Hey zero, have enjoyed many of your videos. I have been playing around with a small dry cell when I have time. I have also watched others running engines on HHo. Mr. Rap actually has a small valid point despite his unnecessary negativity. Engines running on pure hho are weak compared to gas. I think the reason why has something to do with heat generation. Gas and diesel create cylinder pressure by super heating mostly inert nitrogen in the air. HHO creates heat but has no expansive gas.
@consaka1 Just a bit of steam that quickly condenses into water and a vacuum? I'm wondering if mixing the hho with air(70%nitrogen?) would cause ignition problems. And if it did cause ignition problems whether a higher compression ratio would make up for it. Id love to compare tests on gas and diesel engines. I have a 6.5 but sheesh that would take what? 16 lpm? lol assuming no precombustion.
since oxy sticks to the positve plates and hydrogen on the negative, would there be a good design to harvest the H ? see jchemed.chem on electrolisys.. there's a vid and pix that shows seperate production of the gases. but the goal is to use only tap water ....no harmful lyes . i hope this will be helpful to everyone !!!!! GOOD LUCK to you ZEROZEROZEROBIGZEROZEROSUCHABIGZEROZEROSTILLZERONILZEROZERO
i'm asking you to heed the idea that the HHO gas is a mixed H and O, hydrogen is the useful fuel and pure oxygen interferes when combusting in engines . these gases are available in tanks, i' ve had an experiment using a oxy-acet torch with an unlimited supply H and O , (2 :1 ratio for HHO) fed it in an engine ,, i toyed with it for a while then tried using no oxy. THE ENGINE RUNS BETTER USING OnLY HYDRGEN !!! ambiant air only has 21% oxy , mostly nitro that aids compression
well my stailess and copper combined with neutralplates eats up 1 liter of tap water( just like dingel,s consumption ) per hour ,12 volts at 25 amps. ran it in a truck with an auxillary alternator ( to run half of them) with a pedal switch..... and yes guess what milage improved just a very tiny bit !! the project burnt a big hole in my pocket... i guess you got a bigger hole,.. the point is .. there is something wrong with HHO and something must be done...
i was expecting that kind of answer from you !!! it's true i"ve registered only recently but it doesn't mean i'm new here , im not even smart imade my HHO a year and a half ago out of a whole sheet 4ft x 8ft of gauge 22 S.S. and 4ft x 4 ft ,,, all cut into 4 inches by 4 inches ... where is it ? it's right here in the PHILIPPINES where DANIEL DINGEL lives !!! sorry for not posting a vid of my gadet , my gadget is housed in a fiberglass casing about the size of a truk battery,
hi there ZFF i see you've spent too much time , effort and money with the idea of HHO . Have you ever run a 4 cyl engine with that gas alone even just for idling speed ? it can't! i guess WE got it wrong .. HHO is a mixed gas - hydro and oxy ... stan and daniel used only hydrogen....i think this has to be reconfigured , we must extractract the H alone and discard the oxygen. ya know why ? have you tried burning hydrogen gas only? well it pops ! oxy only ? the fire glows !! figure it out guys
Really? Wow. You must be very smart. You've been a YouTube member for one whole week, watched 1,127 in that one week. You must be the expert. So, Mr. Einstein, where's yours?
i hate to break it to you. but you forgot to advance the cable ties beyond the lettering on the side. meaning the top end of the plates have more separation than the bottom.
sorry to break it to you, but just in case you are getting odd results...you may want to re-glue this sucker again.
as far as metals go there is one better than 316l it's something like 316lm or some other leter after the l. There's also a metal called iconel. It's a bit more expensive but better corrosion resistance. Or you could use the ultimate---Platinum---. Of course you may have to take a small loan against your house for it :))
I actually have about 15 plates of Iconel about 2.5" x 5" given to me that never got wet. It's very brittle and I don't know how would attach current carrying wires to is safely.
Something about electrolysis effect is that the one plate polarity gets eaten away, and usually gets deposited onto the other plate. And if you reverse the polarity, that it then reverses the effect.
So an idea for you.
To have your electronics use a relay which reverses polarity every so often with the famous dpdt reversing crossover switch wiring.
So if you reverse the polarity every few minutes, the leaching of the plate on the negative size should be greatly reduced in theory for long term.
