Hamas using children as human shield

[emizBKin]

How can you prove that, there could be so many reasons....

[eliezer017]

Israel sends provisions into Gaza Strip.

Hammas appropriates it and sells the food and drugs to the poor inhabitants.

Stealing in order to finnance terror?

[saad6633]

Hamas can't take them as human sheild.

Do you know why,

Coz Isreal will kill them both.

they killed about 1400 How about one kid.

it will be easy, and they like it.

[eliezer017]

At the opposite. They were killed because they were taken as human shield.

Who will judge Hamas leaders that commited war crimes?

[struckturized]

The 3rd clip looks like the armed man is pulling the little kid from a crossfire. It actually looks like he's saving the little boys life and endangering his own. I'd actually call this video propaganda in the worst way. Note: **i personally can care less what israel n the palestinians are fighting about, to be honest im sick of turning on the tv and seeing conflict in the middle east all the f**kin time, why don't both groups of people duke it out once n for all, winner takes all!**

[abbienetvision]

struck,

Pulling this poor boy like he is a rag, seems to you to be saving him?

Look at all the kids sitting in the area the boy was taken from, the Hamas man is only trying to use this poor kid. How you cannot see it is beyond me.

[struckturized]

The boy is in the middle of the street abbie, plus pulling someone out of crossfire is never pretty. You would do anything u can in anyway to save someone, drag, pull, push, just to get them out of danger. If he was using the boy as shield, he would've picked him up and held him up n used the boys body as shield..which it is not even close in that 3rd clip.

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision LOL wow are you an idiot?

Watch the clip again dumbass, the kid is not with other kids he is hiding behind that pole on his own, the other kids you can see are firther in the background.

He clearly grabs the kid and carries him back to safety where all the other civilians are hiding.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

You are a total idiot, to even write that here. This kid is being pulled to be used as a shield, if you look, this is clear. The man dragging the kid, is not taking care of this boy, and passes civilians, clearly.

Your stupidity is great though, so congrats.

This is only one of the many vids like this, but even more powerful may be the vids where Hamas says they use human shields, where there is no question about the meaning.

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[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

LOL if they are being fired on do you expect to stop and nicely grab the kid? LOL wow your a moron. He grabbed him and got the hell out of there.

And do you have any idea of perspective? He didnt run past anyone they are a few metres further away from the camera. LOL by that logic the people you think he ran past must just be standing there in the line of fire. Again your a moron.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

I love how you not only want to change the facts of the vid (if the man wanted to protect the boy, wouldn't he put himself in front of the boy, rather than drag him like a rag,) but more than that disregard that Hamas brags about using human shields and death as their weapon.

Hamas - Human Shield Confession v=g0wJXf2nt4Y

Do you think they didn't do it here, but yet brag about using kids as human shields, even if you are a moron, this should be simple to see.

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

Change the facts of the vid? Again for the second time if they are being fired at he doesnt have time to nicely arrange the kid he is just getting him the hell out of there. If he was using him like a shield as you say wouldnt he lift him up to protect his own torso, not leave him down at his legs????

And the fact some religious idiot makes a stupid comment doesnt mean that is what happens in every situation. Some of you people are beyond stupid.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

They are all standing against a wall, so there is no chance of them being further away. Look at the beginning of the vid, and see all those civilians not running, they are clearly not under fire. Watch it again and see that there are many people prior to where the boy is dragged to, that are standing around (about a 6 feet away or less.)

You are either blind or just really stupid. Watch the vid and see how your arguments are moot.

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision what is our world 2d is it? LOL yes they are standing against a wall, a wall that angles away from them. The IDF is shooting from the right incase you hadnt worked that out.

And you again failed to answer, you say he is using as a shield coz he isnt carefull with the kid, but why is he not covering his torso then?

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

If the IDF is shooting from the right, why are the men standing there, not doing anything, and they do not have guns?

The man dragging the kid passes many civilians, this is completely clear. So what question are you asking, that I have no responded to?

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

Again you seem to have no idea of perspective, All the civilians (but the kid) in this clip is hidden around another wall that is off camera. That is why all the civilians are just sitting there, they are hidden from view.

Between the camera and the civilians is a street running basically left-right which the IDF can see down.

So the Hamas guy runs from one safe side, grabs the kid who is stuck behind the pole and keeps running to the other side, Got it?

[abbienetvision]

@abbienetvision

You should know that there is no place in Gaza where the IDF or Israelis can be to the right side, as you are claiming. The Israeli position is not where you are saying, here is some vids, from different angles showing that your claim cannot be based on any type of truth.

v=mA4WQ-MbjRo

v=3geiT77mlY4

Here is the definitive proof, which cannot be denied! Watch the vids and see the truth.

