you are looking for.
anothergazman 1 year ago 3
@anothergazman
mu-metal
However, I bet even with mu-metal the motor will not work.
bdf2718 1 year ago
@bdf2718 Mu metal is a soft ferromagnetic metal it diverts the magnetic flux but the magnets will still be attracted to it rather than each other, I believe my statement stands.
anothergazman 1 year ago
@anothergazman
Mu-metal is a hell of a lot more effective than steel at sheilding. That's why the tubes of old-fashioned CRT oscilloscopes had mu-metal shields around them, to prevent stray fields affecting the display.
And you're right, the magnets will be attracted to it, even more strongly than the steel. But I wasn't the one who thought that shielding would help, nor did you.
As long as the laws of thermodynamics hold, friction means it will run down.
bdf2718 1 year ago
@bdf2718 Indeed!
anothergazman 1 year ago
@anothergazman, I'm not being smart. could you please clarify when you say "block" what do you mean?, are you saying that eg Mu metal the flux will be conduited by it only and that there is no material that will expell flux from its interior?
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@1BustedMyth Thats ok, by block I mean preventing the flux from permiating the material and appearing the other side. As I understand it, mu metal used for magnetic shielding interacts with a magnetic field becoming partialy magnetised itself to reduce field strength and divert it, rather than blocking it.
anothergazman 1 year ago
@anothergazman, Yep thats right, it conducts the flux, soft iron, MuMetal is actually far more conductive of Flux then Air, it becomes dense with Flux. Super Conductors start out with flux penetrating them, then as they become active will expell the flux gradually, becomming completely Diamagnetic. Pyrolytic Graphite starts out Diamagnetic and can be levitated in a steady state on NeoMags at room temperature. Still learning about PG. Used for Missile nosecones I believe. Cheers
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
Rather than perpetuating a myth, you had the courage to post the honest to goodness truth. Thank you for your effort and your honesty. :)
NoWattz 1 year ago 6
@NoWattz It is rare for believers to finally accept the fact that physics does not allow for their hoped-for beliefs. If it *could* work, it would have been done centuries ago.
NotSoOldHippy 1 year ago
@NotSoOldHippy, Oh yeah, thats right, there is nothing new to be done!
Thats why how many thousand has been spent of CERN!
I suppose Fusion isn't worth looking at either, because we haven't done it before!
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@1BustedMyth "Oh yeah, thats right, there is nothing new to be done!"
Of course there is, it is just that "magnet motors" like this cannot work according to the same scientific knowledge that is extensively and successfully used at CERN. CERN dabbles with things science says should work, which is why they get billions in funding.
BentStigsen 1 year ago
@BentStigsen, The point i was trying to make is simply that, people should not be slammed for thinking in a completely different way. Thought is supposed to be free!, not controlled by people with textbooks!
Some of the greatest breakthroughs have been complete accidents, often by first year Phd students, who don't knowntheir not supposed to do it! EG: The Fullerene C60.
How does science work?, person comes up with a "Theory", they start testing the theory, if true, textbooks are amended.
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@BentStigsen, Science is free to all and I strongly support the right of everyday people to have a go, have fun, learn.
The day, the established idea's crush any new ones if the day we have a problem. I will look at anything, do basic calculations to see if its worth experimenting, if so proceed. I'm no fool (well except when I was a teenager, like everyone), I have very good friends who are Engineers and Scientists.
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@BentStigsen, Why is it that a profesional theoretical Physicist can (and do) say almost anything the like, no matter how absurd it may sound, yet a person without the Phd, isn't even allowed to think and dabble without getting beashed by Physics Nazi's!
Who trained Newton, Einstein, Faraday, Tesla, Edison, Bell, Capernicus, Galileo, Aristotale and Pythagorous?
The day the science establishment mimics the Catholic church, is the day for revolution.
Thought must be free at all costs.
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@1BustedMyth "Thought must be free at all costs."
Criticism is also thought, is it not? Peer review is an essential part of science, because it is all too easy for individuals to be enchanted by some appealing/crazy idea, and in no way does it prevent anyone from pursuing the idea anyway.
"Magnet motors" may not be as obvious, but it still belongs in the same basket as ideas like flat earth, alchemy, etc, which are demonstrably wrong, and likely the reason why people react in a bashing manner.
BentStigsen 1 year ago
@BentStigsen, That door swings both ways! and as usual both sides think they are right, or rather want to argue their position no matter what. I too have been guilty of this in the past.