I've heard this elsewhere and it might make sense to release the deposits he gets on one side of the plates. I'm redesigning mine to fit behind my bumper in the front wheel well so I might put a heavy rated double pole double throw switch in to reverse the poles of the plates but not the relays and such obviously.
Yeah thinking about it, the high currents with a the relay (while live) would cause an arcing. I used to use relays for experiments with Jacob's ladders, and zappers for home make electric fences etc. But if the circuit was designed to cut power, then do it, it could be part of the intergral system. Even part of the electronics using SCR type sets up. But there are probably better components. It's been many years since I have been electronics hobbist. I have many parts, but no room to play. lol.
Tho initially, my idea about the reversing was about every hour. And if you doing it manual this should have a major effect.
I do wonder about these "neutral" plates and their use? For it would seem a smaller gap between plates would create several things. It would increase the capitance, increase the Capacitive Reactance Resistance to pulses, reduce the current, and increase the output of gases.
I will have to start some experiments when I make some room, being in 2 br flat, pc's take the room.
I have been trying some aluminium tubes one within another, in 1 spoon of salt water, and I noticed one got shinier than the other.
So I reversed it to see how it went and of course the other got shiny too.
But I am only starting and experimenting to see what happens. I did find I got two lots of powdery substance at both ends of the tubes polarized, and eventually when left it sank to be two layers of this silt which looks salty & metalic. probably toxic.
Salt in your water produces chlorine gas. Aluminum in KOH or NAOH produces hydrogen but the aluminum does not last long. Thats why people use stainless steel.
What is the name of the better stainless steel plates that you have used? My husband and I were watching video's at midnight and can't remember what you said..
what is the minimum thickness of acrylic i should use to build a box to hold solution and a cell? At the moment, i am not using a pwm. Any idea where to get acrylic on the west coast? I need 3, 12 x 12 sheets. None in my town. thanks
H2SO4 is used with distilled water b/c it doesn't goober up your electrodes (plates). Baking soda (NaHC03) conducts when the ions travel to the oppositely charged electrodes (i.e. Na+à negative electrode (anode)/HC03-àpositive electrode (cathode)). So you get sodium buildup on one electrode (not bad) and bicarbonate buildup on the other (which is bad, b/c bicarbonate is an isolator). Soon you won't have to worry about the current limiting resistor, it will be in your cell.
I really really thank you for the tip you gave abt the blade....u have solved my mistery. As for the MPG gain problem....Try using a MAP sensor....it helps a lot.
When I bought my car it did 13,5L/100km and now it does 12l/100km.....Ok,its only 1,5L, but I am happy it is SOMETHING. thats why I am working on a bigger electrolyzer for in my trunk.I also bought a 2ndhand slave battery for in my trunk so the master one won't kill performance.Slave charges itself through solar power
I can't beleive that your mpg test did so poorly...2 1/2 mpg gain? After all the work you put into this...you need more gas prduction or you did something wrong. U should be at min 50%....25% without an EFIE. I am not trying to critisize here, only to let you know of the average gains...
Hey Z... In helping ya cut with that jig saw, take a piece of masking tape and put on both top and bottom, draw your line on the tape, and cut. Can see the line better, and also helps prevent chipping of the material.
I think this will be review, but are you putting the plastic side plates there to block electrical leakage or to enhance flow of electrolyte through the plate array, or is it both? Does that aspect seem to be performing as expected?
Hello ZFF, I've been watching your videos and reading all the comments. Someone mentioned cutting grooves into the acrylic so I tried it in my wood shop. Hope I can contribute with my video.
They pull right out with needle nose pliers. The adhesive does not push in as deep as the cable ties sit. And, actually, nylon holds up very well in electrolyte.
Hi Guy, i watched a bunch of your videos, and you are a real smart guy,but can i suggest something...You know when you have all your zips in place you have perfect spacing.instead of messing with panels and glue why dont you just leave the ties in place and clamp plates tight with 3 bracket clamps you can make..put 1 in the middle and 1 on each end..I feel its a lot easier and the plates will never move.Also have you ever seen tube cells and how they are made.my friend built dozens that way
Nice video editing with the build. Really helps with the watching of the video when you show your steps in fast motion. Some things don't require "real time" to get the idea. LOVE YOUR STUFF. GET WELL SOON.
Zff does the discoloration on the plates come off easily or is it ingrained deeply? Do you suppose changing polarity every other time it is used would help lift the deposits or just dirty up both sides???