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

LOL neither of those clips made any reference to this clip we are talking about, they had absolutely nothing to do with this.

And with the topics they are discussing they are still rubbish. Your going to randomly believe what some clip on youtube tells you over evidence from places like the UN and Amnesty International?

Not hard for anyone to make a clip with drawing/computer images showing where they say the Israeli's are but in reality they could of been anywhere.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

Actually the Al-Dura case was studied for over 7 yrs, until a French court ruled that in no way could Israel had been responsible for the boy dying, if he did.

To claim that these vids are doctored, even though they have been studied extensively is to show your total lack of knowledge and your clear bias to learning the truth.

The same wall can be seen in the other vids, and the Israelis are not to the right, that is just a fact, so do with it what you want.

[qpro009]

@abbienetvision do you think all videos have been messed with on YouTube why do you watch so many political videos???

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

LOL check again dumbass, its clearly not the same wall, what you think there is only one wall in all of Gaza?

Wow your a retard.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

How many walls do you think can be in clear part of being shot upon. If you look for example in an alley, there can only be 2 walls, the right and the left, right? Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005, the only place these pics could come from are the entrance where the Israeli base is close...right? If it is the Israeli fire that you claim they running from, right? Or is this inside Gaza, and the Israelis are not within shooting distance, at all?

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

LOL this clip could of been from long before that.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

This vid could not have been long before that, since there was no Hamas army or terrorism on this scale within Gaza prior to the pullout. When the Israelis were living there, they were mostly killed by Palestinians throwing molotov cocktails or shooting them, at close range.

This is fact, while you are speculating without thinking if it could be as you claim.

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision Geez you talk some rubbish. He is a masked gunmen with an AK, guys like him have been fighting Israel for around 50 years. There where 2 intifada before 2005 and many other attacks and shootout throughtout previous years.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

When the Jews were in Gaza, there were more soldiers than Israeli civilians, for their protection. That is one of the reasons that I was for the Gaza pullout, not to mention that the month following the pullout, a family of 5 was killed, the mother and 4 kids by the terrorists. But to claim prior to the pullout, that there were any groups like this standing around or shooting is just to be ignorant, it was definitely not like that.

PS I have been there...have you?

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

LOL blah blha blha, still talking rubbish.

Do a simple fucking google search and there are THOUSANDS of pages including news articles talking about shooting and attacks before 2005.

You really are a fucking moron.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

All of the shooting and attacks prior to 2005, were not with rockets...duh! Israel was still in Gaza, so those peaceful Gazans shot Israelis, in fact the last month prior to the pullout, there was an entire family of 5 killed by gunfire while in their car.

Seems that you are completely ignorant. Do a fucking Google search yourself, since I live here, and see the news, as well as read it, everyday.

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

LOL And???

This isnt with rockets either so what is your point, your basing agreeing with my point.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

Your lack of any logic is pathetic. Do you know what 2+2 equals, seems not. To claim that this clip was prior to the Israeli pullout is total ignorance, when Israel was in Gaza, there were no groups of terrorists out on the roads, since the Israelis would stop this and would not need to shoot, they would just grab the offenders and put them in jail.

This is clear, but your stupidity is clearer.

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

Again a 5 sec google search proves you have no clue, There was heaps of fighting back then. Your really shouldnt be commenting with your lack of knowledge.

Im done with you.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

I don't need Google to know about terror coming out of Gaza. I live in Israel, and have been in Gaza, but when there was not an intifada, last time was in 1983. I have been everywhere in Israel, prior to the intifada, many times.

You sit somewhere in the world, lacking knowledge and not being able to even do a simple search, while I live the Muslim aggression daily, speak Hebrew, watch the Israeli news, as well as Al-Jeezera, France24, CNN, Fox, BBC, and anything else that I can.

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

LOL being there means nothing, if anything it gives you a biased view.

Everywhere else you can get informarion from i can too.

And yes the Gaza pullout didnt bring peace but it shouldnt of, Gaza isnt all the Palestinian land and so ofcourse they would keep fighting.

If someone took over Australia, then gave a tiny bit back ide certainly keep fighting for the rest, the the same as Israeli's would.

So it all comes back to Israel stealing land.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

Actually, if you bother to learn you would see that the ONLY people that have been in Israel for over 3,000 yrs are the Jews. The Arabs (who lived abroad, since Israel was a wasteland) sold the land here to Jews in the 1800's, and the Jews built Israel into a livable country.

Many people traveled in Israel in the 1700s and 1800s, prior to the Jews coming, and all said the same, it was a wasteland, not even the native olive trees were living, and no people were found.

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

LOL is that what you where taught at school? Duh go check the British Mandate days Arabs where the majority and owned the majority of the land.