No one here is brave enough to even consider the statements I made, clearly there are no mysteries left to explore. Personaly the more I look into Electromagnetic charactoristics, the more I think we have work left to do. Every day materials engineering gets closer to room temp super conductivity.
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@1BustedMyth You are speaking of technical innovations, those are indeed almost limitless. However technology is restricted by nature, as formulated in scientific theories. If the science related to some aspect of nature is correct, then any feasible technology cannot contradict the science. Since Electromagnetism et al. has been thoroughly researched, it is not likely to be wrong. The concept of a magnetic motor, as presented in this video, contradicts the science, hence considered impossible.
BentStigsen 1 year ago
@BentStigsen, I agree, its just that Nature is not fully understood, its an ongoing exploration. I never said Electromagnetism theory was wrong, just that there is still work to do, especially in material science, eg the pursuit of room temperture Super Conductivity. To me "Considered" is just a belief and should be challenged from all angles. We are not even close to being as good as nature, so there is much room for improvement.
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@1BustedMyth Bad choice of word then. Let me rephrase that: nature is adequately understood to let us know that "magnetic motors" are absolutely impossible, with equal confidence as in the conservation of energy, consistent with the equations describing magnetic fields. Any material science wont change that.
Yes I hear the objection already, "what about the energy in the form of magnetic field in the magnets", all the magnets in the video just might make a light bulb blink.
BentStigsen 1 year ago
@BentStigsen , We are going in circles, best you stop thinking you can read my mind. seems you have been fighting with too many people who are hardcore perpetual motion machine advocates, of which I am not one!
What you think, has no power over what may or may not be possible. Different chemistry of magnets alone has given huge improvement to elctric motors, time and time again. I take it you follow closely science breakthroughs in these areas?
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@1BustedMyth (1) I didn't try to read your mind, but I read some of your comments on Desertphile's video, where you said "Firstly a NON powered magnetic motor if it existed, would not be a "Perpetual Motion Machine" as a large amount of energy was used to make it, and it will eventually loose its Domain alignement (demagnatise) and stop, therefore NOT "Perpetual" but extremely efficient."
I took it to mean, that you thought the energy stored in the magnets was something to be taken seriously.
BentStigsen 1 year ago
@BentStigsen, I really don't think you understand what I am saying. Firstly please understand that my health is not so good, on the bad days, I have trouble thinking clearly, generally feel very sick, i've been really sick the last few days, so I'm not up to a deep debate on physics at the moment.
My comments were to Dertphile as a direct responce to his comments, to take them any other way would be out of context.
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@BentStigsen, I have had a great deal of respect for Desertphile for a long time, it saddened me that he would say what he did about an area that he does not study and not reply to a single one of my comments, none of which were abusive/angry/derogatory, but as respectfull as I could make it while disagreeing with him.
I stand by the comment, firstly I said "IF" it existed, it would not be a Perpetual Motion machine.
This medium isn't adequite for such a complex discussion (300 charactor bites
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@1BustedMyth (2) Yes, I think improvements in electric motors are great too, but that (technical improvements) does not change the laws of nature. And I would have to ask, why pursue an untenable goal, which may produce technical improvements, when you can pursue tenable goals, which may produce the same improvements? As if you are sick, why take a homeopathic remedy and rely on the placebo effect, when you can have the real effect of a proven medicine with the placebo as an added bonus.
BentStigsen 1 year ago
@BentStigsen, We will just have to agree to disagree. I completely support peer review as long as it doesn't involve thuggery, sadly I have seen just that by people who should be above it.
Argue, heated debate, yes, bashing and personal attacks no.
I have personaly witnessed prototypes that may lead to more efficient Electric motors and KERS systems using neomag chemistry. I have never said that a no imput magnet only motor either exists or is possible, so why is everyone acting like children?
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
@1BustedMyth Depends on what you suggest that we should disagree on. There is much to be improved on technology, no disagreement from me there, but nature won't let itself be improved, it just is what it is.
BentStigsen 1 year ago
@BentStigsen, This is probably a cultural difference, just so you know "We will have to agree to disagree" where I come from means: I understand your view, don't agree with it, but respect your right to gave it and you, lets not argue over it anymore. All the best
1BustedMyth 1 year ago
Very true! And, after browsing the comments, I can see that there are some who absolutely refuse to accept reality even when that very reality is sitting blatantly right in front of their very own eyes. I just don't understand how someone can be so willfully ignorant. What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? BUT they keep doing it! Over and over and over again! lol
NoWattz 1 year ago
I will upload a reply video.
Desertphile 1 year ago
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