Hi Zero, Why don't you look up colloidal gold/copper/zinc/silver. No need to suffer colds, like the lack of neccesity in continuing to drive a car at 25mpg, if you think outside the box. Get well soon, and thanks for the vid!
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consaka1 4 months ago
Hey zero, have enjoyed many of your videos. I have been playing around with a small dry cell when I have time. I have also watched others running engines on HHo. Mr. Rap actually has a small valid point despite his unnecessary negativity. Engines running on pure hho are weak compared to gas. I think the reason why has something to do with heat generation. Gas and diesel create cylinder pressure by super heating mostly inert nitrogen in the air. HHO creates heat but has no expansive gas.
consaka1 4 months ago
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@consaka1 Just a bit of steam that quickly condenses into water and a vacuum? I'm wondering if mixing the hho with air(70%nitrogen?) would cause ignition problems. And if it did cause ignition problems whether a higher compression ratio would make up for it. Id love to compare tests on gas and diesel engines. I have a 6.5 but sheesh that would take what? 16 lpm? lol assuming no precombustion.
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intermitrj 1 year ago
Use C-clamps instead of rubber bans!
usssovren4ever 1 year ago
HEY IT'S EINSTEIN HERE ONCE AGAIN !!! since you always need vids to see MR.ZERO... i found one for you !!! here are young future NIKOLA TESLA'S.. ....
" NO MORE HHO " it's only in it's infancy but it will grow just wait and see !!!
MrRapsahaybu 2 years ago
Do you think a more finely toothed blade would work better? such as one for metal.
sodapop503 2 years ago
since oxy sticks to the positve plates and hydrogen on the negative, would there be a good design to harvest the H ? see jchemed.chem on electrolisys.. there's a vid and pix that shows seperate production of the gases. but the goal is to use only tap water ....no harmful lyes . i hope this will be helpful to everyone !!!!! GOOD LUCK to you ZEROZEROZEROBIGZEROZEROSUCHABIGZEROZEROSTILLZERONILZEROZERO
MrRapsahaybu 2 years ago
i'm asking you to heed the idea that the HHO gas is a mixed H and O, hydrogen is the useful fuel and pure oxygen interferes when combusting in engines . these gases are available in tanks, i' ve had an experiment using a oxy-acet torch with an unlimited supply H and O , (2 :1 ratio for HHO) fed it in an engine ,, i toyed with it for a while then tried using no oxy. THE ENGINE RUNS BETTER USING OnLY HYDRGEN !!! ambiant air only has 21% oxy , mostly nitro that aids compression
MrRapsahaybu 2 years ago
well my stailess and copper combined with neutralplates eats up 1 liter of tap water( just like dingel,s consumption ) per hour ,12 volts at 25 amps. ran it in a truck with an auxillary alternator ( to run half of them) with a pedal switch..... and yes guess what milage improved just a very tiny bit !! the project burnt a big hole in my pocket... i guess you got a bigger hole,.. the point is .. there is something wrong with HHO and something must be done...
MrRapsahaybu 2 years ago
i was expecting that kind of answer from you !!! it's true i"ve registered only recently but it doesn't mean i'm new here , im not even smart imade my HHO a year and a half ago out of a whole sheet 4ft x 8ft of gauge 22 S.S. and 4ft x 4 ft ,,, all cut into 4 inches by 4 inches ... where is it ? it's right here in the PHILIPPINES where DANIEL DINGEL lives !!! sorry for not posting a vid of my gadet , my gadget is housed in a fiberglass casing about the size of a truk battery,
MrRapsahaybu 2 years ago
hi there ZFF i see you've spent too much time , effort and money with the idea of HHO . Have you ever run a 4 cyl engine with that gas alone even just for idling speed ? it can't! i guess WE got it wrong .. HHO is a mixed gas - hydro and oxy ... stan and daniel used only hydrogen....i think this has to be reconfigured , we must extractract the H alone and discard the oxygen. ya know why ? have you tried burning hydrogen gas only? well it pops ! oxy only ? the fire glows !! figure it out guys
MrRapsahaybu 2 years ago
Really? Wow. You must be very smart. You've been a YouTube member for one whole week, watched 1,127 in that one week. You must be the expert. So, Mr. Einstein, where's yours?