You have no clue about your own countries history.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

Why don't you check, since the clearest thing is that the British Mandate limited the number of Jews allowed into Israel, in fact, the word "Palestine" was applied to a clearly defined piece of territory - the area which today comprises Israel and Jordan (which is 4 times larger than Israel.)

The Arabs all came into Israel after Jews came, 1920 the Jewish National Fund purchased large tracts of land from absentee Arab landowners.

ABSENTEE means not living on the land!!!

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

Thats all Jewish propaganda. There where plenty of Arabs living there, again check the records yourself.

Its sad your taught rubbish like that. But i guess i shouldnt expect anything better from people who claim god gave them the land.

[abbienetvision]

Siebald Rieter,Johann Tucker, Arnold Van Harff ,Father Michael Nuad, Martin Kabatnik, Felix Fabri, Count Constantine Francois Volney,Alphonse de Lamartine, Mark Twain,Sir George Gawler, Sir George Adam Smith,Edward Robinson - found Palestine virtually empty, except for Jewish communities in Jerusalem,Safed,Shechem,Hebron­,Gaza,Ramleh,Acre,Sidon, Tyre, Haifa, Irsuf, Caesarea, and El Arish, and throughout Galilee towns - Kfar Alma, Ein Zeitim, Biria, Pekiin, Kfar Hanania, Kfar Kana and Kfar Yassif.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

All of the below names are Xtains that traveled Israel, pre-1948, and found the land EMPTY...your words are useless, when history is clear. History cannot be rewritten today by your big mouth, with no information at all. Facts exist, even if you ignore them.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

Let me go even one step further, and show you that even the Koran and Bible say that Israel is the land of the Jews.

It is clearly stated in the Koran(Sura 5:21) that God gave the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel and ordered them to settle there. It is predicted that before the End of Days, God will bring the Children of Israel to retake possession of the Land, gathering them from the different countries and nations (Sura17:104)

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

Again just do a simple search on the British Mandate, ide much rather believe there official records from the time then the words of a few random nobodies.

And i couldnt care less what the bible or Koran says, they are all rubbish and mean nothing to anyone who isnt a religious moron.

You do realize religion is all a bunch of crap? I dont know much about the other 2 books (though they are basically the same) but most of the bible is proved rubbish years ago.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

You do a search on populations in Israel in 1900's, the British commission did one in 1913, I guess you are too stupid or lazy to find it!

The report found Israel desolate and empty, the land was barren, and humans were not seen.

As far as the Torah being proved false, the exact true is opposite, that even if you don't believe, there is definite proof that the events happened, since artifacts have been found and proof cannot be denied.

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

LOL show me these "british" figures from 1913? There arent any as the British didnt take over Palestine till 1917.

The ones i can find say there where over 400,000 Arabs living there in 1893 and around 40,000 jews.

In 1922 there was over 600,000 Arabs and 80,000 jews

And then in1948 there where 1.35 million Arabs and 650,000 Jews.

So no none of the figures i can find is anything like your silly opnions.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

"The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track, suitable for transport by camels or carts. No orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached the Yavnev village. Houses were mud. Schools did not exist. The western part toward the sea was almost a desert. The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many villages were deserted by their inhabitants" (Palestinian Royal Commission 1913)

Where were the Arabs?

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

I even was for the Gaza pullout, which now I regret, and as such, have still an orange ribbon on my car (a sign of being against the pullout) My wanting of peace, by giving land, cause 1 million Israelis to be w/in target range of Hamas rockets/mortar.

After the women and her kids were killed in Gaza, prior to the pullout, I thought if there is any chance to stop innocent blood by giving land, let's do it!

Then the rocket fire began, traumatizing innocents daily, 24/7.

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

He doesnt run past any civilians, he is between the civilans and the camera man.

The ones it looks like he runs past are a few metres away on the other side of the street. Again as i said PERSPECTIVE.

[abbienetvision]

@chrisdef15

This is not the only vid, but this is only from one camera. Look at the vids that show clearly where the Israelis are prior to making false claims which show you are lacking knowledge, here, in a public forum.

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

LOL i dont need to watch another vid its obvious to anyone with even a small amount of knowledge.

But too keep you happy where is this clip? I cant find anything like it.

You show where it is and ille simply prove your a retard on 2 pages instead of just this one.

[chrisdef15]

@abbienetvision

I love how you ignore my questions (which obviously stump you) and just try a different argument when you realize your last one failed miserably.

[saad6633]

I told them, but they wanna say that Hamas using the kids as human shield.

[mehfa61]

u are israeli propaganda

this is not human shield

[93yoyo360]

no he isnt using him as a human shield

the armed man is a police man that taking this kid to school

common just say you are antishemic and doht talk shit !

stupid fucks

you dont know shit about israel

you defend the terorist in gaza

[Starisborn32]

lol.. the Hamas are so scared.. stop be in shelters and use innocent people, come to fight, they are only scared, ohhh... loosers!!!! LONG LIVE ISRAEL!