ZeroFossilFuel 2 years ago
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cool video bro
ninjamatic5000 2 years ago
i hate to break it to you. but you forgot to advance the cable ties beyond the lettering on the side. meaning the top end of the plates have more separation than the bottom.
sorry to break it to you, but just in case you are getting odd results...you may want to re-glue this sucker again.
st1dinoh 3 years ago
as far as metals go there is one better than 316l it's something like 316lm or some other leter after the l. There's also a metal called iconel. It's a bit more expensive but better corrosion resistance. Or you could use the ultimate---Platinum---. Of course you may have to take a small loan against your house for it :))
buddah30 3 years ago
I actually have about 15 plates of Iconel about 2.5" x 5" given to me that never got wet. It's very brittle and I don't know how would attach current carrying wires to is safely.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Nice job, what brand of marine goop is that? also is it rated for over 200*?
3255959 3 years ago
It's goop brand marine adhesive. But I think I'm going back to 3M. Had much less foaming in the cell.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Something about electrolysis effect is that the one plate polarity gets eaten away, and usually gets deposited onto the other plate. And if you reverse the polarity, that it then reverses the effect.
So an idea for you.
To have your electronics use a relay which reverses polarity every so often with the famous dpdt reversing crossover switch wiring.
So if you reverse the polarity every few minutes, the leaching of the plate on the negative size should be greatly reduced in theory for long term.
MindTrip888 3 years ago
I've heard this elsewhere and it might make sense to release the deposits he gets on one side of the plates. I'm redesigning mine to fit behind my bumper in the front wheel well so I might put a heavy rated double pole double throw switch in to reverse the poles of the plates but not the relays and such obviously.
rhblakeman 3 years ago
Yeah thinking about it, the high currents with a the relay (while live) would cause an arcing. I used to use relays for experiments with Jacob's ladders, and zappers for home make electric fences etc. But if the circuit was designed to cut power, then do it, it could be part of the intergral system. Even part of the electronics using SCR type sets up. But there are probably better components. It's been many years since I have been electronics hobbist. I have many parts, but no room to play. lol.
MindTrip888 3 years ago
Tho initially, my idea about the reversing was about every hour. And if you doing it manual this should have a major effect.
I do wonder about these "neutral" plates and their use? For it would seem a smaller gap between plates would create several things. It would increase the capitance, increase the Capacitive Reactance Resistance to pulses, reduce the current, and increase the output of gases.
I will have to start some experiments when I make some room, being in 2 br flat, pc's take the room.
MindTrip888 3 years ago
It also destroys the conditioning of the plates.
EasyTBear 3 years ago
Thats a good point I guess.
I have been trying some aluminium tubes one within another, in 1 spoon of salt water, and I noticed one got shinier than the other.
So I reversed it to see how it went and of course the other got shiny too.
But I am only starting and experimenting to see what happens. I did find I got two lots of powdery substance at both ends of the tubes polarized, and eventually when left it sank to be two layers of this silt which looks salty & metalic. probably toxic.
MindTrip888 3 years ago
Salt in your water produces chlorine gas. Aluminum in KOH or NAOH produces hydrogen but the aluminum does not last long. Thats why people use stainless steel.
EasyTBear 3 years ago
What is the name of the better stainless steel plates that you have used? My husband and I were watching video's at midnight and can't remember what you said..
offgrid918 3 years ago
I see you found it already but I'll post it here anyway.
316L
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
what is the minimum thickness of acrylic i should use to build a box to hold solution and a cell? At the moment, i am not using a pwm. Any idea where to get acrylic on the west coast? I need 3, 12 x 12 sheets. None in my town. thanks
rredd47 3 years ago
I would not go less than 1/2"
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Good Idea the Saw....Thanks
dmtau 3 years ago
H2SO4 is used with distilled water b/c it doesn't goober up your electrodes (plates). Baking soda (NaHC03) conducts when the ions travel to the oppositely charged electrodes (i.e. Na+à negative electrode (anode)/HC03-àpositive electrode (cathode)). So you get sodium buildup on one electrode (not bad) and bicarbonate buildup on the other (which is bad, b/c bicarbonate is an isolator). Soon you won't have to worry about the current limiting resistor, it will be in your cell.
- a friend
Phillipscreates 3 years ago
Hi ZEROFOSSILFUEL
I really really thank you for the tip you gave abt the blade....u have solved my mistery. As for the MPG gain problem....Try using a MAP sensor....it helps a lot.
When I bought my car it did 13,5L/100km and now it does 12l/100km.....Ok,its only 1,5L, but I am happy it is SOMETHING. thats why I am working on a bigger electrolyzer for in my trunk.I also bought a 2ndhand slave battery for in my trunk so the master one won't kill performance.Slave charges itself through solar power
Shinta786 3 years ago
ow...and I also just bought a new plexi...cuz my 1st one was shattered...cuz of my n00b experience in cutting plexi...
REALLY REALLY thnx 4 the TIP
Shinta786 3 years ago
I can't beleive that your mpg test did so poorly...2 1/2 mpg gain? After all the work you put into this...you need more gas prduction or you did something wrong. U should be at min 50%....25% without an EFIE. I am not trying to critisize here, only to let you know of the average gains...
goturtlepoop 3 years ago
hi ZFF. I am planning on building one myself. will this work with diesel engine? thanks.
wry468 3 years ago
Work? Yes. Improve MPG? I'll let you know, just as soon as I get the results I'm after on a standard ICE.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Zero,
How do you cut your stainless steel?
jout8 3 years ago
Please read my FAQ
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
With M42 Plate and need to go slow speed.Or go to local Machine shop.
dmtau 3 years ago
Hey Z... In helping ya cut with that jig saw, take a piece of masking tape and put on both top and bottom, draw your line on the tape, and cut. Can see the line better, and also helps prevent chipping of the material.
Power To The People
Leftwings22 3 years ago
I think this will be review, but are you putting the plastic side plates there to block electrical leakage or to enhance flow of electrolyte through the plate array, or is it both? Does that aspect seem to be performing as expected?
hammaann 3 years ago
Nevermind. Found the info.
hammaann 3 years ago
Hello ZFF, I've been watching your videos and reading all the comments. Someone mentioned cutting grooves into the acrylic so I tried it in my wood shop. Hope I can contribute with my video.
Madera412
madera412 3 years ago
Good work madera, yes this is what I was taking about. I think this is what ZFF needs!
LeeHill66 3 years ago
How do you manage to remove those cable-stripes that you use to distance the plates?!
I cannot imagine that those like the electrolyte...
plupptarmtroll 3 years ago
They pull right out with needle nose pliers. The adhesive does not push in as deep as the cable ties sit. And, actually, nylon holds up very well in electrolyte.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Hi Guy, i watched a bunch of your videos, and you are a real smart guy,but can i suggest something...You know when you have all your zips in place you have perfect spacing.instead of messing with panels and glue why dont you just leave the ties in place and clamp plates tight with 3 bracket clamps you can make..put 1 in the middle and 1 on each end..I feel its a lot easier and the plates will never move.Also have you ever seen tube cells and how they are made.my friend built dozens that way
3255959 3 years ago
I am interested in the tube type. Where can I find out more about them?
hammaann 3 years ago
Instead of your metal rule, use a push pin cut off at the correct level then you don't have to worry about how deep you are pushing.
AposingChaos 3 years ago
Nice video editing with the build. Really helps with the watching of the video when you show your steps in fast motion. Some things don't require "real time" to get the idea. LOVE YOUR STUFF. GET WELL SOON.
sarcall1 3 years ago
That and talking like a chipmonk can be entertaining. ;-)
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Zff does the discoloration on the plates come off easily or is it ingrained deeply? Do you suppose changing polarity every other time it is used would help lift the deposits or just dirty up both sides???
december105 3 years ago
Wipes off easily and yes, reversing polatity causes it to flake off into solution then formation starts on the reverse side.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
Love my 24" table saw. saves alot of time and agony that comes with jigsaws.
YiuTeub 3 years ago
I'm actually looking around for a nice used little band saw.
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
my cell has been drying for a week..... Its all the better for it.
AudiMoney 3 years ago
Hi Zero, Why don't you look up colloidal gold/copper/zinc/silver. No need to suffer colds, like the lack of neccesity in continuing to drive a car at 25mpg, if you think outside the box. Get well soon, and thanks for the vid!
jesslessthemess 3 years ago
My well water has enough copper in it that I can electroplate with it. Not kidding!
ZeroFossilFuel 3 years ago
lol, fair enough! I did a whole bunch of reading this weekend on colloidal silver and you made me think of it with your sniffles. Get well soon.
jesslessthemess 3 years ago 2