[bottombear23]

hahahah u Zionists are the BIGGEST liars on Earth. I wouldn't be surprised if your the biggest liars in the Universe!!! Probab;y more than satan.....

That guy covering his face works for the so called IDF - I call it the Israeli Attack Force rather.....

That poor innocent child threw a stone at the IAttack Force and so their taking that poor boy to custody.....

Stop the Zionist lies PLEASE

[eliezer017]

Bottom, how do you know? You live in Ukraine, far away from Gaza.

[relucta]

for all you know he was saving them

[DaniKiller]

wow

those are some brave "freedom fighters" XDD

[RowdySaudi]

This doesn't show any abuse. If you want to see abuse, look at the map of Israeli settlements in Palestinian terratory. Look at the number (over 70) UN Security Council Resolutions that Israel is currently Violating. How about Resolution 274 which has been Violated since it was passed at the UN over 40 years ago!

Plus, this video doesn't show actual shielding. This video was posted by a zionist propagandist.

[Asaf15tFP]

Ah, yeah. Dragging children and putting them infront of you so they'll get hit by bullets is not abuse. After all, in the Arab world it's considered acceptable.

[3akka]

The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance but the ILLUSION of knowledge

WATCH : OCCUPATION 101

THE REAL STORY.

LONG LIVE PALESTINE

[Daeghrefn]

"israelpwn" you're a fuckin idiot. read the conversation before you shoot off your mouth dumbshit.

[Israelpwn]

u said IDF uses kids. i see hamas using them, tell me wer IDF used them. plz do, come on.

OH, and dont send me vids which hav been proven fake, neither.

[1337Nexus]

He doesnt use him as a shield.

Daeghrefn -

"Israel is the country that uses children as shields... everyone knows this, its been photographed, taped, and documented."

What a pile of bullshit. No matter what you think Israel still has a professional army and would never use a child as a human shield. Although muslim militants do not use children as human shields, they do use them as soldiers.

[Daeghrefn]

Muhammed Badwan ring a bell? They physically tied him(13yr old child) to the windshield of a military jeep

[Daeghrefn]

Its common practice to use civilians(including children) as shields. The Israeli army and police still continue to do it despite the ban.

[Israelpwn]

its the Hamas, retard, not Israel.

[nacera23]

Saying that there are using children as human chield and using the example in the video is SO stupid coz if you see REALLY this video, you will see that there aren't using this children but saving him. Maybe it's his brother pushing him from the road, So if you want to justify the fact that they use children (and you won't find it!) don't be so stupid and use intelligent things!!!

Thanks

[ZeevFuchs]

Stop lying to yourself.

[karimh]

He was just trying to push the boy to the side. Its obvious...

[Daeghrefn]

leo you're retarded for posting this. they obviously aren't using children as shields- in fact they're dragging them out of the way. Israel is the country that uses children as shields... everyone knows this, its been photographed, taped, and documented.

[moball18]

yes that is true people the hamas soldiers were moving the children to safety

[yousefeid]

i dont know about everyone else but it is obvious that they are saving the kids and pushing them away from dangerous areas

[ozlek101]

ok, i review the video and its seems to me its the other way around, they seems to be pushing them to safety, and the second one is snatching the boy from harm, ok, im convinced, youre not cowards.

sorry, im a filipino, my heart is with u palistine and lebanon.

[JamesBond76]

Hold on, is it the title that makes you interpret it this way? I am not a big fan of Hamas, but it seems to me they are just pushing the children away from dangerous areas. What if we name this video 'Hamas is bravely saving children'. That gesture in the beginning of the video, does it not mean 'get him out of here'?

[moball18]

yes u are right james bond as u can see that the israeli soldiers are filming this this means that the hamas soldiers knew that the jewish soldiers were there so they pulled the kids in a hasty way to an alley way or to another place that is safe from the israeli soldiers

[moball18]

yes when the two hamas soldiers are gesturing the young boy it means to run in that direction zoom in on it and u can tell

[93yoyo360]

hammas dont gives a shit about the gaza citisens

israel is more humanic to the gazza peaople then the hammas

if this place was bombed by isreal and the hammas is "defendig" the child how come every body are looking at theme and no one run away from the place ?

[nacera23]

We got ONE enemy and this is IsrHeil. We got to use everybody to push from Palestine Zionists.

[mailman4214]

There is no such thing as a Palestinian. You people believe your own lies. Read "FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL" by Joan Peters. She was on YOUR SIDE until she worked with you and found out the truth.

[ozlek101]

i thought you palestines are brave, youre cowards, dont use children when youre trapped.

[tryinmybest]

Cowards